My Thoughts On Joker Folie A Deux

[@Sealfalls]

Joker 2 electric boogaloo would unironically be a banger ass name

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

The Jonkler: Fall of The Broken Sigma would be better

[@DontReadMyProfilePicture113]

*don’t read my name…..😮

[@godhimself688]

​@@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375😐

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

@@godhimself688 I know...I am just gonna leave

[@Anakin_Skywalker01]

Jelker 2 the edge would have been better imo

[@TTastic-pb5nt]

Talk about a fall from grace.

[@DontReadMyProfilePicture113]

*don’t read my name…..😮

[@dylanbowers6292]

​@@DontReadMyProfilePicture113 Nobody cares

[@Buff_lancer]

@@DontReadMyProfilePicture113I have seen you in another comment section before bruv

[@Cruddy129]

the movie lost it all before it even began

[@MMkillsINCTV]

Great example of interesting concept but not well executed

[@omainomai]

"-gets shanked and dies."? Bro you didn't spoil me. You saved me money. Bout to Luffy the hell out of this movie.

[@Buggyglazer]

I am dead

[@Buggyglazer]

Snitch

[@chriskoloski32]

I heard he also got raped or something before he decided to quit being joker

[@ShatteredGlass916]

Lmao he dead? Like really REALLY DEAD?!?! LMFAO 😂😂

[@hirahiro2331]

Honestly

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

This movie should have been called Arthur, because what was even the point of the first movie, because the ending destroyed it completely

[@freddieadams8435]

I mean the first o e should have been called Arthur, because the only thing relating to the Joker in that film is the name, and he just so happens to be in Gotham.

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

@@freddieadams8435 I would have accepted this as an elseworld joker, even Heath did not fall into a vat of chemicals

[@mahiyatsafiyullah7103]

No because Arthur is an amazing film. Arthur's Theme the best you can do is a great song.

[@braydenpage1808]

Parents when they take their kids to go to see what they thought was a movie about an aardvark with Glasses: 😳

[@cmwaves]

No, because then it would be sharing the name of an actually good movie

[@somerelativleyuninterestin4763]

If you told people like, 5 months ago that between this and the animated transformers movie, Transformers would be the one getting critical acclaim, they would’ve slapped you

[@ralphsgachastudio3080]

😂

[@questworldiangreenknight7455]

lol true, I’m still shocked at how amazing that film was, it took a lot of convincing on my brother’s part to go see it, man I’m glad I did instead of Joker 2!

[@mattresskingofnightmares1123]

@@questworldiangreenknight7455Paramount’s marketing team is probably trying to get help from Osama Bin Laden’s ghost

[@darktigersharkmax4432]

The director was basically like "Aight since yall forced me to make this sequel I'm killing any chance I have to be brought back for more" literally after the movie came out bro said he never wants to do DC movies again SOMETHING had to have happened behind the scenes.

[@SecretMagician]

Apparently, Joaquin and Gaga were divas who wanted the script to continuously be rewritten over and over. I also believe some of these executives were responsible for the decisions made, so it soured Todd's love for DC films.

[@toiletsponge]

Stop spreading this bullshit. Phillips WANTED a sequel

[@darktigersharkmax4432]

@@toiletsponge He expressed INTEREST in making a sequel, the original film was still made to be standalone. It's clear the sequel was not the kind of sequel Philips wanted to make.

[@watermelonprom7197]

Yeah it's called Incells... Do you know how many dude saw that movie & thought that the joker was the good guy? He made it a musical & made the joker a fool cause he knew that the Incells would hate it-... (Edit: if ya reply to me then you're an Incell)

[@312pickle]

@@watermelonprom7197do you think that decision wise? Spending millions of dollars, and time to spite a small group of losers? Kinda seems like an incel move if you ask me

[@ZggFghvgGrffht]

Damn, Todd Phillips really didn’t want this to be a franchise, he committed self-sabotage.

[@DontReadMyProfilePicture113]

*don’t read my name…..🌹😮

[@dylanbowers6292]

​@@DontReadMyProfilePicture113 Nobody gives a shit

[@ChiefKeefBangBanq]

@@DontReadMyProfilePicture113 ok

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

@@ChiefKeefBangBanq Diddy is after you

[@magicman3163]

Seems more pretentious because he put a French name

[@wyatt8315]

This movie is the embodiment of “good concept, horrific execution”

[@djaxeman2424]

More like the director did self sabotage because he didn't want to direct the sequel but was forced to.

[@seeonaga1524]

I genuinely don't think I have ever heard of a movie that tries so unbelievably hard to undo everything that the first movie did. I've said this before and I'll say it again, the Joker movie did not need a sequel. I had a small inkling of hope that maybe they could have made it work but obviously they didn't

[@massgunner4152]

The last jedi

[@seeonaga1524]

@@massgunner4152 honestly, that's a pretty good answer lol. Last Jedi was so awful

[@ItsNormenDay]

They definitely did this on purpose!

[@DillionMatt]

@@seeonaga1524 legends was good. If they copy that movie would have done ok. I rather watch Jedi being rebuilt by Luke over Rey

[@colmecolwag]

​@@massgunner4152ironically Rise of Skywalker was the correct answer there lol

[@Gchildwarrior]

Arthur's story ended perfectly in the first one. They could have done the 3 Jokers concept with the two springing him out to lead them as the true Prince of Crime

[@nono9543]

Yeah him competing over the Joker identity with other Jokers sounds way more interesting than the movie we got.

[@Gchildwarrior]

@@nono9543 I thought it was the critics acting up like last time, but the audience reviews killed my hope in seeing this one Like damn, we deserved better than this.

[@Mrbody-tq9uc]

​​@@Gchildwarriorthe first one was shit too, I ended up seeing it 3 times (picked a bit for family movie night at my protest for the 2nd and 3rd times) and each time the flaws became more and more apparent the lack of sense the way they absolutely fucked up the blend of fantasy and real elements due to a lack of detail in certain scenes (the scene where he kills for the first time had too many shots from his gun to have not been a fantasy element but was apparently real for example) the character work really just not being good, the batman elements being shoehorned in to a completely untreated movie seemingly just to use the name of a well known character All the sequel does is make these flaws more apparent My biggest hope for this one was to get an actual joker which ig we sort of do with the way they changed Harley around so much

[@masterace9543]

I think you the only one who think this. The first joker was a good and grounded take with a commentary on how people mistreat the mentally and such. The sequel ruin that with a dramatic shift in the tone and genre of the first movie. It had more focus on Harley than Arthur, so no they didn't do a better portrayal 😅​@Mrbody-tq9uc

[@darklord884]

The first movie systematically destroyed his identity by eroding things he thought he was: - He was NOT a great dancer. - He was NOT a lovable children's entertainer as he got fired and blamed for another guy's crime. - He was NOT a hilarious comedian. - He was NOT the illegitimate son of Thomas Wayne. - He was NOT in a healthy relationship with a kind neighbour. - He was NOT the biological son of Penny Fleck. - He might NOT have even been a real clown as he mentioned someone else say his own clown name was theirs. All this and some other things contributed to Arthur completely losing his self-image, only being able to correctly identify himself by the ONE thing he did that actually mattered: killing those "Wall Street guys." This man lost everything he THOUGHT he knew about himself and decided to cling to the one thing that he DID and that gave rise to this new identity as The Joker. A name he didn't even come up with on his own but the world around him chose FOR him to identify with as it was Thomas Wayne who called him this first and the public picked it up. For THIS man I just described to make the sudden choice that he DOESN'T want to be Joker anymore and he wants to be poor, weak, helpless, pathetic and potentially nonexistent Arthur again, that makes SO little sense I'm surprised the writers themselves aren't in Arkham.

[@hulksmash3429]

A truly perfect overview of the meaning of the first movie and how the second one ruins the point of the first. Well done 👏

[@marvellesaulsberry]

So he learned to deal with more or less accept REALITY? And not live in blissful ignorance? I have not seen the 2nd movie but I can't stand stories where some version of: it was all or mostly faked is a big reveal and that's typically a thing with the joker character which I can't stand anyways imo but let me know if my understanding was wrong feel free to correct or spoil me I'm not goin to see this

[@darklord884]

@@marvellesaulsberry I haven't seen the second movie yet either, but my point was: The first movie deconstructed Arthur's reality to the point he basically went "Alright, fuck it, I'm making my reality out of what I have, killing!" but then the second movie seemingly walks it back and says that no, Arthur is still his reality and he suddenly feels bad about abandoning his status quo. Which is ludicrous since the first movie showed us how genuinely horrible Arthur felt in his own skin, only being happy as Joker once he finally let loose.

[@tngaming50]

​@@darklord884 It shouldn't make any sense for Joker 2 to be a thing now. Just like you said in the 1st movie, the character Arthur is being deconstructed by the fact that's not Arthur at all there was no Arthur to begin with. It's the Joker coming to life. Joker 2 (I haven't seen) seems like it's doing it backwards instead, Joker kills Arthur becuz Arthur is not Joker? Wtf?

[@darklord884]

@@tngaming50 Pretty much like you said, yeah. What's worse is that there was potential for this to be good. We haven't seen the process of Joker brainwashing Harley in real time, so if the movie focused on how this Joker dazzled her with his unearthly confidence born of his new identity and sense of purposeless purpose, that could have actually been pretty solid as a movie about both giving in to your demons and the responsibility of fans to realise the immorality of their own idols. In today's climate of every celebrity being accused and then pardoned of some reprehensible action sooner or later, a movie about a deranged criminal celebrity brainwashing someone through her fascination with him could have been interesting. You know if they didn't make it the point of the film that he's a pathetic sad sack after all.

[@andreasschaeflein4233]

The fact they made it to where he's not even the joker at all... WHAT WAS THE WHOLE POINT OF BOTH MOVIES THEN?!

[@endoskel9262]

Seriously, who the hell gave the ok on this shit

[@Godzilla_Beast_of_Revelation]

I guess Heath Ledger now wins as the best Live Action Joker now.

[@BCCSquidward]

I was not expecting you here after Omni-Man VS Bardock. 😂

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

Ending even implies it too

[@Marvelfanatic3658]

Just ignore this movie, and both Jokers are great in their own ways.

[@Future_Edits2.0]

@@BCCSquidward I saw ur comment too lol

[@Pr0m3th3us86]

Wdym he always won/is the best live action joker

[@COCO-tm3gp]

Anyway, everyone better go make sure that Transformers One and the Wild Robot succeed in theaters

[@CoraCreates]

Superheroes are out. Robots are in.

[@o0bookwyrmknight0o]

@@CoraCreatesThis is the Year of the Apes and Robots.

[@o0bookwyrmknight0o]

I’m waiting to see TFO with a friend! Really want to see and support the film! I loved the Wild Robot!

[@fanime1]

Especially Wild Robot. I know Transformers fans are really dedicated and that movie will do fine. But Wild Robot is a relatively unknown IP. The movie was good and I want more. I want a lore-filled sequel so bad!

[@blueblazedemon]

The promise Neverland treatment

[@vincent207]

Ouch, you're not wrong.

[@COCO-tm3gp]

Wdym that show never got a season 2

[@blueblazedemon]

@@COCO-tm3gp yes it did and it flopped badly

[@christianvondruska8244]

​@@blueblazedemon Pretty sure he was being sarcastic...

[@COCO-tm3gp]

@@blueblazedemon nuh uh

[@allforone3427]

I don't wanna live in a timeline where Joker 2 and Morbius have the same score.

[@bigred212]

Damn 💀 joker 2 was that trash I was thinking about seeing it to just see for myself I'm not too sure about that 😅

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

Is the Jonkler gonna Jonkillion dollars

[@NoahToledo-xo5pj]

Well I have good news for you, Joker is actually lower!

[@SumitSStark]

We're truly living in the darkest knightmare timeline

[@CoraCreates]

THEN LET’S LOWER IT.

[@bigyoshi5170]

*Joker never existed apparently* “Guess I’ll die.” -Arthur Fleck

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

He degraded as a character, went back to Arthur

[@ChiefKeefBangBanq]

@@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375 that just makes the first film pointless then

[@hiitsalex6780]

Joker: "Nah, I'd win."

[@Charlie-lr4mc]

5/10 is very generous considering on what it could of been

[@Laxhoop]

This really didn’t have to suck, but Todd wanted to ensure it did.

[@Achieme]

A comment summed this up perfectly Thor 4 🤝 Joker 2 = Directors who didn't want to make a sequel but were pressured by the studio

[@malcsbgoonie]

5 out of 10 is too generous. That movie was straight doo doo water in my opinion

[@d0ntfeedphil447]

Todd Phillips never wanted a Sequel and made sure to teach the studio and audience a lesson.

[@toiletsponge]

Misinformation

[@312pickle]

Audience getting taught a lesson is crazy work. “They gave me another multi million dollar opportunity, ILL SHOW THEM” goofy ahh

[@rickyulman]

gets shanked and dies... gets shanked and dies?... GETS SHANKED AND DIES!?

[@nathanhuerta4445]

Then the dude who shanked him cuts a smile into his own face, revealing that he was the real Joker and the one we were following was just his inspiration.

[@hulksmash3429]

​@nathanhuerta4445 That's stupid. Way to steal the spotlight from the main character amd give it to a random guy for shock factor

[@gremmythoumeaux2393]

Some movies should never have a continuation. I can’t imagine a sequel that gave a bigger fall from grace after the 1st movie.

[@zacharymccoy7091]

Guys, it's Jokever.

[@RandomPersonProbably]

I would like to imagine this movie is just the imaginary scenario Arthur was thinking when he told the therapist lady “You wouldn’t get it” at the end of the first movie.

[@Kirbo710]

Well, im seated for the wild robot rn, so I'm hoping its great Edit (after watching): its amazing, 10/10

[@keiththegreater]

Bruh, I saw it that movie last night. It had no business that great of a movie

[@aaunyea4799]

I saw it this movie, it was amazing!

[@fanime1]

​@@keiththegreaterit's from the same director as Lilo and Stitch. It has every right to be that good.

[@JeezAlax]

Thaaaaaank you, saved me from wasting time and money for the ending of "gives up, goes to prison and gets shanked."

[@kevinp.h157]

You gave it a 5/10 and yet this is the highest rating someone has given joker 2 so far

[@CephalonAxii]

WHoa, whoa, what?! The movie ends with him quitting being The Joker?! AAND THEN HE FUCKING DIES?!

[@chief664]

First they kill Han Solo then make Luke give up, then Indiana Jones got punched in the face and knocked out at the end of his own damn movie, and now Joker takes it in the rear. Hollywood just can't help but tear down every fan favorite character.

[@kidflash7324]

Fr

[@justmyluck624]

Online incels try not to tie everything back to Star Wars challenge (LITERALLY impossible) Seriously, stfu, this has NOTHING TO DO with anything you said.

[@marvellesaulsberry]

Didn't Harrison Ford say he wanted han solo to get killed off so he wouldn't have to play that character anymore?

[@comrade2826]

Apparently the movie was bad because the director said he hated how everyone liked him as the joker so this Sequel is some what a flip off to the original movie

[@azenar1894]

Arthur realized he wasnt him when he heard his twink getting strangled is crazy work 😭😭😭

[@brockk141]

I actually enjoyed the ending cause it shows you that arthur was just a depressed person with many mental disabilities and problems just from his childhood

[@neonspectacle1298]

Him renouncing joker, should've came at the start, so that when Harley shows up he can build himself back into it, that would have saved the movie. But considering how the first one ended, it would be kinda repeating itself

[@jhaysoncarter1900]

That's a really generous 5

[@ThatSpecificIndividual]

More like Foile a Deuce.

[@CatMaster90001]

Underrated comment

[@retronimo]

Lmao, got 'em

[@bronzdeck6412]

What I don't like about is that this is that it has literally nothing to with the Joker. You could take out all references to Joker and DC from these movies and nothing changes. Arthur is not Joker, he acts nothing like Joker, his motivations share nothing with Joker, his skills share nothing with Joker. The only resemblences between the two is the Clown aesthetic. Why are these movies even called Joker?

[@Burning-Twilight]

Probably because if it was called something like Arthur, audiences would be less enticed to go see it. Now if you slap the name Joker a pop culture icon for DC and comics as a whole then you get peoples attention.

[@babiestbadge1302]

The first one is called Joker because I imagine they wanted to do their own origin story for him. It seemed like they took out of The Killing Joke's playbook and gave the character a more sympathetic/tragic, in addition to being an arguably realistic character. The second movie just feels like intentional self sabotage. I keep seeing everyone say that the movie was bad on purpose because the first one was never meant to have a sequel, but idk. I was kinda hoping they would make The Joker and The Batman movies take place in the same continuity, and giving us more realistic and nuanced depictions of the Caped Crusader and his Rogues Gallery Guess that's never happening now tho lol

[@Burning-Twilight]

@@babiestbadge1302 The Batman movie universe already has a person in place to one day become the Joker. He was in a cell next to Riddler at the end of the film. Phoenixs character was never going to be part of the aforementioned universe.

[@nono9543]

Tbf that's the same issue I had with the first Joker movie.

[@twincesseszeigler4366]

I haven't watched it yet,but I knew that the Harley Quinn not being like harley quinn was going to fail.

[@VMB01996]

Him getting shanked is crazy 🤣

[@lordyoda9382]

And also getting back shots

[@bigzubber]

They literally found a perfect formula and said “nah let me show you something even more boring than high school musical itself” shut was boring, uninspired and just a drag, I couldn’t even concentrate, plus Harley is dog water, it’s one thing to make your own character and not follow the original work, but when the character is so ass compared to the original I start to hate, if you wanna switch it up that’s fine but make it good. A standalone it’s not terrible, still boring but as a sequel to what we had, shit was ass.

[@Exe91109]

Transformers one deserved this type of marketing

[@Platinum_Baskets]

Joker 2 is the best definition of "being less than the sum of its parts".

[@ParkwayDrive313]

“That was trash.” Gives it an average score.

[@zenketski]

I mean mid is a synonym for terrible nowadays.

[@fatterplatter3029]

​@@zenketski But it really shouldn't be. I don't understand how "trash" could be considered a 5/10

[@3ds_fellgod-myhopewillneve617]

I think he was just referring to the ending itself, not the movie as a whole.

[@CoraCreates]

Considering What’s Up? Balloon To The Rescue exists, yeah.

[@zenketski]

@@fatterplatter3029 it shouldn't be. but thats how people use it.

[@stephenantonsson_II]

They tried to do a soulless cash grab but failed to make the movie appeal to any demographic whatsoever

[@MRbug_423]

I believe Tod and Phoenix both had no interest in this movie. Both of them, on record, said they wouldn't do a sequel, and the first movie speaks and completes itself. But, y'know, WB forced this to be made because what the movie made what 1.2 billion. I also think that's why the risk was made to turn this into a musical

[@Wooperbro]

Look Back came out on the same day, WATCH THAT PLEASE ITS SO MUCH BETTER

[@nono9543]

Yeah I didn't mind the ending or the idea of the Joker persona outliving its creator. My problem is that I wish the film tackled that theme with effort instead of making it a musical. Just felt gimmicky.

[@Scowleasy]

Yeah, that’s the point. The entire move is about exploitation. NOBODY cares about *arthur* , they care about the joker. The instant he dropped the joker is the instant everyone dropped *him* . They were all exploiting arthur in different ways. Hell, the joke is even on the *audience* too. All the people complaining are the exact type of person this movie is calling out. You never cared about Arthur, and you never cared about these movies, all you cared about was what *you wanted*

[@massimilianoreali4398]

Yes because this is what movies are invented for they are invented for giving the audience what they want and yes we all cared about the joker not Arthur and I don't care if the movie call me out on that

[@Scowleasy]

@@massimilianoreali4398 congrats, I guess. have fun being the real clown here

[@Nagakon]

Except people have been misunderstanding the message. We SHOULD care about Arthur because he was not the Joker. Never was. He was meant to be the one to elevate the message of chaos and defiance against the Gotham elite, thus inspiring the riots that make people like Joe Chill decide to go mug Thomas Wayne and his family. Arthur was the stepping stone, he was the underdog. We were all looking out for Arthur because he is just a common man, a common man with a bad day. Sound familiar?

[@massimilianoreali4398]

@@Nagakon more than misunderstanding people didn't wamted that this was the message and we didn't had any idea that this was the message they wanted to give there was nothing that pointed that this was the message that the film wanted to give before his release and so our expectations got distorted because we didn't had any guidelines on what this film would had centered and the film itself its called the Joker so you can't than say no I am not at this point you changed the title with the joker:Arthur and Harley at least we would had a idea that it centered about the person and not the image because everyone expected a Arthur going deeper in the role of the joker to the point of becoming it

[@TheSpaceCommunist]

The problem with this is that Arthur doesn't have his own identity -- he has no past, no occupation, no family, absolutely nothing. He became the Joker as a tragic, horrific way of self-actualization; there just isn't any separating the two. Moreover, being the Joker was his way of lashing out at people he thought had wronged him. If this movie were true to his character, Arthur would've started killing Harley and the rest the moment he found out they were using his persona to their benefit.

[@justsomeguy7077]

The only thing I know about this movie is that an AVGN skit now acts as a spolier.

[@songoku-uy8ni]

5/10 is mighty generous

[@dragonhitman1071]

One of the kindest reviews and probably the only. Lol

[@brunowillich1837]

If Joker didn't have plot armor

[@CRGS-Joker-Looney2100]

As a person that unfortunately never watched this movie. I would give a 5/10 too, if there was less musical or no musical, just focus a story about Arthur of who he is. Then maybe the story would be a 8/10 or 7.5/10 in my personal opinion.

[@Tony-tq5cz]

This movie made me feel like a disappointed parent 💀

[@fatterplatter3029]

You called it trash, yet gave it 5/10. That's the hump of the bellcurve

[@Peacove]

I actually like this movie guys. Get mad if you want but it was a good movie imo

[@Naotahaley]

*the ONLY way they can come back from this movie if they make a 3rd one bro is to make this one a bad dream Arthur had like deadass*

[@frankfreeman1553]

Joker 1: THE Rise Joker 2: THE Fall

[@habibconteh9153]

I knew ppl weren’t gonna understand the ending. They never planned for the joker to be fulfilled with this character. The joker becomes an idea a character, a state of mind. Arthur always wanted to be his own person and he becomes that. But this world, his relationships, this movie, are all about joker. The moment Arthur stops being joker, he stops being useful and dies. Don’t devalue a movie just because you never got the writing

[@massimilianoreali4398]

Its not about getting the writing but not getting what the people wanted to see the people wanted to see him accept the idea of the joker because this is what everyone expected the film was about

[@landonletterman831]

A 5 out of 10 is generous, when the first movie didn't even score for me. This was just a hastily rubbed out cash grab. Great acting, great sets, fantastic direction, but the story lets it down: No Batman, _no Joker!_ Forget the "you failed to save me, causing my disfiguration," origins of the character, let's even forget the "I would be nothing without you" Heath Ledger impression on the character! *EVERYTHING* about the Joker is cast in a twisted image of Batman! Gotham has a hand in creating him, and I see a bunch of good representations of that, but so many of them try to have this character form in a vacuum without his inspiration! Batman is gonna dress in dark colors and sneak around? Joker gonna dress in bright colors and dance around in the open (if just to force Batman out of the shadows) Batman is going to haunt the criminals of Gotham for taking his normal life Joker is going to terrorize the people of Gotham for thinking they can have a normal life when he no longer can Batman wants you to live in fear of him Joker wants you to expire laughing from him It is the Joker that necessitates a "Bat-Signal" in a world where Bruce would largely want to remain an urban legend. And if Thomas and Martha Wayne were alive in the first movie (I recall her giving a speech on the news) that puts us around 15-20 years away from the emergence of a fully trained Batman.....making this Joker a 60 -70 year old chain smoking failed comedian in clown make-up.

[@landonletterman831]

*"IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE THE DARK KNIGHT OF JUSTICE, THEN I'LL BE THE CLOWN PRINCE OF CRIME!!!"* It is *NOT* that hard, people!!!!!

[@digitalfantasies4570]

I disagree, Batman's villians are often foils to different parts of batman, but they also have identities and problems that can be expanded upon as separate stories. Such as clayface being so desperate to remain a star that he disfigured himself or dollface so distraught to be forgotten that she kidnapped and tried murdering the original cast of the show that left her behind or poison ivy trying to protect plants from humanity. Yes joker does work well when put next to batman but that doesn't mean he can't function on his own, and the criticaly aclaimed Joker movie would suggest exactly that. The first movie set up joker as a symbol of the violent and broken system found in Gotham, that even an everyday man can break down and commit heinous acts of violence without any care given a bad enough day, in which gotham has many bad days. It was joker in that movie who inspired a criminal to shoot and murder Bruce's parents. Joker is a foil to batman but batman is also a foil to joker. And just as you can have a standalone batman movie followed by him meeting joker, you can do the same in reverse. If joker had met batman in the sequel, having to directly combat the ramifications of his action from the first film, then the sequel would of been amazing but that doesn't mean joker can't function on his own without batman or that batman is necessary for the joker as a character.

[@goldenegg8of100]

Him having a time of lucidity makes sense to me. That other inmate being killed for believing in and following him temporarily shocked him out of his joker state. Revolutionaries often turn on leaders who give up on the dream.

[@C0micfan]

He just gets diddyed and then all of a sudden doesn’t wanna be joker 🤡

[@Mr.Platinum656]

I thought this movie would’ve been great as a pseudo three jokers plot

[@kokayinewsome9308]

Welp I hope Superman is really good.

[@CyberKnightMiky]

I knew this film wouldn't be good (since this is a Warner Bros film remember), but I didn't expect them to just screw up this badly. Talk about character assassination!

[@I_love_bread_and_Hungry_Jacks]

Honestly, a 3 jokers origin story plot would've been a better sequel for Joker 2019

[@SuperMandibleclaw]

This feels like a movie that hates it's audience

[@Monack909]

Really been enjoying these recent movie review videos, always love hearing your thoughts

[@soullister1269]

Nobody wanted a sequel except DC executives because they missed out on making bank with the first one.

[@jourdonpatron212]

The director made this movie trash on purpose and said "I'M OUT" and just dipped. I'm not even exaggerating, that's literally what happened.

[@TheRibottoStudios]

Been a long time since I hated a movie ending this viscerally.

[@COSun25]

When folks say that you ripped off the switcheroo of "The Joker" from the 'GOTHAM' TV series, you KNOW something's wrong. The guy that shot Bruce's parents in the 1st 'Joker' film is basically going to take up that Joker mantle just like what happened in 'Batman '89'.

[@gabrielvega1374]

I really like these movie reviews

[@thatonekid5797]

It would have been better had it been a movie with songs, like they speak normally but sometimes they sing if it really had to involve music at all.

[@sharpshooter33]

Could be one of thoae "the part of him that didnt want to be Joker died in prison" type endings

[@society7394]

They actually did the South Park in Indiana Jones bit put on ironically

[@VoltitanDev]

Hold up all that build up and Joker just dies wtf

[@intergalacdab9191]

i said this to my mom (who mind you, is a big joker (2k19) fan, who had her lockscreen/wallpaper set as joker for about over a year) as we walked out of the auditorium: that it was just an overdramatised court/trial film

[@cupcakelife2362]

Joker not wanting to be Joker anymore and then just getting shanked and dying doesn't sit right with me. At all. The first Joker movie had a great ending, wtf happened to this one?

[@BlueBamboo9]

It's been an extremely long time since I've been excited for a sequel... I didn't watch cause of the musical aspect, but hearing all that? I'm happy I'm able to keep my 2+ hours of time.

[@stallionsLP]

I swear, the moment Heath Ledger died, the Joker role legit became cursed for almost everyone else. Jared Leto to this day still hasn't recovered from this, Mark Hamill is basically done with the role once the main reason he did the role died, and now Phoenix ended up with this one role obliterated because the director didn't want to do a sequel at all. At this point, maybe we should just retire the character before he ruins countless other actors/ect. simply because DC refuses to let the Joker finally die due to marketing/merch.

[@McLovinMods]

The media failed so hardly at convincing people that the first one was a bad movie that they had convinced the director and producer to just make a bad sequel

[@tytheaniman497]

Thank you sparing me the full amount of disappointment I would’ve felt from this movie. To think I believed WB cooked with this shit. Nah, they pulled some corny ass bullshit. There’s only one Joker film now.

[@averagejoe8639]

It's a musical? Now that got me thinking about the days my high school did only musicals as plays every year, and this could potentially become one.

[@marshalsunrise6582]

Honestly my personal opinion was we all mistook part one and didn't see it the way the writer's and director's wanted us to see it , like they failed successfully and part 2 is the real vision they wanted to give us 😊

[@christopherhawkins6985]

omg now i understand after hearing what happens why just why they had something i never understood why people hated the first one its so realistic almost like a horror vibe and had a intriguing message that shoud be heard

[@SkullpunkArt]

I work at a movie theater, and yeah that’s been the general thing people have said.

[@bubba8701]

Venom 3, it's up to you to save the October box office

[@YourOnlyHero]

Haven't even seen the 1st but guess ill check both out

[@Wild_Card69]

As a Lady Gaga fan, I have seen Gaga in "A Star is Born" and "House of Gucci" as one of the lead roles. The fact that she only had at least five minutes of screen time compared to both film roles is underwhelming. Todd Phillips killed the potential of her portrayal of Harley just by not doing enough with her and it makes me miffed because she's a good actress on top of being a great singer and performer.

[@founboy78]

How I describe the ending like a game that has multiple endings. We got the bad ending instead of the true one.

[@SarcyBoi41]

Some people think the director just wanted to ensure no one else could ruin it even more with endless sequels, so he decided to just ruin it himself and make sure they CAN'T make more sequels.

[@Future_Edits2.0]

Hopefully he covers Deathbattle Fight With Omni-Man Vs Bardock

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

Garbage results Cool Animation

[@Future_Edits2.0]

@@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375 agreed

[@bigred212]

Did they have omniman win somehow 💀

[@Future_Edits2.0]

@@bigred212 yep They even gave him Oozaru Form & SUPER SAIYAN and he still lost

[@bigred212]

@@Future_Edits2.0 ....

[@FOF275]

I'm gonna bet WB will learn absolutely nothing and we'll get a spinoff Harley Quinn musical with Lady Gaga

[@hyper_adhd_kid]

IT COLD HAVE BEEN GOOD. But they had set ups with no payoffs and didn't fully commit to the musical angle. Most of the numbers that either don't move the story, or take place in his head!!

[@xryxxsstv3227]

We need movie directors that actually listen to fans ,The "sonic fandom " is doing this perfectly. ITS NOT THAT HARD.

[@FIRE_BOMB1]

The Slayer v. Goku

[@austingallo4023]

What people don’t seem to realize is that Arthur was NEVER going to fight Batman. He’s not a criminal mastermind and he never had any real chance at being happy. He’s ill and he has no real attributes besides unwittingly starting the inspiration for what the joker is. I actually think that’s a much more fascinating story then him actually becoming the “real” joker