CLASSIC DOCTOR WHO | The Two Doctors - Part 1 | REACTION

[@markjones9020]

Patrick Troughton seemed to effortlessly play the doctor like slipping into an old pair of slippers .

[@ruairiedwards8616]

My favourite story from The Sixth Doctors’s era. The Second Doctor and Jamie, Sontarans, Robert Holmes as writer, what more could we ask for.

[@FrankNFurter1000]

AND Jacqueline Pearce!!

[@rnw2739]

AND Peter Howell's fantastic score!!

[@blakesliberator3197]

The Sontarans were introduced to us in _The Time Warrior_ during Pertwee's era. In that story, the Doctor was speaking to Linx, and he concluded that the war between the Sontarans and the Rutans had made its way to 'this planet' - Earth. Also, Linx asked the Doctor: "You've encountered our race before?" To which the Doctor replied in a very direct tone: "UNfortunately!" All this clearly tells us that the Doctor had previous encounter(s) with the Sontarans which we've never been shown.

[@Eltonlaleham]

Having jackie Pearce arch-enemy and returning arch-villain Servalan, in this Dr Who serial as the villain Chessene is awesome.

[@robertkramer2271]

What led to this episode was Patrick and Frazier had a lot of fun filming "The Five Doctors" and told producer John Nathan Turner they really wanted to make more appearances. So, the writers came up with this episode of the meeting of the 2nd and 6th Doctors.

[@FrankNFurter1000]

I've been waiting for this moment!!!!! AAAAH! Thanks once again for sharing your reactions with us, Marie-Clare!

[@alexfletcher5192]

Vague as he might be about it, the third Doctor does recall the Sontarans... as if it were in some other life he wasn't meant to recall...

[@markdavidson9100]

Pertwee continuity here, when in The Time Warrior, he answers Linx ‘unfortunately’ to the question of having him met them before

[@Problembeing]

Plus, you also have the wonderful Jaquelin Pierce, Servalan, from Blake's 7 to boot! :)

[@soupdragon1971]

I do remember how this started in B&W and shifted into colour, with what I thought was a much older version of the console. Knew who two was of course but was only really tangentially aware of Jamie apart from knowing he was in Emmerdale Farm. One of my wishes was we'd had more stories like this. Maybe every few years have an old Doctor (or companion) show up and mostly follow one of their adventures, tie it in to the ongoing story somehow. Maybe not particularly practical but a nice dream all the same.

[@kemmdog4444]

Robert Holmes, who was a vegetarian, wrote the serial as an allegory about meat-eating, hunting and butchering. "Androgum" is an anagram of "gourmand".

[@gus4u2c]

The whole season of 22 is allegory of anti-meat/pro-vegetarian. Food, eating, the smell of rotting meat are common motifs used through the season.

[@DeanStrickson]

Was he vegetarian? I thought he passed away due to something he got from bad seafood.

[@sergiocampanale3882]

@@DeanStricksonThat might have been Marty Feldman during the filming of 'Yellowbeard' a couple of years earlier, but I could be wrong. I've never ready anything about bad seafood in regards to Holmes death anyway

[@kemmdog4444]

The look of utter shock on your face was priceless.

[@paulrichards4452]

I love this story. It’s great seeing the second Doctor and Jamie back and one of my top favourite villains, SHOCKEYE! Seeing also Servalan (Jacqueline Pearce) is the icing on the cake. Great reaction.

[@jcortese3300]

I have been waiting for this reaction for what feels like FOREVER!!!!! I first saw this one at a convention when Colin Baker was still the current Doctor! I LOVED IT! The whole audience clapped and cheered at this one -- and we were expecting it!!!! The longest payoff in the show's history!!!!!

[@blakesliberator3197]

Yes, _indeed!_ The woman - _Chessene_ - is played by the brilliant *Jacqueline Pierce,* who you recognized as playing the _Supreme Commander_ in _Blakes 7._ You could hardly mistake her voice!

[@blakesliberator3197]

Marie-Clair! The prolonged open-mouth LOOK on your face at the beginning was just...a beauty! I was half expecting you to pause the episode to check that your were on the right one. I was thinking: "If only she saw the title just this one time!"

[@johng5859]

Great reaction! The Five Doctors actually led to The Two Doctors, because Troughton greatly enjoyed the earlier story and wanted to do another, and JNT had been impressed by the way that Troughton and Frazer Hines had effortlessly resumed their old chemistry in their brief scene together in The Five Doctors, and wanted to bring them both back. Luckily, Frazer was planning to take a lengthy sabbatical from Emmerdale Farm during production of Season 22, so they were able to get this story off the ground. Originally, the plan was to use New Orleans as the main setting and film there, but budgetary limitations stopped this from happening and so the action was switched to Spain. Location filming took place in August 1984, at the hottest time of the summer, which made life particularly tough for the actors playing the Sontarans. They were unusually tall in this one - the lead Sontaran, Clinton Greyn, had previously played the village headman in State of Decay.

[@t43iavmoi]

I was looking forward to seeing your reaction to the appearance of the 2nd Doctor and Jamie and as expected the look on your face was a joy to see, in fact it made me smile, even though I'd only just seen the news about the Queen's death. All the very best 👍.

[@bletheringfool]

My favourite Colin Baker story. The set you were complimenting, when they slide down into it was actually the Top of the Pops set from the 80s relit and filmed at different positions.

[@alexfletcher5192]

Bob Holmes was a trouper for adapting this story to different locations according to what was practical and affordable (it was going to be New Orleans at one point). But think primarily of Clinton Greyn and Tim Raynham as Sontarans 'Stike' and 'Varl' - enduring the heat of Spain....

[@scottmackenzie6930]

After the five doctors Patrick and Fraser enjoyed doing it they asked to come back for another story.

[@CRINOTH]

Yes, the 3rd Doctor was the first to meet the Sontarans on screen - although he recognised them when he did. :) It's just a pity that the production team here forgot that the Sontarans are supposed to be short but it's seven seasons since they last turned up in The Invasion of Time so it's maybe understandable.

[@DoctorWhoBookClub]

Many explain the Sontarans’ physical differences here due to a faulty or experimental clone batch 😆

[@ShamrockParticle]

That's more on the writer, but am amazed the script editor and unofficial historian at the time didn't contest it. The show has made more egregious errors since (e.g. they become too short and used as comic relief)

[@dancingbearandkoala9743]

Yes your correct the Third Doctor did meet the sontarons on a televised adventure but if you ever rewatch and watch that story you'll notice in the dialogue of that episode the Doctor talks as if hes met the sontarons previously.. maybe on an adventure the audience didn't see maybe? 🤔 who knows?

[@alexfletcher5192]

In a Dr Who Magazine interview in the 1980s, Patrick Troughton revealed his favourite stories (which included 'The Mind Robber'), his preference for future versus past (coming down on the side of futuristic) and his desire to return to the show in the capacity of a monster - so he would be unrecognized. He kind of did and didn't get his wish. His third return to the role since 1969 (and only the third of his appearances to be scripted by Robert Holmes) coincided with an upsurge in interest in the black and white era. Back then the likes of 'Tomb of the Cybermen' and 'The Web of Fear' were looked on with the kind of reverence usually reserved for first editions of the King James Bible, because they didn't (as far as we knew) exist. Their reputation turned the novelizations into essential reads. But here the 2nd Doctor is back again in the flesh - accompanied, this time, by James Robert McCrimmon (Frazer Hines - released from Emmerdale Farm) in one of my favourite pieces for him.

[@MarkSW]

5:33 I agree. This music is the best Sontaran theme.

[@GreatHealer.]

Remembering back to The War Games finale how upset you were, and at the time thinking as I am sure others were too, don't be too sad he returns for a few!! :) Time is relative..!

[@cameronkerr4166]

This episode is amazing and I think helped me to like Colin bakers doctor more. Love the banter between the doctors it’s on point. Btw you are right Jacqueline Pearce who plays servalan in Blake’s 7 stars as chessene in this story.

[@Jamestopboy]

This episode and The Five Doctors back up the Season 6b theory, which states that Two was *not* immediately banished to Earth and was forced on missions on the Time Lords.

[@arkthegreenwolfx3627]

And than regenerated into The Fugitive Doctor which was than replaced by the Timelords with a new Regeneration being The 3rd Doctor

[@Jamestopboy]

@@arkthegreenwolfx3627 No, the Fugitive Doctor is pre-Hartnell.

[@julieeverett7442]

@@Jamestopboy no shes not, shes between 2nd and 3rd. The suggestion for this, is her TARDIS is a police bx, but it became a police box when 1st came to Earth and blended in, but she doesnt know what a sonic screwdriver is. 2nd used it for the 1st time in web of fear, about half way through his run, but very rarely

[@Jamestopboy]

@@julieeverett7442 Officially confirmed by the comics; she's pre-Hartnell - she comes to Earth in 1962 and considers it a "backwater" planet. As for the TARDIS, it was taken from her when she was eventually caught and returned to it's normal style.

[@awall1701]

Would have loved to see Shockeye on Master Chef!

[@tonyb2600]

🤣🤣🤣👍🏻

[@alexfletcher5192]

John Stratton (Shockeye) is one of a number of actors in Who sometimes treated highly simply for having starred in one of the seminal BBC sci-fi productions of the pre-Who age. In this case, 1957's 'Quatermass and the Pit' by Nigel Kneale. This is the kind of vintage show that might stand examination after the more modern stuff has been responded to, since you can see the roots of what was to come...

[@jonathanmurphy3141]

Many of us, have been waiting -for you to get to this story 😉⏰

[@robert_bbiii]

The reaction we have all been waiting for. The birth of the season 6B theory

[@kIdeoCash_TMG]

No that started before the 1st doctor

[@robert_bbiii]

@@kIdeoCash_TMG Well the reaction I have been waiting for as I know how much she loves Jamie and the 2nd Doctor As for season 6b. It started after this, since there was no season 6 before the first doctor, 6B started in the discontinuity guide.

[@whobp8]

I've been looking forward to you reacting to this for a long, long time. 😃 Patrick Troughton and Frazer Hines had had a lot of fun appearing in The Five Doctors, (even though Frazer was just a brief cameo) so the production team invited them back to do this story. Well spotted recognizing Jacqueline Pearce from Blake's 7. It was a last minute decision to call this The Two Doctors, it was originally going to be called The Androgum Inheritance. The name Androgum is an anagram of gourmand as they're obsessed with food. While Dastari is an anagram of TARDIS.

[@sergiocampanale3882]

Indeed ... This story went through many changes mostly due to circumstances. However, it did end up with the perfect set up and of course one of the most perfect and iconic 'villain' pairing ever, the magnificent Jacqueline Pearce and John Stratton as Chesnee and Shockeye .... No wonder the show ended up being about them and their escapades while the other characters tended to become background figures. Plus it was an early example of 'bait and switch' with the Sontarans who are still sold today as the main enemy when they are just patsys who are played by the Androgums.

[@eddherring4972]

Happy coincidence that the 3rd Doctor is shown to have met Sontarans before and now we know when that was. Sontarans are supposed to be short and powerfully strong due to the gravity on their home planet Sontar. Unfortunately this has been overlooked here. It was corrected in Nu Who where Sontarans are more or less consistently short. With Kevin ‘Cho-Je’ Lindsay having played Linx, Styre and the Sontaran Marshall there was some obvious continuity regarding height however he passed soon after Experiment (2 months after transmission) and casting was just down to who was available regardless of their height.

[@Cruithneach]

I've been looking forward to your reaction to this one. It's not just Pat Troughton and Frazer Hines, but it's written by Bob Holmes!

[@alexanderfinch4432]

The body on the floor was a separate Androgum. Orange eyebrows and warts are their facial characteristics, except Chessene who's been technologically augmented and so has lost her facial characteristics.

[@neilmcdonald9164]

Servalan in all but name...🎩

[@TheNoiseySpectator]

Hello, Marie Claire. I wanted to offer you my condolences on the loss of your beloved Queen Elizabeth II. I usually consider Monarchs to be an archaic throw back practice to a time when Might made Right, but Elizabeth II truly brought to being the phrase "a Noble Soul". 😢 Were I one of you, I would now lock up Windsor Castle and send for the demolition crew. Dianna would have been close, but her scion will not come close to being equal to her, and I don't think they qualify even as "good enough".

[@mdatkinson92]

I've been waiting for this!

[@WayneMueller-ie7wu]

What a great combination! Robert Holmes hands down the best DW writer of any era, the casting and location was a Holmes run!

[@markbelsom3174]

Been waiting for this reaction.

[@davidlow862]

This story so utterly throws continuity to the wind where The Second Doctor is concerned that a rather intriguing fan theory called "Season 6B" has been created to try and explain it all.

[@hornorsilk2901]

6b already existed before this story. It was done in the comics

[@papalaz4444244]

@@hornorsilk2901 and now Big Finish have a 2nd Dr 6b series

[@SuperClarky666]

I was shouting at the screen yes its a multi doctor story now concentrate marie claire😀 i love the story👍🏻bit bonkers but🤷‍♂️

[@SYLTales]

Another reaction I've been waiting for ... 😇

[@joshuajoshua2732]

No The Second Doctor never met the Sontarans during his tenure this is the only time the Sontarans first appeared in the first episode of Pertwee's final season "The Time Warrior". The theory as to why The Second Doctor and Jamie are here its referred to in fan theory Season 6b that the Time Lords sent The Second Doctor on a mission seconds before his regeneration and Jamie before his memory was wiped and sent home but then they mentioned Victoria which makes the timelines ten times confusing and not Zoe so its assumed its an off-screen adventure but it doesn't explain why Jamie is older and The Second Doctor is grey if that's the case so nothing about this adds up which is really not worth examining we just accept that their there on a mission. I love the scene where the black and white transitions to colour as a nice little tribute as all of the Patrick Troughton episodes were black and white. The villainess in this story yes that was the same woman out of Blakes'7 Jacqueline Pearce. The 1980s were crazy times for Doctor Who.

[@TaliesinapCerridwen]

As I understand the irl explanation as to why #2 is working for the Time Lords is Robert Holmes got confused and thought it was #2 who went on missions for them rather than #3 and #4 and didn’t bother to look it up (being a mere mortal he was likely just not in the mood since imo this story screams “Damn it Robert! You’re so much better than this!”). The more imaginative fan explanation (which is I hear semi canon nowadays) is that the celestial intervention agency nabbed #2 when he was about to be exiled and force regenerated and let him go on his way in return for the occasional favour, even sweetening the deal by reuniting him with Jamie and Victoria. Eventually (perhaps because #2 kept trying to cut ties with them or because the high council found out and put an end to the deal) the original sentence was enforced. I hear Big Finish followed through with this in a box set called “After The War Games” and I hear alternative explanation is explored in a story called “Black Hole?” Someone pull me up if I’m wrong.

[@Joey15811]

By a long shot his worst. Didn’t check facts, too long and drags alot. Seein 2 and Jamie again is ino this stories only saving Grace but still the worst Sontaran story or the show. Give me Space Pirates over this story

[@eclecticdog2k901]

I love this story! I’ve been looking forward to seeing your reaction to it 😁 It’s my second-favorite in the season after Vengeance on Varos, although I do think it’s another offender in the crime of “Part One drags a lot”, which I think only Varos and the story after this one fully avoid this season. I’m a big Sontaran fan and while they don’t visually look their best here, due to the writing and characterization, it’s my favorite appearance of theirs in Classic Who (and was my favorite overall on TV until Flux came along). In other media, the novel Lords of the Storm and the audios Starlight Robbery, The First Sontarans, Heroes of Sontar, and Terror of the Sontarans are also favorites of mine. Lords of the Storm is probably my favorite Sontaran story overall.

[@gumdeo]

A great idea for this story, it's always nice to see Two again.

[@garyrussell6614]

The last set seen was actually the top of the pop's set at the time reused by the BBC.

[@TheGava4]

02:10 you ….😳😳😂😂😂😂😂

[@NyderOfSkaro]

The super tall Sontarans are odd, but otherwise there's very little not to love here, from the sets, to the dark humour, the story, and cast. A favourite.

[@neilmcdonald9164]

At end of Who,B7 aside,you have the self-delayed Shada...🎩

[@eclecticdog2k901]

I love this story! I’ve been so looking forward to your reaction to it 😁 It’s my second favorite of the season after Vengeance on Varos. I do find it’s another offender in the “Part One is too slow” book in this season, something that I think only Varos and the story after this one really avoid. I’m a huge Sontaran fan and while they’re visually not the strongest in this story, I think it’s my favorite Classic portrayal of them writing- and characterization-wise. It was my favorite TV portrayal of them in general until Flux!

[@powerspyin2]

I was waiting for this one

[@benbastianiartmusic1421]

I love seeing Troughton although it was a bit too soon after The Five Doctors for me.

[@Eltonlaleham]

This story is awesome in billions of ways and it features Jacqueline Pearce arch-enemy and regular arch-villain Servalan as the villain Chessene and she is awesome in the 2 drs and also the 2 drs is an improvement on the previous story Mark of the Rani which would have been better if only the Rani had been the villain without the Master who in that story was wasted

[@joshuaverran9443]

The small Sontarans are basically a NuWho thing.

[@swilliams937]

This is one story where seeing the titles in advance would've been helpful. 😉

[@thomasstevens2746]

My favorite Colin episode

[@Beowolf1uk]

I have been waiting for you to get to this :)

[@Problembeing]

The short Sontarans are a fairly NuWho thing. If you look back at the classic era, they're mostly taller, except for Kevin Lindsay, I think.

[@kevindurham7590]

Blakes7 vs Sexton Blake?

[@geoffmason7215]

3 did say in The Time Warrior that he had met the Sontarans before and later....much much later 13 meets tall sontarans ( or is my memory bad )

[@joshsimmons6156]

Glad you like the episode....also i actually I just finished reading the book that was on your bed in the video. Hope you are enjoying because i loved it!

[@TheNoiseySpectator]

I though that was a thesaurus. What book was that?

[@joshsimmons6156]

@@TheNoiseySpectator The Family Upstairs by Lisa Jewell

[@TheNoiseySpectator]

@@joshsimmons6156 Upstairs; it sounds like it's similar to the diary of Anne Frank.

[@jersefoole]

10 minutes of 'what's going on' .A reason to know the name of the episode.

[@MarieClaresWorld]

If I knew the name then my reaction would have spoiled 😃

[@davidpo5517]

This is the first time I caught the phrase "third-zone governments."

[@bananasaregood8655]

Man i knew this reaction was gunna be a good one. I think season 22 might be one of you’re favourites in the end. Troughton and hines slip back into there roles effortlessly. Even tho fraser hines was in his 40s by this point and they didn’t dye troughton’s hair black. Sontaran theme is epic! Only thing that bugs me is the bad continuity. Some fans believe in the season 6B theory that the second doctor went on missions for the timelords between his trial and being exiled. But i just can’t gel with that atal

[@papalaz4444244]

In this story it's stated the 2nd Doctor is helping the Time Lords as "the price of his freedom". And the TARDIS has a remote control. It's also a Robert Holmes story. DASTARI But you still act on their instructions? DOCTOR It's the price I pay for my freedom.

[@tenmark7055]

Canon be damned, I still like this one

[@ftumschk]

It's said that this story was written by Robert Holmes because he was a vegetarian, but that wasn't the case. The idea that he was a vegetarian is/was a popular story trotted out by some people on the conference circuit, and it's kind of stuck (Nicola Bryant even repeats it in the DVD commentary). However, in an interview quoted in his biography, Holmes says: "I had this vegetarian theme running through [The Two Doctors]. I was trying to point out how filthy it is to eat all this meat, although I’m not a vegetarian. The things we do to animals!" So, whilst Holmes was sympathetic to animals and vegetarianism, this didn't arise because he was actually a vegetarian himself.

[@moshly64]

If you are looking for something else to watch, I'd suggest the original 1980? BBC Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy, only problem is its only 6 episodes.

[@normandavidtidiman9918]

Peri looks like she's being violated at the end of the episode 😳

[@plasticmancvoguish8390]

Season 6b……..

[@seanryan3020]

I have mixed feelings about this story. It's one of Frazer Hines' best performances as Jamie but one of Troughton's worst as Doctor #2. I liked the fact that the Sontarans were brought back but not how they were portrayed in this story.

[@TheGava4]

How is it his worst? He’s not messing around as he usually did?

[@Joey15811]

Ok So Troughton is my favourite Doctor and I love Jamie. However, I HATE this story. It drags alot and is way too long. If Victoria or Zoe featured as well it would help as How was Victoria dropped off somewhere?!

[@mark-s]

It's a shame out of all the doctor incarnations meetings this was the worst poor story from Robert Holmes 😢 but enjoyed to see the second doctor and Jamie one last time

[@normandavidtidiman9918]

The sontarians look is rubbish in this story

[@GreatHealer.]

Think rubbish is a bit harsh. But.

[@normandavidtidiman9918]

@@GreatHealer. How would you describe it then?

[@GreatHealer.]

@@normandavidtidiman9918 um well its your opinion, not rubbish tho.

[@normandavidtidiman9918]

@@GreatHealer. Well clearly you haven’t any opinion 🙄

[@GreatHealer.]

@@normandavidtidiman9918 actually I was trying to be polite. They are certainly not rubbish no. Better than invasion of time for sure.

[@ianbuckley2347]

I don't like this one very much. It's great to see the second Doctor and Jamie again but I reckon the story is padded and poorly directed. The first bad story of the season.😕 Another great reaction though Marie-Clare.👍