Clasically Abby on Being Anti-choice | Analysis and my Thoughts

TW for obvious reasons: mentions of abortion and miscarriage.
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[@Dinoclops]

Abby says that people will help you through single motherhood, but we all know how conservative people treat those outside of traditional family units >.>

[@oliviablackburn3907]

Even the father of the child might say at first he will be there and then might disappear. Not all men. But definitely some. I've noticed a lot of people offer to babysit or help in some way and when the baby is born you never hear from them again. They are usually Christian too. I'm not against Christian's. I just think women need to know before getting pregnant or whatever that people aren't always honest and often disappoint.

[@oliviablackburn3907]

And like you said non traditional families or single moms are often looked down upon and not seen worthy of help.

[@stargazersappho]

That, and "so many people waiting to adopt those kids", yet its conservatives that make it so difficult for families to adopt. Gay parents? Nah, apparently having no parents and growing up in the system is better. 😒 how about the conservatives stop popping their own babies and start adopting then.

[@TheFaustianAlchemist]

It's like she doesn't know that, abortion can help with infection or stone babies

[@icravedeath.1200]

@@oliviablackburn3907 as somebody who is gay, I'm scared about people like this.

[@lilguyonhiswaytothemall]

"Human lives are not inconvenient" Ironic coming from the people against wearing a mask during a pandemic and against universal healthcare

[@zwicker5585]

Lol from a family who thinks we should tax the poor too. Also against immigrants, Islam and lots more types of people than you can imagine. I mean they don’t even believe in global warming

[@mangala666]

Believing in global warming would be inconvenient. Lol

[@Obelion_]

and not giving a shit that kids in gaza are getting bombed

[@HannerBananer28]

Also ironic coming from someone who can afford to not work OR can afford child-care…

[@gh0stpuppi333]

Oh my GOD dude you fuckin KILLED her

[@Amber-pt5oz]

If Abby genuinely sees a zygote/foetus as equal to a human being, why does she call it "it" rather than by human pronouns like they/them?

[@Eibarwoman]

Because transphobia

[@ThatWeirdFinn]

"They" hahaha hahaha just watch the previous video... That is why... 😂😂

[@bridget663]

Right?! "They/them" is grammatically incorrect according to Abby.

[@cannotfindcreativename7210]

Nonsense! Dont push the transgender life style onto this poor woman! (Jk)

[@datplaylist10]

Because it hasn't been sexed yet.

[@silverspider01]

"She's gonna say murder." "MURDER!" *disappointed, but not surprised*

[@VibingMeike]

I read that as MUH-DUH lol...

[@VibingMeike]

@@cinema8931 Holy shit dude. First of all I was making a joke. Second of all, you don't know me. You don't know my position on all of this. Third of all... Holy cow the pretension is strong with this one. Fourth of all Emma adressed your points in her video. Fifth of all... It's not as easy as you think it is. 'Some inconveniences...' Like I said pretentious. Maybe delusional or short-sighted would be words I'd add... And yes my native language is not English as you might have noticed. Have a good day/evening fellow human being.

[@ohsarcasm]

@@cinema8931 Dude, they literally addressed the points you're talking about in the video. And while I understand the last point you should have safe sex to prevent a child and so prevent abortion the same people that say abortion is bad refuse to kill the problem on its roots and just teach their children safe sex; that's a generalization though isn't it? Well its definitely not like pro-choice people don't get generalizalized all the time as evil baby killers.

[@ohsarcasm]

@@cinema8931 @cine ma Awh insulting someone to make your point seem more reasonable? That definitely always works everytime someone has done it

[@madsgrams2069]

@@cinema8931 'Creature of reason" A fetus? :)) :)) :)) Learn some science, you ignorant imbe**le!!! It doens't even have a nervous system... You are HILARIOUS!!! :))

[@oodledoodle]

"Fight for our youngest and most vulnerable" guarantee she doesn't care once these babies are actually born

[@dietwald]

Obviously. Poor people are just the worst. Right. So they should have unwanted children and suffer more and perpetuate poverty. There's no goddamn logic behind these people's opinions beyond promoting human suffering, which gets them off. They are basically sadists who don't believe in consent.

[@TheAwesomes2104]

@@dietwald that's exactly the problem, there is no logic behind it. It's all religious dogmatism and conservative conditioning. They want things that, in reality, hurt everyone and make life worse, but don't see that as the obvious outcome bc reality isn't a large consideration, they have irrational motives. If they actually wanted lower abortion rates, they would prioritize things like sex education and access to birth control. What they actually want is for reality to bend to fit their worldview, which just isn't going to happen. Even stoning women to death for seeking abortions isn't going to stop abortions, but they don't acknowledgethat bc that's how the old books say things work.

[@truckerdave8465]

No she said there are tons of resources for single mothers. Tons. Everywhere. I’m just over here living my best single mother life scraping together money to finish paying for my education and pay the bills and work.

[@dietwald]

@@truckerdave8465 ah, yes, the world-renown American social safety net. How could I have forgotten. Laughs in European

[@ohsarcasm]

@@truckerdave8465 What works for you might and will definitely not work for everyone, its statically impossible. What about those people? Do we just throw them out because they don't fit the puzzle? Exactly.

[@trashpanda3544]

My friend had an abortion a couple years ago and it was so traumatic she got PTSD. She chose to have an abortion because her boyfriend was abusive and she didn't want to bring a baby into an abusive household. She went through so much grief over the loss that her support network have to constantly remind her that what she did was ok and it was better to not bring a life into this world to suffer at that mans hands. It took a while but she finally decided to leave him and she's doing a lot better but she can't see a anti abortion ad without having a complete mental breakdown. It's so disgusting how anti abortion protesters treat people. My guess is that they saw orange is the new black and decided that's what every abortion is like.

[@greensheen8759]

There's this group that has anti abortion protests at my university every year, complete with graphic posters and the bible thumping you'd expect. It's like yes, constitutionally they're allowed to do it, but do they really not have anything better to advocate for?

[@greensheen8759]

@@cinema8931 w h a t

[@pinkwigthickassgiveemwhipl4516]

@@cinema8931 wtf

[@Moosenogger]

@@cinema8931 Did it ever occur to you that women might feel guilty and ashamed about getting an abortion because people like you stand on street corners calling them whores and murderers? Maybe you should stop sticking your nose into other people’s business and giving advice and opinions on a subject you clearly don’t understand.

[@TheQueenIsWithin]

The reason for her PTSD is because of the anti choice campaigns that are very biased telling women its murder. Hardly anyone out here wants to be a murderer so they play on that. I'm tired of the 'aftereffects of abortion are trauma and PTSD' argument. That's only because even when women DO have abortions they are STILL misinformed.

[@brinleybruening1344]

The assumptions of “pleasure” driving abortions is so disturbing. A friend of mine was an SA victim at the age of 12 and had one because she was impregnated by her attacker. A literal CHILD had to endure this and still has to endure people’s horrible statements towards her because of something that happened to her. She was a child who was traumatized by what happened, carrying that fetus to term would have broken her emotionally

[@junkabella6324]

Oh my goodness, that is horrible! I hope she is doing much better!

[@Teeuwynn]

Abby and her emotional manipulation want to cram pro-choice women into one nebulous category. I have three kids, have had two ectopic pregnancies (and would have died without surgery to end one), and several miscarriages. I can't see myself having an abortion unless there were issues with the health of the fetus, however I still FULLY support every woman's right to choose.

[@rd6203]

Ouch! Glad you made it through those traumas 💜

[@wunnell]

The fact that women who have miscarriages, which I believe is actually a majority, don't receive the same level of sympathy from people like Abby as parents who lose a child to, for instance, SIDS is proof to me that they are lying when they claim that they consider an embryo, zygote, foetus and baby to all be equivalent.

[@heatherrants5881]

I personally could not ultimately make that choice, HOWEVER when I fell pregnant in a relationship with an abusive parter, having the ABILITY to make that choice meant a LOT to me.

[@epaomirimiri]

That's such an important concept that never would have occurred to me on my own as a dude. Thanks for sharing.

[@Sophia-vk5bq]

Great point.

[@carameldare]

I'm currently pregnant with a very planned and wanted baby, however, my early nausea symptoms were so awful for a few weeks that there were moments I wondered if I could make it. It was never truly on the table for me, but it also made me feel so much better to know I had a choice.

[@octavianpopescu4776]

Why do Americans (and apparently Brits) care so much about this topic? It seems such a random, unimportant thing to spend so much energy on.

[@octavianpopescu4776]

@@TS-oz3ec In my country we made it legal after the fall of communism and pretty much forgot about the subject since 1990. This is why I find it unusual (same applies to guns). Usually, the big subjects of debate here are corruption, the economy, healthcare, education and infrastructure.

[@jillian6815]

As a happily childfree woman who decided to be sterilized, I vehemately hate these "pro-life" people. They are pro-birth, not pro-life. They care nothing for the woman who make that hard decision to have an abortion, and their reasons, which may very well be because the pregnancy is threatening their own lives. Everyone can make decisions about their own bodies and their own lives. Everyone suffers when a woman is forced to carry and then care for a child they never wanted.

[@turnipopolis]

Exactly. I'm in the same boat. One thing I can think is, safe abortion is safer than pregnancy and birth and these people want to take my right to be safe away!??! No, it enrages me thinking some stranger thinks I should suffer because they place importance on a potential person as opposed to a real person with autonomy. Baffling to me

[@ChardeeMacdennis339]

Was it hard to get the sterilization procedure? Just curious. I’ve heard so many stories of doctors making that so hard for women. Again, like we can’t make sound choices for our own bodies 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@Alyse_bell]

@@ChardeeMacdennis339 yep, going through this now. I am only 35 and getting the whole ‘you’re too young’ when I told the doctor I won’t change my mind (health reasons among others) she smirked and almost laughed 🙄 wonder what age I have to be before I will be able to decide what I want to do with my own body.

[@krankarvolund7771]

@@Alyse_bell Menopause I guess? ^^'

[@krankarvolund7771]

@@cinema8931 Oh yeah, a bunch of cells without conscience and black peoples are totally the same, you've changed my mind.... No, it's not you moron! It's a tough choice, because there will be mental and physical repercussions, even if you don't care about the foetus, the body of a pregnant woman changes, and interrupting the pregnancy will result in bad effects. Also, it's a tough choice because we, humans, have empathy and are not fully rational. And we even attach to objects, I've seen people crying over phones or cars being broken, is that because they're humans? Or because we care about non-human things too? And of course the women who practice abortion knows it could be more than a bunch of cells. That argument is not to say it's only that, it's meant to say, it's not murder right now, because it's not a living human at the time we do it. But if a woman feels bad for aborting, it's totally understandable, and she should be supported. No one force her to abort, it's just a matter of choice. And given that choice, women still choose to abort, even though there are propaganda against it, and even though some doctors are huge assholes that culpabilize them about it. That's rather telling no? Hell, even when abortion was illegal and punishable by prison, and death for the doctor practicing the abortion, women still did it, even though a lot of them died due to the operation being done with sewing needles or in unsafe chambers. You cannot stop women to abort, all you can do is support them, and make sure they survive the ordeal. THat's the pro-life stance, making sure women live.

[@brackencloud]

"imagine if your life or death was decided without your consent" you mean like what we do to people in comas, who may be brain dead? Or what happens to a mother that is denied a medically necessary abortion?

[@julzbehr6696]

Or like when we are born. No one asked me if I wanted to exist, but I do.

[@temtem8110]

The funniest thing is that every life and almost every death happens without consent. I did not consent to being born. And, unless I decide to pursue euthanasia for whatever reason, I won’t consent to dying. Some things are simply outside of our control

[@ubernerrd]

Or when we go to war? Men still have to register for the draft in the US.

[@fionatastic0.070]

@@cinema8931 That’s just straight up not true. If you haven’t made any decisions about what you want to be done with your body in the event of a coma, after a doctor has determined a prognosis to the best of their ability, it’s up to next of kin. If there’s no next of kin, it’s determined by ICU resources. A surrogate decision maker can even make the decision to not put you on dialysis in the first place in some cases and can decide to remove you from life support at any time because the assumption is that they will make the decisions you would make. Hospitals will usually try to sustain your body if they have the resources and they don’t have an advocate because they don’t want to make the decision for you or for your next of kin.

[@WishStone]

@@cinema8931 Well, let's see. I'm not a medical professional. Not sure you are. Quick google search states: "when there is no hope of recovery" - that does not mean 'practically dead'. That means, for example, you'd be handicapped SO severely, that you're no longer recognizable as the human you once were. Vegitative state, needing certain permanent medical attendance, etc. Further, you're speaking of an ideal situation: Family present. What about the volunrable, since that's a topic here. What about the homeless person who collapsed on the street and we cannot trace even their own name? What about the man found at the southern US border, who barely hung on to life when he was found and now is in hospital? What about the woman who has no relatives that could be contacted? Not all situations will be having the loving family gathered around the bedside. So, to see the whole argument, I would say @fionatastic0.0's point stands. And what you described at the end there is called a Living Will. A friend of mine holds the one over my life, because I know she will not be moved by emotions when it comes to critically review my chances. I understand you'd like your own argument to be stronger, but warping the statements to fit your narrative isn't helping. As for life and death without consent, well... I am certain there's a few folks on death row who did not CONSENT to being murdered by the state. And if you argue now that there are laws, well.... there are also laws that regulate abortions. So we'd be having the argument bite its tail again...

[@Lily-gj8jo]

banning abortion/making it illegal will not make abortion go away it will only make it more dangerous

[@ChardeeMacdennis339]

Exactly

[@madsgrams2069]

That argument doesn't work with these people. They think that if abortion was illegal, everything that would happen to the mothers that would still need this service would be perfectly deserved..even de*th... They are effin' sociopaths...

[@capitalcherry6594]

"Human lives are not inconvenient" but they're inconvenient enough to not allow people to get abortions and possibly endanger their own lives via alternatives. She might as well say "I only care about the lives of unborn children and that's it"

[@madsgrams2069]

@Beats Beats LOOL..,EXACTLY what I was talking about... Tell me, why is the well-being of a clump of cells wiht no nervous system more important, as to be put above that of a sentient, self-aware human being? Because she did..."that most heinous of acts a woman can do"...having s3x? THE HORROR!!!! :|

[@liryns]

“Imagine you not having a say in what happens to you while someone decides whether you live or die’ I wonder if she realizes that’s exactly what anti-choice people are doing to us

[@sammkidd17]

Or like, ya know, how all oppressed populations of people have been treated in America…

[@Moosenogger]

@@cinema8931 Women can’t 100% control whether a fertilized egg attaches to the uterine wall. It’s funny how pro-life people think having a child should be a consequence of daring to have sex. Are children gifts or a punishment? Which is it?

[@danalovesfamilyandlife4666]

@@cinema8931 lol no it's not a duty at all people can have safe sex and condoms and birth control can fail and also crimes against humanity is forced pregnancy so abortion is healthcare😊❤

[@Moosenogger]

@@cinema8931 Is that person going to be using your organs and living inside you for 9 months?

[@danalovesfamilyandlife4666]

@@cinema8931 no a woman has rights to her body no matter what even it's rape or a health issues any reason so u think they only have rights to their body once it's been violated by someone nope that's sick...

[@amarie5040]

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a pro life argument that wasn’t emotionally manipulative 🤷‍♀️

[@Kyman102]

I mean, emotional manipulation is all they've got.

[@jessamynroguski9649]

@@cinema8931 where is it? Can't say they have seeing as you did not provide said argument Now I'm genuinely curious to hear this pro life argument that is supposedly void of even a *hint* of emotional manipulation

[@jessamynroguski9649]

@@cinema8931 that would actually be much appreciated since, despite the absurd amount of time on my hands, i have a life to live, comics to draw, and community college courses, so i don't have the time to scour the comment section in hopes of finding it

[@jessamynroguski9649]

@@cinema8931 wow i commend you for the lack of emotional plea Now, a life should be given the chance to be born, i won't deny that, but i can't accept letting a child be born, only for them to then face extreme hardships they didn't ask for, so i try to take those things into consideration when i ask myself the question of abortion I just woke up so I'm too groggy to go too into it right now, so remind me later, yeah?

[@jessamynroguski9649]

@@cinema8931 i will however give you this: I have a fiance, and if i were to get pregnant and he died soon after, i would probably get an abortion if it were early enough, because i alone cannot raise a child, i already have too many issues to handle and he as my other half would have been my support I also couldn't bear to do adoption because that child would have been me and him and i couldn't just abandon what i have left of him (not to mention the adoption and foster care systems aren't exactly the best and i refuse to put any child of mine through such a thing) Now, if i were too far along to turn back, then yes, i would fight tooth and nail to do my best for that child, so long as the devastating depression of losing my fiance doesn't kill me first What do you think of this?

[@andresvillarreal9271]

I refuse to even talk with someone about abortion unless that person strongly supports feeding programs for all children. Lunch programs for kids at school are some of the most important programs to eliminate malnutrition in kids and should be universal, no matter if the kid is a legal resident, or a displaced victim, or an outright illegal resident. If Abby, just like her far-right friends, is against lunch programs for kids who might be illegal aliens, then she is not pro-life, and she is a hypocrite who does not deserve to be part of the conversation.

[@castielabloodwings6301]

Exactly

[@TE-ow8wk]

Clearly that babies need to pull themselves up by there bootstraps if they want to make it lol

[@krankarvolund7771]

That's why they're not pro life, they're pro forced-birth, or anti-choice. They don't care about the life of the babies after the birth, they just don't consider what it will be, and will refuse any programm that could help children, if it's against their economic views or xenophoic views. It seems that for them, abortion only happens in happy families with healthy income able to welcome a child... I don't think that's the typical portrait of a woman who will take an abortion ^^'

[@bibianaguadalupeislasherre9880]

@@krankarvolund7771 And the saddest thing, Abby had a miscarriage and she uploaded a video about it. And it looks she double down on her stance against abortion.

[@krankarvolund7771]

@@bibianaguadalupeislasherre9880 I don't really see how's that the saddest thing ^^' I mean yeah, it's sad for her, but why would it change her stance on abortion?

[@Itri_Vega]

Wonder if Abby is still as supportive once that fetus gets carried to term and, upon growing up, turns out to be trans or otherwise LGBTQ+. Considering her brother's obsession with trans people and her lack of comprehension towards singular they I think her support only covers pregnancy itself.

[@maewestslifevests33]

Hence the term “pro-birth.” Once the fetus is able to live without the umbilical cord, people like her stop caring.

[@shroud1390]

Yep. Its sad the hypocrisy. And what if they turn out to be a Muslim or Satanist. Plus afaik aborted babies go to heaven, so shouldnt she be pro abortion?

[@LaurenElizabethYT]

Or what if that fetus is carried to term, then their parents require social assistance, in order to properly feed, clothe and shelter that baby? I wouldn’t be surprised if Abby doesn’t care anymore 👀

[@shroud1390]

@@LaurenElizabethYT she would care just enough to say, “ why did you have a baby then?”

[@giraffe6801]

Even if Abby's child does grow to be bad, she will still love her child, just not love their choice. Just because Abby is against Abortions, gays, etc, doesnt mean she hates those people. People just interpret it wrong cause yall get y'alls feelings hurt cause shes against y'alls choice. Being attracted to the same gender may be something you cant really help, but physically going out and being with the same gender and laying with them is a sin and a CHOICE. A choice.

[@offtrackammy]

I was raised in a fundamental Baptist school, and Abby is exactly like the girls I went to school with. Yet on the flip side, a girl got pregnant, was forced to apologize to the church and school. When she ended up miscarrying, I remember hearing many of the adults saying it was a blessing in disguise, which seems staunchly different than the pro-life mottos. They denied her counseling and just gave her books about the consequences of “leading men astray”

[@junkabella6324]

Holy effing Grist! How evil can cultists even be?!!! I am happy you developed a mind of your own, stay strong! :)

[@jeffcull8052]

Wow that's crazy what the chruch school did

[@elorianridenow]

Holy shit....That messes you up for life. Like...completely. I'm so so sorry for that girl.

[@andreachumley2247]

That story brought tears to my eyes! I genuinely hope that girl is in a much better place now.

[@tomtomtom7200]

Totally with you on this one! @@junkabella6324

[@aliciamee3875]

I remember when I had a compromised pregnancy, and had to have an abortion to save my life. My uncle found out, and told me to my face he wished I had died instead of having an abortion.

[@castielabloodwings6301]

That’s horrible, I’m so sorry that you have been through all of that unu

[@amarie5040]

I’m so sorry you had to endure that! Please don’t internalize what other people say, your life is important and you deserve to be here!

[@Enriquez2222]

Yeah uncle Joe would be banned from all family events and any children I have would not know he existed.

[@bruceneu8588]

I am sorry for what your uncle told you. The abortion you had was to save life and the main goal was not to kill your unborn child. They would have saved your baby if they could have. It is too bad your uncle did not appreciate this fact.

[@aliciamee3875]

@@bruceneu8588 I didn't want to be pregnant to begin with, nor did I want to give birth ever or be a mother. Compromised pregnancy or not, I still would have had an abortion.

[@ThatWeirdFinn]

First baby, then infant, then child. Her argument is too flimsy to call it a fetus.

[@krankarvolund7771]

Her argument is that calling it a foetus is pro-choice abortion ^^'

[@avenvhs]

Does she know of the sheer amount of women who have actually been told “pregnancy will be hard” by doctors?!? Just looking at my current chronic conditions around my uterus, if I tried to conceive right now the pregnancy would have a 50% chance if miscarriage. It could cause me significant organ or bladder damage. It could cause a hernia for me. She says “you’ve been told that pregnancy is hard” YES- I have. Not only by the greater media, but by professionals. She is ignorant to the 10% of women who suffer from conditions like endometriosis and adenomyosis.

[@carameldare]

I'm currently going through a ~relatively~ easy, extremely wanted pregnancy and its been so hard at points that I've actually become MORE prochoice from this process. No one should have to go through this if they don't truly want it. And frankly, no child should be born in a situation where they aren't enthusiastically wanted.

[@avenvhs]

@@carameldare There are so many women out there who WANT to have children but they can’t. Their bodies just aren’t able to or would fail under the pressure of pregnancy. Abby is speaking here with such privilege that I can’t even stomach it all the way. I’m glad it is easy for you, and I’m so thankful that you’re able to do that and bring a life into this world. But we shouldn’t bargain a potential life for the life of a grown woman. We shouldn’t put a fetus over her safety and quality of life. Complications happen, and to pretend as though it isn’t as hard as people say, that’s horrific for someone like me to hear. It could be choosing between my life or my child’s life for me. And that’s the choice Abby Shapiro never has to make. She never has to worry about these things, clearly.

[@carameldare]

@@avenvhs I agree. I feel like I used to be prochoice more in theory, but now I FEEL it in my soul. I now really understand how terrifying it would be to be in a situation where i was forced to go through an unwanted pregnancy. Or worse, to have my life threatened and be told, tough shit hope the fetus survives.

[@alicine-sims8988]

Right? Like I have mild brain damage that can cause added issues for a pregnancy, I'm on medication for it to stop my seizures that can also cause pregnancy complications, and I tried the more pregnancy-friendly version of the meds but they don't work for me. I'm not considering a kid right now, but if my fiance and I decide we want to try and have a kid I don't really know how that will go. Maybe we'll just adopt a kid.

[@ZombieMuffinArmy]

Okay, so what's their plan for after the child is born? Do they support the parent(s) in any way? Free daycare? Any programs to help them make sure the child is taken care of? No? Huh. Sounds like they're pro-birth, not pro-life.

[@ChardeeMacdennis339]

Truth 💯

[@Butterflier00]

they won't even work to subsidize prenatal care...

[@KARKAT420]

Anti-choice people like Abby constantly advocate for defunding social programs like CPS and other programs meant to assist vulnerable children so no, they are most certainly not pro-life.

[@ChardeeMacdennis339]

@@cinema8931 I feel like you don’t get it 🤔

[@ChardeeMacdennis339]

@@cinema8931 the point is this: MOST people who claim to be “pro life” are also against welfare programs that are put into place to help lower income families and children. So they want every woman who gets pregnant to have that baby.... but then once the baby is born they don’t want to shell out any extra government money to actually help that woman raise that baby that they made her have. So it stands to reason that they care about the fetus when it’s in the womb and can’t actually feel anything but then once that baby is brought into the world they stop giving a shit. You’re on your own. So IMO if you really care about life like you claim to, you would also care about what happens to that life (and the VERY valid life of the mother who has to raise this life) after it enters the world. It’s absolute hypocrisy.

[@castielabloodwings6301]

Also also, here where I live it’s tradition to pierce baby girls ears days after they are born so they can use earrings, and the excuse they use to do that it’s “oh it’s just a small baby, she won’t even feel the pain” but then turn around and say “oh can’t have an abortion because they baby will feel pain and suffer” 🙄 consistency plzzz

[@castielabloodwings6301]

@@Julia-xc2lo yes, exactly! Like mutilation is just fine once a baby is born, but if it is a fetus suddenly it can feel pain, terror, think and reason

[@luna-p]

Good point

[@junkabella6324]

This is so twisted! All human beings have bodily autonomy, no matter how young they are. Genital mutilation is such an appalling thing…

[@Alyssa_M513]

Abby's argument is not rooted in science or medicine. As someone who has had an abortion, I am so offended by what she is saying.

[@lindseystein9676]

Yes, not rooted in science at all. The so called heartbeat she mentioned isn’t even a heartbeat. The heart isn’t even close to being developed at 5 or 6 weeks. The “flutter” they call the heartbeat is when a group of cells that will eventually become the “pacemaker” for the heart gains the ability to fire electrical signals. To be fair, though, a lot of people believe it’s an actual heartbeat like ours because that’s how doctors word it.

[@HannerBananer28]

Honestly same. At 24 I am still not ready to have a baby. I was even further away from being ready at 22 years old…I felt “off” and honestly thought I had like a UTI or something but turned out I was pregnant. I went to a clinic and was estimated to be around 4-5 weeks. The doctor said that it was about the size of an “English pea.” I cannot imagine any part of that being a developed body. It was not a baby at that point. I am so thankful I have a husband who was there to support me through all of that and doesn’t resent me for making the choice that I did, because he also understood how unready we were for a baby. I was on birth control and it failed me. I am saddened by the fact that my parents would (both) watch Abby’s video and agree with every single thing that she is saying. My mom attacked me publicly on Facebook for calling a fetus a “clump of cells,” so I can never tell them something or confide in them about that was traumatic to me. This whole debate is such a crock of shit

[@awilson8521]

When an egg and sperm combine (conception) and have unique DNA from the mother, and thus, is a unique living organism (a human, because it's human DNA). Not sure how you think the argument isn't rooted in science. Emma thinks that a nervous system is what it takes to be a human, but that's inadequate since the logic is: if it can't feel pain, then it's okay to terminate the human offspring/fetus. By that logic, if I kill someone and they don't feel pain, then its okay, no matter the age. Maybe you feel offended because you've had an abortion, and people are telling you that it's morally wrong?

[@ava_marie_v]

@@awilson8521 No, that's not the logic there. Do you know what part of the nervous system is? The brain. What do you need to live? The brain.

[@paballomogane1626]

You're right it's not rooted in science or medicine it's rooted in morality. The question of when human existence begins, especially in the context of abortion, is a moral one. Also idk why you'd be offended, she's making a case for her position; rebut and make a case for yours (I'm assuming you have no qualms with abortion).

[@nicolasandre9886]

"If you have good arguments, you don't need to play on people's emotions" Couldn't agree more, maybe I'm obtuse or close minded, but I rarely see reasonable arguments from the pro-life side.

[@blinkin304]

it is a side effect of taking moral absolutist stance without considering special cases that could complicate that stance, so they often have to sweep all of the problematic scenarios under the rug and hope people don't notice.

[@nicolasandre9886]

@@blinkin304 : I wonder if that's a way to avoid actually thinking about a subject that is really quite complex, as is probably always the case when dealing with morality.

[@blinkin304]

@@nicolasandre9886 at the very least in some cases it is exactly that. it is a propagandization tool just as much as any purely emotional argument. hide all of the potential complications to your stance, so that people who aren't fully aware of the debate ONLY see the nice neat packaged scenarios where your stance holds up and miss all of the problems with your stance. it is a method of using people's ignorance to get them on your side and it is often very effective. a more direct answer to your comment: it is more often a method to prevent others that you are trying to win over in a debate from thinking about the subject.

[@nicolasandre9886]

@@cinema8931 : how about cases where the pregnancy puts the woman's life at risk, wouldn't it be preferrable to offer abortion as an option at the very least to women in this type of situation?

[@nicolasandre9886]

@@cinema8931 : even if it's caused by irresponsible behavior, in case of an unwanted pregnancy, I think the interesting question is whether it's in the best interest of everyone to force the woman to go through with the pregnancy. Then it's pretty much a case by case thing, but I don't see any situation where it would be preferrable to deprive the woman of the possibility to abort. In some cases, things could probably turn out fine for everyone, but in other cases, that could be cause for a depression for the woman, or even her companion. For the child, I don't think it's the best course of action either to force a situation where he's born in an environment where the parents aren't prepared and / or willing to take care of him / her because they didn't have another option. And putting the child up for adoption is probably not the best situation either.

[@kimiyajoy3814]

The fetus is a full human being Also a second later call them "it"

[@hannerikruger7216]

It's because she doesn't believe in they/them pronouns😂

[@pumpkinofdoom]

Also later her saying 'grow into a little person' which implies it wasn't a person yet which...what is a person if not a human being, and how can it grow into a little person if it is already...a person?

[@des1993]

@@hannerikruger7216 I don’t use pronouns 🤪 🙄

[@des1993]

@@hannerikruger7216 I don’t use pronouns 🤪 🙄

[@bruceneu8588]

Sometimes babies are also called "it."

[@jculpep3]

"Anti-choice people are not trying to stop abortion. They are trying to legislate who can and cannot have an abortion. Because conservative politicians--their wives and mistresses and daughters are always going to be able to get an abortion somewhere. All criminalizing abortion will do is keep people trapped in poverty for generations. That's the goal, and if it wasn't the goal, they would spend their money on comprehensive sex education, free birth control, and free contraception." --Lindy West

[@jculpep3]

@@cinema8931 hedonism.

[@alicedeligny9240]

@@cinema8931 The states in the US where they're promoting "wait til marriage" and "abstinence only education" are the ones with higher teen pregnancy rates...and countries with legalized abortion and sex ed are the ones with the lower rates of abortion...

[@alicedeligny9240]

@@cinema8931 Jailing people for abortions doesn't itself increase abortions, of course. But it is correlated in many countries with poor sex ed (or no sex ed) and a repressive take on sexuality. Neither are particularly good at making yound people responsible and knowledgeable of what sex means. So in the end, you have a lot more women pregnant without having wanted it, who are ashamed of themselves and afraid of the consequences of having a child without the aproval of their local community - as they are unmarried, too young, and such. These girls, these women, will rush to have abortions. Lots of them will die or will be unable to have other children because these kinds of abortions aren't safe. In countries with sex ed and sex positivity - and lets admit it, in wealthy countries - these scenarios are less likely to happen for many reasons you can probably think of.

[@alicedeligny9240]

@@cinema8931 Also I was responding to your thing about "leftist sex ed bad", mostly...because ultimately, it turns out it's a better way to keep people from getting pregnant without wanting it in the first place...and thus from getting abortions.

[@alicedeligny9240]

@@cinema8931 A sex positive culture would be one that does not sneer at women who are pregnant out of wedlock, as it does not denigrate women who have casual sex. That's the part I take from it : in sex negative countries and regions, the shame of being a single mother in a place that dislike them is a weight in someone's decision to abort. Especially when being a single mother has other significant disadvantages.

[@zucchinibreath666]

It's impossible to have an adult conversation with someone who is in an abusive relationship with their imaginary friend.

[@videofan1010]

Pro choice people aren't running around telling pro life people to have abortions though... Pro life people are working really hard to remove the rights of others.

[@ChardeeMacdennis339]

EXACTLY. 💯

[@krankarvolund7771]

There's a reason it's called pro-choice, not pro-abortion ^^ Even them can't call us pro-abortion and they're dishonest as hell XD

[@nicolasandre9886]

Maybe a sketch with pro choice people harassing pregnant women getting in a church yelling them to abort their babies could help outline how silly pro-life extremists protesting outside clinics actually are.

[@junkabella6324]

@@nicolasandre9886 brilliant!

[@vulpixies3272]

I’m 20 weeks pregnant and after all this time of following her development closely, it’s made me even MORE of an advocate for abortion access. Even now, if I were to give birth to her, she would die. This form of manipulation is just mind blowing to me.

[@marijkestoll816]

I wonder how Abby feels about all the migrant babies & children we keep putting in cages. Im sure she'll have an argument for why these children don't deserve our protection.

[@safala]

People like Abby are so quick to say ‘it’s a baby’, ‘just give them up for adoption’, ‘late term abortions are still legal’, ‘it’s matter of convenience’ but so ignorantly and easily dismiss the fact that so many pregnant women have to get an abortion because going in with the pregnancy would mean that there’s a high risk of their, their baby’s or both of their life. That there are mothers who have to abort late term because their child would be still-born or die within the first few days or weeks of being born. There are parents who have to give up on their _wanted_ babies because of that, parent who have probably decorated their nursery, bought a crib and clothes and have chosen the baby’s name. Yes, there are late term abortions but so many of them are done because there is no better option than that. It’s not a matter of convenience, but absolute necessity. People like her talk about the people wanting to adopt kids when their are kids waiting to be adopted in adoption centers, when the condition of adoption centers and foster care in the US is apparently shit. Not it mention, you are not a vessel to carry kids against your will because someone else wants a kid. People like her say poverty isn’t a good enough reason, wanting a stable life before having kids isn’t a good enough reason to not want kids but don’t even acknowledge that how the lack of basic necessities may harm a child. I’m not saying ‘don’t have kids if you are poor’, but that if you don’t want to have kids when your financial life is not stable, you are not selfish. There are so many reasons to not birth/ carry a child other than ‘I want to life my life right now and a child will hinder that’ and people like Abby completely ignore that and that infuriates me. And even if your reason is ‘I don’t want a child right now because I want to life my life’, you reason is still valid.

[@pm6127]

@@cinema8931 yes.. foetus deletus.. btw Ben says he supports abortion if mother's life is in danger but pregnancy itself is a dangerous process.. which means you don't have to have the special criteria dude..

[@elorianridenow]

@@cinema8931 Let me guess...you support all branches of the military? Just wanna know about your stance on judging another life...

[@startingbark0356]

@@cinema8931 well the difference is that you can save the mother life by aborting the baby but you can also let them both die because until week 20 the baby basically cant life without support of the mother and a mother is already adult and can make more children already but the baby still has to grow up to adult hood and its not certain if its gonna make it to it so it makes sense valuaing a already born and capable of reproduction woman over a baby thats not even certain if its gonna make it to adult hood, its dark but thats just how nature works

[@lukusblack6442]

"Human life is not an inconvenience." ~trying to muffle my sarcasm~ I have the same take, that a fetus can't feel, or fear until about 20-24 weeks. But, and cue the sad music, I'm more interested in what happens to it once it's born to a mother than didn't want it, can't love it, or can't afford it, adopted, or shipped off to some orphanage, or temporary home for the next 18 years or so. The fetus isn't going to give a shit if you kill it, or if you don't love it, or want it. It's not a person without a personality. 'It doesn't get happy, it doesn't get sad, it doesn't laugh at your jokes. It just runs programs.' So, rather than a nice painless, fearless death it's never going to know is happening, pro-birthers want to roll the dice, heavily weighted towards the suffering of the child after it's born. The people who started brainwashing people like Abby don't care about the child. They don't care about the fetus. They just want more Christians to put their money in basket on Sundays. The intent is to build 'god's army'.

[@seraphimseptimus6984]

It's worth noting that Abby Shapiro is (probably Orthodox) Jewish. She's Ben Shapiro's sister.

[@Ramtrill]

A friend of mine told me that she had an abortion - it shocked me, but after a few minutes (minutes...not days even) I realized that if she had gone through with having a child it would have ruined her life, the baby's life, and probably bankrupt the guy who got her pregnant from child support. We need to pay attention to those who are already alive in this world instead of focusing so much on who "could" exist.

[@catbuthuman]

My thing with pro life is I agreed with it (with some exceptions) until I realized that banning abortions wouldn’t stop them just stop safe ones from happening. If they’re going to happen, I’d rather it be safe for the person who is making the already tough decision to have an abortion. Abby needs to open her eyes.

[@catbuthuman]

@@cinema8931 I’m literally nobody to you. My ideology that women getting abortions in a clinic is safer than using a coat hanger or poisoning themselves should not affect your life whatsoever. I understand the pro life argument, as I held those views for a long time. I’m very lucky to have not been aborted by my parents. I just don’t like to judge women on that sort of thing because there are multiple reasons a woman might have a pregnancy terminated and it can come down to life and death for the mother in some cases.

[@catbuthuman]

@@cinema8931 in an unplanned pregnancy from a consensual unprotected sexual encounter, I don’t agree with abortion under those terms. Especially as I am on a chapter in a course at university that discusses fetal development. I know preventative contraception is not 100% accurate but it’s better than nothing. I also think the government finding a middle ground between pro life and pro choice would be beneficial. Although at the same time, as a woman, I can see why women would feel like they’re having their rights taken away. Maybe if planned parenthood sorta rebranded in a way that promotes their other services such as preventative birth control. A lot of people don’t realize they do more than abortions and I feel like promoting their other services could help. Or maybe scientists should do more research in what men can do on their end to prevent pregnancy and the responsibility shouldn’t fall solely on women…The abortion issue is such a tough one I can’t say that I’m pro life or pro choice because context is so important in each case.

[@catbuthuman]

Like I mentioned it’s a tough situation that’s hard to understand if you haven’t been there, and I haven’t so I’m not really qualified to speak on the issue but I hope people are able to find some sort of middle ground or something. (Hopefully one day the issue will be solved and the people who solve it are better spoken than I am.)

[@catbuthuman]

@@cinema8931 I’m asexual so I have no interest in intercourse. I do know some very sexually active people who abstinence would not fly with but they tend to use multiple forms of protection. None of them live in the US and they had decent sex ed. If sexual education was improved, I feel like the rates of abortions and unplanned pregnancies would drop.

[@Chris-ef7gs]

Excellent logical comeback to this strange woman’s attempt at emotional manipulation👏👏👏 It is my personal opinion, that anyone who wants to stand up and espouse these sorts of views, should be required to adopt & care for an ACTUAL child who is a live human and in need of a loving home and care. Interesting how their morality stance stops there🧐

[@hannerikruger7216]

They should not only do that but pay for the pregnancy of the mothers.

[@Katm0m]

I’m sitting here screaming at Abby and then you say EXACTLY what is going through my mind. Thank you for having a logical and rational mindset and I deeply appreciate your eloquence 💜

[@diarahaas7472]

Abby is so condescending and her arguments read very privileged and classist to me. Also her staring and eyebrow raising make me so uncomfortable next to this. It's like she's trying to steal my soul. Great video Emma

[@spacedragon2853]

Love how anti choice people think that pro choice people specifically want to get abortions like it’s something on a bucket list or something, instead of a medical procedure

[@katieelisabeth6036]

Why can’t people like Abby just stop caring so much what other people do. You can be pro choice and personally choose not to get abortions unless necessary, whilst respecting other people’s rights, individual beliefs and autonomy. I just hate how people think they can impose their subjective beliefs onto literally everyone, it just feels self righteous and invasive.

[@videofan1010]

Right. Like people who are pro choice are not advocating that pregnant people be forced to have abortions.

[@2031976vikrant]

@@videofan1010 they aren’t actually. It’s an option. It’s literally in the word choice.

[@madsgrams2069]

Because they're sociopathic weird0es that get off on controlling other people's lives....that's CONSERVATIVE IDEOLOGY IN A NUTSHELL!!!

[@trashpanda3544]

It's because they think its murder. "Murder is bad therefore abortion is bad."

[@madsgrams2069]

@@trashpanda3544 They are im**ciles. It cannot be murder, as it's not a person.

[@hannerikruger7216]

I'm Christian and I can't imagine going through an abortion personally. I very much believe that a baby is a miracle from God and I don't think I could see a baby in my belly as anything else🤷🏻‍♀️ but omfg I absolutely support the access to safe abortions?! How could anyone be against it😂 I also very much understand that not everyone is religious? And that's fine? Also omfg there are sooooo many reasons to have an abortion? For soooo many health reasons and mental health reasons especially when the pregnancy was caused by something terrible like r**e?

[@greenbeanb]

this is exactly the point. if you are not comfortable with abortions don't get one. nobody is telling you to abort your pregnancy. just don't tell others what to do with their bodies.

[@humblesaltminer2463]

Cognitive dissonance. Doesn't it say in the Bible that if a man rapes a woman he has to marry her?

[@ifartmagic]

All of the yes right here

[@ChardeeMacdennis339]

@@humblesaltminer2463 the OP was making a great and open minded point while not trying to force their religious beliefs on anyone else. No need to shit all over it lol.

[@humblesaltminer2463]

@@ChardeeMacdennis339 Is she really Christian though? Saying "omfg" taking the lord's name in vain, using fetus and baby interchangeably, and yet still being fine with abortions? I'm sorry, I just can't take her seriously.

[@jfalk6500]

HEY EMMA LOVE THE VID I HOPE YOU GET FREEDOM FROM ABBY SOON SO THAT YOU CAN REST yelling aside, i like your argument because it considers the human suffering of the mother - personally i go with the parasite approach: "the fetus cannot live alone; it requires the pregnant person's sustenance to survive and develop further; everyone has a right to remove unwanted parasites" because this also frees me from people who try to talk about a slippery slope of people getting "serial abortions" or whatever

[@hannerikruger7216]

Babies are parasites objectively😂 and therefore can VERY MUCH be an inconvenience

[@junkabella6324]

Yes, foetuses are essentially parasites - dangerously efficient ones at that! (They can literally eat some of your bones away!)

[@starilvara]

Evidently it's more lucrative to play to the Conservative Christian crowd than to actually give a stuff about Jewish law or values.

[@starilvara]

Also 'I would never do it, but I respect other people's right to have an abortion' is fully pro-choice, it's just knowing (or at least believing you know) what choice you would make, regardless of the situation. Hell, even 'I would never do it, I would think poorly of someone who did it, but I still think they should be able to' is fully pro-choice, really. The key is in the wanting people to be able to do what they want or need to do, even if you'd judge them for it, it's still pro-choice. (Though sadly I don't think many people seem to be able to understand that 'I would judge them for it' doesn't have to mean 'therefore they shouldn't be allowed.')

[@MC-tl5bf]

yep! judaism supports choice

[@sophiakoshetz8521]

I'm pro-choice cause I don't wanna go to jail because of damn miscarriage. At very minimum.

[@sarahleblanc2462]

As a former Catholic, as soon as you mentioned reducing suffering, my first reaction was that Catholics don't care about suffering. They often site suffering as a moral good - an indication of doing the right thing. I can "offer up my suffering" for be benefit of others. Reducing suffering isn't a huge motivator for the highly religious. It wasn't until I left Catholicism that I could see how much damage these kids of view points held. Looking back I realize how much of a fog I was in. I couldn't really hear or consider these points of view.

[@darthvaderreviews6926]

As an addition to the idea that abortion is a rights conflict issue: *Even IF fetuses having personhood from conception is a given, we should still be pro-choice due to the way right conflicts work.* If someone wants their pregnancy terminated, the fetus is essentially violating that person's right to biological autonomy. If someone argues that, yes, biological autonomy rights should be overriden to preserve human life, then the exact same logic could surely be used to justify mandatory organ donation. Why not just grab people at random and take their kidneys if the preservation of life overrides all rights concerns?

[@k3upikachu]

The language anti-choice people use makes me so mad because it's so inaccurate and people just believe it. I got an abortion at 6 weeks, and in Texas they require a transvaginal ultrasound if the fetus isn't developed enough to see it through a traditional ultrasound. The doctor told me there was no heartbeat yet and was it the size of a black bean. For me, it was a no-brainer, not because I didn't take it seriously, but because I was in school and the man who had gotten me pregnant was a controlling narcissist. I have never once regretted my decision. To think that this is a frivolous decision gives no credit to women as humans capable of making their own decisions. Texas had a 24-hour waiting period between the initial appointment and the actual abortion, so women could "think about" what they were doing 🙄 All that does is put an even greater strain on women's time and finances, because abortions cost $500 minimum and the waiting period means that, in a state with already limited clinics, many women have to travel 100 plus miles and stay in a hotel just to be near the clinic for that 24 hours. I have volunteered a few times as a clinic escort, which basically involves walking women from the sidewalk to the front door of the clinic because protesters are very aggressive and harassed women. And a lot of the women that were going into the clinic were just trying to get basic health services. Apparently one of the protestors got an abortion at the clinic and believed her case to be unique, because she was responsible and didn't mean to get pregnant...as if that's not the case nearly always. The undeserving moral superiority is gross.

[@springyqthealloy7544]

Science: Proves what Abby’s saying is factually incorrect Abby: That science can’t stop me, because I don’t read those!

[@Annie_Annie__]

The reason Abby “believes” life begins at conception is because her fan base is primarily American evangelicals. Here in the States evangelicals usually believe that life begins at conception. It’s one of the few things that they agree with Catholics on. Abby is just going with where the money is, and the push against abortion is huge among conservative women. Especially evangelical conservative women. Who even knows what her genuine views are. She’s always going to say publicly what ever plays best to her base. (Just like 99% of prominent US conservatives, honestly.)

[@bibianaguadalupeislasherre9880]

And if that wasn't enough, she had a miscarriage and uploaded a video on her channel about it.

[@KvDenko]

I read the title as "clinically Abby". Do with that what you will. 😂

[@annme_87]

If classically Abby had her way, my cousin would not have survived her first pregnancy because her first pregnancy was ectopic and needed to be terminated to save her life. If my cousin hadn't survived that pregnancy, she wouldn't have gone on to have her 3 other healthy, happy children. So I guess that would mean in Abby's world the first fetus is more important than their future siblings. Just one moral issue with Abby's opinion. I'm also bothered by her acting like everyone who has an abortion like they did it out of convenience. My cousin was gutted. My cousin still to this day mourns that she wasn't able to go through with her first pregnancy. It wasn't an easy choice for her to make at all even though it was the only choice that would allow her to continue living.

[@junkabella6324]

Oh my! This is such a good argument! Tragic, but enlightening!

[@bookshelfhoney]

What do you think of when you hear "babies"? Me: nope nope NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE HELLLLLL NO

[@elle_clairex]

My reaction too 😂

[@joshuacoleman8000]

But what do you think of when you hear "puppies" or "kitties"?

[@Just...K]

@@joshuacoleman8000 those aren't the same in terms of things that needed to be provided to them and what they will give back to you. Is this gonna be some argument of, 'you find puppies and kitties cute so why don't you find babies cute'?

[@joshuacoleman8000]

@@Just...K It was kind of a joke question.

[@Just...K]

@@joshuacoleman8000 most people tend to use that argument to try and persuade people to have babies so it wasn't all that clear but thanks for clearing that up i guess

[@serrenadesinge3160]

I am of the mind that it's nobody's choice but the pregnant person's as to whether or not they birth a child. Two thousand years ago, infant mortality and men's egos created this mess. I'm all for going back to a matriarchal society until the patriarchy is willing to stand equally with us rather than use repression to make us lesser citizens. Besides, it's a lot easier to trace the maternal line versus the paternal. There's a lot less questioning parentage when the mother is clearly definable (the Jewish go by this). Sorry... just woke up and rambling...

[@serrenadesinge3160]

@Cassandra Tafoya I know they are. One is political power, the other is bloodline. I was half asleep. Thank you for clarifying. 🙂

[@junkabella6324]

@@serrenadesinge3160 you put it so well! Thank you! Love from an internet stranger :)

[@des1993]

Her argument is rich coming from the sister of the ‘facts don’t care about your feelings’ guy. She’s such a lazy grifter.

[@safala]

If I’m not mistaken, even her brother puts feelings over facts, doesn’t he?

[@des1993]

@@safala yup. All the time. They don’t understand the pure irony. It’s soooooo frustrating

[@safala]

@@des1993 My gosh, it is. Coupled with Ben’s voice and Abby’s expression, I just want to bang my head against a wall.

[@des1993]

@@safala SAME!!

[@SpookiePossum]

God that statement is so false. Facts can be shaped by your feelings which create bias.

[@christinecarter2655]

What sucks is that women who have abortions end up being the ‘bad person/sinner” after having the abortion, nobody gets made at the man even if he wanted the abortion too. Plus do anti choice people ever spare a thought of all the women with unplanned pregnancies , for example drug addicts, who are in no position to have a baby AND that the baby is much more likely to have birth defects, learning disabilities, more likely to be neglected or abused - where are all the anti choice people to help these kids once they’re born? Maybe if they put there energies into caring about children even after they are born.

[@junkabella6324]

Yeah, but that’s the thing, they are just pro-suffering, so they are most likely celebrating pregnant drug addicts and alcoholics, instead of offering them the help they would need. Usually mental health services. Pro-life(full of suffering) that is what they truly are….

[@christinecarter2655]

@@junkabella6324 Yeah that's a good point too

[@hannerikruger7216]

Also a human life can very much be an inconvenience😂 just look at Abby's existence?😂 But also if you can't afford to eat food and you fall pregnant under unconsentual circumstances, that baby would very much be an inconvenience? Because pregnancy costs sooooo much?!

[@yourmomsawitch5653]

Abby's arguments makes me fear for my rights as a woman. Emma's arguments give me hope.

[@mewmew6158]

My mom's a Christian, also a nurse and she always taught me life begins at the first breath. I grew to find it odd, when people from the church would say life began at conception. I'm always glad my mother taught me to develop my own opinions based on science and whatever view of spirituality (if anything) that I have.

[@krankarvolund7771]

Honestly, I don't think life at conception is a very old catholic principle, I've search it, and it seems to came from like the 2270 entry of the catechism, which seems very recent XD My bet would be that they invented that when the abortio debate really began ^^

[@bruceneu8588]

Unborn babies breathe in the womb.

[@krankarvolund7771]

@@bruceneu8588 They breathe water? ^^

[@bruceneu8588]

@@krankarvolund7771 No, they breathe air in their mother's womb. They are also able to eat, etc.

[@krankarvolund7771]

@@bruceneu8588 Yeah, they breathe air in a place full of water :D And they eat without anything to eat except amniotic liquid ^^

[@scambaitingstuff443]

"what do you think of when i say babies" snotty noses and lots of crying

[@memow7835]

I envy how calm you can be when making this video. Knowing the damage she's causing to so many people is making me almost irrationally angry. Thank you so much for covering this and picking apart her arguments. ❤

[@bibianaguadalupeislasherre9880]

I would be very angry and furious.

[@MetaphorUB]

For what it’s worth, your voice is fantastic. I could see you doing very well as a voice actor. It has a richness to it that doesn’t interfere with your flawless articulation nor your awesome accent! (I’m from the States). I look forward to hearing more!

[@henrik2518]

The fundamental problem with the argument that life begins at conception is that the fertilized egg more often that not fails to implant and is naturally aborted by the body. Thus the consequences of this line of argument is a world full of retardation and hilarity.

[@henrik2518]

@@cinema8931 I’m sorry but mixing up infant mortality rates with the rate of fertilized eggs being flushed out of the human body with regularity due to natural causes is puzzling bordering on incomprehensible. What does your argument have to do with the price of fish? :) As for your delightful question, “Did medieval life only start way after infancy when you were likely enough to continue living?”, the answer is actually Yes. For example during the Tudor period in England church records show that it wasn’t uncommon for up to a month to pass between birth and Christening. And if you want some more modern examples I recommend the book “Dancing Skeletons” by Katherine Dettwyler.

[@henrik2518]

@@cinema8931 My friend now you are making a strawman or you have misunderstood my original post, so let's try to clear things up. In my original post I stress the problematic consequences of arguing that life begins at conception because if that is one's position then it follows (among other things) that sexually active heterosexual women, to an alarming rate, are serial killers due to simple biology that they have no control over (the failure of fertilized eggs to implant among other things). This is it, all, FIN, nothing more. I suggest nothing else and this is why I have no idea why you brought up infant mortality since it has nothing at all to do with my argument (I believe it is here we find YOUR Argumentum ad rem). As for your claim that I hold the opinion that “It looks absurd that this is life when there is such a high percentage of natural death in that case.” I will simply ignore it and pretend I didn’t read it since by now you will have realized how foolish you were. (As for baptism and the Tudors etc. Given the practical and religious importance of the baptism at that time and place I will argue that the parents/society clearly didn’t view the child as properly/fully alive until it had survived a certain amount of time. But this isn’t even a controversial topic and me having a go at it is borderline a waste of time since if you even cared about your own question you would have searched for answers earlier and in a better place than in a youtube comment section 😀)

[@Lammas2]

@@cinema8931 Though I am not the original commenter, I would have to say that this topic is intriguing enough to try to examine it from multiple perspectives. I think what they might have been trying to get at is this: it is known that a significant amount of pregnancies result in miscarriage; ergo, actively trying to conveive - or taking the risk of it happening - is essentially gambling on human life. Of course from a strictly ethical perspective this is maybe not that interesting. However, lot of your - very fine I should say - arguments hinge on how "life" is defined, I should say it is at least somewhat relevant. In many many legal circumstances, taking an action with ≈50% probability of a human life being lost is considered criminal. Therefore, ought conceiving not be conceived as a reckless endangerment if human life? Please tell me what do you think.

[@jeremyg7261]

@@cinema8931 Do you think a collection of cells and person-hood are the exact same things? You place importance over a thing you cannot possibly know will even be born over the life of living people? Are babies people? Really? They are alive, but are they people? People have autonomy. Babies don't. A fetus even less. But a fetus has more right to life than the woman has right to her body? What..? You also are arguing with this guy and still NOT understanding what he is saying scientifically. It's a little alarming how you prattle on your tirade totally unable to understand another person while you try to catch them in some sort of philosophical game. You have a lot of conservative thinking in your arguments, I don't know if that is on purpose or not. Must be because your 'logic' doesn't follow without it and your misunderstanding of the original statement is based on some warped view because you literally aren't able to comprehend what he is saying.

[@startingbark0356]

@@cinema8931 you dont release that born babies where killed back then for being to weak or parents saw them as a burden so they just abandoned them

[@booklover4078]

Even if I agreed that fetuses are human beings and deserve human right I don't get to the point that someone else owns a women's womb. Also if you think her saying murder is manipulative I have heard pro-lifer using cancelation as if that is worse then murder

[@booklover4078]

@@cinema8931 If you are getting an abortion then I would not say you are the parent just like you are not the parent if you give up the child for adoption and as to be responsible an abortion can be the responsible thing to do if you can't take care of the child and we live in a world where and adoption agencies ruin a lot of children

[@junkabella6324]

Most of the time abortion is the best gift a potential parent can give their neverborn.

[@pm6127]

@@cinema8931 by your logic.. mother's would also have to forcibly give blood, organs to sustain their children.. since they are the cause of their existence

[@booklover4078]

@@cinema8931 in the vial and barbaric country of Denmark where you as the non birth giving parent don't have to sign anything if you don't want to but you then can't claim anything a setup I am very happy for because this doesn't force people into situations they don't have to be in or might not have signed up for and if the birth giving parent doesn't want to be in this situation they don't have to either. As for after the child is born and you signed the papers absolutely as a parent of the child you are responsible until you choose or have been chosen for by legal means not to

[@TwinkleTwinkleTruly]

The one thing I’ll never understand is how ProLife people come to the conclusion that anyone *wants* an abortion. No one wants to have an abortion. It’s not a luxury, it’s a necessity!

[@MickHaggs]

When does life begin? It began 3-4 (or more) billion years ago and is a continuous process. Just keeps on rolling. - George Carlin & Evolutionary biologists

[@junkabella6324]

This made me chuckle, thank you! I guess these fundamentalists are just so dang mad at their irrelevant existance in the larger scheme!

[@krankarvolund7771]

"What do you think when I say babies" Ok, let's stop right now. Babies are not concerned by abortion, baby is the term for a new-born human, an unborn human is either an embryo or a foetus, depending on the advancement of the pregnancy. Yeah, we often call them babies, but they're not, especially at the age where abortion is practiced (in most countries before 21 weeks, and often before 14 weeks).

[@BarnacleBoy42069]

"stop killing babies 😭" Meanwhile "Food stamps and medicaid cost money? End it now, increase military spending 😭"

[@nikkilalk5832]

I am pro choice. I have a son. I’ve never had an abortion. HOWEVER, I’ve been with friends who were in situations that they NEEDED one because of multiple reasons whether it be r4pe, abusive partners, their health, etc. It’s even more sad that I had to drive those friends out of our state in the US to be able to receive that option because they needed it. If I was in a situation that I needed one, it would be wonderful to know I could receive one if it was necessary. I had hyperemesis when I was pregnant with my son. I lost 22lbs in the first trimester. At the time, I was decently chunky and was okay health wise to lose that weight. Now? I would literally die if I lost that amount of weight during a pregnancy and women who have hyperemesis in their first pregnancy are 80% more likely to have it in continuing pregnancies. My body would legitimately not survive it. So according to Abby and pro-life people I would be a murderer for considering my own health and well being over a fetus who cannot feel pain and would die WITH me if I died. How is that fair? It’s not. I understand some people wouldn’t be able to mentally handle having one. And that’s okay too. I personally don’t know if I could mentally handle one myself, but you AND your doctor still have to take into account the mother’s body/health and how it would be affected if a woman chose to be pregnant again. Late term abortions are practically non existent. It’s only an option if the MOTHER is at risk and if the fetus wouldn’t be able to survive/is killing the mother who is carrying said fetus. Abby really ticks me off. I can’t stand the manipulation behind these people’s arguments when they have NEVER been in a situation that they’ve even had to consider something like this. It’s not easy and it never will be. I wish they could get that through their freaking heads.

[@nikkilalk5832]

Not only that, but I’m also a single mother and while she wants to say there is SOOOOO much help for single moms, there really isn’t lol I’ve struggled with my state for a long time with assistance and even then they cut you off after a certain period of time because of one reasoning or another. Plus you have to take into account the area the mother lives in, what the economy in that area looks like, what direction the state leans as far as women rights and health. It’s a huge picture that is involved with all of this topic and people like Abby seem to not take all of it into consideration before labeling a woman as a murderer for doing what is best for herself as opposed to a fetus who can’t feel any of it and can’t even understand the bigger picture. My son is two and still doesn’t understand bigger pictures and the complexity of life itself. That’s why you have to teach infants. Anyways. Enough of my rant. Have a beautiful day lol

[@ashlee8449]

I'd take them more seriously if they were also advocating taking away other bodily autonomy rights due to saving lives (mandatory organ donation, blood donation, bone marrow donations, etc). But they aren't. The only time bodily autonomy doesn't seem to matter is to force women to have unwanted babies (or wanted but survival would be impossible/too painful). The argument isn't "when does life start", it is (or should be) "should the government have a say in a person's bodily autonomy and healthcare". My opinion is absolutely not.

[@faemomofdragons]

"Imagine not being able to speak when the decision of your life or death was decided without your consent"? Actually these anti-abortion laws do exactly that. They would prevent life-saving treatment to women if that treatment endangers the life of the fetus. It strips women of their bodily autonomy. So yeah, Abby, I can actually imagine that.

[@carameldare]

I HATE the "at 3 weeks its got a heart beat" thing. They use it to insist that it has a heartbeat before you know, but the heartbeat doesn't happen until 6 weeks (~3 weeks after conception). They use it to trick people into thinking the heartbeat exists before you know, but many women know before that. Not that it really matters but like, until I got pregnant myself I thought that they had a heartbeat before your missed period.

[@BubbleBunnyy]

And not to mention that fetus could end up suffering it’s whole life because it’s been put in shitty care and abusive places.

[@TheChewman1]

Emma: "its in our nature to protect them" me: not me DROP KICK THE BABY /jks

[@2031976vikrant]

I hate kids. Those icky parasites. 🤢 Of course, this is just my opinion. But I would never let a parasite( fetus) live on inside me. You guys do what you want.

[@SilentlyCreative]

@@2031976vikrant I suddenly don't feel alone anymore thank you ❤

[@TheChewman1]

@@2031976vikrant I'm gay and single so no kids for me plus I literally call them Crotch Goblins

[@2031976vikrant]

@@SilentlyCreative yay! Love for all you guys.

[@2031976vikrant]

@@TheChewman1 that’s a good one 😂

[@amberellew]

She’s like the difference between learning to read and sight reading. She’s the sight reading of moral advice.

[@Raztiana]

As someone who had to experience an ectopic pregnancy: Being pregnant is freaking dangerous, and some pregnancies can't end with a healthy child. She's not pro-life, because she's clearly not the least interested in the post-birth life. She's just pro forced pregnancy. If she was actually pro-life, she would want every child born to parents, who could look their children in the eyes and say: There's nothing in this world I would rather be, than to be your parent. We owe that to children born into this world.

[@2cute2poot76]

I have a friend that had a stillborn and was forced to carry it to birth before abortion was legal in my state. This was at least 10 years ago and she is still dealing with that trauma. It was the final piece that made my decision on how I feel about abortion, not that I was torn at all about it

[@ghostybees6322]

Abby: " What do you think of, when you think of babies" Me: Disgust

[@ace_of_cups4096]

Abbys comment on how there are plenty of families waiting to adopt children - NOT true. At all. There are more kids in the foster system then there are families waiting to adopt them. Those families want angelic babies, not the kids with abandonment issues who have never known the love they deserve. Does she know how many children have never had the chance to be adopted, let alone actually adopted? Hell, I bet she would never adopt a child herself because they aren't her flesh and blood children!

[@amygreen9662]

Here in America, one of the most expensive things you can do is have a child. You need health insurance and money saved to stay home or to pay for daycare. If they really wanted less abortion, there would be better support systems in place for parents and children.

[@bibianaguadalupeislasherre9880]

Or be very wealthy and rich.

[@DaniePariCrab00]

I am impressed and in awe and how you can respond to her disgusting, untrue, and manipulative video so rationally and calmly. I truly know if I had to make a video about this, I would not be as calm as you! I cannot stand her and her videos! Thanks for your mature and very smart reaction to her video!!

[@BioRose25]

Rhetoric like Abby's is very damaging to the women (and sadly children) who choose abortion after being victims of trauma. Thank you for speaking out against this and understanding this is a complicated issue.

[@mindylee2591]

“Oh yeah… I did the laundry, got an abortion, and then went to the movies. LOL what a great day!”

[@roguestowl2280]

Also, this emotional appeal to pregnancy=infant contributes to people who experience miscarriage feeling guilty or shameful over the loss of the pregnancy, when it’s probably not their fault all at, and is part of the natural course of human reproduction. Edited to say: I know not everyone blames themself if they lose a pregnancy. I’m just saying some people feel that way.

[@risky_busine55]

Straight up I've only heard the phrase "shout your abortion" from abby and her brother

[@ChaoticCottonClover]

She's saying things like "you're the mother of a baby who needs love and care to help them grow into a person", what if I don't have the love and care to give to the child? It sounds harsh, but I have heard of parents mistreating their children enough to know not everyone has love for their child. Also I couldn't care for a child, neither financially nor emotionally. I can barely take care of myself

[@cfadeathfries]

As someone who was raised Catholic and then later developed my own very different opinions, I have some insight into the whole "life begins at conception" thing. The whole reasoning for it (as much as I was ever explained to) is that even if your definition of a living thing doesn't start until a person is born, at conception the possibility of a person begins, and at that point is when a person's soul begins. I probably got a few things wrong but as far as I'm aware that's one of the main reasons from a Catholic pro-life standpoint. Personally I'm not a huge fan of it because I've heard several people stretch it into homophobia/acephobia by extending that point into "if you don't make children in a straight relationship you're essentially killing potential children you could have!", although that's definitely not a common standpoint and isn't really common among people who hold the general opinion I tried to describe in the first paragraph lol.

[@MrT3L]

I do not know how rational it is, but I worry that using any gradient for human-ness will be co-opted by bigots to argue against groups they do not like. For abortion, it seems like a personal autonomy argument is sufficient in that it doesn't matter how "human" or "deserving" the fetus might be, the mother still has agency over her own body and should not be forced or pressured to give it to another. I don't think it is overly rational, but defining human or life seems troubling to me.

[@takianimation2189]

Lucy lives in poland and poland has introduced a ban on abortion in the case if the fetus is damaged (even to a huge degree like chunks of the brain missing) which sparked a huge nation wide womens protest in the whole country. The whole sad piano thing is disgusting and pathetic and a lot of the people that are "pro life" don't care about women not children, especially after said children are born.

[@viy2959]

I really appreciate you remembering that Abby is Jewish and that that would cause specific thoughts that differ from conservative Christians. I find that sometimes lacking in videos discussing her and/or her brother.

[@BeansproutPost]

"There are so many families waiting to adopt a child" Then why are there so many children in orphanages that aren't given proper homes?

[@sirensong2628]

As someone who has as guilted into giving birth to my daughter I can 100% confirm how damaging it was, and is, to my mental health.

[@thoughtfuldevil6069]

No way.....could it be....... First? Also, good on you for taking on Classically Abby. I would never have the patience to do so.

[@MegaLpso]

Honestly, she crossed the line for me when she started too guilt mothers by saying "you are its mother, who depends on your love and care too live" its sickening. taking advantage of mothers who dont know what to do in this situation.

[@trashpanda3544]

Wow the timing on this video. I just got back from shopping and there was a guy in the street "shouting abortion is murder" and "you're going to hell"

[@bowbooks5659]

I love your take on this very complex topic! When I fell pregnant I couldn’t even consider abortion, though I’m not against them, but a year after he was born I got sick and they said pregnancy is a trigger and if I got sick again while pregnant they wouldn’t try to save the foetus, they would try to save me. It’s a risk I might have taken if I didn’t have a kid but it’s not worth it to potentially leave my kid without a mum. Sometimes abortion is the only option and it’s very narrow-minded of people like Abby to apply only a religious agenda to a complicated topic

[@carlyhope]

You are so well spoken. And I fully understand your frustration with her and her whole shtick. In my country there are people who are repeatedly trying to restrict the access and information about abortion as well as access to comprehensive sex education - which is pretty much none existent at this point and has been for decades, and to contraception. I watched an interview with one of those people a handful of days ago and my anger was through the roof. They don't have arguments only emotional manipulation and misrepresented facts that are mostly not even real in the first place.

[@Scatscar1985]

Classically Abby is a walking pro-choice argument...

[@hannerikruger7216]

Proof that a human life can be an inconvenience😂

[@minabrunkhorst9954]

DAMN! 🤣

[@laurenwalker1048]

I had an abortion at 13 weeks. I was a heroin addict. I tried to stop using but I couldn’t. I wanted my baby. It took so much to make the right choice for what would have been my child. The right choice: don’t bring a child into a world where it’s mother was sick, it may have been born sick, and it couldn’t be safely taken care of. I wonder if I’d had that baby, would Abby think “ugh, why did she even have children?”

[@AugustMooon]

I'm ashamed to be an American if they overturn Roe V Wade. So much for being a free country. Welcome to the Handmaid's Tale.

[@whitney8678]

I'm only 5 minutes in, but I LOVE your comparison of abortion & dentists! Also, you're a lot nicer in your reaction video than I was to her in mine, so I applaud you for that as well!

[@UNknown-sd3ki]

Love how Abby says that there "murdering infants" in abortion. The only murdering that's happening here is the choice that the woman has. What's gonna happen with the kid, foster care? Is he/she ever gonna feel a sense of being wanted. It's a horrible feeling and a sad reality that the woman was shame into not going through into an abortion cause of a never knowing sense of when life starts. I live in Texas and they just passed a new bill anti abortion vigilantes the abortion clinics are already on the edge as it is. Amazing video emma