Citroen e-C4 First Drive - Can this EV compete? | Fully Charged for CARS

[@klaushaunstrupchristensen7252]

I absolutely love it. Thanks to Citroën for bringing a car with Rolls Royce comfort aspirations for a more proletarian price. The market are filled with Ferrari wannabe cars, riding with harsh suspension setups and low profile. With most cars one cannot give granny a lift without worrying whether she will lose her teeth at the next road undulation. So bravo Citroën.

[@Barzen873]

Robert "Turn navigation voice off!" NAV9000: "I'm sorry Robert, I'm afraid I can't do that."

[@grantbriggs4442]

Lol

[@ucheucheuche]

I watch Fully Charged preligiously. And I don't have a car, need a car, or currently want a car.

[@tonedcos]

They don't just do cars, there are some great pieces on solar generation and storage, and other forms of power generation ;)

[@_Rafiki.]

You haven't discovered Netflix?

[@GreenJimll]

Ditto! I can never drive a car, but its useful info for talking to people who can.

[@RDMracer]

@@grizzybear9111 I think that you are kind of missing the point...

[@underamoure]

@@grizzybear9111 i am "grown up" and i dont have a car... kid? Am I weird now?

[@abbas1872]

"SatNav woman you have no authority here".

[@snowstrobe]

mute

[@erstwhilegrubstake]

Sounds like a song by Stevie Nicks. :)

[@markiliff]

Jackie Weaver voicing satnav - what a genius idea!

[@davidstuart4915]

@@erstwhilegrubstake ...Stevie....mmmmmmmmmmm :)

[@johanns3142]

I love that soo many new ev’s are coming to the market!

[@ZenuxHD]

Thats true altough most of them are laughable.

[@Yautah]

And that's why I never understood all the fuss about tesla. The smart historical brand will join on too, some (maybe even most) will fail, sure, but some will nail it, and they already have an advantage in infrastructure, relationship, brand identity with some people.. Not saying they will fail, but they probably wont' dominate anytime soon.

[@ZenuxHD]

@@Yautah I dont think so. Tesla has better infrastructure with Superchargers. Also they are way ahead of their competition with technology and infotainment.

[@kbrandt3434]

@@ZenuxHD Agree, the early argument was always that there was no where to charge your car but your home. Tesla's infrastructure made it possible for EV's to gain mobility and allow them to become viable for the average person. There were other just as important things that Tesla had to do to make EVs mainstream, but charging infrastructure was the one most pushed by the traditional automakers.

[@Sto79Be]

@@ZenuxHD I think you underestimate how many people would rather buy from another brand given Tesla’s poor build and quality control reputation. I’d rather have a Volvo, Merc, Audi, or Ford EV over Tesla. Not just because other mass market brands will be cheaper.

[@SergeiJonovich]

Just my take on it, but I think the reason for all the Gizmo's is they actually cost next to nothing for the manufacturer to supply and fit them and are very profitable when customers choose them on their ICE vehicles. On EV's there is an expensive overhead for the actual EV system, so they offset it by bunging in all those gizmo's.

[@simonburleigh1872]

Yes I completely agree with you there

Exactly my thoughts! R&D money has already been spent on all the “shizzle”. So they equip the car fully to make it more appealing, as the price is already high because of battery.

[@voodoobean1973]

@ 50 kWh battery is around £100 per kWh so £5,000 for the battery. As cheap as putting iin a fossil fuel engine...

[@ferkeap]

I think it's in the middle of that. It's also that the market is rich people now. And having to many supply options cost, especially at low volume. What Robert fails to mention is the posh materials are a part of the pricing. And the paint is often a higher end option. This is also a converted ice car, not a good chassis.

[@robertwills3408]

@@ferkeap The platform was developed to support ICE, hybrid and BEV from the start. You could still argue pure-play BEV is better for a BEV model, but this isn't converted from an ICE platform.

[@jedoka]

I wonder if car manufacturers are only releasing expensive ev’s to limit the number they sell, whilst access to batteries is still limited?

[@dufonrafal]

No, they make less margin on EV than ICE, so they're not making them expensive on purpose, they are trying to make them affordable. And they have to because of Europe CO2 regulation, it's less expensive to loose money on an EV than to not sell one.

[@CorwynGC]

That, and the fact that people don't put a value on the electric drive train. "I paid so much for this car and it doesn't even have a heated steering wheel."

[@dufonrafal]

@@CorwynGC Also, those entry level specs are not popular, they represent only about 1% of the sales anyway... People who buy new cars have money and want the full experience, the other buy used cars.

[@limeyjoe1632]

@@dufonrafal Are you sure? Because when you buy a used ICE car there are plenty of base models on the market which somebody must have purchased new.

[@dufonrafal]

​@@limeyjoe1632 the absolute lowest specs ones are pretty rare, at least in western Europe, and it's the only one not available on this electric C4, but even with ICE powertrain, only the most basic powertrain is available.

[@cannygrowabeard]

14:11 I am starting to think Robert wants a Dacia Sandero or even a Lada Niva with no radio, no AC and the powertrain of the Zoe. Wait that’s what I want, I’ll be over here.

[@timsmith5339]

You might want the Dacia Spring?

[@markuc]

Wuling HongGuang Mini will be perfect and it costs less than 5k when it comes to the UK. No frills low range EV that's cheaper than ICE.

[@emgee44]

Nice, I’ve always liked Citroen for being bold and a little bit different from other manufactures.

[@TheRocky3211]

Couldn't agree more about the way these are being priced against ice counterparts. Thanks for showing under the hood , always find it interesting to see how ice manufacturers are packaging the power train in the same body's as the ice cars .

[@pbyfr]

I don't remember what I have under the hood of my Leaf, only opened it when I got it, never since. But I know exectatly what I have in my old ICE.

[@TheRocky3211]

@@pbyfr witchcraft most likely 😁

[@ovi9610]

ICE builders know that if they sell an EV at the same price as a petrol one, they do not sell any more ice cars in the future (as Porsche experimented with the Taycan), but the two big problems for them are: they don't have batteries, and they need to sell also ice cars in the next XX years. The big risk is most of them will go bankrupt this decade.

[@davidclayton9383]

Hood do u mean bonnet

[@astromikael]

11:47 'why can't you buy this electric car WITHOUT all the extra equipment at a cheap price? I haven't seen an answer for that'. This is easy to answer: mainstream manufacturers do not have the production infrastructure (e.g. battery production capacity) to sell E-cars in large numbers. Hence, throwing in all this extra stuff they can argue for a high 'luxury price' and thus keep sales numbers down to managable levels.

[@FlyingFun.]

Gadgets are cheap to fit for the manufacturer , the big markup is just an excuse for more money, my guess is they dont want to sell anything electric cheap because they cannot make enough batteries for high volume and people will just buy them anyway.

[@grahamariss2111]

Because they want to exploit the rich seam of early adopters who are willing to pay premium to go electric, add in that thanks to the favourable tax rate they want to move people to a higher price point.

[@musclerent]

You can buy an electric car without all the "extras", trouble is they aren't much cheaper. The cost of the battery is still very expensive and that's the real problem. Throwing in lots of kit doesn't actually add much to the cost of the car, but makes it look better value. Removing most of the fancy stuff would remove about £1,500 max from the list price!

[@musclerent]

@@grahamariss2111 early adopters...weren't they around 10 years ago?

[@grahamariss2111]

@@musclerent Would be nice if that was now the reality, but with BEV still making up less than 10% of the market they are still not the mainstream choice, which is why they are still coming to market with premium priced 1st Editions.

[@jbmaru]

C'mon Citroën, bring out the electric 2CV!

[@davethepants]

The Duck-E

[@panzerkami2381]

They did. It's called the Ami. I know some will protest but it fills much the same niche (while having four times the horsepower of the original 2CV).

[@nigelrowe2204]

Ami is available.

[@achenarmyst2156]

Fiat has made the 500e. So of course we need Citroen 2CVe and Renault R4e.

[@David-bl1bt]

@@panzerkami2381 ... But can't transport 4/5 people....or hay baked to fields, or take pigs,goats to market....which is what the 2cv was designed to do!

[@Smidge204]

"Froot/Frunk Space - 0 litres" - This is the kind of depth and detail that other reviews fear to plumb.

[@flemminghansen6012]

very nice video, i am getting one in the middle of december and its going to be the shine sport version and in Red Elixier color and its really going to be great and i really cant wait for it, i am really happy about it....greetings from flemming hansen

[@darkkennny1]

11:44 The reason is, that cheap electric cars at this point only make sense when fully equipt because of the higher margins in the extras.

[@anydaynow01]

Exactly battery technology needs to be a lot cheaper, budget minded people have a difficult time wrapping their heads around paying more on the front end to save money in the long run.

[@doggylover1958]

Cost of running has nothing to do with cost of making cars. Batteries are much cheaper than 5 years ago. Manufacturers are charging customers a premium for electric cars that bears no relationship to the cost of manufacturing.

[@Hans-gb4mv]

Well, I think there's more than 1 reason. Of course, you have the huge R&D cost that legacy automakers are investing in designing electric drivetrains and building cars around them. But I also think it's a bit of a Tesla effect. If you go back a decade, we had cars like the Citroën C0, the VW e-Up, and so on. And in comes Tesla with luxury electric cars with bigger margins. And now we see legacy automakers investing in those bigger margin cars because they know they actually have buyers for cars that expensive.

[@bluetoad2668]

@@doggylover1958 that's how Tesla stays competitive, they use that to their advantage

[@doggylover1958]

@@bluetoad2668 Tesla are not just skimming huge profits and banking them like other manufacturers. They have invested heavily in the Supercharger network and that has a huge influence in the buying decision, particularly when the alternative non Tesla charging infrastructure is so appallingly poor (at least in the UK). Would I rather use a Tesla super charger or try my luck with an ecotricity charger ? It’s a no brainier. On the R&D point Renault Zoe 40 kWh in 2017 could be bought for £16,000. Renault Zoe 50 kWh 2021 costs £33000. (Govt grant reduces that to £30,000). No further R&D done, they just fitted a 10 kWh bigger battery to essentially the same car and doubled the price. Tell me we are not being ripped off.

[@maybachmayhem8527]

The reason you can’t get Evs with less options is because the “options” on a standard car don’t cost hardly anything to produce, they just cots a lot when selected. This is why adding them to evs is great as it costs the manufacturer hardly anything and makes the extra 7000 over the base petrol C4 seam a lot more meaningful!

[@hrford]

I'd estimate a massaging seat at 500 to 1000 (£,€,$), and there's probably two of them in the EV. Not having them could be 2,000 cheaper. (I'm assuming).

[@timscott3027]

@@hrford yeah but the point is it kind of artificially justifies the cost. If you could buy the same car with no extras it would only be a few thousand cheaper but would still be more than the top spec petrol.

[@RDMracer]

I think this is because manufacturers think that EV's should sit somewhere in the premium category. And they do have somewhat of a point there, EV's are much more appealing for house owners with driveways. Especially in a segment like this, you would want to attract a person who is just not satisfied with their diesel 5008 any more or even comes from a higher segment, and wants all the new luxuries of a truly modern car.

[@MrKlawUK]

@@hrford I’d bet those massage seats probably cost Citroen £25 per seat over the standard. Then they sel them as a £500 option on the petrol car. Give them for ‘free’ on the EV to mask the cost of the battery

[@hrford]

@@MrKlawUK I saw that kind of comment in another thread. I'm inclined to come around to that thinking. It seems manufacturers might be making tons of money on the options. I guess?

[@TechInTheCar]

I shall be doing an infotainment walk-through video guide on my channel of the e-C4 so you can also learn how to turn off the Sat Nav voice - it isn't out yet but keep an eye on my channel!

[@esnim3295]

I have the same one "shine pack " Best and Beautiful !!🤩👍

[@dwilliamsnetosnet]

you are delightful to watch - listen to - as always, thank you for presenting!

[@vc2616]

Robert makes these videos very entertaining and funny, love it !😀

[@MJSEN]

Love when you call it citron 🍋 excellent video as always!

[@neddyl1225]

Fully agree with your "little rant" about stuffing unnecessary extras into electric cars without offering a base model.

[@dufonrafal]

Adjust the volume when the sat nav is talking, that's it.

[@absolutehype]

Absolutely loving the video stabilisation of the driving footage. Nicely done!

[@MrFoxRobert]

Thank you!

[@KJSvitko]

The quiet drive of an all electric vehicle is a stress reducer. Can you imagine cities without all the noise from gas and diesel vehicles ? I wonder if it would reduce aggression by adding a calming effect on people.

[@mickwilson127]

The answer to your question Bobby , is that legacy automakers have to hide their pricing strategy by overloading with options (that you are still paying for) to falsely claim EV are far more expensive than the equivalent ICE vehicle. Otherwise JoePublic might just leave them with 10 million unsold oil burners

[@budflanagan1262]

Just listened to Bobby’s mini-rant on the extras! The massage seats on my C4 Picasso got me through my drive around Europe in 2019, I bought it for its comfort and it was well worth it; at my advanced years with a bad back I needed it! That’s why I’m holding out for the e-Spacetourer, when and if that might arrive, as we need that luggage space for touring.

[@derrick021]

"this car is really very nice" for almost all the video, very informative

[@1d2a3d4d5i6o]

Also a good idea would be fit the charging cables under the 'Bonnet', easy to get to rather than under the boot floor.

[@stonercatclips]

I love fully charged...! Thank you Robert

[@EdisnFox]

Robert is the greatest EV Reviewer of the 2. He is enthusiastic on the small little details that someone might miss, but he's on it, describing the vehicles.

[@steved7085]

Good to see they have sensibly retained physical switches and dials.

[@bluetoad2668]

There speaks someone who's never owned a Tesla.

[@steved7085]

Indeed, and there are reasons I don't own a Tesla.

[@CorwynGC]

You LIKE the switch by the cup holders that changes the screen to show charging details? Why?

[@bluetoad2668]

@@steved7085 I wonder how many you'd still have after living with one for a month

[@steved7085]

@@bluetoad2668 I'm way too picky and very particular about my car ownership and the experience I get from it. So in respect to that, I will not be happy owning a Tesla. That said, I like what Tesla have done to the car industry, I think it's brilliant. I do plan on buying an EV in the near future, however it's likely to be an Audi E-Tron GT, or similar.. depending on other choices.

[@DanWall-xq3ed]

Cool review Robert.

[@RobJeffrey]

I would pay a lot to have Kryten's voice be my sat nav!

[@davidstuart4915]

..there u go Robert - another revenue stream :) - wouldnt want Holly v 1.0 though....!

[@husnainanwaar1992]

Citroen is the most underrated car company; they have Dakar and WRC more than any other car brand

[@TeddyAlFarra]

One little recommendation and I love you and your work: - Always stat with the range (the realistic one) - Next, how long does it take to charge, - Next, how long much does it cost to charge from 0% --> 100% - Next, price! - Next, Warranty: For how long and what is exactly covered. Thank you

[@FFVoyager]

Charging from 0 to 100% is massively unrealistic. In reality 10% to 80% is all you will do in the real world. You won't be pulling up to chargers in turtle mode very often, nor will you be sitting on them to top the battery up to 100% wuthout pissing off other EV drivers waiting to charge.

[@TeddyAlFarra]

@@FFVoyager I understand, but you would charge from 5% realistically speaking to like 95% at home and rarely on a fast charger. In which case, I would love to know how long it'll take, how much it'll cost, and what is the realistic range of driving normally, without cruise control.

[@GAmbrose]

@@TeddyAlFarra Not many people are going to be charging from 5% at home either.

[@zenbudhism]

Cost to charge us proportionalnto battery size for all evs

[@FFVoyager]

@@GAmbrose or care that much as they will be doing it when they are not using the car!

[@rcollinge5818]

Your intro is one of the best I've seen in years. Another very good video and review, too bad we seldom see Citroën in the U.S.A.

[@timlay4504]

Finally a critical review !

[@underamoure]

Your choice of Music and the cut is soooo nice again. Always love to watch your vids. Keep on going :3

[@larx4074]

Kryton would have had no probz dealing with that sat nav.......

[@davidjameson4142]

This channel gets better and better every time I see it 👌

[@gowron492]

Future note: When the sat nav is giving directions, use the volume control to mute it.

[@musclerent]

Or simply use the voice control to stop the sat nav

[@AshleyWilsonAU]

@@musclerent Well he probably wanted the visual directions; just not the sound messing up his recording.

[@musclerent]

@@AshleyWilsonAU I doubt that very much. What's more likely is whoever delivered the car to that location used the sat nav and it was trying to route him back there

[@ferkeap]

A clean cockpit with some buttons, looks very nice/calm inside.

[@WillBrownCars]

Love this review! I am not the biggest Citroen fan but this looks decent!

[@edstratton]

What was that ipad type thing that came out of a drawer on the dash?

[@edstratton]

@5h00m5 Thanks!

[@happy2bhardcore420]

any chance of a people carrier EV? also, when will car hire companies (enterprise, Europcar etc.) start giving worthwhile options in the EV space?

[@xxwookey]

Nissan e-nv200 Evalia has been out a few years. It does that. Mercedes EQV is posher, longer-range one. Not cheap though.

[@ramblerandy2397]

Mercedes make one. The EQV. It's impressive for 2015-16. It's not 2016 anymore.

[@bluetoad2668]

@@ramblerandy2397 oh but it is for most companies, they are desperately delaying EVs because if they are adopted too fast it'll put a huge ICE shaped hole in their balance sheets. Thank god for them there isn't a mass producer of EVs disrupting the space for them, oh, wait.... that'd be Tesla then

[@ramblerandy2397]

@@bluetoad2668 Which is why they frame Tesla as a disrupter.

[@seanmoley3142]

Thanks Fully charged for your brilliant reviews and head to head guides, I plan to buy used electric this year once this 'thing' settles down and all your video's will help me decide which one to buy

[@mattp4806]

Ha ha ha. I’m sure those flamboyant French designers were hoping for a more evocative expression than “dents at the front”. Love it. 🤣

[@toyotaprius79]

Some may call it progressive, others may call it a masculine package.

[@moonprobe8751]

Hi, love your enthusiasm in these reviews. I would be interested to know a little more about ride, handling and cornering in the cars? It's important for me that a car is comfortable but does not drive like a wardrobe on wheels like some larger Citroëns and Vauxhauls I have sometimes driven over the years!

[@laxlax9960]

Well said. Soo electric reviewer let's hear it pls

[@kurtisklein2682]

"good shizzle" watch out Robert, you might attract some younger viewers! lol great stuff as always.

[@mjp0815]

Extras cost zilch, compared to what the battery cost extra... Seeing Robert massaged, priceless!

[@elfoxy1997]

Looks like something a middle aged french office worker would drive

[@jamesdubben3687]

A few things were mentioned, when you get a longer time with cars maybe add: on route planning, display of charging speed (when am I waisting time/money ), car prepping battery for fast charging. So details of the electric car part

[@MrGonzonator]

When is the Grand one coming?! The Grand C4 Picasso is my family car and I can't wait to swap it for an electric one.

[@toyotaprius79]

A C4 Picasso (a feat of stylistic genius) as an EV would be a dream.

[@musclerent]

It isn't. Try a C5 instead

[@MrGonzonator]

@@musclerent boo. I don't want an SUV, I want an MPV.

[@musclerent]

@@MrGonzonator it isn't a SUV. Maybe consider an MG5 etc

[@MrGonzonator]

@@musclerent not big enough. C4 Picasso has three full sized independently reclining and folding seats in the second row, and in the Grand they also slide a good 25cm. Extremely versatile.

[@rbdogwood]

I agree, the artificially high price is just to prevent sales. The gizmos are inexpensive to add and it would probably cost most of the savings to have a second production run without them. I like the way the speed control uses the traditional, and appropriate, two chevrons.

[@TheJAMF]

As someone who gets cold hands... dreaming of heated steering wheel at least 3 months of the year.

[@barney2001]

They are as nice as you imagine they are. Work well even when wearing gloves.

[@alanmulcahy7749]

As a cheapskate, I never expected to drive such luxury, but after a little driving in a new Kia eNiro, I am finding heated steering and seats very nice!

[@cbcdesign001]

Robert probably has a very large warm garage he keeps his cars in, not the drive like we do where they get cold at times and its painful to hold the wheel.

[@bernardhilton3527]

Good review as always. You have to turn the volume down when the sat nav speaks. I think on board sat navs are a pain in the posterior. Apple car play and either google maps or Waze for me EVERY time. You get up to date maps free for ever and traffic. I don’t know if there is a mute facility in my Corsa e ‘cause I don’t use it. The cheapest Corsa e is twenty something thousand and it’s the same car under the very expensive skin. Yes I know there are a lot of snobs out there who wouldn’t be seen dead in a Vauxhall but that’s their loss.....

[@digitalnightmare90]

"There's some good shizzle in this car" haha! love the review of the car 😎

[@steffenjachnow8176]

The PSA-Group definitely did a decent job with their current generation of EVs. They are no record breakers or head-turners. They are cars very suitable for daily life!

[@jamesbedford7327]

The cars are good. Pricing is a different matter

[@steffenjachnow8176]

@@jamesbedford7327 That's true. Luckily, the incentives on EVs are relatively high here in Germany. It's still expensive but manageable.

[@MrNeeds]

Seems to be a horrible trend at the moment with ICE manufacturers, outpricing the EVs in favour of the ICE variants, it's a silly and damaging practice we hope to see the end of.

[@pawefiett2468]

I think we must wait for pure eve brands like Tesla... and Chinese will come out with something so affordable that all the big brands will have to stop this practice. And some will die!

[@PeterChinkin]

It's why I went with a cheaper Chinese MG5. Fewer bells and whistles but more power, more space, similar range, £10k lower price.

[@js-hl5hv]

My guess about the price/options is that they advertise "10k" worth of options. This may be true if you were to buy them. It probably only costs then 2k to make/add. So giving you 10k of options for only 6k actually nets them 4k, and helps subsidise the cost. The bare bones ev may be 10k more than the petrol. Add all the options and the difference could be only 6k. It looks better value. Maybe I am just cynical. Ah, I think Sergei has already raised this point :)

[@spsmith45]

I’m surprised that the USP of this car, its suspension system and ride comfort, wasn’t dwelt on.

[@FFVoyager]

Do modern Citroens care much about that? My guess it will be nowhere near as nice to ride in compared to my old hydropnumatic BX's and Xantia.

[@twasb2000]

@@FFVoyager it's actually as good or even better, hard a quick test drive and the mix of electric silence and great suspension has almost tipped me towards getting one.

[@spsmith45]

@@FFVoyager Other reviewers have noted the comfortable seats and smooth ride. One compared it to a BMW 7 series. Modern Citroëns don’t quite glide like a DS, GS or CX, but the special dampers they use do allow for a soft setting.

[@carlgeorgtsigakis498]

Agree. Also I drove it the other day, and I was amazed on how quiet it was compared to its comparable rivals. Not mentioned at all..

[@NiclasGleesborg]

Here in Denmark you can buy the e-c4 in the LIVE sku which only has basic feature like a standard cruise control and halogen headlights. No HUD, No keyless, No Heated seats, No sunroof, No parkingsensors, etc. So it must depend on the market whether it is available

[@Neilisthevideoking]

The MG range is the no frills alternative. I would describe my MG ZS as boring but adequate. It's very safe and has android auto. Its a bit like the Citroen except it was 8k cheaper than that citroen. So if you want plain and boring, save some money.

[@danielrichards8472]

Some fantastic points raised from the robot in Red Dwarf! 👍

[@hollyandtheev6519]

I’d go for the Mokka-e over this.

[@FullPlayGames]

I've got one of these coming in March. Can't wait!

[@leeroychang]

When this electric car dies, will it go to Silicone Heaven? Like the calculators?

[@marknelson2073]

Silicone Heaven? I think that's for Pamela Anderson. 😉

[@madalinam6183]

Oh that was good! KZbin recommended this video after looking for a particular clip from Red Dwarf

[@cbcdesign001]

There is no silicone heaven.

[@leeroychang]

@@cbcdesign001 *shuts down*

[@lnwolf41]

pretty sure there is a mute button for the map function, I can lower the sound or mute, my direction app on my chevy cruze car

[@maxgreece1]

Dear Robert, Thank you for your application to join our marketing department, I'm afraid your application this time has not been successful. Perhaps a course on marketing speak would help. Words like "very acceptable" and "who could get excited by..." and so on are just not what we are looking for right now. LMAO.

[@SimeonToko]

Go into the secondary Page on the satnav (the red button)...that brings up a button 'voice synthesis' which you can toggle on or off to mute the voice as you please. This means you can mute without leaving the satnav screen.

[@theheathkitshop2424]

Robert, do you guys ever get to see some sunshine? What another gloomy looking day in the UK.

[@musclerent]

It's winter in the UK

[@theheathkitshop2424]

@@musclerent it’s winter where I live, too. But I still have sunny days.

[@musclerent]

@@theheathkitshop2424 well I don't know if you're in the UK but in early February there aren't many sunny days...you're more likely to get snow

[@theheathkitshop2424]

@@musclerent so far, I've generated 267kwhs from my gird tie solar in feb in ohio of all places. I got a quite a few more days to go. Last Feb, I did 427kwh in Feb.

[@musclerent]

@@theheathkitshop2424 I've got a grid tied system as well. Feb will probably see 120kw because it's winter. It's been getting dark at 4pm

[@georgesmith7733]

11:50 Because they have accountants that insist on recovering the research and development costs?

[@ianwilson3674]

I agree Robert the old ICE manufacturers are front loading the extras to offset the loss of revenue from servicing I suspect, just wait for the Chinese to pull the rug from under them?

[@musclerent]

How much do you think the battery costs v a petrol engine and gearbox?

[@musclerent]

The Chinese already sell electric cars here

[@bluetoad2668]

Errrm....I think Tesla is standing there holding a big rug right now

[@musclerent]

@@bluetoad2668 What does that mean?

[@hutchcraftcp]

Reminds me of my Mitsubishi outlander gps. My children say it sounds like a 70 year old grandmother. She doesn't say " recalculating" she just keeps telling you to turn around if you miss a turn.

[@supersonic79]

“The high end of perfectly acceptable” Haha! Looks good 👍🏻

[@davidstuart4915]

...LEDs are...really brilliant.. ;)

[@MrEkinT]

Do you feel that you have to speak higher of the ev's that you review in the interest of furthering their rise in popularity? I feel that often the reviews come across as being more complimentary than perhaps they are deserving and wondered if this is the reason?

[@JessDemant]

I always enjoy this channel and extra much this video as the owner of a VW ID.3, because it is always interesting to see how a similar car from a competitor performs!

[@RaysTrack]

"at the high end of perfectly acceptable" - for £30k. I agree - prices need to come down by jettisoning gimmicks.

[@Matticitt]

The gimmicks don't really cost the company much that's why they're bundling them in to make the price more acceptable. Electric components are expensive. Removing them won't reduce the price much.

[@SteveODonnell]

Wasn't shown much but the gear/drive selector and some parts of the centre console look just like the Vauxhall Mokka-e.

[@MrAdopado]

"This is the "citron" e-C4 first drive." Not very kind starting off calling the car a lemon!

[@hg6996]

This is what I also just thought! 😂

[@hannesorisson1200]

Good to have the car front heavy, fwd in snow or ice needs the weight. The basic C4 in Iceland costs 20% less vs the full Shine versin with 11 kwh charger. 22.975 pound up to 27.5 fully stocked

[@tonedcos]

I think you were right about pricing last time, there keeping the price artificially high so as to sell all the ice engines there manufacturing.

[@pbyfr]

The market is also not ready. Most people wanting an EV would go to the fully equipped model. And at 2/3 of the price, a basic model (ICE or EV) is in fact very expansive.

[@toyotaprius79]

Simply keeping the profit margins up. That and PSA/Citroen might be lightly forgiven if they created this as an *_e-C4 Pallas_*

[@tonedcos]

My boss had a GSA back in the 80's, nippy car with 3 stage suspension, that would made a lovely cheap electric car.

[@old-hippy]

Really wouldn't swap it for our e-Niro, for comfort space or range. Totally agree about need for affordability

[@mroctarine]

Not feeling these car reviews from FC as much as I used to. Seems to be something lacking in the writing. Too much time at the start on the sat nav, don't care, tell us about the car.

[@jaminthevanuk296]

Will it rust

[@aaronbiggin1103]

Can someone make an ev that's just 4 wheels and 5 seats I don't need or want the techy stuff in the cabin

[@PeterChinkin]

MG5?

[@beefiron]

Most Robert review ever.

[@mbeliv3763]

the way you pronounce Citroen in French sounds like lemon in english

[@quixomega]

I've always thought that, all Brits seem to do that.

[@lfo414]

@@quixomega This Brit is losing his shit over his inane dribbling incompetence.

[@Paul-Thomas-LifeCoach]

One one Robert. You appeared to gloss over the tablet that was presented in a tray on the dash and also with it mounted on the dash. Is that part of the car or something you have to add or your own?

[@johnchartrand5910]

Robert never complains about the high price and options when he drives Teslas, just saying

[@F.L.Publishing]

Because they don't produce fossil fueled Vehicles to compare against! I feel that the higher price in regards to Tesla is down to production costs due to volumes, this will come down as they produce more, quicker! And don't forget TESLA is THE Marque when considering pure EV! in my opinion 🤗

[@mikehunt4375]

Currently the volumes are there for variants on ICE, where as multiple variants on low volume EV cost the manufacturer more per unit. An example 2003 Range Rover all had a black sunroof switch from E39 . Land Rover design wanted clouded to match different headliner colors BMW said no due to added cost of variants.

[@philippeplouchart8156]

By he way, Citroën is pronounced “sitro-N”.

[@ABrit-bt6ce]

In English speaking countrys it's mostly sitron or sitrOen. Kryten can say it any way his spare head feels like :)

[@Valigigi761]

Best car 2021.

[@pip5461]

Design is too fussy

[@waynephilpott4767]

I'm very impressed at the extent to which Citroen has implemented loads of digital technology in this car. By digital technology I mean lots of confusing buttons that you have to use your digits to activate.

[@musclerent]

I watch every Fully Charged video, but this was appalling, it was like an OAP rant. It might help if someone actually bothered to gen up on the car first. Yes it has the same drive train and chassis of other new PSA group cars, BUT it's tuned for comfort and refinement with progressive hydraulic dampers and "advanced" comfort seats. The comfort message and other design cues ape Citroen's of old. It looks nothing like a Kona and whilst looks are subjective, to my eyes there's a strong resemblance and particularly at the rear to a Citroen from the 70's to 90's. Those safety extras mentioned that bump up the price are mostly standard fare now. The cheaper ICE C4's get most of it too, otherwise they'd get a lower crash test score. How many miles per KW did you get?. How good was the ride comfort which is what the car is sold on and the voice control system would have turned the sat nav off. I think someone got out of bed the wrong way on test day...perhaps you should have stayed there!.

[@rosewhite---]

Ford I rented fortnight ago had a mute icon on the sat nav! absolutely bliss!