LG C1 G1 OLED "Black Crush" Discussion And Guide To Fix It

Sorry there isnt a simple value fix. Everyone will have different brightness settings on top of panel variance, so its best to just try and adjust it yourself to your own liking. Here is a link to the pattern I used in the video,
www.avsforum.com/attachments/...
Also here is a thread I found after making the video with HDR patterns,
www.avsforum.com/threads/hdr1...
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[@Maxoverpower]

Really lucky to have found this video. Will try it soon. I keep switching back and forth between dynamic tone mapping on and off when I happen to be watching dark content, because sometimes it's just really hard to see anything even in a perfectly dark room. I'll be very happy if I can leave that in the past.

[@sergiogonzalez2611]

thank you classy this kind of material is truly helpfull

[@colefellner5718]

Thanks for clearing up sdr settings being the same

[@michaelwyckoff7593]

Hey Classy you really put out some excellent videos I have learned a lot from your channel and you make things easy to understand. I liked the video about why Dolby Vision seems dark and OLED seems dim to some people. I personally don't need a super bright image to enjoy watching content. To me the brightness is enough for me in a dark or dimly lit room. I make a few adjustments in the settings and I'm good to go.

[@prestin5304]

Another great show fellas

[@ivymike10mt]

Love this guide. Very usfully, and informative. Thank You. There is a chance, that You share Your TV settings?

[@jimmehvideos]

Nice work classy 👍

[@jeremycronic]

Nicce work. On my C1 I can see all the rectangles except the 4 in the top left. No calibration. Seems fine to me

[@TheSluggo080976]

Thank you for the videos, I just finished calibrating my 77 inch G1 and I got it down to a 0.4 and 0.3 and the picture is amazing

[@Mike_v_E]

Does it look less bright after calibration?

[@TheSluggo080976]

@@Mike_v_E honestly no I want the 83 inch A90J but this one is an excellent choice For those wondering during HDR calibration I got 747 nits

[@eduardomattos1212]

Hey Classy, how to make this work for DV cinema mode? It's still very dark and i can't make the last couple of flashing bars appear the same way DV home cinema does... i found Masciola's DV black clipping pattern... in Cinema all colours are really more accurate then Home Cinema, but then black clipping on cinema is just crushed... no matter what 2 or 22 points i change...any insights? Thanks

[@ErickRecors]

That was great and helpful. I sent rambling

[@leifaregis2554]

Nice video quick question what do you think of the new firmware on LG CX 03.23.06 some people say on you tube is a no Go, because is going to lower your brightness,should i or should i not? another very helpful video thanks.

[@Lasse3]

8:33 What do you mean by 'higher in the range'? 2,5% needs less gain than 30% ?

[@987codman]

So i should be able to see all the boxes around the blacked out line evan the ones in the top left just barely ?

[@banda3967]

Hello Classy Tech I have a problem, I did the 3 3 3 2,5 up to 30 , and the picture was very good, but then i tried 4 4 4 the same settings also fine , but after this i tried 7 7 7 also the same after 5 minutes the picture was wash out , it has a colour problem. i did to test the 3 3 3 on vivid the 4 4 4 on next mode standart and the 7 7 7 on the next mode. 3 different settings on each mode after this the picture was unable to make the same at 3 3 3 and 4 4 4 if i did try go back for vivid and standard. Why is the Oled TV changing to a bad quality? Thank you very much for settings

[@anilman92]

I never calibrated any tv. I have a rtx3090 and xbox series x and Lg G1 I dont know how to Start to calibrate by myself I need calman software and X-Rite i1Display Pro Plus Internal apps and each hdmi have diffrent settings so i need to copy and paste all setting for each mode?! Or does it work automatically I didnt google how to but i think its better to stay by lg and calibrate it myself instead of buyin panasonic oleds.

[@colefellner5718]

Thanks for the vid

[@Layarion]

2:26 "from bottom right, to top left, invisible" hey, on my LG C3 in game optimizer/pc mode i can see the top-left, but not the one right below it. I'm hoping that this is correct, or am i suppose to be able to see the one below it, but not the absolute top left...because if that's the case... well for some reason, no matter how much i crank the "black levels" setting up, i still can't see the one right below the top left one. also, dynamic range is disabled in GameOptimizer mode it seems, how do i proceed? also, the download is titles "16-30" is this for SDR content that starts at 16-255? I've been playing intentionally, with everything set to SDR because HDR seems like a rabbit hole that i haven't wanted to go into yet.

[@coblad2927]

Hi my friend! My lg c1 have color banding when i use native KZbin, or over programs. How can i fix that? My lg c1 have 2 weeks ;(

[@AexoeroV]

Hey, why you dont just use and rise the luminance setting under each IRE value to rise that shadow detail? From where you have bought that tripod with the extension arm for your colorimeter? Thanks!

[@LeboPlays]

What happend to your video that showed how to fix this with the numbers given?

[@danistov]

hi, for fix excess red in OLED LG, what we can do?

[@humpheryflaubert8172]

It looks like for the game optimizer setting you need even more correction to fix b crush. Unfortunately, as you have already explained in the video, you can only raise the colors so much, until it starts to cause a large number of them to overshoot. It really sucks that using just a little of raised color only helps a little bit with severe crush.

[@seojeng406]

If i would do it the Opposite say decrease the rgb in the range to 400 in hdr would that help with raised blacks?love your content by the way

[@ecu4321]

would you have a pre-calibrated tuned settings for LG C1 on a specific firmware? this can help those without extra equipment on fine tuning their TVs.

[@vidyamancer7135]

Doesn't work like that. Every panel is unique and requires its own calibration.

[@Knowledge-jk3ro]

Hello , I want to ask if this problem happens in miniLED TVs or not ? I want to buy a new TV and I am torn between miniled TVs and OLED TVs ..

[@johnshawdocherty7594]

Limited just looks right on my SX and PS5 any reason why that is ihave it set to PC RGB ?

[@rimgaudasvalikonis8630]

Please can you write link where I can download nearblack 16.27

[@theamazingnerd]

If you are really anal about shadow detail, Autocal and using the OLED Shadow Detail feature that's implemented in Calman Home for LG is honestly a lifesaver. Enabling that after the Greyscale calibration will fix all black crush. Of course, this requires a colorimeter and Calman Home for LG which isn't exactly cheap, but I think it's worth it.

[@jasonalves442]

I have the LG C1 and Calman software. I see the adjustments for shadow detail, but not exactly sure how to adjust. I’m curious about what test patterns and settings you are using. The recommended settings for SDR are 23/320 and HDR 14/320. I find this to be too dark.

[@ach1ll3us72]

@@jasonalves442 Did you find out the answer to this?

[@jasonalves442]

@@ach1ll3us72 I spoke to Portrait Displays, and they sent me a link for a test pattern that can help dial in shadow detail. I can tell you with my display that my settings were around 23/450-500 SDR and about the same ballpark for HDR 14/450-500. When you are in the shadow detail settings in Calman, you have to make sure you check the "enable calibration" box or nothing will adjust. Once you have that test pattern, you raise/lower the shadow detail value until you see box 65 (HDR/SDR) just visibly blinking. I did this in a pitch dark room, btw. Basically, I was adding value, and hitting commit a lot, haha. Dolby Vision was a slightly different pattern, and is very dark. I'm still learning this stuff myself. Hope any of this info helped.

[@freeman2810]

@@jasonalves442 Do you have to see the bar as a whole blinking or just some parts of number 65? It is very difficult for me to judge this and drives me crazy.

[@jasonalves442]

I just raised it until I just started to see the 65. I guess a good rule of thumb would be to raise until you see it in the 65 box, push it a little further until you see artifacts, then pull it back until those artifacts disappear. Wish I had a better response, but it did improve my shadow detail.

[@imraneo]

Im just wondering.. Setting brightness above 52 does add slight greys to the black bars on letterboxed video, but this is noticeable ONLY when i'm looking inches away from the screen in a dark room. I actually don't mind turning it up to 54, and maybe 55. Still looks black enough from a distance, BUT I'm worried, if this constant slight grey in the black bars will cause burn-in over time. They're very faint.. but any thoughts? Cheers.

[@ClassyTechCalibrations]

No, if anything may help it age more evenly with the rest of the panel.

[@teddyholiday8038]

I just got a G1 and it crushes blacks. Should I raise screen brightness to 56?

[@Lalinjaman]

Why would you adjust rgb and not the actual brightness in white balance?

[@flynn6306]

Noticed you had the color temp set to 45 in Cinema. I use Cinema Home for DV content as even in a dark room some dark scenes appear way too dark in cinema mode. I use color temp 50 in Cinema Home. Would you say that’s the most accurate?

[@ClassyTechCalibrations]

Use warm 50. The panel I had was a bit warmer than it should be at warm 50 so dropped it a few clicks.

[@lochkopf5665]

An important understanding Question: I have now raised red green blue as in the first video, i.e. 2.5% +12 / 5% +12 / 7.5% +12 / etc. to 30% as mentioned in the video here . Is it correct that way ? So that you get this almost clean curve. With this settings, about 2-4 boxes do not see top left corner So don't go up to 40% like in the first video? And you have to be able to see all the boxes except the diagonal stripes, right?

[@ClassyTechCalibrations]

You have to be in a very dark room and should barely see the darkest ones. The values needed will be different depending on how bright you have the TV set. It's better to error on the side of less than more, which will still be an improvement over nothing at all.

[@Yuurrr]

But how do I know when I need to raise the 2.5 or 30 or ,... levels more than the others?

[@Yuurrr]

@@sergielebedev I also was wondering why not just up the luminance per % level instead of RGB. But even than, how do I know when I need to raise the 2.5 or 30 or ,... levels more than the others?

[@ReelyFlyGuy]

Hey would you look at that... I can actually see detail in a TV that cost me $1800... Thank you

[@JoeUseres]

is there a 2 point calibration for white color!?

[@jackfuchs2313]

I am hearing impaired and to avoid arguments with my wife, she listens through the tv speakers (Panasonic Plasma) and I route TV RCA audio output to a Sony receiver and hook up wired earphones. I now can independently control volume. As far as I can tell the LG C1 has settings to allow TV to output speaker sound and audio out at same time. But I don't think the Sony A80J allows this. I am leaning to the Sony but this one feature is critical. Can you confirm one way or another? thx much

[@jacobreser5073]

ON LG: yes you can set it to play tv speakers and optical audio out. (maybe other like earbuds, too) but this is the way mine is working.

[@joshuavang8109]

Any chance you know how to view this calibration on the Sony A80K OLED? The test video is all black for me. Completely black crush lol

[@joshuavang8109]

Found it. Change HDMI video range from Auto, which seems to be limited, and set it to Full range.

[@AkSeapilot]

Will this guide work for CX as well?

[@EnormousSmartass]

Why do you use the separate colour sliders instead of the brightness slider above them? It seems to just control all 3 colours at the same time. Not available in HDR though. Or is that slider doing something else I'm missing?

[@ClassyTechCalibrations]

It's more likely to cause artifacts when using the luminance control.

[@EnormousSmartass]

@@ClassyTechCalibrations Jesus... thanks for the input and the video!! For my unit on current firmware (G1) apparently HDR tracks perfectly to my eye btw (using the flashing bars from your links). Only SDR is somewhat too crushy at the very low end. It does make sense considering your explanation that they lower it on purpose to crush artifacts near black in SDR. In HDR the source should be good enough so they don't need to crush anything?

[@ClassyTechCalibrations]

@@EnormousSmartass if HDR tone mapping is turned on, that eliminates any near black crushing in HDR.

[@EnormousSmartass]

@@ClassyTechCalibrations I have it turned off. When testing with the flashing bars in HDR (the HDR bars from your link from a USB stick, TV shows HDR playback), in a dark room, I can clearly see the lowest level above reference black flashing, after my eyes are accustomed to the dark a little bit. So the TV clearly shows all the levels above black. My question now is: is "black crush" just a word for "too dark" instead of "actually crushes low signal inputs into complete black"?

[@zztop7000]

With this newer TV technology coming out I'm still piss off. Because when we watch 4k disc or 4k streaming or bluray we still getting a pesky UGLY BLACKS super annoying. They need to get rid of this UGLY BLACK BAR. I'm I the only one here who doesn't like this black bar. It's NOT fair in movie theater they used 2.35 at home we watch it on 16:9. What do you think?

[@kristof46]

Ok so how many rectangles we shouldn’t see? 4? 6? This is SDR content. I use 55 Oled light (I am too lazy to switch it between day and night 😊) and default 50 brightness. With these settings I can see top left 4 rectangles. When I go down with Oled light to 35 I lose another row and column which means overall 9 rectangles. Anyway 4 seems pretty fine but I am not sure.

[@mattvaughn4039]

Curious if professional calibrators can bring up the black detail in dolby vision as well? Last time I had a TV calibrated they weren't as focused on HDR and DV but that was 3+ years ago. We watch a lot of Netflix and most content is in dolby vision. I could disable it but that seems like it defeats the purpose. I just upgraded from a C8 to a C1 and am considering taking the C1 back because of the reduced detail in dark scenes. Thanks for your videos!

[@ClassyTechCalibrations]

Yes and no. It can be set so the TV is correct but a lot of DV content on streaming apps is not true DV and converted from HDR10, making it darker than it should be in a lot of scenes. Best to disable it unless you know the content is native DV.

[@eduardomattos1212]

@@ClassyTechCalibrations Hey classy, is there a way to disable DV on native apps on the G1? Running netflix via PS5 the image looks fine I guess but the sound is not as strong, don't know what I'm doing wrong... ps5 to G1 via Hdmi and G1 to Receiver via hdmi Arc, dolby selected on ps5 but the sound is not quite as in the native app...

[@Anzla]

@@ClassyTechCalibrations Where could I find this info?

[@humpheryflaubert8172]

Okay, so either a new firmware update fixed this, OR by putting the tv's latency setting into 'boost', which is found in the "prevent input latency" category under 'game optimizer' mode, it helped alleviate some of the crushed details. I'm not sure why 'boost mode', for reducing input latency, would affect lower gamma levels when running the TV in "gamer mode", but it looks like it does.

[@jaygonzales123]

should these settings be used in game optimized hdr or sdr with boost enabled?

[@ClassyTechCalibrations]

When boost is on (vrr off) it will raise near black

[@gosuosuo3216]

@@ClassyTechCalibrations the boost mode also rise SDR gaming?

[@RainboomDash]

@@gosuosuo3216 I think so... the theory is that it's turning off some of its processing but not sure anyone really knows for sure

[@Lalinjaman]

So youre saying if we choose 4 for everything we shouldn't have 4 on every signal?

[@videobandit]

If I heard you correct, turning on HDR Tone mapping in HDR corrects the problem?? If so great, as there is no one near me that does calibration even if I wanted it done, which I have considered but not leaning towards. Unless you planning a road trip to PA soon LOL ??!!!

[@ClassyTechCalibrations]

Correct, only for HDR modes/content though.

[@sanmiguel8433]

Omg I have do things like this every time I watch movies this is crazy I just thought I was going to get out of the box ready to watch I just bought and I noticed on the arching the new movie the mummy with Tom cruise in the beginning of the movie is really dark and I dunno I thought I already had burn in screen but is not it has a brown rectangles shadow like brown and black only when the dark comes I don’t know how to fix this is crazy

[@wbb86]

Doesn't each panel have varying levels of black Crush? I thought faults like these can differ between panels, so the adjustments you've made are only good for your panel. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[@jgizzy]

Yes I hear the same thing about manufacturing variance in panel characteristics -- which is why calibrators do each TV individually, otherwise it would be super simple to have calibrations done via pre-packaged setting adjustments.

[@eisaalshamsi2998]

Hi bro in your opinion if I calibrate my tv is lg by the way is have like sony color and no black crush and thanks

[@ClassyTechCalibrations]

If its calibrated, you can get very accurate color and will fix "black crush".

[@eisaalshamsi2998]

@@ClassyTechCalibrations thanks

[@shakilmahmood2668]

You buy a TV to watch stuff. Spend 6 years of your life messing with settings and calibrating

[@TDee205]

😭

[@__shaun__]

One does not simply watch an OLED TV

[@BlackBruceLeeTheGreatDekuTree]

Lmfao

[@tHoM0r]

Wait, so this is only a problem for SDR modes?

[@Squishmallows24]

It’s a tv problem. It crushes blacks on all content. I have a c1

[@colefellner5718]

At this point is it safe to say a none calibrated display in game mode is going to be a tad closer to “accurate” with boost on due to lifting of some black crush?

[@ClassyTechCalibrations]

It lifts too much, so it's trading too dark for too bright. In gaming if it's a multiplayer game and you want to see more than your would likely want it raised. But if playing a story based single player game or something you would probably prefer the look of it being darkened.

[@colefellner5718]

@@ClassyTechCalibrations thanks classy! Appreciate your work! Your my go 2!

[@colefellner5718]

@@ClassyTechCalibrations any tips for Xbox due to it being kinda necessary to run 120hz for full bandwidth? Just white stabilizer at 9 and brightness at 49 to combat the over brightening?

[@ClassyTechCalibrations]

@@colefellner5718 boost doesn't do anything at 120hz so there is no over brightening.

[@colefellner5718]

@@ClassyTechCalibrations awesome! Thanks for clearing that up!

[@silver33]

Do you have a guide to fix Black crush on a C2? I just got it everything looks good except for f for dark scenes. Thank you.

[@ClassyTechCalibrations]

Give it some time. After a couple hundred hours of use it brightens up dark areas as it breaks in.

[@silver33]

@@ClassyTechCalibrations That's good to know. Thank you again for your settings.

[@AintPopular]

my monitor sucks even after calibration so sad

[@peopleperson7263]

Is this an issue with c2 ? I hate black crush so much . I’d get a80k just to avoid it

[@baalrog666]

As a new C2 owner, a little bit, but it's not too bad. You can either use 2.2 gamma instead of 2.4/bt.1886 to improve things or you can do what the video says and slightly raise 2.5 and 5% signal in the 22-point calibration. The thing that's more obvious to me is the motion stutter in 24fps content, haven't really found a solution for that yet.

[@peopleperson7263]

@@baalrog666 thanks , I’m torn between c2 and Samsung s95b

[@peopleperson7263]

@@baalrog666lol I just bought a 55 inch c2 . Binge watching Harry Potter. The third film in the series drastically changed the cinematography to be far darker , and black crush is nuts - though I think it’s the film - not the tv. However , I’m going to tweak settings now and actually watch this.

[@MuzdokOfficial]

Me actually it's the opposite. With my pc in HDR i had to lower brightness to 48 to have the same looking gamma then in sdr in 2.2. Over that is too much wash out. Putting black level to low is too crushed. Using a rtx 3080 with RGB full 10 bits on my cx in PC mode. Pretty much setup everything the closet to reference I could without a real calibration. Any recommendations? You guys are too far from me unfortunatly. I love your streams with Ninja I learned a lot. Thank you.

[@MuzdokOfficial]

tv as 2800 hrs of use shadow details is now very clear

[@kakarotox]

2.4 gamma or HGIG is a little darker. Doesn't it solve your problem?

[@MuzdokOfficial]

@@kakarotox ah yes its very old news now my set been professionally calibrated here in Canada. But thank you n e way. Take care.

[@jeffs70chevelle]

I'm not sure if there's a difference between test patterns and real world content but my a80j has noticeably more shadow detail than the c1 I had. Maybe Sony lifts the blacks slightly or the processor is just better at coming out of black?

[@alexsaraceno6144]

@@JumpRopeLift I thought that was weird also when he said he's getting his "next week" after his statement. People are just weird man. Ninjician, I've seen you through B the Installer videos. Is there a big difference in gaming on the A80J compared to the A90J ? And do you have your own channel ?

[@reviewforthetube6485]

@@JumpRopeLift crazy the a80j has lifted blacks. I know my a90j can overbrighten some low luminance scenes with above blacks. But I haven't come across lifted blacks yet either. I know some got confused with Vincent's statement about how sometiems low luminance scenes can be overbrighrened. He made sure to release a statement to tell people the blacks on the a90j are perfect. He was like people heard one thing and took it how they wanted to. He made sure to say there aren't raised blacks. So I figured it was the same for the a80j as he mentioned it the same way. He said its that occasionally some low luminance scenes overbrighten but he made sure to tell everyone the blacks were perfect. Left a long comment responding to someone also on the a90j video about it. But hey man didn't expect the a80j to actually lift. I figured it just came out of balck to fast at times and would overbrighten some low luminance/above blacks scenes. I figured with how sensitive whisper status is to raised blacks like he was with the c9 with dolby vision he would see it but he hasn't yet. I'm very sensitive to raised blacks also I remember my c9 having raised black letterbox bars lol. Luckily lg this year doesn't have that issue. And my Sony doesn't either.

[@alexsaraceno6144]

@@JumpRopeLift Thanks man. You, Classy, and Brandon really help me out. Now I know, I want the A90J. Just going to spend the money. Hey if you have your own channel, I'll definitely support you man. Thanks again.

[@techtv2257]

@@JumpRopeLift weird man I specifically asked keep it classy if he had raised blacks blacks his a80j and he said no. Just that it can come out of black to fast and would create more shadow detail as that's what Sony goes for. I never have witnessed actual raised blacks with any of the sony tvs this year. I have seen above black scenes being slightly brighter then they should be. That's an easy fix. Raised blacks I haven't come across. Kg also said he hasn't had any raised blacks with his a80j.

[@reviewforthetube6485]

@@JumpRopeLift completely agree with you on that one brotha 💯 luckily I haven't seen any grey blacks yet. Black letterbox bars are always black also thank god. Things that are meant to be pure black are pure black. Now low luminance scenes with above black for sure can be a bit to bright at times but luckily alot of the time it isn't noticeable. As you said also it's an easy fix regardless for either set whether it be Sony or LG for either of the way they display above blacks. Whether it be Sony who comes out of black faster or lg crushing.

[@joshcraft9755]

I can’t see the top left corner at all. It’s all black. Is that bad? I have an LG C2

[@Ghostlynotme445]

C2 is better c1 you get no black crush on the c2

[@joshcraft9755]

@@Ghostlynotme445 oh ok well that’s what I have.

[@Sup3riorr]

Possible for you to dive into this on the A80J ?

[@ClassyTechCalibrations]

The A80J doesn't have this problem.

[@Sup3riorr]

@@ClassyTechCalibrations oh ok, nvm then haha thx anyway. i do enjoy the shadow detail on my A80J but sometimes I feel like there is a veil on dark scenes

[@EnormousSmartass]

@@Sup3riorr The Sonys have the opposite problem. Nearest to black is fine, but then there's a sudden rise. That might be what you describe as veil. Try lowering the values on your Sony, just not the ones nearest to black.

[@Sup3riorr]

@@EnormousSmartass dont know what values to lower.. the most annoying part a bout my A80J that I've encountered. Is by far if u think of the TVs all 4 corners, when in dark areas the corners gets like blackish imagine moon like circles. This is driving me crazy don't know how to fix this shit

[@djejpro]

doesn't the first available setting labeled "adjust brightness level of the selected signal level" of the R, G, and B brightness settings at those near black points adjust them up together, rather than having to go to each one and adjusting them by the same amount? seems like that would save you 3 times the steps to achieve the same thing unless you needed to tweak the white balance further for those individual brightness points kzbin.info/www/bejne/ipqZXnV3jJh8mKM (when your adjusting stuff around here)

[@ClassyTechCalibrations]

No, the luminance setting works differently. It can cause artifacts.

[@djejpro]

@@ClassyTechCalibrations oh gotcha, thanks!

[@djejpro]

@@ClassyTechCalibrations one last question..have you had a chance to mess with the "shadow detail control" that started in calman 2020 R2? seems like it's geared specifically for SDR and what you're talking about..i plan on getting a CX soon, and using calman for LG since i already have a i1 display pro. i want to start with an SDR calibration. (i haven't looked into 2021 version, so i'm assuming that it's a feature that would carry over in future releases) kzbin.info/www/bejne/aHrbhYuabd6GjMU

[@ClassyTechCalibrations]

@@djejpro I havent seen that in the 2021 LG Home version with the 2021 OLEDs. I think it was removed.

[@BlueNinja0]

@@ClassyTechCalibrations Woah, really? Can you elaborate? I was using the "adjust brightness level of the selected signal level" to calibrate my near black gamma (on SDR only) and have not noticed any artifacts. What kind of artifacts have you noticed?

[@Socratezism]

just got a 65 c1 a few days ago. Should i be using test patterns to break it in? Not getting it calibrated... Ive read after break in period the brightness will increase? Will this mitigate the crush a bit? Atm, using this pattern, hdr shadow detail seems great for me. Sdr seems decent at 54 brightness. Atm i am thinking setting it at 52 for a bit, as a sort of middle ground. And check this after a while and maybe adjust... or is it better to just use 50 thil break in period is over? or is all this break in period stuff not something i should have in mind?

[@teddyholiday8038]

Just curious, what did you end up with on screen brightness? I just got a G1 and it crushes blacks. Thinking of trying 51 or 52

[@Socratezism]

@@teddyholiday8038 well every panel is a little different, but my experience... First 1/2 weeks i used 52. Still had bit more crush then i liked. Then had it on 53 for 2 months or so (while using it a lot).54 was less crush, but just too much brightness imo, 53 was okish. Still crushed a bit, but was decent. It did worry/annoyed me a bit. Then, and thil now, i have/keep it on 51 and am happy with it. Very rarely notice crushes. It rly improved. Though also coz i dont rly look for it anymore, like in the beginning. I still enjoy this tv so so much. Enjoy yours man:)

[@teddyholiday8038]

@@Socratezism thanks for the reply

[@MichaelRadeck]

there are some lower issues when not calibrated correctly with the near blacks but not in the way it is described here... the testchart 16-27 levels are so low you should not see anything in the whole quarter of the left top corner on normal ambient light conditions for rec709 gamma 2.4 you should only see slightly 2-4% of video level (black pludge type is +4%) should be able to be differentiated from true black 0% . in 8 bit bitdepth the 4% level is around 25 the testchart goes from 16 to 27... so anything extremely close to black like bitlevel 17-18-19-20 is also not visible it starts by around 21 depending on your ambient light and the peak brightness (100 nits) 10 nits amibent light, so the fix is nonsense, the fix produce other artefacts you do not want but only be seen in some other special images... better solution is to calibrate the whole gamma curve

[@user-nc2mx5oh3h]

Is that applicable to the CX?

[@sqdq8840]

Cx doesnt have this issue

[@sqdq8840]

@@jarekzahary not on mine c1 us worst black crush check hdtv test

[@andrewvenditelli152]

Having an issue with my LG C1 where 4k playback is occasionally very dark. Curious if you have any thoughts. Sorry it’ll take a bit to explain but I appreciate any feedback. This is with HDR content on a 4k Blu-ray being played through a PS5. A perfect example is when I was watching the 2021 movie Dune. Around chapter 16 when the main character Paul and his mother cross the desert, most of the scene was unbelievably dark. To the point where you couldn’t make out much in the scene especially when the worm comes up out of the ground at 2:11:00 in the movie and fills the screen. It’s practically black. Paul is supposed to be seen in the foreground, but he’s indistinguishable from the worm. It just looks nearly black through the whole screen. I then went to the HBO max app and played the same scene in Dolby vision and the scene is significantly brighter. All of the scales and wrinkles are visible on the worm and you can see Paul (main character) in the foreground. I’m using an LG C1 and the RGB setting on the console is set to auto and the black level is set to auto on my TV. I also even had HDR tone mapping set to ON on the TV which I’d prefer not to. Someone had suggested setting the input that the PS5 is in, on the TV, to be recognized as a PC instead of a game console. Oddly enough this fixed it and brightened the scene right up. However this isn’t ideal and many features are greyed out when set to a PC, especially all motion dejudder settings. So I tried switching the input setting back to game console and low and behold the scene was nice and bright like it should be. I rewatched the scene several times and at one point it went back to being ultra dark. Like some sort of rest or energy savring or something mode that darkens everything up (despite having energy saving set to off on the TV). Switch the input setting back to PC and then to game mode again and it’s fixed, but only temporarily. Has anyone come across this odd inconsistent behavior? All my energy saving and AI settings on the TV are off. Followed HDTVtests setting recommendations. It’s driving me a little crazy not being able to figure it out. Thank you if you got this far and have any ideas.

[@ClassyTechCalibrations]

That is ASBL dimming. You can disable that from happening in the service menu. I have other videos showing it, but it's a $7 remote on Amazon and you disable TPC and GSR to not have any dimming.

[@cdoublejj]

This may be a known a known bug I saw a video on it once edit I think op is right they talked about the service menu

[@andrewvenditelli152]

@@ClassyTechCalibrations appreciate the reply. Thanks!

[@kakarotox]

I think if you turn on the menu for some seconds the brightness comes back to normal level. Annoying but free...

[@MrPopo-bd1ix]

HDR 18:40 Thank me later.

[@kristof46]

Near blacks looks ok. Not great but decent on my c1. I am wondering about right bottom corner on this pattern because too many rectangles are too bright. They look like a grey stain. It shouldn’t be like that but I can’t do anything about that. Edit: ok at first I was watching KZbin test on my Apple TV 4K. Then with the same pictures mode I tried native KZbin app. Guess what. Near black test on native app with brightness 53 looks gorgeous. Even near black corner is way better. So strange. I usually use Apple TV because I found out that most content look better on it. Better colors better quality. Better in every way. Not every movie or tv series. Old Curb Your Enthusiasm look pretty pretty good ;) on both. But the office looks way better on ATV. Native HBO max app brings strange orange skin tone. Batman begins also better on Apple TV. New 4K movies look similar but still some advantages to ATV

[@444chroma]

I'm not an OLED I just crush a lot

[@Squishmallows24]

I don’t mind spending another $500 for the calman software and colormeter, the problem is that the damn colormeter is no longer sold and only people selling it for ridiculous ass prices

[@gabrielforest2334]

Someone change the brightness more than 50. This fixes Black Crush. You will not have perfect black, but you will have shades and details in the shadows.

[@maulcs]

No, you'll just have an elevated black level and less contrast. Change the gamma if you want to. People don't seem to understand that these parts of the image are supposed to black and near black, not an elevated grey. I think this whole issue stems from people being used to crap like 1000:1 IPS monitors.

[@tac6044]

These test patterns can be misleading sometimes and cause you to think you have a black crush issue when you don't. Oftentimes blacks are fine with real content and looked crushed with test patterns. On OLED to completely fix crush blacks you will sacrifice other aspects of the picture quality. Its better to accept that there will be slight black crush with OLED if you want the rest of the pq to look good. OLED has flaws and you will never achieve perfection.

[@Knowledge-jk3ro]

then I get mini led tv ? I am really torn between miniled and OLED , first the burn in scared me and now I learn about black crush ...

[@tonhuytran]

With limited band with of 8 bit the detail is better because Oled is not bright enough to show the full bandwith of 10-12 bit color. I dont know how can people hype so much about the gaming on oled as they suck big time in bright screen, can never utilise 10 bit color if you dont want black crush, not to mention how the annoying ABL. Except the red color, the rest sucks on oled. All you can see from oled screen is just dark, dim theme of black and blue, losing all the detail from a powerful pc with high end VGA or next gen console.

[@liammcnulty1987]

U OK hun?