Citadel Colour Contrast Technical versus Lahmian Medium Just the Tip!

[@Hexsyn]

short, to the point, and exactly what I was looking for. Thank you SO much for this awesome video!

[@WayoftheBrush]

Glad it was helpful!

[@chadhowland2734]

Seems the contrast keeps the pigment more cohesive. Great took for the kit. Thanks the content!

[@Saieden]

The lahmian side looks a lot smoother on the larger surfaces to me, though it just could be from you being more careful with the excess.

[@WayoftheBrush]

it is interesting...

[@ravener96]

@@WayoftheBrush it could be a cool experiment for sure, but i think you need a more controlled setup. maybe try shoulderpads and backpacks only since they can be neatly compared side by side, and arent so big. also try some different mediums and maybe water too. this contrast paint concept is pretty cool, but it seems it could be implemented a bit better.

[@mikehawkins346]

It looks to me the Lahmian side is much lighter with darker recesses, I like that look much more.

[@WulfenLooseInLondon]

Mike Hawkins agreed, the Lahmian side looks smoother on the large flat areas (the leg especially).

[@ravener96]

the gradient on the leg also looked a bit smoother to me, also the shoulderpad was much nicer with the non contrast medium.

[@wonderboy2402]

Also there is less shine with the Lahmian.

[@johnmogilka4268]

It looks like the lahmain medium smothes out the flat parts and allows it to run smoother in to the recesses. The the contrast medium you can see dark spots where is "pooled" on his armor.

[@LittleIAO]

Wow! Lahmian actually looks much nicer in a lot of ways. Seems like you get more control and a smoother shade as well. I saw that side and it immediately made me think of a Zaku, which is cool. Good video Kris.

[@davidbenson1870]

Thanks again for doing these videos. I got a chance to try them out last Saturday at the local GW store. They are very different from traditional acrylics. More like a super heavy watercolor.

[@johnkelley9877]

Thanks for the test. To me they look the same but the Lahmian Medium seems to have better define recesses.

[@Porpyla]

Good tip on transferring the liquids to dropper bottles. Did just that, greatly aids in ratio measurement

[@kubaz122]

Looks like the lahmian medium gives less blotchy on large areas. And a bit more of a clean look.

[@TheBadadj]

I think the lighter areas on the lahmian side looked a lot cleaner and brighter.

[@infinite13390]

Definitely seems the contrast pulls towards the recesses more where the Lahmian looks almost like a blend into the shadows. Could lead to an interesting usage on areas like cloaks and more natural shadows.

[@siaartistry2017]

Thank you for this video. This is so helpful as I am new to messing with Contrast paints, but I found it to be a bit tricky to work quickly before the 'pooling' on my Glottkin.

[@WayoftheBrush]

I’m glad it helped.

[@johnbruce4004]

Lahmian medium gets my vote, looks smoother and recess lines are finer.

[@h.j.peters.2891]

the lahmian medium makes it look smoother, and appears that it was less of a fight to work with when trying to avoid tide marks.

[@bitzbox]

I was expecting it not to work very well at all with Lahmian medium but it looks pretty good. Thanks for the video!

[@Liopot68]

That was very helpful. Thanks!

[@WayoftheBrush]

Glad to hear it!

[@rednaxelA11]

would a more even ratio of lahmian to contrast paint give a stronger application? I note you used a lot of lahmian from your dropper.. this might be why the lahmian side of the mini is a little more translucent in application. Definitely going to avoid the contrast tech medium though - the lahmian is MUCH cleaner/smoother.

[@WayoftheBrush]

More testing is needed. I suspect using the technical contrast medium for glazing will give better results.

[@Arenuphis]

Are you going to make a vid for comparing using the different mediums for noncontrast paints(normal paints and washes, primarily)? ~~if the answer is "contrast medium doesn't work with normal paints" I still want to see the result~~

[@WayoftheBrush]

I touch on that in this vid... kzbin.info/www/bejne/p56pkGRpjdOVbpI

[@Arenuphis]

@@WayoftheBrush thanks I am a bit dissapointed in myself for completly forgetting about that vid, as I watched it when it was posted

[@Arenuphis]

would still be nice to have a comparison tho

[@doom2ruler]

What I see is the Lahmian Medium creating more of a wash look where the contrast medium keeps it smooth and simply makes it more transparent. That's good to know because I'm getting ready to paint transparent sections of miniatures and that is what I want. THANKS!!

[@WayoftheBrush]

I'm glad it was helpful

[@NIGHTWINGEX]

Looks like contrast medium is better for tinting the surface where as lahmiann medium acts as more of a wash to get darker crevasses and dark shadows

[@brence1984]

Seems ike Comtrast Medium creates less subtle highs and lows (more...Contrast) lol. Both seem to work nicely to different effects.

[@TheDigitalThreat]

I only see this being useful with those darker colors that tend to leave more patches and such. This would help "juice" it up so it spreads a little better while keeping the same fluid consistency, unlike the way water effects contrast.

[@Shypa]

I think in an one to one mix the base medium of the contrast paint it self is still dominat. Maybe you should compare regular base or layer color mixed with lahmian medium and contrast medium to get more compareable results. Cool video anyways!

[@philipblack8694]

Yum, mint marines!!!!

[@naphaneal]

pause @3:20 and look closely: the left side (from the minis perspective) is darker, while the edges are more prominent. the right side is lighter and less prominent in areas like under the lower forearm or elbow. on the other hand the lahmian medium makes for a smoother, lighter, and cleaner finish, while the contrast paint makes for a more "smudgey" surface, darker, and spotty finish. I like the recesses better with lahmian, the contrast ones look too dominant to me. I wonder: would a 1:1 mix of Lahmian and Contrast mixed in any paint even out the properties of both media? or worsen them?

[@Pitstarter]

Question about the Grey Seer and Wraithbone paints, have you had a chance to put them through an airbrush? Bit windy where I am and I have an airbrush booth set up, so would prefer to run the paints through an airbrush for the pre-coat stages.

[@WayoftheBrush]

the base paints Grey Seer and Wraithbone will go through the airbrush just as good a regular GW paints.

[@chriscasc1984]

Thanks for this video, I prefer lahmian medium to the contrast medium. I’m asking now if a classic wet palette would be usefull for contrast paints

[@WayoftheBrush]

I have not tested it, I suspect it would introduce a fair amount of water and the special feature of the contrast paint would be diluted.

[@agentorangecb1]

What an awesome voice! I'm going to try a cheaper branded mixing medium. I hope it's okay

[@WayoftheBrush]

Do what makes sense to you. Your money & your hobby. Do with it as you will.

[@gavinthompson5897]

Have you tried the contrast paints with other undercoats other than the 2 specific one's in the range.

[@WayoftheBrush]

Only on corax white, leadbelcher, zandri dust...

Does it matter at all what primer you use as long as it's a lighter color? I use Stynylrez airbrush primer.

[@RESURRECT2]

Can I use Lahmian Contrast Medium with eg. Vallejo Game Color Paints to make some contrast paint?

[@WayoftheBrush]

contrast paint are transparent, so to make paint like Contrastpaint you need transparent colors/ pigment.

[@Dandivide]

Hey Kris, i wonder how both of these products compare to a matt medium/water mix. Perhaps that's basically what they are anyway. Would be a huge saving if you are using buckets of the stuff on an army.

[@TheSixYardBox]

Lahmia medium is much smoother. Definitely the way forward for doing space marines

[@danielmiller3596]

Since airbrush seems to change effects of contrasts, doesn’t do the same for Lahmian medium?

[@WayoftheBrush]

Lahmian Medium is a water based acrylic thinner. Moving it through the airbrush doesn't affect the properties.

[@danielmiller3596]

@@WayoftheBrush that’s good to know- I’ve had a few of my buddies complain that when they airbrushed the contrasts, they just applied as normal translucents. None of the stuff that occurs from normal painting on white. I’m not spending a lot of money to find out 😆

[@JohnKessler]

Now you should do a similar comparison with a water/flow aid mix vs medium.

[@WayoftheBrush]

kinda like this? ... kzbin.info/www/bejne/onyce62XmJVgl8U

[@DreadNate9]

What dropper bottles do you recommend?

[@WayoftheBrush]

I use glass dropper with rubber squeezy ends. I recommend glass as it is easier to clean.

[@NossCalavera1670]

Love to see a vid where you paint a horse.

[@sirrathersplendid4825]

I’d love to see one where you ride a horse.

[@LoftOfTheUniverse]

Will liquidex function the same as lahmium medium?

[@WayoftheBrush]

the same? No. The Flo Aid is for the surface tension so it behaves in a similar fashion as the contrast medium.

[@LoftOfTheUniverse]

@@WayoftheBrush thanks for the response. Just trying to figure out if I need to buy lahmian medium since I already have vallejo glaze medium and liquidex flow aid

[@WayoftheBrush]

for thinning Citadel colors I like Lahmian medium as it thins without losing adhesion. Vallejo Glaze medium works fine with citadel colors but doesn't thin the body of the paint. It all depends on what you are doing and how you like to work with colors. Personal preference as in all things painting.

[@theoadamsiv7844]

What’s that palette you are using?

[@WayoftheBrush]

I use a pane of glass. I only use glass because it cleans really easy for filming.

Video request: can also show mixing regular GW paint and also a GW wash with Contrast Medium + Lahmia Medium on one model, please?

[@WayoftheBrush]

like this?... kzbin.info/www/bejne/p56pkGRpjdOVbpI

[@mattoconnor9286]

Lahmian medium looked much better, definitely the way to go for armour.

[@veronicaalvarado3223]

I like the Lahmia Medium side more

[@gnarkillgnarkill7725]

seems like lahmian fades better from the puddles to the flat areas ..

[@MsGinahidesout]

I don't understand why you have to use the medium? I thought you could use the contrast paints out of the bottle?

[@WayoftheBrush]

you can use the paint straight from the pot. other times you may want to thin it.

[@harmmany214]

I see wraith bone undercoat way more than grey seer...

[@500a6500]

Now, what about contrast medium and a standard layer paint?

[@WayoftheBrush]

watch till the end of this vid... kzbin.info/www/bejne/p56pkGRpjdOVbpI

[@silasscott4687]

Looks like the lahmian medium needs a second coat, otherwise pretty much the same

[@RealJotaEme]

Pretty much the same? That's a nice money saving tip lol

[@naphaneal]

yeah, I ordered one pot, just to experiment and compare it against my goto medium from Golden or Liquitex FlowAid

[@folieadeux5463]

lol lahmia medium is 10x better