Classic Sonic Timeline

[@quakerdx5435]

I love what you did with the whole Mania and Forces timeline debacle. Makes it allot cleaner and less “he’s from another dimension”

[@kjbroadway9557]

Why thank you!

[@kjbroadway9557]

Today, we discuss the timeline of Classic Sonic games!

[@mober7430]

Your timeline actually makes sense. This is now my headcannon as well.

[@worldsfunniestvideosandbes3684]

Yeah, I agree with this because the original Phantom Ruby didn’t come back with the younger version of Sonic in the Adventures anime series. Also, the animated younger version of Sonic coming back during the initial scene in episode one looks like the ending scene from the end of Forces where he was waving goodbye to the present day characters. This probably means that the Phantom Ruby was destroyed by the events in Forces. And then probably both timelines merges back together again after the end of both Plus and Adventures.

[@Axxidous]

Mania definitely happened BECAUSE of Generations. It's an alternate Sonic 4, for starters as both games are described as taking place right after Sonic 3 & Knuckles in their timelines. But also, in Mania, Classic Sonic finds out about the Phantom Ruby. If Modern Sonic had already experienced this, the Phantom Ruby wouldn't be a surprise to him in Sonic Forces. This is new to him, and therefore Classic Sonic seeing the Phantom Ruby is doing so in a now alternate past.

[@kjbroadway9557]

I don’t really consider 4 to be canon because it’s an unfinished story(same logic applied to Chronicles) and there are many games that take place after 3K like Triple Trouble and 3D Blast. I just feel like Modern Sonic didn’t bring up or forgot about Phantom Ruby because how different it was in Forces. Even if he did brought up Mania, nothing he would say could help him defeat the Ruby because how it was used in different time periods, that’s just me

[@Axxidous]

@@kjbroadway9557 I mean is it though? It takes place right after the events of Sonic 3 & Knuckles and shows a cameo of revisiting Little Planet to bring Metal Sonic BACK into the series, as he initially lost in Sonic CD. Episode Metal even shows him retrieving that mysterious power source that allows him to have as much power and energy as we've seen in Adventure onward. Eggman was building a second Death Egg but Sonic and Tails defeated him and prevented it from being completed. If anything, we later see a Death Egg 2 in Sonic Fighters so... it still fits. Also it works with Knuckles' Chaotix really well, with Metal returning to the scene and making a big fuss here and then joining pretty much every game since then. Sonic R, Sonic Fighters. I guess not 3D Blast though. lol And he's in a tube in Sonic Adventure along with an updated Silver Sonic (who is actually called Mecha Sonic, much like the more advanced but similar Mecha Sonic we all know. This one is clearly also a Mecha Sonic as the design in the tube looks fairly identical to signature traits of Mecha Godzilla's design in the old movies.) If anything, I'd still say Sonic 4 is canon and this also supports Mania's existence a lot, not just being the apologetic alternative to Sonic 4 as a game, but in an alternate timeline as well. It also HAS to be an alternate timeline due to taking place after Generations, as this would set Neo Classic Sonic off his original course. In Generations, Modern Sonic is experiencing the Time Eater situation for the first time. If Neo Classic Sonic stayed on course after Generations, it would actually be Modern Sonic's second time, and that's not something he'd forget. lol As for Forces, I don't think him mentioning the Phantom Ruby would be for any practical reason so much as it would be for the audience to connect the lore. He's heard it referred to it as the Phantom Ruby and so did the other characters. At the very least, Knuckles or even Tails at least would have said something about it's sudden return. (Especially with Frontiers showing they can definitely reference every little past thing for no reason whatsoever other than fanservice). It's just for acknowledgement's sake. Oh... but I understand in regards to Chronicles. They literally said it was no longer acknowledged anymore. (Though I'm going to assume the lore in Chronicles is still officially acknowledged, just not the game itself and maybe the characters or events.) Sorry for the long reply. lol

[@kjbroadway9557]

@@Axxidous Still wouldn’t take 4 as canon because it’s incomplete. Even then, the Death Egg MK II and Death Egg 2 are different stations, not to mention that the Classic designs are the younger versions of the characters so 4 couldn’t go after 3, but before Chaotix and Fighters. With Generations, it’s a time paradox where both Modern and Classic experience it for the first time. With Forces, I don’t think them mentioning events of Mania would make it more true that they experienced that adventure as it would just be along the lines of “He’s using the Ruby again after so long” and not much. You’re good with reply 👍🏽

[@Z3RO5286]

I thought tailstube retconned the split timeline thing? Is classic still his own timeline?

[@kjbroadway9557]

@@Z3RO5286It’s all one timeline official. Mania and Superstars alongside every new Classic Sonic material takes place before Adventure 1

[@heehomgee4671]

My headcanon for the Metal Sonic debacle is that Metal is a time paradox, created in by Eggman in the future of Little Planet, and able to actually time travel due to his speed rivalling Sonic's. After this, Eggman tried to replicate him with the Mecha/Silver Sonics. After that Metal was the final evolution of this, with his appearance in Triple Trouble being his first appearance, and then Sonic 4 brought back the original Metal from Little Planet.

[@robertlupa8273]

In regards to the Sonic robots, I prefer the popular headcanon of "Metal was made with future technology, so Eggman couldn't make another one (and Metal was apparently just left to rust at Stardust Speedway according to Sonic 4, which seems reasonable to me, so he couldn't be fixed either) and thus his later robots were less advanced". That, or Metal was made with speed in mind and was only upgraded later, while the other three were made with power in mind (...except maybe Game Gear Silver Sonic, which feels like it was hastily put together just to hold off Sonic for a little longer). But your headcanon makes sense too!

[@kjbroadway9557]

I have seen that theory been tossed around and I just personally disagree with it because Eggman has the resources to make the Death Egg so it would be weird that he couldn’t rebuild Metal to me. Also, I don’t consider Sonic 4 to be canon because it’s an incomplete story(same logic applied to Chronicles) and Triple Trouble is canonically the first appearance Metal made after CD, that’s just me and you can go with that headcanon if you still agree with it!

[@robertlupa8273]

@@kjbroadway9557 Hmm, I guess you're right. We can't really have both Triple Trouble and 4 be canon at the same time without changing the former. Thank you for your response (and still respecting other headcanons even if they're wrong). 😁

[@theultimatememelord5494]

Here's my Classic timeline based off of this and what we know: Original timeline -Segasonic the Hedgehog (My headcanon) -Sonic 1 -Sonic CD -Sonic meets Tails Origins cutscene -Sonic Chaos (Features 6 Chaos emeralds) -Sonic 2 8-bit (Silver Sonic is a prototype model of Metal that Robotnik unleashed in a desperate attempt to stop Sonic) -Sonic 2 16-bit -Sonic 3 and Knuckles -Sonic Triple Trouble -Knuckles Chaotix -Sonic Spinball -Tails Skypatrol -Sonic Labyrinth (Happens at the same time as Tails Skypatrol) -Tails Adventure (Tails learns to fly in his Sonic Origin's introduction cutscene, retconning Tails Adventure happening before Tails met Sonic) -Segasonic the Hedgehog (Offical placement) -Sonic R -Sonic the Fighters -Sonic Blast -Sonic 3D Blast -Sonic Mania -Sonic Mania Plus: Encore mode -IDW 30th anniversary comics -Fang the Hunter IDW miniseries -Sonic Superstars: Trio of Trouble -Sonic Superstars

[@theultimatememelord5494]

Neo-Classic timeline: Sonic Origins (Sonic is born Mute) Sonic Generations (Classic perspective) All Classic games between 3&K and Mania Sonic Mania Sonic Forces (Classic Perspective) Sonic Mania Adventures

[@RoseSupreme]

I'm glad someone shares my theory/headcanon as to why Metal Sonic was used first despite the inferior Silver/Mecha Sonics being used after him! I don't get why anyone else never thought of this explanation.

[@kjbroadway9557]

I feel like that’s the only way to explain the robot Sonics in the timeline! I don’t really like how some would say Metal was the weakest because he died to a wall as if the others wouldn’t be crushed by the wall. It just makes sense that Eggman uses his best one first after so many trial and errors, but was surprised it lost to Sonic still so he just uses the prototypes as distractions or delay Sonic

[@RoseSupreme]

@@kjbroadway9557 Exactly. It's safe to say that following his defeat in Sonic 1 or during the game's events when he wasn't out fighting Sonic, he became obsessed with trying to make a robot that would meet his match. The Silvers/Mechas were simply older attempts which he eventually repurposed as means for stalling Sonic rather than full-on terminating him.

[@kjbroadway9557]

@@RoseSupreme Even if they gone with CD being after Sonic 3, the theory still works because GG Silver Sonic would just be the only robot to not be used when it was completed

[@RoseSupreme]

@@kjbroadway9557 Yeah. I have to say, despite being your headcanons, most of this timeline makes sense to me.

[@FadhilIMP5530_Real]

Mecha is superior to CD Metal tho, i think its explained in Scrapnik Island And also Mecha can utilise Super Form

[@Laveta_08]

You should someday do a full timeline maybe after superstars comes out

[@kjbroadway9557]

Modern Sonic games are pretty much straightforward and take place after each other besides some timeline placements like Shadow, Battle, Advance 3, Rush games, 06, and Rival games. Classic Sonic was more interesting to make a video on that section of the timeline because the canon was more loose. I appreciate the idea,so thank you!

[@ahmedshehada7679]

​@@kjbroadway9557that what i want

[@ChaosBloodNinja]

I lot of people headcanon that Generations caused a split timeline but I'm sceptical of that. Primarily because when we look at games like Sonic CD and 06 or just anything involving Silver in general time travel never causes a split timeline, it always seems to just rewrite the events of the past to create a different future. But I won't deny, Sonic canon is wrought with contradictions that make it a lot simpler to just place certain events in different timelines and it's pretty hard to reconcile Mania Adventures, Encore Mode and Forces any other way.

[@kjbroadway9557]

I agree on Silver just creating a different future similar to CD, but I also feel like it’s different with Generations since it interrupted the flow of the precedent set of games even rewriting Mania Plus out of it. That’s just me

[@khaosklub]

I think the biggest difference is that in generations, sonic met past sonic. in CD and 06, sonic never met himself. even when he went back with silver's help to just before the princess dies, he didn't happen to run into himself where he definitely existed twice at the time.

[@Xiter2024]

15:32 lol that's why Encore is the canon one

[@Springtrap-ei6gm]

-Sonic 1 -Segasonic -Sonic CD -Sonic 2 MD -Sonic 3 and Knuckles -Sonic 2 SMS -Sonic Chaos -Knuckles Chaotix -Sonic Triple Trouble -Sonic Labrint/Tails Skypatrol -Sonic Blast -Tails Adventure -Sonic Spinball -Sonic 3D Blast -Sonic R -Sonic the Fighters

[@Big_twat23]

Tails Adventure was confirmed to take place after sonic 1 but before sonic cd SegaSonic was confirmed to take place after Sonic R

[@Big_twat23]

-Dynamite Dux -Sonic 1 (16-Bit) -Tails Adventure -Sonic CD -Sonic 2 (16-Bit) -Sonic 3&K (Sonic’s Story) -Sonic 2 (8-Bit) -Sonic Chaos -Sonic Spinball -Sonic Drift -Sonic The Hedgehog’s Gameworld -Sonic Triple Trouble -Knuckles’ Chaotix -Sonic OVA -Sonic Drift 2 -Tails’ Skypatrol -Sonic 1 (8-Bit) -Sonic Labyrinth -Sonic Blast -Sonic The Fighters -Sonic 3D Blast -Sonic R -SegaSonic The Hedgehog -Sonic & Knuckles (Knuckles Story) -Sonic Generations -Sonic Mania -Sonic Forces -Sonic Mania Adventures -Sonic Mania Plus -Sonic 30th Anniversary Special -Sonic 30th Anniversary Free Comic Book Day -Tails 30th Anniversary Comic -Amy 30th Anniversary Comic -Fang The Hunter 1-2 -Sonic Superstars: Fangs Big Break -Sonic Superstars: Trio Of Trouble -Sonic Superstars -Sonic 4 E1-Metal-2

[@SirDot]

A way both Encore Mode & Mania Adventures could be canon is this: 1. End of Mania Mode: Sonic is pulled by a portal, Little Planet is unchained from Angel Island. 2. Encore Mode: Sonic is sent to Angel Island, saves Mighty & Ray. At the end, Eggman is pulled to a portal. Heavy King ambushes the five heroes, and is presumably destroyed, since he ain't fixed until 3. Forces: Sometime later, Sonic is sent to the future, Classic Eggman is sent somewhere else. They return to their time periods. During all this Mighty somehow goes missing. 4. Mania Adventures: Sonic is warped back to Angel Island, where Eggman is back to wanting the Chaos Emeralds (as the two Phantom Ruby adventures from Mania & Encore were failures). Metal Sonic is abandoned from summer to winter, and he's used in Encore so this must be after Encore.

[@anacoda8]

I have a lot of things in my mind I want to write and discuss with you my friend, but the only think I want to ask you now, is the placement of Knuckles Chaotix. In the manuals of Knuckles Chaotix the story says that the master emerald activated the chaos rings and Knuckles got there to the carnival island to check it out by him self right after the events of the s3&k. So I think it’s to far to put it in the order you put it. What do you think? Nice video by the way✌️

[@kjbroadway9557]

In the Japanese manual, it stated it was several months after Sonic 3 so a few games could take place between Sonic 3 and Chaotix during that time. Thank you!

[@Ivan210bluboi]

YOO I'M ON THE THUMBNAIL How did i not see this video before!

[@cjaawesome616]

I like your theory about metal sonic. I like to believe metal sonic was made after sonic 2 and 3 but the time stones sent metal sonic back to CD. Seeing metal sonic inspired eggman to start developing Mecha sonic and eventually metal sonic. Also I like to think little planet inspired the death egg

[@maliekfrazier3653]

I like your timeline! Makes it much less confusing. I’m still stuck on when the 8 bit games take place? I like your headcanon as well. I was thinking 8 bit Sonic 1 took place before Sonic 1 MD then after Sonic 1 MD was Sonic 2 GG, then Sonic Chaos, then Sonic 2 MD, then 3&K, then Triple Trouble, then either Chaotix or any of the Drift games.

[@Deflect-fteod2]

That's my exact timeline as well, lol. Sonic CD would be after Sonic 1 (both), and before Sonic 2 GG in my opinion.

[@maliekfrazier3653]

@@Deflect-fteod2 Makes much more sense.

[@ninjaduckog4328]

My theory about sonic mania is the fact that it might take place during sonic three because we see him going there with tails and then that’s when everything gets all mixed up then that’s where the timeline split where the classic sonic that got to experience sonic three became modern sonic and then the one that experienced sonic mania became classic sonic that we know today

[@Somethingstupid64]

I like to think that after the saturn games adventure takes place, and the other stuff (mainia, superstars, ect.) In the split timeline that generations caused. In the ending of sonic generations we see the two eggmans bickering, where classic eggman says that he wont try to use the time eater meaning that in the new timeline sonic generations never happens when its supposed to (I like to belive something similar happened with adventure and the games afterwards) EDIT: That could also be why tails calls clasic sonic "sonic from another dimension" rather than younger sonic or something similar

[@reckless_nin]

Ian said that there weren't any split timeline tho

[@TheSwordsman100]

This is the first I'm hearing of people preferring a split timeline. I much prefer the canon explanation that the timeline does not split at all. (Forces was already chalk full of continuity errors anyway, so I choose to view it as a broad strokes kind of deal) Time travel in the Sonic series up till Forces never used multiverse theory and considering SEGA is taking steps to undo the Meta Era and go back to the more solid continuity I doubt Mania Adventures is canon. Personally I also would've put Mania at the end of the Classic era as it sets up the staus quo seen in Sonic 4. (assuming that game is still canon despite never being completed) Aside from that I think your attempt is pretty solid.

[@kjbroadway9557]

I prefer a split timeline when it comes to Generations Mania because it wouldn't make sense for Sonic not to remember that he would time-travel to help his future counterpart twice. Time-travel theoretically could have causes multiverse theories in Sonic, but not explored. Like, in CD, Eggman causing a Bad Future, he won against Sonic in a sense. Sonic rewriting it for Little Planet to have a Good Future is now set in stone of the timeline if that makes any sense. I don't think Sega is redoing the 2010s because Frontiers references Lost World and Forces.

[@TheSwordsman100]

@@kjbroadway9557 To be fair in Forces Sonic didn't seem that surprised to see his younger self. I'm sorry but that doesn't make sense to me. If that was the case from what I understand both the bad future and good future would coexist instead of the good future being set in stone. Multiverse theory would also make Silver not make sense and his efforts utterly pointless. Oh sorry let me clarify I don't think the Meta Era will be made non canon but that we returned to a direction similar to how things were handled in eras that preceded it. Just like how the past games are still canon to the Meta Era (as seen in Generations for instance) even if that era itself was not concerned with its characterization and plot.

[@kjbroadway9557]

@@TheSwordsman100 That wasn't the best use of words on my part. I feel like they both Good and Bad Futures happened in separate timelines, but Sonic made sure his timeline is a good future. Granted, exploring the Bad Future timeline is irrelevant since the Sonic we're following saved Little Planet. Silver does get affected since his backstory was rewritten to where he first appears in Rivals and I think the split timelines still happen, just in a more "What-if scenario". Like him going back to the past to cure the Metal Virus and save his future, but there is a future where they all failed(even Sonic pointed this out when he saild that Silver is needed to save the world). That's just me

[@TheRealRobloxNoobie]

I mean like, they’ve only went super, like the cyan emerald, you can climb, swim? I don’t know but, you can go up waterfalls, witch they’ve never done before superstars. Hopefully this comment makes my question make sense to you, by the way, keep up the good work!

[@kjbroadway9557]

It’s just a gimmick for the game, but I just felt after Superstars, Sonic and friends realize how circumstantial the abilities are where they are not really needed. For example, one power reveals that one can slow down time, but Sonic wouldn’t need that now due to how much faster he is and Chaos Control exists

[@SSpeedyCarter]

Love these headcannons

[@joeker5208]

I know you did this with your own headcanon, but I just would not be me if I did not at least point out what I thought was off 1. GG S2 just can’t work. Sonic and Tails know each other, even though S3 is now confirmed by Origins to directly take place after S2. There’s also only 6 Chaos Emeralds, and Sonic can’t do a Spindash. So it can’t be before or after S2. P.S. the Sonic 2 robot is called “Mecha Sonic.” The GG one is “Silver Sonic.” 2. The Tails games can’t work, as Tails Sky Patrol takes place after he’s met Sonic, yet the shy kid can apparently takedown villains by himself, when that definitely gets retconned with SA1, as that’s the whole point his development. I know you said you were only covering the Classic Games, but I didn’t know if you meant you were looking at these games in a limbo where 1998 never happened. Cause if we are going with that logic, than I guess many games can be okay since the number of Chaos Emeralds is not solidified until the Adventure games 3. Sonic going back to South Island doesn’t make any sense with the Japanese lore established in Sonic 1, as the Sonic Team games always describe Sonic as a world traveler with no home. Something even Modern Sonic is, as TailsTube has confirmed Sonic has no home. So him being on South Island in a lot of the GG games doesn’t make any sense 4. Although I get your reasoning, none of American Lore is canon to any of the games. 5. I have not heard of any official word talking about the timeline placement of SegaSonic. So please let me know where you got that information. But that aside. SegaSonic taking place before Sonic 1 could actually make sense, as the Japanese manual of Sonic 1 says that Sonic and Eggman have already fought before, and that him putting animals into robots is a new thing. So a game where Eggman is merely capturing animals and not turning them into badniks could fit for SegaSonic. 6. I will note that the Japanese manual takes place on the Planet Mobius, that Sonic, Tails, and Eggman travel to. Meaning that the planet Mobius is just another world besides Earth. 7. This video was made before TailsTube #5, where it is confirmed that Chaotix is canon. And the Jap manual makes it out that it happens extremely close to Sonic 3. As the aftermath of Angel Island landing in the ocean makes a new Island appear from below, where Knuckles and many others go to investigate it, and they run into Eggman. 8. Your Classic timeline, although I understand where you’re coming from, this still doesn’t work with the official canon, where it’s stated it’s all one timeline, with Flynn saying that Sega almost did a split-timeline, but that got scrapped and now we’re back to just having one timeline I haven’t read any of the Classic IDW books, so I don’t know how they touch on the canon

[@kjbroadway9557]

1. I feel like saying Sonic not doing a spindash in GG S2 is irrelevant where there are some games where he doesn't have specific moves. Like, in Superstars, he doesn't have the insta-shield and super peel out, but the game still takes place after 3 and CD. The six Chaos Emeralds isn't that big of a deal when you realize Chaos and TT also make you just collect 6. 2. What people forget is that while yes, he took down villains like Witchcart and Battle Kuuku, these foes are nothing compared to Eggman. Eggman is an downright vicious and dangerous adversary because he's THE big bad of the franchise(In SA1, he was going to nuke Station Square as a Plan B to build Robotnikland). Witchcart and Kuuku are way lower on the scale in-comparison as they seem like Saturday Morning Cartoon villains. In retrospect, Witchcart and Kuuku are tests for Tails while Eggman is the Final Exam. Even then, the IDW sequel to the Tails' Skypatrol still depicts Tails still being dependent on Sonic as a stepping stone for his development to become independent in Adventure. 3. Yes he doesn't have a home, but he does have places he often visits a lot as a downtime which one of them is South Island. It's just a coincidence that Eggman was going after South Island 4. Don't know what to say about that 5. It was on a bumblekast back in August/September of 2022. Eh, I rather have Sonic 1 be the game where they met each other rather than SegaSonic. 6. I rather have it be a mountain named Mobius rather than another planet for some odd reason, not to mention, it geographically makes more thematic sense for it to be amountain. 7. Huh. Did not know that, but if it's extremely close like taking place just a few hours after Sonic 3, seems crammed for a timeline, personally speaking. 8. This is just a fun video and what I would do if I was in control of the timeline Thanks for commenting!

[@joeker5208]

@@kjbroadway9557 1. I somewhat feel that’s fair, but Sonic has one-off moves in almost every game, but I think the Spindash being absent is a little more notable that say the absence of Time Stop and Time Break in games post-Secret Rings 2. Those would just mean inconsistencies in those games, and they could just be none canon. Saying that Fang is in Superstars does not have to mean that Triple Trouble is canon. It can just mean that the character was brought into canon, no different than Sticks be brought into game canon. 3. Yeah Eggman is a more menacing threat than Witchcart and the Battle Kuuku, that doesn’t really matter, as the point was that it’s still an inconsistency that the shy kid with no confidence in his abilities is capable of taking down foes. With IDW canonizing Skypatrol, I can’t do much to concede to higher tiers of canon, but Tails’ Adventure still does not hold up with Sonic 2 4. Nothing in any games has ever said or implied that Sonic has places around the world. TailsTube just says that he crashes at Tails’ place. But Sonic 1’s manual flat out states that Sonic has no home. He merely visits areas like South Island. Later games bringing it back only points towards inconsistencies with those titles. And even in another Sonic Team game, Generations, Modern Sonic doesn’t not really remember Green Hill, even though other games have him visit it all the time. The only flaw with that you can bring up is that Classic Sonic is in Green Hill at the start of Generations, with Classic Sonic at least having to go through the Genesis trilogy. I’m not saying that Sonic could never have gone back to South Island, but Generations definitely points to the fact that he has not been there enough times to properly remember it. 5. I forget what game you used, but basically you thought it was best to choose the US version of the story of the Jap version. Which I don’t think works as blending canons to get a story that fits brings in more problems. When in reality they are two different continuities 6. I’d rather have Mount Mobius too, but I just brought up the Japanese version of the story to shed light on what they had 7. Yeah the Jap manual has the story picking up right after the aftermath of the Angel Island making contact with the planet’s ocean. It does seem that Chaotix would have to be the closest game to Sonic 3. I get that that could be weird, but I mean Sonic 3 picks up right 2, so it’s nothing out of the norm I guess. 8. And I get that, but although I do think this is still a fun and still very competent timeline of the Classic games, I did just want to throw my two-sense at it, at least when comparing it to what’s been officially established both in the 90s and now when the series is trying cement and clear up some issues with the canon

[@kjbroadway9557]

@@joeker5208 1. To be fair, he has all the moves like Spindash, Super Peel Out, in Origins. 2. I don’t think Fang is a good example to because it’s confirmed that TT is canon Superstars while Sticks always originated from a different universe 3. The thing is that this same kid was also helping destroying robots before his solo games and Adventure, so it really don’t conflict with his development 4. Still, he does visit the place afterwards and even then, it’s been a long while since he’s been to Green Hill(with the last time being Sunset Hill in Advance 3). Plus, he revisits the place a lot in Forces and IDW and that Classic Sonic was pretty much visited the island more times than Modern 5. Oh, Tails Adventure, so I went with the US version of the story since it fits best with the series overall: Tails going from fighting birds to having no confidence in Sonic 2 in the Japanese manual doesn’t make as sense as the reverse scenario for his development to make sense in SA1. It could bring problems, but I felt like there were more inconsistencies with the Japanese version of the story 6. You’re good, thanks for commenting!

[@joeker5208]

@@kjbroadway9557 1. I mean that might now just mean it’s canon that he’s always been able to do the Spindash, but my main problem with S2 GG was that it’s not consistent with the Genesis games’ stories. The Spindash was merely another point to it, but even then I’ve admitted is not as strong of a point 2. I haven’t heard of anything from Triple Trouble being canon. Again, Fang being in the game does not just mean it is canon. Unless something like IDW states or references Triple Trouble. But we’ve seen Sega bring in things that were either non-canon or from other universes into game canon. The many references to Sonic X, references to SATAM, and now Sticks being canon 3. Tails’ contributions to S2 and S3 aren’t known except for his cutscenes/Sky Chase, which has him helping out Sonic using the Tornado. And in those games, Tails is support to Sonic. Because as the manual talks about, Tails doesn’t have the courage and capabilities that Sonic does. 5. Sunset Hill homages Green Hill, but whether or not it’s actually Green Hill is not stated. Many places homage Green Hill, like Palmtree Panic, Emerald Hill, Splash Hill, Neo Green Hill, and Seaside Hill. But even then, that game has Sonic traveling around the world in pursuit of Eggman. And that game takes place before Generations, which has Sonic still forgetting about the place. Forces and IDW being in a post-Gens time period, so it’s not really relevant, as I’m showing that Sonic not really visiting and remembering Green Hill was a thing 6. I believe I said in my first comment that I do think the US version makes more sense in the grander canon, but ultimately, merging the US and Jap canons is very wonky. If Tails’ Adventure is canon, then the US version would have to be the only one to make it consistent, but i just think that there is clearly a Jap and US version of Classic Sonic lore, and mixing and matching is very weird. 7.👍

[@kirbystar500]

sega has made this series timeline and lore as confusing than drakengard/nier

[@Deflect-fteod2]

Here's my timeline: **-Sonic 1 (8-bit/16-bit, doesn't matter.)** **-Sonic CD occurs** -Sonic goes to West Side Island with his plane (Eggman finds a 7th chaos emerald in South Island while this is happening.) -Sonic Meets Tails (In Emerald Hill.) -Sonic and Tails go to South Island. -Eggman captures Tails **-Sonic 2 (8-bit) occurs. ** (Sonic has to rescue tails.) -After rescuing tails, Eggman steals the red chaos emerald from Sonic, annd Sonic and Tails have to chase him down and rescue South Island. **Sonic Chaos occurs.** -After saving South Island from sinking, Sonic and Tails head back to West Side Island. (Eggman goes to West Side Island as well, and finds out the new place where the chaos emeralds sleep. Eggman can finish constructing the Death Egg now.) -**Sonic 2 (16-bit) occurs.** (Sonic and Tails must collect the 7 chaos emeralds and destroy the Death Egg.)

[@liamconnollyst]

Interesting depiction of the classic version's timeline.

[@kjbroadway9557]

Thank you so much!

[@OliverMylers]

I know the vid isn’t about this, but, I’m making my AU based on sonic and it’s large but it’s looking great actually xd

[@michaeldunlap1032]

1:31 um... they were enemies BEFORE sonic 1 though. Technically, this is just the first time he uses animals inside machines, but otherwise they met before the 1st game.

[@kjbroadway9557]

I remember that from the Japanese manual of Sonic 1, but I just prefer that Origins rewrites it to say that is where they first met. It just makes Sonic 1 more significant in my opinion

[@michaeldunlap1032]

@@kjbroadway9557 I personally prefer the Japan manual explanation tbh, since it's the only one that actually explains why eggman places animals inside the robots. I'd say It still makes it a bit significant since it's the one that introduces animals inside machine concept that eggman uses imo.

[@kjbroadway9557]

@@michaeldunlap1032 I know, I’m just saying I just prefer Sonic 1 as the start of their rivalry, nothing wrong preferring the Japanese since that is the original source

[@michaeldunlap1032]

@@kjbroadway9557 okay. Honestly, I am sorry for sounding like a jerk.

[@kjbroadway9557]

@@michaeldunlap1032 Oh, none taken, you’re good 👍🏽

[@tailzgimer1726]

My theory of metal sonic is that his an entirely different line of robots Since metal isn’t as strong in CD as his appearance in mania or in modern media with new moves like the dark shield I think the metal sonic we see in modern media is a mark 2 as I think robotnik went back on the metal concept of robots as he realised to beat sonic isn’t through over powering hedgehog but through speed

[@JeysArcade]

This is an extremely good video! Your channel is gonna grow lots!

[@angelimondragon1607]

I mostly agree with you .

[@Ucoriorya]

Respect to the author 👏

[@TheRealRobloxNoobie]

I think superstars comes after the Genesis era because, in the final animatic of sonic origins, it showed environments similar to levels in superstars’ trailer.

[@kjbroadway9557]

I think that was just a tease for Superstars and a quiet confirmation that it was in development, but good observation!

[@gameomer1855]

I've been screaming this for a long while that Sonic Triple Trouble takes place right after Sonic Chaos also according to one of Lan Flynn 8 bit Sonic 1 is a completely different adventure than 16 bit Sonic 1 but I understand why you think that way

[@kjbroadway9557]

I remember that too, it’s just that since the stories are the exact same, I just treat 8 Bit Sonic 1 as an extension

[@gameomer1855]

@@kjbroadway9557 I already knew that that's why I told I understand

[@TheRealRobloxNoobie]

Wait, if superstars is a classic game, how would they already know how to use the emerald powers?

[@kjbroadway9557]

What do you mean?

[@SayfHafez]

I believe that Sonic Spinball is not canon at all and that Sonic Mania Plus ignores Sonic Forces and I also like to think that Sonic Generations does in fact happen in-between Sonic 2 and 3 and the fact ad I don't consider the classic IDW comics to be canon to Modern Sonic's timeline.

[@popuied6688]

Nah because they mentioned Robotnik's Mean Beans in the Sonic Twitter Takeover. A lot of the things mentioned in the takeover are actually canon to the series now, like Shadow eating the coffee beans straight with a spoon. That was mentioned again in The Murder of Sonic the Hedgehog, so I'd say that it's pretty much still canon to the games. Although the game itself still might be set in the Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog universe, his mean beans would still also exist in the game universe in my opinion.

[@kjbroadway9557]

Huh, did not know that it was mentioned in the bumblekast lol

[@thesonictheorist]

This Was Awesome! Do U Plan On Finishing This Timeline With Doing Modern Too?

[@kjbroadway9557]

Not really because Modern Sonic timeline is pretty straightforward outside of Battle, Shadow, 06, Rush, Rivals, and Advance 3, maybe IDW and Prime and MOSTH and where they fit before or after Frontiers. Classic Sonic has more loose ends in the lore to tie up which made a much more fun and interesting video to make! I’m glad you like it!

[@thesonictheorist]

@@kjbroadway9557 Tbh That Is True! I Really Want There To Be An Official Timeline.

[@kjbroadway9557]

@@thesonictheorist Maybe they will do one for the 35th Anniversary

[@thesonictheorist]

@@kjbroadway9557 I Hope So 👍

[@idriso2771]

Sonic mania ,Sonic forces , Sonic mania plus and Sonic mania adventures

[@jeromemccalla9520]

Is sonic advance and pocket adventure a classic game?

[@kjbroadway9557]

I consider Sonic Advance to be a modern game although if I included Pocket Adventure, I would have it be at the very end of the Classic Era

[@E2ForLife]

The Classic Sonic Timeline Sonic 1 Sega Sonic the Hedgehog Sonic 1 ( Game Gear/Master System) Tails Adventure Sonic CD Sonic 2 Sonic 3 and Knuckles Sonic Spinball Sonic 2 ( Game Gear/Master System) Sonic Generations ( Past) Sonic Chaos Sonic Triple Trouble Sonic Labyrinth - Tails Skypatorl Knuckles Chaotix Sonic 3D Blast Sonic Blast Sonic R Sonic Mania Sonic Forces ( Past) Sonic Mania Encore Mode Sonic Superstars Sonic Pocket Adventure

[@PossiblyAkid]

SUBBED, AMAZING WORK

[@kjbroadway9557]

Thanks for the sub!

[@smashfan3317]

You should make a full timeline. Good job!

[@kjbroadway9557]

I appreciate the idea, but I decided against it due to Modern Sonic’s timeline being much more concrete than Classic Sonic which the latter proved to be a much more interesting video to make!

[@smashfan3317]

@@kjbroadway9557 Ok. I really liked this timeline, thank you.

[@theultimatememelord5494]

Unrelated to the Classic era, but maybe Sonic 4 takes place in the Neo Classic timeline.

[@WaffleVee]

Great Video! +1 Sub

[@kjbroadway9557]

Thanks for the sub!

[@WaffleVee]

No Problem bro your one of my favorite SonicTubers!

[@heftyrumble]

Here is my head canon with evidence and some head canons. 1. Sonic Origins Collection. (This much is obvious. I will explain why Segasonic isn't here later) 2. Labyrinth + Skypatrol (We agree here) 3. Master System Quadruple (Mostly agree. In one of the Bumblekasts, Ian Flynn confirmed that Sonic 1 Master System is canon and a different adventure. So I put it after Sonic and Tails split for the first time) 4. Sonic Blast and Tails Adventure. (I do agree that Tails Adventure and Sonic Blast share a similar timeframe, being that Tails is absent. I initially thought that Tails Adventure was non canon but Origins+ has me questioning that assessment.) 5. Spinball (This changed from this video and deliberation. I initially thought that Spinball would be after Triple Trouble being that TT ends on the Tornado, and Spinball begins on it and ignored the design change. Now, I do believe that the design changes after Tails Adventure, as Tails probably would want to change the Tornado after his adventure against the Kukku Empire. Don't ask me why, it just makes sense to me.) 6. Sonic 3D Blast (Nothing much with 3D Blast, but I will say why I skipped Knuckles Chaotix later) 7. R and Fighters (Nothing really much to say other than I agree) 8. Segasonic the Hedgehog (Ian Flynn explained in another Bumblekast that Segasonic takes place after R, and I believe it takes place after Fighters too, based on their non involvement in Fighters) End of Normal Classic Era, and into Adventure Era with Sonic Advance. Neo Classic Timeline. 1.5 - Generations in Classic POV (I believe that Classic's POV is from Sonic 2 MS's adventure. Sonic is in Green Hills when the Time Eater does his thing. I note that Classic Tails doesn't show up in Generations until Sonic defeats Eggman in the Classic Era, where time is restored and Tails is no longer captured by Eggman. And yes, I believe that Sonic Gens makes an alternate timeline, and I will talk about that later.) 2-8. Games repeated 9. Sonic Mania (This has to be after Segasonic because of Mighty and Ray 'duh') 9.5 - Sonic Forces (Duh) 10. Sonic Mania Adventures. (The reason why I believe Mania Adventures is the more canon adventure than Encore is because, Encore is just the same adventure with a few color pallete swaps. Seriously, why do people think this is canon? My suspicions are confirmed in the trailers for Sonic Superstars because of one of them sporting a trap that looks exactly like the one that Eggman uses against Sonic in episode 1 of Mania Adventures) 11. Knuckles Chaotix (Ok here we go. Probably the biggest controversial take for the Classic Timeline. I think Knuckles Chaotix takes place after Mania Adventures, because in Episode 3 of Mania Adventures, Ray shows Knuckles a missing poster flyer for Mighty, and he just shrugs. He shows now recognition to the Armadillo whatsoever. Knuckles Chaotix has to go after Mania Adventures. As for the Chaotix recognizing Eggman in Heroes, Charmy doesn't know Eggman, but Espio knows, which makes sense, as he was in Fighters. I didn't mention Vector, because he most likely knows Eggman because of his worldwide broadcast of himself in Adventure 2. Even without fighters, Espio and Vector would know. The reason why I think Charmy doesn't know, was probably because it was nighttime and Charmy was sleeping during it.) 12. IDW Anniversary comics. (We agree) 13. Superstars (Yeah. No argument) Edit: Oops. Realized I forgot to mention what can make an Alternate Timeline be canon to the Modern Timeline. Well I found something extraordinary that can have both us Alternate Timeline people and Ian Flynn have what we want. The Dragon Break: A temporal phenomenon that involves a splitting of the natural timeline which results in branching parallel realities where the same events occur differently, or not at all… at the end of a dragon break, the timeline reconnects making all possibilities and outcomes truth, though contradictory to each other. This was made for Elder Scrolls, but I think it can be used well in the Sonic Timeline. Basically, in my opinion. Sonic Generations is the cause of the Dragon Break to happen and Sonic Prime will be the end of the Dragon Break, and that it will take place before the events of Sonic Frontiers, so that Sticks can be canon to the main games when Frontiers comes around.

[@scorpionpro206]

400th Subscriber here

[@NiNji_Metalsonic]

This guy need more love I’m the 2th to comment

[@kjbroadway9557]

Thanks, that means a lot!

[@NiNji_Metalsonic]

@@kjbroadway9557 hehe you need more support and I’m going to the back rooms

[@SuperBabyBros400]

bro 10k viewws? lets go

[@liltoad9050]

the phantom ruby probably made him trash at puyo puyo

[@RipsInfinity]

You didn’t mention hyper sonic😢

[@kjbroadway9557]

Dang, you’re right! My mistake

[@RipsInfinity]

@@kjbroadway9557 nvm

[@rocketanimations1980]

What about sonic 4?

[@kjbroadway9557]

I don’t consider Sonic 4 to be canon because it’s an incomplete story(similar to how Chronicles is not canon due to itself being an incomplete story)

[@rocketanimations1980]

@@kjbroadway9557 I get what you mean. Really cool video.

[@OLskewL]

They're selling Amy Rose themed Tarot cards, and these are available to your kids. Just by the way. (What...the hell - Ya'll need to PRAY and send in your complaints to SEGA).

[@Redyoshi21]

I think he took metal from the future

[@vansglitches1192]

What kind, iron or aluminium lol

[@grumatik656]

bro wtf sonic mania on sega saturn?💀

[@kjbroadway9557]

Mania was treated as a lost Sega Saturn game, so that’s why I edited the box art

[@MustafizurRahman-sp1yy]

Sonic triple trouble doesn't make sense since knuckles gets trapped instead of getting betrayed

[@kjbroadway9557]

What happened in the game is that Knuckles was working with Eggman until the latter decided to hold him hostage as punishment for NOT defeating Sonic

[@MustafizurRahman-sp1yy]

I mean I don't think that sonic triple trouble could be canon since now he is working with egg an again which makes no sense

[@MustafizurRahman-sp1yy]

Eggman

[@kjbroadway9557]

@@MustafizurRahman-sp1yy Are you referring to Fang? Fang has no issue working for Eggman as long he gets something in return, specifically jewels or money

[@Xiter2024]

Encore is canon, not Mania Plus lol

[@Super70000]

putting generations after sonic cd doesn't make sense as classic Eggman doesn't recognize knuckles or amy.

[@kjbroadway9557]

Robotnik said that when Shadow and Rouge show up. It’s likely it was directed towards them rather than Knuckles and Amy

[@Super70000]

@@kjbroadway9557 i just replayed generations recently and that make sense

[@ikemike2649]

Classic and modern are the same

[@kenishachisholm5692]

Pretty sure sonic 2 is before cd but ok

[@michaelg4981]

it isnt