Victor Davis Hanson: Was there an Ancient Cancel Culture?

[@pattyb6003]

I love seeing VDH in his dorky hats and you know that he is someone's grandpa who has been working all day outside but just has to pop inside to deliver some expert, highly cultured opinion.

[@philipbrit13]

Yup. A regular guy. Not pretentious and very wise

[@mavisemberson8737]

I'm older than he is and I remember the Cold War. also reports of the Cultural Revolution in China. The U S has not had to deal with these ideas on their own soil so much as the E Europeans and Eastern Asians.

[@philipbrit13]

Mavis Emberson And I grew up in London in the 70’s under socialist governments. Harold Wilson. James Callaghan. Coal. Has. Electricity. Car industry. All nationalized. We had strikes. Work to rule. Fire department strikes. Garbage men strikes. Power outages. Inflation and double digit interest rates. 90 percent tax over 1 million pounds that chased the producers out of the country. Not as bad as Eastern Europe however still a mess. Thank God for Margaret Thatcher.

[@tomconners8497]

Yes, No Doubt VDH has landed at the heart of the county’s matter in the reclaiming of America, he’s in the Neighborhoods of Northern California every day, that is a fact.

[@goodyeoman4534]

Love the comment. I'm a fan of VDH, from England.

[@benjamin4894]

VDH is the Clint Eastwood of the academic world!

[@themcr9658]

sure is

[@AquaMarine1000]

He does make my day, I can listen to him all day.

[@Papa0John]

Perfect analogy.

[@dentonjordan6992]

I think you mean perfect simile, not analogy. Perfect simile

[@Papa0John]

Rrriiiight. I guess. Do that often? Or just a function of lockdown. I suppose I actually do thank you.

[@randolphmaynard3093]

Victor Davis Hanson is truly a tresured American intellectual. He and the likes of Thomas Sowell, Shelby Steele,Walter Williams,and so many more conservative intellectuals that are bearers of crucial knowlege that can bring some real honesty to our cultural discourse.

[@tomconners8497]

Randolph Maynard .....amazing how all our greatest have gotten attached at the hip in a mere 6 months! And a lot more juniors are glued to their positions of conservative responsibility more than anytime in history. Wonderful if nothing else. Destiny is how I’ve looked at it for 3-4years.

[@Papa0John]

Randolph, you've named several of my favorites. I don't see that often. Good on you!

[@martinhanley9524]

Victor David Hanson for President ! He’s great !! I’m learning .

[@Mythicregard]

I've been saying that for months! VDH 2024!

[@Jennieallen415]

"Almost everybody who was significant in ancient Athens at one time or another was ostracized"--you have to love this guy!

[@themcr9658]

Agrred

[@Pseudo_Boethius]

If I remember correctly, Socrates was canceled. And it was a HARD cancel.

[@ClassicalWisdom]

Excellent point...

[@jr6200]

with extreme prejudice

[@aeg_music]

zero long term effect, though...

[@MakalaDoulos]

Good pt

[@azazel166]

Hypatia was also canceled and in a pretty brutal manner.

[@jaydouglas8170]

Victor is quite simply.... BRILLIANT-! I always watch anything that has him on. Fantastic logic and reasoning-!!

[@glenneichhorn6443]

I love Dr. Hanson. His views on tragic heroes is spot on. Pray for Trump.

[@themcr9658]

Agreed

[@caliconservative20]

Yes, the radicals eat their own. What I love about VDH is his deep humility. What a mind!

[@MrSA1829]

Excellentinterview. People want to hear stuff like this. Thanks

[@r.pittman3]

Thanks Anya! well done for letting VDH speak his mind...

[@kenweberg959]

The only thing wrong with the interview is it was to short. Could listen to VDH a long time . He brings so much to the table

[@TheCynthity]

Great interview! Love it! thank you Classical Wisdom

[@MrChristian331]

I always assumed that the "Right" liked Trump. But I understand Dr Hanson point about how the people essentially hired him to do a specific job, to right some wrongs, but never to be thanked or remembered for it. I never thought of it like that.

[@thomaspanis]

I studied Greek-Latin in high school, but I learnt most about the texts I tanslated back then and their meaning for our modern world from reading/watching Victor Davis Hanson. If you would ask me to put a picture next to the word "wisdom" VDH would be a good option.

[@apseducationamericanpopula1575]

Thank you for an interesting interview!

[@ClassicalWisdom]

Thank you! If you enjoyed it, please check out our website: classicalwisdom.com

[@tommiller103]

I love listening to him.

[@tommyodonovan3883]

VDH is the finest orator I've ever enjoyed, I know it is the message that is the important bit but the medium is very important also.... *bums in seats.*

[@tklown]

This was very interesting, thanks!

[@peterrossi3349]

My economics professor is proud

[@clairerobsin]

this is Great - I haven't even watched yet!

[@lovemusicwilltravel]

Great questions you brought up and such fascinating connections in his vast knowledge of History! This was well worth the listen. Thank you!

[@pattywolford]

Victor Davis Hanson is one of the great minds, speaking with clarity and perspective on today's culture.

[@trevorwinston5084]

Great interview, great interviewer, subbed.

[@sinjimsmythe9577]

Dunno what the issue with interviewer is. Is pleasant and polite and asks questions that allow Víctor to expand and talk, and then she lets him expand and talk, and the next question is relevant to the last answer not just off a sheet She may or may not know huge amounts about the subject, I literally don’t know, but her task here is to prompt victor, not to compete with him, so it doesn’t matter anyway So if she couldn’t compete, so what. And if she could, but doesn’t, well done her I say 🤷‍♂️

[@jackierabinowitz9287]

Thank you

[@ingolfleiblle6661]

The young lady asks good questions and actually listens to the answers! Would she stand a chance on a woke University?

[@tinameyers7486]

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[@tinameyers7486]

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[@leighanne3266]

No, they'd burn her at the stake! They're all crazy woke racists... I've never seen anything like it

[@JeromyHolding]

Now there's a question. And here's another would any Woke University be able to stand in the light of truth!

[@megenberg8]

theology and the classics were the GOLD standard and essential curriculum forming the basis of EVERY young man's education - no exceptions.

[@codex3048]

Outstanding!

[@lone263]

Just shows you what people truly are!

[@mcc.o.4835]

Love the podcast

[@thesunshinemanmusic]

Great stuff! Subscribed!

[@ClassicalWisdom]

Thank you! If you enjoyed it, please check out our website: classicalwisdom.com

[@sherbear8286]

Love VDH.

[@patricm.3718]

The answer then seems to be for the greater minds to arm themselves to the teeth, and prepare to behave/respond with overwhelming brutality against the barbarous hordes.

[@Ac-ip5hd]

That said, and my difference of opinion with VDH on Trump, this is a great talk. Love the fleshing out of the Greek pillar of our culture, and comparisons of the 30 tyrants to Jacobin tyranny. I wonder how much of that moderate backlash to tyranny we’re missing in lost texts about Thrasybulus.

[@bwoodward9564]

There was a replacement of a BLM statue to replace a toppled statue in England. It was taken down by the local government.

[@bighands69]

If they did not take it down the message would be sent out that they could do anything. BLM will only become a problem in the UK once there is full Marxist backing.

[@mythark2177]

@@bighands69 What you call "marxists" are actually anti-Whites. Don't call them by the names of their choice, what they all have in common is a will to harm the European race and commit European erasure.

[@martinarno]

Plato wanted to 'cancel' Homer from his ideal Republic because he thought the Iliad depicted the gods in shameful ways; Plato thought that if young people read about the gods acting in adulterous and avaricious conduct, those young people would be inspired to act in like manner.

[@GaijinTV]

I was hesitant... glad I watched. A Girl?!? Go Girl!!!

[@samhouston1979]

There was “Damnatio Memoriiae”

[@HiddenWen]

Isn't cancel culture somewhat of a modern-day witchhunt?

[@maxwillson]

It is and historians don't know exactly why witchhunts ended. Some speculate it ended when they targeted the wrong rich families. Cancel culture will most likely end when they attempt to cancel an ultra rich Liberal with lots of power. We're about to witness a flip flop in political opinions we've never seen before. My gut tells me this will happen days before the election.

[@mythark2177]

"Cancel culture" is European erasure, a "witchhunt" on European (Western) civilization.

[@azazel166]

No. If anything, it is pretty mellowed down compared to "canceling" that took place in ancient and medieval times.

[@anthonyc70]

Well put...

[@getmartincarter]

Who composed the music ? Opus number please

[@ClassicalWisdom]

It's a Haydn Sonata - I'll have to look up the Opus...

[@willrich3908]

7:12 did he say 'blunter wits' ? his accent is a little hard in places - great vid though.

[@marcusevans1171]

That's what it sounds like.. 13:00 Im trying to figure out if he's quoting 'hesiate' saying ' with material progress comes a danger of ethical regress'

[@willrich3908]

@@marcusevans1171 that's Hesiod, I think.

[@marcusevans1171]

@@willrich3908 That's helpful. Thank you.

[@willrich3908]

@@marcusevans1171 no prob - he was around at the same time as Homer, I have one of his books somewhere. Cheers.

[@marcusevans1171]

@@willrich3908 Ok. Do you recommend one of his books? I just downloaded an essay: Consumption as an Investment. Have you heard of it?

[@donnaleist698]

Why do they have an OWL in their logo?

[@keithkersten5586]

Like the Hat ! Very Hip look !

[@danlacina7562]

Don't forget what Constantine I did to the original city of Byzantium before he re-founded it as Constantinople. Massive amounts of marble, gold, linens etc taken from pagan statues and used to beautify Christian temples.

[@pn5721]

13:30 asks about heros. VDH describes Trump as a tragic hero on the order of Shane in the movie of that name.

[@StaytunedtvTv]

VDH is quite brilliant as most would agree. He is a fountain of wisdom and logic with a pedigree shaped during the sweat and toil of his days working the family acreage. Like many of you I listen to and or view any podcast or cable news segment featuring him, as well look for and read his articles. Perhaps it was a slip of the tongue, however in Dr. Hanon's line of comments regarding tragic heroes in classic westerns he mentions Gary Cooper in "Shane." Alan Ladd is the star of the movie (and I believe Ladd's portrayal of the character Shane to be his finest), not Coop. The movie is a favorite of mine for a couple of reasons: As a kid I was on the set during production in Jackson, WY and vividly remember many sensory experiences that are still quite alive in my thoughts. (My dad did many movies with director George Stevens and his partners Frank Capra and William Wyler.) "Shane" presents an authentic look at a handful of families, typical of the melting pot of cultures that carved the growth of the nation as pioneers, then settlers migrating west of Saint Louis. The internal and external struggles of each family unit, the shaping of a community that faced the power of a ruling class protected by its hired guns - classic symbolism, plus a really honest fringe edge of romantic attraction to the dangerous stranger as given us by the always mysterious Jean Arthur in her final movie role. It is a great choice by VDH. Thank you Dr. Hanson.

[@robertmcintosh8773]

Equality or Liberty ..pick one.

[@dkvikingkd233]

I liked the very true observation that the people saving a civilization cannot also be of this civilization! Guarding and defending a society sometimes requires a brutality that when applied even out of necessity it will simultaneously exclude you from what you protect..

I am expecting a NIGHT OF THE LONG KNIVES

[@reveli]

Knowledgeable reactionary.

[@suzannespanier4492]

Just because people think their lives aren’t scrutinized by a higher power, doesn’t make it less so. If it is so.

[@-justnoah-5330]

Surpasses Joseph Campbell!!

[@23degrees]

Think that through for a moment- almost everyone of significance in ancient athens was ostracized at one time or another. But our modern cancel culture seeks to remove people, and even lives, PERMANENTLY. What importances are we throwing away?

[@davidbagstad8964]

I love Victor but, every once in a blue moon he gets something wrong. A lot less than me I have to say. A lot less. But, I watched Shane a couple times and remember the character lead who played Shane and that was Allan Ladd. Gary Copper played a lot of that type of roll and is a natural pick for that one.

[@stephenarling1667]

Cooper was in High Noon.

[@Bdh-er3mr]

I contemplate the future of USA after Trump, but find solace in knowing Dr. Hanson will be around to dispense advise. Brilliant man. I hope he has the President’s ear. 👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🤠

[@merriestroscher5795]

Shane played byAlan Ladd, not Gary Cooper.

[@jamesdellaneve9005]

Merrie Stroscher He’s a classicist. Not a movie critic! 🤪

[@tomconners8497]

Narciso Duran he didn’t get anything mixed up, have to read deep between the lines why he said that.🤔

[@ballyantonia]

Bless her heart.

[@peterrossi3349]

Do you live righ

[@oliviercohen7331]

Shane is with Alan Ladd...

[@peterrossi3349]

The basic structures

[@guillaumecharles9515]

Why are past presidents viewed kindly, while those in office cause people to have extreme emotions? The phenomenon is related to people's view of the difference between a politician and a statesman. The politician is the man currently occupying the office and making decisions that impact people today. The statesman is a former politician, retired or dead.

[@bighands69]

It is the media that is driving the narrative and it is they that are planting the seeds that sprout into something different. The very media that hated Bush now do not mind him. In the future it maybe the same with Trump. That is how they work.

[@jameshudson169]

'member when the athenians threatened to uproot and move to the western mediterranean? we should do that.

[@jonathanblanchard6480]

No, I don't, but that outside of the box perspective within known laws should be in his monologue. He needs critiques on his current positions, like fake farmers for tax forms, licenses for cash flows...progress vs reforms. The original colonies were already in the Azores, pillars of Hercules, n. Africa, so what were the Greeks thinking?

[@jameshudson169]

@@jonathanblanchard6480 are you up on your classics? the persian were coming. the rest of greece was gonna screw athens over. so, they said: ok, we'll just leave. kit and caboodle. then the greeks said: oh no, wait, wait, wait......!

[@ClassicalWisdom]

You can watch VDH talk LIVE this Saturday - August 21st at our Symposium 2021: The End of Empires & the Fall of Nations. Best of all, Pay what YOU want to get tickets: classicalwisdom-symposium-2021.eventbrite.ie

[@rickhall517930]

An intellectual who actually knows something.

[@Pauuanthakali]

pampered puritans! nailed it.. never worked a hammer, never ever seen a sickle..

[@teddet412]

What's your excuse going to be when you are before his light, knowing he knows all that's has been done by those and you?

[@danielmeegan6259]

Rebuild all statues pricipals of freedom allow your adversary enough to condemn them but no right to remove our history period

[@BannedPhotoshop]

VDH = instant like and subscribe

[@tonymorelli1571]

The idea of Satan is the idea of mocking human frailty.

[@jaysomewhereinflyoverterri735]

Given the times that we are living in, are you sure that the devil is just an idea?

[@tonymorelli1571]

@@jaysomewhereinflyoverterri735 The devil takes many forms. Individuals mocking human frailty are operating from an idea. It could be argued that an idea is a form of sorts.

[@jonerlandson1956]

What were the Great pyramids all about?...

[@wojciechgrodnicki6302]

Damnatio memorie or ostracism.

[@clairerobsin]

@17:30 ...now that I have, I don't like this manner of analysis concerning President Trump at all

[@dougmoore5252]

I am an old fashion Catholic, in the sense that I take my faith seriously. So I am not a post Christian.

[@bassbuckmaster]

Victor Davis Hanson ... A pillar of western civilization and a American treasure.

[@kirkbowyer3249]

HE COULD NOT SAY "ICONOCLASM" FOR SOME REASON WHICH ARE THE OLDEST KNOWN "CANCEL CULTURES THAT ARE KNOWN TO SCHOLARS; WHICH BEGS THE QUESTION: WHY DOES victor NOT KNOW ABOUT THEM. kzbin.info/www/bejne/noHPeaqKjc5qqs0

[@VideovigilanteUSA]

i would add Dirty Harry to The Western List

[@johnnydawson7675]

Does the Trump right engage in cancel culture too? Just wondering what you think about this, professor Hanson.

[@tomconners8497]

👏👏👏

[@brianacker4438]

And what about Dante? Ran out of Florence for the rest of his life...

[@kirkbowyer3249]

DANTE COULD HAVE COME BACK BUT THE CONDITIONS WERE UNACCEPTABLE TO HIM; HE WAS A MAN OF CONVICTION, INTEGRITY & QUITE TALENTED.

[@WitheringZealot]

Elijah of the bible was canceled by Jezebel and Simp AHAB. Yes a biblical "story" but literally the same parallel of today concerning men vs women.

[@dianar637]

Dr. Hanson, If Trump does not keep remind the people what he had done for the country no one else will and how would you expect him to be reelected. Of course the establishment media will not have him on,the does not tow vtheir line.

[@azazel166]

Ancient Athens' cancel culture: Ostracism Ancient Rome's cancel culture: Damnatio Memoriae

[@magouliana32]

He forgot the most important thing, it matters which culture is being canceled.

[@mythark2177]

Precisely. It is European cultures that are being erased by anti-Europeans.

[@williamjones7718]

Not being invited to the Tarquin crowd is a good thing.

[@meirionowen5979]

The poet Shelley had to get the hell out of England because he was being threatened by the Govt with a charge of sedition; that is, for saying what he thought in his poetry. So he hotfooted it to Italy, where he drowned.

[@peterrossi3349]

I don’t need that much

[@peterrossi3349]

Good food vecs post modern

[@Ac-ip5hd]

Of course, and it was harsher. But it wasn’t so stupid and trite for the purpose of destroying the culture while technocrats push wokeness to transcend individual and national sovereignty. …. But there’s an error in classical liberalism and the Ayn Raynd mentality getting us to worship captains of industry and consumerism, with the problems out of the Age of Reason. And classic/neo liberalism both bottleneck through neoconservatism and progressivism. There’s a factor here where culture, freedom and economics are only held up as an illusion by the neocons and right wing positivists. We don’t have a conservative and classic liberal/libertarian alliance with people like Victor Davis Hansen, Hayek, Sir Roger Scruton, Sowell, Murray, Jordan Peterson, Tom Woods etc. We have corporatist talk radio and red meat influencers who turned culture into an identity badge slogan that radicals and establishments can tear through at will. As much as the Trump movement was a result of the Puritanism of the left, and globalists, it’s also a decay of the state and belief systems that was also present in the French Revolution, and hierarchy worship. There’s a logical endpoint of positivism and the Prussianization of America refusing to admit and correct any of its errors. The secular conservatives, Fox establishment, fundamentalists, hardcore neocons, and alt right, who all hate each other were willing to have a gentleman’s agreement around Trump. This is a clinging to a right wing cartoon version of history to counter the left wing cartoon version of history.

I think Germany should topple all Hitler statues and monuments. I JUST learned he was a real mean and spiteful guy.

[@danielmeegan6259]

Trump does his duty which has its downsides in the popular or culture club he stands on solid economic sound reasoning logic & steadfast practical mannerism Look to Scott Kesterson return to original 1776 constitution GREAT WORK KUDOS

[@johnwalker2902]

The Bible says do not remove the landmarks are your a country that does not know where you came from

[@kingcrazymani4133]

Was there an ancient cancel culture? Without time to actually listen to this now, let me point out that the four books written about Jesus 30 years after Jesus’s death survived antiquity. So far as we know, the 11 volumes of Augustus’s and however many of Tiberius‘s did not. Tiberius was the official bad uberguy of the New Testament. We still won’t let him speak for himself.

[@terrypbug]

Hes a walking and talking brain

[@nitasheehan2704]

This is where I strongly disagree with Victor. He's over simplifying President Trump. It's very disappointing.

[@shlomorabenovets4709]

Cancel culture dates back to Cain. He cancelled his brother Abel. All cancel culture has the same source. Cain was a godless rebel and was doing what his spiritual DNA dictated. "For you are the children of your father the devil, and you love to do the evil things he does. He was a murderer from the beginning. He has always hated the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, ways hated the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, it is consistent with his character; for he is a liar and the father of lies" -John 8:44. The godless have no moral governor. If you are an inconvenience to them they will cancel you and wont think twice about it. Thay are in the Line of their murderous thug ancestor Cain

[@peterrossi3349]

Copy rights

[@josepharnold4137]

If only he could be president, but he would sadly never.....

[@whaszis]

VDH is a perfect example of the type of leader that we Need!

[@jackjones3657]

Anyone that has the courage to deal with the defamation, slander, outright hatred . . , by running for President as a Constitutional literalist or Conservative deserves huge respect.

[@ClassicalWisdom]

@@jackjones3657 We recently ran a magazine dedicated to the 'statesmen' - it's interesting the difference between a statesmen and a politician (indeed they are opposites), but your comment really strikes a note regarding the former...

[@hughmac13]

@@jackjones3657 Why?

[@arizonajo2791]

Ostracism in Greek culture was a big thing. It's all in who writes history is it not? Ted Cruz will be next and the Left will think Donald Trump was not that bad...

[@seriouslyyoujest1771]

Maybe not knowing their history, all the mob could understand was the look of an old statue, verses the individual and historical actions those individuals may have done? Old statue bad, must be destroyed. I sorta like the idea, knock off the head, and put a likeness of Obama on a horse riding confederate general. Only finding any artisans, and craftsman in this modern age, and modern art may have been a challenge.

[@eabellamy1]

I mean compare to Hitler Trump is not that bad, bud still 6 months to go, he could still catch up quite dramatically.

[@eabellamy1]

@Lycan unfortunately, too much.