Circle picking + Economy picking = ultimate efficiency

A little demonstration of the combination of two techniques that will make you achieve insane speed !

[@LemonheadFr]

Hi everyone ! First, thank you all for watching, and for the positive feedbacks ! I hope it will help you understand this technique, and that you'll find new ideas and cool stuff to work with ! Just to be clear, i do NOT say this is the perfect right hand technique. It is just a "tool" that is very handy in some cases, but not the best option in others, so don't worry if you can't play it for some reasons, there are many more ways to pick. Just have fun, do your best, and enjoy playing, because guitar is a beautiful thing, and it should make you feel good. Cheers !

[@mnc3428]

Grazie mille per il gentile pensiero💪hai detto anche delle cose molto sacre

[@השתין]

Popped up in my recommended today

[@grannywalter]

You first showed the picking in the lick as d, u, d, d, but then proceeded to play it not only starting on a different note but using full alternate picking instead. It was very confusing, I had to watch at 0.25 speed to figure out what was happening, and saw that the lowest note was an upstroke and not a downstroke like you were demonstrating slowly. And you don't even demonstrate the whole lick, you show four notes, like it's a 4/4 thing, but then you loop it by adding two extra notes and it becomes a triplet/sextuplet thing. I mean, you're obviously an amazing guitarist, but as an instructional video this is pretty bad. Just imagine a complete beginner player sees this and tries to figure it out. They're likely going to get frustrated and discouraged.

[@LemonheadFr]

​@@grannywalter Hi, you are right, as a few other people mentionned, the fast part is indeed alternate picking, but the main focus of this video is still circle picking, so the second part behing alternate picking is not a big deal, since I feel it is not what people are looking for when watching this. But I understand it can be deceiving, and I'm really sorry for that. This video was not meant to be an instructionnal video, just some kind of not serious flex/private joke for my guitarists friends on facebook, but I uploaded it on KZbin without thinking too much about it, and now 6 years later it's blowing up. I will upload a more accurate and detailed video, until then I hope you still found something interesting with this one. cheers !

[@grannywalter]

@@LemonheadFr Alright, cool! Maybe show some applications of the d,d picking when changing strings too as a separate video, that would be interesting. Cheers!

[@iqiyi1928]

Its been 6-7 long years man. Hope youre doing great and still shreds. 2015/2016 is great years to be alive

[@LemonheadFr]

Thx ! I'm still into guitar as much as the day I started playing, I'll shred until I die ! Cheers, take care !

[@rishabsrivatsa8919]

@@LemonheadFr good to hear bro

[@pandutresnalaga13]

This is one wholesome reply

[@justadrian3890]

Let's goo

[@TothLaszlo77]

this is the wholesome content I was looking for

[@hesedchristianconda3479]

Helpful Short No bullshit Actually looks impressive Why isnt this blowing up yet

[@LemonheadFr]

Hi, thank you ! I'm glad you enjoyed it, I hope it helped ! Actually, this video is blowing up, for the past 6 years it barely made any views, and out of nowhere I gained more than 40000 views in two weeks, which is crazy, and I'm grateful for that.

[@nithe7330]

animals as leaders

[@Abyssal_Eel]

all that with literally not a single word spoken

[@CottidaeSEA]

@@LemonheadFr KZbin algorithm is crazy

[@KingFilth]

I love how you started uploading

[@LemonheadFr]

Haha, yes, I gained a lot of views and followers in the past weeks, and the feedbacks are very positive, so I though I could try to bring more content to this channel ! Anyway, thanks for watching !

[@doomslayer_ch4280]

god, i just realized how helpful this is gonna be, time to shred some berried alive solos!! thank you, keep on shredding!

[@smallboto]

Damn I can’t still wrap my head around that 2015 was 6 years ago.

[@Priyanujkalita-z4t]

Actually it's 7 years old

[@damntrain5145]

bro we're so old now 😭😭😭

[@ilikevideos4868]

I don't know why this was recommended but I'm glad it was

[@LemonheadFr]

So am I ! Thanks for watching !

[@lush8515]

Also it delivers direct to the point without any procrastinate unlike theses days youtube lesson videos

[@DomesticTruther]

For some reason this came real natural to me. I was obsessed though when I got back into it.. after years, air picking out songs in the car on the steering wheel, of course with a pick in hand, don't drop it, work on those neural networks between brain and hand... good stuff man

[@felwinterslie8223]

Don't really know what to say, this is basically a comment for the algorithm. This is really cool and deserves to go viral.

[@SG_____]

That is very clean sounding for distortion.

[@medmusic7977]

Thank you Francois, never thought a french guitarist would help someday.

[@stephenbeard4747]

Holy god damn where has this been all my life

[@MaxMeinz]

Man the circular technique is really cool, i tried researching it and couldn't really find much about it

[@toneseeker87]

Eric Johnson is doing it also.

[@leonarddurand5442]

Thx bro !

[@LemonheadFr]

De rien !

[@denyfixe1000]

You is INCREADIBLE

[@Kenlac92]

I have been playing for 14 years. Im speechless right now my life is a lie.

[@RandomPerson-ui3xv]

when i was a beginner fade to black solo was a pain in the ass to play but then i learned how to circle pick and everything went smooth as butter

[@ThatHuskyisCrazy]

Larry Coryell was into circle picking.

[@raulmira6092]

This shits a game changer

[@ДанишБалгабаев]

Wow 👍

[@assermoemen9905]

i started doing this 3 months ago without even noticing it, wow

[@hughjanus6041]

Good stuff bro

[@eirik8134]

This is epic!

[@wjdfhr57]

👍

[@hms2407]

Technique masterclass speedrun

[@lush8515]

I immediately got sounds better than my 15 years of chromatic practice lol

[@Svenlec]

Road to million !

[@LemonheadFr]

Allez 200000 ça sera déjà pas mal !

[@damienrobertson4356]

Cool trick! Hope this vid gets more views

[@ltbingus]

The KZbin algorithm has chosen you

[@cr4957]

Takayoshi Ohmura uses circular picking to play those insanely fast lines. I also noticed that the Indian Sitar technique is based on finger motion instead o using the wrist

[@tabbe8617]

We have the same guitarr🔥

[@LemonheadFr]

Strats are the bests !

[@misdesk9148]

Keys to the Tesla?

[@Jade_VileHxC]

Can’t do that due to my injury

[@LemonheadFr]

I'm sorry for you, but there are many more interesting picking techniques to do !

[@matthewtop]

Thats kinda how Frank Zappa did it I think!

[@LemonheadFr]

Really ? I'll have to dig it !

[@chickenpotatogod]

Almost sounds like sweep

[@kjl3080]

I don't think there's legato there, it looks like you're just circle picking, not economy picking at all

[@LemonheadFr]

You're right, actually I do economy picking for the first slow example, then it is alternate picking. But I made a short video where I demonstrate economy picking, if you are interested !

[@denmun9722]

So cool to see.... I've always knew in my head that this would be an efficient method... Perhaps it was lack of skill or incorrect approach, but I basically abandoned attempting this technique.. mostly because it just wasn't working for me and I thought it was just my crazy brain wishful thinking haha.

[@iqiyi1928]

Youre a genius sir. Dont abandon what your brain tries to tell you

[@denmun9722]

@@iqiyi1928 no genius, but trusting my gut has never failed me yet. It's only when I ignore it that probs arise

[@stephendurrant5790]

Can you do a bigger run to showcase this technique please

[@ZKMsphere]

I always hated playing with a pick so everything I did with my nails, even shredding. Until 1.5 months ago I broke my nails which scared the living shit out me enough for me to start using pick and I found a way of holding it to mimic the angle of my nails and it felt it so much faster and efficient I thought I was inventing some new technique but nah I guess its just circle picking

[@theexplores7071]

That's the same gutait I have

[@Mandrahale]

Held the pick and played that style when I first took lessons. My teacher told me to stop. I didn’t listen. Glad I didn’t…

[@johnscott2076]

This is how I pick My nose

[@nizami8500]

maşallah

[@kludgybrains3459]

It's fucking genius

[@josephjoyce2760]

This guy must be so good at writing 'w' on paper

[@llluuuyyyooo]

Hi!, can you make a tab of the fast part?, i cant figure if it is legato or alternate picking on the second string when you speed up. Thanks!

[@LemonheadFr]

Hi ! There's no legato here, every note is picked ! I hit the E string with a down stroke, and the B string with up-down-up. the tab is: e--15--------------------------15---------------------------15 b------18-16-15-16-18-------18-16-15-16-18-------- etc

[@llluuuyyyooo]

Oh i love you man (joke) ja. I thought you ll never gonna answer me n you did it too soon!!!. Thank you very much! Lets Shred

[@nunofrg]

@@LemonheadFr this sounds amazing and a great exercise. going to train my circle picking with this. thank you!!

[@SpiderBatProductions]

it's the classic Paul Gilbert alternate picking exercise

[@CharafB1]

lol this makes me laugh but youdeserve one like though

[@LemonheadFr]

+Charaf B. Haha, merci !

[@theostragonidis7548]

Problem with this - string skipping.

[@user-jx2yk5ep6y]

Tutorial pls

[@Le-Malus]

C une très bonne idée, peut être comme je suis débutant, je pourrais enfin jouer rapidement 🤔

[@LemonheadFr]

Essaye et tu verras, et sinon il existe des tas d'autres façon de gagner en vitesse, alors ne te décourage pas !

[@Le-Malus]

@@LemonheadFr merci beaucoup !!!

[@wildgretsch]

"d-u-d" on B string then "-d" to E sting, then inside "u-d-u-d" on B string??? that makes strange order... alternate picking is more easier

[@silentmadness8227]

Both techniques are used bro, even theres more. When u are a player of long timed presentations you have to be smart in the use of your playing duration. If you just use 1 way you will get tired at middle of a concert, so you have to use more attack variations to keep playing without getting tired of any attack mode. fingers, forearm, whrist they are all used to build your total stamina.

[@LemonheadFr]

That's what I point out in my pinned comment, this video should be taken with a grain of salt

[@elfantasmon4406]

Tecnica de kirk hamett ? Se parece psdta suena muy buena bro

[@shredprofessor]

Michael Angelo Batio, is that you?

[@harrycoochie6146]

Yeah, circle pick the paul gilbert lick over and OVER!! Then post it cause we care

[@9hk38f]

WAIT WHAT!?

[@williamtomlinson4322]

If you listen to basically any lead guitar player they will tell you picking should come from your wrist

[@LemonheadFr]

Read my pinned comment. And even with circle picking, there is still wrist motion, it's just different. It's up to you to chose what feels right when picking.

[@Cthulhu_Awaken]

Aren't you going to tire your thumb muscles by doing that?

[@LemonheadFr]

Maybe, but I don't use it as my main picking technique. This is just a tool, and I use it when it's appropriate, which in my case doesn't tire my thumb at all !

[@lorenzoq1187]

Can you do a more detailed vids?

[@LemonheadFr]

Hi, there is not that much to say actually, but Takayoshi Ohmura made a very interesting and detailed video on the subject, you should check it out !

[@vk8766]

salut ! étant fan d'ohumra j'ai essayé d'apprendre le circle picking à sa manière sans vraiment y arriver. je ne comprends pas vraiment le moment si tu as quelques explications je suis preneur.

[@LemonheadFr]

Salut ! C'est assez difficile à expliquer comme technique sans pouvoir la montrer de visu, en ce qui me concerne je l'ai naturellement développée, puis j'ai continué de la travailler en m'inspirant de takayoshi ohmura, ou Yngwie malmsteen. Dans l'idée, le mouvement est initié par l'indexe, et soutenu par le pouce. Pour l'aller, tu déplies l'indexe, et pour le retour, tu le replies (ce qui est contre-intuitif car on aurait tendance à faire l'inverse). Si tu veux voir le mouvement en action de plus près, cherche la vidéo "Allegro Maestoso (Kelly SIMONZ) focus on Right Hand Technique", en espérant que cela t'aidera. Si tu as d'autres questions n'hésite pas

[@vk8766]

@@LemonheadFr merci pour ta réponse ! Je vais aller voir la vidéo de Kelly simonz

[@jessecurle716]

Hey I know that technique and lick. Somebody's been listening to MAB.

[@manggasatu1003]

I want to ask sir, is circle picking related to sweep picking ?

[@zsaxeshed5743]

That's 2 strings dude,try it without training wheels

[@LemonheadFr]

What do you mean ?

[@mthrashmetalholocaustm2223]

do you move your thumb first joint while picking instead of the whole wrist? i can do that with the second joint but it's more accurate when you flick the first one(the pick goes more straight),any advice to build speed in the first joint ?

[@LemonheadFr]

Hello ! That's it, the picking motion comes from your index finger and your thumb, not from your wrist. It's kinda hard to explain without showing, but here is a link to a video from Takayoshi Ohmura, he is well known for his perfect circle picking technique: /watch?v=uGbMEPhl7rg skip to 5:05, or 7:13 for the english version. Cheers !

[@mthrashmetalholocaustm2223]

i embraced economy+finger flicking(circular picking) since i started playing last year(basically seeing how malmsteen picks effortlessly),but what caught my attention was micheal angelo batio saying that doing that will just slow you down and it's pointless anyway thank you for the advice,and love takayoshi btw :D

[@LemonheadFr]

Yes some guitarists like Michael Angelo and Rusty Cooley don't think this is a proper technique... I think it's about what works best for you, once you find it you just stick to it and practice. It also depends on what lick you play, I like wrist/alternate picking for old school shredding, and circle/economy for smooth jazz fusion licks.

[@romanthegambler6966]

Here cometh the YT wave. Also string skipping

[@fernandowf8504]

So I've been playing wrong the whole time? D:

[@LemonheadFr]

You've been playing YOUR way, which is all that matters ! Give this technique a try, and you'll see if it works for you. Cheers !

[@morphius747]

Idk what I just saw

[@Tommy712rus]

Pff, can you play smole on the water with that?

[@LemonheadFr]

Definitely not !

[@EricNolaime]

I might be wrong but I think you skip the economy picking when you play fast at the end... to me you play alternate picking only at the end of the video... I watched it several times in 0.25 :) because I wanted to learn :)

[@LemonheadFr]

You're absolutely right, I mentioned in another comment, but the fast part is alternate picking ! I uploaded a short where I do actual economy picking on a longer run, check it out !

[@EricNolaime]

Thanks for the reply, I ll check that out ;)

[@metalrockguy7833]

pretty much the Micheal Angelo Batio picking

[@LemonheadFr]

Not exactly, MAB, locks his fingers and has a strong hand anchoring. He mostly uses his wrist

[@labricotdeservice1319]

Regarde Max Ostro et on en reparle.

[@LemonheadFr]

Je connais bien, un véritable ovni !

[@labricotdeservice1319]

On est bien d’accord 🤤

[@thedistinguishedone]

how do you do that so flawlessly?

[@LemonheadFr]

Practice for muscle memory !

[@Hoxle-87]

Not everybody can do that. Some peoples joints, like mine, are not mechanically able to move the thumb like that. Consider yourself fortunate.

[@LemonheadFr]

I'm sorry for you, but there are many more ways to play, so you probably already have one that suits you more 😊

[@Hideisalegend]

True, I've been trying to learn those super efficient way of picking for years but my thumb and index feel so rigid, so much so it also hindered my right hand speed on bass. Quoi qu'il en soit, tu gères un max François !

[@LemonheadFr]

@@Hideisalegend Merci, tu as l'air de bien tâter à la basse de ton côté ! Même remarque qu'au commentaire précédent, au final ces techniques d'économie de mouvement ne sont pas efficaces en toutes circonstances, et dans bien des cas d'autres approches techniques s'avèrent bien plus adaptées. Aujourd'hui j'essaye de rattrape mes lacunes en aller-retour strict, ce qui est tout sauf économique ^^.

[@Hideisalegend]

@@LemonheadFr ah vraiment ? C'est intéressant, tu as un exemple qui illustre ton propos sur le manque d'efficacité de l'economy picking?

[@OsightblinderO]

Ultimate efficiency does not equal ultimate technique. There are sound profiles you won't achieve with that mentality.

[@LemonheadFr]

See my pinned comment, thanks !

[@aleksandrkras6969]

And hands don’t match each other))

[@graaaph]

Actually synchronisation isn't that good. And not because of lack of practice. That's all about this finger move based techniques.

[@Nonykus]

Pas con

[@llamafrhd]

Dont do this. Youll never be able to play fast this way

[@jaddoughmen3759]

It's called "aternate picking"

[@haydenchancy]

Jesus Christ loves you and is the ONLY way to heaven friend ❤️❤️❤️

[@da_animator]

Zagraj w Spore proszę chcę zobaczyć to w twoim wykonaniu

[@gamba1997]

cheating

[@sifka1607]

That is actually not correct technique and it doesn't sound very good either. You should be moving your wrist...

[@LemonheadFr]

Whatever work is good enough for me, cheers !

[@mpuppets6450]

True, not sounds correctly

[@FisTheEvil]

correct according to what? who sets the rules?

[@viscottyhottie]

Fyp

[@gustavoadrianjorgecharacan711]

👍