Clare Farrell | Novara Media | November 2018 | Extinction Rebellion

[@EnnDeeKay]

Clare Farrell is articulate, informed, and has clearly considered and deliberated at length on the situation and the purpose and culture of Extinction Rebellion. Fantastic inspiring interview many thanks!

[@orchardyhaven]

We'll done Claire Farrell! I completely agree, this is beyond politics. Once the nation is mobilised, then it will be time for realistic policy making based on urgent and difficult actions that need to be taken. There are lots of things that we can do to save humanity, but there needs to be a massive step change before the majority are able to see the need and the way they can participate. Good luck everyone and keep up the good work Extinction Rebellion!

[@johnsaunders3364]

As some one who’s lost a lot trying to change the world I am so moved by your words. ❤️

[@robertproctor4609]

Clare Hymer while you carry on and work out the perfect political solution and message we're just going to crack on and try and prevent catastrophic climate change. At least people are starting to understand the reality of the situation now and talk about this, something that wasn't happening before, not openly anyway.

[@jonathandawson6711]

Many of us recognise the implicit destructiveness of our society, its habits and its addictions; we can be forgiven, I think, for feeling utterly helpless. This sense of ecological despair has been growing in me for some years and the stark reality that's beginning to dawn on me has highlighted this sense of desolation. This movement, Extinction Rebellion, has stepped up to confront a crisis that faces the species of humanity. Why would one even question the very real possibility that we face extinction? My admiration for them knows no bounds; they are focused, they are committed and, despite the critique offered here, they are strategic in the application of their methods to get attention. As one man said on the bridges - 'Wake Up!'. This is surely exactly what we need.

[@simonwatson9730]

Very well put, Jonathon

[@bobmathieson987]

Yes as you say Clare Farrel the problems are incredibly complex but in the words of Bill Mollison who spoke of the time lags involving Co2 Emissions and Energetic Entropy in 1988 Thirty Years ago that they would be Thirty Years for them to impact, that the solutions were and still are embarrassingly simple. He would be proud of you if he could be here again Clare Farrel thankyou for your continuing part in this historical event.

[@SenseiMalcolmAyles]

Suggesting that the rich won't have to worry is a big part of the problem, they may have a few more years that's it. However it's exactly that sort of thinking that is pushing us ever quicker down the path to catastrophe.

[@campbellbamble5138]

No where to hide, we have too many nuclear (coal/oil/gas) power stations - refineries - oil rigs and bombs that need maintenance plus god only knows what else the psychopaths have been stockpiling that will be released on societies collapse. The people we are taught are smarter then us are actually far stupider with greater mental illness then many locked in asylums

[@louisemoriarty]

In Australia the Murray Darling Basin is depilated 10 days over 45 degrees Regular dust storms This is on the rivers that water the biggest food bowl in Australia The Darling hasn't flowed for a year

[@davidlightskin7374]

Outstanding interview, Clare! Obviously not hymer, in case that needed clarity...

[@andria3a]

Hymer??

[@TheWalrusWasDanny]

It's not really about politics...the Climate doesn't care about lefty/righty..it's about the fact that we are heating up the planet and it's best not to. Danny

[@juliabarnsley5141]

Outstanding interview Clare (Farrell). I too believe that the political process has let us all down - including actions by the Labour Party. As well as the 3rd runway, there was the situation with the tree-felling in Sheffield - the (Labour) council even tried to have protestors jailed, to the amazement of the judge. This is beyond politics, which generally entails negative voting anyway. Your calmness and articulate answers send a good message about how the movement operates and the avoidance of conflict allows the subject in hand to be taken seriously. Thank you!

[@simonwatson9730]

I shifted my support from Labour to Green for the reasons you outlined. There's more "Labour" in the Green Party anyway so it doesn't feel like I'm deserting socialism.

[@curtisbattig6172]

In Canada Alberta we have the tarsands I want to start a slow moving convoy on the highway from Edmonton to Fort Mac. Renewable energy cars should be used to go as slow as the law allows. If we get arrested with out breaking any laws it would be very impact full.

[@jimwatchyyc]

Curtis Battig So what ‘have’ you done?

[@PeterBrodie]

Clare Hymer, I hope events since you partook in this discussion have shown you the effectiveness of Extinction Rebellion's approach to mass mobilisation, and that you're not quite so hung up about getting all the correct theory in place. Yes, capitalism and colonialism have exacerbated the problem to create the dire position our Planet is in now, but the root cause goes back to the dawn of civilisation. If your priority is to get all the analysis correctly in place before stepping into the process of decisive action to bring about immediate change, you're likely still to be engrossed in it while standing in stationary food queues. The beauty of ER's approach is that they're saying to save the Planet first, look at social organisation systems while you're about it, and when the indications are there that we've turned the corner existentially, use the skills and wisdom acquired from the whole experience to reorganise ourselves politically in a more equitable way than has ever been seen before, and in complete harmony with the needs of Nature and ourselves as a part of it.

[@Jason-Peters]

Well done Clare, very eloquent.

[@domitron]

I find it the greatest irony that anyone would think the rich don't worry about this stuff. No, that's not true; they worry like crazy, but it's not about the fallout of climate change per se. The rich and richest states are worried they will not be on top in the new political and economic paradigms that absolutely must take over the current ones if we want to save ourselves. I don't think people are really thinking about this closely if they think that the problem can be stopped within the framework of current economies and power structures without a MAJOR overhaul. So what are we talking about then? We are talking about changing the entire energy infrastructure of the world--that is true as often stated--but also we are talking about restructuring economics to be centered on hard-enforced resource allotments as set up by some international panel. It's not just a matter of putting up some windmills, solar cells, and lithium batteries. The solution will require a rework of agriculture, how business interacts with the Earth, how people interact with business, and, perhaps most importantly, will reduce the sovereignty of states throughout the world that will necessarily defer to the new highest goal of sustaining an inhabitable Earth! Now how do you think the top dogs like the United States will view that change? It's a threat, of course, which is why they are pretending the problem either doesn't exist or can be solved with some technofixes. I hate to sound so dire here, but the alternative is mass DEATH. Think about that - the collapse of modern civilization is at stake! Given that, it hardly matters the cost because whatever it is, it'll be less than the destruction of civilization. I fear that before the major players here (China, USA, Russia, etc.) can sit down and agree on anything, they'll have to be more death and destruction to underscore the stakes. The question, then, becomes "Will the world respond in time? " I don't know, but I don't see a viable change happening in masse in 12 years regardless, so if we really have just 12 years, we're all through. Let's hope we really have a bit more time than that.

[@WebCideR]

If we let a blue ocean event happening then we have 4 years left before we really are gone for good

[@matthewsidford5233]

Really interesting. Half hour well spent!

[@CraftingLindy]

@novaramedia perhaps you could revisit #ExtinctionRebellion. I am watching events unfold and getting to grips with the urgency of the #climatechange message during April 2019 and this topic is not going away and it affects us all equally.

[@vladimir0700]

Hymer appears to be saying that there is no problem so, why did she bother to appear on the show?

[@damonleslie3526]

Clare Hymer.. Listening to her comments and opinions make me want to bang my head against a wall!!

[@mattw9764]

The name Extinction Rebellion. It's a very clever and well-thought-out name. It covers a wide range of future trajectories as well as what's happening right at the minute, depending on which shades of meaning you attach to the words, particularly the word extinction. It also allows for a bit of constructive ambiguity. It also in bodies the precautionary principle applied to the present uncertain state of science and the uncertain state of the human future response.

[@jonnyb2532]

Clare Hymer is with Momentum/Labour. She clearly is not happy with XR and she appears to be unclear as to *why* . Her criticisms sound like rationalizations. Politics has gotten us exactly *nowhere* so far . . . what *evidence* does she have to make her *feel* that it will have *any* effect.

[@roncheesman]

There are no rich people on a dead planet

[@carolinesmyth127]

Many of the rich are buying and building safe havens (underground bunkers, islands etc)

[@emilytock2796]

Clare (Hymer) does not seem to realize that political solutions have done absolutely nothing to obviate the effects of imperialism. Insisting on a left-right divide is a typical tactic of divide and conquer. She also is clearly irritated that she is not part of an enormously successful movement. I have to say that the longer I listen to Clare (Hymer), the more it seems obvious to me that her overwhelming attitude is condescension and neo-liberal superiority. The people who are in my local XR group are not 'the same' faces - there are mums, dads, nanas, grandads, little ones, young people, etc. And she thinks the energy of XR could be beautifully co-opted by neo-liberalism, I am sure.

[@simonwatson9730]

Agree. Neo liberalism has nothing to offer. It's deadly to think it can help solve a problem it caused and continues to perpetuate.

[@peterv1436]

She is not a neo-liberal at all, she is a Momentum activist.

[@leannewilliams1927]

Extinction Rebellion have excellent, effective actions Claire Hymer could learn yes and .... Climate is an existential threat to a liveable planet. Get back to your desk Claire H and spend your skills on the front that suits your thinking. You are all needed.

[@kategoss5454]

While I agree with the principles Clare Hymer puts across, and I don't find anything disagreeable in what she says, her oppositional position here is very whataboutist- what about Labour? What about parochialism? What about banks? When actually XR is already aiding the spread of discussion about how these issues come together in our modern world. I'm not sure if she realised it, but she seemed to just be digging in her heels and criticising optics in a way that inhibits positive action.

[@Beery1962]

I'm guessing Clare Hymer has no clue that the future involves her starving to death or dying from hyperthermia at around age 55, in an England that is in a constant state of war, and that effectively has no government, no ambulance services or hospital beds, all because we took her advice and found a politically acceptable way forward, and as a result failed to address climate change. She says that we're not facing the extinction of our species and that the rich will weather the storm. This shows a failure to understand the feedback loops and the exponential change to the climate that these feedback loops put into place. I don't care how rich you are, you cannot "weather" an Earth that is 8-10 degrees warmer than it is today. The rich can put barriers in place to temporarily modify the effect that climate has on them, but at a certain point, people need a planet that can naturally sustain human life. If things keep going as they are, we won't have that. Finally, she seems to want a revolution. I do too, but we don't have time for that.

[@snaglet2284]

Beautiful people, well spoken

[@christopherdennis4280]

When you say "off of fossil feuls" ...would you elaborate. What does that world look like?

[@dewijones92]

Props to Farrell :)

[@robertcircleone]

I have plans centred on climate change reduction or prevention. Essentially we have to recognise that the problem is caused by the built environment and the solution has to be the retrofitting of insulation of buildings in the cooler parts of the world as an absolute minimum or a new built environment to replace the present built environment, in the same way that less efficient petrol and diesel cars are replaced by electric cars. The new built environment needs to feed the people with as close to zero food miles as possible and not require people to drive thousands of miles per year just to do their work. Also to not use any fossil fuels at all and be decentralised in such a way as to place the people where they need to be to plant and maintain new forests.

[@serge9098]

So tomorrow is day 1 of this brave new carbon free world, how do we live? How is it that we arrange the society? From what I can assume it would look like some kind of peasant/farmer/hunter gatherer arrangement. Am I wrong?

[@keithw8286]

At 1510 - "hinting at the idea that humans as a species might actually go extinct ". Well, yes. please keep up. And, "the rich might weather the storm" .. are you serious?

[@owlnationlegal4228]

Their demands are great; honesty and action, but their schedule misses the mark, as racing against MULTIPLE exponentially accelerating catastrophes demands a large number of an exponential rollout of solutions, and humanity can't even get into a reasonablly high linear responsr, thereby ensuring near term extinction. Lemme run thru Katrina, Sandy, Irma, Harvey, Maria, Michael, Yugo, Paradise, Napa, Houston, Phoenix, Vegas, Malibu, Miami, Virginia and we're waayyy past $2-$5 trillion and headed north. Stats on financial losses are typically low by tow orders of magnitude (100x), so its a "talking point", but only barely considering mortality is currently scheduled for 7.6B deaths in under 5 years folks, due to poor choices in politicians, political action, food, water, energy, habitat protection amd our violent rejection of either changing our habits or building required infrastructure, which costs money. Macron should double the fuel tax each month, apply it to eliminating oil and gas in just 1-2 years and set a fine example for every mayor amd governor on earth to follow to become zero e cities in 1-2 years. Plan B: Ask all you meet if they know that an ice free arctic in 2019/2020 ensures scorching temps, widespread crop losses and global famine and riots, and then extinction in under 5 years when skilled labor stops maintaining 1,600 nuclear facilities? If not, why?

[@artcassetteworld9975]

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[@Ominousheat]

Nuance tryout. Police to the left of us. Idiocracy to the right.

[@simeonbanner6204]

I think they are different crowds: the Novara tribe and the climate tribe. Perhaps the fault of Novara: it's presenters are all doing PHD's in political theory etc. They are into the outsider insider role. The "green" tribe are more emotionally driven, mystical religious (which isn't a criticism).

[@bleu2680]

XR also has academic underpinnings, but it's true that many of its agents fall into that category. Do you have any more thoughts on the spirituality of the people involved?

[@S1J9E89]

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