Classical Education vs Liberal Arts | Is There REALLY a Difference?

[@countrygamer6096]

28:15 We all know how influential Ford was, but I've never even considered the cost. A craftsman vs a factory worker; what a distinction! Thanks for mentioning that.

[@BreezeTalk]

Yes

[@caivail4614]

“Vocationalism as a goal of schools does not even happen until the Industrial Revolution” - this point really hit me. There is so much dissonance with the concept of education when we’re only a few generations deep into the industrialized public education model. We grow up assuming this is just what school is: mind-numbing busywork for long hours in large age-segregated groups, and it feels all the more savage and unjust when one realizes that true education can be had with purpose, leisure and enjoyment than this self-destructive factory method they force-fed us with. We need our heroes, our epics, or systems creating order from chaos back, and STAT.

[@SubtleForces]

It was a very interesting point. Vocation as literally meaning to find one's calling (Berufung or literally calling (Ruf) in German, or voix or voice/calling and hence vocation in French, but also related to in-voke) has always been present in some form in any kind of education. The past just expected the stone-massons' children to learn their family's craft and therein their calling. They were not meant to carve stone, but to build cathedrals. Modern education arose in a cataclysmically changing world and had to lead people to changing vocations and therefore open the realm of the possible. But, that is exactly what the french public schools did for me. Teachers were both steeped in classics and in hard-core sciences and mathematics. They were there to perpetuate the wonders of the world. Yet, it was the most classical in terms of segregated age groups and excruciatingly long hours. 0800 to 1800 was possible. They still got the sparks flowing, because these constraints are meaningless. When I visited the world heritage site of the cloister Maulbronn, I noticed a small page with the weekly schedule of a student like Kepler. It was even longer. It was possibly harder. It was segregated by age. He still changed our understanding of our place in the world and by extension, in the universe. The issue is not the age, or the difficulty. it is wether you are seeking the truth, or not.

[@BreezeTalk]

Back again to re-write my discussion Wikipedia has a paragraph written as: A liberal education combines an education in the classics, literature, the humanities, moral virtues, and others. The term liberal education in the modern sense should not be confused with liberal arts education; the latter deals with academic subjects, while the former deals with ideological subjects. So we have 4 important terms to define Classical education Liberal education Liberal arts Liberal arts education Classical education is perhaps as the team discussed - a term to describe using the best works of mankind to deliver a free-thinking person. -- delivered in a system as described by the speakers. --- in essence similar to a liberal education using similar ideological subjects as directly below. ---- trivium + quadrivium Liberal education - the expert meaning includes using history arts, literature, mathematics, science, classics, humanities, morals, and ethics. -- to create a system of sciences or languages or education that delivers a free-thinking person. --- trivium + quadrivum Liberal arts now has a modern popular meaning as well - a modern popular meaning is history, arts, literature, mathematics, and perhaps science presented as vocational skills and _not_ as the trivium + quadrivium. Liberal arts education in the modern popular sense - delivering vocational training by using histories or arts or literature or mathematics or science or ethics or morals but _not_ delivering them in a system (trivium + quadrivium) that delivers a free-thinking person.

[@BreezeTalk]

Speaking about John Dewey is very important in these discussions too, I think.

[@michaelmilovancev1583]

Mr. Cothran, watching a Marvel/Superhero movie? I may need picture or video proof. 🙂Surely, he's sneaking in some good literature or a Great Book with him.

[@kb8990]

Arrival was excellent. I’ve thought about that one for years. Shane, get Martin to reflect on Oppenheimer on the next episode you record. I wasn’t a fan, which was disappointing. The storytelling was off-kilter to me.

[@jessicaroland4281]

Can't believe you hadn't watched Clue! It has so many great quotes for life! Lol

[@zsedcftglkjh]

SPOILERS: No.

[@rekkobold7998]

I have read that this isn't true classical education

[@memoriapress]

We would love to hear what classical education truly is as it relates to what you've read.

[@_VISION.]

So basically a classical education is mostly for Europeans. Liberal Arts would focus on more than just european thinkers and text. It's clearly eurocentric and I don't see how that is the best education for a population that is mixed and increasingly becoming less European (white) rapidly.

[@BreezeTalk]

No