Terminator: Garbage

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Terminator: Dark Fate is an awful film. It has no understanding of Sarah Connor's Character, and is pretty insulting to the Terminator franchise. Here's my review.
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[@baw5xc333]

I hate how Sarah Connor is acting all “been-there, done-that” like killing Terminators ain’t nothing but a thang... But in the original Terminator, Kyle Reese was afraid of them, and took them very seriously. And he came from the future where he routinely fought them off.

[@NANOTECHYT]

Exactly. This film is just about strong wahmen, without any regard to the franchise it's supposed to represent.

[@artwork8650]

VOLTEC No its not just about strong women. You had the women fighting along side Arnold. Enough. This movie is not woke like people think. You feel it is. But its actually not. The roles flipped because this film is about two realities! And Sara Conner developed more hatred for the Terminators. Her character stayed true. The SJW is not in this film. Even the border scenes were just situations of what the characters do if they were placed in this situation. They are running away from a Terminator. When Grace opened those cages it was not a political statement. It was a distraction so she could cover herself to protect Danny. Logically anyone would do that if your running away from a killer robot. Lastly you can't say this film is woke. Because they all supoorted second Admendment on the shooting range scene. When Armold says " Welcome to Texas." Lol so get a grip. I liked the movie. I can tell when things are SJW. This wasn't that. Also since Terminator 2. Sara and John always lived by the border. You actually had conservative ideas in this film if you pay attention.

[@hackerman7835]

Another thing: Edward Furlong (young John Connor) was taller and obviously stronger in T2 than Natalia Reyes (who's 5'1") is yet he was never portrayed as a match for the T-1000 and never attacked him, while SHE can apparently take on something even more advanced than the T-1k...

[@desertfox738]

baw5xc I hate when characters have that outlook, makes the bad guys seem like they’re not a threat in favor of making the wamen character look badass

[@Andy_Paris]

Good point, I saw the movie last night, I walked out disappointed.

[@AL-ud2is]

3 things in life are certain 1: Death 2: Taxes 3: A shit Terminator film evey few years

[@Anaverageguy41]

@marcus24000 1-2 are great 3 is dreadful Salvation is different Genisys was awful Dark fate is equally awful So basically 9/10 10/10 4/10 6/10 2/10 1/10

[@raysprad404]

1. You were never alive to dead 2. Taxes preserve the perverse natural state of inevitability 3. Societal homogeneity dictates societal decline 4. Once bereaved of totality does the composition achieve finality

[@maunud9495]

@marcus24000 realy? I realy liked this One, it was not perfect but I enjoyed it. Way better than 3-5.

[@jacobdavis6056]

And now we can add a shitty star wars movie every few years as well

[@AL-ud2is]

thanks for the likes everone :) probably a bit harsh though, T3 and salvation weren't terrible, IMO of course.

[@sc2_Nightmare]

"You can't use a pizza-cutter to eat soup and you can't use a spoon to cut pizza." Not with _that_ attitude.

[@theultimatereductionist7592]

ROFL!

[@sixstringedthing]

"When I get my hands on you, I'm gonna carve your heart out with a spoon". RIP Alan Rickman.

[@sev1120]

If you're persistent enough, you can cut anything with a spoon, and eat anything with a pizza cutter

[@jadeumVT]

I could easily cut a pizza with a spoon

[@sc2_Nightmare]

@@jadeumVT Now _that's_ the right attitude.

[@TARINunit9]

16:40 "But why me? I'm nothing?" Sarah's _only_ response should ever be "So was I."

[@TheSlammurai]

Which is still incorrect because Sarah was a certified badass.

[@TARINunit9]

@@TheSlammurai Yes, that was my point. She was just some waitress at the start of Terminator 1, and look at her by the end of Terminator 2

[@lucasoheyze4597]

an unemployed waitress.

[@Vindictator1972]

You forgot the single mother part.

[@noahkarpinski1824]

​@Vindictator1972 that just makes her more of a badass

[@pant104]

John Connor is alive and well because bad movies never happen.

[@ragael1024]

by the time this shit hit theaters, John Connor was capping some real terminators. you know, those that do not smile and seem friendly and do not raise all the alarms in you that the thing in front of you is NOT actually human or smth is definitely not ok with this dude. oh wait, he punched me in the chest and he pulled out smth. is that my heart? yup, i was right. totally intimidating. unlike the "Buenos dias" Terminator, with a charming smile to boot that would definitely win the Colgate Max Award.

[@douglasparkinson4123]

say it with me. "STAR WARS SEQUELS ARE NOT CANON" edit:i have no memory of creating this comment. i dont remember being this angry. the sequels are not as bad as they might have been

[@mrvoice3436]

If only that was how it worked

[@JosipMiller]

@Max Gubbins What sequel movies ? There was Terminator and Terminator 2. I do not remember anything else.

[@johngoldfield6602]

can this apply to bad games too? Last of us 2 does something like this and its the worst

[@1337fraggzb00N]

Terminator: kills target. Next task: get married, grow a beard and learn how to mix Margaritas. Yeah, that makes sense.

[@MalevolentSpirit234]

Terminator: Alcohol is ultimate poison of society. Spread alcoholism, mission will be successful. Customer: You okay there bud?

[@SmileThePlanet]

i get, why this seems to be a rediculous concept.. but actually it is not! it all boils down to the questsion.. WHAT IS AN A.I.?? if it is a real conscious intelligence, with 20 years time to evolve, it is very likeley, that it will develope some kind of personality. we have seen glimpses of it alreaady in "T2" i am programmer by myself, and i know, that we currently have nothing on earth, that comes even close to a real AI. Our software is only faking it, by executing pre-defined solutions to our requests.. a real AI, must be something, that works on its own.. having at least a vague solution for every situation/request (like a human has).. and the terminator movies are ABOUT AN A.I.

[@1337fraggzb00N]

@@SmileThePlanet well, you are right. It actually would make sense. After killing John, the Terminator was out of tasks, so it had two options: self destruction or looking for a new task. As it is against its programming to self-terminate, the most reasonable option would be to blend in and pretend to be a common citizen. "Hollywood AI" already passed the Turing-Test, but today's science is yet still far from it. What contradicts the whole thing in "Dark Fate" is, that the movie "Terminator 2" told us, that Terminators out in the field have restricted capability of learning, so it would not have been able to blend in. I see this as a flaw in the script.

[@SmileThePlanet]

@@1337fraggzb00N exactly right! lets not forget, that he was programmed to pretend to be human.. so he still had this task to execute

[@Urza26]

@@1337fraggzb00N It's possible that 'in the field' refers mainly to the future. Where Skynet needs to continuously reinforce this 'limited learning' restriction. Not sure how to explain it, but maybe there's some kind of signal from the main Skynet core that does this. And maybe Skynet removes this limited learning restriction itself from the models it sends back. After all, the terminator in the future needs only to avoid detection for a short while. But a terminator sent back in time needs to learn a whole lot more to avoid being detected.

[@kommissar.murphy]

Honestly a film where Carl builds a family life over thirty years and breaks into the interior design game using his terminator vision to give him the advantage would be absolutely fascinating.

[@tiaferrandino4881]

I'd watch that over this.

[@Mikescool444]

Carl was probably the best part, and the only thing that I actively watched for.

[@Vindictator1972]

Or even Pops and his construction company with both terminator vision and that CPU chip in his head.

[@trevorstevenson4038]

The terminators hanging out and interacting with normal people is my absolute favourite part of terminator films. I would watch the movie with your premise, I think it could actually be hilarious.

[@TheguyfromJurassicpark3]

"You can't use a spoon to cut pizza" You're just not trying hard enough

[@pentelegomenon1175]

next time I have to cut a pizza I'm using a spoon out of spite

[@madeliner1682]

Behold the power of the grapefruit spoon!

[@thereturnofdarthcaedus]

carl was not a good charecter arnie said terminator 4 sucked yeah right terminators 5 and dark fate were pure trashfre and garbage he should have been in 4 but said no

[@Spyrocrab]

“If you don’t appreciate women, you need to have sex” is one of the most backhandedly sexist things I think I’ve ever heard.

[@bonefetcherbrimley7740]

Its pretty bad. Its basically like. "Oh, you don't like women? Go fuck one and then you'll like them because one of a woman's best qualities is her pussy."

[@iamaunicorn1232]

It totally is but I also wonder if that retweet assumed Jay was an incel?

[@USMCasper]

Bonefetcher Brimley why are you assuming said person had sex with a female? I mean men can be women so? How is it sexist?

[@unlimitededge2689]

I’m glad I’m not the only one who thought this lmao

[@dioniscaraus6124]

@@iamaunicorn1232 Just like everyone that watched Joker apparently.

[@pentwend5738]

When Jimmy Kimmel asked Linda Hamilton what she thought of the movie she said: "it's ok"

[@IncPoint]

Even that is too good for this film

[@Doctor_Straing_Strange]

She is being too nice, it's garbage

[@Marquis-Sade]

Well thats nice, right?

[@deralbtraumritter8573]

She only said that because she was probably under contract not to make fun of it.

[@jet100a]

Anyone know the song at 27:54?

[@skynet0912]

For me, the biggest problem i had with the movie was actually something James Cameron said in an interview about Dark Fate, which infuriated me to no end when i watched it! In the interview, he mentions that he is tired of doing the "chosen one" stories, so he wanted to do somethign completely different with Dark Fate... This is a great idea, as John Connor being the chosen one and needing protection of some sort is getting old, but all he ended up doing with Dark Fate is to copple together a Frankensteins monster of reused plot from the first two movies, and trying to sell you on the idea that it's new. - It's no longer Skynet, it's Legion now. - The character who needs protection is not Sarah or John, but BOTH. - The terminator isn't a metalic skeleton or liquid metal, it's BOTH. - The leader isn't american anymore, but mexican. - The protector isn't a man, but a woman. - She isn't a robot, and she isn't human, she's BOTH. This would all be okay if they did something new with it all, but in the end, and i don't understand why no one told him this, Cameron ended up making what is possibly the most cliché chosen one story ever, while also somehow making the exact same movie as if Terminator 1 and 2 were 1 movie! I'm not even joking, Dark Fate is the EXACT same movie, just with different actors and settings

[@pun_dimen]

I came here looking for this comment! "Dark Fate" is essentialy T2 with T1 elements. I felt the same way with "Star Wars: The Force Awakens", which to me resembled "A New Hope" too much

[@The_Platinum_Realist]

The irony….

[@imonit4272]

“It’s the EXACT same movie, just with different actors and settings” and a horrible, nonsensical script.

[@skulkingshadow]

And it screwed everything the 2 movies established, it's not terminator its *eradicator* (that's what I'd like to believe)

[@ngchloe4877]

Thinking about an idea for an actual Terminator 3: What if John, rather than being the leader of a resistance group, was the leader of a group of terrorists. My thought process is that with how Sarah Conner was traumatized by her encounter with a Terminator, John went through a similar experience, and ended up being paranoid that something like the Terminators and skynet might happen again, leading him to be paranoid, and using his leadership skills to become a charismatic terrorist that wages war on tech corporations or something along those line. This leads to a company/government/thing, making a more weak dollar store terminator to hunt down John and take both him out, which would lead to his group falling apart, coming full circle and having John getting taken out by a Terminator an arguably good thing. This isn't a perfect idea, as I have to ignore the major fact that John had a good relationship with a single Terminator, which might affect my idea. It would also be controversial to kill John, which is a problem, but as long as it doesn't feel too forced, it can hopefully work with people

[@RyanTosh]

I love this idea!

[@Vindictator1972]

This, OR my idea I had of sending a Terminator back to say, mid 1800s or early 1900s or even earlier, the fuck are they going to do against a walking tank? Send the Terminator to a set point waaaay far back that you can take out their family line and any other resistance leaders and making sure the lines of those who created it are safe.

[@3nzo.568]

Yeah I chose my fate, I didn’t watch this film

[@victoriasiddiqui1105]

Too bad for you, because the movie was actually great.

[@victoriasiddiqui1105]

@@robertjohn6104 Well, I like it. Are you gonna cry again?

[@victoriasiddiqui1105]

@@robertjohn6104 Good

[@JackFrostIsHere]

@@victoriasiddiqui1105 "movie was great" ? It's because of dumbasses like you that Hollywood always fails to meet upto the expectations of the fans while staying true to the the pre sequels of the previous franchise films with pure logic. Your so-called "good film" is burning like wildfire all throughout the Internet, so better save your opinions to yourself in confidential

[@victoriasiddiqui1105]

@@JackFrostIsHere Relax

[@AgentMaryland]

“How does it feel to see all your favorite franchises go up in flames?” “It feels great.”

[@ArlanKels]

It's so easy to just tweak a few things to make this not a complete trainwreck. Even changing some lines to something else could be neat. Like instead of "I'll be back" they could've twisted it to "Stay here if you want to live", making it a play on the "come with me if you want to live" line and therein showing how Sarah is no longer the defensive, but the aggressive element.

[@James-lh3sn]

ArlanKels even using the “I’ll be back” line at a different point in the film could have work. Like “Sarah no! Don’t go on this really dangerous mission you’re going to die!” *puts on shades* “ don’t worry. I’ll be back.”

[@fmirza01]

Well now you know how transformers fans felt for 10 years

[@Sigismund697]

I'm enjoying my anger That's why the only possible entertainment I could find in RoS is for the movie to be insultingly bad

[@Shenaldrac]

@@fmirza01 Yup. Everyone laughs at fans of the franchise for being upset at shitty adaptations/sequels, telling them to not take it so seriously, "it's just a movie"... and then it happens to something they care about and they realize how crap it feels. I never even saw or really liked Transformers and I still thought the fans had a right to be upset.

[@FastCarsNoRules220]

If the movie was really called "Terminator: Garbage" then I think more people would appreciate the fact that it's being honest.

[@JhadeSagrav]

Scene opens on a dump truck backing up, beeping. A hand wearing a dirty glove roughly grabs a black bag in the foreground. Fade out. _"In the distant future..."_ A transgender Asian woman (they did guy, girl, white, brown, now they need to check off the next box on the virtue-signal bingo card) hops onto the back of the truck as it drives away. A sinister-looking person eyes her from the sidewalk. Eyes which suddenly begin to glow red. _"Garbage..."_ Gunshots and running and explosions! _"is..."_ Our Chosen Sanitation Expert holds a bazooka. Camera does that dolly-zoom trick. _"FATE."_ Fade to black. "Terminator: Garbage" fades in behind fog that we soon realize is the smell rising from a row of trash cans. and it would still be a better movie than Twilight, sorry, Terminator:DarkFate, probably.

[@erichenry4689]

The crazy part is the original two terminators showed women empowerment, sarah connor was the main character it was her journey, john would be nothing without her the main focus is of her development and how she ultimately saves the world.

[@JhadeSagrav]

Yeah and this one is INCREDIBLY TONE DEAF if it thinks that what Sarah took away from that whole experience was, "I'm not important, it's my womb..." 🙄🤦‍♀🤦‍♀🤦‍♀🤦‍♀

[@Jooglesberry]

I love that you can see someone leaving the theater after john connor gets shot

[@omegaentertainment01]

Yeah, that's great.

[@Nicholas_Chen_]

Feel bad for whoever paid to see this film.

[@ChaosoneX]

That would have been me walking the fuck out of the theater. I suspected something like this would happen when they mention we'd be getting Edward Furlong back in the role of John Connor, but the absolute stones on these folks and WTF I just laid eyes on... I was literally stunned. Took me a minute to stop this review so I can go process this level of brazen "FUCK YOU VIEWER."

[@ahardworker2154]

Am still in shock and now in anger

[@Jooglesberry]

A Hard Worker I honestly don't care. The story was over with T2.

[@PowerRedBullTypology]

Full terminator timeline explained *Start* 1. The terminator 2. Terminator 2 *The end*

[@AlbanianGoose]

I like the third and fourth, its hard to follow up the best terminator movie but i believe they have their place espically bc i love cristian bale in the fourth one

[@ATX-js1to]

P O W E R - R E D - B U L L salvation wasn’t bad

[@djkonkon101]

Terminator Genisys was awesome it happens between T1 an T2 following the events of what happens after T3 ends john tries to alter and change the future differently from the original time line and sends the t-800 to Sarah way before she was an adult to protect her a raise her....

[@Pumpkinhead77]

The Terminator. That's all for me. The final battle was in 1984.

[@PowerRedBullTypology]

@@Pumpkinhead77 What do you not like about T2?

[@jmace2424]

Gotta say it, Terminator 3 looks better and better with the passage of time.

[@skulkingshadow]

I think salvation is the best sequel to T2

[@MrKerag]

Sarah is not even just a person who shaped John..she is the key figure in preventing Judgement day. In both movies T1 and T2 she is the most important figure. In T:Garbage this character is just humiliated.

[@squee-g1658]

It would be hilarious if killing the fly caused a butterfly effect and ruined the future

[@mysterion3182]

Too bad it didn't set the timeline back to normal and John and Skynet were back.

[@brianchan8]

*fly effect

[@blockboygames5956]

Still a better storyline than Dark Fate

[@XvlerLorenzo]

Plot Twist: The fly was a Cybernet spy

[@noahwilliams8996]

It should have been a butterfly.

[@roughcutretrospect7235]

I met Ed Furlong a couple of months ago. i said "oh cool your gonna be in the new film" he looked at me and smirked "not for long" and laughed. The leader of the human resistance warned me about the future, my life is complete.

[@warrenrayledbetter9957]

I had heard that Edward Furlong was going to be in this movie. Then I wondered why he wasn't on the promo poster. After seeing the movie, now I know why. Talk about 15 seconds of fame.

[@DaftBrian1]

“Not ... Furlong”

[@SteffenSchuchardt1978]

I saw him on Startrek Renegades and he was great.

[@davidguymon1673]

Rough Cut RetroSpect, LMFAO!!!!! That’s great, or terrible depending on how you’re looking at it.

[@cristonsloan]

@@DaftBrian1 Ooh, brilliant catch there mate. Well done! :-)

[@robertreed4299]

“The rock” would be a perfect terminator

[@Datboichannel]

🤨

[@revadmc6507]

How to fix most of the movie with one change: John Conner lives and Skynet (or some new kind of machine threat) can't track him so it sends a terminator back in time to kill the person who saves John in the future, Dani.

[@tiaferrandino4881]

NOW THAT should've been the movie.

[@MilanousMedia]

But it still destroys the "choose your own fate theme"

[@treceslez]

@@MilanousMedia I mean, not necessarily. These are movies about time travel, and with time travel you can always come up with an explanation for why Terminators are still being sent to the past. It could be that the new terminators are being sent by the Skynet from the time before Sarah and John stopped Judgement Day because "time is a circle, not a flat line" or something like that. Or use the same reason used in Dark Fate to explain why a Terminator killed John: Skynet just sent a bunch of terminators to different points and times and they remained there even after Skynet was destroyed; you could say one or more of those terminatos had the mission to kill Dani, who (in the future that now will never happen) saved John from something, or taught him something that he would later use to fight against Skynet, idk, let's just say she had an important role in John's life. This way you have a reason to have John not be in the movie, they could just say he's hiding somewhere because there still are terminators going after him, and Sarah's out there hunting them down and that's how she end ups meeting Dani, and then you could go full circle having Sarah protecting a young naive girl in a more small scale low budget adventure like T1 was.

[@ryaquaza3offical]

“You’re not the threat, it’s your womb” - quality writing there guys

[@ThePortugueseAtheist]

Nobel Prize material.

[@xikungao2376]

We need to ban these dangerous assault wombs.

[@mystyk5896]

*you're = you are

[@milesrogers7402]

Certified hood Classic

[@wearywanderer7018]

“You aren’t important, it’s only the fact that you can reproduce that gives you value” “Oh my god. You DO have value! YOU (woman) are the hero, not some fucking John Conner (man)” Queue feminist points.

[@BlackStar-uy9fh]

"It can’t be bargained with. It can’t be reasoned with. It doesn’t feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead." Yup. The worst killer is the Hollywood Cash Machine (tm). It will never stop, until all lovely franchises are DEAD. Say hi to Alien and Predator on your way down..

[@madelaki]

Prometheus was a great movie, it just wasn't Alien. It was a separate movie set in the same universe, with expanded horizons. It introduced philosophical themes that you practically never see in american cinema, and the mood was set expertly, as one would expect from Scott. Realistically speaking, neither Alien nor T2 were likely to get sequels that were as good or better. That just doesn't happen often. Unlike what you see in other media, most movie franchises are one hit wonders. There are endless examples of great sequels in the realm of books or videogames, but in movies not so much. Sequels that basically recreate the original (e.g. T3, Genysis, Dark Fate) obviously fail to amaze the way the original did, since they're merely imitating something great years later. Meanwhile, sequels that try to take the franchise in new directions tend to be hated by the audience for daring to be any different from the original, regardless of the film's objective quality. It's a kneejerk psychological reaction from people but it's not inevitable, since you can do a good job of rehashing an old movie (or a bad job of trying to introduce new things). That's why T2 took off the way it did; despite being relatively similar to The Terminator, it was crafted so masterfully that nobody cared. And on the other side of that coin, while I thought Prometheus was a more than worthy successor to Alien (again, while being its own movie and not just a repeat of Alien), I hated Salvation. I thought it was a badly written movie full of plotholes and a terrible combination of drawn out boring scenes and overly spastic action scenes. I suggest you look up the videos that certain youtubers have done on Prometheus, especially regarding the original script. "Kroft talks about movies" has dozens of videos on the topic. That content should give you a clearer idea of what Prometheus really was. It's not an 'easy' movie. It's not nearly as accessible as the average blockbuster, and it certainly isn't without its flaws. I don't deny the flaws it does have. But a lot of the issues that mainstream youtubers have with it are actually total misconceptions. Several aspects of the movie went over most peoples' heads. Deliberate vagueness was misinterpreted as weak writing. It's not. The movie is just more philosophical compared to its peers.

[@rus0004]

And Star Wars... and Ghostbusters...and James Bond from what I hear.

[@Oakshield2]

Not just franchises. Even the so called "universes". The MCU has had its zenith, bunch of woke coming its way now to burn it to the ground. The Arrowverse has been on the woke train for a long time and this new Batwoman garbage might just be the last nail in the coffin.

[@-Ryu]

@@madelaki it was good, too bad it was teased as a FUCKING PREQUEL TO ALIEN.

[@-Ryu]

@@Oakshield2 i mean, at least video games are still good...

[@joshuaburdick176]

"I remember good films!" This is what I tell myself about all the **stuff** that has come out in the last like 5-10 years.

[@imtoddhowardandimadeskyrim6553]

@Simon Dann nah we got a lot of bangers in the 2000s

[@NealFowler]

If you really think no good movies have come out in the past 5-10 years, one: look outside of block busters, two: you may want to turn down the hyperbole.

[@imtoddhowardandimadeskyrim6553]

@@NealFowler people like to pretend that we haven't gotten anything good this decade everytime a bad film comes out (even though in almost every year, you can find at least 5 amazing movies)

[@totallynotaseaotter4946]

@@skarut1485 Black Panther was a run of the mill action movie.

[@dangerous1580]

@@skarut1485 don’t forget: the lego movie, spider-verse and lego Batman

[@MugenTJ]

If I’m Linda Hamilton, you couldn’t pay me anything to ruin such an iconic role. Go to show how Hollywood has little to no standard.

[@AmitCinematicUniverse]

Arnold Schwarzenegger in the first movie: I'll be back... Arnold Schwarzenegger in the latest movie: ouch my back!

[@69sakibkhan]

Please Arnold don't come back.

[@jet100a]

Anyone know the song at 27:54?

[@stephaniesnedden4849]

I'm wheezing

[@damienb99]

@@jet100a still waiting for the answer

[@jet100a]

@@damienb99 yep, I'll be forever sad :(

[@samarendra109]

James Cameron, the guy who criticized Marvel for making so many superhero movies. Proceeds to make Avatar and Terminator sequels.

[@TheAngryAsianAnimations]

He was also the guy who complained how Hicks and Newt were killed in a cheap way for Alien 3...before killing John Connor in an even cheaper way.

[@tommale7631]

I agree with terminator but he really needs to finish Avatar very soon. Also I think he didn't direct this movie

[@thetextbookgamer]

Tim Miller directed that

[@samarendra109]

@@thetextbookgamer And James Cameron produced that. That's what I meant by making new movies. Because he is funding it

[@retrogamelover2012]

You think he only funded them because it was in his contract? Because at this point, I wouldn't be surprised given the overall mess that Hollywood is.

[@THERATSANDTHERATS]

I love how none of these comments are about how Jay's way of introducing Grace is "She radiates top energy" and thats 100% true

[@davidjsaul]

A major thing that always irritated me about this film is that in the original Terminator, Kyle Reese is scared of the T800 and there's always that sense of suspense when they fight. In Dark Fate, however, they were so determined to push the "strong female hero" trope that Grace isn't in the least bit threatened by the Terminator at any point and in fact spends the entire film beating it into the ground, meaning there's absolutely no suspense whenever they fight because you know she's automatically going to win.

[@JhadeSagrav]

Yep. Almost like everyone in hollywood seems to have forgotten that IF YOUR CHARACTER IS INVINCIBLE, YOUR AUDIENCE CAN'T RELATE, AND WILL THEREFORE NOT CARE. It's basic story writing, what the heck?? Every single Marvel movie is so freaking boring to me because of this.

[@RoninOkami]

The irony is john is dead along with the rest of the series.

[@nicknevco215]

that works in that the future has fallen as he was it's savoir

[@mattjindrak]

The ironing *

[@spndusk2362]

Same thing happened to Alien in the 3rd and 4th film.

[@andreshernandez1180]

Dark Fate is just THE WORST Gillette ad I’ve EVER seen.

[@Chaogardenx]

wow you are so manly

[@andreshernandez1180]

Oscar Rubio thank you, wiener 🤣

[@osmosisjones4912]

@@andreshernandez1180 Terminator 2 actually talks about men says all men how to create is death. This one doesn't talk about men

[@andreshernandez1180]

Osmosis Jones is this your first time reading a joke? Do you not have those on your planet? And nice grammar btw 👍🏻

[@zoopdoop7804]

@@osmosisjones4912 - no, Sarah Connor says that, the movie as a whole does not.

[@Vidyut_Gore]

When I was young, Sarah Connor exiting the room she'd been held in was a scene that caught my imagination for a character setting off on a purposeful journey. It is the scene I associate with this franchise more than the terminator even.. I'm glad I haven't seen this film. I'm not quite ready for that hero to die just to get some "female hero", like making millions by beginning with billions.

[@JhadeSagrav]

_"Making millions by beginning with billions."_ This will now forever hereafter be the phrase i use to explain what hollywood is doing.

[@Ynffy]

I drink and I hunt Terminators. Tyrion Connor - Game of Terminators.

[@DicklessHipster]

"it's inconvenient for the story they want to tell" This is the ultimate problem with modern franchises. Terminator: Gotta kill John off so we can tell "our" story which is the same story but with someone else. Star Wars: Gotta kill Luke off so we can tell "our" story which is the same story but with someone else. Batwoman: Gotta get rid of Bruce so we can tell "our" story which is the same story but with someone else.

[@biggringus5499]

. Jason underrated comment.

[@antoniolee5457]

Who fuck is talking about Star wars and Batman

[@any1alive]

they areinsinuatign towards allt he new reboots that are happenign and cash grabbign with politics inside it, which dont have any ... heart written into the story

[@sldsnak4]

Antonio Lee fuck u

[@user-hw3jv3rx1b]

@@HOTD108_ Dude they totally killed lukes character who was supposed to be hopeful and relevant but ended being scared, negative and irrelevant

[@Geminilion100]

Sarah: A Terminator has just killed your whole family, what do you do? Danny: *Cries for 3 hours straight*

[@potatobug5136]

Reasonable.

[@Ionization2020]

lol looks like everyone watched the same torrent by the guy blocking the screen up when john connor dies

[@FirstNameLastName-xs9nx]

@@ryu411 bro what?

[@ryu411]

First Name Last Name Bro, learn to read and cogitate on a comment...

[@Geminilion100]

@@ryu411 I'm sorry? The point of the joke is because none of that happened. Immediately family died, and Danni was told to not mourne by Sarah, and . . . She did as she was told. The shooting scene has Sarah propose a scenario of Dan's family dying, you know, that thing that happened. In the movie, Danni uses that to make her angry, and shoot better. The joke here is that the obvious reaction of someone being reminded about their freshly dead immediate family is to cry your eyes out. Now I am explaining the joke. I do not understand why I had to do that.

[@Supermark420]

"Whoa, did you just cut a fly in half right out of the air? Not gonna lie, that was pretty awesome! Anyway, what was this bullshit about robots from the future?"

[@PainMonkey]

The other thing weird about Sarah not expecting anything special out of the new main character is she was a night clubbing waitress in the first movie. She knows this shit flips your world and your skill sets upside down. She just wanted to take unnecessary pot shots at the MECHANIC who couldn't possibly have any useful skills in the upcoming MACHINE WAR.

[@KigreTheViking]

Hollywood is like; "Women can be strong and tough... if they only have a short bowl haircut.

[@ishi3603]

wow.. imagine knowing badass women who only have bowl cuts lol loser

[@keirtanaka2929]

That's LITERALLY tha reason why Ann Lewis has short hair in RoboCop AND so we don't think of her as a potential love interest for Murphy which is actually regressive in each instant|

[@reansooney]

It’s supposed to be conventional for combat purposes. That’s why people in the army have to get their hair either shaved or cut shorter.

[@KigreTheViking]

@@reansooney Not all armies. In scandinavia females can keep their length as is, so it makes no difference to me. Either way, imo, that haircut style is rather, very ugly. Bald is better than that. Ugh.

[@sammygecko_]

@@reansooney well.. as long as you tie your hair up and can fit under your helmet. Also I thought I’ve seen women in the US military who had their hair back in buns.

[@sevenapollo6882]

The terminator-Awesome movie Terminator 2-Best one of all Terminator 3-Not as good as the first 2 but the best of the sequels after 2 Terminator salvation-interesting idea, terrible trailers Terminator genisys-interesting ideas, horrible execution Terminator dark fate-a giant slap in the face to any of the fans

[@rickyrackey7930]

The Terminator-Masterpiece Terminato 2-Masterpiece Terminator 3-Misunderstood Terminator Salvation-Underrated Terminator Genisys-Awful Terminator Dank fart- Succ my metal cocc

[@jasonfenton8250]

T1>T2

[@slevinchannel7589]

Hey, remember good films? ...Yeah, i remember good films. ...

[@equidistanthoneyjoy7600]

I reckon T2 is a great movie, but a terrible sequel. A big thing in T1 was that fate was inevitable, while it's the opposite in T2. T1 is essentially a horror movie, with a sci-fi monster that they can't really hurt; while T2 is an action movie with a secondary protagonist that can just about go toe-to-toe with the antagonist. There are also minor points, like how the liquid metal man shouldn't have been able to time travel since he has no skin. It feels more like a separate movie that was heavily inspired by T1, rather than an actual sequel.

[@Imperial_Dynamics]

i think Terminator 1 was better than Terminator 2. The original was a horror movie for adults. The sequel was a family movie.

[@danielkenny8790]

I actually brought this film when the DVD was first realized I thought the trailers looked cool and Terminator is a good film so I got it when the movie finished I immediately regretted buying the DVD due to how bad the movie was

[@wearywanderer7018]

They retconned the last three while making all of the major mistakes that they made. Fuckin brilliant. Also Sarah Conner, after remembering all the liquid terminators she killed with a shotgun.. heads down to finish off the liquid metal terminator with a shotgun. “It’s your womb” Aghhhhhhh stop it When Carl said he desired purpose I laughed uncontrollably

[@thereturnofdarthcaedus]

to me terminator ended with terminator 4 the one directed by mcg and terminator 3 2 and 1

[@realchiknuggets]

@@thereturnofdarthcaedus ^^^^^^^

[@thereturnofdarthcaedus]

i actually hated terminator dark fate no joke either

[@chrisyoung9550]

"I've got it! He'll grow a conscience and feel bad for killing John, then start a family, live in a log cabin where he enjoys watching football and drinking Corona, open a drapery business and call himself Carl! It can't fail!"

[@screaminghellion]

chris young *does another line of coke*

[@Minirow]

He's from the future. He knew to self isolate.

[@gstylez0107]

@Romano Coombs your comment is worth a googleplex likes..

[@chasm671]

"Caaaaaaarl... why did you kill these people, Carl?!" "Probably because I'm a dangerous cyborg assassin with a long history of violence. I don't understand how you keep forgetting that."

[@ryaquaza3offical]

RIP random fly they cut in half for no reason. Poor guy just trying to enjoy his short life near the bottom of the food chain, not get sliced to prove a point that makes no sense. RIP random fly. “He was murdered in cold blood but his heart was golden”

[@andrewmarch37]

F

[@p.bamygdala2139]

There will be a spin-off series about that fly.

[@thatonedudefromdiscord4348]

P. B Amygdala little did we know, but this fly is actually responsible for the creation of skynet. So by killing it, sky net is no more and the new enemy appears - legion

[@Doctor_Straing_Strange]

F. fly lives matter

[@Wtfukker]

@@p.bamygdala2139 Flyminator the green shate

[@TheSlammurai]

"We want this to be a new trilogy." "Well your trilogy has just been terminated before it had a chance to grow... just like John."

[@Fenris77]

Considering they allready had a semi-liquid terminator in the third movie - A fact that the fans of this misscarriage of a movie forgot fopr... "Reasons"...

[@ThatOneDudeWhoPostsStuff]

every new Terminator movie basically goes "ANY MOVIE AFTER 2 ISN'T CANON, THIS IS THE TRUE THIRD MOVIE NOW."

[@turtleanton6539]

Sad.

[@wizgi7201]

Its like they're creating alternate universes

[@adariusgibson8796]

Ironic that Terminator was originally inspired by Halloween.... which already had the same problem years ago.

[@curtissmith6078]

If I'm to have a T3 I'd prefer it to be multiple choice...

[@jblue1622]

That one dude who posted stuff Hope they keep going because this still ain’t the third one, just a knockoff

[@theob1455]

I’m calling it now. The next terminator film will have “the strongest terminator ever made”

[@dioniscaraus6124]

And it will be a gay woman realistically. Marketing at its finest.

[@silverwheelchairiot6525]

Yea I can't wait for Terminator 3

[@therosejoker3685]

@@dioniscaraus6124 not just a gay woman, but a black one too

[@jamesbragg7080]

The next Terminator will be Trans...LOL

[@Satin.B]

Don't forget it will also be disabled but has a deadly wheel chair that shoots fire out of it wheels.

[@anasb.8647]

@8:15 they wanted to stress out that the border patrol didn't search her, the white character, very thouroughly, but they searched the mexican girl, it's incredibly on the nose XD

[@StefunnyStrange]

I think you underestimate how many people watch your videos who have not seen these movies. Ive only seen the first when I was really young and still find videos like this entertaining. I like reviews of bad movies that I haven't seen and I don't think I'm alone.

[@JhadeSagrav]

Also never watched it! I watched his review of, uhm, one of the star wars things. the last movie i think, and fully enjoyed the review without ever having to suffer through the actual movie.

[@Zeddyboi86]

"Choose your fate" Movie kills John Connor *So you have chosen death*

[@dienekes6420]

M8 I almost chocked on my coffee xD

[@theodoresherman5707]

I stil don't understand the need for Grace's metabolism to be ultra-high? Like she's a cyborg. Wouldn't the entire reason for her having a power source be so that her augmentations wouldn't fry her metabolic system?

[@thekornreeper]

Exactly

[@TheDirtysouthfan]

It’s to give her a vulnerability while being still able to convincingly fight the Rev 9. If she was just keeping up with it all the time without any drawback then there wouldn’t be much tension.

[@enumaelish9193]

@@TheDirtysouthfan Was there really any tension when the first time she comes across the Rev 9 she kicks its ass in the most cartoonish fashion?

[@slevinchannel7589]

Hey, remember good films? ...Yeah, i remember good films.

[@Anderson-dx6wb]

@@TheDirtysouthfan It doesn't work because every time she clash with him, she easily beat his ass. This doesn't add any tension.

[@jonwat3666]

okay so doesn't killing john set off a massive paradox? like he was the one who sent that guy back in time to sleep with his mom conceiving him right?

[@johnlockhart7751]

Yep they just cancelled the first 2 movies.

[@darwenlister1639]

"That was awful, I'm gonna put that in." This energy is exactly why I love your content

[@ericsantucci6934]

Salvation is definitely the best sequel post-T2. The movie is pretty average, but at least it isn't complete trash unlike the others. It at least did something new and focused on the future war, and wasn't hell-bent on retconning all the good Terminator story arcs via time travel.

[@mqfii8992]

Amen, brother.

[@drangelice]

It was also brilliant finally seeing adult John Connor after having him hyped up so much.

[@applehack97]

is that the one with Christian Bale as John?

[@Nugnugnug]

@@applehack97 yep.

[@buttpiratesbuttpirate5913]

I remember the action of that movie, and the twist in the middle is honestly sick

[@stevensproject5653]

“Why did they kill John Connor?” Answer: W A M E N

[@ziggyhfx8202]

See? This is the exact kind of comment I was talking about the other day. We've had years of John Conner. If you can't see we need women then you should get laid. Some people are complete fucking idiots. Apparently I need to clarify I was jokingly quoting the tweet at 18:35

[@lindada4495]

Feminism

[@andreshernandez1180]

Gamer Suite you seem very stupid

[@andreshernandez1180]

FL STUDIO they killed him because he was a white male so they went with the exact opposite, no other purpose than to replace men with women for the sake of doing it, the truth is they can’t come up with something original so they steal.

[@mapuangames5847]

@@andreshernandez1180 most main heroes are white males BY FAR lmao stop reaching with this white victim nonsense, you right wing beta

[@EnzoZambrotti]

I swear I lost it when they they presented Legion and I just kept saying “really? That’s what you substitute Skynet for?” For the remainder of the movie. I couldn’t take any of this seriously after that.

[@Ramsey276one]

Rev9=REVENANT XD

[@Rclarke115]

Terminator Franchise: **already dead** The studio: shoot it one more time just to make sure. The results:

[@jackagjonraw4274]

I really would have loved if this movie was about a future evil AI sending a terminator back to protect its creator (the mexican girl), the human resistance sending Grace back to kill that same creator, and Sarah Connor trying to figure out how to handle the resulting moral dilemma.

[@leonoraekaterina5838]

jack agjonraw fuck that would have been hella dope

[@toxic_shr00m]

Would've been infinitely more interesting. Just cut out John Connor dying (since he wouldn't be relevant to this specific story) and it's a solid movie.

[@superheriber27]

I KNOW RIGHT

[@Operator214MerchantMarine]

more like t- 1000 is send back to protect dyson., and skynet is on the defence and securing judgement day on time and exactly happening full circle. Sarah and john try to resolve the dilema of killing dyson and dyson in the end gets motivated in finishing skynet program because of the failed murder attempt. script writers should have though of this and not we have deep fake to reimage t-2

[@lochnessmonster2277]

@@Operator214MerchantMarine or maybe John Connor and Sarah travel to the future

[@kyzendelaguia1063]

Riddle me this: why did they kill John and not have him grow up as a normal man and has a daughter in Mexico (Dani) and since she is younger she is to become the savior of mankind. Since John would know how to deal with terminators and being Dani's father he is her protector throughout the movie from REV-9 (not Grace)?

[@halezy9681]

As good as your story would be they couldn't do that because John would have had to impregnate a woman. You'd have millions of little sperm Conners swimming through an apocalyptic environment, battling each other to reach the egg in time before its kicked out of it's accomodation and dies. The egg, which just sits there as a passive damsel in distress participant of fertilisation wouldn't convey the message this film is trying to give the audience. lol

[@kyzendelaguia1063]

@@halezy9681 sorry wut?

[@PARAN0IDxGERBIL]

Yeah you guys joke but the answer literally is that white males are no longer allowed to be good guys.

[@jjj87484]

@@PARAN0IDxGERBIL I disagree. They're just terrible writers trying to make a quick easy buck and didn't care to think that far ahead. But obviously their political beliefs drove the narrative of this film. They are also horrible writers. Did I mention that already?

[@craigstobbs9215]

Pretty much because there looking for a strong female character....nah just they wanted to wreck one of the besr characters in a film....i.e sarah connor

[@shayolinparker2934]

"It seems like the Terminator franchise has terminated itself" is what I thought the pun at the end was going to be. No, I haven't seen any of the films

[@hellothepixel1107]

From a storytelling standpoint criticizing that a female characters' only role in a story is to be a damsel in distress and to give birth to a more canonically significant male character should not be a bad thing... However I feel Terminator 2 did a good job of using Sarah to her fullest. She's not a plot device, she's a full character with agency and motivations and action sequences in which she's an active participant. And lampshading hurtful/cliched tropes is not inherently bad, but when the previous movie did such an effort to avoid those tropes, to lampshade them all the same feels less like an honest critique and more like a superficial observation that ignores how progressive the previous one might've been. If instead the plot of the movie was that a terminator killed Sarah but after her kid was born, showing how instrumental she was to the world being saved, or if it was the same but Dani though it was going to be her child but because she wasn't good with a gun but Sarah then decided to tutor her, or even if the movie didn't touch that subject at all and the reveal that Dani was the hero in the future wasn't a reveal at all. Hell at that point just make it a remake of the first one but with Grace and Dani being lesbians.

[@SgtAbramovich]

I hate it when the driving force in movies is "These scenes MUST happen, so lets make excuses for them" instead of "This story inherently creates good scenes"

[@zanemob1429]

Yep

[@ccateni28]

so... the last jedi in a nutshell...

[@TheSorrel]

@@ccateni28 For some reason I knew someone was gonna bring up TLJ here even though it doesn't make any sense at all.

[@carljohan9265]

That first example is literally every bad writer ever, and the most common source of plotholes.

[@laserblast92]

@@TheSorrel Go read some Star Wars books....

[@mdimascio]

When you see a key character get killed immediately the first thing in a sequel, the story and movie is going to suck. Think Aliens 3.

[@nurse425]

Or Mortal Kombat; Annihilation

[@Alpha-kt4yl]

And recently with The Last Of Us Part 2

[@geordischmidt]

You are absolutely right. They killed off Newt and that just killed the whole movie mood for me. Now, John buys it and I'm ready to flip the channel to a soccer game.

[@RizzImpostor]

Just like X-men 3

[@treasurecave431]

The last jedi

[@shmoola]

18:36 So you admit of hating whamen way before the Doctor video

[@osblarg]

you technically can cut a pizza with a spoon, it'll just take longer

[@SorowFame]

And I’m sure with some effort you could eat soup with a pizza cutter. Probably wouldn’t be worth it but I think it’s technically possible.

[@rustledentity5511]

I liked Salvation because it was bold enough to actually depict the Future War. I think it got a bad rap for not having the iconic plasma rifles, and for the subplot with Marcus that distracted away from John a bit too much, but it was a step in the right direction. One or two more movies with Christian Bale would have closed the time loop and ended with John sending Kyle back in time -- like they were sitting on a golden formula and just gave up on it for no reason.

[@fv2977]

"the subplot with Marcus"? Don't you mean the movie's main plot?

[@ArlanKels]

The trailer showing the twist also kind of shat on the thing. That was one of those "The trailer ruined the movie" moments. Kind of.

[@shotgunmasterQL]

I always heard people say how shit Salvation was (around when the license game came out, I remember people saying Salvation was "the shitty Terminator"), but I saw it for the first time when it came on TV, and it honestly wasn't half bad. The color palette was sort of annoying, the super harsh "cool" vibes it was giving didn't really sit well/it felt like they were trying too much, and the whole idea behind Marcus was kind of goofy. But overall, I found it pretty entertaining, maybe more than T3.

[@ericsantucci6934]

@@shotgunmasterQL It feels like a masterpiece now, compared to the Terminator films we've gotten since then, lol

[@QueekHeadtaker]

the actor who played young Kyle Reese made me hate the film ao much that I really didn't want to finish it. I know he's dead now IRL, kinda fitting he got killed by a machine though.

[@BerserkerCade77]

They missed an opportunity to make Arnold a human character.. Say we find out that he was an important role in the war against the machines. Tech expert. Weapons expert. Whatever. But he’s an ally to John in the future war. John realized Skynet used his image to try and infiltrate his military bases. (Hence why they have the models mainly based off Arny). Since they changed the future (judgement day is happening later) the human Arnold doesn’t get involved in the war in this new timeline. They could use Arnold as a human character. Adds to the suspense because he could actually die. But no we get the genisys plot again except that genisys did the terminator storyline better somehow.... Edit: anyone ever see the first “Tremors” movie? Arnold should basically portray his character like the character Burt. Gun fanatic who’s eager to show us his military skills.

[@gracekim25]

Bruce Wayne you mean except

[@tyrannapusandfriends6254]

Bruce Wayne (when genisys is *somehow* better)

[@redholm]

That would be pretty good and smart. Which is why they are never going to do it.

[@azraeliusescanorius8349]

he is a human character, william candy.

[@stevenuez5941]

Bruce, you're on the wrong universe.

[@CassianStone]

Terminator 1: Time is set, we all play our role in the loop. Terminator 2: You can change the future. Terminator 3: Actually, you can only postpone it. Terminator 4: Ow, the edge. Terminator 5: The future can be changed, but also there are loops which have to happen? But also Skynet is not actually stopped. Terminator 6: Actually, the future WAS changed, but that only means that everything happens with different names and people doing the exact same thing. This is quite a mess.

[@theultimatereductionist7592]

9:10 "after they rob a pharmacy so the rest of the story can be unaffected by it." LOL!!

[@AndrewAce.]

*Summary:* _This movie doesn't need to exist..._

[@andryuu_2000]

Like anything made after T2

[@pancakeswithktkaty7784]

A few things might happen. 1. This is it... Terminators over, this killed the the series 2. Another Reboot will happen retconning this movie, and will probably suck too. 3. Something *worse*

[@t4rv0r60]

@@andryuu_2000 at least salvation tried something different

[@AndrewAce.]

@Cian Abroad I've seen many modern-day reboots/continuations that pick up stories that ended perfectly, destroy the happiness and achievements of the old characters, and leave them, the world, and the story in a worse place than where they were found. Those sorts of stories are the epitome of things that have no purpose in existing...

[@kerbe3]

According to the game Terminator: Resistance. It doesn't. At the end of the game three terminators have been sent to the past, the T-800 sent to kill Sera, the T-1000 sent to kill John, and a third terminator to kill your character.

[@MegaJetJaguar]

T-800 *After Watching "Dark Fate": "I know now why you cry." xD

[@LATEXXJUGGERNUT]

Duuugghhhh Nuuuhhh Nuuuhhhh... nnnnnnuh nnnnnuhh nnnuuuuuuh.... sad terminator music continues playing

[@chimpdongs]

"Its something I can never do" Make a good terminator sequel? "yes"

[@MegaJetJaguar]

Hahahaaaah!

[@ahmedwisimulaha7525]

or - selfdestructionsequenceinitiated... faster!

[@xxxirritation5816]

*Ecks dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee*

[@HontasFarmer80]

21:05 This is the least objectionable thing. This is Terminator doing a riff on Draon Ball Z which did a whole arc ripped off of Terminator. The blonde female cyborg could probably kick a super Saiyajin and break his arm.

[@imonit4272]

Modern movie execs: “Don’t think, just consume product and get excited for next product.” - RLM

[@bennywarren9870]

I like how every time a female-led movie comes out. They pretend like there were no other famous female action Stars prior to the last 5 years

[@walter3306]

I dont no does termsntior have frie teuck?

[@medexamtoolsdotcom]

Even though it stars Linda Hamilton in the first place.

[@thatguy22441]

Dark fate was just feminist horseshit. Because Hollywood hasn't learned that being "woke" is not profitable.

[@SynthVoice]

@@thatguy22441 Movie: We have to female main characters, one of which is a returning Character who is a fan favorite. Retarded anti-sjws: *autistic screeching*

[@spacemarinechaplain9367]

Possibly Cake-Tier Debater Don’t forget “and then proceeds to make a god-awful movie involving said main characters and fan favorite.”

[@MarcAlcatraz]

*Arnold T-800 after killing a child:* "i wonder if there are any good schools in the area for my kids."

[@supereldinho]

And he just somehow grew a conscience even though Terminator 2 explicitly stated that you need to reset his CPU which Skynet locked so he wouldn't think too much for himself. This movie was beyond terrible.

[@dimastrength.studio]

I read this woth arnie voice in my mind.

[@Shad094]

They should have just let him call himself "Gunther".

[@Garrysullivanjones]

d 2306 Gunther movie is epic compared to dark pate

[@sanjuro1180]

Arnold Schwarzenegger in the first movie: I'll be back... Arnold Schwarzenegger in the latest movie: ouch my back! Fans after the last movie: please never come back!

[@batnacks]

It annoys me that from what you’ve said, When Sarah told Danny she wasn’t special Grace knew that this wasn’t the case but didn’t argue with Sarah about it

[@yourgamergirlfriend4176]

"Just in case you're not a Terminator fan bit are watching this anyway." *Starts sweating*

[@Maxgamer-fd7hv]

I have never even seen a terminator movie XD

[@normang3668]

@@Maxgamer-fd7hv Watch one and two, they're great. Every movie after that is a shameless cash grab, and should be avoided.

[@crow9836]

bit

[@peterl6095]

T3 WAS THE BEST TERMINATOR OUT OF ALL OF THEM. T1 IS A CLOSE 2ND AND T2 SUCKED ASS.

[@saquial]

You got me there! =D

[@auto_mata]

Seeing Sarah's emotional reaction to the end of the world in T2 juxtaposed with the description of her reaction in this film really highlights the insidious prevailing idea of making "strong characters" that ends up perverting even basic elements of human characterization. The model of a "strong character" ends up being this hollow and stilted idealized aesthetic that characters are forced into in a manner that degrades both them and the overall story. And it's so damn pervasive these days.

[@charmandyorton006]

Stilted dialogues and wooden characters pretending to sound human and failing miserably at it? It’s almost like they come from cynical corporate products pretending to be cinematic and failing miserably at it.

[@captainnermy5608]

Yeah, it sucks that every time a film wants to show a character as “strong” they default to “emotionless dick”.

[@Shenaldrac]

@Raul Garcia ThAt WhIcH dOeS nOt KiLl YoU...

[@EternalDensity]

@@charmandyorton006 The corporations were the real terminators all along!

[@rainyliquid5644]

I know what you mean. Writing a strong female character isn't hard... The first problem people have with it is they're a female character... When a character can be summed up with "they're a girl" or "they're a Mexican" or "they're the gay one" that isn't a character at all. When writing any type of "strong character" you should focus on their weakness and build up more of that throughout as they slowly overcome it. Sarah Conner in Terminator 2 was hell-bent on stopping the future to the point where she would commit a murder. But then when it came down to it she wasn't able to do it. This was a powerful moment in the show. Knowing that if you pull the trigger you could end the future but at the loss of yourself. Writing a character at all shouldn't be hard. No one should be perfect and flawless. You shouldn't make a "strong female character." You should make a "strong character" that is female.

[@dieyng]

We have a serious problem, between the studios and part of the public demanding films to have more female, diverse heroes, then regularly fucking up by making horrible characters in lame films, with terrible stories, cringy humour and in several cases either queefing on the legacy of the films they supposedly want to continue or shotgun blast them in the chest. And yes, there definitely are parts of fan bases for Star Wars, Marvel Comics, Ghostbusters and Terminator etc.. which are backwards oriented and have issues with changing their beloved franchise into something more in line with the times, cast and story wise, but it's just a part of the fanbase, not the majority. OTOH, when you create shitty films, that disrespect the previous, beloved films and have little redeeming qualities, people will hate them, not because those people have any problem with female leads or a more diverse cast, but because you make shitty films, which disrespect the franchises they are supposed to be part of. Personally it makes me angry, I have waited for a new good Terminator ever since T2, I have waited for a good new Predator film since Predator 2 (yeah, I happen to like that one, and I include the Predator franchise just to show that it really has nothing to do with genders or diversity, but simple with quality), and yet I get one piece of shit film after the other. I have screamed for a Black Widow film, ever since the first Avengers film, even before Captain Marvel was announced, but even I couldn't make myself think that Black Widow isn't one of the weakest Marvel films whatsoever. I wanted nothing more than Black Widow being one of the best films, but everything about it was meh. While I didn't think Force Awaken was anything special, I actually liked all three new main characters, but the filmmakers decided to make Poe into a moron, completely sideline Finn and completely ruin Rey by making her the mother of all Mary Sues. And yet when I complain about the quality of the films and the ridiculous amounts of weaknesses and flaws, I get lumped in with morons who hated Captain Marvel, because they didn't like a few comments Brie Larson made. Maybe think about the plot, the writing, the dialogue and the characters FIRST, so that you have a good film to be made, treat the franchise and the characters starring in the previous films with respect and watch how there miraculously will be no general rejection of it coming from the fan base. Films with female leads in action parts are successful, films with a diverse cast are successful, the prejudices of the fanbase aren't what lets films fail or be hated by the fans. That they are bad films, which disrespect what came before them, leads to that point.

[@hanshaperle6075]

I read an interview with the regisseur. He talks about he wanted to go away from the chosen one and removed Connor. Some sentences later he talks about this girl that is now the chosen one.......

[@loveone789]

John: Uncle Bob? T-800: Who the hell is Uncle Bob? *shoots John*

[@henrymartinez2117]

Im pissed at that intro but that definitely lightened the mood, thank you

[@moirakizito4828]

😂😂

[@zeNate]

@ur mom Yeah, legit the intro is just the T-800 casually strolling up to John and shooting him in the fucking chest, and that happened in the first 5 minutes

[@59spadesofalife52]

I'm happy it happened saved me from wasting my money and time on this film

[@henrymartinez2117]

@Steven Young yep, definitely looking forward to that. And also, seeing Tim Miller's response to his "decision making" for the film, just shows how much of a lazy writer he is. No wonder why he got fired from Deadpool 2

[@onnixcarmichele3911]

*”oh no... t i d d i e s”* lol Jay you’re the best

[@dusky5535]

*oh yes t i d d i e s

[@charmandyorton006]

Breasts aren’t a bad thing tho. Embracing them is a perfectly natural, healthy and normal thing to do... unlike combining politics with escapist entertainment.

[@stigmaoftherose]

And Jay claims he isnt gay...

[@charmandyorton006]

@squelette fainéants Okay, the fanservice was definitely bad, but the breasts themselves weren't the problem

[@Dgero]

Charmandy Orton *Embracing them*

[@gecttakhla4249]

They could of just said "oh hey, where's John Connor" "he moved out" And that would've taken about 10-15 seconds to say But no, kill the child that needed to be alive to stop judgment day in the first place

[@toxic_shr00m]

It would even make sense because it's not skynet in this movie, it's legion (which is still dumb)

[@ikoandreas5085]

John: 1 character / 4 actors T-800: 6 characters / 1 actor

[@SlipperyBream]

"We need more strong female leads because there have been none until now" ...Hmm, so Sarah Connor didnt exist in T2 then? Interesting.

[@spndusk2362]

Let's stop pretending that people were actually going to Terminator movies for her character. Case in point Dark Flop.

[@dan_hitchman007]

Nor Ellen Ripley. Hollywood only figured it out now. Not in the 80's because that would ruin their narrative.

[@aguyfromnothere]

Nor....checks notes...500 other strong female characters/heroes in movies.

[@Bhatt_Hole]

Did it really need that second sentence, spoon-feeding it to the readers?

[@Teatime7771]

Dan Hitchman Ripley and Sarah are not the only true strong fictional women. Xena, Buffy, Clarice Sterling, Dana Scully, Aeryn Sun, are other good examples.

[@HansHosenbund]

I'm confused. In Judgment Day, Sarah and John needed to reset the CPU of the T-800, in order to give him the ability to learn freely. And now another T-800 spends decades as a happy family man. Is that the reason why the film makers invented Legion? Because they couldn't work around Skynet blocking that damned switch?

[@fermentedcakes]

You are overthinking it. It's not supposed to make sense. This movie is made for idiots.

[@MatticusFinch1820]

Glad im not the only one who noticed this huge logic gap!

[@definitelyadarkangel9225]

@@fermentedcakesyou mean TraDiTiOnaL ReVieWeRs?

[@Rolf97]

This film: "Look at us! We are so diverse, we have a Mexican, and she's nice!! Also, border partol bad. PC points, please."

[@pyroAdapt]

When I was a kid I always felt that it was awkward that T2 was called judgement day when T3 is the film it actually happens in lol it would've been alot more fitting for T3 to have that as a sub title. But of course it was made a decade apart so that cant be helped.

[@Hamun002]

Sorry, I had an intrusive thought when you mentioned Sarah Conner telling Dani "a terminator just killed your whole family" and just imagined Dani breaking down and killing herself, ending the plot.

[@606danco]

You dont need to say sorry for that

[@ninjafrog6966]

Still a better storyline than dark fate

[@Mikescool444]

@@ninjafrog6966 would be interesting. A “John Connor” as the movie puts it that doesn’t want to live and instead kill themselves, causing skynet or whatever to win.

[@KingOfMadCows]

How did the new Terminator find John Connor? It's established that most pre-war records were destroyed, that's why the Terminator was randomly killing people named Sarah Connor in T1 and why the T-1000 had to look up police records to find John in T2. So how does the new Terminator find John? Sarah would have been smart enough to use fake names and live off the grid. There would have been no way for the Terminator to track John down.

[@TheTendermen]

Because plot contrivance

[@rainyliquid5644]

Oh well, it's simple. John Connor was in the way of the story since he is an action hero but this is a comedy movie. As such they couldn't have John or else the story wouldn't be funny and hilarious. Yes. I like to pretend that this movie was made as a comedy as a joke. Coping is far easier that way.

[@peposo7]

According to what you see on the 1st 5 minutes of the movie, Sarah thought it was over and there was no need to go off-the Grid. Now, if Skynet never appeared and Legion took its place...there might be records IF it was not destroyed. What I don't get is the idea of a T-800 appearing then. No Skynet, no T-800.

[@peposo7]

@marcus24000 Or probably at the moment Arnie went into the fire pit.

[@baw5xc333]

@@peposo7 Except that idea doesn't work because Sarah and John would be fugitives on the run, given the fact they just destroyed Cyberdyne and shot up a bunch of police, and Sarah escaped from a mental institution and was considered connected to the 1984 police killings. They successfully averted Skynet taking over, but they would never lead normal lives again.

[@Sephivoiceactor]

Side note: I loved Terminator Genesys. Fight me.

[@nthgth]

I did too, the first half anyway

[@johnmiller5679]

What I think is that after T-2 we needed Arnold to go bye bye. If Arnold had not become a household name after the original Terminator the whole series would have been different. I can’t abuse T-2 but after that they should have forgotten about Terminators and focused on John Conner. They could have told us he was always the terminator of the title and Arnold and the other cyborgs were never the Terminator. That would have been so cool but no the makers of these films kept giving us the same film over and over again. Grow or die my friends and this series died years ago. For all the great T-2 gave us it was just the first film with better effects and more action. This new film is just the same film with the makers killing off some of the characters and given us new ones. The series moved laterally not at all forward.

[@the_criminal_mastermind]

T1: Amazing T2: The best of all T3: I'll take it T4: Ahhh now they listened T5: *Laughs* You serious? T6: Uhhhhhhhh noooooo just god awful

[@xandercat6948]

T3 wasnt all bad

[@cje2035]

I enjoyed T3. But yes, it should have went from T2 to T4.

[@Mintcar923]

T1-The sci fi GOAT T2-The heir apparent T3-Rehash of T2 albeit not quite as good T4-Now we’re back on track in progressing through the entire story T5-OK as a comedy T6-OK if you’re drunk PS Why go after John in ‘98 well after what they knew was judgement day was my #1 issue.. I’m good with keeping the first four canon if they find a way to patch it

[@thekornreeper]

Nothing after 2 was good.

[@errorcringyname4044]

Salvation was pretty good

[@pakos7763]

well, the franchise has been terminated.

[@Puki9117]

(Drum roll)

[@pickledrat4232]

@@Puki9117 do you mean rimshot?

[@aionicthunder]

*cue laugh track*

[@anicemahoganywoodtable7486]

(puts on sunglasses)

[@kacchan8272]

*Hasta la vista, baby*

[@adamkalb1]

Now I see a double meaning of Dark Fate, and I am not counting the joke everybody makes about it marking a Dark Fate for the Terminator franchise. 1. The very beginning is the dark fate for John Connor as he gets killed and Sarah cries over his sudden death. She succeeded in stopping Skynet, but has to deal with living without her son, the future savior of humanity. 2. What you said at the end really sums up this title. In Terminator: Dark Fate, we are all forked because even after Skynet is gone, Legion set an unfortunate precedent that any other evil Artificial Intelligence can take its place.

[@WillsonT011]

I will always defend Terminator Salvation😮 Yes, it's not perfect. Yes, some things could have been written better but it was doing what the other movies weren't, it was putting all the attention to John Connor becoming the true leader of the resistance. It was showing that even though John knew he was correct about the machines Rising, he still had people in higher rankings that didn't believe him and Dus him having to continue fighting to gain their trust and keep moving forward in his mission➡️ Again, not perfect but we were seeing his story continue to grow into the future that we have only been getting glimpses of💪 Now we only have movies where they just go back in time and just about repeat the same story over and over and over😔

[@immortalfrieza]

Really, they should've used Terminator Salvation as a jumping off point to tell a lot more stories post Judgement Day. The time traveling terminator storyline was played out by T3 at the latest, but there's a ton they could do with post Judgement Day stuff. And this is said by someone who loved Terminator Genesys and thought they should've continued that storyline.

[@WillsonT011]

@@immortalfrieza just continue the story with John being the future leader. If they want to, they can show us Reese going to the past and as he disappears, we continue following John and the rest of humanity fighting Skynet

[@immortalfrieza]

@@WillsonT011 I think Skynet had already lost when Reese got sent back though. What I would like to see is how a bunch of weak humans with guns and explosives managed to beat an entire machine army. Not even Terminator Resistance really made that look plausible.