Citadel VS. Winsor & Newton Brushes - Which is Better? Hobby Head To Head

[@dboussios8694]

When did citadel produce some of "the best on the market"? Consistently all the citadel brushes I've owned were utter rubbish in comparison to W&N

[@uvafan420]

They still are. Maybe get W&N to make them some brushes.

[@ptitbass]

They are lol that my problem right now. I will get the Winsor and newton serie 7 miniature version. Look a lots better!

[@mat5667]

Same problem, bought some small layer brushes and I kid you not after the first time I dipped (yes dipped) them in water the bristles just split. The coat of glue or whatever it is they use when they ship them made the brush look fine or "small" but it is really a disappointing purchase, especially when their delivery (at least in the UK) is fast af (most of the time).

[@DannyTube69]

D Boussios same small Vs a size 5 W&N brush the W&N brush is bigger but has a better tip - IT STAYS AS A TIP

[@morrisnickrdg]

I was going to leave a similar comment. Main point that I nearly missed.. is that the Citadel 'artificer' brushes are a completely different affair to the standard rubbish synthetic brushes they sell. That could / should have been much better articulated in this video to avoid the confusion - including the title frankly - because a standard issue Citadel brush is noit even the same league as W&N S7. A bit of extra googling reveals it likely / possible that the citadel artificers are actually W&N outsourced anyway, possibly to the same spec as series 7.

[@MrBlef666]

using Winsor & Newton Brushes mini. Very pleased with them

[@AviadMD]

Series 7 and Kolisnky red sable in general are designed for primarily watercolor uses, they hold a surprising amount of liquid, have great snap and the well built ones can last you for YEARS, making em perfect for glazing and working with thinner paints. that said you need to take care of them (like any other brush really) or they will start splitting on you, keep paint out of the ferrule and give em a good wash once in a while.

[@Brynamyte]

Keep in mind WN series 7 brushes are used for inking in comics so you would definitely want a brush that holds its tip!

[@MrSmudgeman98]

Did you not put the audio on for your intro? It's not working for me on a mobile

[@John-Sneed]

It doesn't work because it happened to me

[@amorbavian]

I wish they made the handle the pyramid shape that Army Painter and others also use. It just fits more comfortably and firmly in the hand imo

[@austinn4097]

Thanks for the video. I bought my W&N 7 over 2 years ago, all are holding up with care. Good to know that GW is most likely sourcing the new series brushes from W&N. I guess my decision will now come down to price. I own W&N size 0,1,2,3,4. The 1 has held up the best by far and is what I use for all detailing.

[@pseudopunk000]

I love my XS artificer brush and was really wondering about the larger sizes. Thanks for the info.

[@davidsanderson2960]

That XS brush is a right tip off. You can get a W&N7 000 or even the 00 and does a much better job.

[@williamwinn948]

I use Divanci brushes they're amazing

[@kamasu4222]

WHAT SIZES :)

[@DannyTube69]

Windsor and Newton by far: that tip is strong af

[@spikeybitstv]

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[@dornjr]

Tried my W&N Series 7 for 1st time today...come to find out its way better than the Army Painter one I was using. lol Gotta try GW ones now.

[@IlSinistero]

there are some good brushes, of course w&n, da vinci, escoda etc. in the end any high quality sable brush will do it.

[@MsGinahidesout]

Thanks, I found this very helpful.

[@dyrimface]

would be very interested to see how they're holding up after a month of use, please do a recap

[@pads-zr9ln]

Not even close I’ve had th same Windsor newton 0 brush for 4 years and it’s still as good as new

[@fandacy]

Arent they coming form the same factory?

[@Tann_Solo]

I bought a Windsor Newton 00, 1, and 2, but I got the miniature version accidentally, so the bristles are shorter, and I feel I can only use them for details. 😭 Wanted a more all round set, so maybe I’ll just use my bomb wicks for base coating or something.

[@colinbright9871]

They have 2 types of bristle per size of brush. 1 is the round brush, which is the shorter bristles and the other 1 is called the point brush and has the longer bristles. This works throughout the WN 7 range. Hope this helps if you order from on line

[@JamesLaserpimpWalsh]

The spikey bits facebook group never seems to pop these videos up for me. I love watching em and I'm always on the forum but FB never seems to pop these up on my feed. Does anyone else have this problem? Brushes are weird, I always end up getting say three and without realising it I will alays gravitate towards using one. I find the citadel ones seem to develop kinks or splits pretty quickly, and I honestly never leave them in the water or forget to rinse em. I tend to get brushes from my local arts and crafts store as they are about half the price and last longer. Just my opinion tho. Thanks for the vid by the way.

[@steveisaak4320]

What soaps for brushes? I am new to painting

[@steveisaak4320]

Thank you. I appreciate you talking about the colors as I am new to painting and learning as I go. I am slowly getting better, but can you suggest a tutorial video?

[@spikeybitstv]

Still undecided on which is better. I guess it may all come down to price here for this one?

[@djtheluckyone]

Spikey Bits maybe you should do a follow up after a few more weeks of using both

[@peisenxu952]

Uh dude, according to my local redshirt, and he isn't really a liar, the two are the same thing. Like, actually just the same thing with a GW tag on it.

[@djtheluckyone]

Peisen Xu . never said he was a lair.just be interesting to get longer term review.

[@JamesLaserpimpWalsh]

Yeah do a folow up and let us know how they are bearing up after a few weeks.

[@peisenxu952]

Wasn't talking to you :P was talking to Rob. It's just hilarious to see people say "GW brushes are shit" and "they should have WaN make their brushes for them" when that's exactly what they did.

[@OMAGIC01]

Ferrel is the word your looking for for the bottom part

[@lostonwallace1396]

Raphael Kolinsky 8404s work well for me. They last for YEARS. Winsor & Newton are equally good. Treat them right, they'll also last. Never had a Citadel brush that last very long at all. These might be different, but Raphael and Winsor Newton are used by comic book inkers because of their ability to keep a nice point, while holding a lot of ink. They do the same for water colors and acrylics, and I'd swear by them. They might cost a little, but you get that back in quality.

[@Beadlayer69]

kolinsky sable isn't actually descended from sables, they're actually weasel hairs, and they're found in the plains of siberia

[@oowen7734]

Kolinsky sable

[@vallytine]

Citadel Brushes are a bit more flimsy (although my small layer has lasted me over a year, can't say the same for my medium base, but that brush puts in work.) But can be argued as worth it because they are as of right now half the price of WN Brushes, 4.95 For S Layer on GW Website vs 12.45 For Series 7 Size 0 on Amazon. And WN Size 0 is never in stock on the WN website whereas GW's Brushes almost always are.

[@calcinatoir]

I think you may mean "mink" and not "minx". Very different indeed... lol. Good review.

[@EidolonSpecus]

That's what "minx" used to mean. They're basically the same word, except that one has archaic spelling.

[@duerf5826]

I bought two W&N series 7 brushes (size 0 and 1) from Amazon and and turned to shit after a month and a half. A lot of reviewers voiced their dissatisfaction as well. It's also possible that I purchased fake or factory reject brushes.

[@uvafan940]

All brushes can turn to trash after a month if not properly cared for and cleaned. But I have had mine for a few years now and still the best brushes I had ever bought. Love the Series 7.

[@sjoepsjoep7293]

Hee man, great vid. I was wondering if the citadel brushes were okay yay or nay. I'm starting painting/playing again after some years. I'm not about to buy all the brushes, but could recommend like 4 or 5 you cant live with out?

[@Beadlayer69]

isn't it illegal to import these into the us after the washington act? (i think thats the name, dont quote me on that)

[@itsrickeritsricker]

The citadel brush i got with a paint set was awful...cheap amazon ones have outlasted it

[@cartouchator]

I would get neither of those, they are just too expensive (and imo the layer brushes are too big). I went for army painter brushes for fine detail brushes (basecoating brush but using it as fine base coat brush, precise detail brush for eyes and buttons, highlighting brush for edge highlights, and army painter dry brush for dry brushing). I then use a size 1 or 2 fake WN copy sable brush I bought from eBay UK for £1.15 (1.25usd) for larger basecoating and precise shading, and a size 4 sable brush from same company for larger shading. So far haven't found anything citadel brush wise that made me want to stop using those. As for brush soap, I actually use Dove soap bars (the hand moisturising ones), they cost £0.50 (75 us cents) each and other than the added fragrance have the same components in them. The army painter brushes might be synthetic but I found I prefer synthetic over sable for the very very small brushes, and prefer sable for larger brushes.

[@Valandar2]

Erm.. the Windsor Newton is probably THE most commonly available brush in the States. Crafts stores and art supply stores outnumber gaming hobby shops by a country mile.

[@tchunter8895]

winsor newton goes even smaller with the serie 7 00 and even a 000

[@jonathand7465]

i really like my Davinci Maestro

[@kevinalford]

Yeah, they're great. i still prefer W & N, but I think the Mestro Series 11 (pretty sure it's 11) is rigggght behind.

[@dazamad]

Curious are you mainly using WN now or something else. Thanks

[@spikeybitstv]

I actually mainly use Slow Fuses brushes now, although I still have these same brushes from two years ago, and use them on occasion. www.slowfusegaming.com/product-category/brushes/

[@ch-sqpopay9949]

2 of the best brushes? so WN series 7 size 2 and size 1. not WN and citadel....

[@94jmbottaro]

Bristles aplit as soom as i put it in water on my citadel brush. Never buying ciradel brushew again

[@Volgan16666]

I very much doubt if winsor make the sitadel brushes. Unless they do a special range just for them made from the very finest Muskrat hair I would imagine. With compressed handles recycled from old egg cartons. Top dollar a pop... as is the GW way.

[@davidsanderson2960]

Premier which are German are better than Citadel.

[@MrDLYouTube]

They are NOT hairs from the butt. That's BS. Animals don't have specific butt hair, the hairs around their anus is the exact same as their body. A friend of mine that works at an art store went to a factory with their work and got to see the production. What company they went to they were not allowed to say...but yeah, it's EAR hairs. The area inside the ear is where you find the finest hairs.

[@shanedezorzi5800]

Sable hair is from a weasel tail hairs they are from Siberia

[@AceTaxiaGaming]

(winsor uses tail hair)

[@MrLioncash]

You're comparing citadel to Winsor & Newton? It's like comparing shit to a diamond.

[@soundgarden8885]

Only to find out allot of Citadels brushes are actually made by them xD xD stop bashing GW for no reason small minded kiddo! Hahaha

[@WarBoy87]

Cats are always angry because they are the perfect hunter, but they're only 5 pounds.

[@spikeybitstv]

lol mine are a tad bigger

[@1574john]

Citadel brushes suck, never had a good one.

[@seanmccarley9449]

Citadel brushes are trash, I'm disappointed in you.

[@theanimaster]

Do a Raphaël vs Winsor & Newton... now THERE’S something worth comparing!

[@bradlemke7550]

Raphael 8404 better now need for video

[@whydoineedahandlewtf]

Bought some Winsor and Newton brushes (the most expensive ones) a week ago, they split like crazy. Either i was just really unlucky or they are absolute garbage. The brushes my dad gave me that are like 30 years old are MASSIVELY better.

[@bradlemke7550]

Sadly that's normal for series 7 these day's if you get bad batch they do that. I use Raphael 8404 because they never have issues from my experience.

[@soundgarden8885]

And you didn't clean them after each painting session i guess?? Just a rinse in water and leaving it like that for even one night can ruin them!!