Civ 5 - 6 Tips To Grow Big Cities Fast On Deity Difficulty! For Overexplain Game - See Description

[@Owlr4ider]

Another good reason to take Engineering before Civil Service is because it unlocks Construction on the way, which gives you Composite Bowmen which are great to both defend against an aggressive AI neighbor and to do a Composite Bowmen rush yourself when the circumstances for it arise.

[@thijsvandervelden3365]

Great video, even though I’ve been playing civ on and off for 7 years it’s still my favorite game, it’s awesome that people like you still make banger content on it!

[@PCJLaw]

Thank you - That's very kind feedback! I'm glad you enjoyed the video!

[@gefitrop3496]

25:40 Civil Service also has the benefit of entering the middle ages so it unlocks exploration and commerce trees

[@bombidil3]

The other question to ask when deciding between taking Engineering or Civil Service first: "Do I need colosseums now?" Construction for colosseums is not on the tech path to civil service. Since the flow is basically Win iff Science iff Population iff Growth iff Happy, one should generally work through that pattern as a cycle through the eras. The settling process shows it pretty clearly: settle a luxury --> happiness, build a granary --> growth, reach three pops --> population, build a library --> science. That being said, civil service advances an era which reduces tech cost of previous era techs. For this reason, I usually go civil service first unless I really need colosseums because I can't get luxuries from the AI/other players or I just had a really good start with tons of growth.

[@Sam-tz1jk]

My friend and I started playing Civ5 again recently and I got my first immortal victories thanks to your guides! I think you explain things really well and your benchmarks have undoubtedly helped me keep track of where I should be. The only improvements I can directly see are adding 'chapters' (that's what google calls them) to the video progress bar and maybe compiling your benchmarks together at some point in the video (or perhaps in a different guide, though it may be too broad of info for a single guide). I find myself referring back to different parts of the video so having that list somewhere would make it easy to find and the chapters feature would make a huge difference in breaking the video up for the individual tips. PS the comparison between the same game in two different situations really nails the huge difference that these small changes can make. Just that by itself really made the guide great; it is effort well appreciated!

[@PCJLaw]

I'm glad the guides have been helping, and thank you for your kind and thoughtful feedback - it's really useful! I really SHOULD add chapters - I'd completely forgotten they exist, so thank you very much for that tip! Interesting you say about compiling the benchmarks into a separate video - a lot of people have asked about benchmarks and it makes sense to have a guide of knowing what is good that's compiled somewhere. Perhaps I can do one covering my various benchmarks, such as population, NC, Industrial, Labs and Science victory Also thanks for letting me know about the comparisons - it's good to know for the future! That "chasing the game" vs "ahead of the game" difference really can be huge, so I was pleased the comparison was able to demonstrate it so starkly, even for a game which met the benchmarks in both scenarios!

[@pure_pazaak1376]

@@PCJLaw Chapters would be wonderful if it isn't much trouble! It's too hard to re-reference good content if I can't remember where it is.

[@PCJLaw]

@@pure_pazaak1376 Got you - thanks for letting me know! I'll try and get some done soon!

[@PCJLaw]

Chapters added!

[@PCJLaw]

@@pure_pazaak1376 Chapters added!

[@leonmontealegre]

Hey man I really love your videos, because of you I was able to actually beat Immortal! I do have some feedback though, I think you should make your thumbnails more visually distinct, pretty much every video looks the same so it's sometimes hard to tell which is which, even just having different colored borders around different stream playthroughs, and maybe even a different text color for guide videos like these. Keep up the great work my guy!

[@PCJLaw]

Hi! I'm glad my tips have helped you - It's all I hope for when someone watches the videos! That's great constructive feedback so thank you very much! I think I need to do a lot better at this and I think this is a nice tip!

[@bombidil3]

I love the benchmarks. I think I'm going to make a benchmark quick reference sheet to have up during multiplayer games.

[@ninjastyle46]

Would love to watch a Montezuma win! Probably Domination but honestly open to whatever. I feel its a very different playstyle than the rest of the civs and is probably the only hope for honor policies being viable lmao (I just want to see you pull off honor lol) . Honor was honestly one of my favorites on lower difficulties. Great channel & content, watching your vids over the last year has brought me from warlord all the way to just wining my first Immoral win last week. Im trying to learn all i can for my final push to deity. Seriously thanks for having such a robust Civ 5 channel and spearheading my knowledge to this point!! 💪💪🤙🤙

[@Kolja122]

Dear PC J Law. I just started seeing your videos reasently, but think they are really great and educational. I was wondering (just Saw your video with the dutch) if you have written your benchmarks and great tips down somewhere, where they are findable? I have been searching in Google and reddit, but cant find Them anywhere? Hope you ser this message. And if you do, i am wondering, when it is you start destroying your farms and etc to make Trade posts? :)

[@darkari8116]

Very useful video!

[@PCJLaw]

Thank you for the kind feedback - glad you found it useful!

[@justinjakeson6615]

On your turn 100 benchmark, can you be a lot more specific on how you manage your hapiness/unhappiness? Most of the times what limits my growth is not the lack of fresh tiles, it's not the lack of internal trade routes but plain unhapiness. It feels as if I have to make colosseums (with all their negative side effects as gold ukpeek and opportunity cost) or prioritise city placement that include horses for circuses (even at the expense of fresh tiles) or accept a sub optimal growth or settle less cities.

[@PCJLaw]

Yeah happiness management is always a tough one! Honestly, I almost always build colloseums before T100, and probably early on in the growth window. Otherwise you do just run out of happiness In general, I rely on one of a few things every game: 1 - early Circuses, colloseums and Circus Maximus. Most people advise building Circus before colloseum where you can, but I advise only to do that in high production cities. In low production cities, that just denies you the opportunity to build the highly valuable circus maximus, so prioritise colloseum over circus in the low prod cities 2 - AI trades. Pre-emptively trade away your luxuries before you have duplicates (but when you know you will get a duplicate eventually). AI happiness matters so little to the outcome of your game on any difficulty level (comparatively to other things) that you should not shy away from "securing that lux deal" at the expense of a few turns of AI having free happiness. Once that lux is gone it doesn't free up for 25 turns, so stop being so stingy! Same thing goes for if you "don't need the happiness yet". Just do it and "secure the deal", because you will need it... I also pre-emptively buy up every duplicate I can afford, for the same reason. You risk someone else taking it otherwise. To successfully do this you must scout, otherwise you won't have trade partners 3 - City state allies. CS questing is a huge part of super-high level play. Pay attention to what the CS luxuries are, and then what the quests and friendliness are. A Mercantile ally can give you up to 11 happiness, and any other ally gives you their luxury at the very least The final one is religion happiness. This is one of the big reasons why religion is so strong (but sadly something that often is hard to execute on Deity). You'll want to pay attention to what you get spread in case someone spreads you a happiness belief that you can use for yourself Hope that helps, and let me know if you already do all these or if there was one that proved useful!

[@justinjakeson6615]

yep. Super clear now. I always avoided colloseums like a pandemic disease because of the high upkeep cost, and I was I always stingy with AI trades!@@PCJLaw

[@PCJLaw]

@@justinjakeson6615 Ah great I'm glad that was helpful! Sadly you do simply have to pay the upkeep on Colloseums, but fortunately with Tradition's Monarchy, and eventually roads, you'll have enough gold to support those buildings Same with AI trade stinginess, you forget that the AI can just trade a lux to someone else, so having the deal "secured" has material value to you! This is one of the reasons EUI is of huge benefit, because you don't need to check diplomacy every turn to see if the AI has a trade available, the icons are visibile on your UI!

[@elchuekin]

The trick is how to do this, while having enough money to have an army and avoid getting killed by turn 60

[@PCJLaw]

Good point! My approach to the Deity AI within war is a few parts: 1) You have a choice of whether to try to defend or whether to bribe the AI to war someone else. The choice of which usually depends on whether you can defend your city with around 4 units If 4 or fewer (like what happens in the overexplain play through), then you can build units for defense If 5+, building those units and defending will be so costly you'll go irrelevant defending it. In that case, your only chance to win is to bribe them to war someone else If you can't bribe and it would have needed 5+ units, you would have lost anyway, either to the war or late game because you got set back too much 2) Selling strategic resources 1 for 2 GPT is the way I usually fund the war bribes. It's a cheese strat, but that is usually only enough to keep you safe 3) If you're paying for bribes you don't need an army, or if you've got an army you shouldn't be paying for bribes. I almost always favour bribes where I can, since building too much early military will make you irrelevant anyway It's also worth pointing out that whatever you do, you'll always be bottom army on Deity (unless you're actually building an army to kill the world). That's important to know because it means "building an army as a deterrent" is unlikely to work, as they'll always see you as weaker than them Hope that explains my approach!

[@elchuekin]

@@PCJLaw This videos helped a lot. Inmortal is to easy, deity is crazy hard.... I'm now trying to win domination in deity with Huns. This video helped to be at the same military era than the other 9 civs

[@PCJLaw]

@@elchuekin I'm glad these videos helped - I hope to help people get better at civ by watching my content! Winning Domination Victory as The Huns is difficult! What makes a civ like Arabia so easy for domination victory is that Camel Archers are arguably the best unique unit in the game and they are relevant into the Modern Era The challenge with The Huns is finding a way to kill AI after the Classical/Medieval Eras, when their unique units become obsolete Good luck!

[@PCJLaw]

Over-Explain Playthrough Part 1: kzbin.info/www/bejne/l4urgpSbjtGkaa8​ Over-Explain Playthrough Part 2: kzbin.info/www/bejne/raHFp6qHf9mtiLc Twitch: www.twitch.tv/pc_j_law Let me know what you thought of this guide video! I realised that growing your cities big, fast and early was the key to transforming me into the player I am This guide hopes to present to you the concepts, and then there's the over-explain playthrough where I put it into action! Also, I did a rubbish bit of "quick maths" during one tip, anyone spot where? ;)

[@jakob2448]

What do you do with all those workers after they improved all important tiles? Sometimes I don't have jobs for them to do and they get kinda useless

[@markhurley3714]

Very very nice

[@PCJLaw]

Thank you for the positive feedback - hope you found it useful! Also, Persia stream game just uploaded to the channel too - I know you'd been looking out for it! It might not have ended up being the peaceful game you'd expect, but how else are we supposed to get Chichen Itza? ;)

[@markhurley3714]

@@PCJLaw off work tomorrow. I know what I'll be watching. Thanks. Very much anticipating it :)

[@PCJLaw]

@@markhurley3714 Haha hope you enjoy, and hope you have a good day off work!

[@elichekable]

Do you just completely disregard ancient and classical wonders when playing on deity? Is it ever possible to compete for great library on deity?

[@Rievax17]

You probably could but you’d be sacrificing a ton. Would probably have to get pottery in a ruin

[@elichekable]

@Rievax17 yeah I managed to do it on a spain god spawn

[@nickkardoes]

Anyway to join a multiplayer game with you sometime? I’d love the challenge and just the fun

[@PCJLaw]

Hi - welcome to the channel! We ARE going to organise a follower game during May We're going to organise the game within the community discord, link here: discord.gg/rqJpZp5NRH I also play all my multiplayer stream games in this discord server: discord.gg/9r3PzhJjn4 (Windows & Linux) If you join the MP server I will often pop up every now and again looking for a game, so if you're interested in joining a game including me perhaps you'll find me there too!