Fabulous Havoc X2 First Ride

First impression ride on the Fabulous Havoc X2. Here's a link if you want to check it out! www.fabulousebikes.com/online...

[@johnking1233]

That thing is beautiful . Anyone who was into BMX back in the day is drooling over this . I am anyway . Dual motors great for big fellas

[@SMG-lz1zq]

Wow! What a little beast! Can't wait for the next video.

[@Seafariireland]

WOW! Looks like the torque I need for my hills and maybe for pulling my dogs on a trailer? SkipRay, Kerry, Ireland. Can’t wait to see your full review.

[@ericcariaga7052]

Fabulous also makes the EMX extreme 60 volt which has dual 750 watt motors. I own one and it's fantastic! You're right you need to change the settings I hit a top speed of 32 mph and man is it quick to get there! Love it!

[@bernlitzner2739]

I ended up putting motorcycle tires on mine. Use it for the trails and muddy conditions. I also changed the settings so the front tire is not spinning out all the time.

[@vermin33]

How is yours setup mine is C4 0 C5 2 C14 3 is there any other settings you may have these seem to work the best for me and pulls like crazy love my EMX

[@neccy4896]

I'm about to but an EMX xtreme xt. Is changing the setting for front tire easy. Can you share a how to do it. I want to neuter the front motor a bit as soon as I get it to avoid constant burnouts. Any information given would be appreciated.

[@fabulousebikes1110]

The big difference in dual motors is the quick responsive power when you accelerate. No single motor ebike can compete. Whereas dual 750 motors do top out in the 32-35mph a single motor ebike of 1000watts can go to 36-38mph with controllers as low as 25amp. but the feeling will always be laggy compared to dual motors. Dual motor bikes can also go up ski hills without stressing the motors as much, a rear wheel will suffer and either not make it or blow the controller or motor. I am not defending either one just stating the difference. Top speed single motor, responsive power dual.

[@jbwjr54]

Great preview ride!👍

[@E-BikingAdventures]

I do food deliveries and I bought their Trail Step elite. It was the best ebike I could find that was most suited for deliveries.

[@goldbearbunny4787]

Yesssss I've been waiting. I just bought the step thru X2 from fabulous

[@Bluelightbandit]

😊

[@vermin33]

that awesome bro. I really love my EMX. crazy torch

[@tomm2639]

Dual motor are def the way to go hope to see more on many more bikes

[@Kolsch221]

So in your opinion what’s better, this bike or the AMP rider Volt DS?

[@tiger7777]

Nice bike. Just wondering, and thinking, they should make that controller so the front motor parameters can be set seperate from the back motor parameters so that it doesn't spin the front wheel and yet have the front motor pulling. Just something to think about.

[@rexmaricle9862]

Want to know how it compares to the amprides limited DS for power n climbing hills n price difference.

[@rotary65]

I own a Fablulous e-bike (Trail Step Elite) and love it. I really appreciate you showing this dual motor monster. My favorite part was when you showed how dual motors make power turns tricky and potentially dangerous. Never having owned or used a dual motor e-bike, I hadn't considered this. They seem best suited to hill climbs at slower speeds. Perhaps the 20 inch tire size was a contributing factor as well?

[@kevinhorning3624]

kool ride guy.

[@snosister]

ugh. the delivery damage. :-( Been there, done that. Nice vid- looking forward to more :-)

[@emaguigad]

Nice looking bike. Is this the one suppose to compete with the Aerial Rider Grizzly? I thought this Havoc2 was going to come with dual batteries too.

[@omo7945]

Does the PAS work flawlessly when using dual motor mode?

[@melvinbelcher7606]

Charge to 80% makes the battery last longer maybe even doubling the life cycle.

[@rodmorrison47]

That is one good looking bike. Such a pity they're totally illegal here in the UK.

[@RidingDirtyAdventures]

WOW ! this is a torque monster hill crusher... what an awesome bike

[@darcyrobinson8754]

do you have shop code or link to buy from fabulous?

[@myrtleadams]

I am very short and short arms can you make the handlebars closer or the seat closer to you

[@JD-vh1qd]

Sounds really loud. Can use throttle with out ruining your tires ?

[@CitizenCycle925]

So much torque the front tire spins on takeoff, engages fine if you are already moving though

[@DriverJ-N]

Faster than the wicked freedom by a few seconds in the hill climb 😮 dual motors do have some pros

[@Altema22]

If that's the 20Ah battery, it would be interesting to see the bigger battery since this one looks so huge. They are probably limiting the charge to 80% to extend the total battery life, as dendrite growth (needle-like crystal growths that form inside lithium ion batteries) most commonly occur at 100 charge. Dual motors are great, but it has me thinking which would be better: dual 750 watt motors or one 3,000 watt motor? In sand, dual motors rule, but on pavement and grass, I'm not so sure. I certainly agree that acceleration is important, and love the way extra torque climbs hills. I remember the first gas/electric group ride in Branford Connecticut, and when we got to the steep switchbacks going up to the city overlook, the gas mopeds got left behind.

[@fabulousebikes1110]

The battery is big because it is a 60v 20Ah battery, 1,200watt hours. if it was a 48v battery it would be comparable to a 25Ah battery. so we did actually go a little bigger. In the 48v version we have the standard 20Ah battery and the 30Ah battery, now thats a real tall battery.

[@MrTimmmers]

Another wired bike video on here, he got the bike in a box with a picture of a flat screen TV on the box with the wired logo, a clever way to get them to be careful with the delivery?

[@kalibang9860]

I'm from UK can I buy one? is the company shipping to the UK? Will really appreciate thanks❤

[@E-BikingAdventures]

Fabulous ebikes are in montreal Canada. You would have to contact them to find out. I live about 2 hours away in Ottawa. I ordered one of their bikes on a friday, it shipped on the following monday and I received it the next day(tuesday).

[@ufanisoneetze]

What if it only had one motor? Would you still recommend the chasis design ?

[@CitizenCycle925]

I can see this being a polarizing frame design. It feels tall for a 20in wheel bike. Folding frames are not my favorite because these bikes are too heavy to fold and load easily. This frame does give you rear suspension though.

[@jimmyjames8736]

My main issue with this frame design is battery placement. That is a big heavy battery and it is mounted on the rear swingarm. The rear hub and battery combine for a ton of unsprung weight in the back which severely limits suspension performance. And it has a heavy hub up front that reduces fork performance too. Having a heavy hub up front can be worth the ride compromise for the extra torque. But bouncing the big battery on the swingarm was a poor choice that they should have avoided imo.

[@fabulousebikes1110]

@@jimmyjames8736 disagree, folding is also for people that need to transport the ebikes, so taking out battery was important. As well how else would you get such a big battery on the bike? Putting it in the frame for this style is not possible. The bike has gone through high jumps and no movement to the battery what so ever. Air suspension in the back and what Citizen did not mention yet is the Front RST suspension is also AIR!!

[@jimmyjames8736]

@@fabulousebikes1110 The battery location is not the design problem, just the execution of it. The battery could be in the same location on the bike but attached rigidly off the back of the seat tube. Then the swingarm could have used suspension linkage pivot points at the sides of the battery cradle to transfer motion past the battery to the shock. The bike could have still folded the same as it does now. And it would have avoided having all that battery mass adding to the unsprung weight load of the rear suspension. The wider spacing of the linkage pivots would have also added torsional rigidity to the swingarm. Designs are just a series of choices. There are always alternative ways of doing things. Your post that seems to suggest that bouncing the battery on the rear suspension was the only way to make this bike is kind of surprising.

[@snosister]

I think the battery is the 30 and not the 20- The 20 amp hour is shorter than that one.

[@brianbarney1885]

Dang! This things so powerful and heavy that I could probably tow my Lance 1995 travel trailer with it ‘cause I sure couldn’t carry it in the trailer nor get it into my Tundra TV 😂😂😂😂!

[@mickster1780]

hill climbing beast! not a fan of the quirky frame design though. that would be a dealbreaker for me. hey, almost 30k subs 😎

[@frankhaag6232]

How much torque does it have?

[@CitizenCycle925]

Each wheel is 60v 750w with 100nm of torque

[@TheMikeTownsend]

Just a little damage... Saves you from having to worry about dumping it, other than road rash.

[@eugenematthews5176]

looks like the Volt DS, Amp Rides......🙂. really nice.............

[@kelownaxr6508]

When are you going to test the Fabulous Road Warrior X 60v ?

[@kdscrapping4452]

I have that one you are talkin about!!

[@kelownaxr6508]

@@kdscrapping4452 Nice!how does it compare power wise to a 48 volt bike.I have read the reviews the service is exceptional! I own a Voltbike Yukon 750

[@kdscrapping4452]

@@kelownaxr6508 Awesome bike . You can see it on my channel!!

[@kelownaxr6508]

@@kdscrapping4452 What is the weight of you 60V Awd ?

[@kdscrapping4452]

@@kelownaxr6508 Not sure , maybe 85 pounds!!

[@kennethbutler7291]

How about the Fabulous Road Warrior X2?

[@fabulousebikes1110]

haha We sent a Road Warrior X2 to Citizen to review this week. Wait for it soon.

[@FreakyT333]

Maybe they are limiting that battery charge to 80% due to the controller possibly having an upper voltage limit around the 62v mark?? I know others mentioned battery longevity but why would they care enough about that on a prototype sent to reviewers to brag about. I would think they prefer full power performance over how long their test bike battery lasts…

[@kevinnashskitchen3517]

Why does that look like a replica of Amp Rides bike?

[@kevinnashskitchen3517]

Yes.. Looks like an Amp Rides folder bike. Almost to a T

[@myrtleadams]

I forgot what is the price

[@snosister]

any updates?

[@CitizenCycle925]

full review coming Tuesday 4/11

[@vermin33]

set C5 setting to 2 you won't get as much wheel spin and still have full power. But it may be a different screen than my EMX. oh yah C14 to 3. and C4 to 0

[@fabulousebikes1110]

new controllers and screens, setting are done differently...KT lcd cant do dual motors yet.

[@davidcrowson4745]

They probably don't allow you to charge the battery at 100% it's not safe to keep one at 100% long. Could be dangerous during shipping.

[@E-BikingAdventures]

What does not allowing you to fully charge it have to to do with shipping. No ebikes from any company are shipped with a fully charged battery.

[@fabulousebikes1110]

Because the batteries are new 60v and being tested as well we used a smaller charger that will not charge over 80% on purpose. Once released we will make sure you get ever ounce of power out of them. It is always safer to leave batteries at 60% when not used and preferably when shipping.

[@davidcrowson4745]

@@fabulousebikes1110 thank you for responding this information is helpful.

[@frankhaag6232]

I want one with a 30 amp battery

[@jasonkrantz8946]

40 is fun 🎉

[@jimmyjames8736]

This Havoc bike looks similar to the Amp Rides Volt DS but with dual motor mag wheels. I like the looks of mag wheels but the motors in them never seem to perform as well as regular spoked hubs. This Havoc climbs and accelerates very well but is going to have poor top speed for a bike that is marketed to performance enthusiasts. Dual motor Grizzly with 52v has better speed.

[@kevinnashskitchen3517]

This bike seems tame compared to the Road Warrior X2 I bet.

[@Juice421fs]

Whats top speed?

[@E-BikingAdventures]

He doesn't know know that yet.

[@CONSCIOUS_TALK_ENT.]

60 V battery, The wicked (Wired) Cheaper and more powerful with bigger tires.

[@paulcoinc]

Being a prototype that is probably being used by a bunch of people both before and after you the bike has probably been beat up. Not saying UPS and FEDEX are gentle but they may not be the only one who have damaged it. Like say someone who doesn't know to start with the rear motor then start the front motor to prevent wheel spin. Just saying.

[@DYNABIKE1]

Something for everybody - - ->>> Not Me though - -🤪🤦‍♂

[@JCIIIBULLET]

Are you looking at my battery? 🐔 bwahahahahaha ❕

[@jonradliff2103]

I LOVE the power of this bike, but don't want to keep tearing up my front tire. QUESTION: I'm a newbie to e-bikes, but am a motorcycle rider for over 50 years. Here's the question: Can't I "start out" in rear wheel drive only, and once I get some speed going, why can't I just hit the "red button" and engage the front tire (2 wheel drive) on the move? Or perhaps I can already do that with this bike and NO ONE is showing us that we can do that. If we can already do this with this Havoc X2, you need to get someone out there ( Citizen Cycle ) to show us. There are ALOT of KZbinrs who show all these All Wheel Drive bikes tearing up the front tires. It's stupid. We want the power, but don't want to keep tearing up our bikes. Seems like a "simple" fix to me. If that feature is already on this bike, could you please show us that it has that feature to "shift on the fly"... Thank youi....

[@CitizenCycle925]

Yes, the front motor can be engaged on the fly with the push of a button 🙂

[@jonradliff2103]

@@CitizenCycle925 Thank you so much Mr. Citizen. You do an AMAZING job on your channel. Perhaps on your "further reviews" on this bike, you could "show" us how to start in rear wheel, and shift on the fly to see how much more "jump" you get once you push the button and engage the front wheel after you're already moving. Just sayin...... Thank you again for such a timely response and all you do!

[@PandaEFX]

Over 2 grand for that bike? Not really feeling it.

[@snosister]

are you in the States? NO sales tax, FREE delivery AND the Exchange rate on the Canadian dollar ( about 25% off ! 2 grand = 1400 U.S. ! ) is a NICE built in discount :-)

[@E-BikingAdventures]

More than 25%

[@PandaEFX]

@@snosister I already did the conversion to 2 grand US.

[@kcretired1032]

Love your AWD build and ebike vids. See Fabulous is in Ontario, do they sell and ship to US? Hope Fabulous Loans you the Warrior X2(26x4 tires)? I see their price is $3299.00 CA which is about $2450.00 US currency.

[@Hoggdoc1946]

Bummer another bike that limits throttle to 20 mph. Folding design looks little crude to me.

[@E-BikingAdventures]

All ebikes sold here in Canada are shipped with the settings set at 32km/h(20mph). You just need to go into the settings and change it.

[@CONSCIOUS_TALK_ENT.]

Kinda overpriced. I woukd say 300$ or 400$ less and its buyable.

[@craigerskine3609]

That ebike looks horrible

[@fabulousebikes1110]

Sometimes what you see in picture and whats in front of you is way different. Havoc is probably the most comfortable bike and personally i find it an awesome looking ebike. Up close it is a mean machine. But we can respect your decisions.

[@wctyre49]

Awesome performance but it is a ugly bike imo.