BEST NEW Pressure Washer For Car Washing? | AVA GO | AVA Of Norway

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@CarsWithKeav
@CarsWithKeav 2 ай бұрын
For those in the U.S. wondering about support the email for support is us.support@avaofnorway.com, You can fill out a customer service form on www.avaofnorway.com/us/en as well. Their address is Storebotn 67, 5309 Kleppestø Norway. There is a Mr. AVA as well his name is Morten Torlei who is CEO and founder. I do not however see any phone number currently on their website. They do not list were they are made on the box, but the Amazon listing states country of origin as China. So its the typical designed in this "" country, but in the end made in China. I am not affiliated with them and paid for these myself just like 95% of my videos.
@imjoshv
@imjoshv 2 ай бұрын
Nice review Keav!
@CarsWithKeav
@CarsWithKeav 2 ай бұрын
Thanks Josh!
@mikeworkman1759
@mikeworkman1759 2 ай бұрын
Excited to see the Ava Easy results vs the active 2.0
@CarsWithKeav
@CarsWithKeav 2 ай бұрын
Will be the next video. Results were about the same as the GO though. Pump just doesn’t have enough to push that flow at under 15Amps.
@mlhm5
@mlhm5 2 ай бұрын
I bought a 2.7 gpm used PW with a Kohler engine for $80. Had it for two years, cranks and performs great even the neighbors love it. Used is the way to go.
@CarsWithKeav
@CarsWithKeav 2 ай бұрын
Awesome sounds like a great machine. With gas pressure washer used is a way to go especially if you now how to maintain one. Electric pressure washers are a different story and hit or miss you have no idea the abuse that electric motor has been under. At least the gas one you can rebuild the engine.
@SiuLeung
@SiuLeung 2 ай бұрын
even without the rebuild warranty refresh kit, that 5 year warranty is extremely good.
@CarsWithKeav
@CarsWithKeav 2 ай бұрын
Agreed especially with everybody else has a 3 year or less warranty.
@ferrarista27
@ferrarista27 2 ай бұрын
Actually, if you want to use the stock Ava hose with a gun like MTM, you need a Nilfisk to M22 female quick release adapter. If someone wants to use another M22 hose-gun setup, you need a Nilfisk to M22 male adapter.
@CarsWithKeav
@CarsWithKeav 2 ай бұрын
Nilfisk are not sold in the U.S. I tried some of Those adapters for Karcher and one said Nilfisk, but it had a more square like profile on two sides and this AVA is round and it would not fit. If you got a link to one available in the U.S. that would be awesome.
@ferrarista27
@ferrarista27 2 ай бұрын
@@CarsWithKeav KZbin keeps deleting my comments if I post links. Those adapters are available on ebay or Amazon through UK vendors.
@CarsWithKeav
@CarsWithKeav 2 ай бұрын
@@ferrarista27 Can you send it to my email? Carswithkeav@gmail.com. I saw a few on eBay and they were UK sellers and it was $40 shipped which is way too cub and not worth it. Not sure how to buy on UK Amazon in the U.S. I searched Amazon for Nilfisk adapters and see none only the nit circular ones is all I see. I saw something on Aliexpress then found out there are 3 different Nilfisk adapters each with different mm measurements so no clue which one to get and I don’t order from them.
@wknddetail
@wknddetail 2 ай бұрын
​@@CarsWithKeav did you ever get that link for the adapter? I am having trouble finding it
@CarsWithKeav
@CarsWithKeav 2 ай бұрын
@@wknddetail I got to a listing on Aliexpress and found there are so many variables in choosing the right one and didn’t want to buy 5 of them to figure out the right one. It is a Nilfisk adapter, but there are at least 3 different ones. Some on eBay from European sellers and with shipping they are $40 too much to not know for sure if it’s the right one. If they bring one of their better more expensive units to the U.S. I’ll find the right one.
@indelibledotink
@indelibledotink 2 ай бұрын
Thank you, i'm a noob and this helped me out a lot. I've been binging on my fave detailers Josh, Pan, and Jeremy, as well as the DiY duo. Aloha!
@CarsWithKeav
@CarsWithKeav Ай бұрын
You’re welcome! Hope you got some great info to make an informed decision! Everybody you mention is a great source.
@1stfrompuertorico568
@1stfrompuertorico568 2 ай бұрын
Man, you have done an excellent thorough investigation of how it works 💪 💪💪👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
@CarsWithKeav
@CarsWithKeav 2 ай бұрын
Thanks. 🙏
@AutoHeadz
@AutoHeadz 2 ай бұрын
Great video! Sick pressure gauge! I was struggling to get one put together that takes the 1/4. Looks likes a really clean attachment. Well done!
@CarsWithKeav
@CarsWithKeav 2 ай бұрын
It works great. I used this tee fitting from Amazon and then just added the quick connects needed. amzn.to/3S9qwIl Pressure gauge was already male threaded 1/4.
@AutoHeadz
@AutoHeadz 2 ай бұрын
@@CarsWithKeav Amazing, thanks man! I’m glad I wasn’t the only one that broke the AVA Foam Cannon 😅
@CarsWithKeav
@CarsWithKeav 2 ай бұрын
@@AutoHeadz Bottle is solid. Manifold not so much. 🤣
@AutoHeadz
@AutoHeadz 2 ай бұрын
@@CarsWithKeav hahahahahahah!!!!!
@IamDetailedAF
@IamDetailedAF Ай бұрын
Thank you for all you do 🙏🏻
@CarsWithKeav
@CarsWithKeav Ай бұрын
You’re welcome 🙏
@ssjcajas
@ssjcajas 2 ай бұрын
As someone who doesn't currently own a pressure washer this whole set up would be great for me.
@CarsWithKeav
@CarsWithKeav 2 ай бұрын
It’s is a great system especially if you don’t want to fuss with creating your own setup.
@ZacharyPerezIsZacchuu
@ZacharyPerezIsZacchuu 2 ай бұрын
Can't wait for the higher end machines to come in! Incredible value.
@CarsWithKeav
@CarsWithKeav 2 ай бұрын
Yeah, I am wondering how well the Master P80 will do here on 110v and what amps they will need to get the performance.
@homeboi808
@homeboi808 2 ай бұрын
1:23, their Amazon listing has in small print: rated 1335 PSI & 1.7 GPM. 4:50 the orifice number is the GPM at a true 4000 PSI I believe. Hopefully they expand their US presence, as they have other models and a lot of accessories.
@CarsWithKeav
@CarsWithKeav 2 ай бұрын
They have some good ones in Europe. Wondering how they will do here with a 110v. Thanks for the info as well.
@NO_OPEC_NO_PROBLEM
@NO_OPEC_NO_PROBLEM 2 ай бұрын
Nice video Keav! Not buying anything with proprietary connectors. Thanks to you and Josh, I’m all UberFlex’d up, so this won’t replace my Active 2.0😊
@CarsWithKeav
@CarsWithKeav 2 ай бұрын
Awesome! I wouldn’t buy either even if you could find an adapter just not for me. It’s pretty cool for the mass market though. You having any issues with u reflex on the 2.0? They tend to not work well together and can have surging issues.
@ThisOldDetailingDude
@ThisOldDetailingDude 2 ай бұрын
Outstanding review! I wish this was available when I started detailing! $250 is a GREAT deal
@CarsWithKeav
@CarsWithKeav 2 ай бұрын
It is a great deal. I myself would feel caged in with the fittings though. Doesn’t allow me to be creative with my setup.
@ThisOldDetailingDude
@ThisOldDetailingDude 2 ай бұрын
@@CarsWithKeav I can’t wait to see the next review of Ava
@CarsWithKeav
@CarsWithKeav 2 ай бұрын
@@ThisOldDetailingDude I had fun filming that one editing it right now. I think I like the Ava Go better though.
@tarlyn_claddath
@tarlyn_claddath 2 ай бұрын
There certainly are adaptors that work as I just recently bought an AVA and while using the stock hose have swapped to a MJJC short gun with an adaptor and works fine. I believe its an 8mm hose tip adapter
@CarsWithKeav
@CarsWithKeav 2 ай бұрын
Do you happen to know where you got it? Are you in the U.S.? I have not seen at least on Amazon these adapters. The Karcher ones don't fit it. I see some on Aliexpress, but I don't shop there. Saw on Ebay one, but it was $40 shipped from England. Any help would be appreciated.
@tarlyn_claddath
@tarlyn_claddath 2 ай бұрын
@@CarsWithKeav that adaptor used with Nilfisk type washers ie AVA...Bosch and Black & Decker also apparently.......7.8-8mm diameter at the o-ring position
@MrSquirrelchan
@MrSquirrelchan 2 ай бұрын
Thanks you for saying that it will not connect with our hoses and guns. Almost pulled the trigger on returning my pressure washer for this.
@CarsWithKeav
@CarsWithKeav 2 ай бұрын
Some have said in the comments there are some adapters. None easily available in the U.S. though and they are quite bulky compared to say an m22 adapter.
@jezza6575
@jezza6575 Ай бұрын
I want one of the Ava V6 models!
@CarsWithKeav
@CarsWithKeav Ай бұрын
Maybe we will get them someday.
@anton8446
@anton8446 Ай бұрын
Using around 1 year Ava master p80 in combination with an active stubby gun and a mjjc pro v2 foam gun, have no any regrets. Just need to be sure in correct nozzle sizes when costuming your gear to match a machine productivity
@CarsWithKeav
@CarsWithKeav Ай бұрын
I hope one day their higher end washers will Make it to the states of course they will be nerfed by our 110v power grid. What adapter did you use to adapt the hose or does the hose for that one allow 3/8 quick connect?
@anton8446
@anton8446 Ай бұрын
@@CarsWithKeav to fit an aftermarket stubby gun I had to order 2 additional connectors: 1 - quick fitting adapter for hose (for Karcher/Lavor/Bosch type) one side and M22 14mm female from another, 2 - male M22 14mm to 3/8 CQ and you are in the game. As for Ava’s top range washers, they are pretty cool but pretty demanding for a voltage, had read a lot of negative feedback about that issue especially in UK, I’m from Ukraine and EU version seems doesn’t have this issue or I’m just lucky enough 😂. My previous 035 nozzles weren’t enough for p80 machine and it has been switching off after continuous washing (I think it was a pump overwatering) so I’ve purchased a set of 040, now is everything ok, also a stock 1.25 mjjc pro v2 nozzle wasn’t enough for machine so I did change it on 1.4 recently but haven’t testing yet
@CarsWithKeav
@CarsWithKeav Ай бұрын
@@anton8446 Thanks for the info appreciate it! Helps others in the comments tremendously.
@Outlier666
@Outlier666 5 күн бұрын
Don't be naïve about 'warranties.' Within a year, or less, something new comes, and better, is introduced to the market.
@CarsWithKeav
@CarsWithKeav 4 күн бұрын
I don’t care about warranties as I am always changing things, but many people I know will buy something and keep it forever and this 5+5 year warranty benefits them. Some don’t care about new things and are content with what they have.
@auditek1993
@auditek1993 2 ай бұрын
Looked at this and looked at the big boi washr pro, and im glad i bought the big boi. In terms of build quality and performance the big boi decimates the ava when i got to test them both. Save your hard earned dollars and cry once buy once with the big boi washr pro coming from a normal person that uses it every second weekend for 2-3 personal cars.
@CarsWithKeav
@CarsWithKeav 2 ай бұрын
Big Boi Pro is a pretty good machine for sure and I would probably pick it as well just based on numbers, but my machine is having issues like many are currently. They are having some reliability issues with some units and have fixes being worked on. All current shipment are on hold because of it. I myself can't compare these two based on cost $250 vs $700 plus the Big Boi is just a unit and a foam cannon you still have to buy a sprayer and hose and if you want the same quality you will be at closer to $900. AR and Active are great alternatives as well. Appreciate the feedback and experience will help others in the comment section. Mind me asking are you in Europe? These have only been out for a few weeks in the U.S. and the 230v version of the Big Boi would be totally different as well. I hear the AVA Master P80 is pretty good and would be a better comparison to the Big Boi.
@auditek1993
@auditek1993 2 ай бұрын
@@CarsWithKeav I can't say for having issues, mine has not missed a beat and its first few weeks I smashed it with constant use on bikes, cars, caravans and even a few trucks to make sure the weight wasn't just plecebo for quality. I also don't mind paying more for something that feels quality and not plasticky and with the weight of the machine itself I can understand why it's so expensive. Also with the hose and such, not coming as a standard I can understand as most people will have quick connect guns and hoses as its better to be universal rather than dedicated, but for what you get for the extra really I would expect it to be more expensive as the hose itself here in Australia would normally cost the extra charge plus some. I mean look at a kranzle for doing any detailing most people change out the gun and sometimes hose with never looking at the standard stuff again. I showed a friend of mine who owns a detail shop/business and he's dropping his 5 gas washers for the bigbois due to almost silent and no fumes and easily serviced because of in his words "that thing is f**king impressive for a tight little machine".
@CarsWithKeav
@CarsWithKeav 2 ай бұрын
@@auditek1993 I totally get it I am more in line with that type of setup, but there are many that don't care about all that expensive stuff and just want something like this that they can use every now and then. The upgraded setup niche is very small and most people out there have no clue. Only hardcore enthusiasts and detailers know about the better machines. Since my audience is so broad I like to show all options and let them decide. I'm jealous you have 230v there in Australia that has been the problem here getting that Pro Motor to work on our 110v systems the capacitor was just not sized correctly. They are working on it though. Thanks for the feedback really appreciate it.
@alexmorgan5760
@alexmorgan5760 15 күн бұрын
I’m from the uk and was pointed towards this over the big boi duo for cost reasons. I have a unit where I want to clean my headstones that are stored, my van from time to time and I will need a 40/50 m hose to clean outside my shop etc. will this work good with a hose that long and will an aftermarket hose work? You said you can’t use them in the video? I have my own gun from a detailer and a mjjc foam canon version 2 or 3 I can’t remember! Thanks, it’s a great review!
@CarsWithKeav
@CarsWithKeav 15 күн бұрын
In the UK you have much more options to adapt their hose or pressure washer to your own hose or gun. I think it would work great there as with the 230v power grid you have it will perform much better than it would here in the U.S. on our 110v. Look up Nilfisk adapters one of them helps adapt the AVA. It’s just not something sold here in the U.S.
@JhawkerZ
@JhawkerZ 2 ай бұрын
Great demo. What would you recommend for someone wanting a 100' hose wall mount setup? Around a 600$ budget.All in one or separate hose reel doesn't matter.
@CarsWithKeav
@CarsWithKeav 2 ай бұрын
Active 2.0 should get you in that range. Its on sale prime day for $315 right now. amzn.to/3Y69f6A Make sure it’s a wire braided hose and not an Uberflex type hose. Hose and reel will be around $300 so right in that budget and you get within 10% performance wise with all the great pressure washers.
@JhawkerZ
@JhawkerZ 2 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for the feedback.
@charlesbrasington7599
@charlesbrasington7599 24 күн бұрын
What size orifice would you use in a mjjc foam cannon for this unit a 1.1 or a 1.25
@CarsWithKeav
@CarsWithKeav 24 күн бұрын
When I run an MJJC I have always used a 1.25 as it foams so good. It would be the right size for this machine as well.
@gonefishingapodaca
@gonefishingapodaca Ай бұрын
The short adapter is sold out with no eta from Ava or Amazon. Is there another source?
@CarsWithKeav
@CarsWithKeav Ай бұрын
Dang, only AVA makes it as far as I know. I don’t know of another adapter that would work.
@haikuancheoh2418
@haikuancheoh2418 2 ай бұрын
outside of north america, in the mass non-kranzle market, and before ava, there was nilfisk, that actually innovates too, and they took a lot of market share from karcher, now in recent years there's ava, basically doing the same, just another karcher "killer" hype? but as consumer this is great news, fierce competition will only benefits us.
@CarsWithKeav
@CarsWithKeav 2 ай бұрын
It does benefit us all. I have heard some say Nilfisk and AVA use the same type connections and there might be adapters in Europe to M22 for them.
@don.hallobre8573
@don.hallobre8573 Ай бұрын
The connectors are a European standard, not proprietary. You can buy adapters easily
@CarsWithKeav
@CarsWithKeav Ай бұрын
Adapters are not easily available in the U.S. you have to go through eBay using a UK seller or try Aliexpress. It is not a standard, but is a European Nilfisk adapter, but I don’t know which one of the three types it is and not going to spend to find out. Karcher euro fittings don’t work among others I have tried through Amazon. If you know of the adapter please let us know.
@frankieups
@frankieups 2 ай бұрын
Can we use after market hose and gun?
@CarsWithKeav
@CarsWithKeav Ай бұрын
That’s a tough one if you can find the adapter. There are several sizes out there and I don’t know which one. They come form Europe so eBay is about the only place. Maybe Aliexpress as well. It’s called Nilfisk adapter. I just didn’t want to spend $120 to try and figure out which of the three possible sizes it is.
@JeepJL
@JeepJL 2 ай бұрын
They list the washer in PSI, GPM, with a hose in Feet, then the foam cannon... I’m from Canada, we’ve been metric since 1970, and we don’t use centilitres. LOL
@CarsWithKeav
@CarsWithKeav 2 ай бұрын
That’s what happens when you don’t change the product for the market it’s going to. Just the listing is for that market.
@Chris-zd2zi
@Chris-zd2zi 2 ай бұрын
This seem to be pretty good with its warranty and actually good included accessories, but the fact that it uses proprietary fittings is such turn off for me at least. If it had come with standard fitting I would have probably gone for this instead of the Active 2.0 since I mainly used it for small task in my home and washing my cars. Now I am hoping for the Active 2.0 to go for sale on prime day to buy it since everyone seems to recommend a lot. Also the fact that Active will be releasing a parts store seems be a good thing for me at least. Also waiting for you to drop test the Active foam cannon when it releases
@CarsWithKeav
@CarsWithKeav 2 ай бұрын
I have also heard Active will be selling parts for the 2.0 and are saying they will make kits to change the oil on the 2.0 as well. Just make sure not to use a Uberflex or Flexzilla type hose with the 2.0. It’s for sale on prime day 10% off amzn.to/3Y69f6A
@Chris-zd2zi
@Chris-zd2zi 2 ай бұрын
@@CarsWithKeav Dumb question, but any reason why I should not be using Uberflex or Flexzilla type of hoses?
@CarsWithKeav
@CarsWithKeav 2 ай бұрын
@@Chris-zd2zi Active recommends a wire braided hose which keeps its form better. The uberflex and flexzilla are very flexible because they are not braided which causes their inner diameter to expand when used with higher flow machines. It messes with the pressure switch causing it to surge. Some have issues and some have not it is hit and miss, but I can recreate the surge issue every time when using one of those hoses on my 2.0.
@frankieups
@frankieups 2 ай бұрын
Will this fit on your mobile cart?
@CarsWithKeav
@CarsWithKeav Ай бұрын
It should fit and the input and output is high enough to clear the sidewalls.
@aminshahim5995
@aminshahim5995 20 күн бұрын
Does it come with quick connect for garden hose ?!
@CarsWithKeav
@CarsWithKeav 19 күн бұрын
It does not just the outlet to thread a quick connect into if you have one or just the hose itself.
@Marina65829
@Marina65829 2 ай бұрын
Hey K I love your content and channel. Can you please provide the link to the flooring you used in this video and the link to the black cabinets? I’ve had a hard time locating the links. Even better if affiliate links! Thank you!
@CarsWithKeav
@CarsWithKeav 2 ай бұрын
Here is the link to the flooring it’s Swisstrax amzn.to/4cY67ha The cabinets I tagged them as products on the video. It will direct you to Wayfair or Home Depot for affiliate. Wayfair has them at a much better price. They are not cheap just like the floor, but each shelf holds 100lbs and they don’t sag.
@Marina65829
@Marina65829 2 ай бұрын
@@CarsWithKeav thanks so much Keav! I’m currently watching your garage set up vid. I was hoping you had a link to the less expensive floors you got off of Amazon. I noticed that link was no longer active. I like swisstrax but it’s too expensive for the budget that I have in mind. I wasn’t sure if I wanted to order the Vevor alternatives or the ones you used in your other video. I liked the size of the individual tiles you used in your other video and that the swisstrax edge pieces clicked right in to your system. Thanks for the quick and thorough response btw.
@CarsWithKeav
@CarsWithKeav 2 ай бұрын
@@Marina65829These are an alternative and look like the same connection loops. My problem is I am unsure if it works with the Swisstrax ramps or not. amzn.to/3S4cqIc The other ones sold out and not sure they will ever come back. Same exact dimensions as the other cheap tile and swisstrax.
@Marina65829
@Marina65829 2 ай бұрын
@@CarsWithKeav thank you! I’ll give them a shot. I was hoping it was 16x16 but it may still fit the swisstrax pieces.
@CarsWithKeav
@CarsWithKeav 2 ай бұрын
@@Marina65829 They are 16x16 if you round up which is what swisstrax does as well. Theirs are 15.7x15.7x.75. 16x16 is better for marketing. I am not sure if swisstrax tiles will connect they didn’t on my other cheap ones. Just the ramps fit if the ramps have the male connection point and connecting to the female side of the tile.
@JR007x
@JR007x 2 ай бұрын
Great review, thank you! Seems like a stellar pressure washer, but unfortunately, due to the propriety fittings, I'll have to pass.
@CarsWithKeav
@CarsWithKeav 2 ай бұрын
Yup, this is for sure for the mass market. Us enthusiasts just can’t have our creativity caged. We want to pick and choose our setup.
@FrankoDetails
@FrankoDetails 2 ай бұрын
is that an extendo pressure washer gun or are you just happy to see us? 😆🐿️💨
@TraconWizard
@TraconWizard 2 ай бұрын
"2 hands fo sure"
@CarsWithKeav
@CarsWithKeav 2 ай бұрын
Can it be both? 🤣
@CarsWithKeav
@CarsWithKeav 2 ай бұрын
Always 2 handed. 🤣
@FrankoDetails
@FrankoDetails 2 ай бұрын
@@CarsWithKeav i’ll look through your catalog of videos to see if you’ve covered it, but what can i do about the resin fishy smell coming out of my cr spotless dic20? i’m definitely googling it, but if you have any insight it would help
@CarsWithKeav
@CarsWithKeav 2 ай бұрын
@@FrankoDetails I have not had any smell. My system always stays closed up so no chance for any smell to get out if there is any. I mean in the end it’s wet plastic and if air can get to it and escape then it’s going to possibly smell. Just like a sink with no pea trap or vent the smell will come out.
@DShiley
@DShiley 2 ай бұрын
Clunky looking and proprietary connections make this a big NO! If I could use this with my accessories without adaptors it might be a different story.
@homeboi808
@homeboi808 2 ай бұрын
From another video, it seems not proprietary just European.
@CarsWithKeav
@CarsWithKeav 2 ай бұрын
Some comments say there are some adapters not easily available in the U.S. the adapters are a bit bulky from what I saw. There are like 5 different adapter types I gave up after buying two of them. Proprietary for me meaning not easily adapted.
@Reaper-Jim
@Reaper-Jim 2 ай бұрын
All I see here is a butt ugly pressure washer with junk proprietary accessories. It’s cheap, yeah … but it’s also cheap. You know? 😊😊😊
@CarsWithKeav
@CarsWithKeav 2 ай бұрын
Not really cheap at $250. It’s not for me as it’s proprietary, but it’s the best quality accessories I have seen for any pressure washer made of plastic and in this price range. Plenty of people don’t mind proprietary which is why I don’t judge things as junk just because I wouldn’t use them.
@whitegoodman7465
@whitegoodman7465 2 ай бұрын
Accessories are so oversized it looks like it belongs in the cat in the hat movie 😂
@Reaper-Jim
@Reaper-Jim 2 ай бұрын
@@CarsWithKeavI do get your point. However, what makes it junk is that it IS proprietary, no path for upgrading or modifications and there’s virtually zero support for the product. The pressure washer itself is still going to fail at some point. It’s in the design. So … junk. $250 for a half way decent hose, that’s about it. 😊😊😊
@CarsWithKeav
@CarsWithKeav 2 ай бұрын
@@Reaper-Jim Totally understand what you are saying it’s junk to you and anybody who wants to upgrade. Many others who don’t care about upgrading would think different. Not sure what you mean about no support they have a 10 year warranty and just launched in the U.S. so not many cases yet to know their support level. It is rebuildable as well for longevity. Totally respect your opinion and is valid. I look at things from all perspectives not just my little niche of modifying and upgrading.
@Reaper-Jim
@Reaper-Jim 2 ай бұрын
@@CarsWithKeav I would argue anyone spending $250 on a pressure washer isn’t buying it for the accessories. Therefore, if the accessories are junk, the unit is junk because you’re stuck with what it comes with. No support = who do you call? What’s their email? What’s their address? You’re trying awfully hard to push a product you know isn’t up to industry standards. Makes one question. 😊😊😊
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