Who Would Make A Great Batman Villain Here?

[@conman_yt7999]

An argument between Batman and John Cramer would give me Daredevil tied to the rooftop vibes, and I'd love it.

[@patricbateman7457]

Not even slightly. John Cramer firmly believes he's never killed anyone. He hates killers and even tho his code is twisted and has resulted in countless deaths if they were to actually have a conversation there's not much they'd disagree on because they both have a no kill rule

[@Heavenly828]

You’re so right. Two different philosophies on how to deal with evil people

[@Darthzim]

Then him and Dexter have the under the red hood argument

[@bheowolfe]

And imagine what happens when Cramer realizes that the only reason Batman keeps going every day is revenge and self loathing

[@CadenHayter]

Kralmer would be perfect

[@Amikas117]

A man who teaches the value of life vs a man who refuses to kill. Now that is such an interesting dynamic.

[@-DEATH_LORD]

We need this to be a comic, like NOW.

[@julianmitchell3035]

Someone get the fanfic writers!

[@kumara6665]

A man who does not kill, but brings justice by ruining their life versus a man who kills, but teaches a lesson of life

[@Dr.BDover]

Yeah... nah. You're giving doll boy too much credit he's just a overhyped weirdo

[@isabelmcgaugh711]

A man who teaches the value of life through killing and a man who values life so much he refuses to kill.

[@notproductiveproductions3504]

All Batman had to do to beat Jigsaw in an argument is to show him how much MORE depressed his victims end up after surviving a saw trap

[@Igarappappa]

Kramer's a lunatic who acts like he's never killed anyone even though EVERYONE who died wouldn't have died if he didn't put them in that situation to begin with. The fact that he's a smug bastard up his own ass just makes it worse.

[@lShadow426l]

Wouldn't work Cramer has killed repeat victims because of it and even gets upset his actions made them more depressed

[@notproductiveproductions3504]

@@lShadow426l exactly, Batman can end his argument with 5 words “that’s why you’re a hypocrite”

[@polaritygames3046]

@@lShadow426l I think Batman could absolutely get him to see the error in philosophy, and that’s because before he dies in Saw 3 he realizes how it’s flawed. That entire movie is purely him testing Amanda, to see if she has changed, to see if his methods had actually worked on her. And he quite literally bets his life on it, Amanda’s game is to not kill Lynn and let the game play out as it should, and if Lynn dies Kramer dies aswell. When Amanda, the supposed smoking gun that proves his methods actually work fails her game, and as such proves that she didn’t change, it immediately proves to Kramer that he was objectively wrong with no room for debate. And if Kramer can come to that conclusion himself then someone like Batman could definitely drag him to it

[@greenrandall143]

Riddler trying to solve jigsaw’s puzzles wound be great

[@dudesayshi2191]

Jigsaw would make every riddle straightforward not even a riddle he just gives the answer outright so the riddler over thinks it

[@carlgaming4488]

I wanna see toji fight batman, and batman just gives him money to make him stop

[@notproductiveproductions3504]

@@carlgaming4488Toji seems more fit to be a Teen Titans villain lmao

[@ShadowHunter24681]

​@dudesayshi2191 reminds me of the animated series where he traps batman in a place from which he can't escape but he does and when he asks batman says it in the middle of his sentence which goes over his head, it ultimately leads to his iconic rant.

[@romankvapil9184]

Knowing E. Nigma he'd likely be written the first to die just to show the major threat John is to Gotham's rogue gallery.

[@blackfiredragonthe13th43]

Thinking about it John Kramer is a straight upgrade to the riddler.

[@dharmiksib]

not realloy riddler not pulling punches is super underrated. but John kramer is good

[@obsidiantitan9791]

I can see it, would explain why the made him the way he was in The Batman

[@joshuarobinson6011]

He’s like a cross between riddler and josiah wormwood (character from BTAS who would torture people using traps)

[@JDWalker495]

I think light would also be an interesting case for Batman To notice random people dropping like flies in Gotham. Plus bats got a thing against magic

[@inky5574]

Plus I think he'd be good against the Shinigami eyes since his mask covers a majority of his face. Right?

[@theradionicrevival8068]

Would it? Bruce grew upper round bratty shitty entitled rich fuck all the time? He already knows how messed Open ineffective the justice system is too and the kind of people that unfairness creates If L was able to figure it out as quick as he did, what hope with light have against Batman. He's not even that smart in his own verse and he's practically a baby compared to Bruce. L was sending him spiraling While it'd certainly be an interesting dynamic, would it even last long before he's captured indefinitely ? I feel like that story would just end with Light going to therapy AND getting college courses in sociology, criminal justice and its history 💀 Imagine the punishment for your villain being going back to school to do homework? That's some KND shit bruh😭😭😭

[@ShiftylittleDemon]

Someone made a video about this They concluded that Bats would likely figure out who Kira was before Light even knew he was being hunted down The whole reason Deathnote happened was because L wanted to turn it into a game and publicly challenged Kira, Batman wouldn't do that and Kira has no reason to think Batman or Bruce Wane were of interest

[@roseoliveira6709]

​@@inky5574i don't think the mask would help against the shinigami eyes, it would help against the death note since the user the needs a image of the victim face to kill them, but the eyes just show the name and date of death of the person independent of if the person's face is visible or not.

[@BALL628]

​@@theradionicrevival8068 L had an iq of 295 sir. Batman's is like 195, And L lost against light soooooo.

[@CookieIDK]

Agreed, Dexter would be a great villain for Batman. He’s a literal detective, so he knows exactly how to clean up a crime scene PERFECTLY every single time.

[@Dragothedragongslaye]

but thats the thing dexter might be too good that batman would probrably figure it out by the 3rd murder

[@nicholasleon787]

@@Dragothedragongslayeit more like dexter gets sloppy I’m not down playing his intelligence. Their have been couple of times where dexter has been a lil sloppy . The trinity killer, pardo , dokes.

[@BenjaminIzquierdo-nb6tq]

What is Dexter from?

[@psychopompous1695]

​@@BenjaminIzquierdo-nb6tqI'm not sure if you're joking, but just in case, the show is Dexter.

[@BenjaminIzquierdo-nb6tq]

@@psychopompous1695 oh ik

[@KjBeckwith-kf4gg]

I do feel like John would be a good villain as well

[@elijahbaker781]

Imagine all the crazy shit he would do to Batman’s villains.

[@KjBeckwith-kf4gg]

@@elijahbaker781fr he would have a field day with them

[@Ominvus]

Added bonus is that he might actually figure out not only Batman's identity but the whole Bat Family that still have secret identities. But use it as a way to get them not be part of his games when he doesn't need them to be.

[@elijahbaker781]

@@KjBeckwith-kf4gg deadass and him working with scarecrow would be icing on the cake.

[@KjBeckwith-kf4gg]

@@elijahbaker781 exactly

[@Sonarian601]

Bro imagine Light just writing every Arkham villain and the screams

[@raulcerna1093]

And still the worst of them all gets away scot free since nobody knows Joker's real name .

[@notproductiveproductions3504]

@@raulcerna1093not to mention Riddler goes by two names at once after the Matt Reeves movie

[@talkingdomination1928]

@@raulcerna1093well, there is a ability you can gain with the death note at the cost of your life span being cut in half to be able to see the names of anyone at a glance.

[@ShoeLobster45]

@@talkingdomination1928that would require miwa to see the joker

[@magarringer]

Why do I feel like batman and light would have a 10 hour argument about ethics and morality

[@TuckerMasterson-pl4ol]

And he would have misa write names whilst

[@notproductiveproductions3504]

Cuz you don’t know Batman. He’d destroy everything Light philosophizes in less than 5 sentences

[@starhammer5247]

It would mostly be Batman talking to a brick wall because Light is only doing this because of his god complex.

[@notproductiveproductions3504]

@@starhammer5247 Batman would just go Ben Shapiro mode and destroy him with facts and logic lmao (basically just say “look out the window, Light. You didn’t get rid of crime, you just culled the dumb criminals” or something like that)

[@starhammer5247]

@@notproductiveproductions3504 I still don't think Light would notice. His head is too far up his own ass.

[@danielrules-espinal]

John would turn Arkham Asylum into his own personal playground; I could picture him walking into the asylum, taking a good look, and saying to himself, "I can work with this." If you truly want to make him a menace, imagine him teaming up with Amanda Waller.

[@Fanman1217]

I'm sure he'd go after her next.

[@markrichards1823]

Bro that's just hell itself at that point😭😭😭

[@shadowwriter329]

Working with? He would as hell make her a victim in his games. With how little she cares about other peoples’ lives, even if they work under her, she is a prime target.

[@christianvirtudazo3106]

​@@markrichards1823 Personal hell

[@LeavanDragon]

​@shadowwriter329 I think it's important to note Waller would probably understand this. I could easily see her and John talking, both full intent on double crossing each other.

[@anonim4584]

How Walter White can be even consider Great Villian for Batman 😂

[@anothervarietyyoutuber4533]

giant meth lab under Arkham asylum

[@anonim4584]

@@anothervarietyyoutuber4533 Bro Batman will catch Walter in one night

[@locosword3985]

@@anonim4584 It's not about him being able to take them out it's about how interesting they would be, Jigsaw would probably be a walk in the park for Batman but it's not about that, it's about how would Batman vs Jigsaw work mentally.

[@kxngcuz8372]

@@anonim4584 giving walter alot of credit there i'd give Batman 10hrs

[@janetmontalvo6944]

@@locosword3985 fair but also the character has to be smart of skilled enough to make it somewhat difficult for Batman. even if the dynamic was interesting Walter is just far to messy to be believable that was their point. While Dexter and jigsaw are easily smart enough to avoid and trick Batman for awhile and would make a very interesting dynamic.

[@homelessperson5455]

The "bang" kid from Inuyashiki definitely would mess Batman up on an emotional level.

[@JackHalloween912]

Yeah, but I kind want to see him as a Superman villain… I mean I think their fight would fit more in line with Inuyashki’s story

[@talcumx2124]

​ Superman would make hiro cry because hiro still thought it was a hero. In his own story If he's fighting Superman, he's a hundred percent in the wrong.

[@sinistralhydra]

Honestly on a physical level too.

[@BobbinRobbin777]

@@JackHalloween912 He's basically Metallo with added hacking powers.

[@alibeknorbekov5963]

He fits more as a Superman villain

[@dripkublack1811]

Makima: every time you kill me a japanese citizen will die Batman: good i dont kill Makima: wait wha- *gets infinitely combo'd*

[@nabi-red]

The worst part about this is all the broken bones from the combos definitely gonna transfer to a jp citizen lol

[@ravaniphoenix5431]

ALL damage (so not just the act of dying) is transferred to a japanese citizen. So he'd just be crippling everyone there. Which means he would then actually have to stop doing it, or not even start doing it, and deal with her while not doing damage. Maybe throw her into Phantom Zone?

[@nabi-red]

@@ravaniphoenix5431 phantom zone might work but since she a control devil concept she might just off her self reincarnate into a different person if government gets the hands on her again you gonna get makima 2.0 lol that if batman finds her raises her to be good person

[@cfri9332]

@@ravaniphoenix5431 "So what you're saying, demon, is that after I cripple every Japanese citizen, then you're next? Heh heh heh. Geronimo!"

[@andrearashi-fm2ss]

Watching Batman with all his equipment and information trying to figure out who is Kira, and Light figure out identities of the villains to kill them, and also figuring out who is Batman, the guy who tries to stop him from killing villains will actually be fun

[@mental_decay_]

Batman would find Kira quickly though. Light is egotistical and used to the plot armor of room temp IQ detectives and selective hearing family, both of which Bruce is not. He'd think he's smart but slip up quick at the first monologue

[@OrochiAlter9713]

Oh nah.... imagine being a guard in Arkham Asylum and suddenly you hear, "It's time to play a game!"😂

[@maux9175]

The door....IMMEDIATLY

[@finchatforharambe905]

@@maux9175well he wouldn’t go for the guards,except for some of the dirty ones,but yea

[@fairystail1]

"guys, think we need to up Joker's meds again!"

[@geekymetalhead5112]

That one guard: "But.....but im good to go right?" JS: "lemme see here *looks up file* oh yeah you're fine. Just head back the way you came in and leave" Guard; "Got it. BYEEEEE!!" Gordon: "But arent you gonna do something?" Guard: "Hey he killed Riddler and is torturing those clown freaks. Far as im concerned, Im going on vacation" *then the guard proceeded to invest in stocks, get rich and live a successful life, then retired at 45 to be with his family and grandkids. Kramer still sends him thank you cards for some strange reason*

[@JacksonSwanson-n7b]

@@finchatforharambe905bull. Kramer would probably get every guard in the asylum for the stupidest reason.

[@pikacho0]

Batman vs Light Yagami would be a perfect race to expose each other's identities first

[@UltimatevoidYT]

It’s obvious that Batman would track him down fast

[@dutiot2326]

He got a magic book tho and 200iq.

[@pikacho0]

@UltimatevoidYT 100% agree batman would discover who he is but it'd still be cool to see him try to avoid batman

[@UltimatevoidYT]

@@dutiot2326 batman has dealt with magic before and has outsmarted gods

[@bryanstyve]

​@@UltimatevoidYTKira also outsmarted a god what's your point?

[@TB2008Productions]

We need a Batman and a jigsaw crossover now. That would be awesome.

[@zer0_iz_d34d]

The Batman was pretty close to it

[@TB2008Productions]

@@zer0_iz_d34d riddle me this Batman, you don’t know me, but I know you. I wanna play a game.

[@thelordofthelostbraincells]

​@@TB2008ProductionsBatman: (sneakily uses signal tracker ) CUT THE CRAP JIGSAW, TELL ME WHERES THE HOSTAGES ARE!

[@charlesfarmer5250]

Dude, I would pay money to see that

[@notproductiveproductions3504]

Nah, Batman would win the argument just by taking Jigsaw to reunite with his surviving victims. The man would lose his shit the moment he finds out he’s only made their lives WORSE

[@BlackNigerKFC]

Light Yagami: I am.....JUSTICE BATMAN: I'M BATMAN

[@mook8799]

Toji would be insane. He is basically a better Deathstoke with a weapons cache on his shoulder.

[@Shmaider]

Fr I would love to see batman try to figure out a way to combat Toji’s insane speed, strength, and the cursed tools and cursed spirits he keeps to use as weapons. The only caveat is that I dont see Toji making a good intellectual or moral opponent to batman, which most of his best villains are

[@kingcyclops4079]

I can imagine a plot for a Batman movie where Jigsaw teams up with scarecrow, the riddler etc. and runs a puzzle gauntlet to test Batman. Movie’s climax would be Jigsaw betraying the villains and forcing them to play the game, leaving Batman to test his morals and save his own villains.

[@baconterrorist945]

That's fucking gold

[@TKG785]

Ooh, that sounds so cool! I'm just imagining that as an animated movie.

[@stephanieclark3506]

Hello batman or should I say Bruce Wayne I want to play a game. For your years fighting crime you have never completely stopped them but today you will have 3 choices save your foes but allow me to leave. Or let them meet justice and capture me. Or walk away let them pay and allow me to do my work. make your choice.

[@dinfinite778]

I would pay to see that

[@snakeyman5560]

FIRE IDEA!

[@Ephereal285]

I love the Dexter vs Batman one because it shows Batmans brains rather than just his brawn which every recent adaptation loves doing

[@fairystail1]

you could also show it tw ways. Batman trying to figure out this incredibly skilled killer or Dexter freaking the fuck out as he does everything he can to not be caught by The Batman.

[@julianmitchell3035]

@@fairystail1 Porque no los dos?

[@ZzIAmNOTLegendzZ]

Any Robin could body Dexter mentally

[@wiledertoster4691]

@@ZzIAmNOTLegendzZwhat do you even mean by that?

[@ZzIAmNOTLegendzZ]

@@wiledertoster4691 every one of Batman's sons is smarter than Dexter

[@rjai5003]

Batman trying to solve the Kira case would also be pretty cool. And his secret identity would make it hard for Light to kill him, since he keeps both his name and his face hidden

[@mcswaggins4123]

Didn't Bruce one time touch Wonder Woman's lasso and straight up said that he ID'd himself as Batman? Part of me thinks that Light just writing "Batman" in the DN could actually work.

[@brotherhoodofsteel4751]

​@@mcswaggins4123honestly it all depends on the situation. If Batman is coming after kira with no warning Batman takes it. If kira is going after Batman then he might have a shot as realistically it wouldn't take too much to figure out that Bruce Wayne is Batman.

[@KwassaKwassa_]

​@mcswaggins4123 it would be cool if light discovered batman is Bruce Wayne and writes his name in the death note and it doesn't work because of this

[@KwassaKwassa_]

​@@brotherhoodofsteel4751light probably wouldn't wanna try batman or Bruce wayne since he only tries people he think is bad

[@xxjoebamaxx7782]

​@@KwassaKwassa_he also goes for people who oppose him tho

[@streetgamer3452]

John and Batman’s dynamic would be so interesting because both are using their own ways to enact their own “justice” and with how Batman is you gotta think he’d understand it somewhat

[@chanceloomis8430]

Light would just be trying to figure out his secret identity ☠️

[@bizarroguy6570]

Batman and Dexter would be a disturbed game of chess as I could see him knowing that he’s a killer, but can’t find a way to expose him in the GCPD.

[@Meldrick-jv7sy]

Like L and Light. Intriguing. 🤔

[@Xero488]

It depends on the version of Batman if it's just like normal Batman then he'd what until he finds proof but Arkham Batman would beat his ass as soon as he suspects him as being a killer and just throw him in prison even without proof and the gcpd would just let him

[@somedude3400]

@@Xero488if Batman randomly beats someone's ass you should trust it 90% of the time.

[@Xero488]

@@somedude3400 true

[@ZzIAmNOTLegendzZ]

Dexter isnt smart enough to tango with Batman

[@Blast1314]

I could see makima working as a Batman villain, she would try to control him through vengeance in a way that he would have to break his code, trying to turn Batman into the next chainsaw man, while Bruce is fighting to keep to his code during the onslaught of the control devil

[@mekiherring2088]

the only problem is joker already does that

[@Abominatrix650]

Batman already has to put up with temptress shit from Catwoman, Talia Al Ghul and to the strongest extent - Poison Ivy. I think he can resist Makima

[@bigred212]

Kinda she's just way to strong for him objectively speaking. Maybe a great villain for one of his friends but batman? Nah

[@i.d.9754]

Considering the fact that Batman's fought Dracula, I completely consider this possible

[@lukelblitz3627]

​@@Abominatrix650the problem isn't tempting,the problem it's that it's absolute magical mind control I could see him doing something like making headphones that make it so he can't understand her voice maybe?

[@deshawnedwards6412]

Batman going up against Jigsaw and Dexter would make for a great ideas for Crossover Comics.

[@anthonysalinas-candelero9978]

Jiggsaw is like Pyg, Red Hood, Joker, the Riddler all rolled up into one...hes perfect as a villain in Gotham

[@arnolopez7217]

Basically Hush but better

[@furyberserk]

There will never be another Wrath.

[@FleshBytes]

Not just Scarecrow. Imagine John Kramer, Scarecrow, the Riddler, the Joker, Dollmaker, AND Professor Pig just came together and made Arkham Asylum into what can only be described as “Jigsaw’s Ultimate Game”.

[@GrizbyK72]

I don’t think Kramer is that social

[@aidanfoster712]

Only for Kramer to betray all of them.

[@romankvapil9184]

Kramer would only do that just to get them into one place so they can all be a PART of the game, itself and Bats would be the player. In no logical sense would be actually be aligning himself with those guys.

[@FleshBytes]

Yea I can see that happening, and I now see Joker playing with the Billy Puppet doll after he or someone else kills Kramer.

[@Maxipad183]

John Kramer is my first choice all day

[@pbsuite]

They really sneaked makima 😂😂😂

[@Afanof1]

Same

[@SnakeRoadComicsOfficial3677]

I swear if y'all show this to Batman writers, they'll definitely *Attempt* to make a crossover given how amazing the concept is.

[@DrippyBlack-light]

Let this man write the next Batman Movie I swear he’s cooking fr hire him immediately

[@l.aliban5122]

The glazing is crazy 😂 calm down bro

[@An-yp3gd]

​@@l.aliban5122He's not wrong.

[@fenrirsrage4609]

Bro hates Batman he would absolutely be fucking roasted by a lot of Batman and DC fans. And don't get me started on the Chudtubers.

[@DrippyBlack-light]

@@fenrirsrage4609 Nah Nah Nah leave the chudtubers no one talks about them 💀

[@l.aliban5122]

@@fenrirsrage4609 facts

[@Tristan_00715]

dexter and bruce talking about their codes would be dope.

[@joseromero-wm9uv]

Dexter and gordon interactions would be amazing also

[@Antonio17873]

The crazy thing is Dexter actually feels like a Batman villian now that CMD mentioned him, even though his an anit-hero I can now definitely see an interesting spark between Batman and Dexter.

[@nkemnoraulmanfredini7286]

Dexter isn't an anti-hero

[@nkemnoraulmanfredini7286]

Dexter isn't an anti-hero

[@cablefeed3738]

​@@nkemnoraulmanfredini7286Yes, he is. He just does it in secrecy, unlike the punisher.

[@nkemnoraulmanfredini7286]

@@cablefeed3738 no

[@nkemnoraulmanfredini7286]

@@cablefeed3738 no

[@nutshot_brawler8466]

I can imagine John Kramer actually receiving sympathy from a few DC heroes, but then, he does something villainous like, involve innocent Arkham guards

[@maxpokebruh27]

Batman having to save his villains from a Jigsaw trapped Arkham Asylum would be sweet.

[@Heavy_weaponsguy1525]

Imagine light and batman desperately trying to find each others names before the other 😂

[@AM_61102]

I can absolutely see Dexter having a clay face dynamic with Bruce like the one in the 2005 show

[@RhyperiorRanger]

Wtf is Batman gonna do against T-shirt and single mother maker Toji?

[@Banished-rx4ol]

Get one of his super buddies to back him up, people forget a lot of batmans contingencies rely on other heroes he’s friends with. Magical enemy? Call up Zatana, Dr.Fate, or John Constantine simple as that. Need magic and power? Call up wonder woman or shazam and bring the lighting. Batman is smart enough to know when to call for help to jump someone.

[@kingcyclops4079]

@@Banished-rx4oltrue but that wouldn’t make a good Batman villain. He should face a threat all on his own, or atleast with the Batfamily.

[@supershenron9168]

Batman horrifically out scales toji to the point it's sad. Forget all the numbers,calcs etc all I need to say to prove bats is stomping toji out is he fought off reverse flash for a minute straight the same MF who's traveling through time by running

[@billybob-hd7hr]

are you dumb batman low diffs toji

[@supershenron9168]

​@@Banished-rx4olhe won't even need that bats out stats in every category. The closest fight toji could get is Arkham Batman and even then the skill and IQ diff is enormous with relative ap and speed to boot.

[@talkingben3332]

I feel like Walter White would be like the meth version of Mr Freeze

[@DeathMessenger1988]

Well... kinda. HE is the one dying, and he'd be working to provide for his family (assuming they come with him to Gotham City), at least at first. Frankly, unless this is last seasons-Walter, Batman promising to provide a trust fund for his family would be enough for Walter to surrender and cut a deal with the police. Hell, becoming famous as Heisenberg, the drug dealer who snitched on the drug distribution system in Gotham would also be something Walter enjoys (kinda like the Sidney Debris AKA The Squid / "The Man Who Almost Killed Batman"). I could also see Walter working as a chemist for some super-villain in exchange for a possible cure (which, considering the mad geniuses that populate the DC verse, could happen albeit they might also dismiss Walter as completely useless).

[@fran5511]

skylar contracts a terminal illness only for Walter to discover a way to keep her alive in Methamphetastasis

[@viper6525D]

John Kramer is basically the love child of the Riddler and Joker but took Ritalin to stay focus on his goals so it makes sense he’d be a perfect Batman villain.

[@fireblast133]

but doesn't Kramer prefer his victims actually survive his games? Like he thinks someone doesn't deserve to live, but through the twist of his games gives them a chance to prove him wrong? I can't imagine him targeting Joker and Joker not making it out of his trap. Yeah sure Joker would likely be forced to maim himself to do it, but Joker's definitely got the willpower to do that.

[@viper6525D]

@@fireblast133 Yes that is how John works, but that means those who don’t have the willpower die. Batman and everyone else would try to save them, even if it means playing his game himself. Not to mention what kind of conversation John and Batman will have. Both are vigilantes and both use violence to clean up their cities. John could challenge Batman’s moral code in ways even Joker couldn’t. And how much can Batman try to convince a dying man like John how what he’s doing is not the way. I’m getting excited thinking about it.

[@g_h_o_u_l]

​@@viper6525D That'd make for an astonishing comic run and/or animated film

[@hazardhousemusic5681]

Hiro is an underrated menace and we would need someone like Bats to take him out dude is ruthless and op

[@ПростоДен]

i would love to see an argument between dexter morgan and riddler about leaving clues on crime scenes

[@thatgoodcontent-zb6eh]

Dexter definitely he would be the perfect counter to Batman's no kill rule. Plus the dialogue would just go Elite he something like" I'll never kill the Joker because simply put if you can't stop one man from laughing as he kills countless innocent people then who's the real joke" Also Batman is a detective and Dexter has experience with them it just makes it even more compelling of an argument.

[@TheUncivilizedNation]

Batman’s detective ability varies greatly. If Dexter has to compete with Arkham Batman’s Detective Mode, specifically the Evidence Scanner, then Dexter is cooked. That reconstruction thing that shows Batman 100% accurate holographic projections is overpowered

[@GreatF]

@@TheUncivilizedNationI imagine the writers would make it so that Dexter is so good nothing would show up so Batman would have to use pure detective skills

[@ZzIAmNOTLegendzZ]

​@@GreatFif writers have to make Dexter smarter just to hang with Batman, that just shows he's not smart enough to begin with

[@libantube-on8kw]

@ZzIAmNOTLegendzZ Imagine losing to one of the smartest super heroes then being called stupid lmao. Its like losing to mike Tyson then being called a fodder because you lost.

[@ZzIAmNOTLegendzZ]

@@libantube-on8kw I mean, they're not lying tho...

[@lucasgoad5691]

I could imagine something similar to a long halloween where Batman works on a case involving a serial killer, he becomes friends with Dexter. He respects his sense of justice, and then Dadadum! Twist. A Saw meets Batman video game would be dope.

[@thelightseeker94]

Makima is a straight up Justice League Level threat. Doesn't belong on the list. Batman is not soloing that devil.

[@Draconis345]

"Say the name 'Bruce Wayne'" Makima would literally just go down the list of JL members as soon as she found out all their names.

[@fangirl3323]

Wdym?

[@noobmasterruben5167]

​@fangirl3323 if you watched Chainsaw Man s1, Makima can kill people without even being present so shes too overpowered

[@fangirl3323]

@@noobmasterruben5167 I'm aware of that but are they referring to the ritual thing or her contract?

[@BobbinRobbin777]

@@fangirl3323 Honestly? Almost all aspects of her make Makima into a insane threat. Her ability to sink deep into people's past regrets (like what she did with poor little Denji) already makes her a *_massive_* threat against Bruce, who still has a scared little boy within his brooding Batman persona. But coupled with her contract with the prime minister and her being able to just near-instantly kill _any_ JL member (either through the weird Yakuza ritual or the Angel Devil) without ever having to be in the same city makes her almost… *_Invincible_* [unrelated Title-card]. The only hero I could see being a threat to her is *The Flash.* Since she has no way of preventing him from just… _going back in time and adopting her child self!_ (Also, Barry Allen's identity might take a while longer to track down, given how relatively unknown his secret identity is + how many people she’ll need to search through if he’s still living at his old apartment).

[@Jet-Steam-Gray]

I think that if Toji became a Batman villain he would end up in the Suicide Squad.

[@filippospezaros5876]

"Game over batman" I just want to hear him say that

[@mr.skateandwatch]

Jigsaw and Batman sounds like a robot chicken skit

[@glitch-xega]

Makima would be a great Batman villian. Morally her plan is to remove all bad things in the world, which largely sparked for her wanting something she never had, that being a family and lovedones. Batman tries to stop crime and to protect those who can't protect themselves which (usually) is because of his lose of his parents, and (originally) Batman's story had him gaining a family as a core part of his character. They contrast but Makima could see them as motivated by the same goal. Possibly trying to make Batman the new Chainsaw Man. And the plot could be devils are getting worse and worse in Gotham, so Makima goes over to set up a new Devil Hunting Branch, possibly funded by Wayne Enterprise. Till Bruse does more research on Makima, and determines she's the Control Devil. But during one night of simple vigilante work, a criminal Batman is going after explodes into blood as mouses are heard from behind Bats with a letter left on the ground simply written "Makima is listening, Bruce". And imagine a scene were Red Hood goea after Makima, dispiet Bats telling him not to. And as he kills her, he hears screaming outside and Makima rises from behind him. And then beats his ass with the crowbar devil or smth, idk. Plus Makima having a contract in both America and Japan for infinite(ish) lives would be insane. And if Makima knows about Batman's no kill rule, she could use her own deaths as leverage since they would kill a innocent person. And Bruce going through the Weapon Devil Galory, and beating them all with ease due to planning before hand, would be sweet to see. Especially with how he'd confront the punishment devil. And maybe Makima can fight Joker and his goons, only to brutally murder each one (off screen knowing how she's written by Fujimoto) leaving Joker, just laughing as he tries to break Makima like he would any other super. But Makima having absolutely no emotional moral code, probably kills him too (not for long most likely, cause he's the Joker baby). Just saying, A non-cannon Batman vs Makima story would be damn cool.

[@kai8618]

I can just see the convo with Oracle and Batman, "She's clearly a Devil. Probably a very powerful one. Honestly, we should've noticed the moment we met her. I mean, Bruce...her eyes were so..."

[@Bobsyouruncle-yi4qr]

Peak🤑

[@wiswc]

Makima would destroy him, stop fanboying

[@glitch-xega]

@wiswc I'm guessing you didn't read my thing. I never said Batman would or wouldn't beat Makima. Heck, I said Makima would beat Red Hood and Joker. Also, I'm not fanboying, I just think it's a really cool hypothetical crossover. Many because I love Makima, easily top 10 favorite characters ever.

[@jotarokujo156]

​@@wiswc Knowing this is happening within the DC verse, he would likely ask for help with his colleagues, especially 2 of the most powerful sorcerers he knows in the verse (Zatanna & Constantine)

[@imthepigeonguy]

They work so well because they're Batman's antithesis. All the "hero" work he does, but without the killing rules Batman sets up for himself. They aren't exactly heroes, but they think they are

[@somepvpguy69]

Toji: Batman: "what" Toji: 🗡️🤺

[@reymundocalderon3553]

Now we need a separate video for each one and how they would interact with batman

[@jerelly9469]

Imagine John and Professor strange working together to both psychologically and physically push the inmates to the edge

[@lethalbacon510]

I think Light constantly working to unveil Batman's identity for the Death Note and Batman racing to stop Light before he does so would be a great dynamic.

[@mr.ashenfire2624]

A character like Jigsaw would be utterly terrifying in Gotham.

[@tineresnt5505]

Thats a weird list, cause like 3 of them can just out right kill Batman unless the plot protects him.

[@tineresnt5505]

Only reason I say 3 not 4 is cause I have no idea how Makima would interact with him.

[@juniorforbes5472]

Every single one, some won't be worth a second punch but some would get their own arcs.

[@RhyperiorRanger]

I feel like if Bruce Wayne slipped up even ONCE Light would kill him and expose him as Batman immediately

[@olp3850]

I mean not really. There's not too many clues that point to batman and Bruce wayne being the same dude execpt that their both in Gotham. Besides. Batman isn't just gonna announce that he's coming after light like L or near

[@Finalslashes]

@@olp3850and he isn’t just going to let him stay free after thinking he’s 90% chance he’s Kira

[@Xero488]

Batman wouldn't let that happen he would be hunting light before light even knows plus if he did kill Bruce he'd have to deal with the bat family and justice league

[@gortab]

One interesting thing is that Bruce thinks of himself as Batman first with Bruce Wayne just being his public persona. So depending on how Shinigami eyes work, it might be that if someone with Shinigami eyes was to glance at a picture or video of Bruce Wayne they would see the word "Batman" floating above Bruce's head along with his lifespan. Which could lead to a twist where Light immediately knows who Batman is but doesn't want to kill him. After all, Light's original goal was to punish evildoers and villains. In this situation, he could have been inspired by Batman in his own twisted way, idolizing Batman's desire to bring villains to justice by not understanding why he lets them live. When the two finally confront eachother, Light could say something about how he understands why Batman doesn't kill and felt he had to do if for him. Then, funny enough, since a Death Note owner loses their memories involving the note once they lose it's ownership, Light would lose his memory of who Batman is since he got that information using the Shinigami eyes.

[@Steven-lz1vo]

The problem with Kira vs Batman is that death note relies on there only being 2 smart people in the world. Batman doesn’t feel devoted to the law in the same way L does, and wouldn’t hesitate to arrest Light as soon as he figured out Light was Kira. The reason Light got away so long is because L had to go though the a whole process since he was dealing with official law enforcement and specifically lights father, which gave Light the time he needed to figure out they were onto him and make the plans he needed. Batman would not give him that time.

[@marcussantos4816]

Batman vs Dexter sounds perfect 😁😂

[@ZzIAmNOTLegendzZ]

I can tell you dont read comics, Batman was able to survive sitting on a chair that gives him infinite knowledge and kicked the wrath of God in the face.... He's too smart for Dex and would punt his jaw into the stone age

[@marcussantos4816]

@@ZzIAmNOTLegendzZ yeah but the idea sounded cool to me at the time. I do read comics just not a lot or don’t make enough time to read them but try to gain knowledge of them.

[@ZzIAmNOTLegendzZ]

@@marcussantos4816 neither do I, but then again, when they call him the Bat-God, you tend to wonder why...

[@RushWheeler]

The only issue with this is that Dexter is literally just James Gordon Jr, who's already a part of Batman / Nightwing's rogues gallery, and he's literally Nightwing's version of Joker. It would just feel weird to have another version of that.

[@actionanimations660]

The actor for Dexter Morgan would make a great James Gordon junior

[@ROCBOI-wr3uh]

Imagine Batman wakes up and all he hears is “let’s play a game” that would go hard

[@dezaina9961]

Jigsaw for sure. Maybe Light.

[@Sam-w3i9q]

Honestly light wouldn't really be much of a problem for batman, but the addition of the death note in dc would be interesting

[@dezaina9961]

@@Sam-w3i9q that’s fair. I feel he would be a good addition since he lost a lot of his sanity at the end of the series. Plus it would be cool seeing how Batman would come to conclusions and theories on capturing him.

[@brotherhoodofsteel4751]

​@@Sam-w3i9qhonestly it depends on who's hunting who first. If it's Light then he has a shot because it's been proven time and time again that it's not that hard to figure out who Batman is

[@Steven-lz1vo]

@@dezaina9961he was crazy at the beginning of the series. The first thing we hear him say is that he wants to cleanse the world. It’s more obvious near the end because of how much more extreme and over the top the show got after L died.

[@dezaina9961]

@@Steven-lz1vo nah. You’re definitely right. 💯

[@BlakeTheGamblingHero]

It's funny when it comes to Jigsaw cause I always thought Jigsaw and his traps were what inspired the Arkham Version of Riddler. Him having these elaborate and downright sadistic traps just for Batman to test wits with. The one that I say could work for both Riddler and Jigsaw, was the riddler's Explosive headlight trap in Arkham city. All those cops being made to walk down a track fearing that if Batman's in their headlights they'd all explode.

[@blacgoat8916]

The guy in the top right!! BRO committed mass murder on a bigger scale than Joker than felt bad. Could Batman and superman really forgive him? He would test they soul😂

[@fish-xv5xn]

I could see Batman taking on public safety, and trying to save denji from makima’s manipulation.

[@OpenBiolabsGuy]

Jigsaw from the Saw movies is basically the Riddler without Batman there to stop him.

[@otakuverse8545]

Its hilarious on how he left out Toji, Makima and ol boy on the top left alone because he knows there too much for batman physically 😂

[@baiter5870]

Makima is an overrated waifu I know you didn't say anything about makima simps, but damn I want makima to rot in hell

[@billyboleson2830]

Don’t like the fans hear that. Batman? Nah it’s “plot man” now

[@mahoganydoughnut6082]

You underestimate batmans ability to bullshit his way to victory.

[@ashurarts7825]

except for makima pretty sure that's the most interesting one here

[@fangirl3323]

I mean if he went for makima, I'd like to see how he would interact with her and knowing damn well that she has multiple lives thanks to her contract

[@faith4657]

What about light, the dynamics would be awesome. Especially for someone who thinks himself a sole protecter against evil.

[@CarrieBearCards34]

You just wanna watch batman put hands on dexter You ain't slick 😂

[@MrNugget-ms6to]

Jigsaw is like a more insane riddler with a messed up moral philosophy, perfect for Batman

[@alialluaibi3008]

Light definitely is the most fitting because he is an example of why the role of the judge and executioner shouldn't fall under any single persons hand ! Batman doesn't kill not because the criminals don't deserve it, he does so because it is easy to slip under the influence of power and just kill because you personally think they deserve it rather than for the sake of justice !

[@unnameduser6472]

I saw Jigsaw and immediately knew that he would be tasking for the Bat, especially since Batman has to choose either to chase him down or save his hostages

[@somerelativleyuninterestin4763]

This probably the best question I’ve seen tbh

[@pixelplayz3268]

Light trying to figure out the identity of Batman would be funny for a bit.

[@RagtagVenom]

An Arkham Asylum Game Room would be insane! Especially if Bats shows up to try and save the players!

[@jaredcassidy7635]

What a coincidence. My Dad was watching Dexter on Netflix all day.

[@jarredbarnes3332]

I'm sorry but to watch the battle of wits between Kira and batman would be incredible. Take my money

[@brotherhoodofsteel4751]

There's been a couple of KZbinrs who have done scenarios based on this. They typically give it to Batman but in my opinion it depends on who's hunting who first.

[@graciemack2002]

Batman vs. Jigsaw would be ABSOLUTE FIRE!!! ❤️‍🔥🔥💯

[@Agentbear420]

The Dexter issues would go crazy cause he'd slaughter Victor Szazz first and then try to take the joker down and instantly be in Batman's radar

[@DabMaster32]

Personally I would like to see how batman and toji interact

[@dariusporter358]

Imagine the death note anime but instead of Light vs L it’s Light vs Batman. That would be hard.

[@thatsinteresting3415]

Except Batman would figure out Light quickly, like L, but he wouldn't have to go through legal methods, and would just beat the truth out of Light.

[@Bear-fz5nz]

Jigsaw and Dexter are perfect for batman. Now the question is, will one of them want to kill the joker or not?

[@olp3850]

Oh they defintly the type to kill joker. The problem isn't if they want to. That's a givin. The problem lies in can they kill the joker. Joker though crazy is also very cunning

[@shotgunfrenzy1225]

Jigsaw would definitely have beef with batman for keeping joker alive and saying batman is Arrogant for not getting rid of joker. Even John in his own Philosophy would end joker himself just to show batman Gotham would be better of.

[@Xero488]

The question isn't would they it's could they the answer is probably no unless they somehow get past jokers guards and hyenas and gas him because he if they engage or send someone to get joker they're getting cooked joker would box TF outta Dexter and whoever John sends as the pig and joker is very smart he might end up setting them up for a trap

[@hellbot.9666]

We need a Spiderman version of this.

[@christionpulliam9870]

Damn batman vs dexter Morgan would be clean asf

[@kadenmedley1367]

It’s actually crazy we’ve never had a villain dedicated to the “you spare lives not worth sparing” aspect of Batman’s character, like the Punisher was for Daredevil.

[@peak4534]

Batman would have the most problem with makima, if she wanted to run Gotham the way she wanted too batman couldn't really do much against her especially if she let's him know what happens if he hurts her.

[@olp3850]

He doesn't kill in the first place. So the contract with the minister wouldn't effect too much. Though it will knock out a lot of ways of traditionally subduing her. Not to mention the amount of other haxs she has. Batman might gonna have to call in the justice leage for her

[@bigred212]

That's what I'm sayin she's just way to strong for him solo

[@Xero488]

He'd have to phone a friend

[@Xero488]

Though I could see him borrowing the phantom zone projector and outsmarting her he denji was able to sneak her and cut her up I feel like Batman could incapacitate her and trap her

[@definitelynotainzooalgown2496]

@@Xero488 Seeing as how she managed to take over an entire country before she can probably get out of the Phantom Zone.

[@sinister434]

Makima, Lalo, Walter are my favorite villains on here. And me personally I would pick Makima, but I’m only on the first bits of CSM so that might not seem like a good matchup later on.

[@baiter5870]

I hate makima, lol

[@Im_Local]

Oh trust me it would be an AMAZING matchup

[@jamesjoe1690]

Batman vs Lalo sounds like fun

[@JackHalloween912]

Make her an enemy to the supernatural side of the dc universe, then I’ll be more interested. Have her go against the endless (Dream and death.)

[@Green-Hybrid3017]

Jigsaw and dexter are true heroes. 🥹

[@shadowy_dog8953]

Nah ur crazy bro ain’t no way

[@Green-Hybrid3017]

@@shadowy_dog8953 they only kill bad people who are irredeemable. 👍

[@ark2074]

Jigsaw is like literally the most evil guy here💀

[@kitothekito915]

Nah jigsaw has put people in the game they didn’t deserve their deaths

[@Green-Hybrid3017]

@@kitothekito915 every one of his victims turns out to be scumbags. 👍

[@Mexrz]

Jigsaw and scarecrow together would be insane but badass

[@ianmcfadden2794]

They would be side quest levels in arkham knight, where after bats finds them, they immediately get one shotted.

[@therando1165]

A Batman versus Jigsaw movie/episode will be fucking amazing.

[@DaichiOkami]

They really put toji and makima here like they would absolutely fucking slaughter batman ☠️☠️☠️

[@Xero488]

Makima maybe but toji would get cooked. batman out stats in every way and he has suits and the batmobile toji probably couldn't even scratch the batmobile and he has a mech designed to fight superman

[@definitelynotainzooalgown2496]

@@Xero488 I mean Maki managed to massacre the entire Zenin Clan in the manga and she was compared multiple times to Toji. Toji is insanely clever and crafty he ain’t no loose canon that’s for sure.

[@Xero488]

@@definitelynotainzooalgown2496 he is clever but I don't see a world where he beats batman. Batman has way too much versatility in his technology he could hit him with mechs missiles the batmobile plus he's fought Deathstroke who out stats toji in every way

[@DaichiOkami]

@@Xero488 "batman outstats in every way" You mean the same batman that caps out at building level with supersonic reactions? You fanboys always use preptime and the alternative suits acting like thats an option. If it were really that easy he wouldn't be getting cooked by bane and killer croc and shit when all of his villains are fodder. Toji is bare minimum large town level in strength making shockwaves from just the movements of his limbs and is high hypersonic in speed. The dude is also literally the same thing as batman. He has a bunch of prep planning and resources at the ready to hunt down a target. The dude made a plan to bypass infinity and nearly killed gojo who's the strongest sorcerer in the verse and would 100% delete batman from existance if they ever fought.

[@DaichiOkami]

@@Xero488 Deathstroke is building level dawg Stop The CAP 🧢🧢🧢

[@wyatt8315]

The only correct answer: all of them

[@JackHalloween912]

I would think that would be cool. In a knightfall inspired storyline where Batman is put to the test once more by this set of new foes!

[@shameyboismith3505]

Yoshikage Kira would be such a cool Batman villan. Him trying to figure out what stands are, how stands work. And how Kira keeps slipping away would be really cool

[@otizirekonkran9659]

Jigsaw in gothem: Welcome degenerates to the first annual Jigsaw Battle royal

[@RestlessRebel]

Dexter Morgan vs James Gordon Jr.