Clarifying Metroid's Planets

[@YouB3anz]

POV: Samus is a main antagonist in the Metroid universe where she is known mostly as the Destroyer of Worlds

[@draghettis6524]

Well, the Pirates knew her as the Hunter after just the Metroid NES ( not even Zero Mission ) mission, so yeah, Samus must be terrifying to most people who aren't on her side

[@linkzellda]

X-Parasite Infestation with no Cure. Zebe's destruction was Mother Brain/Space Pirates Ideas in order to take Samus out once and for all. Phazee a Sentient Planet who want to infected other Planets to become a Clone potentially wiping out all Life in the universe.

[@g.f.martianshipyards9328]

I think the pirates also call Tallon IV a rogue planet despite it orbiting a star. Could this be because it originally was before it was captured by FS-176? On that note, this might be true for all the planets in that system, since they don't share an ecliptic as is usual, which could be a hint that the Chozo purposefully "assembled" that system.

[@ThatMetroidGuy]

The Pirates describe Tallon IV as a "Wanderer-class planet" specifically, and that is believed to be thanks to its orbit, but that is all that is said about that. The hologram naturally isn't to scale or overly too accurate, much like our science books on the planets in our own solar system, so Tallon IV in reality may have a visually weird orbit when seen to scale.

[@GatorGoob]

Assuming it's not a weird language choice from Retro Studios, or some meddling from Nintendo, the use of "rogue" could also be used to imply that the solar system didn't belong to any government/entity as well -- especially because the Chozo are supposed to be largely dead as a civilization during our time with Samus.

[@jesusramirezromo2037]

They didn't call it a rogue planet, But "Wandering class" planet It's possible Tallon IV has an eccentric orbit that isn't always in it's habitable zone Could explain why Phendrona is frozen over, when it was clearly not always forzen, indicated by the frozen chozo fountains

[@ArK047]

I suppose folks who aren't deep in space fiction, specifically settings rooted in the 80s, would be confused by the Metroid setting. In terms of English language science fiction, I can only remember Firefly and BSG as recent examples of settings where multiple worlds exist in a single system and are relevant to the plot. Most other popular space fiction only spotlights one planet in each stellar system. The Metroid naming scheme for planets is also non standard: Tallon IV would be the fourth planet of the Tallon system, orbiting the star Tallon; but this isn't the case. As for the whole "nearby" or "across the galaxy" descriptions, I'm most surprised that this tripped people up. Three points can all be across the galaxy from each other if arranged roughly in a triangular shape. How I've always read it was that former Chozo space was on one frontier if Federation space, Aether was floating along another frontier a ways distant, and Phaaze was in another galaxy altogether.

[@brandonwithnell612]

i assume tallon 4 is named that way due to being inhabited by the chozo and not location, sort of saying its an extention of their reach being their fourth tallon

[@arzfan29]

As a ratchet and clank fan I'm used to the number after name naming convention for planets

[@novustalks7525]

Phaaze isn't in any galaxy

[@arzfan29]

@@novustalks7525 phaaze is in a galaxy, its stated to be outside the galaxy that they are in when they mention it, something in another galaxy is outside of the galaxy you're currently in, and the galaxy most of metroid is in contains the entirety of federation space, if people on earth say a planet is outside the galaxy they do not mean its not in any galaxies, they mean its not in the milky way galaxy

[@novustalks7525]

@@arzfan29 phaaze is literally between galaxies though. That's the whole reason that no one can reach it. Otherwise the chozo or someone else would have gone there

[@syluxdelta]

You didn't mentioned the Alambic cluster from Metroid Prime Hunter lol

[@ThatMetroidGuy]

One of the first things you're told about it is that it's in another galaxy, which is pretty easy to understand even for those not that into Metroid.

[@syluxdelta]

@@ThatMetroidGuy Didn't remember this fact, no need to be rude dude, gosh

[@TheKritken]

Also in the Alimbic Cluster we have Alinos And Arcterra

[@generalsci3831]

How do people confuse solar systems for galaxies?

[@veruticon3970]

I know I am 9 months late, but I have learned to never underestimate people's lack of knowledge in things that do not interest them. I knew a girl, stellar at math and science and in advanced classes for them, but she did not know the difference between a continent and a country.

[@EMLtheViewer]

It bothers me too. I often hear people describe the game Outer Wilds (amazing game, don’t look it up lest you get spoiled about anything) as taking place in a miniature galaxy or that you’re exploring a galaxy. While it’s _technically_ true, it’s extremely misleading because you only ever explore a small solar system. That’s a substantial difference of several orders of magnitude in terms of complexity.

[@Nyxael5845]

I figured that Zebes was spared from a Leviathan impact due to it being a harsh planet to begin with, at least on the surface level. Most of Zebes' ecosystem lies entirely underground deep within the uthric crust of the planet. The surface is constantly plagued under the effects of acid rain as well. The two known Leviathan impacts of Tallon IV and Aether make sense because they are planets with a very rich ecosystem on the surface level.

[@Phoenix_1991]

Im just guessing here so correct me if Im wrong. Im guessing that in your life you've been told that your voice sounds like Ewan McGregor so after a while you just rolled with it and that's why your intro start with the ''Hello there'' sounding the way it sounds xD. Subbed.

[@ThatMetroidGuy]

Possibly.

[@EMLtheViewer]

General Kenobi

[@ArmaBiologica35]

You notice how the hologram that shows the star system has an asteroid belt? Could that imply that K-2L was destroyed at one point?

[@ThatMetroidGuy]

K-2L itself wasn't destroyed, only the colony and its people.

[@CharlesFerraro]

I love videos like this. I’ve been subscribed for a long time now and videos like this are the reason why. In fact, my favorite video was the one going over the ships

[@caduceusAutomata]

I wish you could do a speculation video about twin tabula and the other planets in that system

[@Kiwikairii]

yaaay i was waiting for this since the fusion stream ✨

[@alexanderstilianov]

Maybe the Pirates destroyed K2-L after harvesting the resource they were after as "revenge" for Ridley getting scorched.

[@skullkid7989]

It’s too bad samus always destroys most of the planets she visits

[@applejuicejunkie316]

They self-destruct. Samus doesn't make the planets blow up.

[@pkdotts]

@@applejuicejunkie316 What about SR388 at the end of Metroid Fusion?

[@michaellane5381]

@@pkdotts the station self destructed close enough to the planet to destroy it, on another note though, Samus really needs a game in a high population area so we can have her destructive tendency curbed... Though a full "BotW" experience might be a ways off, a Sonic Adventure style would be nice.

[@syweb2]

She doesn't destroy Tallon IV, Light Aether, most of the Prime 3 worlds, or SR-388 (until her second visit).

[@skullkid7989]

@@syweb2 I said MOST of the planets and it was a joke

[@Monody512]

On the points of Metroid taking place( mostly) in the Milky Way and FS-176 being near K-2L which was itself probably not too far from Sol given the Federation's relatively low tech level at that time... The blue and purple nebula seen in the sky above Zebes on the Zero Mission title screen bears notable similarity to the real Veil Nebula located approximately 2400Ly from Sol. (Nearby in galactic terms.) I even used this nebula to recreate the ZM title sequence in Elite: Dangerous once and it lined up almost perfectly.

[@GamingWithCalvin1]

Considering the fact that the Chozo who consider Phaaze to be immeasurably far had probes in other galaxies, I like to think the Aether being across from Phaaze thing is bullshit, and Phaaze is definitely extra-galactic. Not just a nearby galaxy like the Tetra Galaxy either, it's gotta be several galaxies away.

[@jesusramirezromo2037]

Space is large, like Phaze and Arther could both be on the edge of the Galaxy, yet still incredibly apart We're at the edge of our Galaxy, wich are the emptiest parts of it, stars close to the center are very tightly packed

[@GamingWithCalvin1]

@@jesusramirezromo2037 I'm aware, but the Chozo on Elysia were looking at OTHER galaxies. Granted, NEARBY galaxies, which are smaller than some galaxies themselves, but considering how much people in the metroid universe traverse to different edges of the galaxy and sometimes different galaxies, I feel like something so far away would either have to be extragalactic, or not actually be very far away at all, since I feel like if you can travel to other galaxies in the Metroid universe, then somewhere across your galaxy wouldn't be too difficult.

[@theuncalledfor]

I think Phaaze is most likely several billion lightyears away - more than just "several galaxies". Think more like the Destiny in Stargate Universe, so far away as to be unfathomable even for many of the more advanced civilizations. That's what would make the most sense in explaining why the Chozo couldn't get there.

[@GamingWithCalvin1]

@@theuncalledfor It probably wouldn't be THAT far away, otherwise the lost chozo Satellite never would've found it it first place as it'd be too far. I'd say more so 500k-1M light years.

[@theuncalledfor]

@@GamingWithCalvin1 It would have to be in the multiple tens of millions at the very least, because that's how far galaxies are apart. The nearest major galaxy to the Milky Way is 2.5 million lightyears away (Andromeda galaxy), and apparently Chozo have done some exploring in neighbouring galaxies. There needs to be enough of a multiple to make the journey genuinely unfeasible, so I think that's still lowballing it.

[@njfox3305]

you forgot the alymbic cluster

[@maccamachine]

Great video it’s really interesting

[@nameforcomments4092]

I still hope for an explanation of Samus getting a new ship between the end of Zero Mission and the beginning of Prime 1. (Zero Mission, a major overhaul of the original Metroid, has her escape Zebes in a stolen small Space Pirate ship, and Prime 1 is set in the same solar system within a few days after the events of Zero Mission, as it’s a surprise at the beginning that Ridley has been resuscitated, Ridley is still covered in mechanical bits that are just as much there as placeholders for body parts while he gets regenerated as they are for enhancements, and the Space Pirate logs say it took a few cycles (I forget how many, but less than 5).)

[@MetroidKing790]

Why didn’t you mention the alymbic system?

[@xtreemgamer129]

what about the system from metroid prime hunters on the DS?

[@cedarmage2035]

I love how a lot of these planets are essentially in the "sticks" of the galaxy

[@Dionaea_floridensis]

Oh what a pleasant surprise to see you in my feed

[@larkyark3261]

Yoo new intro

[@novustalks7525]

Phaaze is not in the galaxy. Its on the "other side" of the universe and is outside of any galaxies. Its in intergalactic space which is why no one can reach it. You can't place co ordinates for something that's not near anything else

[@ezrafaulk3076]

I'm honestly surprised you didn't even *mention* how SR388 was orbiting a *black hole* ; I'd think that'd have some *massive* implications on it.

[@scintillam_dei]

See my slideshow video "Metroid is of the devil." I also did "Mario is of the devil." Today I work on the Zelda installment. I plan to cover Golden Sun, Lunar Legend, Pokémon and Donkey Kong too.

[@theakiwar9118]

Fun fact the ringed planet of the SR388 system can be again seen in Samus Returns. Specifically on the System Hologram in Area 7. I personally think that if Metroid takes place in the milky way that SR388 has to be near the center of the galaxy. As we only have (or currently known) supermassive black hole. Which event horizon would be visible to the naked eye from afar. Would also explain how SR388 is barren, considering the fact that it is irradiated with an enourmous amount of cosmic radiation, which we can see as arora borealis covering the skyline on SR388. The only thing that cant be explained would be its star being a G Class Star, as it needs to be billions of years old for life to have evolved on SR388, and in the center of the milky way. Most stars only live a couple million years

[@novustalks7525]

There's millions of black holes in our galaxy. Sagittarius A is just our core but there's an innumerable amount of them scattered about

[@theakiwar9118]

@@novustalks7525 I know there are but most are not large enough to be visible with the naked eye from a stable orbit. Most black holes are 20-10000 km wide. Which wouldn’t be visible at all. A Black Hole that is large enough to be visible a binary star system has to be a supermassive black hole. Thus SR388 could either be located in a dwarf galaxy, another galaxy or only in the center of the milky way. Not only that but the Black hole of SR388 has jets, which only supermassive ones have *with being visible I obviously mean the Event Horizon for scientific clarification* I mean Venus is about 10.000 km wide and its only a dot in the night sky

[@xtreemgamer129]

your theory sounds good to me, as for the problem of the star's age, i'd like to point out a theory from another comment i saw further up where someone said that the chozo may have deliberately moved planets to new stars, or taken rogue planets without a star and bound them to one... it may be possible this planet is actually much older than the star its currently orbiting.

[@thundergodgamer118]

Does anyone know if the hologram planets is in the original Metroid on the GameCube version or is that added in the remastered version only? Please let me know because I'm actually playing the GameCube version and don't remember seeing that.

[@aaronnekrin5150]

yes its there i don't remember for sure if you could scan them or not

[@xtreemgamer129]

@@aaronnekrin5150 you could in fact scan them. the hologram system was in the space pirates research base in the phendryana region and activating it was required in order to progress to the next room, as well as to collect the super missile.

[@jellyface401]

You don't have to remember the planets if they explode at the end

[@dissonanceparadiddle]

Maybe it's an Easter egg to call it wanderer since that's what you do in the game

[@applejuicejunkie316]

I wish they'd bring back Samus' gunship. Ever since Fusion she's been flying around in some knockoff. Phaaze should've been a rogue planet rather than Aether. It makes no sense how a rogue planet could harbor life unless its a moon of a rogue gas giant where it gets its "heating" and radiation shielding as well as asteroid protection.

[@ThatMetroidGuy]

It is weird how Samus is using a likely traceable ship that a corrupt faction made lmao. Not everything has to make real world, completely legitimate, and 100% sense in a video game. What's important is to give *any* explanation, and it's said that Aether produces its own planetary energy. Be it thanks to the absurdly slow rotation speed, intense magnetic fields, or whatever, it's an explanation, and it's not the only planet in Metroid that does it too; SR388 and Phaaze also make their own planetary energy.

[@triggeredcat120]

This is a dumb comment.

[@EduardoFlores-bt4fo]

@@ThatMetroidGuy Speaking about the Federation being corrupt, it is a shame that not only did that angle was quickly forgoten in Fusion, but Other M, a game with such horrible writing, was the only one that explores it. I am all for making the Federation a Star Trek Federation in an uncaring galaxy that has the Ing, the Space Pirates, the Kriken Empire (please don't forget this concept Retro Studios), Phaaze, Metroids, fascist Chozos, etc. but giving some internal conflict with some assholes that want to militarize the Federation further beyond is something I need.

[@novustalks7525]

Phaaze is a rogue planet. That's literally made obvious in prime 3

[@novustalks7525]

@@EduardoFlores-bt4fo other m had fine writing

[@EndyHawk]

But what about the monks of Grondheim?!?! *flips table*

[@voodooogaming]

Bro you sound like Obi-Wan Kenobi

[@theouterarrowhead]

I think making Zebes and Tallon IV in the same system is a mistake. The IV in Tallon IV should imply that its the 4th planet in the Tallon system, which would likely be the name of the star.

[@AriesSentient]

I think sylux is the brother of Samus

[@arzfan29]

The original american script for prime 1 was horribly mistranslated so that k2l being near zebes thing is not official

[@ThatMetroidGuy]

The American script, for a game made in America, by Americans who speak English, was mistranslated... into English?

[@arzfan29]

@@ThatMetroidGuy Metroid is a japanese game made in japan in japanese for people who speak japanese, plus the europeon script is wildly different and is more accurate to the japanese one without the plot holes, there is a reason why the wii version of prime uses the european script instead on the american one

[@ThatMetroidGuy]

Metroid was made in Japan by Nintendo themselves, yes, but the Metroid Prime games specifically were made in America by Retro Studios. And to add on, Metroid Dread was made in Spain by Mercury Steam. The plot holes in the original NA version of Prime were a result of poor planning and lack of knowing a trilogy was on the horizon, which was fixed in the later, international versions.

[@arzfan29]

@@ThatMetroidGuy the plot holes in prime don't make sense in prime 1 as a standalone game, like how the space pirates had notes on the metroid prime despite not being able to go down to where it's located and very clearly having not gone down there at any point, the metroid prime itself only got there because it was a fission metroid and could phase through the walls

[@ThatMetroidGuy]

I don't know the origins of the Metroid Prime in the original NA release as I never played it, but from what I understand, it's simply down to poor writing, which exponentially and immediately improved with Echoes.

[@bruno213]

I'm in it to win it. Let's go 10,000 subs. Any Metroid love is a sub from me.

[@linkkicksu]

Just a nit pick, but the correct term is 'Star System'. The Solar System is simply the name of the Star System we inhabit as the Sun's Latin name is 'Sol'.

[@xtreemgamer129]

could be misremembering but im like 80% pretty sure our own earth is also technically named Terra or something too...

[@Aaronisinthebuilding]

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[@marc-antoinehamelin1625]

now explain how and why planets explode when space stations crash into them...

[@syweb2]

The BSL was self-destructing, and SR-388 may have been surprisingly small. It's also possible that the whole planet wasn't destroyed, only the habitable layer.

[@jesusramirezromo2037]

Who knows what type of energy sources they use in the Metroid universe, for all we know they are harnessing Fussion power, and are basically using mini stars

[@EarnestGamer]

The same reason cars explode when they are shot in the gas tank in GTA

[@WaveOfDestiny]

Metroid universe can be like "oh this big missle i did can blow up a planet" and Samus be like "oh ok so i can use it to blow you up lol" Or be like " this smaller missle i did can blow up a country" and Samus be like "oh ok so i can use it to blow you up lol" Or be like "oh this small bomb in my hand will vaporize this city" and Samus be like "oh ok so i can use it... Oh no this time i can't :("