Blind Betrayal - The Fate of Paladin Danse - Fallout 4 Lore

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[@comradecrunch9657]

17:41 Preston: I cant believe you just stood by and let Maxon murder your friend. Synth or not he deserved better from you. *Also Preston: walks on danse*

[@depressionpie4859]

That is so me

[@brendankelly2653]

Also there a settlement that's needs our help, here I'll mark it on the map 😂

[@comradecrunch9657]

@@brendankelly2653 I hate you

[@brendankelly2653]

@@comradecrunch9657 😁

[@hhaking9656]

Also doesn't help

[@c-side5462]

Brotherhood: executes trusted member after finding they are a synth Also brotherhood: let’s nick valentine, strong, and Hancock on board with no questions asked

[@goku3460]

*raises finger* *takes in breath* ... you got a point there

[@variks567]

Exactly

[@hhaking9656]

And orders you to kill Virgil

[@dougdimadome9287]

The math checks out

[@mahamann7734]

I didn't know da hankok is synth

[@daltonmalkowicz2689]

I just want to hear Paladin Danse say "To infinity, and beyond!" dang it!

[@mczenk5095]

I had a mod for that and his power armor looked like Buzz Lightyear too ha

[@a.i17]

Jfc, good connection... The HOOD! L0L

[@qxincx9197]

ik i wasnt the only one😂😂😂

[@a.i17]

@@kalen2465 His voice is spot on, and as far as the visuals; it's the headgear he wears..

[@velvetsparrow]

Kalen Boies Tim Allen, actually

[@BunnyOfThunder]

The real tragedy to not having the fourth ending is the quest could have been called "Danse Danse Revolution"

[@DarrenRodda]

YES. SO MUCH YES.

[@TurtleTime26]

Goddammit this is too good gjsncjzjd

[@Edmonton-of2ec]

LMFAO

[@uberboomer8670]

Bethesda, hire this man!!

[@LeigonX]

That's just as good as Curie: Become Human

[@robodadinosaur5138]

I love how you’re just talking about the brotherhood of steel while you’re killing everyone and blowing up the prydwen in the background

[@casket99s]

because they deserve it

[@zargos4587]

@@casket99s no they don't

[@taelim6599]

@@zargos4587 How?

[@aHumanBeing97]

They deserve it because of what they did to the courier in the Mojave Wasteland.

[@blankblank5409]

LyrX HEY! >:(

[@Tradeofjane]

Maxson: "Flesh is Flesh. Machine is machine. The two were never meant to intertwine." Says the man with cybernetic implants.

[@57ashdot]

I did find that line super ironic considering how many of the BoS soldiers are encased in Power Armor most of the time.

[@supersneakyshrub3975]

Paplocino Found the wannabe Paladin

[@katarinakarpe2931]

Yeah maxsons is just a nuthead

[@katarinakarpe2931]

@@57ashdot yeah that's kind of funny

[@karlkeortge7370]

Synths are the result of man trying to play God, they must be destroyed

[@grafzpln2344]

WAIT so if I am correct if you are a part of the institute Father AKA shaun (your son) says that they used his DNA to make synths.... So isn't Paladin Danse technically YOUR SON?

[@paumpaumwerson3191]

Gairbage underrated comment

[@Chuy861]

I think he'd be a grandpa

[@CommandoIvan]

OH MY GAAAAAAHHDDD.

[@4qtips]

Wait..

[@michaelechiribel3600]

Wow never thought of it that way

[@mesmereyesthesimpleminded9607]

There's a cut quest called "Elderly Care" where Danse challenges Maxson to a dual for control of the Brotherhood of Steel. Danse is scripted to win, and after that he tries to convince you to become Elder, which you can You can also pass a red speech check to convince DANSE to become the new elder, which if you pass he does. I really wish they had kept that quest in the game and if there's a mod that restores it I want it

[@alpacalover0]

Danse Dilemma is the mod name iirc.

[@Mr_Gray_1995]

:0

[@glitchvlogs6597]

A new title to my throne

[@shadowrose1859]

There actually is a mod for it on pc and Xbox. I believe it's called The Danse Dillema. Us Playstation people are screwed though unless they add it to the next gen update that's supposed to come out

[@dennissmith4366]

​@@alpacalover0was about to say I'm pretty sure I played a mod that restored that quest

[@ApexPredatorOutdoors]

I have a mod on my NCR Ranger mask that allows me to see synths in-game. I always wondered why Danse was showing up (glowing) as a synth...

[@zaclarkin1683]

What mod?

[@gamerdick775]

Wow

[@rogeriosayao5916]

You tried a mirror using this mod yet?

[@NWolfsson]

@00rphb "Part of the fun is finding out whom are replicants and whom are the real humans" OK that sentence makes me wish to put a unicorn origami in Dance's quarters x)

[@lefishe2258]

Wait where do you find the ncr ranger mask in fallout 4?

[@rage_2000]

Damm, Danse is so badass that he said “ad victoriam” even after Maxson had cut his throat

[@EnclaveSgt]

Badass all right. He even says Ad Victoriam after I blew him into little bloody chunks

[@Freefire-xm8vt]

Even though he is ordered to be executed, he is loyal to the bitter end.

[@Random_Crow3]

He even said it when I blew his head off.

[@SirDankleberry]

Maxson was a bitch, Danse was the true chad of the Brotherhood.

[@subscribetonosandgang4730]

@@SirDankleberry true but I saved my game before killing paladin Danse so I could kill maxson later

[@lsswappedcessna]

We can Danse if we want to.

[@r3dp9]

And if your friends don't Danse, and if they can't Danse, then their no friends of mine.

[@themudpit621]

And we can dress real neat From our hats to our feet And surprise 'em with the victory cry

[@D2N13L_]

to be an effective part of the team you need to know your way around the *danse* Floor

[@tjponce7124]

You can leave Your friends behind.

[@tjponce7124]

We can leave Your friends behind.

[@scotterbean1278]

The voice acting between Danse and Maxson and the mocap is so good.

[@TYLKOPOLSKA940]

When I was playing danse was nacked I also couldn't kill him

[@CodyDeadInside]

​@@TYLKOPOLSKA940did you get his uniform when he was in power armor?

[@TYLKOPOLSKA940]

@@CodyDeadInside no

[@CodyDeadInside]

@@TYLKOPOLSKA940 well then i have no idea to why he was naked

[@giovannicesaramorim9adigan961]

I doubt there is mocap

[@RelativelyBest]

It would have kicked ass to have been able to become the Elder of the Brotherhood. Meanwhile, in Skyrim... *Tolfdir:* Well, we somehow didn't blow up half of Winterhold again, but the Archmage is dead. I know I have seniority around here and generally have "wizard headmaster" written all over me, but I think you should be the new Archmage. *Dragonborn:* You do recall I'm not even part of the faculty, right? I'm a _student._ Heck, I'm not even good at magic, I solve most problems by stabbing them. *Tolfdir:* Eh, details.

[@cxx23]

This is great because I played a beefy high elf two hander that I (expertly) made look like a huge nord. Zero magic. I liked to think they let me lead because they assumed I'm adept at magic.

[@TheAsvarduilProject]

@@cxx23 High Elves are born with extra magicka. Wizards use magicka. Therefore, you're a wizard. QED College of Winterhold-style.

[@cxx23]

@@TheAsvarduilProject I have this amazing spell where my enormous war-hammer inflicts the status effect called "bits everywhere! By the 8!".

[@HolyknightVader999]

If only Fallout had that in spades. Any Fallout character could rise to the occasion, and: Become the Caesar of the Legion Become Elder of the Brotherhood Become the Enclave and NCR President Out of all of those, the only thing that the player can take over is New Vegas in Fallout New Vegas.

[@MJroxOXO]

I'm pretty sure there's a mod, though

[@zekegunty3498]

Oxhorn:*is slaughtering everyone on the prydwen* Also Oxhorn: What if the institute makes Danse an assassin?

[@craigmccune6066]

so true tho

[@BBBHuey]

One of the key facts that is greatly overlooked in this video. Danse is still an Institute synth.

[@whafflete6721]

@@BBBHuey I thought he was "Lost or escaped" on the mentioned list?

[@raycegumpxx2209]

Wasn’t me. It was Danse. Totally

[@yelekiyelaine6748]

@@BBBHuey well I don't know if your what the person who made this video refers to as a "synth hating brotherhood knight" or if you just didn't notice he was an escapee

[@TheMaghorn]

I like to think the Paladin Danse we see in Blind Betrayal wasn't the same person we met at the police station, because I don't believe the Brotherhood wouldn't be able to figure out he's a synth over the amount of time it would take Danse to become a Paladin. I say he was human when the recon team was deployed, but at some point was killed in action and replaced by a synth when the player isn't looking. It doesn't make executing him easier, but at least I'm not killing the Danse I met.

[@redrocketrider]

TheMaghorn That.... that actually isn't lore breaking.... damn...

[@TwoBs]

I know you said you'd like to _think_ that's how it went (as would I), but based off of the evidence given to us in the game, (which is what the lore has to run off of), it doesn't make sense for it to happen that way. In the Institute's SRB terminal it states that he (meaning the synth) had _escaped_ and the known location is at the Boston Airport. Due to the BOS being there and being heavily armed, it would be a risky operation to send in a courser to capture him, so they instead insist they keep a tab on the place so to speak. If he was an intentional plant sent to replace the real Danse, who is supposed to be KIA in your theory, then the SRB terminal would not have him on their "escaped" list. It would simply not be in the terminal at all, and they would have just sent him. Sure, we can speculate the Institute is very shady/sneaky and could have done something in between the time the SS first met him at the Cambridge Police Station - something that would pertain to gathering info on the SS, influencing them somehow, etc. - but going with what is given to us, it's reaching. Bethesda should have really, _really_ explored Danse's story much more than they did. I know there was files that never made it into the game that gave us a different ending for the BOS faction, but even then if they were implemented, it would have made for an even shittier and rushed ending that would have players wondering WTF as if the BOS as a whole would just accept it, in my opinion. It all seems so rushed and garbled together. They should have fleshed out Danse's dialogue more after he found out, and if you decided to keep him alive, I feel there should have been at least another quest, or hell even more dialogue than rehashed BOS "AD VICTORIAM! THIS IS FOR THE BROTHERHOOD!" lines he still says if you have him as a companion afterwards. There was just so much potential - something I thought maybe a DLC would explore more into, but nope. Poor Danse.

[@redrocketrider]

TheMaghorn Oh wait- Danse is a Railroad Synth, not an Institute one. This counters some of your arguments as well, +Oxhorn

[@thewerewolff7248]

but what if he was replaced BEFORE you met him. What if he was replaced upon going to the commonwealth?

[@TheMaghorn]

***** I do have a couple issues with this. Danse says he always believed he was human and had no memories of being a synth, which implies that if he escaped his memories would have been altered by the Railroad, and probably his face like with Harkness and other synths. If this is the case, then why would the Institute have his image and dna on record? If this isn't the case, why doesn't Danse remember being in the Institute? It seems like the SRB entry was added after they decided to make Danse a synth and they didn't really think it through, otherwise the Institute would have had to identify Danse as an escaped synth, get his dna while he's in the Commonwealth with the recon team, and update his profile without alerting the Brotherhood.

[@Scotttjt]

There's actually some subtle foreshadowing about Danse's true nature: Both in the Cambridge Police Station and aboard the Prydwen, there are terminal entries that reveal Danse has been having frequent headaches, been unable to sleep properly and experiencing abstract nightmares when he did. Probably a malfunction in the Synth Component, or whatever process was used to wipe/reprogram his memories prior to him joining the Brotherhood was botched, resulting in the aforementioned headaches

[@tugalord]

Could also be PTSD though

[@zemonito]

Post Traumatic Synth Disorder

[@samuelbishop3316]

Probably just PTSD to be honest. Synths can have that.

[@dankbonkripper2845]

I think it's probably due to receiving the signals from the institute mixed with all the signals coming from brotherhood gear. We don't know of any other synth canonically that gets to to spend so much time around the brotherhood technologies. he could handle one or the other, but not both.

[@DapperCthulhu5182]

I think the reason Maxson allows Danse to live is plain as day, and Maxson says it himself - it's because of the Sole Survivor. At the point in the BoS questline where Blind Betrayal takes place, the SS has proven themself to be every bit Danse's equal, and even superior. The SS cleared out Fort Strong, restored Liberty Prime, and even waded into the Glowing Sea to get Prime's nuclear payload. The SS is invaluable to Maxson, the greatest soldier to ever be seen by the Brotherhood, and he can't risk losing them over one synth. So that's why Maxson allows this one Knight to convince him to spare Danse's life; he sees the potential in the Sole Survivor and can't lose that.

[@TheReal_Antrey]

And all this happen in like what? A weekend? Personaly I wouldn't want someone like that against me either

[@-DeScruff]

Not to mention. They are a Vault Dweller. It seems to be a stereotype that people in Vault suits tend to not survive on the surface for every long. But, every now and again there are a few who in a short amount of time accomplished seemingly impossible things (Some even working with the Brotherhood) and become living legends. Its best to not get on their bad side, as they can and have completely destroyed factions.

[@MaxPayne-gs4vb]

Too bad he didn't considered those things in my playthrough. I tried every option to convice him, none of them worked and had to let him kill Danse.

[@zerotodona1495]

DapperCthulhu greatest? Lol lone wander you mean.

[@sgt.krakatoa1093]

For some reason I read “SS” as in “Super Saiyan”

[@justasgriskevicius3492]

*says any technology that's gone too far must be destroyed* *builds a 50-foot tall robot that throws mini-nukes and one-shot kills vertibirds with its eyes*

[@floofitoaster2168]

We know its a robot tho

[@craigmccune6066]

@@floofitoaster2168 that dosint help

[@jonathanpeddicord1598]

kinda like saying all because we know a nuke is a nuke its fine

[@sonaoanh7402]

Original that robot didn't made by BoS, its Mr.House's product.

[@iloveyourunclebob]

Says the institute shouldn't have played God by making synths, wants to play God by murdering sentient beings

[@NWolfsson]

"He wasn't born from the womb of a loving mother" Good thing every human mother is loving, huh..?

[@geniusgamerr4517]

Cait was an example

[@TheReal_Antrey]

*Cait disliked that*

[@scoobersceeber9021]

@@TheReal_Antrey *[ Cait is no longer available to be your companion ]*

[@jebatevrana]

Exactly my thought when he said that. Such obtuseness, unbelievable.

[@theanthropologuy7775]

Or born from a womb

[@The--Ghostspider66]

10:25 its really amazing to see dance and maxon with special character animation like pointing at something or body language as they speak wish every fallout 4 NPC/character was this detailed

[@Lavender_Fox]

Maxson: he wasn't born from the womb of a loving mother! Cait: Neither was I, what's your fockin' point! If only...

[@commandercat10]

Maxson. Then you are synth

[@tomdayas]

AHHAHAHAHA

[@yazidefirenze]

Maxson, you got in a catch 22?

[@carlos89784]

Haahhahahahahaha!

[@mpurohit90]

I would’ve paid Bethesda to put that in the game!!!

[@MarionRelics]

Never understood how the “Danse is dead” lie was supposed to work. How does Maxson tell the troops he’s been killed but also order them to shoot him on sight? Every time the troops see Danse it proves Maxson is a liar.

[@Hello-og]

Probably said the Institute might try making another one to mess with them.

[@xd._.earnest1672]

he said that he will not kill him off his own discretion but since he's a synth he isn't allowed on the ship or anywhere near a brotherhood soldier

[@MarionRelics]

@@xd._.earnest1672 No, because after that everyone in the Brotherhood thinks Danse is dead, congratulates you for killing him, etc.

[@emmagrace8938]

I imagine he’d say that they had killed the synth they had already made and infiltrated them with, but there’s no telling when the Institute might choose to make another to try and attack again. Basically “we already executed Danse for being a synth, so if you ever see Danse again, it’s another synth and you have orders to shoot on sight.”

[@snikerz5886]

Maxon was a shittly leader just in general so its par for the course really.

[@_helium_]

Magic human sauce?? Did you mean... ...The milk of human kindness??????

[@sneedfeedandseed2410]

SPERM!

[@cherrydeathclaw]

dun Dun DUN!

[@Echo-2309]

No

[@usern4metak3ns]

no, he means human bean juice.

[@slushit9057]

SHHH don't tell Strong!

[@dayaninikhaton]

Danse IS a security risk, but as al alternative- to honor his years of service I would pull him from active duty and assign him to a controlled access position as an instructor, and make himself available for non-lethal medical testing for learning more about Gen 3s. He would have no access to weapons, armor or secure areas but could still serve the institute with his wealth of knowledge and experience. Elder Maxin DID say technology needs to be controlled- and I think that Danse would be happy enough to still serve the brotherhood.

[@Civsuccess2]

Anything Danse see is probably recorded in a computer in the Institute somewhere.

[@JonatasAdoM]

Knowing them, they'd probably turn him into a slave or a guine pig. Just imagine the BoS buying into the institute talk and turning them into sentient slaves.

[@samuelbishop3316]

​@@Civsuccess2That's not how synths work. If it was the institute wouldn't need to track down the railroad with investigations,

[@wildcardjoey4776]

​@@Civsuccess2 They have to send someone to physically talk with Diamond City's mayor to get information from him

[@Stag_DC]

(pulls out Fat Man)... (Immediately quick saves)

[@brendankelly2653]

Yeah I made that mistake when I gave Nick Valentine the Fatman with some ammo, NPC's use Fatman's like they use a shotguns, in tight quarter's 😂

[@rickyleung7614]

No turn god mode on than turn it off after that

[@mpurohit90]

Jiren Juice omg I did the same thing with Nick. I thought an enemy was nuking me! Here it was fucking Nick! He used all my mini nukes too!! Those are hard to find. 😭

[@MisterJohnDoe]

Inside a building? Oh my god don’t

[@D3monKilla_14]

Haha, I gave a Fatman to Cait with 10 mini nukes. And every time she killed me I was thinking "Why TF are the enemies using nukes in tight spaces?!" Searched every corpse in the area after I finally cleared the building out, and none had a Fatman. It was then that the realisation hit me that Cait had been bombing me for the last hour or so lol 😂😂😂😂

[@deyash4602]

I find it funny how they allow curie a synth and valentine a synth and strong a super mutant all of which do not like the brotherhood to go into their headquarters without being shot on sight yet a man who has devoted his life to the brotherhood and has won many battles for them cannot

[@bullettime8760]

I think it's just for gameplay purposes because it would be annoying if you had to send them to a settlement whenever you step foot on BoS territory and fast travel to pick them up and then fast travel again or walk if you haven't discovered the location where you have been given the task to do

[@deyash4602]

@@bullettime8760 lol I know that but that doesn’t mean it makes any sense lore-wise

[@benjaminmenken5693]

It's because the brotherhood trusts the soul survivor, if they didn't they would shoot them and arrest you.

[@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr]

@@benjaminmenken5693 , it’s almost like Bethesda makes shit games, and that’s why they bought out by Microsoft.

[@polish2945]

Also Hancock who is a ghoul

[@andrewdubya1380]

I`d love to just look at Maxson and say "How do you know *you`re* not a machine?"

[@Pierce1996h]

Humans are machines. Just machines made of different parts. If an entity is sentient then it deserves rights.

[@jenniferjimenez6748]

@@Pierce1996h love your comment

[@SvobodaIliSmert]

@@Pierce1996h what about weebs

[@pingaspearce9403]

@@Pierce1996h humans aren't machines A machine is built with metal and wire to carry out whatever its creator has intended We were born and are given the right to make our own choices as we grow and learn Machines will and will always be, An imitation of what man is

[@imuncreative1626]

Pingas Pearce living things and machines both convert fuel to energy we are biological machines

[@kamakazines4901]

This quest meshed so well with how I RPd my first character. I played her as being obsessively in denial of the whole Shaun thing, and hellbent on revenge. She collected every toy she came across, even if she had to drop more valuable items to do so. She with the Brotherhood. She romanced Danse. She understood who Father was, but refused to acknowledge him as HER Shaun. She blew up the Institute. She hunted down the Railroad. ...and then she decided to spare and hide Danse, despite hating all synths, because he was her emotional crutch. She justified it as a temporary coping mechanism, and her due reward for destroying every remnant of her old life, for the Brotherhood's cause. That playthrough is still one of the most memorable, compelling character stories I've ever played, and I kind of lucked into it with a couple self-imposed RP choices. Not sure the stars will ever align so perfectly for me again, lol.

[@GamingWithHajimemes]

That sounds awesome! My best character so far has been the silver shroud. Just playing as an alright dude is nice after telling the fridge kid to fuck off.

[@Nathan_Emmanuel]

Taking RPG to the next level 👍

[@CodyDeadInside]

I am RP'ing right now as a psycho synth, i just stealth killed most of Diamond City, except guards, kids and Piper, my character kills every chance he has if it means no repercursions, i already have infiltrated both The Brotherhood and The Railroad, they dont suspect a thing

[@ianperry4974]

I did one similar. My survivor joined the BOS to find direction and purpose, became devoted to the BOS became very close to danse, like brothers. They traveled the commonwealth together, finding and securing ancient tech, even went to far harbor and “liberated” the island. After they returned from far harbor, they were sent to the sentinel site by maxson. And upon returning, we’re faced with the fact that danse is a synth. After that, everything started to crumble for the survivor. Having his trust broken (by the fact that if danse was a synth, who else could be? My character was entrenched in the BOS philosophy at this point after having faced all the evils of the commonwealth) but spared danse because he couldn’t kill his best friend and brother. My survivor evacuated the institute, and destroyed it. He left synth Shaun, as synth Shaun was nothing but a reminder. Leaving in complete and total despair. After being decorated as the BOS sentinel, my survivor hung up his t-60 armor and left the BOS. He wandered the wasteland until hearing the nuka world radio signal, and finding some small purpose in the possibility of helping a family in need, headed to nuka world. He then finds the quantum armor and dons this as his persona. As the quantum sentinel. Working with the raiders, he clears nuka world, restores power, and settles in. Upon fighting the rogue knight in the nuka car arena. He is faced once again with his past as a soldier. After defeating the rogue knight, gage suggests taking over the commonwealth. But enough was enough. The survivor turns on the raiders and frees the slaves. Freeing nuka world, and finding some small feeling of personal redemption.

[@fruitylerlups530]

man reading this. Im currently playing a chemheaded character who only trusts dogs and robits because theyre the only ones who were kind to her when she woke up in the wasteland. FO4 has more limited roleplaying potential than previous fallout games, but when you embrace the options it gives you, its worth it. Id like to ask people skeptical of Fallout 4 to try and roleplay what it lets you, not what you want, trying to do exactly what you want will frustrate you, but if you play the options it gives you.

[@paladindanse4954]

Outstanding.

[@DaddyDex420]

Paladin Danse sorry mah dude your ass is dead

[@slushit9057]

Oh my gosh back from Zoe dead!

[@pestongravey5144]

Paladin Danse from now on we're power armor buddies

[@majortomenthusiast2950]

O U T S T A N D I N G

[@F4TALXSKIILZ]

Sorry I shot you in the head, it wasn't easy but thanks for the power armour that smells of sweaty ball bag 🤙

[@dramaking9559]

I just love how Maxson talks and yells at Dense as if he was a human istead of just shooting him right away

[@MarionRelics]

Also notice how he switches from calling him “it” to “him” halfway through. Maxson is full of shit.

[@EnclaveSgt]

Probably because Maxson knows Danse needs to die but he doesn't really want to do it after all. Thats why its easy to talk him into letting Danse live

[@everythingmust]

@@EnclaveSgt or lore shield

[@EnclaveSgt]

yea you could go with that carl but I'm talking about in universe explanations. Just saying oH iTs LoRe ShIeIlD isn't much fun

[@everythingmust]

@@EnclaveSgt funny lore shield since it just works

[@americanoperator3147]

*Paladin Danse, the time has come...* *Execute order 66...*

[@totmgsrockxd9900]

The Gunny Sarge LMFAO!

[@lapisinfernalis9052]

My thoughts exactly XD

[@alex_zetsu]

I hate to say this, but actually this is why Paladin Danse needs to be banished or killed. He really is loyal to the Brotherhood, even though he doesn't know which memories are real and which were made up. The problem is that anytime his creators can reset him to factory conditions. At the very least, they can extract him and download the "real" memories he had while he was in Brotherhood. It pains me to do it to him. Incidentally, with the brain chips thing, this becomes very much applicable to this Fallout example with Paladin Dense, much more so than in the prequal movies alone. I don't like the chips thing they introduced in Clone Wars because I thought it was very believable Palpatine could wipe out the Jedi using political means. The Jedi technically try to overthrow him in a coup (instead of using the Senate, the legal way, to remove him), and Pong Krell demonstrated to the troopers that Jedi betraying them wasn't impossible.

[@Leah_The_Cat]

Do it

[@ShimadaHideo]

Yes elder maxson

[@vmone7678]

I know I'm late to the party, but I think you've missed a spot, mate ! The elder's name is Arthur. Danse is a Paladin. The Knights of the Rounds were paladins. Danse is fucking Lancelot. As if it were not enough, Prydwen is the name of King Arthur's ship in a Welsh poem. As it is fitting to Lancelot, even if his sin toward his king is carnal - sleeping with Guinevere or being a synth is pretty much carnal to the root - he stays loyal to the bitter end. When Lancelot affair is discovered it leads to a civil war. I don't think the Bethesda writers were concerned about how the player would react. This whole quest is pretty much a carbon copy of Chrétien de Troyes version of the story of Lancelot and Arthur.

[@jiff80]

Nice

[@JohnDoe-rh8tp]

The more you know, huh

[@wildcardjoey4776]

While you're correct about the parallel, the Paladins, or The Twelve Peers, were a title specific to Charlemagne's greatest Knights and companions. The Knights of The Round Table are always referred to ad The Knights of The Round Table

[@vmone7678]

@@wildcardjoey4776 Chrétiens de Troyes used "paladin" as an adjective to define the Knights of the Round. It was never an "official" title of them, but the words is intricately close to their knightly duties.

[@zoulogist9171]

If Danse is Lancelot, then I’m Mordred, because I always betray the Brotherhood after this mission

[@FlickerFlee]

I always felt like Bethesda missed a opportunity for a plot twist; betray the Brotherhood, kill Maxson, find a synth part on his body. I think it would have made a great twist to the whole story.

[@FallenDanish]

Yeah, but Maxson has existed since Fallout 3, and there have been long ties leading up to his acquisition of the Elder position.

[@FlickerFlee]

@@FallenDanish I know, which is why I think it would have been a great twist. Like, even the top members of the BoS are not safe from the Institute. It would make the BoS put into question, if their own Elder had been replaced, who else could have also been replaced? Also, how and when did it happen; how long has the Institute been giving the orders as Maxson.

[@artstrutzenberg7197]

@@FallenDanish previous comment (what if Danse was replaced at some point between the initial meetup and Blind Betrayal).....similar thing could apply to Maxson, he existed as a human but at some point the institute got to him and replaced him

[@MJroxOXO]

I feel like Maxson being a synth is a little more predictable than Danse being one

[@Redbird-dh7mu]

That would of been hard to pull off, considering that Maxson is pretty new to the commonwealth, the Institute would of had a hard time getting an opportunity to kidnap and replace him. Especially since he probably doesn’t go out on the field that much

[@CloseToTheSun1897]

when you have paladin danse while talking to the railroad and they say “would you risk your life to save a man even if it’s a synths?” *Paladin Danse Disliked That* *wait, what*

[@TheWatcher5292]

Well yeah lol, he didnt know he was a synth, he believes they are the enemy, so when you say you would, it gore against the brotherhood

[@BigGreen945]

Thats literally what your character does to save Danse.

[@kylem.7466]

@@TheWatcher5292 They're referring to after the fact that he knows he's a synth...

[@JonatasAdoM]

He knows he's not bad, but he's still not on board with Synths being spared. He's a BoS member through and through and only lives because of the sole survivor.

[@reddeaddude2187]

Stockholm syndrome is a Hell of a thing

[@themissingpeace7956]

Preston: Come on, you don't go turning on your friends when someone asks you to. *Becomes Overboss* Preston: I want you to kill all your new raider friends. 🙃

[@ihndcihbdehxubdeihcbdeih9836]

But they are raiders

[@psychobane7926]

There are exceptions to this view

[@ricochetunitedkingdom1090]

Bos are raiders though tbh

[@TheRPGenius]

Becoming Overboss is in itself already an act of turning on your friends.

[@onetoxicmode9679]

Lol

[@mish375]

I always convince Danse to not kill himself, then pass the speech check with Maxxson to spare Danse as well. While Danse does present a possible threat down the road, he's also innocent in all this. He didn't know what he was. Yet, he still served and saved Brotherhood members and has genuine feelings/thoughts. To off him seems wrong. He does so much good for the Commonwealth in general.

[@GamingWithHajimemes]

He's a better synth, and human, that 75% of the commonwealth. Even other synths who escaped can't compare half the time- Like the one who turned raider, or the one who (spoilers) became mayor, segregated the city, and took a woman hostage. Danse is the best golden retriever ever.

[@NWolfsson]

Bethesda: *Makes the Dovahkiin have to kill Paathurnax to be able to side with the Blades* Players: DisGusTANG! Bethesda: *Quickly puts a mercy option in the Brotherhood's Blind Betrayal quest*

[@Skrogur]

I've never completed that quest and i never will

[@Gooberwoman]

i ruined my 100% playthrough without mods just to download a mod to say paathurnax

[@antongrahn1499]

The Blades are losers anyway. Who needs them.

[@hade2332]

@@antongrahn1499 i only did it for the katanas, eh, i have 2 savefiles with him living and dead soo yea

[@handleonafridge6828]

@@Skrogur you’re not missing out on much, you just recruit some people and go dragon hunting. Just do the words of power quests that the graybeards give you if you haven’t already

[@shortshotgunman5582]

Us: Hayden and Danse would have a nice relationship. Bethesda: Na only you can Romance the Danse.

[@luxomatix]

thank you for your insight tsar nicholas ii

[@Robert-pn3dq]

I hate that Bethesda made companions romancable even if your character is male or female.makes me feel like everyone is gay lmao

[@thuledragon6663]

@@Robert-pn3dq it's a roleplaying game, they made it so you didn't feel your romantic life was full of disappointment because the person you liked did not feel attracted to the sex you are... In my game I imagine danse is Gay, valentine is straight, deacon is bisexual, cait is bisexual, mcready is straight, Preston is straight, Curie is curious on both gay and straight because life on a synth body is strange and new for her, with sex mods... Strong just likes violating human beings male or female, etc. It's up to your own imagination what sexuality you like to believe they are, it helps that you don't love everyone like that.

[@yazidefirenze]

Name urself Hayden. Boom. Glitched

[@hhaking9656]

WTF your dead

[@decommissionedunitnanotech2265]

"How can we trust? The information from the institute?" Made a save. Killed Danse. Checked is inventory. Reloaded a save.

[@francescoragnoni8042]

How to confirm suspects:

[@francescoragnoni8042]

Also, the SS may be a synthetic with the power to simulate the future. Every time you die, you restart simulating. Every time you quicksave, you do what you have simulated.

[@theanimator3070]

@@francescoragnoni8042 im stupid so what does SS mean?

[@PapaWerserian]

@@theanimator3070 sole survivor

[@theanimator3070]

@@PapaWerserian thanks

[@hiddenleaf414]

This probably won’t be seen but on one of the early missions you go with Danse to a building with a bunch of Synths in the entrance. You can hear/see one of the Synths say something like “Destroy fellow Synth!” and they start shooting at Danse and you.

[@imperius88]

WHERE!?

[@Ddd-pv6iy]

I think that’s just what they say when you destroy one of their synths. If you kill one, another would mention it like “destroyed fellow synth” I heard one of them say it when u was playing with Danse recently and was thrown off too, but I noticed that I had just killed one of them and Danse wasn’t In the room with me. I wish this was the case though. It would have been so cool

[@JoelMarioMX]

Note, That Arthur Maxson Broke The Chain Of Command By Giving You, A Knight, A Direct Order By An Elder.

[@brendankelly2653]

I never thought of that, we should tell Veronica that😁

[@lillyyoung6007]

What do you mean

[@jakecampbell4208]

Well he didn't break it. That's like saying if a Captain in the Navy gave a Petty Officer an order, it wouldn't be valid. It happens more than you'd think, you don't gave to go down one-by-one in a chain of command, if it's more efficient to go straight down or up, that's what you do.

[@noahking7644]

@@jakecampbell4208 In the brotherhood of steel you have to though

[@Grimlock_king85]

@@lillyyoung6007 in fallout new vegas there was this quest to replace an elder and you searched through the bunker where the bos was and find a recon team the chain of works like this an elder gives order a to a paladin and that paladin has to follow that order but if the elder gave an order to a Knight or a initiate they have broken the chain of command and the elder will be either exiled or demoted so yeah that's the chain of command

[@mark0032]

There is a good reason Dance was let live by Maxon. Tactical. The sole survivor was there way in the the Institute. Why risk losing an asset like that. without the sole survivor the brotherhood have nothing to work with, no way in and no Intel. Letting one synth live for the possibility of bringing down the manufacturer is a more than reasonable trade off and tactically the better option. Maxon says it himself "if it wasn't for this person I'd kill you" who said that statement came out of respect. The brotherhood will still kill him on sight so they are still worried that Dance has an institute motive.

[@localcompanion]

Mark Goldsmith Im so sorry... *Danse

[@mark0032]

Dominik Wolf ya feel better?

[@localcompanion]

Mark Goldsmith kinda

[@mark0032]

Dominik Wolf happy to be of service

[@dylanwight5764]

Interesting theory. However, unlike Proctor Quinlan, Maxon genuinely respects Danse, regardless of whether he's a synth or not. Byt that accord, Maxon still hates Danse for being a synth, but he doesn't exactly hate Danse himself. It's a case where you hate the machine but love the person. Maxon recognizes that Danse had no knowledge of being a synth, and so as far as Danse is aware, he's just a normal person. This still doesn't stop Maxon from carrying out his duty though, in eliminating what he percieves as a threat. Think of it this way: Maxon isn't killing Danse, not because he's concluded that Danse never existed, but because he is distinguishing between the person and the machine. Maxon isn't there to kill Danse, but he still wants to destroy the machine. He sees Danse as being both person and machine, but cannot reconcile that machines can be people. Rather, he sees Danse as being two separate things at the same time. So, when he is convinced to let Danse live, he's doing just that; letting Danse live. Danse gets to survive if the machine "dies" and isolates and excludes itself from the rest of the world. Quarantine achieves the same end goal as deactivation or destruction; it removes a threat from the ecosystem. As far as Maxon is concerned, the synth has been dealt with, and Danse is MIA/KIA. To reiterate: It's not Danse himself who has Maxon up in arms, but rather it's the fact that Danse is a synth. Maxon acknowledges that Danse is effectively two entities and is willing to compromise if it means both A) the synth is removed from the picture, and B) Danse is no longer associated with the Brotherhood. It's my opinion that much like with the possible assassination of Sentinel Lyons that Danse will be listed as KIA, though out of respect from Maxon to his former friend rather than to mitigate damage through controversy.

[@pather2905]

i spent 30 minutes with awful charisma to get pass those checks and keep him alive

[@Dovaking-hz4eh]

I only had base charisma and didn't know this was an option

[@PolskiHetman]

Anthony Capodilupo in actually working to get my charisma to max before I go into the bunker and save 7 good perk points wasted on Danse

[@reigenpott9953]

you every use drug bro? get over 10 is easy

[@spinnergaming7756]

Anthony Capodilupo I got it first try

[@MinehowTech]

Anthony Capodilupo I kept him alive on first try,I was so happy that I didn't have to kill him.

[@kanister60l39]

oxhorn: "maxons brother hood of steel is fanatical" railroad:*sweats like hell*

[@themanwithnoplan9707]

I learned that fact in my first run when I sided with the Institute, I shot Paladin Dance when I first met him thinking he was a raider. Not realizing my mistake I searched him and found a synth component, and I was like this- wha-what is this? Then a good two years later I watched this video and realized the major spoiler I had accidentally found.

[@nautikient2151]

Wtf

[@pearsemolloy9656]

How can you mistake a non hostile dude in T-60 power Armor with Brotherhood of Steel markings on it with a random raider?

[@Arcelaeus]

@@pearsemolloy9656 Lmaooo

[@АхенныйкритикЮтуба]

@@pearsemolloy9656 Yeah, Im pretty sure thats made up

[@Vashy_Slashy]

Nah that’s all made up

[@Guoenyi]

I swear Danse has a built-in toaster

[@lsswappedcessna]

Guoenyi That's Nick. Danse has a built in badass drive.

[@themudpit621]

Nick comes with two packs of cigarettes and a gold lighter. He must be able to make coffee to go with it.

[@zemosion1129]

The Mudpit this is by far the best comment I've ever seen.

[@themudpit621]

sterling liechty you're too kind :)

[@skilldstrangr4070]

too bad he doesn't work like Fisto once you romance him............. ;)

[@soup949]

I don't care how Brotherhood I am, I never kill Danse, he's too innocent and a good soldier. He doesn't deserve to die.

[@xatileofmorgon5095]

Dr Soupinstine same. i couldnt kill danse because he had done so much for me in terms with my favorite faction, the brotherhood, as well as being a very loyal companion. to kill him would be the true betrayal to the mission.

[@melvinobi6103]

Xatile of Morgon i followed danses orders and killed him and even had a proper burial but i probably would have kept danse alive if i could

[@thelegendoflink4364]

Dr Soupinstine not only that, but he is a living embodiment of the brotherhood and what they stand for. He exemplifies it and it would be unbrotherhoodly to kill him

[@darnit1944]

So, is synth just a machine and a tool?

[@CheesyChise]

10:28 Is the start of the best dialogue between two characters recorded for Fallout 4. The tone, the anger, the pain, it wrecks your heart having to hear this argument. The way they both make gestures too, in sync with the anger in their words... Its truly beautiful honestly. Great writing and directors for this scene

[@themightymcb7310]

If the BoS made us kill Nick Valentine, I bet damn near every player would have destroyed their asses right there

[@Echo-2309]

preach

[@theseafoodjedi8445]

Jake McB yes

[@ZombieChimpanzee]

And Nick is a synth who's definitely a machine in form. Nick's more Human than Arthur Maxson, he actually learns and changes. Maxson simply stays rigid to his "programming" his thought processes. as a being, he's less alive than those we know to be synths and machines.

[@FerretNinjas]

I love both Nick Valentine and the BoS, but personally I would definitely side with the BoS on something like that. I'm actually surprised that isn't a part of the game in a way seeing as how Knights and Scribes show up in Diamond City if you side with them for the story

[@Mike-eg9ok]

I would kill Nick quicker than Danske. As far as security risks go, a bunch of soldiers dying from sabotage is terrible but at the very end of the day they are soldiers. Diamond City is full of civilians. They are civilians. After the Broken Mask incident, you can see how big of a risk he really is. One code phrase, and he could kill everyone in town.

[@ApexPredatorOutdoors]

Oxhorn: "Synths are people too" Also Oxhorn: (Murders entire brotherhood human population)

[@batman-um2ot]

Cz they need to be. (except the kids)

[@joeywild2011]

Bigoted and misguided humans that needed to be stopped (as they wouldn’t back down from killing other living beings just cuz they’re not human)

[@lacompf571]

@@joeywild2011 doesn't the institute kill humans though... and actually come to think about it... they believe synths are the future of humanity... so doesn't that make them bigoted and misguided too... im just saying there's a difference in their misguidedness... like maxson doesn't kill ghouls only feral ghouls... and 99% of supermutants are hostile anyways... and just synths under the institutes control are actually ticking mass shooters just like what happened at diamond city... and even if they aren't under their control it only takes the recall code to turn them back... gotta be honest here... they aren't actually that bad... maxsons just fucking angry sometimes but he never really made a bad point

[@joeywild2011]

my process on life Firslty, I’m not defending the Institute. I’m with the Railroad (and the Minutemen I guess but they’re not as interesting to me). The Institute are also bigoted because they believe they’re superior and deserve more than the Wastelanders. Secondly, Maxson would kill anyone who is discovered to be a synth, even if they aren’t under Institute control. Take Danse for example. Danse’s storyline was to show this point. I get it, the synths can be dangerous and can be under Institute control, but Maxson’s racism isn’t the answer. He’s also clearly blind to the fact that synths really do feel and can be good people. As for your ghouls comment, sure they only actively target ferals but they also act rude and hostile to non ferals, and there’s no excuse for that as they’re not even like synths who *could be dangerous. Non feral ghouls are harmless! (Well, as harmless as regular people anyway). Maxson does have points, like how synths are risky and dangerous, and the super mutant problem is an issue that puts people in danger, but he’s clearly a fanatic who can’t realize that goodness exists outside of ‘pure’ humans. I don’t understand why people support the Brotherhood in FO4 except for “Ooh cool big airship and guns and army”. Their ideals are twisted.

[@ApexPredatorOutdoors]

@@joeywild2011 I think you're selling the conversation short by labeling Maxson as a racist. I believe they put this in the game the way it is because it may be a reality we have to deal with one day (for real). If all people are replaced by machines, (or ghouls or super mutants) what constitutes being human? If you care deeply about the original human as it exists in the game, seems like preserving that to some extent would be necessary, not saying I agree with tactics. It's funny though as some of the people that would say pure humans need to just evolve or get out of the way (without blinking an eye) would cry if a species of animal went extinct.

[@stiky5972]

Me: Just one more video before sleep Also me: *Watches 4 hours of Fallout 4 lore*

[@flumpyofdoom]

Me too. It's great. 😁

[@authentic229.14]

Same

[@ProCoRat]

The funny thing is I don't think Maxson is a bad guy at all. I think he really does care for the people of the commonwealth and his soldiers. And he seems fairly honorable, but honor cuts both ways. If he honors the Brotherhood, then in his mind killing his friend, whom he respects, would be in his mind proof of his honor, like a personal sacrifice for the good of his ideology. Like, how Brutus thought that killing Caesar despite loving him as a mentor/surrogate father made him seem more honorable. And Maxson is sorta right, as having a synth who can be recalled or controlled by the Institute with all the knowledge of the inner-workings of the organization would be too dangerous. I don't think he was wrong to want to execute Danse. But, the problem is that their entire ideology about human purity is wrong. It's backwards-looking, trying to strive to restore humanity as it was rather than thinking progressively about moving forwards with what Humanity is, today. The Institute, conversely, is wrong for trying to mold humanity into something new. It's extremely arrogant to think they could replace humanity with a permanent subclass of enslaved people. It's like the Spartans and Helots. Necessarily, their situation would lead to a low birth-rate and population decline, and like the Spartans, it's only a matter of time before the Helots rise up and take over. (That's the part 300-loving Nationalists forget to talk about about the whole pure masculine Spartan culture)

[@edwardroach9643]

17:43 I love how Preston walks out full on morgan freeman narrator style

[@TheRealDonVerga]

Yesss

[@Willg95]

If only there was a mod to make Preston sound like Morgan freeman

[@iloveyourunclebob]

@@Willg95 it was at that moment Sole knew another settlement needed their help

[@Fatalitix3]

I love how he also does nothing ,yet he is mad at you xd

[@ArtemisKitty]

I had a great chance to spend a few minutes talking to Peter Jessop a couple of years ago at a convention while getting his autograph as part of my Fallout collection. I talked to him about a few of the different roles he's played, which ones were more fun or more difficult, etc. The one key question I just had to ask though was "Out of all the many memorable parts you've played, is there any one that sticks out to you as a favorite above the others, and if so, why?" (Ok, it's technically 2 questions...) - Anyway, his answer was "Paladin Danse." The reason behind it? This quest right here. He said that he loved playing the character, because especially once you got to this point in his storyline, he had become so "real" that you actually felt emotions one way or the other, and there was no way to avoid that. Our of all the parts he'd played, Danse was the one who felt most alive and not like just some fictional fantasy character or something. He had become "alive" to him, as if he were a real person, the way he hoped Danse would come across to the players. He said when he played the part, he got so into character that he felt like Danse sometimes, because it just felt so real. Put together a great backstory like this with great acting, and you get an amazing character like Paladin Danse. Just thought I'd share that with you all, as I thought it was pretty awesome, and made me love the Danse character even MORE after talking in more detail with him over some of the stuff they'd gone over in development, a few changes he had made to the dialogue to make him more personable, and so on. It was an amazing experience. (He had shown up over an hour early for autographs and most people didn't realize he was there yet, so it was a pretty empty room. Spent a good 15min talking to him, even bringing in a couple more fans to the end of the conversation. If you ever have a chance to talk to Peter Jessop, he's one of the most interesting and fun to talk to VA's I've met. (Out of doz... hmm. hundreds at this point.) Some are just way friendlier and more approachable, and he's at the top of that list right next to Scott Adsit - the VA for Baymax in Big Hero 6 - who gives awesome hugs, btw. Seriously. Ask him for a hug if you see him at a convention. Then watch his handler flail as he rushes out from behind the table for a hug.) Anyway, I know this is very late to comment, but I figured it's still something someone might get a kick out of.

[@AzaleaLala]

I love your story. People are dismissive of the companions in Fallout 4, but to me me they are the most interesting part of the game. I really hope Bethesda does more with companions in future games.

[@kittycat5972]

phennec absolutely, with all its faults the one thing that’ll ALWAYS bring me back to fallout 4 are the characters. I love them almost as if they were real people and they’re a lot more interesting than most real people lol. (Lack of npc’s is also the major reason I noped out of the fallout 76 bandwagon early, best decision)

[@dogmeat-ph2pd]

Yo u good

[@cowchips1191]

Literally thank you so much for sharing this I’m 2 years late but reading this made me love Danse even more 😭

[@OvenHut]

The dialogue between Maxson, Danse, and the Soul Survivor is some of the best dialogue I’ve ever heard.

[@josephmoore9706]

Best in this game that's for sure. I was surprised and wanted the scene to go on longer.

[@nathanzhou1162]

Maxson is an English major for sure

[@iloveowls90]

That’s the only time I actually like elder Maxson because reasons

[@phoenixdzk]

Danse is switched during the museum of witchcraft mission. You return the egg to the nest and he hates it. While your back is turned, he's snatched and replaced. When you take back the egg from the best after returning it, synth danse hates it

[@boneman-calciumenjoyer8290]

This is the only logical conclusion.

[@iloveowls90]

Not everyone does that though?

[@lemon1441]

He wasn't replaced. Not all synths are copies of people. Many synths, like Danse, are their own person who escaped the institute.

[@asvarien]

Nick Valentine convinced me that synths can be more than just machines, he's an older generation synth and mostly mechanical but he still feels human. His mind maybe based off of a human but since being disposed of by the institute he's grown into his own person. It only makes sense that later generations of synths are even more human. The only question I'm left with is what was the point of Danse being a synth, he doesn't appear to have done anything to further the institutes goals rather he's been actively opposing them. Danse has been in plenty of situations where he could have undermined the brotherhood from within, he could have assassinated key members, so what ultimate plan was Danse intended to carry out?

[@soullessstarfish2854]

Not Dave he’s an escaped synth who got memory wiped by the railroad

[@xo0zombiegirl0ox]

Maybe the list that the brotherhood found was a list of exiled synths who longer received communication from the Institute. Like Nick

[@robbieschroeder7531]

Not Dave, maybe his mission was to at first was to recon the BOS in the Capital Wasteland around the events of FO3, but when he went through the daily life of being a scavenger to the point he became a member in the BOS, he eventually forgot his core mission.

[@SwankyKitteh82]

I really wish we had more options for Nick. :( We could either return him to the Institute to have him repaired, or even have him undergo a similar operation that Curie undertook for an upgrade. In his current state he's destined to rust and eventually fall apart or seize up.

[@maxmillion901]

Not Dave Danse was a escaped synth who had his memory wiped he never knew what he was he always beloved he was human and if the brotherhood had never of found out he would have died for them

[@kip_c]

17:30 Preston comes out just to criticize you

[@Zack_Zander]

Kip While stepping on Danse's body

[@fauzanutama9992]

I thought he was come to mark the map and tell shit about the settlement needs for help again

[@squidbobsparepants2074]

He came around like scarce or an infomercial

[@ash-tv3bu]

preston emerging from the void: youre full of shit general

[@baddiebill1738]

Lawler my balls off when that happened

[@matryonihon2143]

I'm honestly more scared of actual people than machines.

[@ikennasmash1030]

Until these machines realize that they're better than humans and LOL-stomp all of us.

[@jtcowboy5518]

@@ikennasmash1030 There are people doing that already.

[@1987jkilla]

there were always people doing that but this fact does not mean our actual technological development is not dangerous for mankind

[@romanlev5603]

Watch battlestar galactica...

[@otherkamelliabuddy]

well, real people bombed other real people... synths didn't exist until 2227 in fallout.

[@darkphoenixgamez5230]

I could never bring myself to kill Danse. I believe it's less of Danse being a synth, and more some kind of powergrab in the BoS. I mean, we make friends with Nick, so why not Danse

[@shibe_nation982]

Good to see Fallout 4 videos are still relevant.

[@BugsBunny_xD]

ShiBe_nAtioN Great mods keep games alive for a looong time. Throw in a youtuber who discusses the lore in depth. (Many thanks Oxhorn) And you've got a wonderfull time exploring the game to its full potential. So yeah this is gonna last a while. If its gonna keep going the Skyrim way that is.

[@patrickhild4066]

ShiBe_nAtioN Considering Gta V is a little over three years old and its popularity is still going strong on Twitch and KZbin, Fallout 4 should have a long road ahead considering that it has a big mod community and great KZbinrs like Ox who delve into the lore.

[@sigorolata2829]

Not that relevant actually lol. It will still have a small community sure, but most people moved on. Fallout never had a as big a modding community as Elder Scrolls anyway.

[@BubbleGum566]

+Sigoro lata Fallout and Elder scrolls both have a huge modding community. What are you talking about?

[@Messiah38]

Sigoro Lata I moved on to the division, the division story has died. It seems you Ubisoft don't feel like finish the main story. Well I return to play fallout 4, love nuka world. Hate far harbor, missing daughter with line " can't leave until SS get to them bottom of things. I hate NPC forcing me to do stuff. Far harbor mine craft puzzle is stupid in fallout 4

[@Devious-Minds]

I killed Maxon on the spot when he gave me the order. Then I bombed them all. You never turn your back on a faithful friend. Maxon pissed me off.

[@overmind06]

Nah you've got a wrong story bro, the canon ending is when you execute Danse, wipe out the Railroad and watch the Institute disappear under a mushroom cloud. With elder Maxon and the Brotherhood by your side.

[@crackwizard666]

@@overmind06 you could pass a couple medium speech checks then elder maxson spares danse.

[@anahliese637]

overmind06 only sociopaths choose brotherhood

[@damiendemers7495]

I did that on a playthrough also.

[@memelord9459]

@@anahliese637 Hippity hoppity time for a murderity

[@tendopain8254]

21:04 you enjoying yourself Deacon?

[@thatboringone7851]

I think he likes the view.

[@dejectedsasquatch3792]

Dj Defalt Danse is pretty thicc tho.

[@basemaus5628]

Dj Defalt he is just producing white filtered water

[@prestongarvy8743]

*I didn't see him there XD*

[@Kaospyro]

I was looking for someone else who noticed hahaha

[@Puppy_Puppington]

Honestly I think they left the “cop out” option there because without the brotherhoods vertibird rides, Survival mode goes back to freaking walking sim 2077.

[@ChaoticKey29912]

there is actually a way to have the fourth option It's called mods

[@ChaoticKey29912]

Jordan Johnson read the read more

[@cptndunsel8088]

To my knowledge, no mod restoring this content exist. But if I am a wrong, I would very much like a link to it.

[@rizkisoekartono454]

I tried search mod to restore this cut option in mod websites but none of them exist

[@Robloxman01]

+Harry Harshimoto Saying most people who play Bethesda games don't use mods is like saying most people who live in a city don't shit in a toilet. You'll always have a few people who take a dump behind a bush or whatever, but most people are going to use the toilet.

[@d-paddylan9395]

Harry Harshimoto oekdkdk a LIAR

[@jacksonelh]

I wanted to keep danse alive, so I sat at my desk for am hour reloading a save to pass the speech check.

[@yamilex56]

jackson but you could keep him lol

[@BurningSorrows]

jackson I feel you LOL but I had almost maximum speech to where I was able to give him his freedom.

[@skylar8790]

Idk anything except kill because everything I see in the commonwealth I kill

[@xananymous431]

I don’t care if Danse is a synth..bcuz machine is a machine and flesh is a flesh therefore machine (sytnh) must not allowed to live therefore I’ll execute him..glory to bos..glory to nazi

[@melissacolby3313]

My first run-through i didn't pass the speech check to convince danse so i had to kill him and I literally cried for 20min because i loved going through the commonwealth with him.

[@starhammer5247]

Why didn't you just reload a save and try again?

[@melissacolby3313]

I don't remember why i didn't, I'm pretty sure i was aiming for a strictly brotherhood ending, but I definitely came back and shot elder maxon in the face for having me do that, brotherhood ending be damned 😂

[@liamrichardson6830]

No matter how many times I reloaded the save I could not save Danse so after I killed him I made a memorial site for him at Sanctuary.

[@stardust7920042]

I missed it one time and went on a brotherhood killing spree. Ig I didn't cope well with it either 😅 also you are a pure soul never change 🥺

[@BigGreen945]

Could've quicksaved and kept doing the speech check over and over till you got it.

[@JonatasAdoM]

Danse is like the Winter Soldier. A good man that can be turned against his brothers by the flick of a command.

[@LynetteTheMadScientist]

Yes and there was a whole movie focused on why killing him is still wrong

[@Lonewolf11741]

There's actually no way in hell I could ever do that to Danse... it just feels so dirty... I always have to save him.

[@masterskills319]

DakotaAnesthesia Don't be dirty Danseing

[@EveryoneElseIsWeirdImNormal]

Eh just mini nuke him

[@thnkng]

I always kill him. He teaches you to follow the brotherhood, and I follow his teaching.

[@Rio..o7..]

"Science outpaced humanities restraint." Its a poor carpenter who blames his tools

[@ilovehistory5210]

Rio A. But hes not? Hes is blaiming the lack of human restraint

[@KhoaLe-uc2ny]

Couldn’t have said it better.

[@instinct922]

If a sentient hammer was made, with the intent of hitting your finger instead of a nail, then no.

[@zacrylist5748]

i feel as though the whole "Science outpaced humanities restraint." is just a lazy way of giving the brotherhood a reason to go on a killing spree, i can see what they mean but its humanity that's responsible for the tech they create, and if weather or not their messing with things they shouldn't be, like downloading a brain into a machine when humanity's clearly not ready to handle it, kinda like how they weren't ready to handle nuclear weapons, at this rate i think humanity wants to kill it's self for thee dumb stuff their constantly doing doesn't matter if its the institute, brotherhood or easy Pete, if people really wants best for Humanity Maxon needs to die while Danse can continue to be the sheep he is

[@Zack_Zander]

Thomas Divelbiss So blame the Institute for making the Synths. Not the Synths for being Synths... I'd believe that...

[@TehEpicViper]

I personally believe that the mercy option happens because Maxson didn't want to kill Danse to begin with. He was confused and he needed to keep his role and image in check. In reality, he wanted to keep him alive. He's trusted the man for decades, he understands Danse's selflessness and redeeming qualities. He was just looking for a viable reason for the two of you.

[@VGamingJunkieVT]

He definitely didn't sound like someone who was making a well adjusted decision. You'd think a synth killed his dog with how much he's throwing a temper tantrum. He's showing no emotional control at all.

[@matthewgonzalez9537]

Elder Maxon is such a good character. Definitely the most interesting leader out of all the factions

[@reecegreyshock9646]

His vigorous and firm beliefs of a world cleansed from technological abominations, is actually a good thing in ma humble opinion. It’s one thing to create technological wonders, but it’s another to let it manifest on its own and create truly eerie, inhumane, and downright harmful creations for the persist of science. It’s reasons like that why the Sole survivors world is gone. His cousins, maybe a sister in Chicago, friends, family, his entire world….. gone. That’s why I’m brotherhood, because I can be the one who paved the way for other groups like the minuteman to rebuild the commonwealth.

[@Stitched_up]

He's also a fucking idiot, really hammers home how terrible the other factions leaders are. Wait hold on, I think I see Preston outside my window. Yep He's holding up a cardboard cutout that just the words "Help settlement" on it.

[@parkfamily9776]

Brotherhood main quest *killing bos montage*

[@TheParanormalist0601]

The fourth ending sounds even better!!!

[@Zack_Zander]

The Paranormalist I'd like to see my own companion do their own work while I just sit and watch from the back. Danse vs Maxson would be an interesting duel...

[@sergentpugsley5137]

There’s a mod for that

[@Lavender_Fox]

name please

[@krazyfan1489]

www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/21923

[@Toni-lo9ms]

My response to blind betrayal depends on my character's world view. Role playing as a true Brotherhood soldier I execute Danse as mercifully as possible based on his own belief that he represents a danger to humanity and his desire to be removed as a threat. If I'm roleplaying Institute it's never an issue anyway. And finally, if I'm playing according to my personal inclinations I do whatever it takes to spare his life. I just wish the option to challenge Maxson was left in. It would be nice to be able to pursue the Brotherhood's core mission without submitting to their (or Maxson's, possibly) prejudices. Modders, if you make it happen I will love you long time.

[@prylosecorsomething3194]

blind betrayal was the only time I almost cried in fallout 4

[@cptndunsel8088]

Personally, as soon as the institute was gone, I had a live and let live policy towards synths on my brotherhood character. At that point the means of creating more synths was gone, and like this video said there would be no one to pull the strings, so in my mind, synths were no longer a threat. Some might call that hypocritical, and they might be right. But it is a level of hypocrisy I can live with.

[@IAMELIPHAS]

+Natasel You might want to check that mod description. I do not think it does what you think it does. (That mod simply restores the sentinel promotion if you use the MInutemen to kill the institute instead of the BOS. It doesn't restore the challenge for elder questline)

[@FeCyrineu]

I do think that Blind Betrayal would be more impactful if after you do convince Maxson to spare Danse you are banished from the Brotherhood for insubordination. It would make the decision to save Danse feel like it has weight rather than the, as you describe, cop-out that we got in the game.

[@HadilAyyad]

I know you commented this a year ago but I think it makes sense that Maxson doesn’t kick you out the BoS after BB. Maxson said himself the only reason he spared Danse is bc of the SS, he obviously doesn’t want to lose the SS bc they’re still trying to get Prime back online and destroy the Institute.

[@AutumnGracy]

JFC, I never saw footage of the option where Maxson ends up killing him. I don't even care if you agree with Maxson that he's a threat; how can you look at that shit and be like "yes, this is totally okay"? He fucking stabs him in the throat?? Like was a bullet to the head too good for him? Literally there was no reason to do it like that other than pure spite. And the way Danse literally kneels at his feet and embraces death! Maxson doesn't even hesitate! The most fucked up thing I've seen in this game tbh. Not only because of the obvious, but to get to this you had to convince Danse of his worth and that he should live, only to betray him 0.2 seconds later and be like "yeah I guess he should die anyway". Hell, if I were the companion during this quest and the player chose that option (or to kill him themselves after talking with Maxson) I would go postal.

[@RedHoodRubyRose]

So wait BOS says that machines are dangerous and people should not use them, Yet BOS is okey activating Prime to destroy humans and half of the Boston while waking there is fine. In my game Prime launched a mini nuke right in to some random settelment people fighting Raiders. Prime is a machine, he dosn't care what people die and BOS is fine whit that, yet look at Dance. He cares about BOS he cares about people in his squad and he cares about the BOS code. Elder Maxon is just a fanatic.

[@ricochetunitedkingdom1090]

Prime yano. Stands out...just a tage.

[@christiancristof491]

Synths are sentient, part organic, living beings capable of fre will. Not the same thing.

[@shyarusu7755]

It's Iwan Wait what? Was that suppposed to be the other way around? Why would you destroy the ones capable of reason and try to control the ones built to destroy?

[@kailiburns366]

Maxson clearly says machine and flesh aren't meant to be intertwined not that he's 100% against machines altogether. It's the infiltrating nature of the gen 3 synths combined with humanity's inability to not continue playing God that makes Maxson hate synths. It's a largely justified stance considering the role the Institute does in-game and in lore. The only time I'd disagree with him is the synths who can reason like a human being; however even then I can understand his unwillingness to deviate.

[@zacrylist5748]

liberty prime is still a machine thats a threat to humanity, that said Liberty prime is just that a big machine, as to were Gen 3 synths aren't, liberty prime does not have dna, just a cold hard machine in and out, a synth has dna, dna grown inside a lab, unnatural? maybe, not human? sure, a machine? no, a synth is just a gen 3 synth is a lab grown human while Liberty prime is a weapon of war

[@hughmungus6964]

At one point Danse sayed when i went with him to the castle: The minutmen remind me of what the BoS has been before Maxson took over. So i feel like the option to challenge him, would have been quite fitting.

[@sabergreen2010]

Do you mean challenge Danse or Maxson?

[@onetoxicmode9679]

I would’ve said no then instantly kill maxon

[@Zack_Zander]

Onetoxic Mode I _would_ do the same. But that would mean Danse would fight back as well

[@CalsGirl97]

I'm pretty mad they took that out. I would care for my character being the leader, but Danse turning out to be the leader after that would be so great.

[@darkforceb9026]

While I tend to agree that this could be a cop out, letting him live, I choose to look at it a different way. Maxon, hates every part of Danse being alive, and yes while a cold blooded person wouldn't care to hear arguments, and kill Danse or have you kill Danse no exceptions to prove your loyalty, Maxon is smart enough to know if he pisses the Sole Survivor off he could lose a valuable asset to further his cause. He says that when he proclaims we're at an Impasse. Meaning he did not want to give in to The Sole Survivors Demands. So you basically force him to compromise his beliefs, and he bans Danse, and forbids him to contact the Brotherhood of steel. He also states he will be killed on sight should he show his face again.

[@AlfaFilms05]

Imagine having a casual conversation with Danse and accidentally say the secret code

[@guard6304]

"Danse you good bro?"

[@KHayes666]

That should have been an option

[@angelledesma6143]

Danse, we have a job to do...

[@reecegreyshock9646]

“KILL JOHN LENIN, KILL JOHN LENIN”

[@JonatasAdoM]

Welcome back, Nuclear Winter Paladin.

[@kalebsorge9484]

is maxson just nuts because he didn't get to smash Sarah? read his personal terminal in 3

[@Ashlovesyou669]

Kaleb Sorge lol I remember reading that!!

[@cornslav6255]

I wish Danes could join the minutmen, and when you become hostile with the brotherhood, he either leaves the minutemen, or stays, and just excludes himself from the fight agaisnt them (he would stay if you passed speech checks to prove the brotherhood is evil)

[@qui-gonjinn3322]

I believe it would not be possible to convince Danse that brotherhood is evil. He was one of most loyal people to brotherhood (if not the most).

[@doctorkrieger4404]

There is a mod where you kill maxon an become elfer yourself so danse can come back. But you can also choose that he joins the Railroad or go back to the institut

[@skanhunt4256]

The brotherhood quest that comes next after the paladin Danse is to destroy the railroad lol.

[@ej_22]

If you have Dance at the castle before with our power combined , he will flight the bos soldiers and stay at the castle.

[@tarrisfairbroke6899]

That seems like an unplanned for scenario rather than an intended function. I would think that if Danse were present when you start With Our Power Combined he would try to stop the guns from firing, first by trying a last minute attempt to reason with the Sole Survivor, then failing that he goes to either destroy the guns/Radio Tower or kill the crews operating either.

[@Brigadewolf]

Preston Garvey walking out of the doorway lecturing the choice of the player was hilarious 😂😂😂

[@dylan-kj9zc]

13:29 “Master Skywalker, there are too many of them what are we going to do?

[@danielb2486]

Well, I just wanted to thank the people who didnt Kill me...it was an honor to Serve with you soldier

[@kallum109]

Paladin Danse Ad victorom!!

[@SoftExo]

Never killed you, finished with BoS but Arthur let you go as per my request. We still roam the wasteland, and i throw a blanket on you whenever a vertibird flies by.

[@enr1que21]

Paladin Danse Ad Victoriam Brother

[@localcompanion]

Paladin Danse what the hell 😂

[@localcompanion]

Paladin Danse =Right arm across my chest in a pledge form, with my fist balled= Ad Victoriam Brother

[@Shupidesu2307]

"I don't care if he's a machine or not... HE STILL DANCES!"

[@janglesthemoonmonkey1734]

Definitely Not Sufi get out now.

[@mclovin2155]

I feel like there shouldn't be a speech check to keep Danse alive. I like Danse, but you should either abandon the Brotherhood, or kill him. There should be no cop-out to have your cake and eat it with a high speech check.

[@ExsertWriter]

The only thing i hear out of maxons mouth is ITS AN ABOMINATION

[@maximo_lopez]

+ ExsertWriter I'd say the century of people being replaced, settlements being destroyed, Institute variant Super Mutants who torture and eat people, and the Institute looming over the Commonwealth give sufficient reason to explain why the Eastern Division views the Institute, and what it has created, as a threat. It's not like that view isn't shared by most of the Commonwealth. Hence, why synths die in the MM ending.

[@maximo_lopez]

+ willz HatesU Trump is a buffoon who wouldn’t even understand the ideological schism about autonomous artificial intelligence that’s presented in the game. Trump would barely be comparable to an Institute Super Mutant.

[@VGamingJunkieVT]

Can't go anywhere without having real world politics thrown in your face. We get it, you hate Trump, but it's getting obnoxious seeing it everywhere.

[@maximo_lopez]

+ Gregory Smith You've clearly demonstrated you know nothing about Maxson or Fallout lore. I get it - you're ignoring that Maxson prohibited killing ghouls (as per Danse's dialogue), that absolutely no one says Maxson's iteration of the Brotherhood are killing ghouls (not even their critics make such claims), and you're pretending that viewing autonomous artificial intelligence as dangerous is the same as debates about racism (because you seem to have no knowledge about the real world debates that go on about this subject or about the science fiction that covered such topics when A.I. didn't even exist).

[@VGamingJunkieVT]

Yeah, as bad as Maxson is, he's nowhere near as bad as the Enclave were in Fallout 3. They have the far more befitting comparison to that, given they sought to poison anyone even remotely mutated.

[@CometSamurai]

I'm a loyal Brotherhood Soldier in my Fallout game but even I don't agree with the way Maxon runs the Brotherhood as an Elder. I just wished we were allowed to take over as Elder of the Commonwealth chapter of Brotherhood.

[@moscowvicent831]

I feel same way!

[@ДокторЗойдберг-х4й]

MAJ0R_MALFUNCTI0N you are not loyal, you are renegate. Ad Victorian.

[@CometSamurai]

It's Ad Victoriam.

[@IAMELIPHAS]

"you are not loyal, you are renegade." History repeats itself. First as tragedy, then as farce.

[@andreh.9431]

MAJ0R_MALFUNCTI0N I don't know if anyone else said it but that was a cut mission where you and Danse would cause an insurrection and you become Elder.

[@zrty6512]

I would of loved to do the 4th option, someone please make it a mod for the Xbox one, PS4, and PC

[@markhirsch6301]

zachary rivera they added the removed content from new Vegas (including the cut opening that wasn't CG) so they might do it

[@sergegirard864]

I realize that I come in years after you first posted this video. However, I would like to add my two cents on the subject. Where do synths come from? And by that, I mean there personality, where does it come from? If they are built and then program with original thoughts and memories, then yes, treating them as sentient beings seems fair. But if for a synth to exist, you first have to kill a human being and then copy and paste their mind into synths, then destroying them appears to be the right thing to do. One can say that it is unfair to the synth, as they are not responsible for this situation. But let’s take the stand point of the person being killed and replaced. What if it was you. Would you feel it is okay to destroy you and allow a synth to replace you and to continue to live your life in your stead? I don’t think so. We owe it to those who have been killed and replaced to hunt down and destroy their replacements.

[@solaraura8278]

Danse was likely one of the first synths the Railroad freed and gave a new set of memories, and then smuggled out of the commenwealth. That is my take on Danse's situation. Then after awhile he and his friend Cutler both joined the Brotherhood, and the rest of the story we know. I believe this because in Fallout 3 we encounter a synth (referd in the game as an android) and we learn that the Railroad were the ones that freed him.

[@adolfhitler7278]

Kevin Bell doesn't that matter on the player but?

[@SpasticEliteStudios]

nope. Harkness/A3-21 was freed long before he meets the player. The player has to decide whether he stays free or not.

[@yourmum8537]

5:00 when I first listen to that line I thought she said “I don’t care is he’s man or machine, he can still dance”

[@PlayBoX-qq9kr]

Lmao

[@rahidplays9010]

lol

[@randomseas4708]

Get down on the Danse Floor

[@Nocturnal_Rites]

Oxhorn, I don't know if you've seen this by now, but there's two things missing from this about Haylen. One, if you talk to her in the station when you first meet her and you have a high enough charisma, she admits she's had a thing for Rhys, but that when she approached him, he basically gave her the whole 'the Brotherhood is my life, I have no time for romance' bit -- so between that and what we hear from Danse about her crying on his shoulder after the injured knight died, she appears to be speaking up for Danse out of friendship and respect, which makes her pleas (IMO) much more powerful. So, no, don't think romance is in the cards there. Also, thanks for sharing the encounter with Haylen after you spare Danse. I never got that, probably because when I talked to her, I had taken him as a companion and put him elsewhere. She just gave me another radiant mission. However, I did find a holotape in the station with her personal journal, in which she states that she's conflicted over her service to the Brotherhood. She joined because she wanted to help the people and she doesn't feel that the Brotherhood is doing all it could to help them. I didn't play FO3, but from what I've pieced together about their references to Maxson then, it seems pretty clear Maxson is the fanatic he is because after Sarah Lyons died, he fell in with the hardcore elements of the BoS. He was still just a kid, plus it's been drilled into his head that he's the descendant of the founder of the BoS. Those are some big shoes to fill, and likely Maxson, young and impressionable, soaked up the rhetoric while desperately striving to fill said shoes. That said, I don't think Maxson is as sure of himself as others seem to believe he is. Everyone makes a point of how young he is. I tend to think he's still got a core of uncertainty. He orders *you* to go hunt down and kill Danse rather than do it himself, and he only kills Danse if you basically push him into a corner. That said, though, I think Maxson is a bit of a coward. I didn't see the throat cutting as hardcore; I saw it as the act of someone who wanted you to see that he was a badass -- but by taking down a powerful enemy who was essentially helpless. That's the kind of thing a bully does. So I don't find the fact that he's willing to spare Danse as OOC as you apparently do. I think there's the Maxson-who's-been-fed-the-Koolaid level to his brain and the slowly-growing-older-and-wiser level that, with time and better advisors, could grow into a halfway decent and more moderate leader. There's definitely a part of Maxson that questions whether or not killing Danse is necessary. He just hasn't grown the spine to buck the hardcore group yet. The sad thing is, without a person like Danse to advise him and stand behind him, he likely never will. Also, there is a mod (which you probably know) that someone set up with the deleted audio files and (I think) game notes or references, which I played through just to see what would happen. Apparently, the audio files supported either you convincing Danse to challenge Maxson to become Elder himself or convincing Danse to challenge Maxson on your behalf to become Elder yourself. There were two interesting parts to this: one, the number of BoS who came out to support Danse as the new Elder, despite his being a synth (although I don't know if this was the modder's discretion or strictly based on audio files.) All the proctors and Haylen, IIRC, although I didn't see Kells. The second interesting part was that I then had an option to go down and tell Kells to drop the attack on the Railroad, meaning I could then have ordered a joint Minuteman/BoS/Railroad strike upon the Institute. Seriously, that was such a good option I would have kept it, except the way it was written, I lost Danse as a companion option. Instead, I went back to the regular option and got a different mod that turned off the hostility flag. I can take him on board the Prydwen, but the snotty anti-Danse comments are kind of heartbreaking. Last but not least, I think it's giving the Institute too much credit to have planted the files about Danse. Why? We're going to assume that the Institute would plant falsehoods in their files just in case the BoS hacked them AND just happened to stumble across that information? That's too staged for me. What I don't understand is that it's clear from the Institute's own records that Danse escaped them and they have no idea what happened to him. X6 had no clue he was a synth, if you take him through the option. Chances are, Danse escaped, got new memories, but there was enough subconscious pull left to lead him to join the group which was the most rabidly anti-Institute.

[@VanLaarDesigns]

Extremely well said. All of it.

[@theseafoodjedi8445]

Nocturnal Rites you just wrote an entire essay

[@madcourier6217]

Nocturnal Rites Well said!

[@steviemercado2]

Holy shït dude

[@Nocturnal_Rites]

+Anne Sorry I didn't see this before now! It's a mod that turns off the BoS hostility in general. Danse can remain your companion without it, but any time the BoS sees him, they open fire. The comment are specifically anti-Danse, not just anti-synth. If you get the mod and turn off the hostility flag and go on board the Prydwen with him, you get comments to the effect of 'Whoever thought Danse would turn out to be a filthy synth' and that type of thing. It is sad, given Danse's record. Kind of makes you want to kick a few off the Prydwen and see how well they bounce...

[@dry7803]

14:00 covid-19 😷

[@ReplicatorFifth]

*sigh* Elder Lyons...I miss you

[@bosknight7437]

ReplicatorFifth me to! Maxon is a ******!

[@AKlover]

Removing the BOS coup option which was apparently in the game by Bethesda was a mistake.. Maxson's removal would have benefited many and saved more.

[@fouadd__]

AKlover But it wouldn't have made sense lorewise.

[@berge100]

But you would've been given a sweet title alongside an awesome coat.

[@DevilsandDragonsDaD]

totally agree

[@IWannaBTheGuy]

Paladins have taken the role of Elders before in New Vegas assuming it was canon. McNamara became after Elijah disappeared, and Paladin Hardin ousted McNamara if you sided with him.

[@carlosmatheus8132]

Well, Maxson it's still 20 years old, dude has a lot to learn. It would be nice to see him in a future Fallout game, as a more experienced leader (for better or worse). His story was meant to mirror Arthur Pendragon's, so I guess he's still has a big role to play in the series.

[@BitterComments]

Very well put, Ox. This was a tough one- destroying all the synths would be immoral, but, at the same time, destroying the brotherhood would mean the commonwealth would be a far more dangerous place. Of course, the best option is to side with the minutemen, but if you're trying to help the people then wiping out the such a well-equipped army of principled soldiers doesn't seem like the right thing to do. They're flawed, but I would say that their presence is a good thing.

[@RyuKaguya]

They would also fall apart without the Main character

[@adrenjones9301]

Winning with the Minutemen while keeping Brotherhood and Railroad alive is really the best moral Path.

[@MrPoogly]

My answer is that the synths do not need to be destroyed, but the Institute does. If they believe that synths are mere machines, then why blame inanimate objects? The Institute is the one pushing an agenda, they are the real threat.

[@adrenjones9301]

montanus777 Thats just the Vertibirds. By the time the Knights land the VB already exploded, taking half their Health and Armor away And thats just a game Mechanics so Players dont have a hard time against the Brotherhood, which is bullshit.

[@MrPoogly]

montanus777 One thing I've learned from Bethesda's Fallout, is that the lore and game mechanics do not match up.