(old and crap) SiN (1998) / Greater Cheese

Civvie earns himself a good time with a mostly forgotten classic, SiN (1998).
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[@SgtMjRomero]

Favorite thing to do in the first mission. Boot up a bank terminal and transfer Elexis Sinclair's life savings into John Blade's account as a “search and seizure of illicit assets to the benefits of law enforcement”

[@SgtMjRomero]

That's some seriously excellent game design we need more of.

[@juliovictormanuelschaeffer8370]

Well, he's technically a policeman. Extra evidence doesn't hurt anybody.

[@BullFrogFace]

@@juliovictormanuelschaeffer8370 And the "evidence" might end up missing about 40% of its original amount

[@juliovictormanuelschaeffer8370]

@@BullFrogFace heh, if he was in Peru, I think he'll be encouraged to do that just by the monthly salary😂.

[@bioman1hazard607]

That's probably not the only "assets" That's gonna be seized 😜

[@Shauddi]

Hahahhahahahhaha I love it!!! “Save scumming is not about how often you save; it’s how often you load!”

[@Collin255]

The "Rocky Balboa" qoute for gamers.

[@thebluedragon07]

He ain't wrong, lost count of the number of times I had to quick save.

[@lucamckenn5932]

I just got flashbacks to yourmoviesucksdotorg (yms) playing half life and system shock. He save and load scummed just so he could get to the next room with 80 health instead of 70. Literal OCD levels of extreme autism, great content creator but if you give him a game with quick saves and loads it will take him an hour to do what anyone else can get done in twenty minutes.

[@papayer]

@@lucamckenn5932 That was me as a kid lol. I play normally nowadays but the 'bet I can beat this under X condition' habit still kicks back from time to time. It can be fun if taken as a challenge

[@erykzysk3330]

@@Collin255 I found you 😄

[@EleventhFloorBelfry]

So, is no-one gonna point out that this game has John R Blade, a guy with long hair, some facial stubble and shades, is teaming up with a blonde, bespectacled tech nerd called JC? Meta Romero and Carmack fiction

[@RynRobitske]

Wait until you watch the episode on the anime movie adaptation. 🤣

[@strafenone]

JC is John C. Armack. You learn that in the anime

[@Anhjje]

@@strafenone At first I was like man, what a coincidence. But now I'm even more baffled by the level of fanboiery

[@strafenone]

@@Anhjje It was more a like mary sue but in like a wholesome kindah way lol

[@OpenMawProductions]

@@strafenone You learn it in the instructions actually.

[@AfterlifeGames]

1:14 I asked John Carmack what caused the wobble effect common in id Tech 2 games. He told me it was because the vertices were quantized to a 0-255 integer value instead of a decimal point. It had nothing to do with the models not having a skeleton. Besides, a rigid object like a weapon model wouldn't need animation bones in the first place. Edit: I tweeted him again to confirm. Turns out not having bones did contribute to the deformation. If the rigs had a skeleton, there'd still be deformation, but it would be uniform instead of changing every frame. Weird.

[@dotanuki3371]

You get jiggle physics for free though

[@nopushbutton]

@@dotanuki3371 more like wriggle physics. theres worms in them boobs

[@burningmopedattheroadside1998]

The main thing that makes it weird is that it's 3 dimensional frame based animation, like hand drawn animation, where the vertices are interpolated towards the next frame, yeah that's going to give some odd results. At lower resolutions and lower framerates it's not as noticeable, Quake 1 with the software renderer running at 320x240 worked fine, Kingpin in 1024x768 is a gibbering nightmare.

[@gozinta82]

I was about to reply to you and tell you that actually, YES, it does. The bone structures link the verts to the skeleton so they don't move unless you want them to. W/O having bones, you would have to move the vertices or the groups (if they even had those back then), That would mean that each vert would have to be moved on same axis and use the same gizmo, which would cause issues with movement, scale and rotation. What john is referring to, is how the engine takes the information in. I.E. in say, 3dstudio max, you may rotate an object using degrees. But in some games, it may be programmed to radians. Which is not the same. Not all game companies convert their models/verts/etc properly so issues also arise from that as well.

[@burningmopedattheroadside1998]

@@gozinta82 No bones though, that's why vertices floats from one frame to the other.

[@usernamenumber]

The game that inspired the very first Penny Arcade comic because it took ninety million years to load a damn level back on the OG hardware.

[@HeroicGameDevMethod]

Oh yeah. www.penny-arcade.com/comic/1998/11/18/the-sin-of-long-load-times

[@realJimMarshall]

Tha game had massive save file sizes for no reason too.

[@jackwilliam4436]

3:00 Fun Fact : In the manual for the game, Blade mentions the officer this thug is talking about, while explaining armour and - especially - helmets and their necessity.

[@TheGaluMoD]

Love this game. However, when I was younger I had a censored copy of the game. In the late game there's a part with decapitated heads in some kind of lab and in the censored version they were head-sized boxes that said "censored" on them instead. SUBTLE

[@NisseDood]

It just had 1 glaring problem that got fixed with a patch but since internet wasnt as widespread it wasnt as easy to get it. The game had freaking horendeous loading times at release. Since it was so many years ago I played it I dont remember how long they could be but If I remember right they could be 1-2 minutes long.

[@Revan058]

@@NisseDood Jaysus, that's rough.

[@unfa00]

Back when Civvie wasn't counting the sewer levels...

[@FeelingShred]

What is crazy is the amount of sewer levels that happen to be the second level/map, is that a conspiracy or something? Way back to Sonic 2 or even Mario, if you consider going underground a sewer

[@DistractedGlobeGuy]

@@FeelingShred SMB level 2 is 100% a fucking sewer level.

[@Collin255]

FUCKIN RAW!

[@toracenimarus1769]

when did that start?

[@OpenMawProductions]

There's a certain logic to it. You put your very best level up front, and then you drop down a gear for the second level, and start ramping yourself back up from there. One of the rules of thumb that started to form with game design was design your first level last. Why? All your mechanics are done, you've become fluent in the art of level design, you know how things go together. So you can make that shit absolutely aces.

[@Addink999]

10:09 "once snipers get introduced, get ready to use them quicksaves" Jackal PTSD engaged

[@lionocyborg6030]

logan doe Especially as the only Halo with quicksaving is SPV3, which has snipers that carry human sniper rifles late in the game. And yes, those snipers are just as deadly as Legendary beam rifle ones.

[@superharuhifan]

PSA

[@lucky88shp]

"It's not about how much you save...it's about how much you load!" So true! LOL :D

[@OriginalRAB]

I remember on my first ever PC trying to play the Demo for Sin. That whole opening turret section ran at about 1 frame a second. It took about 5 minutes from the bird appearing to it getting shot. I did not have a good PC.

[@teranokitty]

Yep, same here. I tried the demo on our Pentium 120Mhz in software mode.

[@HYPERMASCULINE]

The retail edition had to be immediately patched as the load times were around two minutes. The patch was around 50mb so good luck downloading that with a winmodem. You had to get it off a cover CD from a magazine

[@VortechBand]

It was like that for all games though :P Which is why the cover CDs were such a popular thing back in mid-to-late 90s.

[@stephenhester9804]

There was a crippling bug in the level with the Hydroelectric Dam that had to be patched with a mail in CD Rom

[@richardfld]

I never had any issues with SiN's load times out of the box. Audio issues were my main problem. But the patch fixed those IIRC.

[@FearsomeWarrior]

I remember the pistol being really really badass compared to all the games that came before it. I loved the look, the firing animation, and sound. I also remember a construction crane in a map that you controlled to some extent to do something fun. The console being usable on computers to get things on the level done was good fun back then too. I think Richard Grey The Levellord made the first maps for sure and maybe much more. He’s the guy responsible for gaming Duke3D’s maps so good.

[@vincelang3779]

Back when SiN was being built on the Quake1 engine, PCGames (later bought by PCGamer, now defunct) did a whole piece on it. I remember screenshots where the underwater level was only a tunnel with a glass ceiling. One of the designers said you would be able to go online (!) on any of the working computers in the game to, he said: "Get hints from BBs." Nuts but, then again, many of those folks had worked on Duke3D...

[@slackerdenile8836]

The Enforcer in Unreal Tournament blew it out of the water and blows most FPS pistols out of the water to this day, FEAR came close to dethroning it though.

[@doktorfury8616]

When you don't shoot the villain before they activate the teleporter, that's how demonic invasions happen...

[@gustavrider5561]

Civvie tries very hard not to recommend the game but it seems like a recommendation to an extent. I played this game before watching this. It is like what would had happened if Duke Nukem would had have a proper 3D sequel.

[@darylcarr8283]

I thought he gave it a fair shake. Its only "sin" (heh heh) was coming out just before Half-Life...which was also why I never finished it myself. I may have stuck it out if the graphics were able to match Alexis' cover art...

[@handsomebrick]

Goldeneye had headshots in 1997, which killed nearly every enemy. (And arm shots, leg shots, torso shots, etc., with visible wounds and special animations for all of it.)

[@Octave_Rolland]

Shhh! Don't mention Goldeneye around old school pc nerds, it makes them nervous.

[@JohnDoe11VII]

Goldeneye also had a few stealth levels where triggering an alarm would endlessly spawn a large number of guards after you. A triggered alarm on higher difficulty settings would likely kill you because of the poor frame-rate and guards with body-armor wouldn't flinch/stagger to getting hit.

[@Octave_Rolland]

Btw, I watched most of Civvie's videos and I think I only ever heard him mention Goldeneye once. "It's fine" was about all he had to say about it. Ahem.

[@wfjhDUI]

14:26 This means he's never seen a snatch _and_ this fact is somehow public knowledge.

[@SgtMjRomero]

John R. Blade is a play on John Romero. Blade is considered publicly to be a virgin... by the public at large... ....John Romero being a virgin doesn't sound very accurate tbh...

[@digitalintent]

@@SgtMjRomero Definitely not accurate as Romero was on his second marriage before id was even a company. Eh, who knows. Maybe they divorced because he was saving himself for the right one?

[@zigfaust]

@@SgtMjRomero Blade also is just an edgy/cool ass surname. I have NEVER heard it used in the way you said...

[@VinoIxRxMxA-cq2iy]

I remember this game being very frustrating, enemies were unfairly hard and the game (even with a good computer in that time) was working terrible. But now i tried SiN GOLD and its so refreshing, im flying around the enemies in the hardest difficulty with no frustration and no need to save/load everytime. The game runs smooth even for modern computers. I really love this game now.

[@AustinGen]

Because the audio mixing, this should be remastered

[@Macrona]

Yeah it wouldn't be hard to do even if Civvie doesn't have the original stems, he could download this video and automate volume levels + use compressors to limit dynamic range. It would take maybe an hour.

[@Annokh]

"Leaving a door open for a sequel" I see what you did there considering what happens to stuff that stays near open doors in this game.

[@GoblinModeKnives]

Friendly reminder that if this guy reaches 100k subscribers he will play Duke Nukem Forever

[@airshow406]

I'm doing my part!

[@Collin255]

You've said this on every single one of his videos, haven't you? Lol RAW!

[@timedraven117]

he's getting close, might want to start planning it civvie.

[@MinscFromBaldursGate92]

Why people hate Duke Nukem Forever?

[@timedraven117]

@@MinscFromBaldursGate92 Same reason why people don't like that one specific person who disappointed them in life.

[@Redneck_Hero]

Sin was an excellent game. First played it back in 2001 and still play it from time to time today.

[@Moonstalker]

Personally I'm on the minority, but I prefer SiN over Half Life. In fact I think SiN and Unreal are better games than Half Life. I don't hate Half life, but the prior games I think are just better Imho. I Loved Unreal because you land into an alien world and you can actually explore it as the game isn't fully linear also you have some nice gameplay elements that was made for this game. As for SiN it have quite next generation interactivity, I love the fact the game have a sophisticated armor system, also I love the fact it was quite like duke nukem 3d. There is also the fact that JC and John kind of talk together while in most games where there is a radio your character usually never talks back, but here he does and that's enjoyable.

[@bitwize]

Hey, I remember this. John Romero's case-modded girlfriend "Killcreek" wrote a strat guide for it. The 90s in gaming, ladies and gentlemen.

[@bunkaaa8726]

AUDIO LEVELSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

[@brewedjuice494]

yea, the "old and crap" tag is ment as a warning for the old vidoes with shitty audio mixing. he rereleased some of them, like coroner 7, and hes mentioned knowing the audio mixing is shit a couple times. like "if i can talk about the shit audio mixing you know its bad" or something like that.

[@TheCodeTinkerer]

I was playing Doom/Duke Nukem/Quake2 at the time, when this was released. My mind was blown as a 10 year old, by the step up "at the time" in graphics and features.

[@minusED]

It was also buggy as hell. They could not fix load times until the 3rd patch for most people. With a loading time approaching several minutes even before cutscene it was simply a disaster. Even Deus Ex 2 loaded faster. That helped HL a lot, because SiN saw quite some spotlight from press before release.

[@stevenhenry9605]

"Give me the gun and I'll pine-box the plastic bitch!" Classic.

[@Mak10z]

Talking about vertex animation... take a look at the rippling faces of Kingpin: Life of crime

[@gozinta82]

Another good game that got buried. I miss that game and the vulgar it brought to the table at the time. Everyone knew what it was.

[@IMN602]

Its BAD in that game

[@gozinta82]

@@IMN602 I remember that lol. When you were up close, it was like an acid trip.

[@IMN602]

I love old quake 2 engine games!!

[@oz_jones]

Oh, thats why

[@SirDamned]

What a game. Music on the construction level is still stuck in my head 20 years on.

[@G1itcher]

That jiggling model thing is called the MD2 wobble. Caused by vertex animations paired with integer coords for each vertex. Had to use MD2 models for a flash game once and quickly decided it was best if they didn't animate.

[@grooves9291]

Some one needs to make a compilation of everytime you refer to john Carmak

[@Collin255]

RAW!

[@connormeade8361]

You are the first reviewer I've seen to point out the "moving" models; which drove me slightly crazy thinking I was the only one. Awesome, Subbed. Awesome reviews btw :)

[@Maggerama]

Kingpin was the king in this regard, lol.

[@Portymoth]

@@Maggerama I'll sell you a crowbar for a dolla.

[@defiraphi]

Strange back in 1998 this game had excellent reviews from some game magazines . Some of them even said it was an unique FPS game with new methods as for the graphics yeah there was much better in 1998 . Sin has a Deus Ex feeling and also is somewhat the debut of modern FPS games with boring cutscenes cinematics such as those from Call of Duty Modern Warfare, etc... As for the character we play is very stereotypical from all the action heroes in movies in the 90's such as Wesley Snipes, Jean-Claude Vandamme, Sylvester Stallone, Antonio Banderas,... also some one liners are taken from some action movies and b-movies . Also Sin game was a free game you got when buying a new computer from Packard Bell back in the 90's such memories owning a Pentium 1 with 166mhz with a 4mb video card .

[@TheJayson8899]

You must have a miniscule attention span if you think CoD4’s cutscenes are boring

[@defiraphi]

@Trixmay 988 Well if the cutscenes or cinematics of "Modern Warfare 1" Call of Duty 4 was something innovative and new it's so silly , since many older games used that biggest examples "Half-Life 1" & "Shadow Man" sure back then they were only named cutscenes but later on it was cinematics . Anyway games using that technique of cinematics today are totaly out of place and not more interesting . I'm not watching a darn movie i'm "playing a game" not some blabla nonsense . What i really hate is that some of these cutscenes/cinematics aren't skippable . Todays video games offers a WOW cover, a WOW graphics but a zero content .

[@JoLiKMC]

This game is so freaking awesome… It's a damn shame what became of the franchise.

[@tinus1971]

I loved this game as a kid. I played the shit out of it. What stuck with me is you can find a quarter in the fountain and blade says ”hey, a quarter". Every time I replayed that level I would get the coin just to hear him say that 😅 fun times!

[@merthsoft]

I love how the dudes are surprised the woman can be evil, just because she's hot. Like there's some sort of correlation with ugliness and evilness.

[@Moonstalker]

Just look at Disney, Evil people are ugly and Nice people are Beautiful.

[@BullFrogFace]

Something thats been pushed in pop culture for a long time, unfortunately

[@Garrett2486]

Watched a few of your reviews. This is very good stuff, consider me subbed

[@LumocolorARTnr1319]

This was a good and badass shooter for it's time, I remember playing it and I was blown away back then!

[@shayoko6]

there seems to be a *SIN Reloaded* in development.

[@smorre4004]

Hopefully it won't be soy.

[@richardfld]

It looks shit.

[@Malgon3DR]

I was sure I had subscribed a while back when you had a couple of thousand, but whatever, I'm definitely subscribed now and going through and watching all the videos again. Keep up the good work!

[@MrAntifreezer]

Man, I wish I had up to a 100 pants

[@davidbrown160]

1:25 Yeah I love it when my assault rifle FUCKING BREATHES LIKE IT'S ALIVE

[@failsthefox6969]

Everything on your channel is good! Even the old stuff. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

[@robber233]

So fun note in sinclaires bedroom if you look out the window there is a temple with the blue oyster cult logo on it. So at least shes got good taste in music.

[@gadbel685]

Hey Civvie, will this game also add chest hair to women? Asking for a friend

[@ashuggtube]

I did love early on in the game when shooting grunts in the head might make them say "Ow! My skull…" as they died

[@Xegethra]

Those wavy graphics, it's like games that have them are during a heatwave.

[@ZzsarkStormbeard]

Congrats on 160.000 subs Civvie!

[@damazywlodarczyk]

Nobody talks about it but i think this game greatly inspired first Deus Ex.

[@TheJayson8899]

TheHolySwordofLight no it’s not. Have you ever played it lol

[@FeelingShred]

What is really creepy is between System Shock 2 and Deus Ex, those two games are so similar, the shooting being hard to perform, the inventory, etc. SS2 came first I think, but the guys who made Deus Ex made the first System Shock, so we could say the Deus Ex team are the originals? I don't know my brain hurts now

[@oz_jones]

@@FeelingShred it's like they are made by the same studio or something

[@FeelingShred]

@@oz_jones Both SS2 and Deus Ex are basically SystemShock1 "clones" revamped with a modern interface, simplified controls, etc. Apart from being developed at the same time, the coincidences end there. But it's kinda creepy how similar the inventory system is, etc. Anyway, I will proceed to re-install both games now for the 97th time, FUUUUUCK!!!

[@moebius2k103]

Head shots were so satisfying in this game, that is what I remember most about it even all these years later.

[@palchristianandersen9086]

I seem to remember that SiN was broken on release. The first mutant boss guy bugged out, so you couldn't progress. They released a patch, but it was ridiculously large for the time. Like 200mb or something. Probably another reason why it didn't do too hot.

[@richardjohansson9749]

It freaked out when you became a mutant. The game bugged out totally. Can't remember the details since I was like twelve at the time.

[@vincelang3779]

@@richardjohansson9749 Only if you reloaded - so long as you transformed, finished all the test chambers and returned to normal in one go you wouldn't experience the bug ... which darn hard hard to do. What my (then brand new) CRT monitor did not like very much was that every time I started the game the screen would go bonkers as the engine switched between all the display modes and resolutions. Over a dozen hard flashes - you could hear the tube lamenting in some obscure language. I think it was Arameic but I'm not sure...

[@gabby3036]

If anyone is interested, Ross's Game Dungeon (from the channel Accursed Farms) has a great video on SiN. Alongside many other good videos. If you haven't heard of him and you're looking for a new channel to binge, I highly recommend.

[@Uzeil21]

I'm still in awe of SiN's branching paths, it blew my mind when I played it as a kid

[@EddyTheDevil1]

I hope this video will get the "RAWMASTERED" treatment.

[@user-vn7ce5ig1z]

15:56 - There was the _Wages of Sin_ expansion and an attempt at an episodic series creatively named _Sin: Episodes_ which only got one episode because people hate cash-grabs like episodic games.

[@makaizaku]

Loved SIN. The FMV blew my mind!

[@hazukichanx408]

Come to think of it, I feel like Sin slipped something past us that is perhaps the most monumentally original moment in video game history: You start off shooting a mounted gun from a chopper, right. And the chopper is there to take you to the bank that's being robbed. Well, the chopper does take some damage during the shootout, but here's the thing. It either lands or at least drops you off... and then returns for repairs. WITHOUT CRASHING. A _chopper,_ right, in a video game... that doesn't crash! =D I suppose Deus Ex also did it once or twice, depending on how a certain event goes. Truly, these games were incomparable in their depiction of helicopters not made up entirely of cardboard and gasoline.

[@ripoutyourprejudice]

I like Half-Life 1, but both Unreal and SiN were much more fun and replayable. With HL1 you always play the game the same way because that's how it's designed. And I hate being restricted.

[@kayeplaguedoc9054]

They also have better combat tbqh. HL’s combat is one of its weaker points

[@BlackSabbath628]

You also had to wait like 5 minutes before doing anything, because of the obligatory tram sequence. I could never get around replaying it because of that. Like, what were they thinking? Its as bad as unskippable cutscenes.

[@Unobros]

@Cthulu I remember being very amazed the first time I took that tram and it was a good opening showcasing Black Mesa but it would have been a good idea to make it skip-able from the second playthrough.

[@innoclarke7435]

+Cthulu TheSpyMate, just... save the game once the tram ride is done, then load that save anytime you want to play through the game again. I don't understand why so many people complain about the damn tram ride when the game gives you a very plain, obvious method of circumventing the tram ride. I'd get it if there were only checkpoints, forcing you to ride the tram every time, but that isn't the case. Also, if you want to get past the tram ride faster, there's a console command that'll speed your game up considerably. I can't remember what it is off the top of my head, but it's easily found by looking it up. Easy-peasy.

[@FeelingShred]

@@Arglactable The Kojima syndrome. (System Shock 2 rocks dude!!!) I'm trying for like the 3rd or 4th time to actually play Unreal but the game can never conquer my mind, it feels like an engine tech-demo, press this button, now watch these flickering lights, now dive underwater. I don't know what it is about Unreal that it feels lifeless to me (never played Half Life yet but that must be even more boring)

[@mikeshvedov6981]

This dude sure does love VGs. Wow. Thanks. I like your style. Smooth talker.

[@corkbulb2895]

4:06 I love how one punch from Blade does as much damage to that civilian as a freakin shotgun!

[@thefeelbot]

Those warping gun models are absolutely hilarious!!

[@rnc7468]

Due to some technical quirk games running on Quake II engine have this weird LSD vision. It has something to do with how animations work on the engine if I am not mistaken.

[@An7ithe0s]

Love your content, man. Hope you get more subs soon.

[@rhc7426]

i know its been busy with lots of (new) games to review these days but I'd love to see a revisited video of this game alongside the expansion some day

[@Gatorade69]

Yeah, I'd like to see him redo a couple of these older videos.

[@Lord_Deimos]

Civvie's voice volume is lower than my will to live.

[@juliovictormanuelschaeffer8370]

Ah, SiN. The best Carmack/Romero fanfic ever made.

[@drakescakes5629]

I remember my local arcade back in the early 2000s had two cabinets with this and it was connected to play deathmatch.

[@SeekerLancer]

I remember wanting this as a teenager but I bought Half-Life instead. Probably not my worst decision though I should go back and play this one sometime.

[@Hawbitten]

Every time I try to remember what happened in Sin I end up remembering No One Lives Forever instead.

[@mugwump7049]

NOLF was such a memorable game! I still replay it every now and then.

[@PenguinDT]

My only complaint on this video - how you fail to mention the... "interesting" decor of the Sinclair mansion. I mean.... that's... something else.

[@bdwilcox]

The "interesting" decor was actually a homage to the "interesting" decor in A Clockwork Orange.

[@Gwalothion]

Not only that. If I remember correctly, you could also find a hidden security camera monitor where you could watch Elexis in her pool. Masturbating. To be fair, you had to noclip to the room, but still.

[@zaryl2k]

Damn that’s nostalgic moment right there!

[@steelingcable6350]

@@Gwalothion wait, seriously?

[@Gwalothion]

@@steelingcable6350 Jup. But I was wrong. Apparently there *was* a well hidden key. It's some wonky quality, but here, this is a video I found that shows this. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eWPVY3mPbrmtj9E

[@ivanhuanca9082]

Bro this was my second FPV game, I’ve got it from a cd💿 with a bunch of demos, included in a computer game Magazine, sick years.. (99-2000s)

[@michaels6391]

Soft quiet civvie is so cute

[@kylemerritt3794]

Came for the pro stayed for the pro...also dungeon, love ya civvie

[@bobanbobanic919]

Played the demo of this back when it was released and full game 15 years later and i liked it. Was surprised when the title said old and crap. Glad that in the end your conclusion is that the game actually is good, so it is weird you put that title. Also the ending was funny, kind of something you could expect of Duke nukem.

[@V1VISECT6]

"(old and crap)" is just what he uses for his old videos before civvie became more dedicated to the channel.

[@V1VISECT6]

"(old and crap)" is just what he uses for his old videos before civvie became more dedicated to the channel.

[@JonathanFont]

Played thru this whole game when I found it on sale at odd lots... It was fun stuff!

[@richardfld]

Im probably in the minority here but LOVED SiN over HL. Not to say I dislike HL, but even given SiN's flaws, of which there are many, I felt more invested in it. Even now all these years later I have a windows 98 PC dedicated to SiN that I still replay it on from time to time.

[@RomanoBeezyaew]

SIn is more fun :)

[@jdgonzo1982]

man this game felt so fresh. playing the demo when it released felt special...this and Kingpin really pushed the FPS to new levels...not that it always worked out well but risks were being taken and it felt good to play them at the time.

[@Moonstalker]

Yeah it took the quake formula to new grounds without breaking it. They added enough realism to make the gameplay deaper but avoided to add all the annoying things that could be super annying... Sure the game has some crappy sections, but I loved what the game had and the fact there is interesting ways to go from a level to an other because sometimes we don't go through the exact same levels.

[@SigHoovestrong]

I almost forgotten. But i played this as demo when i was a child.

[@КонстантинИванов-д1д]

Sin was awesome for the multiplayer. Weapons were crazy and really fun to use! Even with Quake 2 and Half life around we grinded so many hours on Sin

[@xexun0010]

wait so (old and crap) is referring to the video itself and not the game? i thought (old and crap) was a series where you reviewed stuff that was old and crap but sin isn't crap so it must be a tag you put on the video at a later date right?

[@unfa00]

I could play this game only for the Quake 2 engine nostalgia. That's how much I love Quake 2.

[@unfa00]

The irony here is: Half-Life was also made on a modified Quake engine, but they added skeletal animation and other insane features. But well, not everyone starts a game studio with a million bucks on their account...

[@gozinta82]

@@unfa00 A HEAVILY modified Quake 1 engine, from what I recall. You could edit levels using Worldcraft, which is now known as Hammer editor.

[@SpecShadow]

Finally finished it 20 years after release and it was good. Now time to play Wages of Sin, never tried that one. One thing about armor and body parts system - enemies drops their armors from time to time and its condition depends on the body parts shot by the player. If you go for the headshots all the time then forget about helmets, they will never drop. That's why shotgun is great but you won't get armor parts from gibs...

[@kveller555]

Ohh, no wonder why I was getting so much leg armor when I played it :P

[@FeelingShred]

Wages of Sin I found even better, it was a really impressive expansion, and I played for the first time in 2018, so it aged well too. (right after that I played Deus Ex and System Shock 2 for the very first time. Let's just say it was a memorable month) Speaking of expansions, I never really liked Quake, but damn Scourge of Armagon breathes new life into that fucking game, yes it does.

[@fallingwater]

2:34 while CRTs were definitely large objects, I don't remember any of mine being physically capable of fitting my entire body within them.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Can easily recommend this via the SiN: Gold release, although there's an upcoming Reloaded release. Also, where's Wages of Sin in this video? That is the real sequel, eve if it's an expansion pack.

[@Kugelschreiber333]

When this was release my IBM 166mhz pc died with the 20 minute load times and that intro helicopter thing killed me with 3 fps

[@bsaintnyc]

lmao

[@juiceFORfunNOTyet]

Спасибо за видео, коммент в поддержку вашей работы

[@amaruqlonewolf3350]

"Circling around the oilrig sniping security" Hold up, Ritual Entertainment made this? HA, I knew that sounded familiar. They also made an expansion pack to Novalogic's 2004 "Delta Force - Black Hawk Down" dubbed "Team Sabre". One of the missions have the same premise; circle around an oilrig and snipe out security before getting on.

[@Pyrela]

Remember the SIn multiplayer death match map where you're really small and jumping around a life sized room? That was the best ever.

[@foggy_nights]

12:47 prey 2017 literally came out 2, 3 months before this was released lmao

[@timidhobgoblin207]

“Jackpot!” “It’s a box full of fucking rats JC you asshole!” I died :’D

[@dharkbizkit]

i remember how hype i was for this game. the art style, the graphics.. it blew me away.. but when i had the game, it felt lackluster, i never finished it, played for like 2 hours and thats it

[@Sarmathal]

The audio balance on this one is rough.

[@OhSPY.]

I have no earthly idea why, but SiN's shotgun sound was...euphoric. I'd love to be able to download it somewhere. Good times.

[@Moonstalker]

if you own the game I think there is some unpackers to get access to the sound within the files unless it's available directly from the game files.

[@bud389]

The guns look like they're alive. Also, Soldier of Fortune, Turok 2, and Goldeneye all had some pretty advanced locational hit detection.

[@Maggerama]

And SoF was the best at it, I just couldn't get enough of it. And then they'd made the second one really shitty, why.

[@BishopGantry]

CEREBRAL BORE!!!

[@Sammo212]

Man, another game that I played the demo for nonstop. I remember it being the bank robbery that you're brought in to by helicopter

[@RelakS__]

1:30 That garbage movement is present in the Q2 engine also, so it is like this part were not improved in this game. 8:28 in that place once a goon shot out the weapon from my hand, I swear O_o

[@LastOneLeft99]

I played the demo for Sin back in the day then I totally forgot it existed.

[@garybusey9941]

"Save it for someone who cares, wench." Great line.

[@spencerlabell929]

You can enjoy all of civvies videos by downloading a compressor plugin for videos in Google Chrome. It's worth it.

[@spencerlabell929]

I use the free "Audio Channel"

[@Hartschteiler]

So many fun hours with Sin at all the LAN partys... good days ; Only Shogo came out better for LAN partys ... and this odd mod... what was it... Counter-Strike? Yeah... we are getting old. xD

[@JomasterTheSecond]

John Blade, the only man who is both black and white at the same time.