cKnoor's beginners guide to Blood Bowl - Episode 2 - Tackle zones, cages and assisting blocks

[@Matrilwood]

I like this. I initally ignored it because most of these kinds of "Guides" just talk about stupid shit like "You move by right clicking where you want to go" and "score a touch-down to score" Your guide actually tells me stuff.

[@mochamann9]

Your explanation of assists is so useful! Thanks for the great video!

[@Turonaa]

Suggestions for the next one: How to break or delay a basic cage, and when to do it. Blitzing, moving after a blitz and how to initiate one when in block range of the player already. Defining the difference between safe dodges and poor dodges. Using the end of a delayed turn (2-1 grind) for a pass to get a free SSP. These are some where I frequently see inexperienced players make mistakes or simply don't know how it works and what to do.

[@matthewbeck3891]

Have you considered doing basic ways to play each race? Would be fun to watch.

[@cKnoor]

The reason you bust with the WD is to get the cage to move quicker and do riskier stuff. You might not bust the ball lose, but the fact that you can means your opponent need a solution to stopping you. That usually means scoring.

[@jethro87]

There is one thing that I feel should be mentioned in this guide - Blitz. When your high strenght/low agility player has the ball, is standing next to end line, and then some weakling stands next to him forcing him to dodge to TD, which he most probably fails, what should he do? Blitz, because no one ever said, that you must to make your move before blocking while blitzing, it also works the other way. Block, then run. Kind of important for bashy teams, situational for others, but still... :x

[@JasonRoe71]

Great video. Focusing on movement related blocking would a good place to go next. Like cage breaking and surfing and how blitzing ties into both of those.

[@thischinksays]

Very informative video just like the last one. The ending was hilarious.

[@cyke26]

At 5:02, he did follow up, which left that following-up player in a tackle zone of the first elves pushed. if the second attacker did not follow up, he would remain next to the third and final elf, and not be standing in any other tackle zone, and would then be able to provide an assist, giving the third human a 2 dice block

[@AzimovTube]

Good video, so many of the TGS coaches still had no idea why they were getting 1 die blocks sometimes, and 2 dice blocks at others. Could have been an idea to mention the exception to the assist rules that is guard, and also explain the ways players lose their tackle zones.

[@TainSWE]

Tackle-zones finally make sense! Looking forward to more guides, keep up the great work.

[@MadderR3d]

gotta say: thanks for doing these videos. i was close of putting the game down but your videos have renowed faith here. thanks man

[@T99G86]

Thanks cKnoor! Your guides are a great help for bb beginners.

[@cKnoor]

At some point we'll probably get to that. Skills are great to have, but game basics such as positioning and tackle zones are much more important to learn in my view.

[@LyricalDJ]

Entertaining AND useful! Well done cKnoor! Also, did you think about mentioning guard? Personally, assisting is something I never truly understood until your concise and repeated explanation. So thanks for that.

[@Ishmaille]

Really enjoying Blood Bowl thanks to the TGS league and of course your help. My friend however is not... because I murder him every game. I've also gotten pretty good against the AI, which seems pretty braindead even on hard. I think I'm finally comfortable enough to try matchmaking. Thanks! Also, thank you for honoring Patty Pachycephalosaurus with your RT. To be honest he's actually still alive and well because I alt-f4ed the game. But I've reformed now, I swear! I love random deaths! :-)

[@cKnoor]

Both are good build, a tentacle build means he's going to stay put and tie people up. With Claw and Break Tackle you can build his into a scary blitzer.

[@cKnoor]

There are 23 teams in Blood Bowl, I won't be able to cover all of them in one video. I'll cover them at some point, but I feel like basic stuff is more important than covering all the teams.

[@garnzlol]

Oh my cKnoor You have got some person subscribed to you just to dislike your videos. That is like a thing that all popular people have congrats.

[@weissblitz100]

I think these guides are great! I know there are 23 teams to cover but if you find yourself with the time, perhaps a guide on teams that can offer the best chance of success for a beginner and teams to avoid as a beginner and why might be very useful as well!

[@Karragh]

I just wanted to compliment that art of a beastman with an extra arm. It's pretty great.

[@jethro87]

There is also rulebook (20 or so pages) prepared just for the video game in the tutorial section, under the single player/tutorial/competition rules, all important stuff is actually there.

[@cKnoor]

You can't cancel someone else cancelling you assist. An opposing player stops any assist that are in his tackle zones (assuming he's not the person getting blocked) It doesn't matter if the same opposing player are stuck in other tackle zones.

[@emil20091]

This was extremely helpfull! Thank you so much, I have learned so much by this episode, and I'm really looking forward for the next beginner guide episode! You rock, woho!

[@Arachnyd47]

Hello. First of all, I like your work on BB. I’m not anymore a beginner essentially because of your first videos. I don’t understand all that you are saying with Ethan and the others, but almost. I understand that Frenchies are not very appreciated, and I’m one of this Frogmen . Fortunately I have a good sense of humor . These guides are a good idea, and I want to congratulate you for all your work ;)

[@ColtaineCrows]

Cool, I'll try that when I venture on the online part, started a campaign with Dark Elves, they feel right. But then I've only played against the computer... Bloody Nurgles. Thanks for the tip dude.

[@Wommyo]

Maybe you could do a video on the basic strategies? Like the throwing game and the running game and the passing game and the "murder everyone on the oposing team"-game and what skills are good for those different strategies, as well as possibly a rough overlook on which teams are good or ill suited to the different games? Maybe even a basic overview of what the different positionals do, though that may take a long time (for instance, explaining newer coaches that Thro-Ras make Khemri pass plays)

[@xhitman9923]

I'm so glad you made this video. I didn't know that about the cage. (I just got the game today)

[@ShitoKaworu]

Thank you for the guides. I already got experience in the Warhammer Universe but not in Blood Bowl. So I really appreciate this because this is different from just playing Table Top Warhammer 40K. And I got to ask: Will you make guides for the different play styles of teams like Orcs or other bashier teams and on the other side the Elves (or the more agile teams)? Because I tend to play Orcs because they are my favorite for a long time and I would like to get some tips for those teams.

[@vampuricknight1]

i use your defensive line ups (the regulara and the lizardman one) every game now and i have to agree it midigates ALOT of potential run bys and turn 1 dmg that can be done which is critical at deciding what happens 3 or 4 turns in. Also i feel the lizardman grind strategy is significantly different as i always end up scoring 3 or even 4 to 0. I just can't play them defensivly since the team is basically a glass spear with the skinks.

[@cKnoor]

Orks and Humans are probably the best for covering the basics.

[@cKnoor]

I did think about it, but as no team starts with guard players I opted to not mention it took keep everything simple.

[@Mrvoid100]

Team setup would be an interesting topic mainly because I want to see your suggestions for some of the beginner teams, as well as what you think are good beginner teams. I know Orcs and Humans are good and the high elves armour makes me speculate they may be a good starter team but I don't know I'm still a noob.

[@maverickmuezzin]

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[@markieness]

love the artwork on these videos. :)

[@cKnoor]

They actually ship the full rules for the tabletop version of the game with the digital version. It's inside your install directory. It's amazing that they don't mention this fact though.

[@juvygenius]

cool thing i did with my lizardman team, I had one skink with catch that i placed center of the field and another skink with sure feet, sprint, and luckily 2+ movement. So with the other 2 skinks placed strategically, i would pick up the ball and get as near as possible to the catch skink to pass the ball to him. I then have him run up to the skink on the front line to hand it off. After making a hole in the defense, that skink can actually instantly score XD

[@NodHero]

A good video and a great service to new coaches. Thank you for contributing to the #BloodBowl community

[@cKnoor]

Pizzas, Blood Bowl demands a savoury snack.

[@Goombamunki]

I think a really good video would be a break down of starting team makeups, even by race if you wanted to put more time into them

[@uncle0bob]

Even with guard you dont cancel negated assits you merely provide assists regardless of being in tackle zones.

[@Gaudaloth]

Man cKnoor took a lot of time to teach jesse on his stream so he is kinda having training seassons with everyone and teaching them stuff, BTW today seasson with Crendor was awesome

[@MrBfiguero]

cKnoor, I love still love the Mr. Hadwick showing up in these videos but do you have any leftover goonart of Sett Cavre or Mikey to throw in the mix? I miss those guys, I really do.

[@RavensEagle]

Maybe in the next video you could talk about the stats of the players. For example how much strength difference do you need to get a 2 or 3 dice block. How high do you need to roll with 3 agility and how much with 2 agility. And what if you are in 2 tackle zones how much is it then. How about the armor roll how do you know with which dice he will get injured.

[@SilimSavertin]

Really nice tips, cKnoor. Could you give some advice on starting teams good for newer players? So far, I had the most luck with Necromantic and Undead.

[@banezks1592]

Thanks for this video, for a future one I really would like to know how to break a dwarfen or other strong teams cage with a fast one aka skaven, elfs etc. If I let them pass they just wait in the endzone and grind my players, if I try to break it I don't ever get two dice and I'll be grinded as well.

[@bleedleaf]

It's a decent guide, the shame is that cyanide game not having a guide of its own and few explanations on things, but then again I bought a digital version I could say what kind of material comes with a physical copy of it. A lot of it is self explanatory anyway imo but still they could at least link to the rulebook or include little clips like what you did here inside the actual game, I can't imagine adding a info tab being that hard.

[@ahedasukks]

The Guard skill allows a player to assist where it'd normally be negated.

[@Memilish]

Thanks for another nice video for us new people! I have one question on the subject of assists. What additional rule(s) would need to be added to the four assist rules you list in order to make it into a three-dice block? Thanks in advance! :)

[@LeemanJ]

Just to let you know, I've invited my whole street round tonight to watch your stream and am just finishing off the snacks now. However I am stuck between whether to bake gingerbread men or use the flour for small bite-size pizzas. What do you suggest cKnoor?

[@blargwoof]

You successfully grew your personal brand :D

[@cKnoor]

I thought about mentioning guard, but decided against it. I wanted to keep it as simple as possible, and no team starts with guard. So hopefully new players can experience the joy of finding guard by themselves.

[@phatpat63]

After watching the TGS league games this week I think dodging needs to be in the next video.

[@cKnoor]

No, there is still an lineelf blocking any assist from that tacklezone.

[@cKnoor]

The too fouling skills in the game are Dirty Player and Sneaky Git. When you build fouler you usually take the cheapest player you have an only give them Dirty player. You're aim is to foul players that have a higher value than your fouler, that way the risk to you is less. So there is no point in adding a bunch of extra skills on top of fouling skills as that would just make that player more valuable than those he wants to foul.

[@cKnoor]

Yes

[@wideboithin]

We love you too cKnoor :D

[@CrazytheUndertaker]

Yah did that at the time. I guess i had to do it an hour later to work :P thank u

[@cKnoor]

Thanks!

[@Ikketton]

Could you, once again, give us a video explaining the strengths, weaknesses, units, and tactics of each race?

[@TheStratovarian]

Will you be viewing skill options that are alike but different, like the when Wrestle is better, over block for certain teams, or how to stop certain common builds? (Like blodgers i think the term is) Or another of how to learn new teams outside your own area of expertise? I play dwarves, and orcs, yet can't seem to even make a basic go of any other team at all, to cite an example. Even ways like how to ensure casualties would be of great help to teams that need wounding spp's over scoring ones?

[@ahedasukks]

I searched for the answer a while back, they are piling on, wrestle and dodge(rare case where you want to get knocked down rather than get frenzy-pushed out).

[@Casemister36]

I think it's a beast man with the extra arms mutation.

[@Michal.Jaworski]

Hey, thanks for this video - very informative. I'm begginer coach - playing mostly against AI now. Tried some orc team - and they feel good - quite mobile and bashy. Tried Wood Elves - they are cool, but defending as them sux. You said - go bust the cage with your WD. My question is - in league environment - would you really do it? I mean - I play 2 WD + 9 lineman. Line guys are my cannon fodder (few of them died already - yeah I know - big surprise). But WD? After few games they are lvl 3 and 4

[@cKnoor]

Play Orks, if you're a beginner you're "risky" play is not what I consider risky. So it's better to stick with the basics first and then go risky :)

[@bleedleaf]

oh look at that, Blood_Bowl_Competition_rules pdf file ! hahaha amazing, they should include that in the rulebook's FAQ "where's the rulebook?" thanks

[@Lionguild]

I would love for tips for how to deal with dodgy teams as a bashy one like dwarfs. especially those wood elfs with leaping wardancers. Feels like my tackle zones mean nothing to them.

[@cKnoor]

No, I guess you could make an argument for having more block related skills makes it harder to knock that player down. But just general level ups does nothing to change odds. The skills picked are all that matters.

[@cKnoor]

You are welcome to try, but let it be known that I like the pixelated Mr Hadwick.

[@MrOscarben]

Dan you Talk about all the abriviations you Use like SBB/spp farming because I get really confused

[@cKnoor]

SPP stands for Star Player Points and work like exp to level up.

[@GinjaBadger]

Nice guides.

[@cKnoor]

I've finally made it!

[@ZackCosplayer]

I take it the next one is going to be on breaking a cage, hopefully?

[@Michal.Jaworski]

Most times, when cage is set - I'm goin against 2 dice roll. You can sometimes you can negate assists (but then atleast 3 of my man are at bashing range and thats kidna baaaaad). So even though WD 'could' leap and try to break the cage - my question is - should she? Because what I've seen watching TGS league - bashy team has advantage in long term. Easy - their players dont die (TB Dorfs and Crendor Lizards), they dont have to hire subs, so they can spend cash of rerolls.

[@MitchyMitchhhhh]

I'm trying to decide how to build my mino on my chaos team. I was think either a build with tentacles and skills to keep people where I want them, or make him into a murder with mighty blow claw and fun stuff like that. Any suggestions cknoor?

[@TheReapergod36]

I'm going to be getting both version for my birthday in april. So I plan to make a dirty player skaven team. I wanted to ask you, is this reliable. I seek to get the standard dodge, block, sure feet, and extra ma. But if I have the chance to get dirty player, then it might take priority over a small amount of the skills. My second question is, can you think of any other skills that help with fouling and have any suggestions on strategy. Your Khorne team is so far my favorite.

[@JGD_CZE]

Question: Why cKnoor's tackle zones are yellow squares and mine are yellow crosses (X'es)? No biggie, really, but from estetic viewpoint square TZ would be much nicer :D

[@lilmagi]

It's not needed, Jesse knows all this (he practiced with cKnoor, watch the video archive on twitch). It's just that Jesse doesn't like Blood Bowl, nor does he have patience for it.

[@ColtaineCrows]

What is a good team for a beginner who knows that heæll likely play slightly agressively and a bit risky? From what I've learned from the TGS league and yourself I'd assume Norse, Human, Amazons or potentially Dark Elves(mostly because they're not super squishy but have good AG and MA). Let's see how wrong I am.

[@cKnoor]

I'm not sure I'm ready to settle down just yet. :/

[@NovaStalker]

You can if the person assisting has guard.

[@videogamerNattie98]

Also about takle zones I have found 1 occasion where I got 3 red dice once but did not take it as let me be honest when in the hell are you going to go against an odd like that and win that is like doing 2 +6 dodges, it is not happening even with dodge and a reroll still not happening either way to get this outcome you need to have a weak player surronded to have this outcome just putting it out there as the mythical 3 red dice do exist and it is scarry :p heck the occasion i got it in a replay and if you want to see it so badly i will try to find the replay and locate the part where it comes up to show you it was a friendly match against easy AI to train.

[@cKnoor]

Merci.

[@Matrilwood]

With the 2-1 grind. How do things change if you happen to get the ball, or your oppont snatches the ball off you? And what happens if the first half ends on 0-2?

[@Michal.Jaworski]

Also, that means they have better chance of getting high lvl team than other teams (say Wood Elves - who can easly get oblinerated). Bottom line - help me here please cause I feel defending as WE sux. What I try to do - I put a defensive screen and move it back slowly - using dodge out to avoid direct contact (other than blitz that is). But that SUX ballz. I mean - i have to make so many rolls just to get away. And even with AGI 4 and dodging to no tackle zone - there's chance of turnover.

[@Zodroc]

I noticed in some of your videos, the game asks you if you want to enable skills like juggernaut. Which skills should I set to "Ask" and which should I leave automatic?

[@cyke26]

no, rolls are random- I'm not going to get into number seeding programming talk- but everytime you roll a dice, you have a 1 in 6 chance to get any outcome, what you rolled previously has no bearing on what you will roll this time. the level of a player has no affect, only his skills. some skills add or minus numbers to a dice roll which will affect the final result after doing the math, but it will have no affect on the actual roll.

[@number999999999]

i thought the extended cage was better since you ad larger tackle zone and better coverage...

[@MitchyMitchhhhh]

Are you planning on streaming anytime soon cknoor? :D

[@uncle0bob]

that's not what the guy was asking he was making it in reference to what cknoor did in the video.

[@DonzaDJN]

not to interrupt, but instead of doing each team, why not explain the play styles ya know, Bashy, running, ect.

[@cKnoor]

Yeah that is a good way to get out of having to do a dodge.

[@Kratatch]

I dont understand the assisting part tbh. You just put guys in to the enemys tacklezone and still gave an assist? (8 squares no?) But if you walk in to the tackle zone should you not lose that players assist?

[@ryuk908]

+Kratatch well, you HAVE to be in an enemy's tackle zone in order to attack. there's no way around it because the attacker and defender have to be adjacent to each other. as such, being in the tackle zone of a single opponent does not negate the assist. that's how i understand it, anyway. hope that makes sense, i'm still a noob at this game.

[@Kratatch]

Ryu K No i meant the asisting player not the attacking palyer.

[@Bad_Gazpacho]

+Kratatch When throwing a block you don't count the tackle zones of the player receiving the block.

[@bleedleaf]

you're right, it's pretty well done too i think, guess i should just pay more attention and complain less hahaha

[@Muck006]

This should be the "tutorial" for every Blood Bowl game ...

[@Leivve]

I'm so bad at caging, it's just easier for me to run my thrower to the front line having him pass it to my catcher and have him walk it in.

[@Michal.Jaworski]

I'm also trying to do pinpoint attacks with my WD from time to time (some lone catchers), but to try bust the cage with WD? That sound insane. I mean, other than WD my team is kidna shit (not really but you know what i mean), and opposite coach with IQ >60 will go after WD if he can. So... busting the cage with WD (with 1 roll at best) - isnt like asking for trouble? Feels kidna like that poor elf with mohawk is having a deathwish :(

[@kdillie1]

in the assisting part of the video rule 4 is "Must have his tackle zones" I don't understand that. how do you not have a tackle zone?

[@MrEliijahh]

If his down.

[@MrEliijahh]

Paolo Caponeri he's*

[@rupprupp29]

kdillie1 There are a few instances where a standing player can lose their tackle zones, depending on skills. For instance, the 'Bone-Head' skill reads: "...you must roll a D6 immediately after declaring an Action for the player, but before taking the Action. On a roll of 1 they ... can’t do anything for the turn. The player loses his tackle zones and may not catch, intercept or pass, assist another player on a block or foul....

[@cKnoor]

Tyvärr hinner jag inte riktigt med, får många som frågar och jag vill försöka vara så rättvis som möjligt. Därför är jag generellt tråkig och säger nej :( Jag spelar oftast matchmaking i Naggaroth så om man snurrar samtidigt som jag finns det så klart en chans.