"Class of '61" (1993) - Civil War West Point TV Movie

[@thomasnever2552]

Greetings from Germany. It's not for me to judge, but I found it sad when people over there pulled down the statues of Lee or Pike.

[@StsFiveOneLima]

Not all of us here are fans of monument removal...

[@sonnytoo9077]

Agreed

[@michaelcross6288]

I understand,when I lived in Tombstone the tourists from Deutschland new allot aboutUShistory

[@TheLAGopher]

Perhaps things wouldn't have come to that had the people who erected and supported those statues cared about history that didn't go with the Lost Cause narrative. It's just as much part of southern history and heritage to immortalize the exploits of both white southern Unionist troops and Officers as well as Black troops from the United States Colored Troops, who were mainly of southern birth. Perhaps had the same people who wanted to keep a statue of Robert E Lee standing, had also wanted to have the history of slavery taught to their kids, or had been willing to render similar honors to southern Black men from their states who defended the Union, or render honors to key members of the Underground Railroad, the arguement that "We are just defending history.Not Hate" would have had more credibility.

[@ianmcclellan7695]

Well I guess it’s whether you would build statues for Rommel or other Nazi generals; or you build statues for Sophie Scholl? Lee and the other confederate generals were fighting to preserve slavery. The statues were built by people trying to preserve the Lost Cause and white nationalism. Maybe pay a visit to your local library in Germany?

[@jefferyhorton7496]

Something you don’t see in Civil War movies much. The South often wore blue uniforms. Especially the beginning of the war. Because that was all they had. Thank you “Class Of ‘61” for including this.

[@trajan231]

Indeed. This particular unit was the 33rd Virginia and their advance on the day was decisive

[@MikeNel33and49]

BALDWIN BLUES IVE HEARD!

[@andrewstravels2096]

Thanks for putting this back up. It’s one of the best movies I’ve ever seen and definitely highly underrated.

[@martinpickering4601]

What a great show

[@tedeitel8060]

😂

[@jasonwilliamson8416]

I had a lot of hope for this TV series. I spent 21 years in the Army and actually served 2 terms on the staff at West Point.

[@lynnmorrison]

Somedays I feel like a Northern American and Somedays I am a Southern American. I am both. Down deep in my Heart, I am a proud AMERICAN.

[@JafuetTheSame]

🙄 ...firstly, where exactly are those prideful moments? secondly, what part did you take in those that you feel pride? feel proud only for what you achieve yourself and not for something you had zero part in it nor for where you happened to be born.

[@lynnmorrison]

@JafuetTheSame I was born in Connecticut, then at age six, my Parents went to Alabama; age 10 moved to Virginia, where grew up and graduated from High School. No matter where you live or lived, every place in the USA, there is History bad or good. What I achieved was being successful in aging. I don't have to prove myself, but to the LORD above.

[@MikeNel33and49]

We're Americans!!!

[@JafuetTheSame]

@@MikeNel33and49 condolences

[@pamhidenrite9119]

One of my favorite movies. I loved seeing it again. Thank you.

[@lawrenceleverton7426]

Any American Historical Movie about a subject that I'm intrigued with, is always worth a view. Learning History is all about pieces things together. Mathematics in a sense.

[@eskhawk]

For years I felt bad I didn't get to watch this because I was on duty that night...Now I know how awful it was and don't feel bad anymore...Great cast though...

[@joeydepalmer4457]

Watching videos like this that truly bring the time period, not the civil war or slavery or anything like that, makes you feel like the time period was not that far back in time. thinking of the clothing they warn and the homes they lived in and even walking down the same streets as if they never had changed since than, and it like thoughs times where like just a little while ago. thinking and feeling that thoughs days where so closs in the past that it happened in my life time.

[@ericrobertson843]

This movie really does put in perspective of what West Pointers in the civil war went through. Spending years to build these friendships and a sense of brotherhood just to end up fighting one another in Americas bloody civil war. Specially for the classes of May and June 1861. History channel had an episode of Civil war journal about West Pointers in the civil war that explains further. But for those men when they went into battle against each other I know that they had much mixed feelings about fighting their classmates and friends who to all hold dear to their hearts. Good example of that came with the battle of Gettysburg during Pickett’s charge with Confederate Brigadier General Lewis Armistead leading one of Pickett’s brigades and Union Major General Winfield Scott Hancock in command of the 2nd corps of the Army of the Potomac who was positioned on Cemetery Ridge facing Pickett’s division. Bothe being West Point classmates the two had been close friends before the war serving in the west in California and when departing from one another in 1861 they shed tears and Armistead said to Hancock “Goodbye you can never know what this has cost me.” And then at Gettysburg July 3, 1863 Armistead would be wounded three times during Pickett’s charge and two days later due to his wounds on July 5, 1863 he had passed. General Hancock who had been wounded himself received the news of his friend and his personal effects. It was reported that both men showed regret for having to fight one another and that even with the war they never forgot their dear friendship with one another.

[@willisrice7844]

Ive always have been amazed on how civilians attended the batttle of Bullrun like they were going to a church picnic while thousands were wounded or died.

[@JStryker7]

No tv or video games

[@deaddocreallydeaddoc5244]

This was not unknown during this period. After the Thirty Years War, Europe settled into a strict code of honor, the final phase of chivalry where laws were passed that punished soldiers for looting even a farm, let alone harm a civilian. This led to set-piece battles in a mock Romanesque Style, or like a chess game with maneuvers, attacks, and counterattacks until one or the other left the field or surrendered. Civilians were safe to witness. You will find this a great deal in Tolstoy's "War and Peace," for example. Many wanted to witness history, but many also wanted to see the "thrill of battle," unfold. Sometimes as with "The Charge of the Light Brigade" at Balaclava during the Crimean War, it became a horror show. I don't think there were any civilian witnesses at Waterloo, however.

[@stevendick4894]

These are the cowards that watch but take no action like today vote or don't complain when you are ruled by what you had the power over and could have rejected let those that howl the loudest for war lead every charge God family freedom country

[@yank-tc8bz]

I was an extra in that movie. One day I wore blue the next gray. It was low, low budget.

[@BrionBoyles]

Yeah....I can tell.

[@johnwatkins343]

But it was a very good movie very under rated

[@phillipvietri8786]

THE CIVIL WAR IS EASILY THE MOST INTERESTING PERIOD OF AMERICAN HISTORY. I A SO SICK OF FILMS ON THE PACIFIC WAR. THIS FILM IS A REFRESHING CHANGE.

[@jamesabestos2800]

How about WW1 and before and post-civil war

[@phillipvietri8786]

@@jamesabestos2800 WW1 is interesting for the Eastern Front. For the rest, we've just had an overdose of that history in America!

[@BuckPalanger]

I'm amazed at how many of these actors and actresses went on to bigger careers. I recognize just about everyone in this.

[@vanpearsall]

I’ve been watching movies and TV for over 50 years. I don’t recognize anybody.

[@BuckPalanger]

Me thinks you are lying. Either about the watching TV for 50 years part or the don't recognize anyone part.@@vanpearsall

[@vanpearsall]

Well, I think you’re lying to because there’s no way you can recognize everybody in this movie@@BuckPalanger

[@trajan231]

@@vanpearsall Clive Owen, Josh Lucas, and Laura Linney

[@vanpearsall]

Thank you the only one that doesn’t ring a bell is Laura @@trajan231

[@mosesmarlboro5401]

The chills I get every time at 1:25:46 when they recognize one another during the cannonade.

[@rockyperez2828]

Dixie was wrote by a Yankee in 1858 and the rebs adopted it at the beginning of the war. In '61

[@andrewpytko4773]

So what?

[@covand]

8:23 While the 1861 cadets did indeed try to outsing each other during their graduation, the cadets loyal the Union sang "Yankee Doodle" (not "The Star-Spangled Banner"), while those loyal to the Confederacy sang "Dixie"

[@Jim-sb6wz]

My German friend I agree with you to me it's history not hate. But people see it differently.

[@alexamerling79]

Depends on who you ask. If you ask people whose descendants suffered under the Confederacy, they may feel differently.

[@stephenchoisser1105]

Would you feel the same way about a statue for Hideki Tojo? How about Hermann Goering? They too were enemies of democracy and The United States. Perhaps we can put them in your home town. Sedition is sedition, no matter how you spin it and R. E. Lee should have had the final words about these stupid statues. But no one cared what he thought, they wanted to make a myth about him.

[@vespelian5769]

Just shows what you can do on an obviously low budget with a bit of passion and imagination.

[@patrickmonahan-rj2kn]

He was a friend and classmate and within second he was a dead friend.

[@antonietadeoliveira4900]

Brilliant!!! Thank you for posting this incredible film. Steven Spielberg at his best...

[@thepeskytraveller3870]

Thank you for uploading. Great movie of a sad but necessary part of our proud history.

[@pault.9467]

Many thanks for a great film. One of James Caan's best.

[@tooter1able]

The Star-Spangled Banner" was first recognized for official use by the U.S. Navy in 1889.

[@daviddiaz5012]

Thank you I had that question

[@robertwaid3579]

Till this week I had never Seen this particular Film. As for what I was thinking 🤔🙏 of it. IT wasn't Outstanding but it was Decent and the Battle Scene's at Close too the End we're pretty Decent, Authentic & Tastefully done. The Casting of the Ensemble Cast was Exceptional, even though they were Young as the Character's they Portrayed we're. So Thank You Very Much for Sharing this Fine Production. 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@jamesfulwood5691]

I visited the battle field 2 times while visiting the area. The south won but lost in the end. The graves of the south were in such poor condition shortly after the battle, they had to be reburied. When looking at the area where the battle took place it was hard to imagine the number of troops in the field and small knolls where the majority of the fighting occurred. If ever in the Manassas area please take a look.

[@razorshark9320]

This is an amazing film. It needs to be on DVD and Blu-Ray.

[@brisnwinters8161]

2 of my 3 great uncles fought on both sides in the civil war.

[@shanebell2514]

Your great uncles? How old are they? 180?

[@ChileMiPais]

My great uncles fought with Ceaser

[@dereklucero5785]

Regarding the intro where in the past the country had no north, south, etc. now the country has no guidance and doesn’t even know what sex it is.

[@eduardorodriguez7245]

What is that?

[@jakklump]

They know who they are-YOU JUST DON'T SHOW ANY RESPECT FOR THEM BECAUSE YOU ARE POORLY-RAISED.

[@josephlambe2796]

It was a sad event in history, but Sherman should have been accountable for what happened under his command at certain times, during this sad time in history.

[@RonGreeneComedian]

Suppose there were two men. One man was a preacher of great renown, a great orator whose words could motivate and move thousands. In fact, his words, his sermons, have been reproduced and taught in classrooms since his death many decades ago. He is a man whose words and goals for us we all should embrace. However, he had one great fault; he was an adulterer to the point of causing Bill Clinton to blush. Yet, we build statues to him and even celebrate his birthday as a nation. Suppose there was a great military leader, whose battlefield tactics are taught in war colleges around the world today. He's always mentioned as being one of the 10 greatest generals of all time. His morals were impeccable! He began and closed each day in fervent prayer. He always removed his hat as soon as he crossed the threshold of a house, always standing and bowing when a lady entered the room, and demanding that his subordinates to do the same. He would never dream of sitting while a lady was standing. Upon his leaving the army, he never wore his uniform again. It was his wish that when he died he wanted to be buried in civilian clothes, which he was. By now, many of you have figured it out that Martin Luther King is the preacher in General Robert E. Lee is the general I'm referring to. General Lee was Lincoln's first choice to lead the Union army. Did he decline the offer, instead to fight to keep his slaves? He never owned any slaves. However, he did owned Land which he did not want to see invaded. When it comes down to deciding a person's character based on words or actions, I think the distinction between these two men is obvious.

[@davidrobinson8337]

That captain was a damn fool! That boy should have been allowed to LIVE, He was a brave man!

[@majorronaldmandell7835]

When the boy checks his back, we are supposed to believe that almost all slaves had whip scars on their backs. That is not even close to being true, but it fits the liberal agenda. In fact it was very, very rare for a slave to be whipped. With very few exceptions slave owner did not hate their slaves, nor wish them I’ll.

[@majorronaldmandell7835]

Well, we must remember that the Captain never existed, nor did the boy. The entire incident never happened.

[@darthroden]

@@majorronaldmandell7835 I'm certain it did in one form or another. It was an ugly damned war and both sides did less than honorable things.

[@JStryker7]

I mean yes, but also brave men can do a lot of damage

[@johnkongsaisy7014]

​@@majorronaldmandell7835The battle of bull run never happened? Ok bufdy

[@brisnwinters8161]

The singing contest early in the movie reminds me of the singing contest at the end of the movie in zulu.

[@davidrobinson8337]

I heard it was bad. But my god! Fighting on the plain? Unheard of!

[@yomama8873]

Thank you 🤩🤩💖

[@leivabernie]

Yay!!! It’s up again!!! I love this film.

[@barrycannon6025]

Wow, what a great movie

[@MrShoki44]

Its my understanding that the vast majority of the West Point cadets and teachers had CSA sympathies but the movie gives very different picture

[@LionHeartFilmWorks]

Not the case. 977 West Point graduates from the classes of 1833 through 1861 were alive when the Civil War began. Of these men, 259 (26%) joined the Confederacy and 638 (65%) fought for the Union. Eight did not fight for either side.

[@nlormanstuckman7408]

True my great grandfather was confederate & fought for state rights. I believe this war was the beginning of government overreach that we see so much of today

[@tonyelberg7814]

ITS GOT A YOUNG CLIVE OWEN IN IT, THANKS FOR THIS

[@rigger314]

Bloody great movie. Thanks for putting it up.

[@DogKata]

To answer your questions, the polls show the public isn't for statue removal by 54%, and it was even more, 64% against statue removal when the NamIng Commission was formed and funded a few years ago. In other words it's the politicians and the Army for removals and it's not what the public wants at all.

[@palerider660]

What a horrible waste of God’s most precious gift. The gift of life.

[@jbrown3547]

Shame this was never made into a multi part series.

[@bluskies1000]

As soon as I heard "Lost Cause" I began to lose hope for a good Civil War movie.

[@LBF522]

Not only that I have noticed that just about every Western movie and show the main character is always a former confederate soldier or the plotline is from the Southern point of view. Clearly the writers and producers in Hollywood have an infinity toward the Confederacy. There was on exception and that was a TV series western called "Best of the West" and the main character was a former Union soldier.

[@Elo-hv3fw]

Battle starts at the end.

[@davidrobinson8337]

Well Young man. Little did you know you would fall in love with a Rebel Spy.

[@454FatJack]

Or Freedom fighter❤

[@susandaniels9733]

Running water in 1861?didn't start seeing that for the public til about 60 yrs later.

[@simpilot8508]

I heard this was bad, but its really good.

[@User-4-mn3or]

Very entertaining! Thanks

[@gallantcavalier3306]

You rockstars!! Glad to see this movie again!!!

[@joepeyton5140]

love my family and this movie

[@brega6286]

Oh heck...I thought this was 1961 ! 😵‍💫

[@alpha-omega2362]

opps. "American Graffiti" it ain't.....class of 62 ...

[@draganjagodic4056]

It was not about slavery whatsoever! Too many prominent people in the North also kept slaves. And the percentage of Americans who kept slaves was about 3% (three percent).

[@alexamerling79]

READ ALEXANDER STEPOHEN'S REASOSN FOR SECESSION. It was 100% about slavery and keep justifying and condoning how the south treated African Americans. There is no excuse for it. NONE.

[@tross9972]

Crazy talk, all the southern papers of the time proclaimed slavery the prime reason for the war. The sessech government said this in all their secession declarations..

[@leivabernie]

To think it wasn’t about slavery is to be ignorant of history; it was not ONLY about slavery, but if you don’t think Bleeding Kansas and Harper’s Ferry is not evidence of its cause, then I don’t know what to tell you. Willing blindness gets you nowhere.

[@draganjagodic4056]

@@leivabernie Had it been about the slavery, Afro-Americans would not have to fight for their rights deep into 20th century and Martin Luther King would not have been assassinated.

[@shanebell2514]

I don`t know where you get the idea only 3% of Americans owned slaves or that any Northerners were slave owners , nor do I know how you come to the conclusion the war wasn`t about slavery, it was the direct cause, South Carolina seceded because Lincoln wouldn`t allow slavery to expand into the territories under his administration, the secession crisis led to the war.

[@davidrobinson8337]

Custer didnt attend his graduation, Why? He was under arrest and confined to quarters. On graduation day.

[@lawrenceleverton7426]

What was his charge?? BTW his younger brother Thomas won 2 Medals of Honor. Thats quite rare. But some have. Thomas W. Custer was six years younger than his famous brother, George Armstrong Custer. The 16-year-old Thomas enlisted in September 1861 as a private in the 21st Ohio Volunteer Infantry. In spite of his humble beginnings, Thomas Custer distinguished himself in battle twice, for which he received two Medals of Honor..

[@davidrobinson8337]

Failure to do his duty as a sentinel and other charges @@lawrenceleverton7426

[@willisrice7844]

At that time it was allowed to receive more than one MOH.

[@willisrice7844]

Not that reduces the valor or bravery involved to be awarded the MOH.

[@covand]

@@lawrenceleverton7426 He was charged with neglect of duty in failing to stop a fight between two cadets when he was officer of the guard. However, the charges were eventually dropped and Custer would become one of the Union's best cavalry generals.

[@GeneRogers-di6cl]

This looks to be a remake of a 40s movie about Errol Flynn, Ronald Reagan, Olivia de Havilland, Arthur Kennedy, Anthony Quinn, Hattie McDaniel, Arthur Kennedy and a whole slew of notable actors.

[@trajan231]

"They died with their boots on" was based on Custers military career. Finishing with the Battle of the Little Bighorn

[@DonThrasher]

A great injustice,in my mind!

[@TrueSonOfOdin]

On Quora, historian James M. Volo describes Southern cadets leaving the Academy not confrontationally - on the other hand not the cermonious parting of They Died with Their Boots On. Not bad. I assume the spoilers - fates of the cadets - came after the series was turned down. Blue and Gray remains excellent.

[@lawrenceleverton7426]

Colonel Sherman barks. Move off Captain FitzHugh Lee, as the Band plays Dixie. This is a good movie. Lacks abit of historical fact but Errol Flynn is always a great watch. Top Top movie in my collection.

[@nickframe5243]

Only the rich profit in war, never changes.

[@Redwhiteblue-gr5em]

Well said Karl Marx lol.

[@Mitchell7]

I'm almost more often think the South.80, yet I still wonder which side I would have been loyal too. I In Vietnam where I was wounded twice I always felt it was a lost cause. Now today in 2023 we fight among ourselves again, between the blacks and the Whites. Colonel Gregory Dischea USMC Ret.

[@Thomas-s2s6h]

The opening scene of the cadets drunk would not have happened or been allowed.This was West Point not some community college.

[@karencarter8292]

Is there any mention of John Pelham in this class or the overall general picture ?

[@bonnievarnes2822]

After doing a tremendous amount of research I discovered that I had relatives on both sides during the Civil War. Out of respect for my fallen relatives I can not fully support either the NORTH or the SOUTH. As a Disabled Retired American Military Man (ARMY) I am proud of my fellow Military Family both Men and Women. I find it shameful for Brothers to fight against each other. I feel there may be another Civil War on American Soil, I hope not but it appears it may happen again. I do not feel it will be Brothers and Sisters fighting against each other I feel there will be a WAR where TRUE AMERICANS will be fighting against those who are not LOYAL to America or their TRUE AMERICAN BROTHERS AND SISTERS. I am 76 years YOUNG, if it comes down to it I would take up ARMS and support my COUNTRY AND FELLOW TRUE AMERICANS. I pray that those who are trying to start a CIVIL WAR faiis in their attempt, May GOD BLESS AMERICA AND THE TRUE AMERICAN MEN AND WOMEN.

[@User-4-mn3or]

Wow! I'm 74 and feel the same. I would only support true Americans!!! NO QUESTION! I pray it doesn't happen, but fear it will.

[@robertschultz6922]

Does anyone know what the curriculum was for a cadet in the 1850's-1860's? I always wondered what they were taught other than French,latin and mathematics.

[@alpha-omega2362]

I'm sure there was military history, tactics, etc...and I guess Custer wasn't listening when they taught make sure you have a means of escape if things go wrong....but he was a great hero of the Civil War...

[@robertschultz6922]

@@alpha-omega2362 he was sick on that day...

[@alpha-omega2362]

@@robertschultz6922 yeah, that explains it.

[@johnflynn-pk2mk]

Science, mathmatics, sword fighting, philosophy, poetry and proper etiquette language in front of females!!!

[@madlenellul3430]

As one officer graduate told me five decades ago.. The Point taught men, ( and now women ), to lead with honour and respect. The strictest of all mental disciplines.. 👵🇦🇺🇺🇸

[@stevecolby7348]

I have my great great grandpa's diary from the civil war Orion w Damon 16th Michagan Battery D 5th US Feild Artillery from Cheasaning Mich

[@GloriaSchneider-rw4ef]

So sad.

[@lhasaroadrat9374]

There are so few films from a Southern perspective. It's like we're not supposed to register any empathy for the half of America that was destroyed by the other half. Only a small percentage owned slaves but they all bore the grapes of wrath. Another good one is Cold Mountain.😮

[@matthewskudzienski888]

How do I get a Musket sound effect? (1:15:42)-(1:15:47)-(1:15:55)-(1:16:12)

[@juanitajones6900]

The fates of Shelby and Devin do not make sense to me. I cannot recall any encounter between Union infantry and Confederate artillery during the Battle of Gettysburg.

[@SarahB1863]

Same! It was tacked on for the DVD release and wasn't included in the movie when it originally aired on ABC. It further doesn't make sense when you remember that the narrator says he's sharing the narrative his ancestor wrote about the war. It's implied that ancestor is Shelby, but how could Shelby have written a narrative of the war when he died halfway through it?

[@TheConfederate1863]

1:16:18 best acting of the fat guy on the horse 👍👍

[@haroldwright4100]

@ GeneRogers-di6cl Gene, I’m replying to your comment on 15 August 2024 from a small hamlet called Misashimurayama outside Yokota AB some 42 Km northwest of Tokyo, Japan!!! I believe the movie you’re looking for is “Santa Fe Trail”!!! It was produced in 1940 & starred Errol Flynn (J.E.B. Stuart), Olivia De Havilland(Kit Carson Holiday), Ronald Reagan (George Armstrong Custer), Raymond Massey (John Brown), Alan Hale Jr. ( Tex Bell, TV series- McHale’s Navy), Van Heflin & a slew of other actors!!! Hope I’m right!!!❤😮😅

[@nigelsmith2457]

Good to see Clive Warren in this. It would be good to see him in a film with Rebecca De Mornay.

[@shanebell2514]

Clive Owen.

[@nanouli6511]

Problem is, the war wasn't fought over slavery, It was fought over money!

[@tracyjohnson4486]

Finally someone who knows their history.

[@DarrenSloan]

It's a shame Custer didn't take his own advice about the saber at the little big horn some of his men might have escaped because the native Americans feared the saber

[@eldragon4076]

On that day Braves weren't afraid of anything. They were ready to defend their women and children at any cost.

[@florinivan6907]

Despite how brutal the war was it never degenerated into the mass murder of civilians. With a few exceptions like the Lawrence massacre you didn't really have wanton murder as a policy during the war. Compare this to most civil wars in which its often a policy. There was nothing like the White/Red terrors of the Russian civil war during the US one. Still not sure why though. I guess the relatively small number of irregulars somewhat kept in check this temptation. The civil war could have been far more brutal. Its most unlikely any repeat will be as 'civil'.

[@454FatJack]

Was Virginia Harpers Ferry. Mr John Brown by 2024 standars’ a terrorist. Maybe

[@keskin8512]

what accent is that at 10:25 please?

[@berhorst59]

Star Spangled Banner was not the national anthem until 1931. Rather poor research by the producer

[@dallasman9892]

The scene did not mention the song as a "National Anthem." It became a popular song soon after it was written in early 1800s, so the cadets may well have known it in 1861. Group singing was a widely practiced social activity when the song was among the best liked patriotic songs then. The US Army began to order the playing of the well known song in 1890s.

[@berhorst59]

@@dallasman9892 Francis Scott Key wrote it as a poem.

[@jamesabestos2800]

Only about once?

[@susandaniels9733]

Well,except the ones living there at that time.

[@lawrencestone2596]

How can insurance companies solicit with a stupid commercial like that for two goddamn f******years

[@brianlawliss1080]

IT MAY HAPPEN AGAIN, IF TRUMP IS CONVICTED!

[@patrickmonahan-rj2kn]

I definitely think it will.

[@davidhollingsworth1723]

I had all sorts of deep philosophical comments brewing in my head during the film but I can only quote General Sherman when he said "War is hell!" Shame of it is, no one planned to grant the slaves anything resembling civil rights including Honest Abe. The idea was to send them back to Africa - Liberia. But naturally the plantation owners wanted to keep them around as cheap labor - sharecropping and the like. Anyway, it's rich capitalists who start these wars and convince the hoipoloi that they are fighting for God and country. Enough said.

[@seashepherds4959]

Bleak as you paint the reality is/was that Negroes in the North ran business, were paid for their services and had lightyears more rights than Southern Negroes. That this film paints a rosy picture of Negro slaves as having the rights to disagree with a white person is pure BS. This opinion aptly proven by how Whites treated Negroes after the Civil War AND during the Civil Rights debate of the 50-60's and even today where in the South the Republican Party and MAGA have done their utmost to keep Negroes from voting by denying them fair treatment. The whole thing is disgraceful coming from a people who believe in Rights of Man- just not people of Colour!

[@astudley1]

What do deeply philosophical Stalinist's fight for?

[@barrycannon6025]

Wow

[@davidfessler1826]

Is there any good reason why it says 1992 at 3:16?

[@Sueb18631]

Maybe this is from an awards screener and that's the year this was eligible?

[@jonathanchartrand3351]

If you like boring movies, this one is for you.

[@rickymeadows5176]

Would love to see a more in depth remake of this following all the lives till wars end but everything has gotten so woke now that they can't make history movies anymore for fear of offending someone.

[@juanitajones6900]

WHAT? Everything has . . . what? I didn't realize that all historical drama has to be along the lines of "Gone With the Wind".

[@rickymeadows5176]

@@juanitajones6900Ah ! "Gone with the Wind" cinematic masterpiece ! Have the 50th Anniversary set.

[@conmaz]

This movie was nothing but a soap opera that would never have made it past the pilot. Bad acting, bad dialogue, bad directing and just plane stupid 🤮🤮🤮

[@paulcapaccio9905]

It wasn’t meant to be a great movie but it succeeds in making one think before knocking over statues.

[@SandraDonaghy]

I think all wars are cruel , but this was the cruelest one of all pitting brothers against each other! And I don’t mean biological brothers, I mean just brothers in general. All in the name of slavery. But it was much than that. This was political!!! I empathize with both sides! Why you might ask? Because the black people weren’t asked to be sold, their families sold them. America wasn’t the first country to own slaves. Black people weren’t the only slaves either. England sent convicted felons to other countries as indentured servants which is just another word for slavery. 😢😢😢

[@b4bluey]

Sad, Sad, Sad > Double Drama ??

[@Panman-fishing-Venture]

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[@Renfield37]

i got this movie.... its ok but its thick with rhetorical clichés.. it tries too much to be overly dramatic trying not to be obvious about it .. but it was not believable.. it seem like the whole thing was a play being put on and not like it was really happening... its not a big deal to ramble about but .. its ok i guess for people who dont know anything about the war and want to be fremillar with it but for people who do it would seem not done very well... its none of the actors faultor anything but the writing is not very good. plus it does not believable because there are not a lot of people in it for the battles

[@jamesfulwood5691]

The idea they were fighting for states rights is a shame, when states are allowed to treat race, gender or eithic group differently its not states rights. I grew up in the south and saw jim crow first hand. Separate, but the schools were not equal. The current maga states are attempting to rewrite history.

[@oldhippiejon]

They had every right to leave the union it is in your constitution just as they had every right to defend their homes from invaders, think your Independence.

[@jamesfulwood5691]

The misery the south was causing and continued to cause throughout the war was a damming wrong to america and its citizens. The states have no right to inflict such misery on its neighbors. If there is god the citizens of the south as slavers and rebellious citizens will be judged by their god. It is hard to believe anyone still supports their criminal sedition. Their are members of today's congress that are in a similar position supporting the fake electors, the criminals have not been judged yet.@@oldhippiejon

[@maceomaceo3153]

Wow, the Southern mentality never changes. The Trumpers of old are back to lose again.

[@wyattmcgee1]

Trump is a liberal.

[@patrickmonahan-rj2kn]

The democrats promoted slavery.

[@astudley1]

The eternally racist Democrat Party lives on. The Trumpers and the whole Country lost in the last rigged election.

[@occasionalquest]

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[@Katmando376]

Their first duty as Cadets was allegiance to the United States of America not the Confederate States of America.

[@oldhippiejon]

Then the first duty was to their State especially if an invading army was attacking it.

[@Katmando376]

@@oldhippiejon No the first duty was to nation🇺🇸

[@matthewwagner9350]

West Point cadets are and have always been federal troops, their only loyalty is to the United States. State Militia have an obligation to the state. Cadets that resigned to join the Confederacy were breaking their oath, regardless of their conscience. That oath they refused to take in the movie was just a reaffirmation, they had all already taken it upon entry to the school.

[@jackkarns2484]

The concept of an obligation to support the US ahead of an individual’s home state was especially slow in coming to Southerners. The North with its Federalist, strong central government attitudes was in direct conflict with the South’s agrarian oriented position that individual states surrendered their sovereignty to the US only when ALL states were under direct military threat from an international opponent. Otherwise, Virginia and each other state had superior claims to its citizens’ faithfulness. It was the Civil War that started the breakdown of this view of sovereignty and allegiance. Today we have no reasonable sense for just how strong this duty of state loyalty really was. Even those Southerners who acknowledged that the institution of slavery should be abolished still maintained great disdain toward Northerners for forcing the issue to a premature conclusion. I do not condone any of the Southerners conduct during this period. But I am certain that had many people of today been a Son of the South, they, too, would have resigned from West Point to serve their home nation-state. It is unreasonable and unrealistic to impose 21st Century morals and values onto a group living the moment some 165 years ago.

[@Katmando376]

@@jackkarns2484 get a life you're boring me🥱

[@BrionBoyles]

Yeah, this is pretty bad. Muddled and mumbled, with too much poorly written sentimental gunk. I'd say we ALL dodged a bullet. Watch "Gettysburg" or "Gods and Generals" instead.

[@alpha-omega2362]

I lasted 16 minutes.....

[@jesseowenvillamor6348]

Nah you just hate made for tv movies

[@BrionBoyles]

@@jesseowenvillamor6348 You may have a point! :-D Actually, "Hunley" was an excellent Civil War TV movie...

[@falconmoose5435]

The War Of Northern Aggression had nothing to do with slavery. I was an economic war for the cotton. Hence the Yankee blockade and Fort Sumter. Just horrible intro. Out.

[@TradingBEEofficial]

all those 1.5million sacrifises went in waste....blacks wrer not even allowed to vote in some states till mid 70s...

[@benjaminmcclatchey9814]

The myth of the lost cause. Nothing like daughters of the confederacy to try and rewrite history.

[@djangoapple8230]

Horribly made movie. Atrocious acting.

[@paulcapaccio9905]

It wasn’t meant to be a great movie but it succeeds in making one think before tearing down statues !!!!!!!

[@kieranrowbottom6072]

Should have stayed in the can awful

[@veronicaarcos5652]

En castellano hablado 😡😈🇨🇱