Classic IRON! Ford Dagenham Diesels that can CYL SHUTDOWN! Dovers, Dorsets and the Differences.

[@tommepham2267]

Keep the old school diesel content coming please ❤

[@johncunningham4820]

Great to see a Knowledgeable YOUNG Man that values the Venerable Antiques from a different Era . Back when " Keep It Simple " meant Just That .

[@orionrodi]

I got 2 Sabres 212C in my Powles 36, from 1977. It's still the same engines, and they still starts and run smoothly, after 6-7 months of stilstand during the winters. I love the fact, that there is no electronic to control the injection, like the new diesels.

[@allistairc123]

Super interesting video to us tractor guys , as you know basic versions of these engines used in old Ford tractors and British companies that used Ford tractor skids (Muir Hill , county, roadless etc). Super thanks!

[@syncrosimon]

Don’t have a boat, but find your engineering explanations very interesting. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.

[@dukwdriver2909]

Ford Dover inclined diesel engines. I remember the truck version in the "new" D series when I was shunting chassis cabs of transits and trucks for a body builder in Watford in the 1960s in addition to being the stores driver. Tight vehicle park and even tighter work bays with pillars. Taught me tight, accurate parking maneuvres that have lasted me for life.

[@richardroberts8742]

The Dover engines were a good step forward from the Dorsets and even more reliable. Sabre did a lot of modifications internally to these engines which are not visible until you strip them down. The main bearing caps were modified of changed and fitted with a brace, there were also a different piston oil cooling system fitted that squirted oil right up into the bottom side of the pistons. Pretty sure many of the high powered marine engines had chrome liners and cast iron piston rings with low compression pistons to help control the peak ignition pressures at high power so beware of what pistons and rings you fit if OEM are not available as you could easily do some big damages. The test plan for the injection pumps was only known to Hendy Power as they helped develop these engines, Sabre or Mermaid did not have the test plan and all had to go back to Hendy Power for overhaul, not sure if the test plan is publicly available now though. Mermaid were also in Dorset. Lister Petter was a very British company and based in Dursley, Gloucestershire, they also built Blackstone ESL engines which were then know as Lister Blackstone.

[@alexbrauninger3687]

Yep lots of sabre specific modifications as you say. Some of those parts are therefore not available anymore

[@matui6983]

The Testplans were availiable for a while. Ive still got and use them for all the pre '88 and post '88 Sabre engines I do here in NZ.

[@petere6665]

@@matui6983can you overhaul the pumps. I have a 380 natural in a loader. Sth west Australia

[@matui6983]

@ Minimec pumps fitted to D-series or Dovers are simple easy to rebuild units. The 380's were also fitted with DPA rotary pumps and also Bosch inline Pumps esp if a "sloper" engine. All the injector pumps on those engines regardless of make or style have both good and bad points.

[@jameshaskell6572]

I am a marine diesel tech I specialize in man diesel. We have 8,10,12 cyls that all use the p7100 base injection pump and they all have cylinder cut out. Check them out they are really impressive. We have a 6 cylinder but they didn’t cut out cylinders at idle but did advance timing In the pump. The v engines used a mechanical advance for the pump on the cam gear that drove the pump.

[@kindkoun]

Lister and Petter are British, they were 2 separate companies later merged into one. Lister is base in Dursley and Petter is in Somerset.

[@limyrob1383]

Around 1979 I did a stint as a management trainee at the Ford Basildon Tractor plant. The engines were built at the plant with raw castings coming in. Top pf the line was a large turbo inter-cooled 6, this was still new tech and most of these were going for export. You could buy the engines as an industrial unit but I don't know if they were available or sold for marine use. What I am pretty certain about is that the large tractor engines were all built at Basildon and not at Degenham. There was significant separation between Basildon and Dagenham and I think few if any parts were shared.

[@-DC-]

Once hit 75mph sat on top of one of them on the M1, Cargo's did us great service back in the 90's 👍

[@Hitman-ds1ei]

One thing that pops out straight away is the huge difference in balancer size between the two, an aspect that a lot of backyard engine tuners either don't know or don't pay attention to with HP changes

[@EasyRestorations]

Great video mate . Never imagined these engines making that sort of power

[@memyselfandeye1234]

Epic Knowledge .... Very Interesting ... Thank You Kindly For Sharing... peace

[@popuptoaster]

I have a Gardner 6LW, that really smokes on a cold start, there's two of us in the marina with Gardners and it has been mentioned that the office always know when one of us has started up. :)

[@insidebyte8561]

I love to see the videos on these old boat engines, I'd love to see you do some more upgrades on your boat engines

[@shopaccount6446]

Absolutely fascinating video… so much information … thank you for sharing this…

[@CJH2703]

Fascinating, keep these deep dive videos coming please 👍

[@tonygammage4314]

We’re these the same engine used in the Ford D series trucks if l remember correctly the engine in some was a NA 330 and the Turbo version was 360 cubic inch. In that fitment they were canted over to the left to let the cab fit lower.

[@keithfarrell7638]

Love the older 'simple' diesels

[@kevinmartin9432]

Excellent video😎

[@barriecole2488]

Good interesting video I knew about these engines but never came across any, I do have a 360T and a 380 in my yard was thinking about putting them in a pulling tractor but never did

[@TimKeeling-b4k]

I’m currently rebuilding a race boat with the twin sabre 320hp running surface piercing props. I love the noise and smoke these engines make

[@tobiasjacobsen_dk]

More old School diesel stuff !!! Yes marine or anything… bring it on

[@MrBrucechapman9]

Best telly out there Luke!

[@allistairc123]

The list of old British engineering companies were amazing. These have reminded. Me that we have a big old 1970s 10 ton Henley fork lift truck with Ford industrial 360 non turbo, it's a bit dead and is heavy on the smoke, so I'm thinking about slapping a turbo onto it from one of our other spare 360T for fun! Can you see any problems just slapping a turbo on vs swapping complete 360t in?

[@DieselPumpUK]

Head stud size is a downfall I would see short term, the n/a dorsets had smaller bolts and as they are notorious for a bit of h/g bother it may be worth considering. That all said I would try it anyway haha

[@allistairc123]

@DieselPumpUK legend thanks, I'll maybe slap a video together for a bit of fun "tuning ten ton forklift ha ha ha cheers happy new year

[@DieselPumpUK]

Definatly I would love to see that

[@Thealpha-w7u]

This guys knows 👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻

[@oscarwalton1188]

You might look a 6bt Cummins piston it may have a similar bore the 5.9 is 360 Cid itself and has extremely good aftermarket support.

[@matui6983]

Dorset or D-series came with pressed steel timing covers or cast iron timing covers if a half engine speed waterpump was fitted to the front of the injector pump gearwheel.

[@grahamjones-r7r]

hi luke had something similar in some of the old coaches always had problems with smoke come mot time, but a couple of gallons of central heating oil and turning the smoke box down usually got it through.lol..

[@Willard05]

This is probably the strangest comment I have ever made on a KZbin video but could you please make a video about old school Perkins diesels like the 6354 and the 4236 as these are some of my (yes I’m actually going to say this) ‘favourite diesel engines’ 😂

[@paulfreeman4557]

I used to work on Ford 360t engine's in ford trucks they were only rated at 140hp and regularly blew head gaskets, to get double that power from essentially the same engine they must have done a lot of work on gasket/ head clamping.

[@carabara3947]

Enjoyed That Takes Me Back To When I Worked On Them As Ford Coaches In Their Upright And Slant Versions Almost Every One Of Them Would Blow A Head Gasket Eventually Think Then Head Bolts Were 120 lbs Torque Or The Injection Pump At Certain Revs Would Make The Engine Shake With A Bub Bub Bub Sound Single Piston Compressor Along With The Chassis If It Moved Or Flexed It Broke To Soft But It Was Better Than A Bedford YMT

[@landiv8]

I have had a brand new boxed 4cyl version of this engine badged as a lister petter painted in lister green ex navy surplus around 15 years ago. I think some of the later ford / new holland engines were also branded lister petter. I have come accross sykes gp200 water pumps with lister badged ford engines.

[@stuartrich4574]

Just discovered your channel, what an interesting view

[@nzprobation]

Still have the 360t 150hp Dorset in my boat, was second hand out of a D series tip truck. Smokes on start up as they all do but clears once warmed up. The 360t had the cast iron liners and the 363t chromed ones, they smoke even worse.

[@BurchellAtTheWharf]

Love to get one fer my boat in 14:53 NovaScotia fer my little boat, but i got a perkins 4.236, N/A wonder if i should put a small turbo on it, and what wood aye kneed?

[@reesewilliamson3346]

Find a Massey tractor with a turbo on it and steal the turbo and the injector pump. Should bolt right in.

[@BurchellAtTheWharf]

@reesewilliamson3346 o gots a massy, but no turbo, but that's a good idea, but I noticed that their blocks and exhaust manifolds mount differently,

[@RuthNewstead]

We had a 6354 T perkins on a bw 72c for years in our work boat 170 horse never blinked 🤠

[@CraigsGarage-r3d]

brilliant, love engines, im like you but with car engines lol, got quite a few v12 and straight 6s lying around that i cant part with, could talk about them all day

[@TheBlibo]

Hi many years ago I was a commercial vehicle mechanic and seeing those engines brings back memories not all bad. I was under the impression that both the Dover and Dorset engines were in production at the same time one a 360 inch unit and the other a 380 inch also one was available as an agricultural unit for tractors, please correct me as I am probably wrong

[@gavTFSi]

Lister Petter based in Dursley, Glos. The site of the old foundry is now a housing estate aptly named Foundry Rise

[@AttitudeCharter]

This is what KZbin is all about - extreme niche content. Thanks for subscribing to us.

[@jons6125]

Disappointed this wasn’t the start of a series increasing the hp of your boat but great video non the less

[@mouse66]

The size of the inlet ports is also a good way to tell them apart. The Dorset’s have little ports and Dovers are much larger.

[@andrewsmart2949]

the one on the right has that giant fluidamper,the 380 was a truck motor and ive never seen lister petter on the side of a truck block,the brazzian diesel is crossflow with the sabre head

[@Daniel-i2g3t]

Good stuff

[@julianchambers8372]

Hi and yes mate I had a pair of Sabre 150s in my boat. Many ideas of how to reduce the smoke most of which didn't work.

[@jabberwockytdi8901]

Lister Petter were based near Gloucester - Dursley?

[@autobootpiloot]

One more thing to add: in a boat the propeller determines the amount of horsepower that’s being used. You always need to upgrade the propeller accordingly. If you go from a 180 to a 350 and keep the same prop, it’s going just as fast and the engine will not deliver max horsepower. Same thing the other way round. You can also overload the engine with a propeller that’s to heavy. Getting it all right is a true science. The desired speed of the boat, the rpm of the engine, the gearbox, rpm of the propeller and size of the propeller all need to match. Not many companies can to that but the difference can be huge.

[@offshore_fishing_and_boats]

Tis a tricky part but the computer prigrammes for prop size and pitch do work, i was easily getting max revs and in fact too many revs (over 2500rpm) with my props so i resorted to the computer program for my boat set up. Sure enough it agreed but the change i made to the props what just "chuck another inch on the pitch" 😊 Came out perfect. Just gets 2500rpm and speed gone up about 2 knots. All empiracal in practice, we dont want to buy new props that's about 4 grand...😂

[@autobootpiloot]

@ for regular boats it can work, but as soon as it’s something special, or you’re limited in something it tends to fail. In my experience even the professionals don’t know the science exactly. If you ask three different specialised engineers on a difficult case you get three totally different propellers and totally different performances. Experience with the type of boat is key.

[@offshore_fishing_and_boats]

I still have a pair of 225L sabres in my boat and they are staying. I am told by sabre engineers that the 225L is 225hp at the crank and its the same engine as the 180C its just that the 180hp was the final drive power.... not smoky at all in the later models

[@Rinkydink73274]

Brilliant..👍

[@getprogamer]

Hi I was wondering if you could make a video how to set up the Engine Timing Pointer correct. (Om60x) I have been reading the shop manual but without special tools this is very tricky and i thought you may have some tricks up your arm. Have a wonderful day //oliwer

[@manuqtix8874]

13:17 No I think there is some misunderstanding here. Ok Torque isn’t what breaks any gearboxes or drive shafts It’s the rapid rise in power that damaged gearboxes or drive shafts or too much of it Torque is the force the pistons are applying on the crankshaft or the rotor is to the Eccentric shaft if it’s a rotary engine. Everything from there is power

[@jeppenordfosskristensen7319]

Super Info 👌🏻👏🏻🇩🇰🇬🇧🏁

[@stuart6973]

Like it a lot 👌🏻

[@AlanKerr-e3d]

I have twin 350c's in my tremlett 42, great old engines, but very smokey on start up, but wouldn't swap them for anything modern lol

[@offshore_fishing_and_boats]

True i am not swapping the dovers in my Lochin for anything else either

[@rickfoster3321]

I have just acquired a boat with two Ford Lehman 6 cyl 120 hp. Have you got a video on these. Also are parts still available for these. Thank you. Rick.

[@adamfletcher4262]

Yes parts are readily available still as he says just don't worry about cold start smoke it's normal

[@mikejensen-fogt4662]

Dang 😔 i thought this was a teaser video for an upcoming one where you swap two 350hp diesels in your boat 🤟 but i guess not 😔

[@richfoub]

Hi, trying to track down a marine exhaust for a 590E, would you have any leads?

[@danwerkman]

Got a thumbs up in the first 10 seconds

[@sarahashes9618]

Keep the old diesels alive

[@scaifefab4585]

Work on plenty of boats in brid and scarborough harbours still going strong fitted a rebult one not to long back

[@JimmyCasket02]

Still waiting eagerly for another video on that 630hp unit

[@t5jerry]

bloody hell matt, how on EARTH are you going to do a 0-60 with these ................CARWOW!

[@bufferbridge]

never knew you could get so much power out of these engines, always found them a bit gutless and very smokey in agricultural operations

[@highlandrab19]

If the injector timing is off it can cause that

[@aether-elephant]

I rather enjoyed this.. thanks

[@jaybird836]

Luke!!! In the field, with stud ,bolt holes use carb cleaner and key board duster. Check with torch/headlamp/flashlight 🔦. Clean and dry for assembly. NO FLUID. Like the videos lol boat job. I deal with so much headache. Then look at so many stupid people who understand nothing in life

[@jabberwockytdi8901]

With a marine install how much torque you actually put into the tranny will depend on the props, just swapping in a more powerfull engine with the same props and revs will not trash the transmission. It also won't be any faster. Start with a prop recommendation for your boat and the engine you want to use then it's easy to work back to what transmission upgrade you might need.

[@DieselPumpUK]

Yes thats right :-)

[@jubiletabustamanteserrano2446]

INTERESANTE

[@ianhe-kensken9303]

i ve not got a clue what he's talking about but its very interesting nevertheless

[@tommen47lavik63]

hi i am from norway and i have a engine that is called ford sabb same type but marinised in bergen norway called 2704 et. 150 hp from the 70s

[@TheFlyingBusman]

As fitted to the Ford Cargo and excellent for turning fuel into noise and smoke 😂

[@Træfisk]

They sold in norway as ford/sabb

[@BurchellAtTheWharf]

Hp is top speed. Tq is the size of prop you can swing, but is limited by the drive shaft😅

[@BurchellAtTheWharf]

14:14 I think it's 1 inch of shaft fer every 100hp And fer every 10 inch of prop, it's a reduction in gearing 20/20 prop has a 2:1 reduction 350hp with a 4.5:1 reduction can swing a 52d-48p blade but needs that 4.5inch shaft. A boat load of math 😆

[@DieselPumpUK]

In a planing craft you would more likely see a 1.5 ratio and a 2 inch shaft with that power.

[@BurchellAtTheWharf]

@@DieselPumpUK yes, I'm just use to commercial fishing boats. But have a love fer these old Ford's.

[@BurchellAtTheWharf]

@@DieselPumpUK and that would be swinging a small diameter prop like 9-16 in , at a 1.5 ratio with a 2" shaft

[@offshore_fishing_and_boats]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/fHjPqoCGr7d5ZqMfeature=shared They arent all smokey on start up these are my 225L dover sabres

[@marksam6824]

Fit the 6 cylinder JCB

[@diegojoseramirez7402]

Fuuuuuulllllll español me encanta

[@bigbilly29]

carrot explains diesel colorized

[@jonathanrobinson73]

You are a genius ...i want to have your babies . Maybe i can convince my boss to put diesel engines in our cars....i work at Koenigsegg 😁

[@Akya2120]

How much larger are these than a 12 valve Cummins? Idk why, but the US never gets the cool shit 😢

[@DieselPumpUK]

Same basically

[@Akya2120]

​@@DieselPumpUK time to put one in my OBS truck 🤣

[@andydelassus2734]

Put it in a Miata

[@julieannecharters6132]

Terrible engines we use to call em supersonic fords,very unreliable use to blow head gaskets for fun