CL Smooth Exposes Pete Rock for This?!? Hip Hop Legends Feud!

[@DanielIvan707]

Pete Rock was making more money doing remixes/beats for others than going on tour with his own group. Why doesn’t CL make a album with newer boom bap producers? Marco Polo, Nottz, Apollo Brown, Alchemist, 9th wonder.

[@rashodlewis2918]

CL’s AMERICAN ME album is dope. I agree he need and should be working with other artists. Even making his own beats.

[@daminharris3879]

​@rashodlewis2918 Yoo American me was hot slept on but I felt like he cooda had sum betta beats but it was still a solid undaground album

[@claudespencer6814]

or Divine Drummah

[@geesehoward357]

Becuz it ain't the same "magic" jo. You can throw producers out there but it ain't the same.

[@daminharris3879]

@geesehoward357 U r correct but he cooda found a producer or producers all dis time lol. Little Brother found plenty of producers who dey had fire chemistry wit afta 9th left

[@jreid100]

Pete Rock ain’t from Harlem bruh, he’s from Mount Vernon.

[@beyondfivenineteen]

Exactly, wondering where this dude got that from lol

[@AveMcree]

@@beyondfivenineteen because he went on a defense train on IG about my video

[@AveMcree]

and people were saying he's from harlem in the comments.. my bad I meant to add that.

[@deandregucci7592]

Pete Rock is Jamaican. Non-FBA tether, cosplayin' as an FBA. Turned his back on his family's culture to practice FBA culture.💯

[@ConradLindsay-o8i]

@@deandregucci7592fba corny

[@majorchutzpah7265]

Pete Rock is from Mt Vernon

[@knos360]

From the Bronx raised in Mount Vernon..

[@majorchutzpah7265]

@knos360 Yeah, he was born in the Bronx

[@jokermasmedia8091]

This is not a beef. Pete just doesn’t wanna work with dude no more.. and Pete’s from Mt Vernon fam. ✌🏽

[@MockeryManor]

Right.

[@TangoJordan]

I'm surprised you were unaware of this. He talked about the difference between producers being paid to stay home and rappers needing to be on the road. We need to make sure our splits take care of our folk.

[@AveMcree]

I'm very busy but not bad material for a mini docu though

[@EobardTron]

I do understand this, but its a bad look for CL imo. There's lots of other artists in that position. CL needs to focus on making his brand worth something without Pete. It is definitely different for producers, but Emcee is the business you chose and people do make it work.

[@BillyBatsonMarvel]

C.L Smooth need to click up with those Pete Rock type beat producers.

[@AveMcree]

ewwwwwwww! brother ewwwwwww

[@DamonDowns]

CL and DJ Premier would be a very good match up!!

[@rhythmron8473]

Maybe but Pete Rock & CL is a perfect match and that’s absolutely no slight against Preemo because he’s a legend as well.

[@MrCharizmatiik]

There is no need for them to try to work together if there is no love for eachother.

[@philtyrich1]

Pete from the Bronx but grew up in Mount Vernon . Diddy is the one from Harlem but grew up in Mount Vernon with Heavy D , Eddie F & Al B Sure . I agree with C.L on alot of points but him & Pete should have sorted out a back up dj situation for when pete was knocking out records for other people .

[@lamarrthompson8398]

They from Mount Vernon B.

[@feelgoodmusicradio8280]

They're from Mount Vernon! I'd like to see a reunion album happen, but Pete Rock is the reason why it will never happen. Even in what he said on Drink Champs, he sneaked dissed CL. I've met them both and while CL is down to earth. Pete in my opinion isn't a people person and has got a rep of clashing with a whole bunch of artists. One of the best Hiphop producers and one of my favorites. But not a nice person at all. If I were CL. I'd move on to other producers like Madlib, 9th, Oh No, Khyrsis, and Alchemist to name a few. i'm not gonna keep asking a dude who obviously has a gripe with me. At this point, I think too much has happened between them for them to work together again.

[@knos360]

You know this how?

[@bartboguski635]

Bro there's so much talent in the underground production you don't even have to reach to famous ones.Please check my favorites Jazz Spastiks from the UK...They would tailor full LP for CL not charging this crazy amount of $$$.

[@knos360]

@bartboguski635 As a producer that worked with C.L..I can tell you C.L is very picky with who he will work with..

[@feelgoodmusicradio8280]

@@knos360 And I know what how?

[@bartboguski635]

@@knos360 I understand what are you sayin' but try to listen to Jazz Spastiks stuff...For me they captured the essence of beatmakig from early '90s and even elevated it...Sound quality, scratches is just mind blowing...They did Godfather Don's Remixes, The Artifacts and C-Rayz Walz,People without Shoes...If you are a producer, student and a fan of a Hip Hop culture just give it a listen...Some of their production just gives you that feel of Mecca & Soul Brother, ATCQ, The Beatnuts, Brand Nubian...Im a hip hop head since 1997 and trust me i've heard tons of tracks but Jazz Spastiks x CL Smooth would be a project for the fans for sho....Thank You for reply!Much Love from Poland!Word is bond

[@KevKruz]

@14:48 Pete wasn't "working with an artist" in regards to CL, he was "part of a group" and basically "went solo". His argument that CL can get other producers to make beats is minimizing how difficult it is to build up a brand name and fanbase. Imagine if AKAI successfully banned you from ever using any MPC on your channel? AND you had to take down all of your MPC content? and you're not even partnered with AKAI... some aspect of what was discussed and agreed upon between them *before they started making records is unresolved. Or Pete just basically quit his job as "DJ Pete Rock" of the group "Pete Rock + CL Smooth" which means that financially speaking, that group that made those hit records? is dead and doesn't exist anymore. --- *good evening folks! we know you love peanut butter and jelly, but tonight on stage we have just Jelly!* --people ain't showing up to pay for that

[@hip-hop4life827]

Pete Rock was definitely working with other artists (like all the remixes), Deda (full solo project entirely produced by Pete Rock) and the Hip Hop group called INI ( with younger brother Grap Luva, Marco Polo & Rob O and this was also entirely produced by Pete Rock). These two projects were released by BBE Records in 2003 but were created in the early to mid 90s (so basically at the time when PR & CL were still together as a group). CL & PR were together so both should be paid equally when it comes around splitting money especially when CL makes a point about "he had to pay for clearing samples" but didn't get paid afterwards when they became hits because Pete Rock claimed everything. These stories are nothing new and has being going on since the early days of Hip Hop but fun fact is it's mostly about MONEY.

[@KevKruz]

@@hip-hop4life827 I meant "working with an artist" in regards to him and CL. Ave had compared the situation to how "producing for an artist" can be. Only, they were a group, not an "artist and producer" which really does make their relationship different.

[@deanivan3951]

It's old news and They ain't beefing! Pete would just prefer to make new tracks with different artists. He still went on tour with CL to do the old stuff a few years ago even after saying he wouldn't make a new album with him. It started because CL got all posessive and didn't like the fact that Pete was producing for other Artists.

[@JeffSevens]

9th Wonder link up would be 🔥. looking forward to this Odd Couple project w Peter Gunz

[@akiliofls]

Same issue Slum Village had with dilla

[@topnetworkersgroup]

9th Wonder and Little Brother aswell.

[@AveMcree]

it's hard to commit to one project when so many things are being offered.. ijs cuz I been there.

[@topnetworkersgroup]

@AveMcree and I understand that aspect of it, aswell. Not saying the choice is easy. The best route ultimately became, what Kanye did. Make your own beats so you can rap on them. We're all from that era where rappers rely on the producer. As you said, putting the "demand" on the producer. I get it. Why limit your own opportunities? That's why Kanye was right. More MCs gotta learn how to produce. For self. Appreciate the dialogue and all you do on your channel.

[@EliteBlackSash]

From what I saw, old stories / videos, people were saying Pete Rock called the police on CL Smooth while he was overseas and almost got him locked in a foreign jail over whatever. In fact, Funk Flex went on an massive rant about it on the radio. So, whatever Pete got goin’ on towards him, it seems A LOT deeper than just money. Aside from that, CL basically sounds like he was asking him not to give away the sound. But, producers can produce outside without giving away that particular sound. Pharrell and Kanye had a particular sound they give to Pusha T. Nobody else got that style from them. But they everywhere though.

[@DoronBond]

They not beefin…….they just not working together anymore …unless CL get in his feelins and not be militant ….tone means everything

[@BigCore-]

Mt Vernon not Harlem.

[@MapleSonics]

From what i understand on what he told bout the splitup, it seems Pete Rock was comfortably producing and earning money, while CL is a rapper who needs to perform to make money. They did not come to terms.

[@OmegaRedLotus619]

In this game you don’t wait on nobody if you want to keep building your legacy whether it be your rhyme partner, your producer, etc. Point Blank. CL should’ve been found other producers (plural) once he saw Pete was preoccupied with other projects. I know damn well other producers would’ve rocked with CL. He sound bitter cuz he never found his moment after Pete Rock. Lookin crazy

[@wm1573]

Agreed. He just seems jealous and bitter af

[@DoronBond]

13:40 I’m make this rrreal simple for yall….read that headline…now you see why PR ain’t tryin to do nothin else wit CL….unless CL change his tone….with PR not thru some podcast with others

[@spitflamez]

“Straighten it out” is one of there classic songs, that’s why he said it like that.

[@stannylou1636]

Why can't CL Smooth get a cracked copy of Ableton and make his own beats? 🤔

[@deanivan3951]

Smh What you just posted is the reason hiphop is in the disgusting state that it is musically . Not everybody should be rapping and not everybody should be making beats. There's beats and then there's Pete Rocks beats!

[@mrtedclayton]

It's a lot of work.

[@itremendous]

Man please, rappers make better producers than producers make rappers.

[@deanivan3951]

@@itremendous Tell that to Rakim, Qtip, Havoc, Godfather Don and Edan smh

[@itremendous]

Rakim did the production on paid in full, not Eric B - he was simply his DJ and executive producer. Q-Tip produced Vibrant Thing and most of the beats on that album.... Havoc was a rapper first - so like Kanye West, Pimp C, Juicy J, etc...- they prove my point.

[@rockhills]

I saw them on tour around 2013 and knew friends who opened up for them. They told me when Pete and CL showed up to the venue, they were basically like yall need to get out the room. Weren't speaking to each other or made attempts to dap up anyone. On stage they were great. I'm glad I saw them cause I figured a reunion wasn't likely.

[@MockeryManor]

There’s no beef. PR wished CL well. There’s plenty other producers that will lace CL up. As much as they made great music, you can’t force people to be down when there’s bad energy. Common & PR got nominated for 2 Grammy’s. That’s what good energy brings.

[@Drich238]

Reminisce song being on NBA Streets Vol 2 was super dope, that was one of illest games back in the day brings back a lot memories. Soundtrack was fire too. All around dope game.

[@re-laxed8988]

Pete Rock is from Mt Vernon my G.

[@Sinosure]

Damn, I just had a FB friend post a little bit ago about the reunion of 3rd Bass (they were beefing) & I mentioned to him in his comments about Pete & C.L. clearing everything out. Then you post this Ave!!🤦🏾‍♂️Man I need a Pete & C.L. reunion for at least one more classic album.

[@maxsmart9116]

Escape is probably my favorite Pete Rock beat.

[@beyondfivenineteen]

"This is Harlem World stuff here"..."Pete Rock is like me". Ave strikes me as somebody who heard T.R.O.Y. for the first time on NBA Street. Bro has a lot of HW to do LOL

[@AveMcree]

and you strike me as a person who got too much time on my hands. When NBA street VOL.2 came out I was in my 20's. T.R.O.Y. came out when I was in grade school. I'm probably older than you cupcake.

[@beyondfivenineteen]

@@AveMcree Probably not sir. Don't even start with a New Yorker cus we was born to snap. Reminisce is also a Mary J Blige song doggy. I think you need to stop- before They Reminisce Over Your brain cells, which are being choked out by that tight ass V-Neck son LMAO You sailing off the edge of flat earth with your fellow suburbian "Lord" Jamar?

[@scaleshenry]

CL Smooth is so game tight he can match mics with with Griselda and many of the newer wave boom bap rapper and trust it's no bullshit I'm stating. He can get on some smooth gangsta shit believe me

[@Serle-eo9sz]

MECCA & DA SOUL BRUVAH,,NEED TO STR8EN IT OUT...COTTAGE AVE MT VERNON NDA BILLDIN YALL

[@norryellzy3455]

How do you hook your? Mpc keyboard to your tascam 16 or 12 mixing board or any information to hook keyboard mixer and your fl studio altogether?

[@maxptah]

Nore said straighten it out like that because that’s one of their more well known songs and that’s how the sample kinda went

[@Serle-eo9sz]

Na,, AVE,,NOT THE BRONX BRUH,,MT.VERNON IS THE PLACE,, THAT THEY FROM..GET IT RIGHT NOW💪🏿💪🏿

[@Notorious_G.O.D_76]

Dang Mecca & The Soul Brother beefin' ? They was the face of east coast hip hop....I been reading some of the comments & technically "Pete Rock" is originally from Boston....move to Mount Vernon along with his big cousin Heavy D came from "Money Earinin' Mount Vernon".....People slept on Mount Vernon....a lot of stars from the Vernon like "Heavy D", comedian "JB Smoov", the group "I.N.I", "Denzel Washington"....that's right from "MTV" (Mount Vernon) & many others....I hope they work it out so we can get that reunion album we been craven since their last album together "Main Ingredient". 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

[@regalmonkmusic]

Seems a bit disingenuous to label this a feud. That implies that it's active and ongoing. They've both stated that things are cordial between them, though Pete doesn't seem willing to work with CL again.

[@AveMcree]

CL Smooth called Pete the F word... I'd say it's a bit worse than a feud or are you cool with cats calling you out ya name?

[@ndujamz]

Hi-Tek and Kweli had the same issues.

[@Wayne_C_Kelly_II]

Pete Rock & CL Smooth. Guru & Primo. Both grown men that kept it to themselves.

[@R.G.777.]

Ave how you just got the X SE chilling in the background, looks like its switched on too

[@AveMcree]

Been making beats with it and enjoying the bigger screen

[@completebeats8771]

Check CL. Smooth's Discography since 94' (The Main Ingredient). CL did an album in 2005 and in 2009. He did various features, but not many that moved the needle. What I'm pointing out is that after he and Pete split (label initiated or not) CL had his opportunities to work with many other successful producers in hip-hop. It's not like he was an unknown. He was an extremely respected emcee. But Pete don't owe him anything, unless he borrowed money from him. The sampling shit, he was mentioning??? That beef is with the record label. Especially back in the 90s. everybody was gettin f*cked by the label when it came to recouping money for sample clearance, etc., and to be honest, I doubt Pete owns much of his publishing from that time, because labels weren't giving you much in the way of ownership, and if you were to try to buy it back now, it would be VERY expensive for the sample clearance. So it's not Pete's fault that y'all both got screwed as young artists in a game that was even more predatory back then. CL comes off as a dude who has squandered his talent (and a damn good talent it is), by not working and using his connections at the time. Pete continued to stay in the lab, work on compilation albums, instrumental albums, remixes, and DJing. Now he's got a Grammy nominated album out with Common, and all of a sudden CL comes out the woodwork (aint' dropped a got damn thing in over a decade) and it's PETE's responsibility to do an album with him? ....for the "fans"?! FOH. Pete hit him with the "I wish him nothing but the best"....🤣🤣 When someone responds with that. You know aint a chance in hell that shit is gettin' reconciled.

[@TheRealCompensator]

We can only hope they will continue what they did before. Keep it business. Businesswise CL is absolutely correct. He only has one way to generate income in the music industry, whereas Pete has multiple ways, by signing different contracts with different artists. Ps. according to some sources on the internet, both have the same net worth? Around 6 mil.? If so, both are financially secure. Make the new album.

[@sarahebay6431]

Money Earnin Mount Vernon Not Harlem

[@Coachxxxl]

He did it like that because 'Straighten It Out' was a song off the Mecca and the soul brother album. The chorus says 'Straighten It Out' with an upward inflexion in the voice.

[@Stanley-r5b]

CL SMOOTH AND PETE ROCK WERE LIKE PEANUT BUTTER & JELLY. I REMINISCE IS ONE OF HIP HOP’S CLASSICS 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@KneegrowthPeriodTV]

I love Pete Rock but he is very stubborn and set in his ways and is not open minded at all, especially when it comes to Hip Hop being produced by the youth.

[@knos360]

You know this How?

[@KneegrowthPeriodTV]

@ from reading and listening to his comments 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@carlchargo6479]

Almost something like Buta Rhymes and Charlie Brown

[@chrismorale_]

We have to start looking at these groups as marriages. Unless a partner dies, are we asking the other person about them and why aren't they together and what can make it work?

[@kofing123]

I watch that whole drink champ and it goes to show you no matter what times we in some people will do anything to get that check cut especially if it's involved there craft

[@X-Foundation]

Another case of bad bizness !!!!!!!!!!! 2024

[@jasenforrest6628]

Pete Rock don’t wanna work with him cause of how bad he disrespected him in the past. If you could hear the hurt in his voice talking to sway you would see it feel it hear it. He was telling people Pete was depressed not brushing his teeth it got real disrespectful and cl know that. It’s his fault and I love cl

[@shorteeblitz8563]

They’ve been beefing for decades. That’s why there has been no PR & CL music since the 90’s

[@kevinmccurry4624]

“TIME MUST BE INVESTED FOR THIS TO BE MANIFESTED”

[@pkizzlebeats]

Ngl I feel like Pete Rock be tryna make everything personal when shit is business…I mean a lot of people from New York are quick to make shit personal when it’s not…everyone also entitled to their own opinions too…with that being said, Pete been out here doing his own thing creating his own revenue so it’s not like cl smooth ain’t got the clout that Pete does. I mean it’s not like producers are performing like artists they not getting a certain amount for a show every other day or week, he just get royalties…as does CL…so I’m still tryna figure out what he tryna say…it sounds like CL almost dancing around some personal shit that happened n he don’t wanna put that side out on camera, especially when talking about his “brother”. They might not make music together but that don’t mean they don’t care bout each other…

[@abelabera8502]

Q-Tip produced the first 3 classic albums and most people didn’t know that because the man that Q-Tip is he put produced by A Tribe Called Quest! He put J.dilla on( could’ve seen him as a competitor, instead he helped him out by introducing him to everyone in the industry)I’m saying this to say some Niggas like Pete Rock ain’t build like that! He sued Nas! I love Pete Rock as a producer though, you can’t deny his talent.

[@josecuervo1836]

they had a song together called straighten it out

[@Lyrics156]

Pete Rock & C.L. Smooth are both from Mount Vernon. My step brother went to school with Pete Rock, Heavy D, Trouble T-Roy (R.I.P. 🕊️), & Diddy back in the day. All due respect, you gotta get your facts straight before you get up on KZbin & start doing these videos fam. Real Rap. 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@kooldjnez1]

How did you not know about this or the disses between them the past 20 years???

[@TheRealCompensator]

4:16 The camel on the straw. 😅

[@geesehoward357]

NOW THINK ABOUT THIS FOR A SEC......you can literally hear CL on most of them beats after their break-up.....🤔.....I-n-I......Meccalicious.....Baby Pah.....and most of those records didnt really nit the market like that until yrs later. Yah jus don't understand that Pete was droppin meteors in that lil era. Remixes too......

[@deemoe7301]

Pete is money earnin' Mt. Vernon. CLs from New Rochelle, NY - the northern region.

[@bigfamsmusic]

Pete Rock isn't from Harlem. Mount Vernon isn't Harlem. Manhattan isn't Westchester.

[@jimmytrice9755]

They need to box it out my money on CL

[@TYBO-xl1xz]

When music content creators resort to gossip 🧐

[@EZglad]

Pete rock ain’t from Harlem. Man do your research

[@topnetworkersgroup]

Me and CL share a birthday. Both October 8th libras. I already know Pete Rock is wrong. Like alot of producers to be real with it. A producer I worked with in high school "forgot" about the ones he came up with soon as he could work with bigger artists. And that definitely pissed me off. I don't fw him to those day, 30 years later. Cause that was some punk shit. So ironic how much I relate to what CL talking.

[@djgeorgieporgie7862]

Thumbs up gang we here 👍

[@paulrice1607]

If Heavy D was alive...🤔🤔

[@uriel-heavensguardian8949]

Its time to move on to other producers. F it! Plenty of other producers have that skill it make them beats like he wants. Let the past go and move forward.

[@fleamarketmixtape3793]

cl smooth is doper then pete rock sorry just my opinion but rapping of course i am saying. cl is fire for real as an mc

[@fredicagoillanoise1309]

That Funk Flex show, where he went off on Pete Rock was cringy. I rock with both and it wasn't easy listening to it. It got ugly.

[@bsmooth2020]

They are not from Harlem They are from Mt. Vernon

[@nyagreene81]

Mt Vernon!

[@PandillaVerde23]

Yo wind longer than Nore 🤫

[@tomblaze2]

Sad to see

[@718King]

WOW 😮

[@Avoucher4u]

Reminisce is one of the best hip-hop tunes of all time. definitely legendary

[@carlchargo6479]

Been going on for years and I won't pick a side but 3rd Base just reunited for a tour etc.

[@kennylee5621]

They're from Mount Vernon.

[@HISONLYSMOOTHIELADY212]

I love to my husband hopefully the brothers could get back together soon just for the sake of the culture but I guess he got Peter gunz now so maybe that will inspire something 💍🥳

[@donalduzoka5792]

WTF beef brings clout so I guess alot of people need to comeback relevant to get to the 💰

[@mecca777]

wtf is happening?

[@RAP-JACK-JOHNSON]

Straighten it out was crazy from nore

[@bairahrecordings]

💪🏿🎯💯

[@nilespeshay1734]

Growing pains of hip-hop... How beholden is a producer to their rapper? There was no real precedent at the time. BUT... at the time, couldn't CL Smooth get shows WITHOUT Pete Rock standing at the turntable behind him? Because, THAT'S how you get your sample money back, CL. Rakim was fine without Eric B. Fresh Prince was fine without Jazzy Jeff. etc. etc. At a certain point, if the rapper can't find success without a +particular+ producer, then no one was checking for that rapper and he, in fact, owes his success to that producer. (There's a reason DJs/producers got top-billing in those duo names.) Pete is working with Common.. who brings real value to the duo. If I'm Pete Rock.. doing an album with CL (now) means that I'm 75% of the draw and I have to share (at least) 50% of the profits. That doesn't make sense. CL needs to do an project with a 'lesser' producer (Black Milk etc.) and show he has value before he knocks on Pete's door, again.

[@topnetworkersgroup]

Fresh Prince got into acting. That's why he was fine without jazzy. Rakim never did much without Eric B.

[@nilespeshay1734]

@@topnetworkersgroup Rakim has as many solo albums as there are 'Eric B and Rakim' albums (4).

[@danielbaronne753]

Rakim produced many of their songs, so he did not need eric b, who was mainly a dj

[@kenyattax2268]

whats that on nore head.....

[@CRock878]

he's from MT Vernon

[@knos360]

None of these comments are correct..Yall outsiders looking in...its more t9 the story

[@AveMcree]

🤷🏾

[@knos360]

@AveMcree because I know both of them personally and worked with both of them. I am seeing alot of comments that are not true.

[@AveMcree]

@@knos360 it was weird it popped up in my algo when I was researching something else

[@TheAlevelfilmz]

Ave you’re kinda late on this.

[@ProdbyGrimeyred]

U way out of touch if u just learning that they have issues.

[@KrisCashMusic]

914

[@TheMARCVISION]

Old news

[@peacepocket]

CL is bitter, miserable, and constantly complaining about the past. Move on Bro. It's been almost 20 years since they broke up. He needs to make new music. Pete Rock has moved on and is thriving in his career after going broke and being left for dead by CL.

[@MrMrtsmith72]

Get with Premo No ID or Kanye ....let pete rock go ..had some heat but not the producer he was ..Common joint is hot but it has skipable joints

[@donaldbanks8921]

Bro, you talk too much. Let’s watch the video.

[@daysaverproductions]

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