Cities Skylines 2 - NEW UPDATE JUST DROPPED!

It's patch day for Cities Skylines 2! Beach properties are now free for all (though you mightn't want to go near them if they look anything like mine) plus some noted performance improvements and improvements to Paradox Mods, the Editor & general game.
Colossal Order also announced that the next update will include a major rework of the economy, incorporating user feedback. And some further delays to mod implementation. A quickie but a goodie, just like its creator, let's jump into the video! #citiesskylines2 #gaming #simulation #strategy
CONTENTS:
0:00 - Cities Skylines 2 Patch Update Day
0:15 - Beachfront Dreams are Free
1:26 - Economy Overhaul is up next
2:20 - The Ultimate Edition FM
3:48 - Performance Improvements
5:20 - Editor Updates
5:51 - Paradox Mods Improvements
7:33 - The Patch & My Thoughts
8:50 - PS I'd guess the broken beachfronts are just a me/ temporary thing
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[@danielh7104]

Can’t wait till this game gets out of alpha testing.

[@nomadkeller8612]

Can't wait for it to be upgraded to ALPHA testing

[@Infernal_Elf]

Total disaster and improvements mowing at a snails pace.

[@automation7295]

Can't wait till this game get abandoned by the game developers and shut down their studio.

[@automation7295]

At this point, you all just hate everyone in Sweden and Finland..

[@andrew121410]

Real

[@FastwayIndustries]

Manor lords is all i want right now

[@almarcaUrban]

Poetry, friend.

[@Shadowthevampire]

Me too and it's finnaly here tomorrow!!!

[@vaughn1804]

👍💯

[@bohdanilkiv2208]

Tomorrow my man

[@yuemoon9344]

ah another man of culture! same here mate

[@mahadevovnl]

Next up: Bicycles DLC! Bicycle parking and paths! Just without bicycles. Followed by: Zoos and theme parks! Including rollercoasters and caged lions! And that's all. No more. One rollercoaster and one cage for lions... and they fully detailed every single tooth of the lions (who never open their mouths) adding at least 3000 polygons per lion, without LOD. And by 2028 they'll have their 3rd DLC: Campuses! You can now build book stores. And you get 2 new trees. That's all. The Colossal Order standards are now SO LOW that none of the above would surprise anyone.

[@Bambeakz]

I am affraid you still need to lower your expectation

[@user-wq9mw2xz3j]

calm down, this wasnt said to be no "beach dlc"

[@andrewdebner7057]

Bike DLC 😭😭😭

[@zuzoscorner]

Sims 4 stuff pack "we have two new chairs" CSL2 "we added one new road sign

[@automation7295]

I bet you all hate Sweden and Finland because of this.

[@steveaguay]

This alpha game looks great. When its fully released it should be good!

[@vaughn1804]

yep 🤣

[@olivierchristiaens8174]

So glad that i didn't buy CS2. Shame because i got a new pc in anticipation of it. Well it'll run Manor Lords tomorrow :D

[@unitedfront9717]

But every machine can run manor lords even my 7 year old graphics can do it swimmingly in 4k 😂

[@geofff.3343]

I just can't believe someone at the top thought releasing this as it did was a good idea. It's got to be the biggest miss on the easiest shot ever taken.

[@InfernofoxYT]

Your spelling hurt my brain

[@Ethanthecrazy]

The game was published by Paradox Interactive. Paradox Interactive has shareholders, so what happened was a possibility that I predicted and was afraid of. Shareholders want to make money, and if CS2 flops they can write it off on taxes, so they had no reason to try and ship a completed game. Colossal Order is just the dev studio that PI happens to be taking advantage of at the moment.

[@willywonka6487]

yup never forget paradox is a billion dollar corporation hiding behind its old status as a small indie dev

[@dreadedTanker3173]

yep i never support those kinds devs, even cyberpunk to this day I haven't purchased.. shoulda been good at launch is my moto unfortunately most people do not share that same mindset - which gives us this kind of an outcome :(

[@EustaH]

@@Ethanthecrazy Do you know what a write off is? It's declaring an expense or loss so you write it off the income for which you pay a tax, not from the tax you pay. If you loose 1mln $ because idk, a company truck blows up, you write 1mln $ off your income, so you pay 200k less tax. You still have 800k of actual loss. Also, the entire budget of the game is always written off anyways, regardless of it making profit or not. Making profit from a write off is legally impossible, the only way is by committing a tax fraud. If company writes off a project, like WB written off some of its movies, it means, that taking it to the market was gonna cost more money that they could possibly earn with it in any foreseeable future.

[@dailyrider6330]

When u run a race with no other runner but you finish last...😂 I dont trust them anymore.

[@vaughn1804]

😆🤣😭☠️👍

[@SabiaSparrow]

I mean... In a race with one runner, who are you expecting to end up last, if not the one runner?

[@dailyrider6330]

​@@SabiaSparrowWell u can finish first too but they can't

[@j134679]

@@dailyrider6330 basically why monopolies is bad

[@dailyrider6330]

@@j134679 There is plenty of room for competition and i hope someone step in

[@keizervanenerc5180]

Who would have guessed? The annoying publisher specific modding page is sh*t for all parties involved! CO having difficulty getting it to function, and it will NEVER be as convenient as Steam Workshop is for players! I can't express how much i hate it that paradox is moving away from Steam Workshop. Their games (either selfmade or published) survived and THRIVED partially thanks to the fact the mods for their games are great and easily available on Steam Workshop.

[@jasmeetbrar8609]

Honestly speaking, it feels more of a skill issue on their part. I look at games like Factorio where the game itself can look at mods that are available on their site and the players can download or update mods from there. Granted, it was a game that was released on their own site before it went on Steam, so it never used the Steam Workshop so they didn’t get that backlash. But they did such a great job with it that no one had a problem with it. CO needs to take notes.

[@blakedake19]

Steam workshop is ass

[@SuperMickyChow]

​@jasmeetbrar8609 the whole game is a skill issue for CO - they couldn't get the game working in time for their original release date in 2021. They got two more years to fix it & still released broken trash. They've struggled to even get the game fixed 6 months after launch. CO are not good devs, tbh.

[@jasmeetbrar8609]

@@SuperMickyChow Yeah I agree. Their first CS succeeded cause SimCity 2013 ended up flopping hard, and their game delivered on giving us a massive area for building our cities beyond just 1 square and it gave us mod support. But their game is more of a “city painter” than a city simulator, like SimCity had gotten down the simulation aspect of it even if it wasn’t perfect. Cities Skylines in the other hand, allowed you to spam as much hospitals and buildings possible and there didn’t seem to be any consequences because money was never an issue. There was no real challenge in the game that made it fun. I guess what made it fun is the creativity that the community showed off for their fancy or well-designed cities. I was assuming that as a company, they were supposed to grow their team and their skill pool as they start developing their next release. They knew or at least should’ve known that they’d need to top their first game and first impressions matter. Further build upon the building aspect and also most importantly, the simulation aspect. Without the latter, then it would feel too much like the first game. They had so many years to take notes from the community of what they want, so why did they decide to add GAN-generated characters in the game where it would render their clothing to great details that it would kill our FPS? Where was their priority? They added so many guard rails in the game to prevent us from “losing the game” by “being in debt” but in doing so, they made the simulator less realistic or fun. They thought they can just fix the game after launch…but did they not see what happened to No Man Sky? Launch was a disaster and they are only doing well now because they spent years fixing the game and adding so much free content that they had redeemed themselves and they are still adding new content! The community doesn’t want CO to have to go through that in the first place. Plus with only 30 employees and their track record so far, even if they could, they already got a pretty bad rep.

[@SuperMickyChow]

@@jasmeetbrar8609 I completely agree with everything you've said. I'd like to add that as far as mods go, they had access to Steam Workshop stats and could see what mods the community overwhelmingly believed were essential to play the game - Move It, Prop Line Tool, TMPE are just three of these, and were in the Top 10 most popular mods on Steam Workshop. The functionality of these mods should have been baked into the base code for CS2, but wasn't, despite all the PR press releases and Words Of The Week claiming that CO knew how important modding is. I've said it before, and I'll say it again - CO bit off more than they could chew by promising CS2 on a release schedule that they were ill-equipped to meet. Their CEO, Mariina, is an incredibly arrogant person who over-promised and underdelivered to Paradox bosses when telling them what CO could achieve. The CO team is tiny and inexperienced at releasing a game of the scope and ambition of CS2. They needed at least twice as many team members, and for those team members to be experienced devs who have worked on massive-scale simulation coding before. This whole release is a cautionary tale for developers to understand their own limitations & to promise only what you *know* you can deliver.

[@jakobebroke]

the falloff from cities skylines 1 to cities skylines 2 must be studied

[@richpollock2217]

Waiting for MANOR LORDS. And then Cities is on hiatus.

[@RLJSlick]

Thanks for getting this out so quickly, didn't even know a patch was coming out this week.....

[@galacticfork]

I have to say, this patch made a huge difference on my system. The antialiasing was horrendous before, but not only do I have much better performance, but the cities look so much better. It's the different between night and day, if night consisted of buldings being a mess of broken white lines.

[@kokamoo]

Big fan of CS1, have yet to jump into this one due to the issues its had, looks like I'll be waiting a few years to play this one.

[@ram64man]

October so effectively 1 year from when it was supposed to be launched, eg they got all players to go into early release mode than full title,

[@Bandanko]

when are they going to add textures to the models? they all look half finished...

[@HotMochaCake]

They have to make sure the game even works first. It doesn't even do that right.

[@automation7295]

At this point, you all just hate everyone in Sweden and Finland..

[@Fortress_37]

Me: “Paradox fix the bug bugs” Paradox: “Here are some UI changes you will never notice”

[@KushSessions]

Maybe they will get it fixed eventually. But most of us will have moved on by then

[@tmg7476]

Ran the update, opened CS2, tried to close it and it stopped responding. Couldn't close in task manager. Had to reboot the PC. Second try worked fine so perhaps I didn't give mods enough time to update. As I suspected, creating assets under their new rules is a problem. I felt the meager 'beach' offerings was a clue -- if creating new assets was easy, why was the pack so slim? Now they admit that resolving issues with the asset pipeline is proving more difficult than we hoped. As a sandbox player who depends on tons of assets and props available, I didn't expect to resume playing until 2025 and still don't.

[@Six_Gorillion]

"more difficult than we hoped" has been featured in every PR statement they make. All the issues they promised to fix to date are "more difficult than we hoped". It has been this way for 6 months now. This looks like a highschool project by a bunch of amateurs, not a software dev company who charges 60 bucks for their product. Pathetic.

[@shushyshushy6762]

Can't wait for this game to be relevant in 12 year.

[@automation7295]

I bet you also can't wait for Sweden and Finland to become non-existent.

[@potts995]

The bugs and glitches are what's keeping it relevant in the meantime

[@stormfire962imastarcitizen5]

Sir as before thank you for doing these videos and keeping us informed about this game. As for this patch it seem that Paradox and CO might be finally waiting up and realize that you all can make or break them. Which is a good thing since you should NOT give them an inch until the game is in a better state then it currently in for everyone else. In addition, much of patch notes at first look seem to address a lot. But after careful reading, much of it is minimal at best and they can to better. Also, if you are wondering about the "Nvidia DLSS Super Resolution support added" this refer to those who have the RTX 40 series GPU only.

[@destoc5661]

Meanwhile, ONE guy, made Manor Lords. But of course, how can they compare to Paradog Colossal Shit deep simulation next gen shitty builder?

[@SimCityEA1989]

Unfortunately, I'm giving Cities Skylines: II a year before I even bother redownloading the game

[@mygetawayart]

yeah, not gonna be returning to the game before assets and region packs. I'll keep up with the updates but for now I'll stick with Manor Lords

[@Macronaso]

How can they keep fucking up man...

[@Six_Gorillion]

Havent touched the game in months but I always tune in to these videos to keep up on the trainwreck for entertainment. It's the least I can get for the money Mariina grifted out of me.

[@automation7295]

Because of fault happened/happening during the 2020's decade. Just blame 2020's. 2020's invent woke people, woke people and the pandemic, but also made all game developers working at home just to release buggy games 2020's also invented the wars between Russia and Ukraine, also invented Palestine and Israel. This decade ruined everything.

[@potts995]

I'm worried the franchise is dead now. The code is probably held together by spaghetti. We have no idea what bugs and glitches console players may experience!

[@automation7295]

I bet you all hate Sweden and Finland because of this.

[@rnbpl]

i preordered c:s2 and i can confidently say that from now on i'll be sourcing my paradox games exclusively from the pirate bay

[@stalker5299]

It's been really hard for me to play cs2, every time there seems to be some hope for cs2 CO just releases.............. stuff like this, and just the entire release and development of cs2 in general, i think it will need another year or two to be in a playable state for the majority of people.

[@Six_Gorillion]

It will take more than that with the current ceo.

[@vaughn1804]

Gamers are finally tired of buying alpha software for full price. Took them long enough 😆

[@RMJ1984]

0:20 Seeing all these big tall white boxes actually gave me an idea. It looks sort of like Mirrors Edge. How could would it be with an asset pack that let us build a sterile futuristic oppressed city where mail and packages has to be delivered by runners.

[@HotMochaCake]

That's pretty stupid lmao. Also considering that it's a bug there is nothing to be proud of when you're being scammed out of an unfinished game.

[@eidosmusic3232]

Id like to see stylistic modding like this... I'd love a "Tron" grid city theme with LED roads and futurism

[@automation7295]

@@HotMochaCake At this point, you just hate everyone in Sweden and Finland..

[@TrainThings]

I'm playing a 170.000 city, not so big! I've a Ryzen 5 3600, 32GB RAM and a Nvidia 1060 6GB. Ok, no top PC, but... simulation it's almost stopped, besides an average of 15 fps with medium/low settings. Sorry, but this is not acceptable.

[@tobbakken2911]

Your processor is a bit old, so of course it wouldn't be good for such a big city.

[@jimmypockrus7725]

have they fixed the Yellow Screen bug which requires turning off tunnel pass to be able to see anything against a bright yellow screen and cant see underground pipes when deleting?

[@alessiobenvenuto5159]

How do i create custom interchanges and save/use them in maps?

[@brianbrunt3636]

Is the water lapping at the base of those building ?

[@theatropian4402]

Yay. I get a radio station. The one thing in this game I didn't get the game for nor care for.

[@krabgrass]

It’s been enough playing CS1 since the steam workshop seems to always have bugs randomly subscribing/unsubscribing assets. Also CS1 doesn’t work and randomly crashes while loading or starting a new game. I’ve honestly given up on the entire CS series because both games are just very unoptimized and no reason for it to have problems with mine & other’s high-end PCs. Although I’ve had zero issues with CS2, I do look forward to the modding community improving the game little by little.

[@oktawianbohdziewicz1537]

Imagine releasing such an underdeveloped game that you can make KZbin careers from their patch updates...

[@jer1515]

Why would I ever play this game when CS1 exists? Oh wait I shouldn't say that, Paradox will probably put out an update for the first game and break it on purpose. I wouldn't put it past them at this point

[@jgfjfgjfhjf]

at this stage, it's quite funny how everything goes wrong every single time :D

[@simoncodrington]

DLSS support your say 😮

[@MusingsMuses]

I'd rather a dev say "This feature will take 6-8 months to put in" rather than them tell me it's coming out in a month or two and then delay it 4 times.

[@Goremize]

Taking the DLC page down and getting Steam to block all links to it is quite funny way for them to hide one of their mistakes Only for the game to break as its now missing assets is just icing on the Alpha build cake

[@brandonsheffield9873]

I'm having issues with flooding and the water creating really large spikes every where. My boats are bouncing around, rolling over, disappearing into the water, the flood never goes away. Constantly having to load old saves, to get rid of it.

[@HegeRoberto]

only way to optimize a game such as cities skylines is to entirely remake the game on a house-made engine, and not unity. Unity just can't handle large simulation games like this, it never will

[@royk7712]

Can't wait the game to be playable 😅

[@DJWezzyK]

I just read on PDX mods that TMPE is in development for CS II! That would really help.

[@BeachLookingGuy]

That’s like getting a Cherry on top of your shit sandwich.

[@dyne313]

Cities Skylines 1 is still the best City Building game ever.

[@user-bq3nu9qy5v]

DLSS is a big deal for lower end PCs (if your card is 20 series or better). Running smoother at a higher resolution for me. AA looks better, shadows look better. It's the biggest performance increase we've had so far.

[@Vamatt99218]

I usually like radio packs so its a win.

[@rageagainstmyhatchet]

What a company. Do you think they need my help? I have zero coding experience and no desire to learn, but right now it appears they have negative skills.

[@dovos8572]

"added wind control to the editor"... sounds good but the wind is still always ending up in the same corner of the map. wind in itself seems to be really bugged and their vector map calculations make it end up at always the same attractor point. i don't know their formular or how they intented to control/move the wind direction but it is clearly not working. also the "control" is a slider from 0° to 360° and not a painting tool that let's us place moving attractor/spawn points like the water system. so no we still can't make local winds through the mountains. it is still a global vector map that is bugged.

[@Alexanderrrrrrrrrrrrr]

We had a proper model for sewage outflow in the first game, and it's just pngs in this one. Hopefully they fix that.

[@lextacy2008]

Did they release Skylines 2 yet? I heard a rumor that a sequel was coming out

[@DimaRakesah]

Performance has somehow gotten worse for me with the previous updates. Lower frame rates and now I crash a lot. This game is so frustrating!

[@johannesKeppler12345]

The best patch I think that will make us all feel good is when they finally patched the Helicopter clipping through any objects.

[@Age1608]

should i spent 70€ in all cities1 dlc or buy/wait for cities2 to get better?

[@TypicalDutchSaysHi]

Sure the patches are fine, but the basics are still the same. Mod integration, assets and others, should have been one of the first items they should have released as CS, be it 1 or 2 only can survive with mods. CS2 still looks empty, lifeless without assets.

[@RanDAss]

Still waiting on more animations for parks, police , firemen and citizens and animals. Hopefully in a year.

[@TheXLAXLimpLungs]

What it gods name do they mean it will likely take more months to get ASSET importing to work. It should NOT BE THAT DIFFICULT. They've really dropped the ball.

[@Yahir_s._]

1:01 Yes, Even On A Empty Map

[@MrKlotzek]

They have added DLSS. Does someone know if its DLSS 3?

[@JimmiG84]

DLSS is a pretty big deal. The game runs faster on my 3060 TI, and it also looks better than the terrible SMAA implementation.

[@petepablogaming243]

Does the gane simulation added yet? I remember it all being fake

[@Gabriel_Moretti]

Am I crazy or at 3:30 the rain is kind of upside-down?

[@MrMpa31]

So, still a couple years before this game is ready for release…

[@LackHapeLuis]

you should be able to have at LEAST 600k citizens without lag.. thats just classed as a big city.. anything more then yeah should be upto you if you want a better pc for more sims

[@inyobill]

03:38: The random despawning for no apparent good reason irks me. Especially when it's a bus load of sims.

[@prodigygalaxy9226]

Any news on saying when CS2 will be launched on the console versions

[@stevespain6445]

Yup they did the other day in the letter from the executives. Their announcement was that there'll be no announcements because they don't want to disappoint with a failure to meet their announcements.

[@Mrwizard-ck7oe]

Don't hold your breath, you'll asphyxiate. For previous reference cs1 released in 2015 on pc and made it to console in 2017. And that was with a mostly intact game... so expect 2-3 years minimum wait

[@Palpatine001]

No Beach Cubes for me (just tried it now) so small victories I suppose

[@Gigi-xr3qs]

Everyone gets the grey boxes - You get a grey box, You get a grey box!

[@Bottle-OBill]

Bring me... A cube-ery!

[@KennethStokes]

The game needs to be faster! I still havnt had 1 skyscraper in my city.

[@johnnielund4889]

Honestly, i dont have, and never had any problems with the game, im actually quite happy with it.... Only exception is with the PDX mods, everytime I load the game, mods has been disabled and i need to reinstall them, never had that issue with thunderstore

[@ItWasSaucerShaped]

reading through those patch notes... so much of it is plainly padding. like, adding new hotkeys? how is that either a feature or a fix? anything actually substantive is just one or two items, and even then items are ambiguously described this feels like a panic 'patch' where they felt compelled to release a big list of whatever to try and placate everyone they enraged with Beach Properties CO needs new management, period

[@simpletrailers1161]

you may be having LOD problems, like missing assets. If I were you I would verify the files and if that didn't work, I'd just make a clean install

[@simoncodrington]

Yeah switching from a DLC to base game functionally is always going to suck from a technical standpoint. I'll give them a pass on that one

[@thatguybun]

They will release mods by the first anniversary lol

[@galeazzi_eth]

Manor lords for the win

[@darkaccoustic8974]

Christ.... how is someone not fired already? Every "patch" comes with a new screw up; and never just a minor "woopsie" either.

[@inyobill]

"Didn't go quite as planned." Hunh, imagine that. My game is broken. I tried to play unmodded to start figgeriing out if/which mod(s) broke it, non-obvious how to do that. THey should let only slightly computer folks like me play it to see what the issues are, but, y'know, screw Beta Test,. let the useres alpha test it for us.

[@LongJourneys]

This game could have been so amazing. It crashes every other time I try to play it now

[@Kevinlre]

can anyone tells me why my buildings not leveling up? they've been hard stuck on level one and lot of my high density even collapsed. I've already lower the tax to nearly 1%. all service buildings have been built. none of them complain about rent and yet they're not leveling up

[@hadtologin9260]

I have the same issue in some areas of the city, but not the others. Seems like they might not have good access to some services but it's unclear which, because everything is green in info views. Looks like a UI issue and the game not telling you what it wants clearly enough imo

[@SuperMickyChow]

It's because the game is a broken, buggy mess.

[@kevinspires9561]

Colossal order is an incredible game company that u fortunately fell victim to paradox interactive. Their reputation is completely destroyed now. Time for them to go indie

[@khaliks]

i'll wait til -50% price drop and 2+ years of fixing. Same?

[@blackineese]

Controller playing is for us console players who decided to get it on PC and cant use mouse and keyboard play because we have always been console players.

[@maedero05]

Players, again experience the reality of cloud games. What you build moght be probably broken with next update ? Coty life deluxe, Simcity 4, older rts and trAnsport builders time like that only live as long there're old windowd versions , that willl be preserved as long as we can, nothing can teplace that. Today, sad times for the gamets !

[@bugritall]

Can't wait for Paradox to do the right thing and refund everyone's money!

[@comradedusty9186]

This game is yet more proof that we are living in the worst timeline.

[@jasontotalwar]

have no fear guys manor lords is nearly here haha

[@marekkos3513]

for sure the economy system and fake simulation , are the main issues in CS2

[@cirugo7042]

I read the notes. Nothing that encouraged me to reinstall yet.

[@Daniele858585]

My simulation speed went from 0,15 to 0,18!!! In "just" 10 years it will be 1x........ maybe........

[@bohdanilkiv2208]

Cool cool cool. I lost interest to CS2 already Waiting for Manor Lords?

[@ralvolvi7668]

Why is it with every update, the game feels like it regresses in terms of development.

[@Vallenthorne]

Man imagine how much more time the devs would have to work on their game if they just kept modding as it was in CS

[@dumdumbinks274]

But they couldn't do that unless they didn't create CS2...

[@MrBillclintin]

This is yet another time the devs say the game is unfinished, and we don't plan to compensate you. And a beach dlc in a game with no beaches is not a compensation until they add some beach tools to the game. A proper beach dlc could be nice and something new compared to cs1.

[@joshuam20]

Funny thing, the devs aren't in charge of compensation, refunds or any business decisions. That's Paradox's thing

[@Bambeakz]

The only patch i want is that they refund the game to me. Lost all my trust in this team. Release a broken POS even when they got the extra time when the release was delayed and 6 months later the game (including mods) is still a mess.

[@frog19970118]

For me the update made playing the game on my highend PC unbearable. Yesterday I was having 35~45 fps and around 60 on pause. Today is between 10~17 fps, on pause ~30 fps. And the graphics look kinda weird, like the details are less somehow. Population 220k. PC: RTX 4070 ti, 32 gb ram, i5 14th gen. Anyone else noticed something similar?

[@Boss-Possum]

Paradox - What's the matter, do you guys not have loaded wallets for us?

[@BrotherAlpha]

I trust Colossal Order to get the game working, eventually. It is clear Paradox made them rush out the game to avoid a poor sales quarter. However, I won't be buying this game until it is working as well the first CS.

[@burntbybrighteyes]

I don’t wanna start a pointless argument and generally you are right but it feels like what’s going on with this game was more than just „the publisher made us rush out the game“. CS2 doesn’t feel like Paradox said „right are you nearly done? We’re releasing this wether you need 4 more months or not“ it feels like it was in pre Alpha and needed 2 more years. Not even a publisher can be so stupid to think this might work. I don’t wanna make any allegations but it almost feels like colossal order was afraid of paradox because they took to long and pretended as if the problems they both knew they had could be fixed in a few months.

[@jordanking7711]

Exactly. At the end of the day, this is ALL Paradox’s doing and we shouldn’t place the blame on CO at all.

[@jordanking7711]

@@burntbybrighteyesRemember CDPR? The publishers did the same thing with Cyberpunk 2077 and forced the dev team to rush a broken game out the door, only to have the dev team call the publishers and management out for it in a later conference call. The developers don’t have the final say in games that you might think.

[@burntbybrighteyes]

@@jordanking7711 with cdpr it was in house publishing, so it was the same people overlooking the project but yes it was one of the most prominent and negative examples of rushed realeses in gaming history. I don’t think that we should start measuring things by the worst imaginable case. I’m not talking about „the devs“ as in Tim who’s map design artist #3, of course these guys have no influence on these decisions and no fault but the developing studio has higher ups and a ceo too. It’s their job to convince the publisher that a release like cs2s will lead to catastrophe and ultimatelely to loosing out on sales. Sure the publisher ultimately calls the shots but never putting any amount of blame on the higher ups at the studio is absolving then of their responsibility. The captain is in command but it was CO’s Boss‘ job to be on the lookout for the giant iceberg that was coming towards Ship CS2.

[@vaughn1804]

This has been going on for decades. My first and last Creative Assembly game was Total War: Rome 1. It was buggy as hell on release and patching took many more steps than modern day.

[@LocalCapitalGains]

Can’t wait for PS5 release

[@davidfl4]

What is going on over there? One game breaking, community disappointment after another?