Wow, this gets the A7s III pretty damn close! Just did a few quick skin tone tests and this is the real deal. Show the channel some love guys, I can tell a lot of work went into this!
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
That's good to hear... glad it's working for you and thanks for the kind comment.
@philipbloom3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Paul. Super useful. I shall share!! P.S. Wanna buy my FX9? I think you need two. One as background prop and one to film you!
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant, thanks Philip. Thanks also for the offer on the 2nd FX9... I'm just trying to work out what an old FX9 is now worth. What shall we say... £900 ?
@philipbloom3 жыл бұрын
@@extrashot I think you are a zero short there!
@AgentBlackCrow3 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see you two do a colaboration video.
@AljosaMilenkovic3 жыл бұрын
So, Philip Bloom's selling his FX9. That's pretty encouraging for us poor bastards that have just bought one...
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
@@AljosaMilenkovic 😂... I recon you've still got the best camera around and I'm definitely keeping mine! Just ask Philip to get that long lens S35 shot in 4K !!!
@csgreenwooddp90833 жыл бұрын
Truly a gentleman and scholar, where do I send squid for a pint mate? You've opened the genie bottle here... I literally punched in the settings and just threw the 7Siii into the deep end of the pool on a paid gig with no testing, the minute I turned on the monitors I knew it was gold... I'm a truly grateful for your contribution to the community, frigging brilliant mate! The image is lovely.... in the edit sutie now. Bravo!
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
Wow... straight out on a paid job... that's very brave! Your confidence is appreciated and I'm pleased it's working well for you. Thanks for letting me know.
@DADA-wn2oj3 жыл бұрын
Lovely work - very under-appreciated channel..
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
Thank you... I have to agree ! 😂
@patrickvaihinger35783 жыл бұрын
I tested it directly with custom white balance With grey card. The skin tones are perfect.
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
Great to hear... thank you.
@EugeneMaynard3 жыл бұрын
Loved the red stick splitter gag Paul! 😂 Having lived in Sweden for 30+ years, I am overly sensitive to good old British humour!🙏🏾
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
Glad someone got it 😂... thanks for the comment Eugene, have a great Christmas.
@EugeneMaynard3 жыл бұрын
....and the same to you Paul! 🙏🏾
@nashhall6943 жыл бұрын
I only got my A7s3 a week ago & just tried these settings, after shooting a custom white balance I’m amazed at how accurate the tones & colours are straight out of camera! Great job. Saved me a sh#t load of time in Resolve.Thankyou🥰🙏😀👍
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant, glad it's working well for you and thanks for letting us know! 👍
@AdventuresinBackpacking3 жыл бұрын
On the Sony a7r IV, I came really close to your a73 S-Cinetone settings by using Deep Creative Style: Saturation -1, Contrast -3, and Sharpness -5. Like you stated, extrashot, nailing white balance is key. I did the same with my wife’s a73. We go back and forth and can hardly tell the difference. The key to matching our cameras though is to set a custom white balance though, to even out camera differences and lens differences. Thanks for the great work and settings!
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
That's good to know... when I get to borrow an A7R IV, I'll try those... thank you.
@MrVh783 жыл бұрын
This post has blown up on all A7s3 forums, you'll need a follow up video answering queries ;)
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
Always happy to get queries and suggestions!
@DDHDTV Жыл бұрын
this is still very helpful for A7C users, as those didn't get the s-cinetone upgrade back then!
@TwoOneSe7en3 жыл бұрын
On the cusp of Sony ACTUALLY giving us S-Cinetone on our beloved a7SIII’s, I just NOW find this video!!?? You sir, are a legend. Thank you for your hard work at this! I will rock this until I’m able to get the real S-Cinetone firmware update. Sub’d.
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Two One Se7en... very kind, and your sort of feedback makes it all worthwhile - cheers!
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
@@guerrerosdigitales Version 2 of the firmware very soon....
@MrVh783 жыл бұрын
@@extrashot 25th Feb. Less than 24 hours now...
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
@@MrVh78 Happy days!
@markfischerFPV3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for doing this and sharing so kindly. I will try this out very soon. I've had my A7siii for about 3 weeks, and been trying out different looks / profiles - but have mostly shot S Log 3 Cine thus far. (it's interesting to compare the same scene from that camera to my FS7 - and sort of "telling" what I think Sony did to their color - I assume starting with the Fs5ii). So - cheers for diving into this. The results look great in the video. Totally agree with you on WB with the A7siii - and I also immediately wondered why all my other "cinema' cameras couldn't WB so easily and effeciently.
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Mark, I hope it works well for you. The A7S3 is spot on with getting an accurate white and the FX9 is a total nightmare. I'm amazed two newish cameras from the same manufacturer could be so different! Sony were definitely late to the "filmic' colour science that RED, Canon, Panasonic and Blackmagic have been nailing for years... but at least they're getting it now!
@animaxxx44293 жыл бұрын
The day has arrived my old man. ❤️
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
Old Man... how dare you !!!??? (but seriously, you're right, it should be out tomorrow - happy days) 😂
@animaxxx44293 жыл бұрын
@@extrashot hehe 😂
@christianpokrywka90543 жыл бұрын
Between this, S-Log3, and the Leeming LUT HLG settings, I think I'm digging this the most! Thanks again for your hard work and research!
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
Oh that's great to hear. I'm pleased it's working well for you and thank you for the comment. Much appreciated!
@tomdchi123 жыл бұрын
Those greenish skin tones (and greenish everything else at times) are what has turned me off from Sony across the line for years. But colors I'm seeing from the A7SIII and FX6 have been much, much more appealing. I'm not really the market that Sony is going for with the FX9 but I'd still second the call for them to tweak the FX9 to be more like the FX6 and A7SIII color-wise. That said, as a Sony-semi-skeptic, what you're showing from the FX9 and A7SIII looks great, and they're an excellent match.
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Thomas, I do agree that standard Sony colours have been a bit 'off' for years. It's like they got stuck with the 1980's REC709 from TV studio cameras. But to be fair, things started to change with the Venice and now we're seeing the effects of that 'look' filter down throughout the range. Now the A7S3/FX6 colours are right up there with the best from anyone. With everyone shooting Log or Raw it shouldn't matter so much, but colours out of the box really do help sell cameras. I'm just surprised it's taken them this long!
@Tommygardh3 жыл бұрын
Your settings makes the A7Sii look soooo close to that beautiful Cinetone-S! Thank you so much! Very appreciated!
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
You're welcome... hope it works well for you.
@loudandclearmedia3 жыл бұрын
You have answered one of my biggest questions about A7Siii. Although I've heard several people say the A7Siii would be a perfect B cam to the FX6/9, my initial thought has always been "yeah, but I want to use the Venice colors." Seriously, well done!
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Loud&Clear... mine is supposed to be a perfect B cam, but I'm trying to justify why it shouldn't be an A cam on most jobs !!!
@loudandclearmedia3 жыл бұрын
@@extrashot Oh, that's an easy one...you don't want to be the dickhead showing up to a commercial video shoot with a "DSLR." Sad, but true...the bigger your rig is, the more credible you look. It's actually the ONLY reason I still hump around my RED Dragon-X to some jobs.
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
@@loudandclearmedia Sad, but very true!
@steveshields90713 жыл бұрын
@@loudandclearmedia Perfectly said. I can't tell you how many jobs I've done that on! I actually did a test once just to see if the client would notice the difference between a "big" camera and the mirrorless and they actually chose the mirrorless!! Of course I didn't tell them! HA! "Reality is irrelevant, perception is everything"
@MrVh783 жыл бұрын
CONGRATS!! your trick worked! Sony is updating the A7S3 with S-cinetone on a firmware update anytime now!!! Thanks
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
Really !!! I haven't seen that... do you have a link?
@osaspro3 жыл бұрын
Yeah... I just update but can't find the S cinetone in there...What is it called.?
@bulentbab3 жыл бұрын
@@extrashot not yet
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
@@osaspro It will be PP11 on firmware v2.0
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
@@guerrerosdigitales I'm told It'll be out tomorrow (25th Feb)... part of firmware version 2. It's called ILCE7SM3v200
@grafpez3 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for your dedicated hard work and sharing! Sony please listen. Quicktip: some cameras balance better if you deliberately defocus the image to have an even soft sample.
@scottgmaclean3 жыл бұрын
“Inundated with three or four requests...” 😂 - your channel is great! Keep up the great content. I hope you get a chance to play with a Canon c70 and give your thoughts... I just took delivery of mine and look forward to your sage insights. Also, Merry Christmas.
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Scott... I'd love to play with the C70. I've heard good things so I need to borrow one asap. At least you get to play with it over Christmas... enjoy, and have a good one! 👍
@scottgmaclean3 жыл бұрын
@@extrashot Thanks Paul... the colours you have been able to get out of the FX9 and A7SIII (as demonstrated in this video) gave me pause, but the C70 looks the most user-friendly for someone making the jump from a GH5. Plus I do like the organic look some seem to have achieved with the DGO sensor and C-log combo. Can't wait to dive in.
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
@@scottgmaclean That sensor is a peach... especially for dynamic range!
@derkoekje3 жыл бұрын
Unlike the A7III which really struggled with these settings, this looks absolutely spot-on. The skin tones are a fantastic match and look brilliant. I can tell you spent a long tweaking it, my hat is off to you. Do you think it's the 10 bit 4:2:2 that is making this difference possible?
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
Thank you... it's really good to hear the skin tones are working well for you. I suspect you may be right about the 10bit 4:2:2... it definitely makes a visible difference to what we can do with the colours.
@MikeEbrahimi3 жыл бұрын
This is the best cine video settings I’ve seen for A7siii. Thank you.
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
Thats great to hear... thank you so much for the comment. Have a great holiday!
@raalaa12111 ай бұрын
Just set my A7R IV up with these settings and I have the actual S Cinetone profile on my A7S III with the firmware update
@Hiro_HIRO_1663 жыл бұрын
0:00 Intro 3:52 Sample 5:18 Setting
@poman9113 жыл бұрын
I have the a7III and the a7S3 and spent 2 days trying to match them in HLG. White balance is critical for matching. In any case I'm going to use your settings as it seems more forgiving. For bright sunlight or low light work, I tend to use SLOG3 as they grade really nicely.
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
You'll always get more dynamic range from Slog3... and possibly a better Cinetone with a good LUT. The whole S-Cinetone thing is designed for those times when you need usable pictures straight out of the camera. I have a few clients that don't want to be bothered with grading etc... so I need it for them. Hope the settings work well for you.
@The22Century3 жыл бұрын
Amazing work! Came here from Harv's channel. I really like the result definitely going to use it.
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Bello... I didn't realise he'd done something about it... that's kind, cheers.
@AllCarsUnited3 жыл бұрын
Took canon and nikon jumping on the mirrorless train to get sony to finally address some of their color issues. It's kind of frustrating if you think about it. Sony apparently didn't really care about what people thought until they started seeing competition. It's been the Sony's cripple hammer. It's amazing how different my A7s3 looks next to my a7r3, especially considering the r is only a few years old.
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
True... I'm convinced it was their history in matching old TV cameras that made them so late to appreciate the new 'filmic' type looks that everyone else was getting into. Virtually everyone else has had lovely looking colour science for quite some time now.... RED, Canon, Panasonic, Blackmagic, have all nailed it before Sony realised the importance of making something usable straight out of the camera. At least they've caught up now !!!
@Brucelabvideos2 жыл бұрын
Outstanding! Thank you for the clear tutorial and your diligence in creating these setting adjustments and your willingness to share so freely. Nicely done.
@bentheremedia30113 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this!! My only question now is do you have any tips for nailing exposure with these settings? I've been using Paul Leeming's LUTs with SLog3 and the ETTR (expose to the right) method with my zebras set at Lower Limit 94+ which he has listed in his manual. I know in some video environments, people will set their zebras at around 70 and then expose until they get zebras on the subjects skin. Do you have any tricks like that for nailing exposure with these settings? Thanks so much! Subbed!
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
Hi Ben, I used to ETTR with my A73 and even the old F5 simply because you needed to overexpose a little so you could lower the pictures in post and therefore lower the noise in the shadows. I'm not convinced you need to do it with the latest Sony sensors because they are so clean, even in the shadows. As long as you don't go mad with the higher ISO's... The original Sony cameras wouldn't allow any noise reduction when using Slog, but now the A7S3 won't let you turn noise reduction off !!! I've been setting my zebras to 70% and just getting a tickle of zebras on the hot spots... which for me is trying to nail the exposure in camera! Best thing is do a few tests and see what you prefer... just keep an eye out for noise in the shadow areas.
@bentheremedia30113 жыл бұрын
@@extrashot This is great stuff, thank you so much!!
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
@@bentheremedia3011 Thank you... you've given me an idea for another video at some point!
@keifer393 жыл бұрын
I probably will never know how close these settings are to the look of the FX9 or FX6 but I tried these setting with my A7c and they look fantastic! Thank you!
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
That's good to know... thank you!
@maguyvermedia3 жыл бұрын
You nailed it with this one, I'm using a Sigma 24-70 on a6600 and have found Cine4 with Pro color the most accurate colortones out of camera with pleasing skintones I have a library with colorful books, a game room full of memorabilia, a craft room full of color marking pens and a hotwheels collection in the same room as the library of books, using a custom 5100 whitebalance and shifting to G & A this combo nails it with minimal adjustment, when you have all the color references I have it's easy to dial in the door ask the 6 primary colors and then check aquatones, golds, oranges and yellows thanks again for your content this along with Phil Blooms FX9 review and autofucus testing made a quantum leap in image quality for my S35 shooter, even after watching Gerald Undones Sony picture profiles vid several times, this is the one...p.s. the color depth settings need to be at +7 when adjusted +7being darkest to lightest, it's easy to see this when comparing viewfinder to real life to get the colors accurate, keep up the good work @MaguyverMedia
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Tony, it's very kind of you to comment and great to hear you're enjoying the quality. I'm also a big fan of Gerald Undone's attention to detail. When you need to know what's going on, he's the man! Take care.
@NJBROTHA2K3 жыл бұрын
I just love this man. No matter videos that popup on my timeline I have to watch.
@DaisysWorld1923 жыл бұрын
Great video sir! Will I have to do a custom WB with these settings? Also does it matter what PP I use? Thanks and subscribed!
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
A custom white balance is essential if you are matching Cinetone with another camera, but not so vital if you're just after a good looking solo picture. You can use any PP as they are all the same. They're just memory positions for custom profiles... if you muck one up, there's a reset function at the bottom of each menu which puts it back into the default profile. I believe the official S-Cinetone from Sony will be in a new PP11 position! Thanks for the kind comment, it's appreciated.
@dogsterooni3 жыл бұрын
just amazing I really appreciate your efforts
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Doug, very kind!
@colorsigma1013 жыл бұрын
Well done, next episode alexa look on A7S III ! :p
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
😂Good idea.... actually, I'm starting to like the Venice s709 look almost as much!
@adamblaster3 жыл бұрын
Shoot SLog 3 and use the fantastic Phantom LUTs to get close to the Alexa look
@ChrisMitchells_FlyingCameras3 жыл бұрын
I'm so happy that I found this video and your channel! I plugged in your numbers into PP10 in my 7siii. I don't even know enough about these setting to call myself an amateur yet but I'm getting there and I love my brand new 7siii!! Thank you for this! SUBSCRIBED.
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your comment... it's great to hear and well appreciated!
@KeithSklower3 жыл бұрын
I'm wondering if would be possible to derive a LUT, or list settings for one of the NLE's (Final Cut, Premier, Davinci, or Nitrate - but not all of them, of course) that would turn SLog3/S-cinetone3 into S-Cinetone? I understand this is contrary to the convenience of looking good right out of the box ....
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
Oh there definitely already is... s709 is the official Sony Venice LUT, which should get you in the ball park, but Alister Chapman has done some much better ones here: www.xdcam-user.com/picture-settings-and-luts/ or www.xdcam-user.com/2020/01/new-s709-lut-for-the-fx9-thats-less-green-than-the-sony-lut/ Just buy him a coffee if you find them useful.
@KeithSklower3 жыл бұрын
@@extrashot , Wow, thanks much for the quick reply and good news.
@PawelVlogs3 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU! Great settings. Using footage straight out of camera.
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
That's good to hear... thanks for letting us know. Take care.
@glenjfilms18353 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this. This was my job for on my holiday next week. Now I can focus on margaritas instead! Love your work,
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
Thank you... enjoy the holiday!
@sebastienreichenbach13333 жыл бұрын
Thank you SO MUCH ! The colors are amazing.
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the feedback... much appreciated.
@Scriptfella3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant and very generous of you to share. Not everyone with your knowledge and experience would do this as a freebie (EOSHD I'm talking to you). One question please - I'm buying an A73S for my first documentary, and am a little apprehensive about mastering SLOG which needs to be ETTR overexposed etc. For an indoor interview with controlled, moody cinematic low key lighting, would it be okay to shoot in Cine 4? I'd love to shoot the whole thing in S Cinetone and be done with it but worry about grading flexibility later. Blue sky dreaming, if the doc gets sold and goes on Netflix - will they demand the whole thing is SLOGGED up to the eyeballs? Thanks Dominic
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
If you have the chance to do a proper grade afterwards or need more than 11 stops of dynamic range, then shooting LOG is always going to be more flexible, easier to match, and Netflix would probably prefer it! However, the whole ETTR thing is not so important with the latest Sony sensors (FX9, FX6 etc) which are much cleaner... especially the A7S3 because you can't turn the noise reduction off. The only reason you normally over expose is to clean the noise from the shadows because you are dropping the levels in post. Cinetone is really a profile which is intended to make it easy to use the pictures straight out of the camera without grading. A few of my clients only want to do a slight tweak at most! Thanks for the comment, really appreciated.
@Scriptfella3 жыл бұрын
@@extrashot Thanks for the clarification. I'm a huge fan of your work - just up the road in Winchester.
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
@@Scriptfella I've just become a fan of yours! - love what you're doing with your channel and really useful to watch your advice on negotiating. You're probably not surprised to learn how much applies to crews and hiring of DOPs etc. Should be a must watch for anyone in the industry and your honesty on the figures is refreshing. Also nice to hear you're just up the road... let me know when you get the next Netflix deal and need a DOP !!! 😂
@Scriptfella3 жыл бұрын
@@extrashot thanks, v glad you're enjoying my vids and that they're relevant to filmmakers as well as screenwriters. I will absolutely keep you in mind for my planned doc - all the participants happen to live in your home town...Let's have a chat in Jan. Just sent you a linkedin connection request. D
@HGQjazz3 жыл бұрын
I'm gonna try these settings on my A7C and try to match it to my A6400 (using A7iii part 2 settings). We'll see!
@AbrahamTario3 жыл бұрын
So what would be best for the white balance?
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
There's no specific value... they just have to be the same if you're matching two cameras (or as close and correct as possible).
@MrVh783 жыл бұрын
UPDATE IS NOW AVAILABLE!!
@armando.visuals3 жыл бұрын
Yeap! He did it! He made sony be like: Fuck it!!! lets give it to them! lol
@robinmc1233 жыл бұрын
You Sir are knight!!! You have rode in to save the day!
@nessofilms3 жыл бұрын
Hey, great stuff you've got on your channel. Subscibed! I was wondering if you could do an A7S III version for slog3 s-cinetone and another your favourite profile using s log3, since we've got 10bit now :) Thanks.
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the sub... really appreciated. Not sure what you mean... is it the LUT you ned to put over Slog in the edit?
@jimr8793 жыл бұрын
@@extrashot that video would get many views, at least mine, thanks for this one too, love your videos:)
@BriangjohnsonTv3 жыл бұрын
So very generous.
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
Cheers Brian.
@TheEverythingMan3 жыл бұрын
Nice work, i appreciate the effort
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
... and I appreciate the comment. Thank you!
@RuXsel3 жыл бұрын
I wish i knew this before the a7siii update 😭..subbed 🙌
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
Still, you've found it now... and the sub is really appreciated, thank you!
@AM-bq4cx3 жыл бұрын
Excellent work. It clearly shows ur indepth knowledge and understanding of colour science. Super work and many thanks for share it with the community. Much Gratitude. Pls also do a review of Fuji XT4 and check its Eterna profile. May be u can guide some better setup for video on it as well. Keep up the good work. God bless u
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
You're welcome and thank you for the kind comment... much appreciated! I've heard good things about the Fuji's with that Eterna profile but never played with it myself. Maybe I should.
@Hangs4Fun3 жыл бұрын
Been waiting for this video, thank you so much. (I can think of a website or two, who sell these settings, so thank you for that). A subscription from me you already had, so I will share this video in all of the places I go. Cheers, have a great day!
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing, and the kind comment. It's appreciated!
@Hangs4Fun3 жыл бұрын
@@extrashot hey Paul I looked for an email to send you a business question. Any chance you could share and then remove? I totally understand if not. Have a great day!
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
@@Hangs4Fun Hi Chris, No worries... it's on my about page... that's the best one to use.
@bromoboy3 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate your hard work to match them, and you deserve 1 million like
@eatiq3 жыл бұрын
You sir are an absolute legend! Myself and many people appreciate the hard work you have put in!
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
Thank you... too kind!
@eatiq3 жыл бұрын
@@extrashot Absolutely! Would love to see more videos on custom picture profile settings for the A7SIII, recreating looks from other Cinema cameras (the Arri's and the Red's of the world.) Something I struggle to find with your level of attention to detail. Godspeed good sir!
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
@@eatiq That's a good idea... but would involve borrowing a few Cinema cameras of the world!
@eatiq3 жыл бұрын
@@extrashot let it be said if I had any you would be more than welcome to borrow. Perhaps it helps to have some really influential friends, Philip Bloom perhaps 😅
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
@@eatiq 😂
@whatalexdid3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this I really appreciate all of the effort you went to to make this. I have been an A6500 shooter for so long using Cine 4 and have just picked up the A7Siii so I’m going to give these settings a go today.. First time viewer here but instantly subscribed after watching this. Thank you and happy new year 😀
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
Cheers Alex, and thank you for the sub, it's really appreciated. Happy New Year to you too!
@whatalexdid3 жыл бұрын
@@extrashot quick update, I used these settings and found it much easier to work with than SLOG 3, so thank you soo so much!!
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
@@whatalexdid That's great, thanks for letting us know!
@MotionTips3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for doing this
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
You're welcome... and I hope it works well for you.
@User_not_found_4033 жыл бұрын
Amazing video! Appreciate the research and testing that went into these settings. Would love to see you adapt these for newly released Sony ZV-E10 - want to be able to use that nice budget cam to match footage on my FX3.
@VidHeadz3 жыл бұрын
I love this, thank you so much for being transparent with the settings. I shot my last KZbin Video with these settings and it was just a tweak in saturation and Done.
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
That's good to hear... thanks for letting us know, appreciated!
@senkathakali3 жыл бұрын
Thank u so much I love this video thanks for giving an slog 3 replacement because slog 3 creates a lot of problems for me on my editing software (filmora) so thanks so much ur research and work has been so beneficial for so many people so I just wanna thank u
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
You are very welcome... and thank you for the kind comment, it's appreciated!
@ScoobieDee3 жыл бұрын
Very good thanks ... are you related to Phillip Bloom !
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
Stop it.... I get that a lot !!!
@AgentBlackCrow3 жыл бұрын
@@extrashot seem to remember that PB mentioned you in one of his videos 😀
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
@@AgentBlackCrow We've known each other for many years! 👍
@eaquiros83 жыл бұрын
This looks great, can’t wait to test it out. Thank you!!
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
Cheers Eric, let us know how it works for you.
@FARKINGFILM3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for all the time and effort you put in to this. I cant update the firmware for my As7II as I am running Big Sur on Mac - this has given me the opportunity to film in Cinetone today and oh the shots look gorgeous!
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I'm also running Big Sur and had to make a bootable version of Catalina on a USB stick. It's not difficult if you search for "running an old osx version on a usb stick"
@13StopsPocketFilms3 жыл бұрын
This is gold! Couldn’t hit that sub button fast enough. Thank you.
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the comment and the sub... much appreciated!
@paulanderegg55363 жыл бұрын
The white balance on my Sony Z90 works similarly...it doesn't use a center spot or box, it simply averages the enntire frame! There is a benefit to it with run and gun, in that you can press the wb SET over and over in wide angle, or in your needed framing, and move around a bit each tim euntil your white appears how you like it. Imagine this when dealing with petrol station or other weird kelvin and green lighting, and having only moments to get a usable white.
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
Ha.... I know exactly what you mean. I also remember using cameras where I could move around looking for the white I want. I shot News for a few years and this was quite useful. How about a compromise of still having a small box... but make it a little larger for those who want to average a balance?
@paulanderegg55363 жыл бұрын
@@extrashot DIRECT MENU WB option that allows scrolling up and down for kelvin, as well as left to right for magenta/green adjustment ;-)
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
@@paulanderegg5536 Hi Paul... I tried to reply about a -10 black level issue you were having on the news shoot... did you delete it? On my scopes... I merely adjusted the black levels of the A7S3 to match those that were being output from the FX9 running S-Cinetone. Just to clarify... from the S-Cinetone White Paper it says: "The base curve of S-Cinetone is BT.709, but it adopted some essences of film-tone. It has high contrast tone in the low luminance levels and low contrast tone in the high luminance levels. The black level is lower than s709 and STD5 (R709)." "The black level of S-Cinetone is 1.5 % video level. It’s a bit lower than that of traditional video. Together with the low-light characteristics mentioned above, the black level is adjusted so that the darkest shadow area of objects might be just invisible. However, it is not clipped completely, so it could be made visible by setting the black to a higher level, e.g. 3%."
@paulanderegg55363 жыл бұрын
@@extrashot It appears that the "superblacks" are recoverable by elevating shadows in post...I was just not sure if this was expected or intentional, as you typically don't see profiles putting informartion below 0%. scontent.fsan1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/131943323_3504760036299237_2243840939926519118_o.jpg?_nc_cat=101&ccb=2&_nc_sid=dbeb18&_nc_ohc=OBeiRRt75McAX-TViwq&_nc_ht=scontent.fsan1-2.fna&oh=9f33b6b6078cf935a40eff0104f15c73&oe=6003CF89
@willkraft57343 жыл бұрын
You’re a true hero!
@ondrejjanoska6603 жыл бұрын
I just like your channel ...not owning any of these cameras yet ....hopefully fx6 soon.
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
Thank you... and for real cine cameras, the FX6 is pretty much unbeatable value. Looks amazing and arguably better than the A7Siii ?
@ramdogproductions3 жыл бұрын
Very inspiring info for all of us. Happy holidays!!
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
Very kind... and I hope your holidays are happy too!
@asura023 жыл бұрын
I was trying similar settings but with cine2 instead of cine4, so I don't have to bother with superwhites. Thanks for your efforts, great video.
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
Good point... the Gamma won't quite be as close to the Cinetone but the colours should be okay. I'm taking another look at the knee settings to make it more broadcast safe!
@asura023 жыл бұрын
@@extrashot yeah fixed knee can be tricky sometimes, can't wait to see the results of your tests. You got a new subscriber :)
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
@@asura02 Thank you... it's appreciated!
@CRISSBLAZINY3 жыл бұрын
This is great!!!
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@pizzablender3 жыл бұрын
These parameters are available on the A6500 as well. Didn't try them yet though.
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
What... you've tapped these numbers into an A6500 or it's available elsewhere? Love to know how you get on.
@manitoumusicart62773 жыл бұрын
Hi. Why do people want to mimic FX9 colors? Is it because they are considered a standard-bearer, or because of a need to match two cameras?
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
It's because the FX9 offers us S-Cinetone colours, which are meant to mimic the Sony Venice, which looks wonderful and most of us can't afford !!! (it also helps when matching two Sony cameras with usable pictures that you know clients won't grade)
@manitoumusicart62773 жыл бұрын
@@extrashot Thanks so much!
@willy02973 жыл бұрын
Any update on the "S-Cinetone" hack for Sony A7 III or prior models compared to the currently released S-Cinetone on A7S III?
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
The version 2 is proving popular: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nYO8eGiHgL2FiZY I'm trying to arrange a big test of a few cameras together... hopefully soon.
@TheAppalit3 жыл бұрын
Hi Paul, thank you for this detailed video. I am mid-level / beginnet, who fancied the 7siii and bought 😁❤️. Now I am learning along the way. And this was super helpful. Quick question - if we have to use this setting. Do I need to check for white balance every time ? Or does auto white balance do the trick ?
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
Hi Arindam, The auto white on the A7S3 does a great job but it could shift mid shot depending on the lighting conditions. Personally, I would rather the white setting be fixed correctly and let the colour of the light change naturally within each scene. ie. lock the white for each location. It'll also be much easier to match in the edit if it's not constantly changing as the camera moves. However, if someone is just using one camera on a single shot... like a vlog, then none of this applies and auto white can be really useful... in which case, just ignore everything I've said !!! Take care.
@tecnolatino55523 жыл бұрын
Great video, thanks for sharing. I’ll try your settings.
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@norbutsering68073 жыл бұрын
Can you please make S-Cinetone settings for Sony a7c. Thanks 👍
@BigBernie_OG2 жыл бұрын
did you find a good S-cinetone for A7C?
@digital7113 жыл бұрын
This is superb! Thanks very much - I’ve been spruiking your channel everywhere. Hopefully you’ve been getting a subscriber / viewer bump 😀
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant Shane... thank you, it's appreciated!
@ashransaid2 жыл бұрын
This settings looks lovely on a7c!!
@BigBernie_OG2 жыл бұрын
did you try it on A7C?
@BigBernie_OG2 жыл бұрын
Which one is better this one or the A7III settings?
@illdaddyrod3 жыл бұрын
This is awesome and really appreciated. They match perfectly with your fx9! Thank you so much for sharing. Subscribed and liked.
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the comment and the sub... really appreciated. Welcome on board!
@pk-meedia78043 жыл бұрын
Nice work! How would You expose ? Zebra highlight values 100% ? ETTR ?
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
The A7S3 is so clean (with noise reduction you can't turn off)... I'm not sure you need to ETTR even with Log. Obviously, this Cinetone profile is meant to be used straight out of camera, so best to expose as close to perfect as you can!
@Scriptfella3 жыл бұрын
@@extrashot You can expose SLOG on the A73 normally???? - I'd LOVE that to be the case. Any chance you could made a video about that, comparing the results with ETTR and without. Big ask but that would be epic .I hate the whole ETTR thing....
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
@@Scriptfella Good idea... it's just about the noise in the shadows. You over expose a bit so you can lower the levels in post thereby lowering the noise as well. As long as you've not gone mad with the ISO, the shadows are amazingly clean on my A7S3, so no need to ETTR.
@Scriptfella3 жыл бұрын
@@extrashot This is great news for me, thanks.
@RandomCornerUK3 жыл бұрын
Really cool video and tip! Subscribed ! Thanks for sharing this :)
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the sub, and the comment, really appreciated.
@itsjustsamslife3 жыл бұрын
This is a bloody good video mate! Also, that gag @4:56 was priceless 😆
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Sam.... hope you're well and still managing to shoot?
@itsjustsamslife3 жыл бұрын
@@extrashot very well thank you! Always out with the camera even in the current climate!
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
@@itsjustsamslife Nice one... take care.
@qusp25653 жыл бұрын
Thanks For the Extra Shot ... very nice of you
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
Cheers, you're welcome!
@alfredodelfino13 жыл бұрын
thank you, very good your tutorial
@FranckBourrel2 жыл бұрын
Yes ! Thanks a lot !!!!! Great stuff !
@takesan04283 жыл бұрын
Good setting!
@hwa_lee3 жыл бұрын
Amazing. What would be the zebra setting for Cine 4 would you say? 100% like Cine 2? 109% like Cine 1?
@ResizeFilms3 жыл бұрын
Cine 4 is more contrasty than Cine 2, I wouldn’t go over 100%. Greetings
@adamblaster3 жыл бұрын
My previous research on this topic led me to Alister Chapman’s view on Cinegammas and that you’d UNDERexpose by 1-1.5 stops.
@steveshields90713 жыл бұрын
Great video!! Thank you so much for the work you put in on this!! I will be updating my settings on both the A7III and the A7SIII, which brings me to my question, do you feel like these two cameras will match each other based on these settings? Liked the video and subscribed as well. Thank you again.
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Steve, In theory, you should get a close match using these settings on the A7S3 and the previous video numbers for the A73. However, it's much harder to get an exact match with the A73, simply because the video codec is 8bit 4:2:0... so not as much wiggle room before things fall apart!
@rjackson51912 жыл бұрын
QQ I was trying your settings on a RX100 VII. The only choices for Gamma are Cine1 & 2. I’m going to give it a try with Cine2 but was wondering what your thoughts are on that setting. I just found your channel the other day and have been really enjoying your content. Thanks
@rlgrant003 жыл бұрын
Great video and thank you for sharing your findings! I am definitely going to try this. In terms of exposure, do we have to overexpose like in slog3 or expose normally?
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
Thank you... no, you don't need to slightly overexpose with this profile as it's designed to be used straight out of camera. I'm not convinced we need to ETTR with SLog3 on the latest Sony cameras - FX9, FX6, A7S3. The reason we used to do it was to reduce the noise in the shadows. Because you were over exposing in camera, you could then bring the levels down in the edit which had the happy effect of bringing the noise down as well. The latest cameras are so clean, it's debatable whether we still need to do this at all?
@dimanKu3 жыл бұрын
The day has come, official s cinetone on a7siii
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
...and gone... but it was a good day!
@menoats3 жыл бұрын
Mark, thank you so much for this. You nailed it! This is amazing!
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
Cheers!
@armando.visuals3 жыл бұрын
You did it man! You made Sony be like: Fuck it !!! lets just give it to them! lol
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
Doubt it was anything to do with me.... but I can dream!
@olly58963 жыл бұрын
Amazing work!!!!!
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Olly... appreciated!
@dawuddawid3 жыл бұрын
Great follow up to the first video. Might be worth looking into the a7III again since Pro Color Mode is available on that camera as well. I was a little surprised when you said it's not :-) Maybe you could do an updated video... And i and many people to that day are using the a7III as their main camera and would love to see the S-Cinetone PP for quick results and that beautiful colours. Cheers
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
You make a good point and you're not the first to suggest another look at the A7iii.... I'll work on it.
@dawuddawid3 жыл бұрын
@@extrashot Great, thank you for answering. I am just waiting for the updated a7III to pop up in my notifications😁
@hellohogo3 жыл бұрын
this is excellent. instant sub. thank you.
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
Thank you... it's appreciated.
@BUONCO3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
You're welcome!
@markredanphotography61223 жыл бұрын
THIS IS IN CREDIBLE man...Thanks a brunch!
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
... and thank you for the kind comment, it's appreciated!
@PursuitPerfectSystem3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this really appreciate it
@RANIZM3 жыл бұрын
Great informative content 👏🏽👏🏽 thanks subscribed + liked + will share it
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
Thank you.. it's appreciated!
@slimytoenails3 жыл бұрын
Amazing, thank you! If I were to want to match my A7rIII and A6600 to my A7sIII with your cinetone settings, would it be best to use the settings from the previous A7III video?
@extrashot3 жыл бұрын
I honestly don't know... I haven't tried to match the A7Riii or the A6600 to Cinetone, and so far, each camera model looks to be a little different. You're not the first to ask about settings for the A6600 so I'll see if I can borrow one to get a match asap.