CinePi - The Open Source Cinema Camera

[@martinlutherkingjr.5582]

Super 8 sensor size is too small for cinema in most cases. Wouldn’t go any smaller than 16mm sensor size. Really wish there was a higher end version. It would make more sense to have an upgradable camera when you just spent $5-10k on it.

[@TrggrWarning]

He said there are other sensors 1:05 … He keeps mentioning 4k so im a little confused about this and why they made the housing suitable for viewfinder vs small or with lens priority. Lil leery about sizable lenses on that housing. 11:00 that rig and lens looks wonky af, everyone using obscure lenses from the 1960s on these things?

[@TheGreatAmphibian]

Up gradeable hardware has been tried and doesn’t work. Default hardware specs aare well balanced, better cameras usually ship with ALL of a better sensor, more CPU, better bandwidth, etc, when new models ship. And the new sensor tech will probably need a new heat sink design, etc. At the end you’re left with nothing worthwhile and the amount of skilled labour involved in the upgrade is nasty. Anyway, your camera body shouldn’t be a big part of your system costs - less than lights and lenses. So selling it and upgrading to a new body shouldn’t hurt that much, at least if you are one of the pros cinema cameras are meant for and are getting the tax breaks. Otherwise buy an old Canon and put magic lantern on it.

[@martinlutherkingjr.5582]

@@TheGreatAmphibian What about Red? They’re still in business and do sensor upgrades. A more open and technical user friendly version at a lower price point I think would be appreciated by many.

[@TheGreatAmphibian]

@@martinlutherkingjr.5582 Actually RED are the poster child for NOT doing sensor upgrades. They said they were going to, but they have been largely or entirely discontinued for the reasons I gave. I think the last upgrade announced was 2019 and the only info on their sensor upgrade page is a list of abandoned ones…

[@robertk1701]

​@@TrggrWarninghe's mistaken about it being 4k, it's HD. From what I can find it's the best camera module for the PI. Others might can be adapted for the Pi, but I don't know what would be involved in that. If someone was to make like a micro four thirds sensor module for the Pi, I would expect it to run 3x - 4x as much as the one mentioned (150-200 instead of 50). Whole project then approaches the cost of a camera from Panasonic. Seems like a neat project though. The fact that it uses lenses does give it an edge over a comparably priced Android phone.

[@ZachyNY]

this would be huge for things like my old college's video dept which is currently at the whim of huge camera companies deciding when they feel like giving schools access to affordable gear one thing not mentioned is what lenses are being used, which makes a huge difference and lenses are a big money sink (with cinema grade lenses being upwards of $5k-$10k new) i'm def gonna have to do more research on this i wish we could have this kind of effort for celluloid film, which literally your only options are kodak film or old kodak film

[@chiefdenis]

Lens choice would depend on the lens mount, with a project like this i would be shocked if the lens mount wasn't modular since cine cameras already have interchangeable lens mounts

[@Probable.Orange]

Lenses are pricy for a reason. You couldnt easily open source some high quality glass as a lot of the construction is company secrets. But this project being open source means that you probably dont need to worry about the mount type

[@GoldenPickaxe]

​@@Probable.Orangeyou wouldn't download a Leica 🥴

[@jacobheinrich4919]

​@@Probable.Orangethe designs are out there and might as well be open. The precision to make them well.... yeah there's a reason we're not making em at home lol

[@hapybratt8640]

​@@jacobheinrich4919im not familiar with cinema lens mounts but i dont see any reason why it would be particularly precise or difficult to make one at a machine shop. Precision is cheap nowadays anyway, someone who knows what they're doing can make something way more precise than a camera mount if they have the right tools in their garage.

[@JakSoupCo]

Would buy one, love open source stuff like this

[@PhantomBroken]

I hope we get the same treatment as more open source music DAWS and software that are just as good as FL studio, Logic or Ableton

[@clemente_01]

Yeaahh, i mean theres LMMS but I just couldnt get the hang of it

[@tralphstreet]

@@clemente_01 Ardour is pretty nice.

[@Cristopherdreamer]

​@@clemente_01lmms feels mid

[@TruthDoesNotExist]

hey dude, funny to run into you here

[@PhantomBroken]

@@TruthDoesNotExist whats up

[@joelmulder]

This is incredible. I've been waiting for proper quality DIY cameras for years. We need more variation in the market, both for photo and for cinema. Hopefully we'l get real cinema sized sensors in the future!

[@danieladelodun9547]

You can set the shutter set to exactly XXX microseconds, the gain (iso) to whatever, etc. Can use your own white balance or EV/auto exposure algorithms. Pretty cool.

[@noth606]

Eh, why? It's a terrible camera for far too much money. Get a decent 2nd hand camera for less that can run Magic Lantern = profit. No 3d printed garbage, better sensor, optics, controls etc.

[@NorthWestPvPlolrektnoob]

if you end up building one you should make a video on the process. I'm super intrigued

[@gyrgamer8936]

I can wait for new gooning material filmed using foss

[@jonahhekmatyar]

Yikes, lmao

[@acethirtysix8378]

OnlyFoss

[@LEXXUESS]

????

[@iphoneawesome123]

I already record goonin with frens under nods. The CinePi would be a fine addition

[@BetamaxFlippy]

Nah.

[@erikpeterson778]

Lenses is where you need to spend the money. Cameras are more or less disposable these days, which the CinePi solves. I will keep an eye on this project for sure.

[@DarkTrapStudio]

Yeah but you can make any mount you want with this I guess :D

[@michaelmichael2382]

​​@@DarkTrapStudiothat would be great, i got a bunch of Pentax lenses lying around

[@Foche_T._Schitt]

You have zero FOV for whatever glass you mount to it seeing as the sensor is the size of a CCTV camera.

[@DarkTrapStudio]

@@Foche_T._Schitt Yes heavy crop but you get the character of each lens, and if it open source that means we could get any sensor on it right ?

[@captureinsidethesound]

The character of the lens is muted when the crop is that heavy from a 1/2.3" sensor @@DarkTrapStudio

[@CaptZenPetabyte]

The new RPi5 and the expected upgrades of camera hardware, combined with this project ... game changer

[@sir3337]

Dang didn't realize you already got over half a million subs. Congrats Kenny. Keep it up. Cheers

[@nadtz]

The DNG files are going to be huge but I might take a look at this as I love these kinds of projects. Someone did something similar with the Canon EOS M but with that being a 10 year old camera as a base this looks like it would be a better project to sink my time into. Biggest issues would be the relatively small sensor and lens mount but for what it is this is pretty amazing. I'll be very interested to see if this gets updated for the rpi 5 (comes out in a few weeks). Edit: After some looking into it looks like people have used MFT lenses with 3d printed mounts which probably means you can use whatever you can print a mount for (within reason) so long as you get the distance right. And it's a super 8 sized sensor which isn't all that small. Now if only I had a 3d printer...

[@alockworkorange7296]

Just ask some1 to help u out if u really needed it id print parts for u

[@DarkTrapStudio]

Yeah but 2tb SSD cost 80$, people pay 150 dollars for like 240gb Cf express ? That pretty easy DNG workflow here, flawless editing, best image quality, RAW capability..... Its the best.

[@theepicduck6922]

Fortunately a lotta people operate a business of 3d printing, some libraries have 3d printers you can commission and maybe there's a con or something you can hit up. 3d printing is becoming fairly mainstream because being able to just make a plastic (or various materials) bit for whatever you need is rather nifty.

[@nadtz]

@@DarkTrapStudio I have a crop mood modded EOS M and the DNG footage takes up a lot of space quick. 1 minute of 10 bit footage takes up a GB of space, and there is a bit of a learning curve editing the files. That said DNG has some advantages which is why people use modded EOS M cameras and the Sigma FP for example, and it's likely someone who is doing this kind of DIY project probably wouldn't mind the extra steps in workflow.

[@nadtz]

@@alockworkorange7296 I've been doing some research and yeah, there are a lot of options between relatively inexpensive 3d printers and services that will do the printing for you.

[@LivingFearless__]

Thank you so much for not being a soulless time sucking level 99 Grifter bro. Your the only creator who I enjoy seeing in my timeline 💯

[@theepicduck6922]

Facts, seeing people shill for corporate brands without shouting out smaller projects or brands constantly wears on you.

[@aiden_3c]

Loving the shave style, this also seems like a sick project

[@NyanGeneral]

You couldn't have posted this at a better time for me holy shit. I'm a compsci student looking to get into filmmaking, and searching for EXACTLY this! Thank you for this video!

[@hyperturbotechnomike]

Sadly, here in Europe, the Raspberry Pi is always sold out and unobtanium. Might be easier to find an actual cinema camera in used condition and repairing it myself.

[@RealJugLY]

Bro im such a tech noob but lol the way you do your videos has taught me sososososo much over the past few months (maybe a year already) since I started watching your content!

[@naeemulhoque1777]

this is F*ing amazing! Thanks for letting us know ❤

[@davidt1516]

For the camera sensor specifications, there is a link that is called "Datasheet" in the seller page, it is a link to a PDF

[@whoamirmrf2412]

This would be amazing for high schools and colleges to have access to professional grade cameras at less than a quarter of the cost. Especially in low income areas.

[@jemborg]

That is very very groovy. ... And, like you suggested, it will only get better.

[@KingSxge]

Ooooooooo, very nice, cool, and ultimately, based.

[@Sb129]

The best part to me is that you can stock up on parts and if anything breaks you can fix it yourself~

[@PASTRAMIKick]

this is totally up my alley, open source tech and film stuff, really cool. Now someone shoot a film like "The Creator" with the Sony FX3, but with the CinePI, just kidding but maybe one day it'll get there, the gap between prosumer cinema cams and the professional stuff is getting shorter.

[@BasementCreationsChannel]

Ok this is really neat project, might actually built it myself as a secondary camera

[@thedeathchimera]

I wonder how this will compete/interact with the Apertus Axiom which has dedicated open hardware for the project. Definitely gonna make one of these though; it's affordable and available. The more open source for creatives the better.

[@AKAtheA]

neither the Sony sensor or the SoC on the Raspi are open (+ the Raspi is still kinda' overpriced)...if you actually want to dick around making vids, a used, magic lantern capable camera is probably a better investment btw thanks for mentioning the Apertus Axiom, didn't know about it.

[@thedeathchimera]

​@@AKAtheA Ye, was just talking about as cameras and how much difference there is in performance. Open vs closed hardware. Knew about Magic Lantern, but didn't think the compatible cameras could be pretty affordable used. Thanks for the suggestion.

[@TheJonathanExp]

Thanks for sharing this! I use Blackmagic 6Ks at work and I've shot a film on RED and used Canon cinema cameras, among many others.

[@tylerdoop]

This is awesome! There’s so many uses for this type of camera. I’m going to definitely try building one

[@ajk_]

amazing! Thanks for sharing! Think of the applications! Drone photography and indie film is going to be incredible in no time soon.

[@Alex-tx5ku]

Dude i hope u end up making one yourself and uploading it here , really cool project

[@nate_d376]

Thanks for bringing this to our attention. This looks very cool, and something I can do!

[@uvaldopalomares8416]

There is an interesting 80’s quality to that footage. Neat stuff. I love this

[@karmatraining]

I like these projects because they push the major camera manufacturers to adopt new features and push creativity in the filmmaking world. The form factor is really interesting.

[@WaltuhBlackjr]

I wish it was more ergonomic becuase it looks like it would be awkward to hold.

[@Akamo.]

This is insane! Thank you for sharing this. I will probably build it when I have some money to spare.

[@lluchmartinez3586]

love ya content man, never stop being based.

[@qball8up1968]

Wow, I may have to try to cobble one of these things together. Great video as always. Thanks Outlaw.

[@aymanibrahim9736]

This is wonderful. Pi 5 just came out too

[@warrior5230]

Any reason the come and find it shirt isn't available in long sleeve?

[@peepopalaber]

Nice. I have everything here. Waited for something like this.Thanks for bringing this to my attention!

[@notOEAH]

It would be interesting to see you build it if you're up for it. Also how based would you be to film yourself on a FOSS cinematic camera.

[@ejonesss]

they could make it solderless by using pogo pins just like the newer mod chips used to circumvent lockdowns on modern game consoles. i would be ok with soldering as long as it is not tiny sub millimeter sized pads like you will find on some of today's circuit boards.

[@simonmaersk]

Awesome. I am hoping that Tech will move more in this direction, and I think it will. Something I am especially worried about is the increasing popularity of electric cars, which, so far, are basically like giant iPhones running on proprietary software. Imagine the kinds of back doors this software has. Governments, tech companies, and potentially hackers can most likely do whatever with your car, which is a scary thought, since your life literally depends on the car. Imagine a future with open-source electric vehicles. If that day ever comes, I'll finally feel safe about owning one, but until then, no thanks.

[@rakeau]

One thing I imagine it would have over any commercially sold camera would just be updates. Fixes and features could be rolled out, unlike pretty much everything else which is static for its whole life out of the box.

[@prince_keke]

Finally open source camera to make cinema movies open source easier

[@1Caballo8]

The project is amazing, but after using this setup for a time, I went back to my BMPCC original. The rolling shutter is awful on the IMX477, and the RPI 4 was too unstable for long recording sessions.

[@noodlessoul8356]

RPI 5 our now, may be better?

[@tenj00]

This is a great project. I hope bigger sensors will be available at decent prices in the future. A real cinema camera needs at least an APS-C sensor.

[@DarkTrapStudio]

Not at all, cinema had small sensors for years, and now lens and low light capability are extremely good I don't understand your take.

[@nadtz]

@@DarkTrapStudio Op isn't wrong, the cinema camera community wants larger sensors and higher resolutions. A 1080 super 8 sensor wouldn't cut it for most professionals when even the 'budget' cinema cameras (blackmagic) come with MFT at 4k now a days. Some research makes it seem like the resolution limit is because of the Pi but it looks like the rpi 5 won't solve that because it still comes with USB 3 and PCIe 2.0 x1, but maybe in the future. Still an interesting project for DIY or the budget oriented though.

[@DarkTrapStudio]

​@@nadtz The cinema community ? you mean the youtube community or are you in the cinema industry ?

[@tenj00]

I must admit I am just a hobby photographer, but I know that for good depth of field you need a large sensor and big/expensive lenses. Cinema is different of course, but you have to capture at least 24 fps and the larger the sensor, the more light you can capture.

[@DarkTrapStudio]

​@@nadtz No what you say doesn't make sense, Arri 4K camera are extremely recent and most cinema camera where shooting film on 1080p Arri camera, and so in cinema DNG. If you don't do CG movies or Still print you don't need more than 4K, you won't even post in more 4K, maybe if you do wildlife but you don't need to crop with a small sensors cause lens have huge reach. USB 3 limits are more on the codecs side than resolution, DNG 4K is huge, H264 8K is riddiculous next to DNG 4K.

[@gameshark0703]

Actually awesome! Finally have a use for mine.

[@jacklol4248]

I wonder if there is a PrinterPi that would be amazing.

[@AlexRian_]

I would recommend the 64MP raspberry pi compatible sensor module that uses the same "gigantic" sensor as the flagship Samsung smartphones. That camera module delivers insanely good performance and ultra high res.

[@unfa00]

This is very interesting, and I applaud the effort, though video professionals would most likely laugh at you for coming to a shoot with this thing. It'll be interesting to see how this develops over the next decade though.

[@dud324]

If it gets the job done opinions do not matter.

[@AluminiumFoil]

The absolute cope of repeating "it looks pretty good!". Literally the gnu/car meme.

[@Flappy9]

You should definitely build one

[@Neuer_Alias_erstellen]

not the only the output makes a camera pro - its the interfaces(SDI, XLR, other), the ease of use, reliability, audio\video codecs(LOG, RAW, 10bit, HDR)

[@DarkTrapStudio]

Its 12 bit RAW DNG, Its a pi you can make any port you want.

[@Neuer_Alias_erstellen]

@@DarkTrapStudio its not that convenient

[@DarkTrapStudio]

@@Neuer_Alias_erstellenIts DIY camera ....

[@ayeapprove]

10:20 yes, but the shake makes me seasick. Stabilization is an issue, but I can see this project taking off, couple it with a vintage lens like a Helios 44m and you could get some crazy interesting footage.

[@WangleLine]

this rules so much. I love open source soft- & hardware

[@jacobnussbaum2309]

What's the sensor mount? The chromatic aberration and hallation on that image looks pretty brutal. Edit: it's mft and the golf sequence uses the SLRmagic 12mm t1.6 which is a pretty good lens so I hope it looks bad because of him fudging around in Resolve and not cuz the sensor sucks

[@skreamoshi]

thanks for the video kenny :)

[@imothy]

I'm curious about the specs. What kind of lens mount? It looks like C mount. What kind of crop factor does the sensor use? What framerates can you shoot at? etc...

[@Adenybaloi]

This makes me so happy to see

[@Jay-O_Carlow]

Super Impressed!! And this is Why i am a fucking Huge fan of yours and have been for a very very long time now Thanks so much as always man you Aced it! Yet again fucking mint i'd love one

[@StarmenRock]

please build one of these for the channel... id love to see more things about open source video production. I'm currently in the process of abandoning adobe for davinci resolve and something like this would be great to free me from canon

[@DaviAndrei]

This is such a cool project

[@mort_brain]

This product is the future of consumer user products I think.

[@Foche_T._Schitt]

Just go buy a used Micro 4/3rds camera. You'll come out way ahead.

[@ethan_webb]

Would buy this instantly if they can get bigger sensor sizes (at least micro 4/3)

[@jona623e]

This seems like a fun project for people to learn how cameras work, but i think it's a stretch to call it a cinema camera. The sensor being a cheap raspberry pi 8mm makes this more approachable, but more akin to a CCTV camera in terms of quality. The C lens mount is also a really weird choice, as it's almost only used on CCTV cameras today. What you really pay for when buying a "cinema" camera (whatever that means nowadays) is a ton of design, testing, build quality and calibration.

[@liarus]

Please buy one and show us the entire process, that seems amazing

[@alborn4217]

You don't buy it, you build it.

[@quite1enough]

This is absolutely amazing, I'm not a tech guy but I'll try to assemble this someday (it's just I doubt that this parts available in Russia)

[@DarkTrapStudio]

Aliexpress is not from the Alliance ;)

[@quite1enough]

@@DarkTrapStudio yeah, but it's usually take more than a month for delivery and high chances of damages during transportation ;c

[@DarkTrapStudio]

@@quite1enough :(

[@Iancreed8592]

I don't know much about sensors and cameras, but could you multiple smaller sensors and combine them to get the effect of a larger sensor? What specifically makes cameras so expensive?

[@LydellAaron]

Thanks for doing this video and bringing this to our attention. A full frame sensor or larger such as medium or large format sensor, and HDMI output would be nice.

[@EMAHGERD]

I can see one application for these that theyll be unbeatable at: Cinematic FPV Drone shots. Many productions miss out on this insane tool because flying a quad with a 20k camera setup on top is something for big advertising and hollywood with fancy insurances.

[@jimster1111]

i know im gonna get flak for asking this but what makes this better than say a modern mid to high end phone camera? access to lenses?

[@pixelagent007]

This is the kinda thing that will really profit off of the Pi 5

[@johnbrooks7350]

At least from a technical perspective I know a lot of pro cameras use FPGAs to do some compute, would cool to see brought to mainstream. Maybe GPU programming? Mainly just because more people are familiar the development ecosystems for GPUs are a little more open than FPGAs

[@ciberula]

I wonder if I can turn an old super8 into this? As in keeping my super 8's form factor

[@petersuvara]

Ordering all the parts. Will need to get it on my tech channel.

[@matchc0635]

Holy crap, I've been drooling over professional cinema cameras like Blackmagic URSA/pocket cinema but can't even acquire one due to price, now I know what to do after getting a 3D printer.

[@nokiaairtel5311]

The main limiting factor is the sensor. Micro43 is the minimum sensor size required in my opinion(like lumix gh5)

[@DarkTrapStudio]

why ?

[@potatorigs2155]

super 16mm like the original pocket camera could be fine imo

[@PiDsPagePrototypes]

This looks like a Pi based product has caught up to the Bolex D16 from a decade earlier. It would be interesting to see a full list of sensors with CSI2 connections that can work with this project, especially some of the Global Shutter units that go under used for action cinematographry.

[@nicolaeionescu4646]

Gamechanger for sure. It's like building your own PC, but with a Camera. I got a feeling this is going to become the norm as time goes on.

[@ihspan6892]

1Very interesting, thanks for posting

[@pedromiguelcosta9626]

I have used it and i will relese some footage . I have a build full working is amazing

[@felenov]

We had Cinelerra for a while. Now we got the CinePi. Imagine somesay the industry standard tools will become fully open source.

[@Ataraxia_Atom]

This is really cool, there is another project doing this to canon cameras called magic lantern. And there is a guy IMCE that built an enclosure for the EOSM granted he's just selling them. They're not open source unfortunately

[@dirtystax284]

you guys think they would be able to use 3ccd sensors, i really like them but there is no 3ccd camera with 1080 60p at 50mbps or higher

[@pmarzoccojr]

Wow!!! Thanks for the news

[@codemiesterbeats]

That's pretty cool I'm going to have to look into that...

[@badnewofficial]

Hey, can you please make a video about the Thorium Browser (and compare it to LibreWolf)?

[@BuildNowQuestionLater]

I've been following it for a bit and actually thinking of building one for fun/webcam (I own cinema cameras since I'm a cinematographer) and thinking of even doing a comparison video between just how close the CinePi can get to real industry cameras.

[@darkenblade986]

bro it might be good to try making this as a project on the channel and seeing the diff with what u currently have.

[@MarigoldAW]

Very interesting project. I would love to see you try and put this together and do a little photography yourself.

[@carlomacchiavello]

Do you know how many years that open source cinema camera appair? I contributed from 2014, to axiom project. After since ten years no one final product. Nice ideas but when hit the real world, real necessity, all die😢😢😢

[@ahmedp8009]

Yes! build one. The vimeo video was shaky but otherwise, the video quality is sweet.

[@junmendero5396]

Does this only record directly to the HDD? It would be even more useful if it can work as a webcam

[@corbinslaymaker3346]

get this camera bro. would love to see some 4k chicken content

[@Crftbt]

Sounds like free content building this for a youtube video. It's Free Real Estate.

[@theawesomegamer_]

I want to build one now!

[@neffffffffff]

traditional film runs at 24 FPS which would help with data. TV and home video use higher framerates which, through association with the convention, people tend to see as looking "cheaper." Most movies are still shot in 24p.

[@woopslap]

What open-source software do you use for your facecam?

[@KRAFTWERK2K6]

Sadly the RasPi4 alone is quite steep since the prices for hardware still haven't really come down and are being oversold everywhere. A future update of this system would hopefully include the ability to slide in 2,5' SSDs (preferably a dual RAID for redundancy) and i hope it would be possible to find a more convenient Battery solution that would also make it possible to run it with AA rechargeables. But everything really stands and fails with a proper image sensor and that would some additional passive and active cooling. I'm glad the project exists and hopefully grows because i love some personalized gear you put together yourself. Technology has evolved enough that even a DIY Digital Cinecamera is not impossible anymore. And that is fantastic!! And i hope this opens the market for better third party Camera Sensors specifically for such a project, tailored to the RasPi. More than the camera modules we have available so far.

[@noodlessoul8356]

Would the OrangePi work instead?

[@barneszhun4041]

1:46 In cinematography you usually use 24 to 25 fps so it could be enough.

[@ugpfpv361]

Omce they can get 4k 60 or 120 reliably and inexpensive ill really be interested! Would love to put one on my fpv drone