Yes, the module(SIP) saves the name. the old names that you see are stored in the adapter.
@aednichols10 ай бұрын
As someone who got into computers in around 2005-2007 this era of device was state of the art back then, but I was a noob and thought it looked cool and didn't really get it. This channel is bringing it full circle. Pretty much my favorite KZbin channel now.
@clabretro10 ай бұрын
ha thank you!
@kuulajarkkoperse7 ай бұрын
100% what he said
@chaseohara478110 ай бұрын
Maybe instead of keeping the KVM server in your office area and running multiple cables back to the rack, you could leave it in the rack and add a KVM over Ethernet cable from it back to your desk? Less cabling and eliminated the noise. One way to deal with it anyways.
@clabretro10 ай бұрын
yeah I think if I end up managing more than two machines at once I'll have to rethink it haha
@thomasbonse10 ай бұрын
You could also use something like PiKVM for the web access. Combine that with a little vga to hdmi converter to connect to the local vga of the KVM. That'll get around the Java issues.
@slightlyevolved8 ай бұрын
I mean, that's how these were designed to be used. The KVM is meant to be with the servers, and accessed over the network. Generally you wouldn't ever be using OSCAR but connecting via DSVIEW software or the Java Web interface. They're meant to run headless for the most part. I have an Avocent (which the Dells are rebadged with custom firmware) DSR2035. And yes, those empty spaces on the board are for additional kvm client ports. Oh, and the virtual media is usually a licensed feature and requires DSVIEW management software, at least on the Avocent models.
@looeee10 ай бұрын
I'm only slightly interested in the old kit that you explore on this channel but your presentation style and the journey you take us on makes it fascinating
@clabretro10 ай бұрын
thank you!
@basroos_snafu10 ай бұрын
Nice device, thanks for sharing! One tip: cover the hole that was left after removal of the old fans. It will become the path of least resistance the newly installed fan will use and it will cease to suck the air from the front. Keep up the nice videos, it is a relaxed and welcome distraction from all the events happening related to the final and utter establishment of peace on earth.
@clabretro10 ай бұрын
oh good call, I'll block that other fan port. and thanks for watching!
@TheJonathanc8210 ай бұрын
Ran several of these exact model in a data center I helped build back in 2007-2008. Brings back the memories 🙂
@donoteatmikezila10 ай бұрын
I would recommend covering the fanless hole on the back of the KVM to make sure that he fan is pulling air from the body of the case and not just directly in through that hole. With the hole there you won't be able to build air pressure to draw in air from the front.
@clabretro10 ай бұрын
yeah very good call, I'll cover that!
@Zach_Miller10 ай бұрын
Man this was a throwback.. About 5 years ago I got my hands on an Avocent AV1030 which, even at that time, was old as dirt. Took me DAYS to get it going, between tracking down compatible SIPs, finding the local software and the updates, etc.. I never could get KVMoIP to work reliably but the local console was nice. I always wanted to find and AMX user station to play with too, which I think would fit your lab nicely only needing one patch back to your server rack
@clabretro10 ай бұрын
nice! yeah I'll have to hunt down an expansion module if I start managing more machines at the rack
@slightlyevolved8 ай бұрын
Most of these Avocent based units work pretty easily for KVMoIP, BUT, they really only work with Java6u45. I'd you have Java7, you have to change security settings in a Java, and 8+ is just right out. Pretty similar to the Dell iDRAC 6 console, which, if you look closely, uses the same Java console software as the Avocents.
@davidew9810 ай бұрын
There are 2 versions of the USB SIPs. one with VMedia support and one without. Also, there are at least 3 variants of this box. Dell, HP, & Avocet (the OEM who created it). As far as I know there is a little bit of restriction on which brand SIPs work on which brand KVMs. I don't remember which works or doesn't on which. There might even be a way to mod the firmware to prevent the restrictions but I haven't looked into it.
@clabretro10 ай бұрын
I was thinking maybe it was an incompatible SIP
@SwitchingPower10 ай бұрын
When the build in power supply dies you just need to replace the 2 small electrolytic capacitors on the little riser board in the PSU they always die. The reason the local VGA seems dark is because you use a passive VGA splitter cable to the HDMI capture card and the VGA monitor loading the signal double and thus lowering the signal levels.
@clabretro10 ай бұрын
yeah I'll bet it's something simple on that broken power supply. and ah, good call about that passive splitter!
@Connor-Pilling10 ай бұрын
I need one of these for my home lab. 😂 Honestly though this is my new favourite channel please keep it coming !
@clabretro10 ай бұрын
thanks! more always on the way.
@christophertstone6 ай бұрын
That is a rebadged Avocent DSR (chip on the board absolutely confirms it). They were available in 32 port configurations, but those had a mezzanine board. The unpopulated parts of that board are for local consoles. Yours only supports one, but other models supported up to four. There was also support for connecting to a modem for remote management (pre-VPN days), and connection to UPS/PDUs so you could control power to devices as well as KVM. At least HP and Dell rebadged their hardware, probably others. The IQ modules are incompatible between branded units, firmware lockout. Avocent used to be a really cool company. They're owned by Vertiv now, don't bother contacting for old firmware, software, documentation, etc.
@Redd0010 ай бұрын
Man working on a new KVM and seeing the features that were once top of the line for 2007 shows just how far we have come. Great video love the work that you do!
@clabretro10 ай бұрын
thanks!
@bobpfau110 ай бұрын
I have the same KVM, just HP branded. Still using it and works well!
@clabretro10 ай бұрын
im starting to wonder if Avocent built all these and they got rebranded.
@cromulence10 ай бұрын
We used to have some Adder network KVMs that ran VNC servers - you'd connect in and it would have it's own interface and 16 device inputs. Clever bit of kit. Had an HP one as well but that had a Java app which seemed kinda crummy. The virtual media thing might be based on whether the adapter supports it or it's potentially something unlocked with an additional license.
@clabretro10 ай бұрын
yeah was thinking maybe the SIP I used might not support it even though it was USB
@NiddNetworks10 ай бұрын
Found your channel a few weeks ago and have been steadily binging a lot of your older vids. It's genuinely a pleasure to watch you derive so much joy sharing this stuff with us all.... Even though many of us probably lost several hairs from our heads working on this in the past! Subscribed now, looking forward to the next video!!
@clabretro10 ай бұрын
Haha thank you!
@appleontheapex10 ай бұрын
My dad worked for Nortel back in the day, and would bring me into the server rooms to look at things. I recall there being a large metal shelf with about 25 Pentium 4 Optiplex on it, and two huge P991 Dell CRTs next to it for managing them. There was a KVM really similar to this and it blew my mind that you could share a monitor without moving any cables. I love to see this stuff being demoed on era-appropriate hardware and OSes. Really brings me back to a time when this stuff was all new and rather magical to me. Keep doing what you're doing!
@clabretro10 ай бұрын
Very cool! Yeah I remember seeing these things (well - probably not this exact unit, but a similar KVM) in action years ago and being amazed. Thanks for watching, more to come!
@Ano_ny10 ай бұрын
Still running this one in my homelab 😄
@clabretro10 ай бұрын
me too now 😆
@andrewnoonan578610 ай бұрын
I have one of these in use in my homelab today. Originall they cost for the 24 port model several thousand dollars. But they simplified cable management immensely. They are rebranded Avocent systems.
@JohnKiniston10 ай бұрын
We had one of these units at a place I was working at up till 2008. Great device.
@DemetryRomanowski10 ай бұрын
So I thought that KVM looked familiar and within two seconds you confirmed it with the OSCAR interface, I don't know who originally manufactured them but I have the exact same KVM for my IBM blade chassis.
@clabretro10 ай бұрын
Based on Dell's documentation it seems like Avocent was very involved with these.
@ryderrepairs10 ай бұрын
what a perfect friday when you upload!
@clabretro10 ай бұрын
thanks for watching!
@metalwolf11200210 ай бұрын
I want to thank you for making this video. I just ordered one of these off ebay last night. It should arrive later this week. I'll let you know if i discover anything odd regarding the usb media.
@clabretro10 ай бұрын
Nice! Yeah let me know what you find, I need to tinker with it more too. I'm sure I was just doing something wrong or the SIP I have doesn't support it.
@ConnerWithAnE_10 ай бұрын
Spectacular content as always
@clabretro10 ай бұрын
thanks!
@nsp26510 ай бұрын
We still deploy KVMs from time to time. Sometimes the old ways are still the path of least resistance.
@deakia10 ай бұрын
Great video! KVMs are always something that have facinated me and you have very much peaked my interest!
@clabretro10 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@callmebigpapa6 ай бұрын
These old KVM are great I have a Aten Master View Pro KVM Switch CS-128A that still works perfect! great video!!!! I keep an old OS VM around for managing all the old java and flash based stuff, protip is to use old Firefox ESR pre 52 as the ESR will not auto update.
@clabretro6 ай бұрын
yeah I like having XP VMs around!
@TimSumpton10 ай бұрын
Our office had one of the version with the keyboard and screen built in as well. Very handy.
@andresbravo200310 ай бұрын
Man, that Dell PowerEdge looks pretty good.
@chaseohara478110 ай бұрын
I am always so annoyed when companies use acronyms that are already in use from the same sector. While I know VoIP wasn't Quite as ubiquitous when this device came out, SIP (Session Initiation Protocol) was fully standardized in 1999, so it had been around for yearsss by the time this came along, haha 😢😜
@mikebetz4210 ай бұрын
You can remove the fan connector wires and put them in the original connectors in different order without using the adapter. Just involves bending the locking pin on the crimp connectors in the header. Have done this several times.
@clabretro10 ай бұрын
oh yeah that would've worked
@BartekSzzz7 ай бұрын
If it could only have option to interact with power state of the managed machine, it would be a dream :D Really nice video!
@XxCrawdadCraigxX10 ай бұрын
couldn't care less about a old dell KVM, but watched the whole thing. good video!
@clabretro10 ай бұрын
haha thanks!
@hew3410 ай бұрын
User of these for years, yes the SIP holds the name, but also the switch caches the last known name too. And yes those USB PS2 dongles were used all the time 😅😅😅
@scottanderson287110 ай бұрын
Dude this is great!
@clabretro10 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@Mr_Meowingtons7 ай бұрын
oh man I love your videos I am so getting one of these for my Home server setup. there not to bad on ebay
@williamogilvie69097 ай бұрын
That's cool. KVM's have come a long way. I designed and built a KVM in 1991. It has a very good technical design, but unsuccessful as a product. Early KVMs were just mechanical switches, which made them very inexpensive.
@clabretro7 ай бұрын
ah cool! yeah and this one is getting up there, I think it's really impressive considering how old it is.
@JustinSmal10 ай бұрын
I use the usb version of this on my desk right now😂
@clabretro10 ай бұрын
ha nice!
@smileymattj10 ай бұрын
I had the same Dell DS-2 at my old job. Used it to manage old 95 machines that weren't connected to network. It's actually rebranded. I believe Avocent is the ODM. They also made it for HP. Some years back I bought the HP variant for nastagila reasons and compare to the Dell version. It is the same interface (different logo), functions identically, same quirks. Interestingly the HP version doesn't have fans. There was a windows java application you can install. It's a little faster than the web browser UI; less clicks, auto-login. But in the end it launches the same java window the web browser did, just gets there faster. Java remote window ran the same once launched. They are very robust. AC in the server room would shut off very frequently and it was one of the last things to stay up and functional while everything else locked up from overheating.
@clabretro10 ай бұрын
Read about that application but forgot to try it out! Yeah they seem like rock solid units for sure.
@himbeerme10 ай бұрын
I love the implication that the previous user apparently used it with the default password the entire time
@Torbjorn.Lindgren10 ай бұрын
There's a 4161DS variant which does 4 remote & 1 local user and 16 ports and a 2321DS with 2 remote & 1 local and 32 ports. And a 2161DS which was like the 2161DS-2 but missing the web-interface of all the others - I assume this was intended as a slightly cheaper cascade unit since those wouldn't have network anyway, the root device does that. I'm not sure this was actually ever sold, it was certainly not an option when we got KVMs from Dell back in the day. The KVM switch hardware is IIRC identical to a group of Avocent model that I no longer remember the names of but Dell has heavily customised the firmware. The Dell "PEM" passive 1-to-8 splitters is a Dell thing and only works with the Dell KVMs, but OTOH the Avocent variant accept both it's own and Dell's SIP modules while the Dell ones only accept the Dell SIP modules (sigh). The Avocent variant does offer "cascading" too but only via the more common "connect multiple active units to a master unit (which was the same)" so IF you could live with the restriction incurred by using the passive PEM splitters (only one *active* user per physical port on a KVM at any one time) using the Dell models was much, MUCH cheaper for large fleets and often more than sufficient. IIRC the KVM units costs thousands of dollar each so replacing a cascade KVM with two $20 (IIRC) PEM was a massive saving. And on the Dell you can mix and match directly connected or active cascade (for "important" servers) and PEM splitters (less important servers, one active per PEM at any one time). The Dell KVMs allows up to 512 machines (since it only allow two levels this requires at least one 32-port unit), I think the Avocent had the same limit. Getting the KVM-over-IP up and running these days is a major PITA though, you need seriously old Java versions installed for it to work once it tries to launch the display viewer, via either an old webbrowser OR the standalone KVM interface. I suspect it also needs to be on Windows 7, so "fenced off VM" basically. The standalone (also Java) Dell KVM app for it is neat in that you can add multiple KVM stacks in one view (flat OR hierarchical) and is a lot faster for just accssing servers but configuring the KVM and certain other functions does require using the web Java interface you used. I suspect the reason virtual media doesn't work is because you didn't get a virtual media capable SIP, it was the regular VGA+ÚSB (keyboard/mouse) SIP. The manual says there was a third special SIP which did VGA+USB/virtual media but I've never seen one (not that I've searched THAT hard). They certainly didn't offer the virtual media SIP back when we got our Dell KVMs back in the day so I suspect it was both launched well after the KVM unit itself and probably also considerably more expensive thus making it very rare these days.
@clabretro10 ай бұрын
I'm also fairly certain this is just a Dell-branded Avocent. That's really interesting about the cost savings if you could deal with just one active user (a pretty reasonable tradeoff, I'd imagine). I think you're probably right about the SIP I have not supporting virtual media, that was my best guess as well. It's hard to tell which ones actually support it, the manual I downloaded just says "a USB2 SIP" is required.
@Torbjorn.Lindgren10 ай бұрын
@@clabretro The RCS User's Guide (2010) on Dell's webpages (for 2161DS-2/4161DS/2321DS) says that it supports P/S2, USB and "USB2 with virtual media" SIP. Note the USB vs USB2 distinction, I expect that the "normal" USB SIP uses 1.5 or 12 Mbps UBS 1.1 which is plenty for mouse+keyboard... Then in the Virtual Media section of the manual there's a note that says the virtual media function requires a "USB2 SIP or Avocent brand PS2M or USB2IQ". And a second note says that virtual media isn't possible for SIP connected via PEMs, but that's obviously not your problem here. I'll post the link as a separate post to avoid KZbin deciding to eat the message including all the text. So I was wrong about them not supporting Avocent SIPs, based on the DellKVM compatibility matrix it supports many but not all Avocent "CIP", the model names Dell mention doesn't appear to exist anywhere! but I'm I'm guessing they might be referencing the DSAVIQ-USB2 and/or AVRIQ-USB2. Ah, the 1.4.0.6 (2016, final) KVM firmware release notes mentions that it adds support for the AVRIQ-USB2 and MPUIQ-VMCHS which both are virtual media dongles. So that's likely at least four SIP/CIP models that "should" allow virtual media if you have the "latest". Savings: The first Dell KVM install back in the days that I used had ~80 servers in a data center in another continent - controlled by one 4161DS and lots of PEM and SIPs. A few important servers were connected directly (and via DRAC for power and virtual media but the KVM was more convenient), the rest via PEMs which drastically cut the cost and made cabling much simpler (most PEM to server cables were 1, 2 or 3 feet). PDU's with per-outlet power control could be used to power cycle the machines if necessary. All to make it as usable as possible without having to get data center "remote hands" involved - which often took hours and even back in 200x cost hundreds of dollars per started hour, and more often than not the person assigned was basically computer illiterate (!?), shocking but true. Now and then you got a good one, my good were you grateful when that happened. Now, a number of people had access to it but the reality is that 99% of the work was done via ssh so KVM conflicts were very rare, 99% of the time no one had any connection up at all but it was important that it was possible. I'm not sure if using DRAC modules was even possible for the (Dell) "bulk" servers at that time but it certainly would have completely blown up the budget compared to even the 5 "active" KVMs a non-PEM setup would have required. Yes, using PEM meant that "channel stomping" could and did happen but it was rare, and when it happened it was almost always one person trying to do simultaneous windows on machines on the same PEM. I suspect most Linux deployments still fall into an usage pattern that is compatible with this, though these days they'd likely have built-in KVM instead, For more concurrency you could as mentioned go with more KVM switches and active cascade, though prices went up a LOT if you needed more than 4 active concurrent remote users in a specific system (cascade of switches) though but it did exist, IIRC when this model was launched Raritan already had KVMs that supported 32 concurrent remote users "anywhere", of course requiring active cascade. It just cost a lot, LOT more (Raritan was the ne-plus-ultra KVM brand at the time and priced themselves accordingly).
@fokthewef10 ай бұрын
One day for sure you're going to open a wormhole 😂😂
@clabretro10 ай бұрын
😂
@chaseohara478110 ай бұрын
Since you had all of the cat cables plugged into that Ubiquiti device (switch? I always get their models confused), a quicker way to trace one would be to just plug in a device and watch which port changes status in the management console/check the logs for the port change message. Ask me how I have found out all the fastest ways to do port tracing. 😂 Or how I know that VoIP phones make surprisingly good makeshift line tracers. Hahaha
@clabretro10 ай бұрын
yeah I thought about that afterwards 😆
@LeeZhiWei821910 ай бұрын
I totally thought there would be a power button on the edge haha... Also. SIP... Been messing with a lot of VoIP stuff so that caught me off guard haha. Thought that the fan noise was worse, since this is a server stuff. Overall great video!
@clabretro10 ай бұрын
thanks!
@Deraco110 ай бұрын
Ah yes. I remember seeing these modules before but never corrilated it to one of these. makes sense. Funny thing, I just looked up IP KVM and a HP 410530-001 KVM came up and its the same exact chassis and hardware, just different firmware slapped on it
@clabretro10 ай бұрын
very interesting. I wonder if Avocent built all these and they got rebranded.
@davidew9810 ай бұрын
they did!@@clabretro
@slightlyevolved8 ай бұрын
Will confirm. Even the Dell iDRAC KVM console is Avocent licensed software (not the whole drac, just the Java console software, up through drac6 at any rate). You'll note that one of the chips on your kvm board even says Avocent.
@ergosteur10 ай бұрын
lol we still have this in prod at work. I set up a Linux VM with Wine and Guacamole to run the IP console app in an HTML5 browser instead of using XP with old Java.
@clabretro10 ай бұрын
ha that's awesome!
@izzlazz10 ай бұрын
The 3R875 - Dell 8 x Ports KVM Switch Expansion Module is nice. It will let one KVM port manage up to eight SIPs. You can install the expansion module in your server room (it is quite small) and let you manage up to eight servers through a single ethernet cable to the KVM head unit in your office.
@clabretro10 ай бұрын
ah that is a great idea!
@pdarrell10 ай бұрын
The modules have the name stored on them.
@Darkk696910 ай бұрын
Good ole re-badged Avocent KVM. Before I discovered iDRAC on the Dells this is what I would use to manage the servers. Cool feature is that you can daisy chain these KVMs together into a single KVM stack. I still have several Avocent KVMs in the rack with the VGA end pieces. Just not using them anymore because Java only works on ancient OS and pain to keep messing with the security settings so I retired them. I use PiKVM for my home lab.
@slightlyevolved8 ай бұрын
I still have mine running. Biggest reason is the support for serial connections as well and I have a use for out of band, remote, serial terminal access. If I have that might as well dockerize an environment with java6u45 and keep on using the VGA modules.
@elesjuan10 ай бұрын
Very neat. I’ve been looking for a network kvm to manage my (basement) server rack from the (2nd floor) office at home for a while. This has been a bit of a difficult task because I’m very cheap, and a lot of even the older units have “sip” modules that cost damn near a hundred bucks a pop, and most generally the used market modules are ps2 and I don’t think there exists a ps2 system board in my house anymore. Also my long term struggle to get the damn ipmi interfaces on the three servers I use to even work for remote console, thanks to the god forsaken existence of Java really pushes me away from most of these ipkvm appliances that exist on the second hand market today. Damn you oracle!!!!
@lpseem377010 ай бұрын
24:39 You even have retro usb memory sticks. My old kingstones are all pretty dead. I liked a flashing activity light. Almost no one is adding those now. Overall, it is pretty sophisticated KVM. I like it. The only problem with it - by design of course, because it has to be compatible with everything - is amount of required cabling, when 100M ethernet to an iLO is more than enough. It could work for a tower of Raspi's, but also could draw more power than 16 of them.
@clabretro10 ай бұрын
I had forgotten about the activity light until I used it for this video, was a nice surprise!
@agfreelance10 ай бұрын
Great video man! Have you done a video on your basement layout? I’d like to know more about your desks
@clabretro10 ай бұрын
thanks! I haven't, but I've been thinking about doing a workshop tour video eventually
@thomassvedin870110 ай бұрын
Try using the toolbar in the web interface for virtual media. I suggest you put the kvm switch closer to the server rack and use kvm extender to your workspace. No fan noise and less ports used in the patch panel.
@clabretro10 ай бұрын
Yeah the KVM extender isn't a bad idea!
@deathchopvhs10 ай бұрын
lol working at Radioshack was hilarious towards their end game times. They basically forced everyone to shove cell phone upgrades down your throat if you walked in there with or without credit.
@clabretro10 ай бұрын
I remember those days haha
@hgbugalou10 ай бұрын
If I remember right, you could cascade these with other units on the same model
@clabretro10 ай бұрын
I think so, I remember reading that in the manual
@chemmerling9 ай бұрын
They made 8 port hubs to expand each port into 8 ports. It was a time saver from my old DC management. We had 48 SIPs. Dell bought the business that made these, and branded them with their name. They stopped selling it, and spun it off to another company, Avocent.
@slightlyevolved8 ай бұрын
Other way around. Dell licensed these from Avocent and Avocent white box branded these for Dell. Not just Dell, they white boxes these for other OEs as well. Avocent was then sold off to Vertiv, where support languishes to this day.
@DanielTheRat10 ай бұрын
A new video nice
@wilsmith717310 ай бұрын
found one on e-bay for $60 ... so tempting 😀
@waterflame32110 ай бұрын
Sure you could just use the remote management... But hear me out... What if you daisy changed multiple of these lol On another note it never dawned on me to bend those back to release the fan connector... I always just use pliers 😂
@clabretro10 ай бұрын
exactly
@Ltulrich9 ай бұрын
Neat.
@casperghst4210 ай бұрын
Oh, do I remember them, silly expensive.
@simon51510 ай бұрын
Yesss!
@annihilatorg10 ай бұрын
Something just feels wrong using the KVM at the workstation and running cat5 to each server. BlackBox (and other companies) have point-to-point versions over cat5 so you can have the kvm at the rack and only one cable back to your workstation. Not as great if you want to have local machines and the remote servers both available.
@clabretro10 ай бұрын
I agree haha. I'll have to rethink it if I start managing more than a couple of them.
@AZEMBadlen10 ай бұрын
the java applet could work with modern java to javascript transpilers but I am not sure
@yjk_ch10 ай бұрын
When you were about to open the machine, I was thinking, "It is 2008, and it is an embedded device... maybe it runs PowerPC?" And sure enough, there is a PowerPC chip at 12:30 I guess it might be because ARM was too slow, and x86 was too much overkill, but idk.
@slightlyevolved8 ай бұрын
I have an Avocent DSR2035 version on this thing, and it runs a bloody PPC750 aka, G3 (500mhz, I think) for the CPU. To call this "like a PC" is an understatement. Unlike x86, the PPC 7xx series chips have been made into really good embedded CPUs. They're really fast, (we're talking head to head with Pentium 4's here) and absolutely sipped power. Even the older 500+ MHz desktop chips didn't need active cooling and used about 15w.
@gavinguy1489 ай бұрын
I’m pretty sure that the hp version was the same device. It looks so familiar but we used hp and not dell.
@clabretro9 ай бұрын
I think they all might be made by Avocent
@waterup38010 ай бұрын
cool wish i hard something like that
@ChrisJackson-js8rd10 ай бұрын
for some reason my network uses the normal 4pin header, but the pins are all in the wrong order lol quietest noctua fan upgrade ever.... til it overheated and shut down lol
@clabretro10 ай бұрын
nothing quieter than the machine being off 😂
@1993MAZDAMIATA10 ай бұрын
I would just cut a hole in the top cover and put a regular fan in the hole
@incandescentwithrage10 ай бұрын
I get it's a view back into how we had to do things back then, when almost everything was physical. You mention it's for OS installs on old, loud servers. My question is why are you doing that at all? You can play with all the old OS' as VMs on a dirt cheap, quiet T630, with HTML5 iDRAC8.. hypervisor of your choice.
@clabretro10 ай бұрын
purely as a hobby and out of curiosity. I do plenty of VM stuff but also find it fun to tinker with and get the old hardware back to life.
@zwirth10 ай бұрын
Is the screen dim to try and mitigate screen burn-in? Being VGA, they might have taken consideration that users might be using a CRT, and if the screen keeps that thing in the top right, and possibly keeping the OSCAR interface on the screen for prolonged periods of time.
@clabretro10 ай бұрын
I think that's a very good theory, totally makes sense
@stoneobscurity10 ай бұрын
i use the 1081AD model daily. it's not loud at all.
@clabretro10 ай бұрын
that one looks nice!
@stoneobscurity10 ай бұрын
@@clabretro got it for my homelab. it was $140 on ebay with 4x usb sips.
@Ardinia10 ай бұрын
Not all SIP support virtual media
@clabretro10 ай бұрын
I was wondering about that
@Ardinia10 ай бұрын
@@clabretro dell, IBM, hp, all use the same dongles, which where avocent, which is now vertiv.
@Ardinia10 ай бұрын
There are also a few variations, some are digital, and are the newer mpu. The "analogue ones are the dsr models. And they are not compatible with each other.
@markpriceful10 ай бұрын
HICKORY for the win! I wonder if the virtual media only supports CD drives and ISO images
@clabretro10 ай бұрын
that's what I'm thinking, I threw a usb fd drive on there (lol) with no luck, next up is exactly what you suggest.
@MrRoySebastian10 ай бұрын
Yes, fortunately good for controlling another Server virtual machine. But one least thing can use Windows 10, Windows 8.1, windows 8, windows 7 & Windows Vista!! with using the Dell On screen configuration activity reporting?! 🤔
@seafoodsalad33569 ай бұрын
Would the virtual media be related to maybe Fat32 format? Maybe 4Gb max on those old bad bois
@clabretro9 ай бұрын
I did try that, I'm thinking my SIP just didn't support it
@MadITGeek10 ай бұрын
it looked like you missed a checkbox for the virtual media. have to enable it I saw it on the website admin page "check this to enable virtual media" :XD
@clabretro10 ай бұрын
Gave that a shot but no luck, thinking maybe the SIP doesn't support it.
@VioletDragonsProjects3 ай бұрын
i've been wanting one of these for a while but people wanting stupid prices, Could you link me to the both pods you used ? I have a Cluster of Servers which i think would make this so handy to use. Cheers great video
@james_s6010 ай бұрын
Would the web interface not be useable from a modern system directly with some sort of open java replacement (eg iceteaweb)
@clabretro10 ай бұрын
Could be, I'd have to try. Though I'll probably just use it via the local interface the vast majority of the time.
@Fractal_3210 ай бұрын
I don’t know much about this but could the format of the USB stick be causing your issues with the virtual media?
@clabretro10 ай бұрын
Tried a few different sticks with FAT/FAT32/NTFS, no luck. I think either still something wrong with the media on that end or maybe the SIP isn't compatible.
@GrizzLeeAdams10 ай бұрын
The virtual media might need a .iso or .img file.
@DangerousPictures10 ай бұрын
are those SIPs manufacturer dependent? I already saw a few cool KVMs on ebay but they were without SIPs and on their own they sometimes more expensive than the kvm
@clabretro10 ай бұрын
I've read that they are, but I'm not sure, might depend on manufacturer. I made sure to buy SIPs that were at least described as for Dell units and all four worked. Can sometimes be cheaper to buy them in a lot. but yeah the SIPs can cut right into the cost effectiveness of the whole thing.
@JarrodCoombes9 ай бұрын
While Dell's branding is all over that thing, I am pretty sure that they did not make it. My bet is it was actually made by IBM since I have the exact same unit, but it's all IBM.
@clabretro9 ай бұрын
I think this one is from Avocent, HP may have rebranded them as well.
@harryo37119 ай бұрын
Did you make the virtual media FAT32?
@clabretro9 ай бұрын
yeah no luck. I think the SIP I have doesn't support it
@sythenelexia10 ай бұрын
I dont think those 5v fans are going to be happy being run on 12v for very long XD
@clabretro10 ай бұрын
yeah 😆
@sythenelexia10 ай бұрын
You fixed it before you murdered the coils, so I think you will be alright XD@@clabretro
@atcatpl10 ай бұрын
I have a dell PowerEdge 1950 from 2006 and I don't know what to do with it
@clabretro10 ай бұрын
I like these old Dells but they also like their electricity
@skeleton_craftGaming10 ай бұрын
Is it possible that the other power supply broke because it was being overheated?
@clabretro10 ай бұрын
didn't have any visual signs of overheating by quite possibly!
@simcapener693510 ай бұрын
I would have tape off the other fan hole.
@clabretro10 ай бұрын
very good call, I'm going to do that
@michaelfattinger1448 ай бұрын
I just got one of those from eBay after seeing your video and everything runs fine so far. The only trouble I have is getting the video session viewer running. First it told me that it's some certificate problem, so I removed everything except MD2 from the idk.jar.disabledAlgorithms from the java.security file. The error is gone now, but after the Java splash-screen is gone nothing happens. How do I figure out what browser, JRE version and so on I need to get it running? Thanks! And keep up the good videos!
@clabretro8 ай бұрын
I just double checked and I was using the web management GUI in an XP VM running Java 1.6.0_07 on IE 7... so yeah that's probably not too useful haha. Since it's an older unit my main use case is to run it with an actual monitor/mouse/keyboard hooked up to it rather than over the web GUI. But I was wondering how far it could be updated, I wonder what the last supported firmware gets things up to.
@michaelfattinger1448 ай бұрын
@@clabretro Thanks so much! Yeah, I got a Win XP VM setup now as well. And I installed Java 1.6 after trying it unsuccessfully with 1.8. I did not check what version IE was. But it works now! Thanks for your info again, I’m pretty sure it will help people in the same situation in the future! Also I just bought a Dell Avocent MPU2016, which should use HTML5 for the Remote Desktop functionality. They are not too expensive either. I think I still need to get SIPs but I’ll also try the one’s I’ve got for the 2161DS-2. I was too lazy to investigate that beforehand. Also, as far as I understand, the MPU2016 can use serial SIP’s and act kind of like a serial terminal server which can come in handy! Anyways, again thanks for your help! And keep doing those awesome videos!
@clabretro8 ай бұрын
Thanks! I've been eyeing some of the newer models that have HTML5 as well, let me know how it goes. Hopefully the SIPs work in the new one!
@michaelfattinger1448 ай бұрын
@@clabretro Hey I just got my Vertiv Avocent Dell MPU2016. It works beautifully. The HTML5 KVM sessions work fine on my Mac with Chrome. I also tried the Dell/Avocent AVO-CMN1005-012 VGA/USB SIP and it works fine. It upgraded to firmware version 1.00.01.15 once I connected it to the MPU2016 but seemed to work fine. I did not test all functionality (Virtual Media....) but video, keyboard and mouse seemed to work fine. The funny thing was, that once I connected it back to the 2161DS-2 it "upgraded" the firmware back to 1.00.01.13. But I think if I would have disabled the auto-update function it would have worked with the never version just fine.
@slightlyevolved8 ай бұрын
@@michaelfattinger144I can't be 100% sure as I have a different model, but almost all the Avocent based units like this will work fine up through Java6u45. It's Java 7 and up that changed a bunch of security settings and broke the console software. It works even under Windows 11.
@kaitlyn__L10 ай бұрын
It’s pretty funny how the video cable takes a detour into the KVM when it clearly could go right to the monitor. I get that it’s just a demo, but I hope you deliberately made that as absurd as you could.
@clabretro10 ай бұрын
it wasn't very hard to make this setup look absurd 😆
@cdoublejj9 ай бұрын
mine requires old as fuck java, i was going to fit a pi-kvm to the head and ditch the built in java stuff all together
@notathome1310 ай бұрын
Most dell hardware is a copy of or cheap clone of someone else thinking. Dell - only five chargers away from hell!
@clabretro10 ай бұрын
😅 I'm pretty sure they're all just rebranded Avocent machines.
@pepeshopping10 ай бұрын
NO! No JAVA in ANY computer I have or support. Don’t need to see the rest.
@clabretro10 ай бұрын
that's what's nice about the local interface, no need for Java
@chaseohara478110 ай бұрын
Hope you don't want to use any enterprise gear from the 1995-2015 era then, because like 95% of it uses a Java applet 😂... Although I appreciate the sentiment, I was ecstatic when they finally deprecated Java applets... Yet they still live on like software zombies hahaha
@clabretro10 ай бұрын
Java will be with us always 😆
@mowtow9010 ай бұрын
what did you expected to be? Until 2019 when Oracle pretty much killed Java with the new licence scheme, every OEM used Java for all admin tools. We at IBM and Lenovo had to ditch so much useful stuff and switch to browser based just because now the user has to pay for the licence ,not the OEM...
@alexdhall10 ай бұрын
@@chaseohara4781Yeah I can relate. Lots of servers into the 2010s used Java for remote access. I was working with a HP blade server that required Java back in 2015-2016...