Citlali: The Issue With Cryo and Elemental Mastery | Genshin Impact 5.3 Gameplay Analysis

[@Υυα-τ6ε]

Quite honestly i expected her to buff superconduct due to her colour scheme since several Natlan units followed a similar pattern. I am disappointed my Fremi isn't getting a buff, but my Arlecchino and Gaming are so... Still winning ig

[@eeveeofalltrades4780]

And Ororon is Electro, so it would have made sense if she buffed Superconduct.

[@Υυα-τ6ε]

@eeveeofalltrades4780 i didn't even think about that, it'd be very cute especially since she raised him

[@w444rbv]

Still happy ororon buffer electro charge and now my cyno isn't so weird with his 15s dps window perfect quickbloom with ororon furina baizhu

[@jerryx5195]

​superconduct buff would have been perfect for Eula. Shielder/battery/buffer

[@SonOfYahudah9]

Part of me feels like we will get a third Artifact Domain specialized for Granny and Mavuika. It's odd we still only have the two shus far.

[@ayaandaepic]

personally, I think the em scaling is mostly there to give additional incentive to playing her with pyro dpses that can also apply pyro off field to let her reverse melt her burst, so characters like mavuika, yoimiya, and even dehya if you really want to use her as a dps, that way they both sorta support each other and help each other do more damage

[@SeravySensei]

Except, you need lots of Crit and Cryo DMG bonus to deal good Melt damage because it snot a transformative reaction with a fixed base damage, and she can't have either because EM main stat pieces with no crit subs take artifact and weapon slots. (And even with EM weapon and triple EM artis her shield is worse than Layla's lol so it's not like you can afford giving up any EM either)

[@Huntero135]

If cryo can react with dendro cores....

[@bakakussy9070]

@@Huntero135 LITERALLY! I saw someone on reddit recommending that D + C = Could cause Weakening/Erosion like superconduct in electro + Cryo buffing the physical res, but in this typa reaction of D + C it could be the decrease of elemental res which would be to weaken the target through a reaction either called erosion/weakening.

[@AevyCh]

From what I can see, the EM scaling is simply there to avoid the issues of having completely different builds for multiple teams (anything other than Artifact Loadout 💀). They first tried it with Sethos & it works really well. She might not buff Superconduct, but that won't stop me >:D

[@Kanna-Kan]

I lowkey hope Skirk's gameplay will be tied to superconduct Not that she will be physical, but overall will play of this reaction or buff it somehow as a unit (which is probably very unlikely, but.. Hey, I can still dream of it)

[@normal6483]

@@Kanna-Kan Since she doesn't have a vision yet and currently fights with non-elemental abilities, it would make sense if she fights with physical damage to represent her abyssal/quantum powers. If that's the case, she'll probably really enjoy physical teams, and if she uses a sword or polearm she might be the first physical DPS that can actually benefit from Mika's kit due to not having insane hitlag. (Honestly I expect her to be a sword DPS whose skill increases her attack speed to an insane amount, allowing her to use tons of normal attacks. It would allow her to charge Mavuika's Fighting Spirit, and that would explain why they allowed Fighting Spirit to be charged by normal attacks in addition to Night Soul points.)

[@Kanna-Kan]

@@normal6483 Ohhh, you're right! I didn't hope for hoyo to introduce a new element in their game any soon, but this sounds damn cool too I kinda hope her gameplay will be satisfying, for example fast like you said, or maybe unique, because so far I don't like any of the cryo dps' in the game Having someone broken and nice to play sounds like a good deal to me personally

[@xXzman9000Xx]

@@Kanna-Kan realistically they will likely add quantum and imaginary as elements sooner or later, since genshin is in the hoyoverse and those two elements specifically are pretty core to the entire universe. if they do add a new element for skirk its 100% going to be quantum cause her abilities literally resemble quantum from their other hoyoverse universe games. though it wouldn't surprise me at all if her element was lightning since lightning is very "quantum element" coded as well some times.

[@alpha4935]

The EM scaling would have made more sense if her DMG multipliers were higher and she shredded Cryo RES too so she could have more relevance as a sub-DPS.

[@sinematic06]

I understand Layla is not the best slot on Mavuika’s team with Xilonen & Bennett. But I still think she’s pretty good. I have the Key on her. Great shield, the stars flying off the shield plus her off field cryo app with her burst. I get that Layla doesn’t have the things in her kit like Citlali has but I think Layla is an excellent f2p substitute but idk maybe I’m wrong

[@mmdinnovations2990]

I often use Layla w Arlecchino in the Abyss. She works just fine.

[@kingofdivinerealm]

@@sinematic06 use furina instead

[@sinematic06]

@@kingofdivinerealm I get it for vape but people are saying Citlali is best in slot for melt teams and I think Layla is a great way to play melt if you can’t afford to get Citlali

[@kingofdivinerealm]

@@sinematic06 citlali buff but layla doesn't, so furina is better.

[@someonesomewhere8658]

Just a heads up, key is actually kind of difficult to proc using Layla. You have to use her skill (making sure it hits an enemy), swap to set up another character, then swap back in just as the stars from her shield are firing at an enemy. If you just use skill and swap off, it's never going to proc the key's team buff

[@whatisbow2865]

Does it really matter? Everyone will just go with the ER+whatever scales with her shield build. Her EM scaling does work with reverse melt, which is the only other thing she can do. At least catalyst has a lot of good EM weapon options

[@arocomisgamusclademork1603]

Except if playing crit or NOT for melt!

[@Praceus-27]

@whatisbow2865 her shield scales off em at lvl 9 her it has 976% of her EM as shield health + like 2k extra

[@whatisbow2865]

@@Praceus-27 I know how her kit works. The issue is whether her being a cryo EM scaler brings anything to the table. Her kit is more than enough for the purpose that people will play her as such. Anything more is just an overloaded kit

[@orang9869]

i was thinking that her cryo application is at least once per second, so her em scaling is utilized better with her as forward melt enabler and reverse melt subdps at the same time

[@lucifermorningstar8387]

Most pyro dps dont apply that much pyro. If they do, they are better off with Vape (Hu Tao and Diluc). She’ll still allow meta dps (Mavuika Arle) to melt a majority of their attacks

[@orang9869]

@lucifermorningstar8387 *cough *cough xiangling. Energy issue yes, but she could be built full energy for sole purpose of application. Klee or Yanfei + plus dendro also able to supply enough pyro for consistent Forward vape or melt, in my Furina case

[@tristanmanalo6252]

​@@orang9869If you want a reversed melt and forward vape for Citlali the best team is klee with nahida. The burning and constant application of pyro and dendro can't be overwritten by hydro and cryo, that's even more powerful than xiangling

[@CelVini]

Clearly if she had any other scalling she would be worst Atk only works for Melt Def doesen't work with any reaction HP doesen't work with any reaction Em helps ocasional Superconducts and Melts

[@will_d_an]

Citlali is just a dedicated Chasca support for the Furina Bennet team comp. She's really designed for her

[@lucifermorningstar8387]

Cryo reactions hopefully get a rework at some point down the line

[@notsolong]

For the em scaling part, i think you forget that she have to melt at some point to get cinder city buff, so it not really a bad thing to assumed you gonna melt with your burst

[@spiderninja_1]

Oh for sure! Melting with Burst is the goal to maximize her kit. I'm just a bit concerned about application and auras possibly preventing that from happening. But we'll get our answer upon release.

[@someonesomewhere8658]

​@@spiderninja_1the key is just to avoid removing pyro with her skill cast before she bursts, or have off field pyro that will reapply after her skill cast

[@gioka6914]

I think Iansan would be an Electro applicator for Citlali to superconduct and Will also have benefits with superconduct (maybe physical dps?) and/or overload dps

[@auro8236]

An idea I had that could make freeze more valuable is to have it apply a “frosted” aura to enemies that the reaction triggers on which appears as a white-blue frosty tint on enemies. What it could do is increase the incoming crit damage an enemy takes while it lasts. Let’s say 7 seconds or so. The amount of crit damage the increase gives could scale based on a few different things, but what I thought could be good is the triggering character’s EM / ATK or HP I feel like crit damage would be a good upgrade as to me cryo is the element of critting considering it’s resonance gives crit rate. I’m not really sure how much crit damage it would give base on the attack but let’s just say that an off field hydro or cryo unit building around 800 EM would give around 70 crit damage. And a 1000 EM character would get around 90% like how stacking 1000 EM on dendro characters like nahida is most optimal and any more suffers from scaling issues. The frosted aura would be removed by pyro but not electro, meaning physical dps would work with it. I’m not sure how good the numbers are or if this idea has been discussed much on this channel before but I just felt like sharing my thoughts on how cryo could be made better. I think 6.0 is the perfect opportunity for Genshin to rework or expand upon the element as they KNOW freeze just doesn’t work in a lot of increasingly common situations.

[@adeniyimarvellous8259]

To be honest, Citlali is in a better spot of bringing something to the table than mauvuika, like mauvika is yet again another pyro dps nothing more, considering how lackluster the pyro support roaster is, I would expect mauvika to fill it up that spot, but alas she is just another pyro dps, and as someone who already has the best pyro dpses in their best teams, mauvika brought nothing new to the table I really wonder when we would ever get another Bennet cus the need for Bennet for every new dps including mauvika is quite irritating, we got another better xingqui in form of yelan and furina,now you can use both on one side and the other one another for the abyss but for pyro we are stuck with Bennet and Xiangling, a lot of dps are in constant battle for use with Bennet in their best teams, I really can’t wait for us to get a second Bennet, the pyro roaster is getting boring

[@l0tusnc]

unlike other pyro dpses, mavuika can apply pyro off field and be a good support, specially utilizing the scroll set. It's not fair to say she's just "another pyro dps and nothing more", cause she brings value to your account in many other ways. And before people say "her pyro app is slower than xiangling's tho", mavuika's app is enough in pretty much every team, and xiangling is only really necessary on tartaglia and raiden teams.

[@Patpig10]

Mavuika can replace Xiangling in many teams especially when her off field doesn't need energy + she buff on field characters aaaaaaand can ruin the night soul buff artifacts. Basically not just another DPS but a sub one as well or pure support. Basically like the Raiden Shogun without ER but Atk buff.

[@bun50cm]

Cry more. I love to watch how people try to make mavuika is not worth to pull

[@cynicalmandate]

I think she'll be great for Abyss and bosses or longer battles, but since her Cryo application is based on her burst being up, I don't think she has great overworld value.

[@vladys001]

I've never seen anyone playing with so much camera shaking

[@Chiski_Kanacheshka]

What if with enough em on a cryo character you could freeze enemies for longer and with enough application, freeze bosses too?

[@joelazaro461]

Maybe the EM scaling is a sinister plot to make you want to use Sanctifying Elixir to craft EM pieces that refuse to drop, which will incentivize you to buy the BP to get an extra elixir since they're so scarce.

[@SeravySensei]

EM scaling (if not used for reactions) is a massive disadvantage. -EM main stat artifacts are at minimum 2-3 times more rare than other stats -EM has 0 base stat even at max character level unlike hp or ATK so you can't afford not running EM main stats -Being limited to EM weapons narrows build options even further. Fortunately Catalyst at least has Sacrificial.

[@jmde.e]

now I wish they had made her first passive to boost electro and cryo damage when triggering superconduct also why not Physical damage.

[@spiderninja_1]

I think it would've felt a bit out of place, since buffing Electro would be weird for a Physical-based team, and buffing Physical feels weird for Elemental-focused buffing. If/when they make a dedicated Superconduct unit, the devs should have more flexibility to make the design feel cohesive.

[@giorgostrim3709]

I think as a Natlan unit it makes sense she woukd buff pyro. Maybe Skirk can do something to revitalise the cryo meta

[@daneddieloayon2701]

3:16 BIIIICH WHO COMPLAINING?? I want her to buff Cryo so much 😡😭 why did they take her cryo damage bonus away from the beta omg 😭😭, she couldve been a great buffer for Wrio Melt 😭 also a decent upgrade for Ayaka Freeze somehow, that cryo damage bonus is everything, i wish they kept it, combine it with Shenhe and Cryo would actually be useful now

[@Jayfeather4x]

Boy was the book intro relatable ❤

[@ZECRA602]

Cryo is once again, in the dumps

[@joec.6043]

pretty niche character *like most 5 stars* however she buffs hydro and pyro dps, although her shield is not that strong compared to shielders like zhongli, her cryo application is quite good even phenomenal.

[@vladys001]

The video and discussion is interesting

[@hihello-ki5of]

Do you think an Arlecchino, Xilonen, Citlali, and Bennett team work?

[@liukdraws]

Hi there I think new entries will be focused on EM when it comes to the cryo region. That’s when citlali will shine.

[@dave2609]

she's perfect wym i love her

[@XSun999]

idk why hoyo put em scaling on her it makes her shield strength limited compared to hp or atk scaling which means even at max em her shield is still weak

[@rpdotg7408]

"either that or sm*t" REAL

[@cwcth769]

C2 R1 Mavuika or Mavuika C0R1 and Citlali C0R1 which would be best if I have Xilonen C0R0 and Furina C6 R1 as supports...

[@Borderlines]

Will Citlali deal more reverse melt than Rosaria with a Cinder/support build?

[@SeravySensei]

To me she feels like a 3 star Layla honestly. She has weaker shield, higher ER cost, wants more rare artifacts, and even if her damage technically exists, it's less than the damage of a clam set healer and comes with like 40:80 crit ratio at best due to the rarity of EM pieces. Ok, she buffs team damage but if I don't play F12, this level of buffing is too low to be relevant. So what if I save 3 seconds on my Emblem domain runs? Oh wait she can't even buff there because she'll react with the electro on the enemies, and my hydro/pyro units will not get either buff. And the final nail in the coffin, she is a shielder for Hydro/Pyro teams. But Furina teams don't want that, they want a healer. Even Sigewinne had better pull value than this pile of garbage.

[@Darkmango714]

I think they did EM cuz theres already alot of Hp scalings sheilders so that might be part of it also thr pyro res also helps in Mavika teams

[@wellberightback4861]

I think that making her whole kit scale with EM was one of the only few ways to not make her an overly potent shielding and buffer at the same time, specifically because she has both of them If everything scaled with attack, she would have been a buffer, shielder, and dps even despite the fact that she doesn't res shred cryo at base

[@lynetteenjoyner]

smut is insane 😭😭 (real)

[@masa9235]

Why doesn’t she have some kind of synergy with Ororon?

[@firesoul2759]

How does she help with chasca? bennet and a water unit?

[@sinimale]

Hello can we use citlali with Shenhe C6???

[@andreym.374]

Do you think she will be top unit for arlecchino? Which team for arli you think the best if you cant use best neuvilette team (furina, xilonen, kazuha) ? Arli, yepan, bennet … ?

[@ThawminTheChildEater]

Hydro and pyro resistance decrease + melt so yes.

[@Random_Commentor_On_That_Video]

I wouldn't mind if she was free she'd be worth use obviously lol but i have too many cryo characters, and my best teams are dendro

[@Kill3rrockstar]

Imma plop her right on my navia, furina, kokomi team replacing my rosaria

[@MechFrankaTLieu]

well look like she really need a rainbow team , relying solely on one reaction is too restricting and especially when the kit do not actually scale well , if I just need the shell I just go for Layla

[@jamyan14]

So she is just a Zhongli powercreep?

[@Zeon_SpaceX]

She's niche. Pyro-hydro limitation, majority buffs locked behind cons and bis, need natlan teammates

[@vladys001]

Design and character S Gameplay A-S? depends team flexibility seems very low B-C

[@cubyology]

that intro???

[@YukiTheOkami]

Honestly thie, should hVe gVe vmher an extra phys shred and shatter bonous and def scaling to buff eula back up😅 poor eula üppe raizor hobestly

[@MeganeKoEx]

Goodbye Bennett Kazuha Impact....

[@skoverton5553]

This is definitely a video…

[@simplysolus8916]

Just for note, super conduct can now be effective against large groups for quadric spam. That said, its more fitting to use Ganyu for that sort of thing.

[@ZhuangJN]

Demuritay

[@donovanmoran7937]

at least its not another Fremi or Eula, such potencial wasted on characters that work better Physical dmg

[@Nuzzles_n_Wuzzles]

11:28 byeeeeee~

[@veto8611]

Her kit is meh but the fact she is cryo offeild support that can use cinder city wlready makes her op

[@salceds]

We all skipped Citlali for Emilie rerun

[@Quinqyincy]

Lol im pulling for citlali

[@reversal3628]

Already pulled her back then so no.

[@salceds]

@@Quinqyincy Someone has to

[@salceds]

@@reversal3628 Nobody cares

[@reversal3628]

@@salceds But I did care for you. Here's attention you looked for.

[@xanderx3788]

Genshin has some of the stupidest scaling stats ever. Like hp on shielders: thanks, I'm really gonna need all those extra hp on a character I'll likely keep on field for 0.5 seconds each rotation. Now imagine how much better it would be if skills scaled off a specific cumulative (teamwide) Stat. This way you could give zhongli an atk build for thicc meteors and have a busted shield thanks to team mates like Neuvilette, furina or Hu Tao (raising the cumulative total hp of the team). Same for defence scaling. You could give your albedo in mono geo itto a full atk build for burst nuking while still having a buffed elemental skill thanks to itto and gorou's defence. This would open up so many new and interesting comps, builds and odd synergies it's unreal.

[@Dumb_Plushie]

Dehya havers are eating well, I see. . .

[@FTLNewsFeed]

I think that your expectations were miscalibrated. You expect her to be a Cryo unit that supports Cryo when she's a Cryo unit that supports Pyro and Hydro. She's clearly meant to support Mavuika given she applies Cryo every 2 seconds and Mavuika applies Pyro every 2 seconds, so trying to apply her kit to today's characters is missing her niche as a Mavuika Melt support - or at least that's my take on her kit.

[@spiderninja_1]

Oh, I never had an issue with her being a Pyro/Hydro support. It was more that the way she supports them felt a bit boring, considering that her EM scaling could've opened really cool doors for Cryo reactions.

[@CelVini]

And the Vape-Melt doesen't work with Hu Tao, when she uses her Charged atk on a frozen enemy she triggers Shatter, not vape or melt

[@notsolong]

That assuming there no underlined aura, if you play double hydro the pyro would still vape with the hydro under the freeze aura

[@theshard5697]

@@notsolong Ok sure, but what about Mavuika who literally everyone wants to use with Citlali? I feel like that's the weirdest part. Mavuika doesn't have many Hydro options: Furina, Mona, Barbara... She will Shatter, and Citlali's "ideal" team really doesn't work with her which is super weird imo

[@notsolong]

​​@@theshard5697 3 thing: - you could make team out side of that ideal core. For mavuika it perfectly fine for her to only melt the burst slash and the first 2-3 hit which make citlali fine as a solo cryo. If you want to melt all her hit you could run double cryo but then you either have wonky set up for cinder buff or not using cinder and have to build ton of er to burst every turn. The latter is more likely cuz you want xilonin, who can hold cinder, on your team anyway - there is technically a team fit that ideal thing for citlali and mavuika duo and that is mualani with off field mavuika. Both of them apply every 2 second and the cryo only take half the pyro which leave the other half for mualani to vape. even if only melt is trigger, citlali still shred hydro which make this pretty good - speaking of cinder, in that core you aren't really passing pyro buff cuz citlali only freeze in those team so it not really the "ideal" team for her

[@theshard5697]

@@notsolong for me my biggest problem with Citlali is that I have Xilonen on most teams I want to use her, and without Scroll set, Citlali actually doesnt do very much :( but I think thats a more personal problem than Citlali's kit itself idk

[@notsolong]

@@theshard5697 from my perspective her kit have a pretty clear instructions ngl. Her initial e cast didn't deal damage or apply cryo, meaning the first thing you do while in nightsoul state that apply cryo is burst which consequently have a very big em multiplier and that line up with you happened to want to trigger reaction to get scroll buff. It really cut and dry ngl And for the citlali vs xilonin, i think citlali weaker come down to shielder having the benefits of having infinite interruption resistance thing. They're replacement of each other and not really play together ( You could run petra on citlali on team with xilonin ig, but switch the set around and getting clear rotation would totally result in better damage)

[@NpJp-j4x]

Qiqi

[@kwaakwoo]

Love this video, BUT GIVE ME THE TOXIC YAOI OF ARASHI AND KAITO!!! I NEED IT NOWW 😫

[@Mumelele0]

They make her em scalling rather than hp , coz all of would use ttds rather than pulling for weapon 🗿

[@giorgostrim3709]

Ttds is still the best option for her. And no they made her em scaling because she is supposed to play on melt teams

[@Mumelele0]

@giorgostrim3709 I would use fruit of fulfillment for balancing for em and er for shield and burst uptime