Everything GREAT About Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse!

[@NickPiers]

"Hobie, you're not helping." "Good." I love that bit. It's two quick lines in a cacophony of lines during an intense moment, but it tells you exactly where Hobie stands on the situation.

[@mackielunkey2205]

Hobie being the one out of all the Spider-People to side with Miles really struck out to me for two reasons. 1) While the other Spider-People like Peter and Gwen served as more of a judging-enforcing type of superhero, Hobie’s more of the rebellious hero that empowers people to lead than calling himself a leader. 2) The original Hobie Brown started off as kind of a loser that was unsure of what he wanted to do and how to stand up for himself, and having his developed self guide somebody in a similar situation like Miles was perfect for the story.

[@SuperScarface83]

I was on the fence with whether I bought Hobie's "coolness." That line totally sold me on him.

[@kodykoolrocks]

that and the "there you go" lines went over my head when i first watched it but hobie was really looking out for miles. he didnt force his mindset on miles like miguel did but slowly hinted here and there, saying things that miles needed to hear. idek if miles heard him during that line but him being there supporting from the background was amazing and the "good" was icing on the cake. he didnt care for any of their approval and thats so badass

[@NickPiers]

@kodykoolrocks Yep. Even as Miles was being held in that force field, Hobie wasn't putting his hands up to calm him down. He was reminding him "use your whole hands" like he suggested when he first appeared. I didn't pick up on that the first time around.

[@positiivi_teme]

​@@kodykoolrockswhen Hobie said yes, Miles had turned around and watching/listening to Hobie. It's a really fast scene but shows how much Miles paying attention to Hobie. It's really amazing how much they can convey with so little what comes to Hobie. Definitely one of the best part of the movie.

[@jjbizzare96]

I love how Miles says "maybe in another universe" when talking about revealing his identity to his parents in the beginning of the film. Only to end up literally telling his mom from another dimension by the end of the film

[@Nulify-jc4fs]

That's actually such a cool detail. I didn't notice that before

[@30ratsstackedinatrenchcoat91]

Holy shit

[@brainloading5543]

That movie is beyond perfect.

[@Stelthily]

@@brainloading5543some would say it’s across perfect

[@jelly21_]

thats crazy i forgot about that

[@DatTruckinGuy]

Hobie’s mood is visible when he changes colors whenever he’s talking to someone. For example: when he talks to Miles, he turns pink to signify friendship towards him.

[@Nathi98]

Hobie's colour was always softer around Miles & darker around Miguel

[@scruffd0g193]

Hobie is like a big brother to miles and Gwen.

[@deepdirt]

@@scruffd0g193big bruvver innit

[@Muppetmonkee]

As a Brit, and a fan of punk, I think they absolutely nailed Hobie's character

[@itsdelon4004]

But he's smashing Gwen​@@scruffd0g193

[@StealthPants1]

i loved how when miles saw uncle aaron again, his first two instincts are A) fear because he's the prowler, and B) to hug him because he missed his uncle. it's such a sad but sweet moment

[@-_-Goku-_-Saiyan-_-]

It’s called a bittersweet moment isn’t it?

[@future1894]

@@-_-Goku-_-Saiyan-_- bittersweet is more like when the good feelings are past tense and there's a lingering feeling of sadness. A more accurate dictionary definition: pleasant but including or marked by elements of suffering or regret.

[@FallenOne669]

Okay, I have to bring this up because it blew my mind. In Mumbattan, Miles immediately gives distinct orders to the three other Spiders that apply to their skills. He sends Hobie and Gwen to slow down the building because they are the most experienced and powerful heroes there. Miles and Pav clear the civilians because Pav knows the city better than anyone and Miles' free-running skills work better with the tight, narrow buildings than web-swinging. And here is the part that blew my mind; This is a *direct* contrast to how *bad* of a leader Miguel is. He gives one general order to every Spider in the Society, which results in them not even knowing who to go after, clawing over each other and getting in their own way. Edit: Adding on to this, it shows how well each character can compartmentalize their personal problems; Miles has every selfish reason to show off in front of Gwen, especially with Hobie just showing up and being better than him in almost every way and clearly having a close relationship with the girl Miles is crushing on. But he sets that aside because, like all the best Spider-Heroes, Miles's first and greatest motivation is to help and protect people. But Miguel, while he may have more wide-reaching motivations, is so hyper-focused on keeping Miles from being Spider-Man that he sends everyone to stop him instead of dealing with Spot, who is *actually* causing the Anomalies.

[@ghostslayer1981]

Which, you gotta admit, is impressive on its own. Miles JUST met Hobie and Pavtir, yet he can get them to coordinate and safely rescue literally everyone. Hell, the only possible casualty if Miles hadn't been raised right and listened to Gwen when she stopped him would've been Chief Singe. Meanwhile, Miguels been running the Spider Society for who knows how long now? Ever since the initial collider? Thats been a little over a YEAR. AND HE STILL CAN'T GET A PROPER TEAM. The only time he probably gets it together is when he drops the society as a whole and sticks with Jess and Ben Riley. And even Ben got taken down by Gwen, no issue, leaving just Jess and him. He didn’teven take account Miles previous allies, Penni, Noir, Spiderham, and newest recruits Hobie and Pav. Despite Miguel saying Miles was a mistake, i choose to believe this is Miles story. This is hos canon event: being the new Spiderman and leading the team.

[@MynameisBrianZX]

He is leading them astray, which seems to be as good foreshadowing as we can get that his canon event theory has a major flaw

[@egg1645]

This is a perfectly implemented metaphor. I genuinely did not notice this when I saw it, but now that I know, it feels like it should have been so obvious.

[@loganu4664]

Whoa. That’s some perspective, man. Especially since he’d known Pav and Hobie for MAYBE 15 minutes at most, and he already could tell what their particular skill sets were? That’s a leader in the making right there.

[@bboyramen]

Cool detail

[@taowei4060]

Gwen's theme fits so well. The guitar riff is actually a sped up version of the the classic animated Spider-man theme.

[@ayjay.8176]

YES i was waiting for someone to say that, it adds a whole new layer of epic to the already perfect theme

[@beathecat6604]

I KNEW IT! Thank you for being the first one to say it!

[@guitaristwilllane]

came here to say this. thought something was peculiar about it during my first watch, saw a video on it to confirm

[@catstir2778]

Sped up? I thought it was the same notes as the original soiderman theme but in a different order?

[@interviolet6675]

*You* fit so well 😏

[@theillusionist1494]

The first words of Into the Spiderverse being “Let’s do this one last time” and Across being “Let’s do things differently this time” is such an incredible contrast right off the bat.

[@torazely]

Wonder what Beyond will start with. I'm going with something like "Let's do it right this time."

[@namishjain9238]

@@torazelynot even kidding i was about to type the exact same words

[@thespeedyyoshi]

@@torazely OOo and that with the Miles Prowler guys would be a great ironic twist on what "right" means ^^

[@torazely]

@@thespeedyyoshi oh, I hadn't even considered we'd open with Prowler Miles. That adds a whole new change to things.

[@tykinnamon9831]

Not to mention the last impactful line from Into the Spiderverse was Miles saying, "So I'm Spider-Man... and I'm not the only one. " Meanwhile, Across the Spiderverse begins with Gwen repeating the motif of "He was bitten by a radioactive spider... and he's not the only one." Genius level writing.

[@mjserrano32]

Hobie is a real one. He not only helped protagonist Miles with escaping, even when he was not supposed to, he even smiled when the protagonist Miles escaped.

[@TheAdvertisement]

Bro just call him Miles we all know you're talking about. 😭

[@eryalmario5299]

I love Hobie

[@mjserrano32]

@@TheAdvertisement this was 2 months ago dude I didn’t even know what I was doing

[@huricanethreeonesix]

@@mjserrano32 You don't even have to justify yourself bro, type how you wanna. This dude is just being pedantic.

[@mjserrano32]

@@huricanethreeonesix thanks

[@level5650]

I love how *menacing* Miles 42 is with absolutely no superpowers. His gadgets being so much higher-tech then Aaron’s, his incredible poker-face at seeing something as insane as himself from another world…He didn’t just stumble into into power like most Spider-Men do, you can tell he’s fought tooth and nail to get those skills. Fingers crossed he swipes one of Miguel’s Spider-serums in Beyond.

[@arty217]

That spider-serum idea for prowler miles would be so cool man

[@isaiahwilson4943]

A Spider-Man who gets his powers after already having a badass skillset and realized intellect? Plus the ability to be scary without his mask? He's gonna sweep that city clean in no time.

[@castleoffiction96]

So wait, is Prowler Miles looking for his own power or just to deal with the Sinister Six cartels?@@isaiahwilson4943

[@malum9478]

@@isaiahwilson4943 dude would easily be one of the strongest spiders in the multiverse

[@JadeTheProtogen1]

​@@malum9478 there would be two terrifying spider people then. Miles 42. And the spider man who is an assassin trained by wolverine to hold back no punches and deadpool to have a buddy to be the opposite of. Deadpool is making quips and being silly... assassin spider is more silent and serious. All happened after aunt may was killed.

[@jennyinutil2018]

My biggest takeaway from the movie is how by trying to stop Miles, they're essentially excluding him from being Spider-Man Because those events aren't "Spider-Man lets someone die" it's "Spider-Man *tries* to save someone and *fails* " But they're not even letting him try.

[@KwassaKwassa_]

Yeah cuz he doesn't deserve to

[@AegixDrakan]

OP has it right. The fact they're not even letting him try because he's an "anomaly" super sucks. Like, something my brother and I talked about after the movie was "Man, it's like miguel and most of the others forgot what being spider man is all about. It's trying to save everyone, even when you can't." By being so focused on "canon events" and letting people die, they're fully betraying what it means to be spider man.

[@elishawilson5342]

​@@KwassaKwassa_that doesn't even make sense Spider-Man tries period so what he's just supposed to let his pops die

[@lsebastian9086]

@@AegixDrakanA proper hero would try and not be forced to make a hard choice unless there are not really any other options. And well, if i see a hero start to be like someone who lets someone die on prupose without even making a movement to try to help...it makes me have second toughts.

[@seantaggart7382]

​@@AegixDrakanindeed And besides He already lost someone trying to protect them

[@MWSin1]

When Miles and Gwen are sitting upside down, she leans into him. Except they're upside down. She isn't leaning, she's pulling herself to him. She's making a deliberate effort to make a connection.

[@Chadifer784]

My OTP is so close to becoming true, hopefully Beyond the spiderverse fulfills it

[@Arander92]

I like the channel, but I feel like he's kind of in denial about how obvious the romance is here. Especially when he keeps saying Margo and Miles have "vibes" even though they've one infinitesimally brief conversation and she herself has less than 3 minutes of screentime. A lot of good people have subconscious bias about pairings like this (I won't go into why unless asked), but they would do well to take a step back and examine them.

[@EpiccGuy]

@@Arander92 i mean, there was an obvious vibe between margo and miles, your right tho

[@Arander92]

@@EpiccGuy Sure, but not enough of one to be of note. The jury’s out on if Margo even showed attraction to Miles, whereas with Gwen it’s beyond obvious

[@NotMe6044]

​@@Arander92She definitely has a connection as evidenced by her letting him go & joining the ITS crew at the end. Might only be a "dang this guy's on to something" connection, but I'm inclined to believe Gwen's intuition

[@brynt.miller]

I love Rio's speech about Miles never letting anyone tell him he doesn't belong, because pretty much the entire second half of the movie is Miguel telling Miles that he's an anomaly and doesn't belong.

[@milesirwin8124]

I also wonder if this is foreshadowing to Miles’ relationship with Miles 42. When Rio said always take care of that little boy (Miles) for her, and to not let anyone tell him he doesn’t belong, maybe Miles will do that for himself as well as his alternate self who was robbed of his fate to become a Spider-Man.

[@vintagememelord8168]

I missed that obvious detail the first time.

[@tcrpgfan]

@@vintagememelord8168 wait until you realize the whole spider society is effectively a cult.

[@TreyDZd]

Hope yall know this means miles's mom is gonna bite it next movie

[@KevSomi]

Nice catch.

[@TheDarthChief]

There's also the moment when Qwen's dad says he's quitting the force. She realizes that changes her canon, and if it can happen for her, it can happen for Miles. That's when she commits to helping Miles and why Miguel is wrong.

[@Nathi98]

Yes & here's the biggest stinger... The Sheriff dying event is called the "Sheriff Stacy event". Gwen's dad is literally Sheriff Stacy So this event changed as well

[@natashambulo3510]

I didn't notice

[@3DInnovations70]

And the colors change too

[@its_dey_mate]

Except isn't her canon loss Peter? Her dad didn't seem to be in danger.

[@IHateThisCommunity]

@@its_dey_mateThere are multiple canon losses, her Uncle Ben in this scenario is Peter, while her Captain would be her father.

[@terranbricklin]

Also can we just appreciate that the lego spiderverse was animated entirely by a 14 year old boy in Canada in his off hours after school? Because that's insane.

[@mintbrownieangelfish-6114]

bruh what

[@tomsmith2417]

@@mintbrownieangelfish-6114After seeing some of his animations online the creators asked him to make a short Lego animation for the movie

[@pinniethewooh1694]

WAIT REALLY?? Geez, the more you know

[@Nathi98]

You can tell by the Lego Spidey segment that this teenager is 1: A Lego enthousiast & 2: A Spiderman of sorts enthousiast (depending what he likes most of it)

[@WILLINGLYWILD]

That is one of the best things I’ve heard of

[@retromochi]

one of my favorite details that I see go unmentioned a lot is that in the scene where Miguel is in Miles' face calling him the original anomaly, Miles' glitching effects show him in the storebought spidey costume he used in the first movie, like he's back to being a kid in way over his head because Miguel is insinuating that he shouldve never been a spider person to begin with. gives me chills every time.

[@patfanrj]

Dude, this whole comment section is giving me a deeper appreciation of this movie. But THIS comment right here! It's a blink-and-you'll-miss-it detail that just adds so much more if you see it.

[@petercouchey]

Woah.. nice catch!!

[@GD_Epiflex3]

Also, Miguel says to Miles "you have to choose between saving one person, or saving the entire world," which corresponds to the first movie when Miles asks Peter how he is supposed to save the whole world. Peter replies with "you can't. You have to focus on saving one person."

[@chaoticquartet2649]

I'm surprised they didn't mention the fact that Miguel doesn't actually have the Spidey sense, he only has enhanced senses. That's why the DaVulture managed to catch him off guard. Which also means that he was paying attention to Mayday to be able to catch her as she fell. It's also why his lab is so dark, Miguel's eyes are sensitive to bright lights. Then again, you'd have to have read his comics to know this detail which I love that they kept in.

[@FirethornYT]

Yeah, sticking to things and Spidey-Sense are practically magic, so it couldn't be replicated, so he had the closest thing to that

[@nguyenxbj]

I haven't read any of the comics, so sorry in advance if this is a dumb question: Does Miguel not having Spidey sense imply that he's not supposed to be a Spider-Man, or are there Spider-Men who don't have the Spidey sense?

[@FirethornYT]

@@nguyenxbj Miguel is not a natural Spider-man. He didn't get it from a fancy stiper bite. He injects some kind of Spider Serum into himself. You can he it in the movie. It gives him most Spidey powers, but the wall climbing and Spidey-Sense are essentially magic, so he could only mimic wall climbing with claws and enhanced upper body strength, and Spidey-Sense with enhanced senses.

[@PsychicSiren7]

@@FirethornYT Actually, according to the Spider-Man 2099 comic run in 1992, Miguel actually got his powers via a genetic resequencer! He was protesting doing human experiments trying to replicate the original golden age Spider-Man and those types of powers, and they got a convict to undergo the testing, despite not being ready for human trials. After it went very, very wrong, Miguel tries to quit Alchemax, but his boss drugged his wine with a drug that permanently bonds to a person's DNA, and since the company he's trying to quit is the only supplier of said drug, he has to stay with them, or go through horrific withdrawal and die. So he chooses the third option of replacing a tiny bit of his DNA with spider DNA, in hopes of getting rid of the drug before it permanently bonds to his DNA. A jealous Co-worker sabotages him, and makes him 50% spider instead. And that's how he got like that. We don't actually know how many cues the movie took from the comics, but I'm guessing that the serum he injected himself with is something to neutralize his spider instincts, as he has those in the comics and it would make sense.

[@Novakain.]

@@nguyenxbj It also lends credence to the thematic idea that Miguel is a complete parallel to Miles in that he ALSO "[doesn't] belong" with the rest of the Spider-people. Miguel himself is ALSO an anomaly. That fact alone makes his entire sense of motivation skewed, adds more weight to the theory that he is a broken man completely wrong in his theory, and that he's potentially just trying to cope with the loss around him.

[@brianadoesart5195]

One thing that I have only seen a couple of people point out-- Miguel is straight up WRONG about Pavitr's dimension. What is happening in Pavitr's dimension is NOT the same as what happened to the universe where Miguel replaced his variant--- it's what the ORIGINAL Peter Parker from Miles's universe said would happen. A BLACK HOLE Opened up under Mumbattan. Chris Pine's version of Peter Parker says that during his fight with Green Goblin and Kingpin and Prowler. He warns them that if they use the collider it could open up a black hole underneath Brooklyn. THAT is what's happening to Pavitr, but Miguel is, like most of the audience for most of the movie, underestimating the Spot. He's too focused on Miles. He and the other Spideys aren't paying attention to the Spot and the damage he's doing. EVEN AS HE IS DOING IT. Spot is a massive threat and they're STILL underestimating him. It's a big thing and it's crazy to think about it.

[@irrlichtarchon]

Exactly! Thanks for pointing it out, I've spent so much time wondering why nobody ever mentions how the collider plays into the destruction of dimensions, even when they are talking about Miguel being wrong. I'm super curious on how the third movie will explain how Miguels fake-life dimension fell apart, since it wasnt a disruption of a canon event (Miles asked him what happens if you break canon, and Miguels response was "Do you wanna find out?" which means he doesnt know either), and how Miguel came to think canon events existed in such a thing as the Multiverse, where literally every version of reality exists. He's obviously trying to make sense of his trauma, and chooses spiderpeople with similiar stories. It's simple confirmation bias at this point (spiderperson shares this event with other spiderperson, when event happens, universe stays intact), but how did it start out?

[@SIMULACRA37]

So it's completely unrelated to the canon event. Crazy.

[@brianadoesart5195]

@@irrlichtarchon I like to imagine the canon event discussion started as like a round table therapy session, lol. miguel sitting with like 6 other spider-people, all drinking little coffees or teas, asking about things that have happened to all of them and they start noticing they all have extremely similar stories. probably not really what happened, but it makes me laugh to picture it.

[@gaskamp2]

@@irrlichtarchon IDIC: Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations. Everyone's forgetting that can mean that there's a Spiderman that never had the same problems. Isn't he also specifically looking for those same events?

[@theworldclown]

Oh god you're right. Spot used the collider caused the black hole in Pav's world, not Miles interfering Pav's canon event. Miguel's reason always rub me the wrong way but that point really proved that he is blinded by regrets.

[@carmillaplumsmaster8792]

Love how Wiles rolls the R in 'Morales'. Shows his mother influence since his father died.

[@theothersparrow]

Betcha HE didn't get a B in Spanish.

[@waffledonpancakes]

this is the first time i’ve heard someone call that specific character “wiles” and i love the idea of that

[@carmillaplumsmaster8792]

@@waffledonpancakes It's what the character designers called him (cause of Mario and Wario)

[@milesluna1040]

@@waffledonpancakesikr, i just call him 'milo'

[@lampoilropebombs0640]

Kilometres Immorales.

[@samwest9800]

Prowler Miles' dad died, so he spends more time with his mom and you can hear that he has more of a Puerto Rican accent because of it. It's such a small detail but they were so careful to include it. Absolutely amazing.

[@loganu4664]

Yeah! I noticed that 42 Miles rolls the r in "Morales" a lot more than 1610 Miles does. What a neat little detail! (i'm a nerd, so i love shit like this)

[@niklash5088]

That is absolutely crazy, and I never thought about it! In my country we have a synchro and even there he does that, which means it has to be intentional. But I never noticed 😮

[@stickiedmin6508]

Don't the two of them have different voice actors?

[@RisingJay]

@@stickiedmin6508 yeah!

[@anthonybaggott9825]

My favorite part of this movie, is Miles reaction to being betrayed. When he snapped Gwen’s web, I cheered. So often do MC’s let themselves be ran over by others, and don’t allow themselves to be mad, when literally any normal person should be.

[@bmo5852]

I hope he doesn't instantly forgive everyone for what happened. That would just instantly kill any emotional stakes

[@smaragdusjadeite]

​@@bmo5852 I agree with you! But my sappy self still wants everybody to make up, because we as the audience have the background while Miles doesn't. He doesn't know Gwen had the pressure of Miguel kicking her out of the Spider Society. She makes mistakes and poor judgement like anybody else. I hope Miles and Gwen can make up but in a realistic way. So far, though, these movies have done incredibly with real-feeling characters and expressing emotion so I'm not too worried.

[@dgmilloway]

​@@smaragdusjadeiteKnowing Lord & Miller, I think it's safe to say Miles & Gwen will reconcile, but it won't be easy for Gwen.

[@bmo5852]

@smaragdusjadeite while I also want them to be together, I think, considering all that has happened, the most realistic thing would be Miles and Gwen both agreeing to start fresh, no more secrets

[@mayo4900]

​@@bmo5852 in the end Miles will forgive Gwen and Peter and live happily ever after!!... surely...right?

[@EverTheFractal]

Hobie is my honestly the most I've enjoyed a side character in a long time. The finesse, the misdirection, the play up of "Im just here for a laff m8" to hide his true punk intentions. God, so good.

[@mecha-kicksmetro7655]

Not only is Hobie on 3s, but his guitar is on fours and his outline and colors are on different sequences! he's the most chaotic animated character ever!

[@YoelSchwarz]

Hobie's Hobie. He's gonna cool in everything from plot to character design to animation to dialog

[@VENOMOUSHORMONE]

He doesn’t believe in consistency ;)

[@loganu4664]

Holy crap, they probably spent six months of production on Hobie ALONE. That's so much detail to cram into one character!!!

[@dumbnoodleman]

@@loganu4664 I think it was like 3 years on him

[@loganu4664]

@@dumbnoodleman good lord

[@ghostgabe81]

I like the idea in the movie that there are things that only Spider-people can do or experience. Like how the lobby of the Spider Society is set up, but especially the scene with Miles and Gwen sitting upside down on that building. It's a moment they can share only because they're both Spider-people. It's also adds another layer to Gwen's "get over here" moment with her dad. Not only is it a show of affection, by pulling him over with the webs she's loving him in a way that *only Spider-Woman can do.* The first thing she does after he accepts her entirely is to love him with her entire self.

[@JamesJones-fk1mv]

Another thing to love about Miles' arc in this film is how he went from not wanting to stand out to having something to prove. Remember in the first film he didn't want to go to school at Brooklyn Visions Acadamy because he saw it as elitist, and wanted to be among his people. But once he accepted who he was/who he's meant to be he excelled himself, found his place in the world, and ended up wanting to join the "elite" Spider strike force team Gwen told him about.

[@mintbrownieangelfish-6114]

Ooo I like that take!

[@andrewbouse8968]

and the "elite" at Princeton University

[@Max_G4]

Fun Fact: There are two deleted scenes featuring the Spot. One was showing him at the start, going to the Bar With No Name (a bar where villains beaten by Spidey gather) and being laughed at by the other villains of the week. But then there would be a post-credit scene, where he walks inside and just wipes all of them from existence with one movement. Just to demonstrate how much of a threat he really is now.

[@johnlokey3267]

WHYD THEY REMOVE THESE

[@VetusDea]

Pacing, presumably. There isn't really anywhere to fit the first scene without disrupting the flow of the Spot's arc and the movie as a whole, which are already fine as they are - the seed of the Spot's insecurity and the need to prove himself have already been planted and fanned by the end of their first fight, and we can see them grow throughout the movie just fine without another scene dedicated to reinforcing them. The second scene would just undercut the ending - the solid ten minutes at the end dedicated to amping up a high-energy, edge-of-the-seat cliffhanger would just be undermined by ending it on a slower, more ominous sequence. That extra gravity isn't really necessary and would act as pebbles in the shoe of the already exceptionally tight pacing.

[@3DInnovations70]

Its like the villain pub in hishe

[@Max_G4]

@@johnlokey3267 Well, I think they were rather planned than really deleted, but yeah. And for the reason, what the other guy said, pacing an anticipation with the ending. Also the cost to make, rig and texture models of all of these villains and animate them even for a little bit was probably not deemed worth it. Maybe we can see it with the next one.

[@AlexaRobin21]

The bar with no name shows up in Insomniac Spider-Man 2.

[@calebfarmer331]

Surprised you didn't give a bunch of wins for Hobie subtly reminding Miles to use his palms when Miguel trapped him! Was one of my favorite little moments in the movie

[@christianwise637]

It was such a brilliant moment that somehow completely slipped my attention the first time I watched it, it wasn't until my second viewing that I picked up on it, this film is so brilliantly detailed, watching it multiple times is pretty much a necessity

[@STANKGOD-420]

Also when he talks about building a watch as he’s stealing the stuff to build a watch 😮

[@octoberlaylow9177]

I ESPECIALLY love hobie’s characterization in this movie because he is the EMBODIMENT of punk. he’s always looking out for miles and gwen and pav, and he’s strongly anti-government, not even to mention his sense of style. it’s really cool to see that type of punk representation portrayed accurately!!

[@HeisenbergFam]

Animators responsible for this really deserve a raise for stellar work

[@xingyru7746]

SVGEUJEYSHWGWHSFEBDJSTWGEBDHFNDBSGWYBSBSUDH

[@1wayroad935]

More like they didn't deserve what they went through to make this.

[@shadowldrago]

@@1wayroad935 Both?

[@Theenginerd8968]

Their work environment while working on this film was so bad, over 100 animators quit during its production. Those still working after that definitely need a raise, this is EASILY the best animated film anyone has put out. Not even the Incredibles are as good as this film and that film’s a classic

[@iangreer4585]

Like, to the point where before I had high respect for Lord and Miller, but now I dunno. That doesn't seem like something the same Lord and Miller who wrote The Lego Movie would do, and yet here we are where it seems they are covering it by just saying it was a hard movie to make and they are proud of the animators.

[@ZekromAndYugiAndDrago123]

Something I love is how during the entire chase scene, you're vibing so much you completely forget Miles can go invisible, but when things eventually do slow down, you remember just as the entire spider society comes crawling up the train, revealing WHY Miles didn't turn invisible once.

[@loganu4664]

Biiiiiiiiig braaaaaaaaain

[@Salty_Gacha_Gamer]

Love the fact that Spot has had his villian training arc. A superhero movie isn't a superhero movie without a great villain and the Spot is shaping up to be one and I'm all for it

[@twotruckslyrics]

spottttt ❤

[@madduxnagel6935]

Grew up with Maguire, some of the games, then Andrew and Tom later on, never knew The Spot existed. Never knew he was considered a joke. Aaaand… out of all the many iconic Spider-Man villains, after this movie… I think he’s become one of my favorites????

[@atotalfiasco4213]

It's set up so well, one of my favorite bits is when he and Miles are fighting in the collider at the beginning of the movie. He accidentally throws open some portals behind him, he looks back at them and then to his hand (like "Wait I can do that?"), and in the next cut he's throwing portals at Miles. He's so well done and I'm super excited to see how far he'll get to go in Beyond!

[@twotruckslyrics]

@K.C-2049 had to introduce him and his schemes, i guess :( cant wait for the spot lore 🙂

[@ImDemonAlchemist]

I know there's many scenes to cover, but I'm sad no highlight on "You call this art?" "We're talking about it aren't we". Such a baller response to that. One of the purposes of art is spark a conversation, and get you thinking. Modern art, whether or not you feel like it makes sense or has that level of intentionality, absolutely does that.

[@nguyenxbj]

When does this happen? I missed it completely.

[@ImDemonAlchemist]

@nguyenxbj It's during Gwen and the DaVulture's fight. If I remember correctly, it's right before she gets launched into the balloon animal. If I had more time right now, I'd pull up the movie to check.

[@TheRedMan77]

@@ImDemonAlchemist DaVulture is the best name I have ever heard.

[@pindagreat]

I love the moment where Gwen shoots the penguin toy out of her dad's hand, because it's a common rule for most Spider-People that Spider Sense can't be triggered by loved ones, even if they do have intent to hurt them, so Gwen reacted like that because she couldn't know what her dad was going to do

[@YoelSchwarz]

That makes SO much sense

[@caffeinatedpossum]

So then does that mean Miles didn't sense 42-Miles because of similar reasons? I blindly got to watch it today and even after the reveal of it being 42-Miles I was wondering why his spidey sense didn't go off

[@pindagreat]

@@caffeinatedpossumI hadn't actually noticed that. I do imagine that it happened for similar reasons

[@SpeedyCheetahCub]

Like how Tom Holland's Peter didn't notice the banana being thrown at him in Spider-Man: Far From Home because it was his Aunt May who threw it so his Spider Sense didn't go off.

[@YoelSchwarz]

@@SpeedyCheetahCub also it was just a banana

[@abbycaldwell3166]

I love how Spot's transition into increasingly chaotic line drawings is hinted through the rough construction lines that show over his white body all the way from the start. He's not fully rendered, not fully realized... yet.

[@Hoodie_HD]

There are also moments when Miguel doesn’t look fully rendered, either.

[@zii5397]

"Hobie : i don't believe in consistency" His character design or artstyle changes like all the time, because he's inconsistent. Really shows the difference in hobie from everyone and i really loved that they went with this idea for hobie.

[@GrizzneyGames]

I also love that he sees the irony in saying things like that when they talk about not liking labels while labeling himself.

[@ACAB-l2d]

A small detail that I love is that Prowler-Miles' accent is hispanic: we don't get our accents from our parents, but from our peers. The fact that P-Miles speaks with a hispanic accent, rather than the same one Spidey-Miles uses, means that his social circle is most likely confined to Rio. This further implies that he's not all that close with Uncle Aaron, who seems to take care of the Morales family, but, based off of Rio's interaction with him, seems to still command some fearful respect (as opposed to unconditional support / true family vibes). So, on Earth-42, P-Miles is this loner kid, who lost his father, hangs out primarily with his mother, and maybe does the occasional odd-job with/for his uncle. And now enter S-Miles, maybe a lil awkward, but defo extroverted enough to befriend P-Miles, after he breaks down his walls of distrust. I am very excited for the 3rd movie. (ofc, it could also just mean that P-Miles mainly hangs out with hispanic kids, but that seems a less interesting choice for this movie to make)

[@thisisabackupemail2264]

I just take it as the fact that his father's gone so the exposure to that accent (as you DO pick up accents and ways to pronounce or short-hand words from close bodies) is gone, and so he's more leaning into interactions with his mom. Leaning into the Hispanic part of himself, but could be another metaphor for how he's unbalanced, leaning on one half of his identity rather than balanced like how 'our' Miles is trying to be.

[@ACAB-l2d]

@@thisisabackupemail2264 yeah, but that's what I'm saying. As a small child we're influenced by our parents' speech, but by the time we're teens, our peers will have played a dominant role in the formation of our dialect for years already. So the only way P-Miles is still influenced by Rio's dialect is because apart from his missing father figure, he also lacks friends that would push his accent toward NY and away from hispanic.

[@SultanOfSwing22]

Definitely agree with this, I love this detail and I think you've hit the nail on the head as to the main reasons behind his accent. There's also the (potential) factor that Miles-42 probably doesn't miss his Spanish lessons at school like Miles-1610 does.

[@tonypeppermint5329]

So good.

[@malum9478]

for the record 42 miles is named "Miles G. Morales" kinda like "Peter B. Parker"

[@TRPLD]

The story behind that Lego scene is bananas. It was made by a 14 year old animator after he recreated the trailer for the movie in Lego animation in one month. After school... On his own... The directors saw it and hired him for the scene.

[@ellieddavis2503]

KUDOS TO HIM

[@aster7394]

My fav part of hobie is that his "use your palms" moment is brought back when miles gets interventioned in the cyber jail thing cus you can see him hold up his hand and point at the palms to help him out, love him so much

[@theothersparrow]

Hobie might be Miles's biggest fan and it's just the best.

[@Kaisona2017]

He even whispers, “Hey Peter Pan. Palms.”

[@mauz791]

That legend is extremely important, the first person who wanted to break the status quo.

[@loganu4664]

And he wiggles his fingers too to draw attention to it. SO MANY DETAILS

[@lukeharrison911]

Also love how if you go back to Spiderverse one, when Miles first has his Spidey sense reaction to peter, his colour paletter actually swaps from Prowler colours to the classic Spidey colours, as an almost showing that his "fate was changed" by meeting peter Parker. A nice 2nd film payoff for that teaser!

[@Kaluga2]

Not only that, but when 1610 Miles first goes to Earth-42, the two most prominent colors in that universe are purple and green. Those exact colors are around Miles before Peter realigns Miles' spider-sense.

[@blindfire3167]

I watched the movie having seen all the articles pop up "A 14 year old made this shot!" and I was actually looking out for it while watching....I honestly didn't think any shot in the movie could be made by a 14 year old, it was crazy how detailed he made the Legos in Blender. Hopefully that starts his career as a VFX/CGI artist

[@berengustav7714]

"We will be watching your career with great intrest."

[@blindfire3167]

@@berengustav7714 For real lmfao

[@onilink134]

Having even a single scene in a critically acclaimed animation movie with his name on it at 14 years old. That's going to look damn good on his resume.

[@rogueguardian]

That kid is going places, seriously such a good scene despite being short.

[@LunaBeth97]

That was made in blender?! Genuinely thought it was like stop motion. Absolutely mad skills there!

[@backpax532]

I think this is one of first time you’ve missed my personal favorite moment. The moment when spot actualizes, is perfection. The way his body seeps darkness and glitches. The music takes this alien tone, and the entire frame bleeds with this black pigment, making it seem like the spots presence alone is cause the universe to break apart and decay around him. One of my favorite comic book villains ever.

[@ManforSomeMarkets]

Bonus points on his parallel pose to the Great Expectations mural at the end of the movie

[@MythicRanger2401]

3 months late, but I've gotta add. The alien music in that scene. The best way I've seen the Spot's theme described is "the multiverse crying out in pain".

[@anitralarae_mahjacat]

Pure Bill Sienkiewicz 🖤

[@aytch000]

@@MythicRanger2401 That's a really good way to describe Spot's terrifying theme. :)

[@iantophernicus6042]

It didn't get a mention, but I love that once Miles has that sinking feeling of being in the wrong universe and freezing at the sight of Uncle Aaron, the movie gives us that tiny moment of comfort between them. Rio and Aaron know he's not their Miles, commenting on his hair being different, but even Aaron allows Miles to give him a hug, unknowingly reminding Miles of who he lost and why he needs to keep fighting. Sure, Aaron doesn't know what he has given this alternate Miles and he will be leading him back to Prowler Miles to enact their nefarious amd nebulous shenanigans onto him, but I still find beauty in that little moment where Miles can just melt back into a hug with Aaron, however short lived that comfort may be.

[@justinpullen1097]

I actually think Rio didn't know, and Aaron didn't know until they got to the roof. It's subtle but you can see him looking down at his lit up phone and then give 1610 Miles a suspicious look, meaning his Miles just messaged him.

[@puundit5339]

They don’t actually know it’s the wrong miles. Aaron was definitely suspicious and then it was confirmed when he texted his Miles

[@the_competent_gamer9454]

10:12 - I absolutely love the detail that although Ganke isn't moving his fingers on the remote, the Spider-Man gameplay on the TV is still moving. Normally, this would make you ask "Well how is Ganke playing the game without touching the remote buttons"? But if you pay attention, Ganke presses R2 on the PS4 controller, which is the same key input for shooting webs in the game, at the same time that Miles shoots webs to grab his jordans He's controlling Miles 😅

[@carterdelaney4648]

Wow, that's such a cool detail

[@Phantom-dh2vq]

it's R1. R2 is for webswinging, R1 is for shooting webs in combat.

[@MrDARKJAK]

Such an insane detail, good catch

[@ryanperez1999]

This movie has to be shown in film and animation schools. To show how you write a story and how to use art to tell a story. From the jaw dropping animation, dope screenplay to the amazing music, it's so far the best movie of this year and one of the greatest movies of all time. Stan Lee and Steve Ditko will be proud. I'm still bummed that didn't make a billion dollars. Also, this is the best commentary on the movie.

[@iffy4509]

You should watch the original Across the spiderverse crams way too much comedy into it The story is predictable to a point & they tell you twists to YOUR face If you really want that perfect film for musicians, animators & VA's to learn from into the spiderverse stands heads & shoulders above this film in everyway

[@The_Jazziest_Coffee]

@@iffy4509 i don't know man, that's a rough opinion it is true that across the spiderverse might have too much comedy, but to say that the story was 'predictable' is a bit absurd (unless you knew the plot like me before watching it) also, i would argue that the points you made about the film not being perfect for animators and musicians is incorrect in this instance; both films have very good soundtracks, primarly BECAUSE they are supported by Pemberton, arguably the spiderverse's creator of its sound quality and recognisable nature and as for the animators, ATSV is just so much more bombastic and impressive; there were way more environments explored, way more wacky characters worked with (the spot, miguel, HOBIE FREAKING BROWN) and the VAs are tough, but i would argue that ATSV does as great of a job as ITSV did the original deserved the oscar, but so does ATSV as well

[@vintagememelord8168]

Hot take: I think Daniel Pemberton's carried the movie more than Metro Boomin'

[@TheQukey]

I’m pretty sure Gwen’s monologue is meant to be interpreted as being spoken at the end of the movie, when she’s pitching her plan to the Spider-Recruits (Spider-Ham, Peni Parker, Spider-Byte etc). That’s why she keeps talking at the end of the movie, and ends it with “You want in?” If you look at the opening monologue like this, it reframes the beginning and makes a lotta more sense.

[@thesharkster1718]

That’s a really cool perspective I hadn’t thought of that!!

[@2014poptart]

She basically started off pitching part 3

[@loganu4664]

Whooooaaaaaaaaaa. That's crazy, man. I never thought of that!

[@belindaluna2067]

You _can_ do both....if you bake two cakes. Or...if you have two Spider-People. Or more, like in Mumbatton. I think a big theme of this movie is that a community lifting everyone up together can do what a crab bucket can't. All the Spideys who suffered canon events before the Spiderverse opened up were alone; but they're not anymore. They have other people there for them that can help them do both. Like Miles saved Inspector Singh while Pav was saving Gayatri, and Miles has the Spider-Band coming to save him.

[@whirlpoolstudio97]

"Like Miles saved Inspector Singh while Pav was saving Gayatri" Yeah, with how Mumbattan universe is collapsing, Miles' help might not have been the best

[@CountCalcium]

@@whirlpoolstudio97if you look closely the black void was spreading before inspector singh. Like the building was degrading and turning black before it hit the ground

[@cirnotheicefairy3609]

@@CountCalcium and if he paid attention to the Previous Movie, Peter Parker (1610) already said that he didn't want Kingpin's collider opening up a Black Hole right underneath Manhattan. You know, the same thing happening to Mumbattan after the Spot activated that universe's Collider.

[@hersheysbar28]

Ngl it'd be so lit if Pav was the one to save his dad, too

[@FelipeBoghi-oq1qj]

That would be a very neat conclusion to the narrative of canon events. Good idea!

[@tawnos253]

The scene that hit me the hardest was Miles breaking Gwen's web after she caught him during the spider chase. She clearly cares for him, but he feels so betrayed (keeping Hobie, spider society, and his father's imminent death a secret) that he severs that connection with her.

[@harlonroby8251]

Probably my favorite part of the movie is Rio's speech to Miles before letting him go chase Gwen. Everything she says basically lays out the plot for the rest of the film: "Don't let the people in those big fancy places tell you you don't belong there" referring to the Spider Society, and she even ends it with "Just don't get lost", which is exactly what he does.

[@UrpleSquirrel]

I was also thinking about the line when she tells Miles to "take care of that little boy." I'm wondering if that ends up being prophetic, and he treats the other universe's Miles with empathy, and helps him become a better person?

[@scruffd0g193]

It goes hand in hand when Gwen told his parents, I’m going to find him and bring him home.

[@cgsoldier4196]

Also, I just realized today that Miles-42 is not voiced by Shameik Moore but by Jharrel Jerome from When They See Us. So it’s not just because Jefferson is dead and he was raised by Rio that his voice is different and has an accent. He’s literally a whole different person!!! Also also, Miles-42s official name is Miles G. Morales, similar to Peter B. Parker. This movie is amazing!!!

[@Trooper43G]

Miles' accent being more hispanic was one of my favorite tiny touches in this movie.

[@minkusaurus]

he's certainly a g

[@colindoyle4370]

The last 5 minutes of this movie is my favorite sequence of ANY movie. Just the character musical themes, the visuals of Earth 42, and the way I went in not knowing it was a part one of two so I kept wondering "HOW are they gonna resolve this?" as the tension kept building to a bursting point. My jaw hit the floor when the _To be continued_ appeared

[@viktorbeisland4506]

people started laughing when it said to be continued bc it's basically insane and so unusual to end a movie like that

[@jeromevaleska2014]

@@viktorbeisland4506Fast X:

[@Kimtroverted]

I will never forget the collective -outrage- in my theater when this came up. People were distraught that they got the rugpull. xD

[@Onaterdem]

Since they had announced it years ago, and I was keeping up, I knew that it would end on a cliffhanger. But I was so scared it would end up feeling half-baked, like it ended abruptly. But nope. The ending kept building up and up, and stopped at the PERFECT moment. This movie was PERFECT.

[@angelaparkes451]

I knew it was going to be cut in half and I still was mad. They way they started building it up made me respect them though at the same time. The buildup was crazy and I actually was ready to watch for another hour

[@ebonnknight]

I really liked in Gwen's intro, she swaps back and forth between Gwen and Spider-Woman, showing as Spider-Woman in her reflections. It feels like she's conflicted and feels that sort of 'which one is the mask?' issue common for superheroes. But, when she comes home at the end, she's wearing her spidersuit, but she reflects in the window as Gwen, which feels like she realizes that she knows who she is now

[@eileensnow6153]

I don’t want people to talk badly about animation anymore. This movie is pure art, from the visuals to the themes to the music (Miguel O’Hara’s theme is haunting and gorgeous)

[@adamH.1]

Miguel's theme is the least impressive from the amazing soundtrack, its just short and too similar to Prowler. The Spot's theme on the other hand is a masterpiece

[@sydposting]

@@adamH.1 I have to disagree. I think Miguel's theme is brilliant because it's a direct inversion of the Spider-Man motif in the score! The regular motif goes up-down-up, while Miguel's motif goes down-up-down. It's the same exact notes, highlighting how Miguel *really* is not like the others. You can hear it in many tracks beyond just his theme on the soundtrack, so I feel it's just a little unfair to say "It's too short" as criticism.

[@KwassaKwassa_]

Bro I'm not watching a cartoon

[@adamH.1]

@@KwassaKwassa_ "You got a problem with cartoons?"

[@jakestockton16478]

@@KwassaKwassa_🥶🥶🥶 you’re so cool 🥶🥶🥶

[@samuelstensgaard4828]

Gwen is absolutely as into Miles as he's into her imo. The film mirrors the way they both use their art in their pining for one another (Miles with his drawing and Gwen with her drumming) There's also this cute beat where she's in his room and says: "You...grew! Had a little growth spurt..." before cringing at herself in that oh so relatable way.

[@Blueeyesthewarrior]

They're so cute, just two teens in love and trying to navigate that while also being spider-people. I'm rooting for these crazy kids.

[@Arosukir6]

Rio's "Dios te bendiga" absolutely killed me, emotionally. As a Nuyorican (a Puerto Rican person from NYC) it was so...I dunno...affirming? To hear a parent in a major animated blockbuster about friggin' *Spiderman,* use the kind of terminology that my family have used my whole life. It was just so awesome! The phrase means "God Bless You," by the way. When you say goodbye to your parents, grandparents, aunts, and uncles you say "Bendición," essentially asking for their blessing, and they reply "Diós te bendiga." It's you acknowledging respect for your elders, and them wishing you good luck and fortune. I'm not religious but I still ask for Bendición from my abuela so she knows I will always love and respect her. Spiderman is and always will be my favorite superhero!

[@johnlokey3267]

as someone who doesn't speak Spanish hearing this makes the movie a whole level deeper

[@Braga_Rcb]

Brazilian here, i do and fell the same

[@johnnynunez6771]

Mexican from LA here! I never leave the house without hearing my mom tell me qué dios te bendiga!

[@reillycurran8508]

Small detail that I think is kinda cool, Sunspider, the quippy one in the spider chair, launches herself at Miles to attack instead of webbing him up like the others have tried to, and its because at that moment he's on spider horse and she can steel his spot in the saddle to land safely without needing to use her own legs to get around.

[@MrMisterTM]

The whole canon event thing is definitely a meta commentary on Spider-Man’s character development and trauma as a whole. It’s (kinda) poking fun at people who get upset about spider-man not going through the motions (I.e. Uncle Ben, police captain, symbiote, etc) I think in beyond miles is going to absolutely defy all expectations and tear away from your classic Spider-Man story. I mean he sorta already did that in this movie.

[@bigboyfilmproductions8478]

I somewhat like the think it's also a dig at marvel editorial for never letting spider-man have a happy life, that they think he has to constantly get "hit in the balls" to have a compelling story when some fans would for once like to see Peter Parker have a win with MJ for once instead of constantly going back and forth which got old pretty quickly. Less said about Paul the better.

[@StarPichu12]

@@bigboyfilmproductions8478 which is why including the May-day spider girl is such a hecking awesome nod to that, May-day's spider run was a 'what if' of Peter and MJs life NOT being fucked up by the editorials, not having to be a tragedy.... until the spiderverse comics came in and destroyed her family cause yay drama

[@expensive-brother]

Is it? seems to me that the writers want us to hate the "old" spidermen and to like the new ones

[@solamadoo]

Yes! I love Miles' speech to Miguel about how people keep trying to tell him what his story is supposed to be and his decision to do his own thing, i.e. break with canon. He inspires Gwen, who goes home to talk to her dad, which convinces him to quit his job, changing the canon so that there's never a Captain Stacy in that universe at all. Miles is absolutely going to break all the rules and I'm so excited for him.

[@carlotta4th]

Except he still had an uncle die so he hasn't subverted anything at all.

[@ParadoxNerdHLM]

Miguel's "you have the choice between saving one person and saving everyone" line hits different when you remember that's a standard climax for a superhero movie, and they almost always end with the hero managing to save both the one they care about and the innocent strangers

[@mirandatagliamonte9754]

9:21 The company that makes the baby powder Miles is endorsing is called “Charm and Stammer”. 9:22 The comment on the video says “old spider-man didn’t need baby powder” 9:41 In Miles’ drawing, Uncle Aaron’s shirt says “3Pac” 29:06 Spider-Rex’s web shooting sound isn’t “thwip”, it’s “T-whip!”

[@MrSirWivd]

you are a legend. thank you

[@jjbizzare96]

5:34 Miguel doesn't have spidey-sense 8:41 Miles being on covers of magazines in the bodega 8:57 Miles has a thing for beef patties, they are one of his favorite foods from the comics 10:54 The Fire Next Time book by James Baldwin 19:43 Every single label that you see over the spider containers are real universes from the Spider-verse. The spider on the far left from Miles' spider (Earth-14512) is the spider that bit Peni.

[@CerealKillerBoy100]

@@jjbizzare96 Also at 34:10, Miles' hoodie is purple and green, not red and black. Subtle visual storytelling there.

[@ffreed]

@@CerealKillerBoy100Yeah, I noticed the color change of the jacket in the theater, but in the moment I figured it was a stylistic color shift to imply something Uncle Aaron (or Prowler)-like about the situation. The movie had been playing with color choices and art styles and neat references so much I didn’t realize I had noticed something plot-important until it was spelled out.

[@frotakun]

39:38 Miguel is shrouded in red by a WELCOME sign

[@JoseChavez-ct1db]

The fact that the first movie won the Oscar (Rightfully so BTW) and this movie managed to surpass it in the first TWENTY MINUTES with just the Gwen sequence, is mind-blowing. And it did not let up, it got better and better until the very last frame. People will bow to the 3rd one, if the first two are any indication. A masterpiece of cinema.

[@AntsTheaterCorner2698]

Let's hope it can win the Oscar and the critics choice.

[@operationorigami8962]

I was a bit surprised you didn't mention Peter B and Miles having a mini confrontation about Mayday. Peter B saying "you're the reason I had her, I thought there was a chance she could turn out as great of a person as you" and generally praising Miles a lot, then Miles turning around and asking "then why didn't you come visit me" really hit me hard when I watched it. It felt like a great look into how the mentor/newbie spidey dynamic is beginning to dissolve once Miles learns that his mentor basically betrayed him as much as Gwen and the other spider people did, if not more because of the implicit trust formed in the first movie.

[@AkutomiNamikaze]

I love how I caught two hints that Miles was going to the wrong Earth and STILL was surprised by the twist! Like, I noticed the Earth-42 screen and brushed it off as either me misremembering which Earth Miles was from or a retcon from the filmmakers, and then I noticed the hoodie he pulls on to cover up his costume was purple instead of his typical red and I brushed it off as "oh, well of course he has more than one hoodie". What a fool I was...

[@archiegray1228]

I actually love Gwen’s universe because- as a person with synesthesia- it’s awesome to see all the colors play such an important part with the storytelling

[@owleyes311]

yes! My synesthesia is number/letter-colors, but Gwen's universe is so satisfying bc my brain is so used to mixing colors with other things that it just made so much sense

[@cocosolis8240]

This movie is seriously just a love letter to "people who have x" "people who are y" "people who feel z" I love it

[@tonypeppermint5329]

Ooo, nice.

[@jjjjoooyyy]

Yoo I gave synthesia as well! Especially with emotions it's like I can feel the colour throughout my whole body. Just another reason why this film is flipping awesome

[@brunopagnoncelli975]

What's synesthesia?...

[@sagesigman8269]

The speech from Miles' Mom was in the trailer and I go to the movies all the time but even watching the trailer, I would break down into tears, because not only is Miles rare among Spider-folk for having both of his parents alive and well and supportive, it really hits home for me. My parents loved me for 18 years... and then they didn't. They left me alone, in the cold and dark, to die. No one looks out for me but me, and he has such a blessing with his parents and the story is also about how such blessings can be taken away. These movies take the superficial nature of most superhero flicks and burn it to ash... and a colorful pheonix rises, reminding us of what heroes truly mean to us... They bring us hope.

[@Devlerbat]

I am surprised you didn't point out that Pavitr's girlfriend and police captain both got saved because he essentially had "two cakes" as in another spider-man to help him. I kind of like the theory that what destroyed Miguel's universe wasn't breaking cannon events, but an incursion as described in the MCU as multiple copies of the same person existing in the same universe for too long (perhaps that universes' original Miguel was secretly alive the whole time). It would mean that Miguel is tragically doubling down on his mistake by gathering so many Peter Parkers into one place rather than fixing his mistake like he thinks he is. And the Spider-Hub, which he created to be the tool to fix the multiverse, is instead a ticking time bomb.

[@MEWtiful]

Also Mayday only exists because Peter B. traveled across dimensions and met Miles. She's living proof that crossing dimensions and canon divergence doesn't always result in a universe being destroyed

[@FFfanboyX]

Personally I was at first justifying it as-dead!Miggy's Gabriella was supposed to be motivated to become Spider-Woman by that incident, then later got involved in Avengers-level time travel shenanigans to change the past; Miguel takes his own place, that Gabriella never becomes Spider-Woman 21something, the past isn't saved, that future gets undone. More recently I figure-in the ItSV post-credits scene, about a year ago, Miguel's original goober is noted as the FIRST autonomous multiversal travel. So possibly it's a hardware issue he's unaware of; whatever radiation/field/energy it uses to prevent glitching is downright hazardous in a foreign universe. So Nueva York is fine, because the Watches themselves are all 'native' to that universe, but too many Spider-Men showing up in foreign universes at the same time? And you know that the Spiders considered their juniors not losing their Gwen Stacys or Uncle Bens or Captains was an 'all hands on deck' situation, while Anomalies look to only get followed by one or two Spiders at a time. So every time a hundred Spiders descended to save a Ben, Gwen, or Captain that universe developed a big ol' quantum black hole, Miguel noted that these events in some form were happening everywhere, and assumed that meant they were structural somehow. So he said stop interfering, took the quantum holes not appearing as 'evidence', did a lot of investigation for other events that 'always' happened and added them to the list, and then forbade everyone from preventing those incidents. Basically, the problem is that Miguel is ascribing far more value to a common pattern than he should when it should have occured to him that the wristwatches capable of blowing pinholes in reality and holding off a universe's "immune response" to outsiders might have side effects. Well, in the comics he is a geneticist, not a physicist... Or I could just favor that theory because it means a thousand genius Parkers can descend on Miguel's work to fix the problem, and we get a happy ending without having to figure out what actually is causing universes to collapse. Because even if Canon is wrong, and I really doubt Beyond is going to end with Miles letting his dad die and accepting fate or watching his universe fall apart, that doesn't change that SOMETHING collapsed at least one universe.

[@BrenGaming01]

I really like the look on Jess' face when Miles webs her to the bus. It's a good mix between being annoyed and being impressed.

[@Ms.Divine2024]

Lol me too

[@JohnPeacekeeper]

The interesting thing about Hobie is that he's what an actual anarchist is like: patient, methodical, opportunistic The anarchists that you see just throwing stuff all over the place without a plan are what people think of instead; an image that only helps actual anarchists because their plans are unexpected.

[@torazely]

Not to mention he's a grassroots anarchist. He's all about making connections with the outsiders, those who aren't part of the authority and top hierarchy. While Miguel controls things by fear and intimidation, Hobie makes actual relationships.

[@tobi3716]

He´s also all about that empathy and mutual support on an eye to eye level

[@tobi3716]

Plus he actively works on dismanteling hierarchies and the oppression they breed by forming horizontal social networks that better suit the needs and desires of the people in them :)

[@TheCompleteMental]

Which plans? When?

[@SinHurr]

@@TheCompleteMental I knew there's be at least one person in this comment chain who missed the point :)

[@MatthewMe]

I'd like to think the final lesson will be that they don't have to be connected only through tragedy and cycles can be broken. I'll be curious which way they go with it. Miles has always been different, which I love.

[@victoriavvc]

I feel like no one talks about Hobie telling Miles to make his own portal watch! Like they missed that line? Gosh I was glued to this movie, and I feel like i saw things other people didn't see. But maybe it's because not everyone I know liked Hobie immediately. He was so well-thought out. this movie was so great, I hope the studio treats their employees better for the next one.

[@phillipmunoz7181]

What about the fact he future tipped Miles to use his whole palm next time (like he knew the future) then quietly RE-reminded him when the time came! Pure awesomeness.

[@haythamfaisal8113]

At first the "make your own watch" line to me it seemed like Hobie was being dismissive as part of his punk-persona, but he was 100% serious about it.

[@Andreamom001]

I loved Hobie!

[@noahely3014]

I think they also kind of hinted how Hobie will be on Miles's side with the backstory, he was fighting against what he saw as oppression and so when that happened with Miguel being the oppressor he was always going to stop it.

[@Arander92]

tbf, Hobie is very British and talks very fast

[@jonathanscores6478]

I can't express any more than most for how genuinely amazing Daniel Pemberton is. I already appreciated his work since I was a kid playing LittleBigPlanet and to see how he elevated his musical expertise with his cinema background and from ITSV to now this, I'm so proud he's getting more appreciation from everyone. Praying he gets his Oscar for this score

[@pance_9912]

This has to be an ABSOLUTE LOCK for Best Score.

[@jonathanscores6478]

@@pance_9912 Dude 100%

[@itsneuro]

LittleBigPlanet was such a goated franchise. One of my top 5 games of all time and the music was definitely a big reason for that.

[@jonathanscores6478]

@@itsneuro Same man. The PS3 era for me was nothing but heaven and that game made it better

[@thatoneguy9399]

His work for the original score and the orchestrations in the criminally underrated “Yesterday” is absolutely incredible

[@therealsnoopdog1855]

Gwen and Miles relationship is the definition of he fell first but she fell harder 😂 she can literally sense him across dimensions by the end 😭

[@Aisha_Luv]

Yeah lol. But she’s also scared she’s gonna take a hard fall if she pursues those feelings.

[@therealsnoopdog1855]

@@Aisha_Luv yeah that’s at the start of the film though but by the end she doesn’t believe in the canon anymore “one thing I learnt from Miles anything is possible”

[@therealsnoopdog1855]

@JakeyRavioli true cause she used to run from things like her relationship with her dad and her feelings for Miles but he taught her that she doesn’t have to run from things and that’s how she fixed her relationship with her dad and now she’s gonna do the same with Miles and tell him how she feels once he forgives her.

[@santiagogarza8121]

I don't usually rate romantic sub plots, but damn, this one hit hard

[@danielkiran8174]

I think Gwen was in love with Miles, but was afraid to get too close to him. He wasn't the only Spider-man that was helping her out, in fact she's surrounded by HUNDREDS of Spider-Men, but she clearly has a special attachment to him.

[@markdatton1348]

Personally, the reconciliation of Gwen and her father is the most powerful and beautiful moment of the movie. It's a close call, for sure, but the sheer emotion and artistry on display brings me to tears every time I see it. I've seen the movie 5 times now, and I can say without a doubt that it is one of the most amazing moments in cinema for me.

[@JustOnlyHallow]

People talks a lot how this movie ends in a big cliffhanger but you can have the other way and say "this is gwens movie" even tho we didnt see her all the time and the point of view is from Miles, she has the most character development and had an end to her arc with finally being all good with her dad. For me she was the stand in character and the best one of the film, she isnt always the hero, for a while she plays an antagonistic role and thats fantastic We got the cliffhanger, sure, but we also got Gwens story, beginning, the problem to solve and the ending solution

[@SMLolita]

The absolute quiet after her dad shot his gun in the air, and hearing the cartridge drop is spine chilling every time.

[@markdatton1348]

@@SMLolita I totally agree. Tbh everything about the watercolor scenes is just so emotive and engaging. The relief I feel when they hug, and the colors turn white, and bright, is indescribable. Its truly a masterpiece

[@justagirl36]

@@JustOnlyHallow YESSSS i absolutely agree with all of this. this IS gwen's movie.

[@mackielunkey2205]

@@JustOnlyHallowI also really like that the cliffhanger is at the part where Miles is about to escape and Gwen is about to save Miles. So when they go back into the second part, they can pick up from there.

[@AquariumPebbles]

I adore the scene where Gwen and her dad come to terms with each other at the end. The increasingly abstract art is honestly my favorite part of the whole movie. I've seen a lot of interpretations, but for me, the reason the art becomes less legible and increasingly abstract and distant is because the world is fading away, nothing else matters to either of them in that moment. The only thing they're focusing on in the entire world is how desperate they each are to be loved by the other, so everything else fades to the point of abstraction. God I love this movie

[@Vesperitis]

And Gwen only reverts back to her true colors (blonde hair, Caucasian skin, white-and-black Spider-suit) when she is at peace with her authentic self, especially in front of her father. This even happens in the flashbacks to when her Peter was alive.

[@themegjake4000]

In 23 and am very close with my mom. The scene where Miles and his mom are talking about him taking “care of that little boy” bit so close to home. I think that’s when I knew this movie was special. Capturing that relationship in a way that feels true to life and genuine isn’t easy.

[@thederpywarrior9501]

7:03 if you look at the rebar rubble you can also see how Gwen's dad has the more jagged and aggressive side, while Gwen's side of the rubble is more vertical like a shield, where she's defending herself, showing not only the colors but also the background itself shifts to convey emotion

[@fluffhead6757]

I adore this movie. A few more fun notes! 1) Pavitr also seems to be almost ribbon-dancing when he's moving on his webs, 2) Miguel being Irish is a very fun touch, because in Irish folklore, there are changelings - fae who take the place of people and live their lives for them. He became the changeling in his own story. And 3) my friend made a really good point about Miles and anomalies: the glitches only happen when an *outside* influence causes a change in the canon. IE Miles being the one to save Gayaitra's father, or Miguel entering another universe and covering up his death. But there were no glitches when Gwen caused her father to quit being a police captain and, as a result, broke canon.

[@johnthomason9980]

And even then, 3 isn't even always true, because the entire reason Miles got his powers was because a spider from ANOTHER DIMENSION bit him, which you would think would cause a canon collapse of some kind, but instead canon SHIFTED by having Chris Pine Spidey die and pass on the mantle to Miles. It didn't cause a collapse like it did with Pavitr or Miguel. I suspect that either Miguel is just wrong about the canon, or he's lying and we're not getting the whole story in regards to what's going on

[@fluffhead6757]

@@johnthomason9980 Good point! Honestly, I get the sense from Miguel that he's just deeply traumatized and running on what he knows from his own experiences. But we also have some clearly missing pieces about him, what with the vampire fangs and him being so cagey

[@Bubbly_Dragon]

To reiterate Briandoesart's point - Pavitr's dimension is destroyed from Spot's collider, _not_ displacing the canon event. Visuals are a huge thing in the spider-verse movies, so I'm surprised more people don't point out that Miguel's body jacking universe dying looks radically different to what we see happen there. It looks like the glitching, quick and more colourful, instead of the slow, creeping black void of, say, a black hole

[@thisisabackupemail2264]

@@fluffhead6757 Depending how closely they follow comic Spider 2099, Miguel's 'vampire' fangs are due to him being an anomaly. Sci-fi genesplice due to an agitated coworker trying to shove him in the machine to kill him. It's also why he doesn't have precognition like all the other Spideys, as Miguel has the strength, the reflexes, but mainly the bulk and the like, but rather than hairs... Miguel's fingers have literal claw spikes that jut out from his digits and his fangs inject paralysis venom! He also started out way more akin to the Punisher in original runs, being far more dark and way more open to killing enemies. He mellowed out... a bit.

[@kevinstephenson3531]

@@Bubbly_DragonI noticed it on my third watch but the black hole was actually on top of Alchemax’s roof when it was falling meaning it predates the canon event being disrupted

[@mohsin90ish]

I think you're right that most spider people accept cannon events because they've already happened to them but more than that it’s easier to accept emotionally because now all the horrible things they’ve been through are for a reason rather than having to accept they were just random occurrences that could’ve been avoided. Also 26:32 was adorable

[@MarrvelFan123]

Omg, the intro is so amazing with the drum intro, and the way that they not only recap what happened in the last movie, but they show us what happens later in the movie, and it even picks back up at the end of the movie with the entire thing being her asking us to join

[@KrissiWil]

They hinted at the end reveal in the very first interaction miles had with spiderman in the first movie. When miles has his first “spider sense” moment, his colors are green and purple (prowler colors) but then shift to the Spider-Man’s red/blue. It a huge hint that had miles never met the spiderman from his world, he would have ended up working with Aaron.

[@kazuhaluvscara]

OH MY GODDDD YOU ARE SOOO RIGHT IM SO THANKFUL FOR THIS INFO CUS I WOLD HAVE NEVANOTICED

[@KolMan2000]

Another interesting detail is we actually see flashes of the events that haven’t happened yet during Gwen’s drum solo. We even see Spot post-transformation

[@tyrian9471]

I think it's safe to say if Beyond the Spider-verse sticks the landing, this will become the greatest trilogy in... possibly all of film. But at least in superhero movies and animated films. It's genuinely insane how good these films are. Hopefully the people working on the next one get enough time to make it without crunch and are fairly paid for it. Also, I was caught off guard by the reference to the Beast from Infamous at the end, but I very much appreciate it. Infamous 2 is one of my all time favorite games, it's good to hear it acknowledged.

[@kinshasaboykenny]

The Lord of the Rings may have a thing or two to say about "the greatest trilogy". But I agree we got two marvellous films so far.

[@FireFoxProduction]

honestly we don't have to classify these as the greatest animated films, just greatest films

[@tyrian9471]

@@FireFoxProduction Oh, we definitely don't. They're fantastic films, point blank.

[@Satherian]

Oh definitely. I'm so scared that the next one will be terrible (because endings are hard), but if it's not, hoooooobooooyy

[@colereeder5653]

These movies are great, but LOTR will always be the best trilogy. Spiderverse might give the original Star Wars trilogy a run for its money though.

[@charmedlife1990]

This movie does a great job of showing solidarity within communities & learning what a real ally looks like. Hobie & Spider-Byte only had short interactions with Miles yet choose to help him when the literal spider world is against him. Peter & Gwen know Miles yet were convinced to abandon AND attack him. For me it speaks to how even if people say they are allies at times it is conditional. Even though Gwen questioned Miguel she wasn't willing to fully stand up for Miles until she was isolated as well. While Peter's guilt becomes too much & he seeks to redeem himself. I believe this movie is just as much about Gwen as it is about Miles. It is important to note that while part of Gwen's journey is her "coming out" & accepting herself it is also about her learning about what a true ally & friend looks like at the most critical of times.

[@maland2016]

I knew Across was already split into Beyond since I saw that initial announcement. So the whole time I'm watching the ending in theatres, there's this sense of "Where the hell is this gonna leave off?" And lemme tell ya, what a note to leave it on. The perfect combination of sheer dread and terror mixed with the slightest glimmer of hope. The team actually compared it to Empire's ending, and yeah, I can definitely see the similar vibes there. So excited for Beyond, but for the love of god, please do NOT stress your damn animators this time, Lord and Miller. Please.

[@theothersparrow]

I remembered the announcement that it was gonna be a 2-parter, but only right as the score built to a crescendo at the cliffhanger. I kept thinking "film's been running for a bit, how're they gonna resolve everything before the credits?" And then I was like "oh, right!"

[@nothanks3413]

The thing for me is I knew it'd be a cliffhanger ending so I didn't expect to react strongly since I knew it was coming, but when the time came, I was desperately hoping for the movie to keep going.

[@twotruckslyrics]

i went in with no knowledge that it was a 2-parter and me and my group were so distraught it ended!!! sidenote: we all giggled at the “and heres where the british stole all our stuff!” part it was so good 😭

[@mythicalsalmon3621]

One thing I love is that Miguel accepts Gwen only when she says "I dont know how to fix this" the same feeling that Miguel probably felt back then when he broke his canon event. Gwen showed how powerful she was and how good of a person she is, but that wasn't enough for him. The spider society for Miguel it's about fixing things, not necessarily doing good. That's why I think he says "Join the club" like we are desperate and we don't know how to fix things, so you belong with us.

[@Nathi98]

That is why he didn't allow Miles in perhaps! Miles is a thinking on his feet kind of guy. He always looks for a solution no matter how little time he has at times

[@mauz791]

There's a channel called 'schnee' that made a video on Miguel, which went into extreme detail about this

[@galacticgila219]

I adore Miguel’s slight sketch look- he’s from the future, something we can’t truely predict, so he always looks like a unfinished idea

[@jessikat_17]

Despite seeing the Earth 42 when Miles went through the portal, the thing that really told me he was in the wrong Universe was how grungy everything is. The background when he first arrives, it's like it's almost dirtier. I love it! Upon closer inspection I realize it's spray paint. Still grungy but it's more spray paint than dirty

[@atharvoak3445]

I love everything about Gwen in this movie. From her look, to her movement, to her suit, to her universe, to her theme.... I can go on forever, goddamn I love this movie

[@ryllharu]

The Gwen-verse intro is color and style picture perfect to her initial comic run. Every frame. It echoes Robbi Rodriguez' art marvelously. It evokes emotion without even trying. I loved every second of the sequences.

[@rillaboomaui]

I WAS WAITING FOR THIS ONE! Thank you for reviewing this one too! It was totally worth the wait!

[@nathanbenji148]

Sameeeee

[@DiegoWolf-o2b]

Me toooo

[@TheShandukie]

Even me!

[@23xclusive99]

Samee !

[@samn.s_sand]

ME TOO BRUH I WAS WAITING MONTHS FR 🎉🎉

[@samschellhase8831]

21:14, the tea still spilling over as Miles gets distracted with the conversation is wonderful Ah, you got it! 16:41 as well, the way she pulls herself down to the ledge, even though she’s actually pulling herself *up* against gravity which is really cool and totally makes sense for someone who has lots of experience doing this You didn’t show the seen exactly, but Miles using his palms to escape the prison thingy, much to Hobie’s pride, is Win worthy And Spot’s humor at the beginning really had me rooting for him

[@tylerhale5837]

Gwen on the ledge, I was hoping someone would talk about it! I love the difference between them too, how Gwen anchors webs and pulls herself down (up?) whereas Miles, hanging from one hand, just pulls himself into a sitting position. It also mirrors with Prowler!Miles hanging from the beam before he hops down, which is just yet another clue to his identity before he gets revealed. And Hobie giving Miles the initial advice, but when Miles seems stuck he gives that subtle advice again, but it's only after giving Miles a few seconds to try on his own. To me, it looks like he only gives the advice after MIles starts to freak out a little, and it feels so sweet that Hobie was there to help him. Also I don't know if he actually says this, but my subtitles say 'Little man. Peter Pan. Palms' when Hobie reminds Miles, and that just makes it funnier.

[@Magisean11]

THANK GOD I’m not the only one who felt like in some small way the existence of Gwen’s theme improved my being. It’s so good

[@ereynolds72]

I love how they let hobie be , well, british. And not Hollywood British and not American British and not stereotype British. As a British person watching this for the first time I fell in love with him, not only does he have the punk motif going hard, but he’s just so unapologetically him. Also, “not a scooby mate” cracked me up because that was like, half of my teenage years word for word. The only thing that would have made him more representative of my high school would be him going “SOMEONES GOT A TEAR” when he’s trying to piss someone off and make them more emotionally frayed, but I feel that’s getting VERY specific

[@darryljack6612]

As a hardcore comicbook fan seeing this in the movie theatres with my family was an amazing experience, i literally couldnt contain myself at every reference being shown and whispering into the ear of the person next me about what was happening before it happened.

[@FRPWR]

Felt. I had to explain a bit to my brother while watching it and it added to my experience that I could keep up and predict quickly. :)

[@MapleLamia]

The fact that you forget about Renaissance Vulture by the end is a testament to how ridiculously good the character designs are, and also how tight the intro is that you think Spot will be the Villain of the Week to intro Miles in the film when Renaissance Vulture is the ACTUAL Villain of the Week.

[@cabnbeeschurgr]

That said the opening fight is so goddamn cool in this movie. 2099's entrance is peak badass

[@squarishsofa]

As always, love hearing your perspective! But how could you not talk about the moment where as miles is running from all of the spider people, Gwen webs him in the chest as a last ditch effort to hold on to him but then he realizes what she’s done and snaps the web leaving her hanging?! That moment hit. So. Hard.

[@AlphalanceVO]

Something I wanted to add to what makes Hobie so good in his intro (that I'm absolutely stealing from schnee) is how when he's describing himself he starts off with something flashy that grabs our attention and makes us assume he's just "The Cool Guy Miles is Competing With" then immediately follows it with something more punk like some audio sleight of hand. "When I'm not putting on shows" but then "and staging unpermitted political action." "I hate labels, I'm not a hero" comes off as trying to humble brag but then he immediately explains why he probably hates the Spiderverse HQ "calling yourself a hero makes you a self mythologizing narcissitic autocrat. Come on!"

[@cabnbeeschurgr]

Hobie is such a fantastic expectation subversion character. He's more of a big brother/mentor to Gwen than a bf, he's actually quite intelligent unlike most people's conceptions of an anarchist, he actually supports Miles in his autonomy because that's what his principles line up with. And he ends up being very supportive rather than engaging in a contrived love triangle plot with gwen and miles.

[@JCLJames]

Miguel’s theme has that unique mix of its own entity AND a graceful nod to Spiderman Unlimited (one of my personal favorites as far as design and story capabilities)

[@prototypetwo4042]

I LOVE how the moment Hobie recognizes Miles he basically treats him like a younger brother for the entirety of the film by constantly giving him good advice and looking out for him. He's genuinely a nice guy, even if he comes off a little pretentious at first

[@JohnWilliams-cr2sz]

Fun fact, Greg Wiesman said in a recent interview that he does not consider the Spectacular Spider-Man shown in this movie to be his, but one from a similar universe because he doesn't believe the Spider-Man he wrote would ever side with Miguel on things here. He also said it was great movie and never once insulted the character, just doesn't consider it his.

[@totokekedile]

No way, a totally reasonable response to a Spider-Man in this film not acting how they'd like? It's like a unicorn.

[@JohnWilliams-cr2sz]

@@totokekedile I know, its wild.

[@Peace_of_Toast]

9:45 I like how he puts the prowler and Uncle Aaron with the other heroes. Wholesome stuff. Despite almost being murdered by him he still looks up to his uncle.

[@coyotix]

The comedy in this movie really takes the cake for me. The timing and the tone shifts between the jokes and the action/emotion always leaves me in awe- and I still haven't stopped saying "Thresholds, bro" when I'm bored. The little details that add a touch of realism to this insanely unrealistic movie also are so fun. My personal favorite is how when Gwen sits on the ledge, she pulls herself down with webs, so she doesn't fall.