Dr Rupert Read - The Uncertain Situation We Are In | Extinction Rebellion

Dr Rupert Read visited Cornwall to hold an open conversation at the invitation of Manda Brookman from Cafe Disruptif / cafedisruptif on June 20th 2019.
Filmed by Senara Wilson Hodges from On the Beach Productions / onthebeachproductions
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[@i_love_rescue_animals]

"I have met the enemy and it is us." Edited to add: it is heartening to see such a great discussion with such a thoughtful group.

[@landryprichard6778]

Pogo!

[@jimviau327]

Global climate change is not the people's fault, it is the policies perpetrated for centuries that caused the situation. We are simply puppets in a world that Do Not Belong To Us. We are cattle, laboratory experiments and the experiment is over. They are closing the Lab. We are fucked. It's simple.

[@starleyshelton2245]

@@jimviau327 You get rid of reliable energy and you will be raped, not just screwed. Things you might miss are food, water, flush toilets, clothing, heat, and housing.

[@robertcircleone]

XR is rather like a general strike on a modest level. It could reach the level of a general strike if enough of us took action.

[@sandiebroomfield6245]

Thank you , Thank you, Thank you . You are reaching far deeper into the awareness o the public than you think. Internet providing ordinary people access to these types of discussion w which we just would not have otherwise . It's happening, people are hearing you and a calm intelligent response is the way forward. I'll be listen out for future talks. Again, thankyou.

[@bennyobie]

Watching this gives me the same sick feeling in my stomach as my cancer diagnosis... I was at least given a 97% chance of survival... The prognosis for the rest of humanity doesn't sound so good...

[@janklaas6885]

yeahh, humanety is finished. 😃

[@RippleDrop.]

Excellent. Thank you for spreading 🙏🏻

[@michaelkenney2857]

At least so far, not a mention of population control. It is troubling that population reduction isn't a centerpiece of the "transformational strategies for the near future. From what I understand, the "Green Revolution", which saved humanity at one stage, is now one of the drivers of the predicament we're in. I would like to know more about this and why it's being neglected as one part of the effort to deal with the issue.

[@ClintWeldon]

“Evolve or perish. Grow up or die.” - Michael Rupert

[@kathrynhayman5758]

I’m glad this “civilisation” will collapse. It deserves to......greedy, self-indulgent and indifferent to the suffering of others.

[@pooperscooper9176]

Kathryn Hayman I agree

[@epictetus9221]

The collapse itself will bring about still much more suffering though

[@waslias]

I hate this attitude just as much as you do (I suppose), but I don't understand how you can say this. Aren't you "here", too? Isn't there good people, things you love, animals, children, songs? This "civilisation" must change, and should have been better for it, for a looong time (and I said so, and nearly always was an outsider for it). But I don't think genereralizing is good. It's more complex than that, in every culture there is better and worse individuals and if you don't want to generalize other civilizations why this one?

[@johngage5391]

@@waslias - don't we have a responsibility to leave the Earth as good or better than we found it for those who will come after us? Here's how we can step up and help make the necessary changes: citizensclimatelobby.org/why-carbon-fee-and-dividend

[@Mistical1982]

But it’s going to collapse on those who played no part in making it what it is today - our children and millions of other species! They don’t deserve that.

[@infinitecuriosity9210]

We need the truth and the facts. Simple. Greta conveys this brilliantly. Do that.

[@milesclarke1614]

Grace Lee Boggs said "reimagine". It is easier for me. At 2 yrs I saw through the window a bond demolition my neighbour's home. I know conflict and vulnerability. For my first 14 yrs we had food rationing. I remember the fear of invasion and tyranny. But I remember community, our Queen's coronation and my first ice cream. I remember the joy in the small things and pleasures hard won. My great grandchildren will grow up with hope and purpose, it is the human condition. It is my children and grand children that will hurt the most, until they find purpose in the very small things.

[@ladyslipperland]

Nope. Hope is over. Courage now. Sorry.

[@vladimir0700]

WOw!--I wish that I had people like these around me. Everyone that I have spoken to on the subject in or around where I live gives no credibility to the whole climate change issue, or environmental damage, whatsoever andI get the distinct feeling that they regard me as an alarmist or crackpot for even broaching the subject

[@landryprichard6778]

Same. Ironic, isn't it, that the single biggest threat to our species is the very same one that people don't want to acknowledge.

[@rupephoto7615]

So it's great that Rupert is doing his best to get the message across of impeding extinction of all life on the Planet. What we all have to understand is the driving force for all the environmental issues we face today and in the future is due to the growth in numbers of the human species. In the space of 95years we have gone from less than 2 billion people on the planet to now more than 7.7billion people on the planet. Find out more at www.populationmatters.org

[@i_love_rescue_animals]

Right! I'm actually astonished / surprised when I see so many people having kids (still) - it's like, they currently don't see the future as I see it (bleak). It actually saddens me when I see babies and young children - I shudder thinking about their future (and maybe even mine!). 💔

[@kirstinstrand6292]

95 years is a poor example...too vast for most minds. How many babies were born during the last 20 years?

[@tombarber5371]

you can't be this stupid.....what these people want is for millions to die of children to die!

[@CRHall-ud9mq]

Late evening before last, I walked my dog to the top of a hill partially overlooking the Pennines and North West of England, including the Wirral and Cheshire as far as the Welsh mountains. While ascending, I was struck by the most unusual intermittent waves of heat that moved across the land, and through us. I felt the energy of the world forests and felled trees of recent time dissipating, and a strong sense of what is to come. People of society everywhere have no real idea of what is to come, of what the lies have done to their children let alone grandchildren, especially those who choose not yet to feel these things, but to think money, medicine, modern chemical and machine is going to save any of us is a wishful and non practical delusion; those things, actions and attitudes are what have brought us to this BRINK. I've been ignored and laughed at while warning at least everyone in my home town, since I awoke to truth that we are on the brink of no return for the past 28 years. The suffering of the many have not yet begun, but it will, while I witness with regrettable disappointment as so many continue to cause the 'ship' to sink; it will be slow and increasingly disturbing. 26/08/2019

[@garyhallford7422]

In the USA there is so much governmental resistance to change that we all must cease and desist from playing along with the overarching hypocrisy. #ExtinctionRebellion is the right approach, but I like #Greta's approach even better. We are making progress..., might not happen in time, but we are at least getting some traction...

[@grayarcana]

Non-violence is more than just s sound political expedient: it is borne of good will and spirit. Yet death may flow as a consequence, as Ghandi’s triumph led to the genocide of partition. Yet must you go forward, for there is no retreat into the past.

[@chrisnamaste3572]

46:20 The farmer's data may be correct but the net calories produced are far less per unit area of land and there is not enough land on Earth to support this "agro ecological" conversion with the current population; this approach might work for 500m but not for 8000m people. The studies have been done and they conclude that growing and feeding soy to cows generates fewer GHG than "grass fed" cows but of course is NOT carbon neutral.

[@xxwookey]

An excellent discussion, but I was very disappointed in Dr Read talking nonsense about the fire risk of spent fuel pools in civilisational collapse. It's impossible for fuel rods to catch fire after they've been in the pool for a few months. It's pretty hard to imagine circumstances in the UK where this would be a real risk of fuel having been just removed and somehow all the water getting removed from the pool, and it not being possible to top it up for a few months. Nuclear power is low-carbon, and an important part of our decarbonisation effort. Using artifical fear of ridiculously low risks to prematurely shut it down is not helpful. Even Greens should at least discuss this stuff on the basis of real science - i.e. they should 'tell the truth'. Read should know better IMHO. ansnuclearcafe.org/2014/06/10/spent-fuel-pool-fire-risk-goes-to-zero-a-few-months-after-reactor-shutdown/ I would love to join the Green Party, but every time I hear anti-science like this it pushes me away. Facts matter.

[@matthewtrow5698]

Who is going to top it up if society collapses. That is the point. "If there is a prolonged interruption of cooling due to emergency situations, the water in the spent fuel pools may boil off, possibly resulting in radioactive elements being released into the atmosphere." - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spent_fuel_pool. It usually helps to do a modicum of research before commenting. Whilst I already knew that spent fuel pools needed monitoring, I went ahead and found you a link. It took 3 minutes.

[@cncshrops]

Also Fukushima. One big wave and an advanced, intact, high tech nation has more than it can handle.

[@islandgardener158]

great ideas but we need to get boots on the ground and help other organizations already working to restore that what's has been destroyed. All talk no action will not improve the situation one bit. Harrison Fords speech is profound and he is absolutely correct.

[@glyjohn3166]

Yesterday I heard this guy casually say that we need to humanely reduce the population. 😬

[@tbd-climatechangeseries9429]

Dr Rupert i will real appreciate if you could really paint a picture of the future as a consequence of implementing XR prescriptions...i doubt if the audience in the comfortable first world universities fully grasp the dependence on underlying infrastructures (keystone Hubs as David K would call it)....food scarcity argument is too superficial and inadequate explanation to translate this exciting interest in XR today to a wholesale support for its genuine eco-centric goals....such discussions should really take place in the actual setting of a pre-industrial (or rural third world like set up) where it will be easier to absorb the enormity of the trade-off .....all said i am totally in favor of the non-violent mass dis-obedient approach initiated by XR

[@RayT70]

👍

[@vsiegel]

30 degrees? Does not say much without the unit. Farenheit? Celsius?

[@barneyboomer8737]

Celsius, the permafrost melting under the dempster highway (which connects northern Canada to the south) is caving in large sections, the houses on the coastline in tuktoyaktuc are having to be moved inland.

[@jackiepark4673]

And did u walk.

[@owlnationlegal4228]

You have months, not years let alone decades before an ice free arctic abruptly sends temperatures through the roof and 5-8 billion perish almost overnight. If 10M remain we're lucky beyond our wildest dreams. Take action and push a SANE leader into power; Mead2020 (0rg)

[@kirstinstrand6292]

You know very well that even that will be useless. I'd love to see the change, regardless.

[@owlnationlegal4228]

Well, I whisper we have less than a 1% chance but won't say 0.

[@followthemoney5756]

Who is funding this

[@PeterOzanne]

Wrong question. You might better ask: "who is funding the pollution and destruction"? If you get stuck in some head-in-sand conspiracy belief, you will never see what's actually happening before it hits your own life really hard. Good luck.

[@robertcircleone]

The built environment is not fit for purpose. It needs retrofitting or replacing or part one and part the other. Autonomous EV taxis would help, along with house and other building insulation. But really it is too spread out. Sprawl requires that everyone has to do a lot more travelling than they would in compact living arrangements. We have been getting it wrong for a long time now and we are still getting it wrong. There are an extra 83 million people on the planet year on year and they all need housing and transporting to and from all the day to day places as well as jetting off once or twice a year to more distant places. Much of this at present relies on fossil fuels that add more and more carbon to the atmosphere.

[@robertcircleone]

I should have said the autonomous taxis would be free to use to get people to use them instead of their fossil fueled cars.

[@faarsight]

What doe spiritual even mean in practice? What is the spiritual level?

[@Brian-gk2hg]

Weathe ris weather, and co2 does not change the weather 0.04% co2 is tiny

[@chrisknight9682]

Is that your best effort to face up to our problematic lifestyles? Catastrophic Climate Change is under way and further along than you realise. Weather is not climate. If all you do is look out your window or watch the local weather report you have been willingly mislead!

[@Brian-gk2hg]

Chris,,, problematic lifestyles? does anyone know what Chris means? really hope you dont want to push human flourishing back several hundred years with your draconian measures of No transport, no cheap heat, no industry no life Well i really hope you dont think the tiny amount of co2 is causing all this nonsense,, Can we have some fact from you maybe instead of just screaming about something catastrophic,, You really sound like one of these extinxtion left wing nuts,, no facts at all

[@kirstinstrand6292]

@@Brian-gk2hg Speaking of being brain dead..

[@Brian-gk2hg]

Chris,,, left wing extremist with agenda? Please give us the info on this ficticious catastrophic climate change under way? cant help laugh as anyone who has live 50-60 years on this beatufiful planet knows exactly what has happened , Bladiblabladibla catastrophic warming of the arctic ha sbeen an issue already maybe 2 times in the last 150 years, + an ice age scare ,, Reports from the ipcc said no trends from 1895 to 1990 so maybe you should speak to them and why they printed that statement?

[@gwensutheran1812]

BLAA BLAAA blaaaaaaa WHY ARE YOU PROMOTING 5G

[@ClintWeldon]

I'd like to see some more exploration of potential collapse scenarios. I think it's critical to discuss, in plain language, what systems will fail and when, as well as the tipping points preceding those failures, so that the average person can begin to see through the media smokescreen and recognize the truth of what's going on. This is of particular importance in the US, where the media works overtime to distract and deny the connections between extreme weather events and catastrophic climate change.

[@myra7273]

There is plenty of information of that type. Search KZbin and Google to find enough material to keep you busy for YEARS.

[@ladyslipperland]

Yup....& start with Ocean Acidification.

[@wendyfreeman2401]

Might find Jim Bendell's work of interest. jembendell.com/category/deep-adaptation/

[@Brian-gk2hg]

clint,,, tipping points? there is no evidence of any tipping point ,, And from what tiny 0.04% co2,, think you should tlk to any physisist,

[@kirstinstrand6292]

Paul Beckwith, an Independent Scientist reports on actual data. The comment section does not paint rosey pictures. It's the most realistic channel, found for Climate Collapse, on KZbin. It tends to be most appreciated by those who have exposure to science, mathematics, etc. He has several short presentations per week. This Extinction Rebellion channel is excellent because there is dialogue, which is very helpful for everyone.

[@Beery1962]

12:06 "carbon neutral by 2050"... which is about 60 years too late.

[@bobmathieson987]

What is alarming regarding food insecurity is the loss of soils and soil fertility which has been of great concern for decades. Added to this the insecurity of water availability whether that is too little or too much. Then Biodiversity loss of our pollinators, recyclers, regenerators etc. The biggest one though from what I see is the Massive Disconnect we have as a species with our environment. As Joni Mitchell said so long ago "We've to get ourselves back to the Garden" 1970

[@fish9468]

So why hasn't soil fertility affected our food? How is that even an issue?

[@andreaschumann231]

its interstellar but years sooner

[@kirstinstrand6292]

@@fish9468 our soil fertility and growth has been hijacked by Genetic Modification, GMO'S.

[@ettaariane]

Totally agree. Since we put cattle into factories and started spraying clouds and fields with toxic chemicals plus filling lakes, seas and rivers with plastics we started the destruction of our home planet.

[@beachcomber2008]

Permaculture for ever! RIP Bill Mollison. PS I preferred CSNY's R&R version.

[@sirierieott5882]

Excellent discussion from a beautiful part of the UK. The emotion and earnest intention from those that contributed was clear and palpable. Rock on XR, the journey has only just began...

[@greeleymiklashek6774]

The most important act of "rebellion" in service of the earth is to stop breeding the 230,000 new copies of ourselves daily.

[@ladyslipperland]

Then don't allow abortion to be banned. This would not be the case if women's rights were equal to men's from the start.

[@allgoo1964]

Greeley Miklashek says: "The most important act of "rebellion" in service of the earth is to stop breeding the 230,000 new copies of ourselves daily." == So, how many do you think would be ideal? Fewer the better?

[@owndoc]

@@allgoo1964 The Earth can sustainably bear ten million humans, even if those humans would be hunter-gatherers.

[@allgoo1964]

@@owndoc says: "The Earth can sustainably bear ten million humans, even if those humans would be hunter-gatherers.' == Who told you that?

[@rneedham667]

@@assezzen194 do you have children?

[@chrisnamaste3572]

1300 views in one day; KZbin does nothing to promote this like the vacuous garbage that gets millions of views and hence they are part of the problem. They are the musicians on the Titanic....

[@alexgordon8355]

Since this channel has just under 16.5 thousand subscribers and they upload this frequently it’s not much of a surprise that it’s viewership takes time. The promotional algorithm needs this video getting sudden increases in viewer retention that also fit any other larger trends existing at the time. The more it’s shared and linked to other sites, the more likely it will be promoted

[@tomsherman2350]

a depression needs to be set off by a small number of terrorists or a small country like north korea. those people aren't talking publically.

[@achenarmyst2156]

The musicians on the Titanic had a clear perspective on the horror that was going to happen. And they made a conscious decision what stance they would take in the face of catastrophe. It would be somewhat unfair to compare them to our average western consumers.

[@maxinemckenzie6076]

Except they're without honour.

[@umwhatthistime]

There has to be a spiritual approach to all this otherwise there will not be enough cohesion in the approach

[@ladyslipperland]

BINGO

[@Angels_Are_Real]

I breathed a sigh of relief when I read this sentiment. I wholeheartedly agree with all of my Soul and Spirit. I, too, believe that this is the missing underpinning of all that is negative, within humanity, on Earth. Wishing you eternally blessed. May your Angels guide you and guard you.

[@tadagunter8537]

I believe that Evolutionary perspective as brilliantly explained by Steve McIntosh and Carter Phipps is a spiritual view that can unite us and give us meaning and purpose. It is time for us to become responsible creators of our own evolution and caretakers of life on Earth.

[@tadagunter8537]

The Evolutionary perspective as brilliantly explained by Steve McIntosh and Carter Phipps is a spiritual worldview that could unite us.

[@bigjoeangel]

I don't know what the carbon footprint of 8 billion rotting corpses is, but that is all humanity will be doing in 2050.

[@rebel4jesus180]

What we NEED to do is start looking at Nature as Intelligent and stop trying to outsmart or better it.

[@livthedream91]

bathsheba “But I love it in spite of my better instincts”. -Werner Herzog

[@i_love_rescue_animals]

OR start looking at us as part of Nature (instead of separate from it) and if we harm Nature, we are harming ourselves - which is exactly what we're doing.

[@palomawoma]

@@i_love_rescue_animals Exactly! We think we're above nature, but the reality is it doesn't need us, we need it💚

[@richdiana3663]

We find shelter in religion to anesthetize the realization that Nature not only bats last but bats nonstop. Humans cannot deal with the fact that we are temporary and we use our consumption lifestyle to distract from the 6th Mass Extinction.

[@ladyslipperland]

@@richdiana3663 BINGO

[@JugglinJellyTake01]

The slack in the food supply is in food waste and feeding grain to farm animals. Limiting meat to two days a week in schools and the public sector in general would cut down emissions dramatically and particularly if it is tied to a public information campaign ie telling the truth on climate and diet.

[@cheryllee81]

In the near future I think meat will be very scarce because it is too water intensive to produce.

[@JugglinJellyTake01]

@@cheryllee81 Yes, very good point, and one that MPs could be reminded in terms of food security. That resonates with the need for a meat tax but also the need to ban cages and stalls as they are barriers to reducing stocking densities and conserving water, grain and energy.

[@rapauli]

Inspirational and smart. once it gets going, this becomes a wonderful conversation. Audience has thoughtful questions. Good sound quality throughout...Thank you for this...

[@karenjaynestrangward3405]

Extinction Rebellion, you should be more concerned about 5G? Extinction may be sooner than you think if EMF health concerns aren't addressed.

[@ladyfaye8248]

Please consider the 'debt- strike idea' outlined on the 'Lord Hugh R. Adumbass' channel, who has produced nearly forty videos in the 'No escape' series, covering the extreme complex nature or what we face. He offers other solutions too! I cannot recommend this person highly enough for anyone seriously realistic about our human situation.

[@tomdehen]

Thank you, Dr. Read. The biggest threat to most of us is crop failure sufficient to cause scarcity of groceries in the stores. When this occurs, will there be rationing? Will families with children get preference for ration coupons over the elderly?

[@grindupBaker]

My personal logic-based impartial opinion is that there should be preference for ration coupons for the elderly. It's because they are nicer and better looking.

[@cheryllee81]

@@jacob13299 A lot of people will be shot. Do you think people in countries that are not as hard hit are going to let millions of climate refugees in to share already depleted resources? No way!

[@jacob13299]

Cheryl Lee exactly! Now the EU is spending £80 million on drones to monitor the Mediterranean for refugees rather than helping them. And XR rebellion protestors are being prosecuted in the UK 🇬🇧 for peacefully protesting. We need to make XR a mass movement. 👍🏻

[@channelonemedia1]

take it on!

[@B_Ruphe]

Your video producer should refrain from that clever-dick stuff in the first 10 seconds of your video, as this can trigger epileptic events in a viewer (not to mention the pure irritation of it). The sudden, disruptive flipping between cuts continues for the first minute. Surely this does not still need to be pointed out at this stage?

[@harmhoeks5996]

Thanks for talking on 'food security': Smaller food, failed harvests and off-season flowering - where are these numbers? It's been on my mind a lot seeing the migration all over the world

[@harmhoeks5996]

"while effects in northern latitudes may be positive or negative" On the agriculture Wikipedia & climate change

[@Ominousheat]

@@harmhoeks5996 EH!

[@JugglinJellyTake01]

Pesticide use can be rduced by planting in guilds which would require an increase in rural jobs. Crop rotation reduces the amount of nitrogen needed in agriculture, intorducing a nitrogen budget with targets would reduce the use of nitrogen, save energy in manufacturing and reduce nitrous oxide emissions from farming. Nitrous oxide is a powerful greenhouse gas and damages the ozone layer so there are major benefits in reducing nitrogen fertiliser usage.

[@johngage5391]

All good ideas. Low or no-till also, to re-carbonized the soils (also a powerful CO2 drawdown.org action). Putting a price on climate pollution is one of the biggest things we can do: citizensclimatelobby.org/why-carbon-fee-and-dividend

[@duncanmckeown1292]

Useful discussion, I feel. Rams the point of immanent collapse home more than some others I have heard recently...but offers some interesting ideas for the ways forward at a practical level.

[@VeganTrove]

Not vegan? Not serious The study, published in the journal Science, created a huge dataset based on almost 40,000 farms in 119 countries and covering 40 food products that represent 90% of all that is eaten. It assessed the full impact of these foods, from farm to fork, on land use, climate change emissions, freshwater use and water pollution (eutrophication) and air pollution (acidification). “A vegan diet is probably the single biggest way to reduce your impact on planet Earth, not just greenhouse gases, but global acidification, eutrophication, land use and water use,” said Joseph Poore, at the University of Oxford, UK, who led the research. “It is far bigger than cutting down on your flights or buying an electric car,” he said, as these only cut greenhouse gas emissions. The new research shows that without meat and dairy consumption, global farmland use could be reduced by more than 75% - an area equivalent to the US, China, European Union and Australia combined - and still feed the world. Loss of wild areas to agriculture is the leading cause of the current mass extinction of wildlife.

[@alanstout-hq6gc]

We should have been net zero yesterday!

[@wujiom8283]

Never forget that you're not in control

[@ladyfaye8248]

You make the statement that 'life is wonderful'. many many humans do not have that perspective and would love to have the offer of voluntary euthanasia in this end of times type scenario. Also, The idea of the musicians on the titanic was very much one which appeals to many folks... Acceptance of the probable fate ahead and thus some folks providing the necessary comfort. Also,comfort for those who know the end is nigh. And, distraction for those many who are, for many possible reasons, oblivious of the coming catastrophe, or who simply don't care, thus much criminality and chaos being avoided as long as possible.

[@palomawoma]

But the Titanic was sinking and it wasn't salvageable. We have hope, but more importantly we have options, we can change this situation, we have that power. We can all save the world 🌎🌍

[@ladyslipperland]

@@palomawoma Not hope...no....courage...but not hope.

[@palomawoma]

@@bathsheba9581 Pessimism and cynicism help no one. It's about realism and action. There are many solutions to this crisis, we just need forward thinkers to enact them. Arrogance is entirely down to you Sir, we caused the mess, we can clean it up. To not even bother to help is arrogance to the extreme

[@palomawoma]

@@ladyslipperland Hope with action is essential. We have a long uphill battle and for many of us, there are days we lose faith. But hope, you can never take that away from someone, it is a very powerful emotion

[@randyrapaport2806]

It’s the devils way now. There’s no way out. You can scream, you can shout. It’s too late now-Thom Yorke

[@karunayoungs5917]

Excellent! Words and actions are coming together. Many people must be waking up as I am here in Sendai, Japan.

[@kathbates3549]

Veganism is actually essential for our climate since it halves our carbon footprint and saves ecosystems.

[@ladyslipperland]

Actually...regenerative agriculture.

[@drekpaprika]

Veganism gets them every time. Eve those people are unable to think it throu. They also want to keep their bad habits. Also: telling people that they have to stop eating meat takes away their will for life. Eating meat is esential to many peoples lives. If they cant eat meat, life is not worth living for them. Thats why almost no nature conservation movement mentions it. Sad, but true.

[@Ominousheat]

They all got sold either a city life or a chance to retire in the vales. No one was given a chance to understand reality. Kill the petrochemical companies if you want to live.

[@luisgrod0]

It’s time to write the UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF ANIMAL RIGHTS.

[@BJAvegan]

Please discuss the fact that if we cut out all fossil fuels, the earth will begin to heat up even faster due the fewer areosols put into the atmospheres. We need to go vegan. See the paper Lifestyle Carbon Dividend by Dr. Sailesh Rao and Professor Atul Jain, et al.

[@greeleymiklashek6774]

THE PROBLEM IS HUMAN OVERPOPULATION AND OVER-CONSUMPTION, not street demonstrations and the inevitable hook-ups and unwanted pregnancies!

[@myra7273]

go troll elsewhere before I report your fake account. It has no content, and is just a shell.

[@linmal2242]

you are the one in five that talks about overpopulation. Just too many homo sapiens (or stupidens!) all wanting a western lifestyle and producing offspring at a clip!

[@richardfinnigan7458]

"This civilisation is finished and what I mean by that is the the only way we are going to get through this crisis without there being some kind of collapse event is if we completely transform everything so much so that it wouldn't be recognised as this civilisation" No, practically speaking we're going to have to go with what we've got, making the best possible use of our industrial civilisation in order to remedy its deep faults and that will require a huge economic mobilisation on a global scale which is possible, we've already done that on a smaller scale during the two world wars, though obviously we've got to stop war fighting As with many eco-pessimists he totally underestimates the potential of our industrial civilisation, if it is properly managed. We only have twelve years to get major measures in place, that means a rainbow alliance on climate action and we're going to need to be very positive and constructive. "So I’ve even started doing a little ‘prepping’. E.g. I’ve bought a bullet-proof vest for my partner and I." Well I won't be buying a bullet proof vest anytime soon!

[@foppo100]

I wish he was wrong but he isn't.We are heading for a cliff edge and probably go over it.I was talking to a scientist about this ten years ago.He did scare me then.

[@singingway]

The Titanic musicians facilitated confusion, denial, and made it seem as if it were business as usual, which contributed to lifeboats being launched half full.

[@xxwookey]

Anyone know who was that Cornish farmer, and where do I buy his stuff? First farmer I've ever heard quoting his footprint numbers, and to have a net-negative farm already is brilliant. More like that please.

[@mandabrookman5607]

That's Chris Jones of Woodland Valley Farm. He knows what he's talking about! :)

[@drekpaprika]

I heard nothing about net-negativity. Its impossible to be carbon nevtral while haeving livestock...unless you dont eat meat and have the animals just for work.

[@mandabrookman3777]

@@drekpaprika if you are building organic matter in the soil, you are sequestering vast amounts of Co2. That's how you can be carbon neutral. You build the soil. Using livestock dung. It's how the carbon cycle works.

[@wandaacat]

Thanks Mandra, very few people get the big picture of this. There has been such a big push to 'go vegan' to save the world with very little verification of the impact this will have. Silvopasturing is such a beautiful way to go. We must stop feeding cattle grain - it is force feeding them junk food in a cell, it degrades the land and is a gross misuse of crops. Cattle need to eat grass - it is the most direct way to get sun (new) energy into the food cycle and into the soil.

[@drekpaprika]

@@mandabrookman3777 Sorry, but you have a severe misunderstaning of the carbon cycle. Look up what trophic levels are and how much energy is lost between them. There is a reason why predator are rare and pray is common in nature. There an not be more deer then there is grass right? I have livestock myself and there is no way that you put in the same amount of CO2 you get out. Farm animals get fed by foder from outside. Just calculate how much a cow eats per day and then calculate how big of a grassland you need. Then calculate how much calories you wuld get from the same amount of land if you would be eating the grain istead of the cow. Yizzz people! I am a biologist - I kow what I am talking about. Vegan agenda my ass. Its pure mathemathics and understanding of ecology.

[@tomdehen]

I try, whenever appropriate, to apologize to young people. We adults have acted in a way that shortened their lives. As I write this, I wonder if our behavior constituted a crime.

[@alexgordon8355]

Tom Dehen no, your behaviour does not constitute a crime. I’m 19 years old and I am confident that that we will overcome this crisis and learn from our mistake. Not condemn the actions of a previous generation but learn from there error and look to the future with a better attitude.

[@aj5ever]

Tom Dehen Honestly I’ve been resenting adults for a while about this problem... but I guess it is not helpful so I try not to let it get to me so much. Idk

[@cheryllee81]

It is criminal, IMO.

[@rebel4jesus180]

Here is a transformative adaptation you could promote: Stop mowing lawns and verges

[@chrisnamaste3572]

Permiculture them.

[@ladyslipperland]

EXACTLY

[@gabrielpena366]

Amen! Remember the words of Laozi "That, which imposes itself though force, wears out. That is, it goes against the Dao. Everything that opposes the Dao ends."

[@mrfuff2387]

Love that idea of language shift from 'unless' to 'therefore' at 1:19:00. Will suggest this in my local XR

[@perplexedprimate]

17:30 - 20:20 Yes, more thinking like this! While the window for transformative adaptation remains ajar, even if only by millimeters, let's try to push that window open wider, while working to prevent worst-case scenarios in the event of likely collapse (e.g. nuclear power plant deep adaptation).

[@DistinctiveBlend]

@silvercountry That's just fearmongering, any nuclear power plants would be shutdown before being consumed by rising water.

[@amyjones2490]

Just letting you know this farming season here in the USA had been terrible. Im not sure how this will affect world food supply cuz one cant rely on our Dept of Ag to have correct numbers.

[@cheryllee81]

I tell all my friends and family to start buying canned food, beans, rice, grains now because the mid-west is still underwater. The crop yield is going to be LOW. Learn about the native edible plants in your area.

[@bundleofperceptions1397]

The situation is not at all uncertain, as we are certainly in deep shit.

[@henrypurbrick8019]

Intensely depressed in that despite all the really good things people have done over the last thirty years since we learned we were trashing the planet, all that's happened is we've slowed the increase in annual co2 emissions globally. In truth we've not even stopped going backwards! No hope left.

[@dalemcd1408]

Never underestimate how much the general public can understand. We don’t need to dumb down our speech. We just need to be real.

[@steverandall3255]

Essentially , we cannot use carbon based resources any longer. Any mitigation strategy boils down to leaving coal, oil and even natural gas in the ground. If you don’t restrict access to these resources you will not affect the continuing growth of carbon dioxide parts per million in the atmosphere. Presently, the long term graph of carbon parts per million and the corresponding increase in global temperature , even with the enormous increase in renewable energy resources or any other forms of mitigation , has not changed whatsoever. The conclusion must be ,therefore , that the mining of use and transport of all carbon based resources must be made thoroughly illegal. There are ,however , certain situations of carbon use for which there are ,presently, no alternatives. These must necessarily be grandfathered in , for instance, flying and cement manufacture ,albeit the continued provisioning of these and things like them would need be ever more inhibited. There needs to be a rolling protocol ,so to speak. For example, a public utility fueled by coal in a certain locale would by law be replaced by the same utility fueled by renewables or nuclear power once the new sources of power were put in place. This must be accomplished very quickly,as we all know. From locale to locale this work must be done. There really is no choice. Carbon resources must be kept in the ground or we simply will not survive. They will become stranded assets, meaning the loss of trillions of dollars to those who own them. Like tobacco but much , much worse those who own these assets must finally allow that their continued use will kill us all but unlike tobacco there must be a well executed plan to essentially ban their use. There was a mistake made and perpetuated some two hundred or so years ago to base our civilization on carbon . This mistake must now be rapidly corrected.

[@shaunaburton7136]

Hopefully this message will resonate with people. If not, extreme weather will change people’s minds.

[@Kim-yr2du]

Yess!!! One more american. Down for the rebellion. I'm doing my homework and I will fight this fight. Its long past time for this country to wake tf up. I'm ready to sound the alarm!! Lets do this!

[@johngage5391]

More powerful than individual choice is our collective ability to change market rules. When we put a price on pollution nearly everyone will be motivated to make the right choices, including businesses. Charge fossil fuel producers a fee, rebate the money collected back to all households equally, and you can send a strong price signal. Carbon Fee and Dividend will reduce emissions by 50 percent in twenty years and by 90 percent in thirty: citizensclimatelobby.org/basics-carbon-fee-dividend Join Citizens' Climate Lobby, a grassroots, nonpartisan organization of over 100,000 volunteers working to create the political will to enable our elected leaders around the world to act: citizensclimatelobby.org

[@KingDenvon]

Say no to the enemy of the people.

[@passionateprogressive4445]

I found this very therapeutic in that the climate change crises are authentically addressed - not only in problem definition but some scenarios of what solutions would look like and what I can do. This is not to say that there are absolutes and that the Extinction Rebellion has the perfect solution. I do feel they are light years ahead of the political-corporate ruling class in leading the direction we need to be going. Well worth a listen.

[@andyshelly3473]

this is the most uncommon sense that i have herd in one place in a very long time , these people need global platform bigger than the main stream media . we all need to be on the same page .

[@kimweaver3323]

"Everything will be fine, If we just cut right back". Holy shit. NO. Things will never be fine again. Deal with it.

[@epictetus9221]

What does "dealing with it" look like?

[@mellonman9299]

Relax, these people are really doing nothing. Enjoy your life. He said it is too late. Don't waste your time with this cult.

[@kimweaver3323]

@paul8kangas No, there are virtually NO vaccine injured people. Myth. Paranoid thinking.

[@ladyfaye8248]

The 'basic living allowance' for all citizens needs to be intricately part of the massive change-down from this industrial world. This is one way to make folks feel safe!

[@chrisnamaste3572]

In the USA the Yang 2020 Presidential Campaign in the Democratic Party has this policy.

[@livthedream91]

Chris Namaste Yes and also Marianne Williamson.

[@ladyslipperland]

Vote for Bernie

[@touche97]

carbon is only a tiny part of change. there is habitat, and loss of water, climate is just one part of the entire change.

[@mandabrookman5607]

Yup, and it's all connected. :)

[@VeganTrove]

Not vegan? Not serious The study, published in the journal Science, created a huge dataset based on almost 40,000 farms in 119 countries and covering 40 food products that represent 90% of all that is eaten. It assessed the full impact of these foods, from farm to fork, on land use, climate change emissions, freshwater use and water pollution (eutrophication) and air pollution (acidification). “A vegan diet is probably the single biggest way to reduce your impact on planet Earth, not just greenhouse gases, but global acidification, eutrophication, land use and water use,” said Joseph Poore, at the University of Oxford, UK, who led the research. “It is far bigger than cutting down on your flights or buying an electric car,” he said, as these only cut greenhouse gas emissions. The new research shows that without meat and dairy consumption, global farmland use could be reduced by more than 75% - an area equivalent to the US, China, European Union and Australia combined - and still feed the world. Loss of wild areas to agriculture is the leading cause of the current mass extinction of wildlife.

[@wujiom8283]

We're fucked

[@proprotornut5389]

Such a great discussion. I'll forward this on to everyone I know.

[@steverandall3255]

Essentially you cannot use carbon based resources any longer. Any mitigation strategy boils down to leaving coal, oil and even natural gas in the ground. If you don’t restrict access to these resources you will not affect the continuing growth of carbon dioxide parts per million in the atmosphere. Presently, the long term graph of carbon parts per million and the corresponding increase in global temperature even with the enormous increase in renewable energy resources or any other forms of mitigation has not changed whatsoever. The conclusion must be therefore that the mining of use and transport of all carbon based resources must be made thoroughly illegal. There are however certain situations of carbon use must necessarily begrandfather

[@Mistical1982]

Steve Randall I completely agree. We need to ban fossil fuels now!! And let’s not realise this in the middle of Winter when we need central heating to survive.

[@oregonsbragia]

It's suicide.

[@amandacleaver]

therefore

[@dave0n2wheels69]

The fundamental problem? Human greed. Until we tackle that the problem will always persist.

[@ladyfaye8248]

it is a great relief to hear Rupert Speak sufficiently seriously about this current world crisis. The need for a spiritual paradigm shift is most relevant, and, specifically, that humans alter their fear of death ( put in simple terms). Please refer to my attempts to outline the necessity, insight and science-based reasoning around this alteration, on my channel.

[@myra7273]

No one needs to develop any type of "spiritual approach" in order to learn to treat the effects of all of their actions with a high degree of respect.

[@ladyslipperland]

@@myra7273 Spiritual approach. Yes. Not religious. Spiritual. The answer.

[@kathbates3549]

Things that we can all do is get solar panels, thermal and photovoltaics. I’ve has a thermal solar panel for 30;years. When I buy gifts for people instead of buying stuff I give the money that I’d spend to the woodland trust and plant or now it’s tree dedications. Join the woodland trust since they acquire a new woodland almost every week. So they are brilliant.

[@dmdmorg]

It's great to see such a diverse group of people from all strata. I'm joking you're all white and predominately middle class...

[@marcinosr]

1:05:18 - complete shift in social system ..

[@juliannazeldaclark1192]

2050 is too late.

[@radman1136]

I listened for over 11 minutes. Sounds to me like you think starting conversations is tatamount to actually doing something. There isn't time any longer. Just tell them they are all going to die soon, and to try and spend the time remaining well.

[@ladyslipperland]

Maybe you should take your own advice instead.

[@shawnnoyes4620]

Please consider reading "Why Climate Activists Will Go Nuclear-Or Go Extinct" written by Michael Shellenberger

[@claraisely9397]

Actually, it's not too late. Since 1784 the New Hampshire Constitution Bill of Rights has protected our Rights of Conscience UNALIENABLE, also Conscientious Objectors NOT COMPELLED to Bear Arms. This includes using climate as a weapon of mass destruction. Art.10 demands we defend this right, "The doctrine of nonresistance against arbitrary power and oppression is absurd, slavish and destructive of the good and happiness of mankind." These rights were preserved for this time by Quakers, Shakers and the Iroquois Confederation. NH Attorney General cannot represent less than a mob. Where is my tribe. I speak to you from the mountain of mica 🌎 peace

[@MarkHopewell]

Just keep going and speak the truth. The Noam Chomsky School of Debunking Myth and Lies is the best method to tackle misinformation and propaganda.

[@rowanandthewildthings5680]

Hi If anyone is wondering how discuss these iussues with children please join the facebook group XR education where we are developing resources for teachers that can also be used by parents. and have reading lists and ideas for games that you can play to introduce topics. Yes to modelling colaberative behaviour and building comunities to prepare out children as best as possible. XR are actively campaigning to get the national curriculum changed to relfect what is needed in the coming world. Loving the explanation of difference beween transfomative and deep adaptation.

[@ladyslipperland]

Link?

[@matthewthomas7824]

It's better to go extinct than give up living. Glad I'm American I can't imagine being scared of weather!

[@7kurisu]

@ 26:41 "audience-relative"....uuugh! stop hampering yourselves with liberalism and just call a spade a spade. you're talking about class, not "low brow", "inaccessible vocabulary" etc. if this shit is going to work you have to speak to people on their terms - you have to speak to the working class and poor, and then be damn sure you are prepared to listen

[@infinitecuriosity9210]

Why is a university setting off putting? Is it because of the classist society that the u.k. Has. Highbrow and lowbrow Isn't knowledge knowledge it doesn't have a class.

[@harmhoeks5996]

When do we start creating new civilizations in the North East of Europe?

[@mrundead6438]

With the increase in people coming in got no choice to expand and increase consumption so eventually the entire island will be leveled and full of cheap houses built solely on supply and demand demand is high at the minute getting more people quicker than they can build

[@singingway]

She asks about eliminating food waste -- that's another issue where personal action is dwarfed by the meta-level of policy and government behavior. If there was a leader who called people to rationing, shared effort, shared sacrifice, equal levels of discomfort, people would join together to accomplish what we need to have happen.