DAIRY FREE KEFIR : Better Than Yogurt + Billions of Probiotics

[@LILLO52]

This lady put so much effort in this video, and it is so well organized, detailed, and explained that, hadn't I been retired on a very fixed income in the remote mountains of the Philippines, I'd be buying her a cup of coffee every month. Unfortunately, the best I can do, is wish her best of luck.

[@erictheshark9045]

Greetings from Germany! I LOVE your channel - to me the very best "fermentation-channel" in the world- thank you so much! 💜

[@CleanFoodLiving]

So sweet, thank you!

[@bybbah]

I must say ,your video is beautiful, simple ,detailed, every question is covered.Truly many thanks .I'm west African lady who lives in NY ,I have an advanced hypothyroidism so I struggle, 6 yrs ago after a big inflammation, I started changing my lifestyle to improve my health. EVERY MONTH I spend on milk kefir since I must reduce my lactose and calcium ,so your video will be helpful to reduce my spending after I get my kefir grains .the journey has began. Many many thanks.

[@PlantObsessed]

Thank you for the video. Eating fermented food has cured my stomach issues. 🎉🎉Thank you.

[@CleanFoodLiving]

Wonderful!

[@SweetChicagoGator]

Fermented food is great for stomach issues & has helped me tremendously in my diabetes fights !!

[@MsLinz1975]

This is what I'm here for.

[@TheDarkAnoriel]

The BEST Kefir video I have seen! Thank you for putting so much effort into filming everything and trialling all the "experiments".

[@marieroda7219]

Many thanks to my favourite fermentation Teacher 🌼

[@daveroberts1640]

Great video! You are a wonderful teacher! Thx

[@cupidok2768]

How i can make with nothing cow or animals? I wanna stay away from parasites

[@ManicMuzee]

I just found this channel when I wanted to start making our own fermented food to improve my families health. I am very excited to try all these recipes.

[@tor5457]

Asked a shop if their kefir grains can be used for plant milks and he responded with the link to this video. His referral was perfect. I'm in deep now. What you do is awesome, inspiring, and practical. Many thanks!

[@CleanFoodLiving]

That's great, welcome to the deep end!🤩

[@heartshapedisle]

Thank you so much Adrienna. I've been waiting for Spring to start my water kefir plant milk experience. I live in southern Tasmania Australia. You put so much information into each video. So appreciated.

[@ligiasommers]

I have been doing it with coconut milk , and to have a “Greek Yogurt “like , I add organic gelatin powder ( diluted sim warm water ) to the mix , before putting in the refrigerator. It is perfect !!thank you for your amazing work . I love it 🙏🏻🌷✨🙏🏻

[@maineshop-t6p]

What is your ratio in making it like greek yogurt? Would like to try out your recipe. Thanks in advance for sharing

[@ligiasommers]

@@maineshop-t6p I dissolve a tea spoon of a good gelatin ( I buy from Amazon ) in half glass of warm water and add to the coconut kefir . Put in the refrigerator and next day you have a thicker , Greek yogurt like kefir . It is delicious and even more nutritious too . Thanks for asking an any other doubt , don’t hesitate to ask 🙏🏻🍀

[@KatarinaS.]

This is great info, thank you!​@@ligiasommers

[@cindyfields5170]

You’re the best at showing and explaining this! Thank you so much I’m going to try I’ve been putting this off thinking it’s to much to do but you make it seem simple!

[@ginamitembe8935]

As always thanks for bringing us none toxic natural health information 💯♥️👍

[@LAKSHMIANGELES]

GREAT! I NEEDED THIS CLASS LONG TIME AGO AS I WAS USED TO MAKING MILK KEFIR YEARS AGO AND SINCE I STOPPED USING MILK I ONLY TRIED MAKING PLANT KEFIR ONCE AND IT CAME OUT SO-SO. THANK YOU! BLESSINGS,🌺☮️💟🌺

[@SweetChicagoGator]

So wonderful to learn and know ! I Love Kiefer, but not sugary sweet cuz I am diabetic. So TFS for this fab recipe ! 😘🤗

[@karenzimmer7607]

Love how you explain EVERYTHING. Thanks for your great videos

[@kamalashmawi8190]

You are so informative, and you made it easy to make. Thank you so much.

[@liudmilaiakovleva9301]

Dear Adrienne, you are a Real Magic Angel! Beautiful, smart, generous, kind and very inspiring. Follow many of your recipes and everything is delicious . Recently discovered for myself hemp milk and hemp yogurt. Unforgettable pleasure when I tasted them for the first time. I make kefir from milk grains and it is also nice. Thank you!!!!

[@boa1793]

Liudmila, I totally agree on the angel part, but the magic part, well …. She works so hard to gather her evidence using numerous brands and examples, compiling all that information and setting up her shots, and editing that it’s not magic. It’s tons of hard work that I’m grateful for.

[@leonardo41477]

Adrienna, you are more than amazing! Thanks again!

[@outdooorsman]

Thanks!

[@CleanFoodLiving]

Thank you!

[@outdooorsman]

@@CleanFoodLiving your welcome!i have to say you should be a model not on youtube.you are absolutely beautiful!

[@karronlaneNOLA]

thank you so much for this straightforward education on kefir. well done and appreciated.

[@tiaramassie9281]

Yes, you explained very well. Very clear, thank you . Greeting from Indonesia. We are tropical country, have lots of 🥥 coconut. Each person may have different reaction with kegir drink. My body react well with milk based kefir but not with water based kefir.

[@trudybongers3534]

❤❤😮😮 thanks for your ideas and lessons learned 🌷🌺 greetings from Roermond in the Netherlands 🌷🌷🌷🌷🌷🌷🌷🌷🌷🌷🌷🌷🌷

[@deecee8108]

This is an amazing work of love. I have learned so much. Thank you for sharing this. You are well organized, well spoken, and you offered this for free.

[@ggauche3465]

Jam packed with info!

[@louisecolligan8729]

Your videos are so informative and so well done. Love them. I appreciate your using metric quantities as they are precise and accurate. Thank you for all your hard work. I started using milk grains and making kefir because of you.

[@CleanFoodLiving]

That is wonderful to hear!

[@anall3l3]

I didn't plan to make plant milk kefir but your voice and tone made me stay and watch anyway.

[@donaldoutdoors]

This is such a great video (all of yours are to be honest). I just purchased my first milk and water grains via your links. Thank you so much!!!

[@isagoldfield7393]

Just a tip for coconut milk, I ♥️coconut milk & been using for cooking, coffee, tea & baking. I buy mine at the ASIAN STORE they have the best price & best brand to buy is the AROY-D not in the can, get the one in the carton 33.8fl oz for $3.49,,,,99.95%coconut milk that’s why it tastes so good. The best coconut milk in my opinion😍

[@ravelanone9462]

Unfortunately, the remaining 0.05% of the contents is Polysorbate-60, a chemical emulsifier, thickener, and stabilizer. There are plenty of other brands out there that are delicious and that contain 100% coconut milk. Some are organic.

[@lisamarie1358]

Actually Amazon sells "Thai Kitchen" full fat coconut milk for even less by the case which is what I've switched to (under $2 per can)

[@GeneralTrusty]

Trader Joe's has cans of organic coconut milk for about $1.50

[@joycreated]

​@@ravelanone9462 Thanks!

[@TedCindyT]

Can I use water kefir grains in dairy milk? If so, what will be the difference in taste?

[@joycreated]

I so appreciate and respect you. Thank you for the gifts that you give us with your knowledge and "Zen" type way of presenting the information! I asked you this question as well when I bought you a cup of tea! Do you change out your milk that you're holding your grains in? Do you periodically have to toss out recycle compost your grains as they grow? I could see a video in the future of just answering all of our questions! I learned a lot! I did make keeper for about a year and experimented with plant-based versus milk and combining. I have not been successful with water keeper but I think I got a bad lot to start with. I will persevere. I think keeper is one of the healthiest things we can put in our body.

[@CleanFoodLiving]

Hi there! ►STORING MILK KEFIR GRAINS IN MILK For up to 2tbsp (40g) milk kefir grains per quart/liter of milk. Store in the refrigerator. Once you see the milk separate in the fridge, that indicates the kefir grains have consumed the lactose sugar in the milk that they utilize for food. * It does not indicate spoilage! It indicates fermentation. * At the time of separation, remove the milk from the fridge & strain the grains. Repeat the process by adding new/fresh milk to the grains & store in the fridge until separation of milk occurs once more. The grains in the quart/liter of milk will last about 7 days if you have 30-40g of grains in the quart/liter of milk. You could get up to 10 days if you have less than 30 g of grains. It may be a couple days +/- . Just watch the milk, that's your indicator. When it separates, it's time to switch milks. Even though the milk has separated, you can drink the milk that the grains were stored in after the grains are strained out… because it is indeed kefir… It’s just a very slow developing kefir because the cold temps of the fridge significantly slow down the fermentation process. Tip: the more milk you add in ratio to the grains quantity, the longer it can store in the fridge before milk separation occurs. If you have more than 40g of milk kefir grains, then split the grains and place each half in a quart/liter jar of milk.

[@danas5463]

I'm so excited 😊 I'm 60 years young...I have been making my water kefir for way over a year...I love it! I have wanted to try milk kefir but didn't want to buy those grains too....now since my water grains have multiplied...and I have a can of coconut milk, I'm thrilled about setting it up as soon as my double batch of kefir water is done in 2 days...Yay...thank you ❤️ And adding blended berries to the finished milk kefir product sounds amazing!

[@CleanFoodLiving]

Exciting!🤩

[@sebastiana6034]

How can I get the water grains? Where can I buy them?

[@CleanFoodLiving]

@@sebastiana6034 I've provided links in the video description👍😊

[@danas5463]

​@@CleanFoodLivingI had to tell you have much I love the coconut milk kefir ❤❤❤❤ and wow my water kefir grains became plump and sassy too 😂 I talk to them, weird I suppose...I blended some today with green bananas yummy...I was wondering...I buy powdered coconut milk...do you think reconstituted, it would work? Thank you again so much...stay Blessed

[@0rangekick]

Thank you for the info, especially the details in the info box. Have a great day!

[@CleanFoodLiving]

Thank you so much!

[@StudioVegan]

Thank you for the level of detail I’ll be using my water kefir grain thought I needed to buy the milk grain.

[@tracieledsome4128]

Great videoe .. I've made Kimchi, vinagars, and fermented other vegetables... This is my next adventure. You explained it well.

[@cherylwin9364]

THANK YOU FOR SHARING THIS IMPORTANT INFORMATION WITH GREAT DETAILS 😇👍🏾

[@PaulaL-8888]

Thank you for all the effort and time you put into your videos. I’m sorry it’s not more but just a little gesture to say I appreciate you 💖

[@CleanFoodLiving]

This is such a wonderful gift, thank you so much!💗😊

[@BeeTee292]

best health channel in youtube!

[@pavelchorda8425]

Clear, relax and direct to the point. 🎉

[@helenheidel7458]

Watching her video while working on our milk kefir for first fermentation...hopefully it will be a success.

[@susannehager1092]

Very good video, thank you very much!

[@vukilengema7885]

Hi from kwa Zulu Natal in South Africa. Thank you this was soo informative. Can't wait to try the recipe out😊

[@mil-h5977]

Another excellent video, so detailed! I learned a lot! Thanks!

[@vickiesanchez1496]

Another great tutorial! Thank you so much!

[@ibechioma1769]

Great teacher, keep it up. Thanks, your video is educating.

[@steveshuffle]

Incredible video Adrienna! You’re opening our worlds to incredible new flavours! Would it be possible to also get “thick” plant-based kefir, like you showed us in another video with the regular milk? Many thanks

[@CleanFoodLiving]

Unfortunately, no. The whey and milk protein that separate in dairy kefir is what allows for the making of thick kefir. But there is no whey nor casein in plant materials.

[@nightrangercrane4342]

Thank you for sharing. Great information on kefir, but Does both milk and water kefir cause weight gain?

[@KlinikSygeplejersken]

Love your videos

[@Just_forfun9140]

Grocery stores are selling coconuts these days for $2, these are the ones with husk removed, dark brown color shell, the coconut meat inside is thick with water. Make sure the coconut did not go bad, before you drink the water. Indian grocery stores have them too.

[@nicolemyers8551]

Will you pretty please do a video on how to dehydrate your extra kefir grains to share - along with other options? Like how to store fresh if giving it away right away or how to store frozen.

[@CleanFoodLiving]

It's on the list! In the video description, scroll to the bottom to find short term storage instructions 👍

[@nicolemyers8551]

@@CleanFoodLiving thank you so much!!

[@LadySkippy]

This video is so informative! I learned so much. All your fermentation videos have seemed easy and like even a beginner like me can make fermented food.

[@CleanFoodLiving]

I'm so glad!

[@leandroseoane3791]

The BEST EXPLANATION EVER!

[@h3h3umm]

VERY informative! Thank you so much

[@martinmenke604]

just what i was looking for and more! amazing thank you so much, keep up the good work. and keep them fermenting!

[@paranjothiYog]

Keep up this wonderful service. I appreciate your work!

[@clarecao1343]

Thanks!

[@CleanFoodLiving]

Thank you so very much!

[@joannetipping2936]

Thanks

[@CleanFoodLiving]

Thank you very much!😃

[@KatarinaS.]

I'm sorry if you answered this question in the video and I missed it, but i wondered, when using water in your milks, either when making your own plant milk or diluting the canned coconut milk, or even when rinsing the grains, is it necessary to use filtered or spring water or is ordinary tap water ok to use? Thank you for this wonderful, detailed video!

[@smrkc132]

Hvala.

[@CleanFoodLiving]

Thank you!

[@NannyOggins]

Thanks

[@CleanFoodLiving]

Thank you very much!🙂

[@TramsX]

Try ginger beer plant. You will be amazed!

[@u_me_n_shopping]

Very engaging video presentation❤ I have a question 🙋why have u never made videos or even mentioned about beet kvass. . I have attempted it 4 times in different ways.. My kvass has always formed a thick spongy white layer on top..i see under the spongy white film, the kvass is clear, Is it safe to use once the spongy white layer is removed...... Please please please, make few videos or atleast 1 video covering this problem with beet Kvass. . And I live in India , my region has 100 deg F now in summer

[@TL-mm7ni]

You have the best instruction…better than doctors on KZbin. Can we leave out the sugar? Or can I replace sugar with raw honey?

[@CleanFoodLiving]

Yes you can👍😊

[@spottycat22]

Hi - I just found your channel and checking out many of your excellent videos. I have been experimenting with soy kefir but will try other plant based ideas. However, adding a whole tablespoon of sugar doesn't sound that healthy. What are your opinions on this? Many thanks, Chris

[@kojomensah6389]

Great video, how can you use coconut milk powder.

[@victorward3590]

Thank you so much! I am looking forward to trying this.

[@TheAngeltinks]

If you peel your almonds before straining, you can make almond meal and almond flour from the pulp

[@InquisitiveMind23]

HATS OFF... I am grateful for this masterclass. We don't get raw milk, can this be stored in pasteurised cow's milk?

[@CleanFoodLiving]

Yes👍

[@hilaryhoe]

Thanks for the great video. If I use 800ml of coconut milk, how much milk kefir grains should I use, and how much sugar should I put in? And how about water kefir grains in coconut milk? Do I use the same amount of water kefir as the milk kefir? Thank you!

[@quetzgo]

Please can you tell me if you have a video of yogurt made with coconut or other milk not dairy or goat. I’m allergic. Thanks so much.🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@danieldawson3294]

What a fantastic video, thanks!

[@userchooser]

I've been binge-watching your videos and enjoy your method of teaching. My kefir grains arrived today, so I'm excited to start & only feel confident guided by your techniques and demos. Thank you so much for what you do, all your hard work producing quality content, and for all the knowledge you share with us! One question: Does the milk you store the grains in eventually go bad and so do you have to keep changing the milk? (I'll be using raw goats milk which I acquired yesterday for the first time, and I'm thinking it has a shelf life.) Same question for raw sheep and cows milk for storing kefir grains in. Many thanks!!

[@CleanFoodLiving]

The kefir preserves the milk for quite some time and you don't have to toss it when its time to change out the storage milk. Its perfectly good kefir! Please see video description on how to store the milk. Scroll down near the bottom for the info 👍🙂

[@userchooser]

@@CleanFoodLiving Thank you. Also, can I use Pomegrante Syrup, which is made with only two ingredients--Organic Pomegranate juice and Date Syrup, as my sugar source?

[@CleanFoodLiving]

@@userchooser Yes you sure can!

[@MaurytheHedgehogDog]

Just sent this to my vegan daughter

[@samonelett2111]

I loved your video!! I've been making L Reuteri for over a month with no issues this easy Kefir has been my Achilles heel!!!! First I used ultra pasteurized milk I was told that was not the right milk but my Kefir was beautiful and I had grains. I threw away the grains in fear I had messed it up and now with the new whole milk, no grains were left unless I smashed them LOL! I was using dehydrated/powder kefir grains but will try with fresh grains and see how I do. Thank you 😁

[@CleanFoodLiving]

Good luck!😃

[@MrStanfran]

Thank you for all these new kefir videos. Just wondering how often you change the milk in the holding jar for the grains. Do you go by expiration date of milk?

[@CleanFoodLiving]

Hi, I have instructions written out that I have added to the video description. Please scroll down to the very bottom of the description where you will find the info, thanks! 😊

[@pavanipresents5484]

Really loved your video thank you so much. What is about nutrition values of each nut kefire and protine

[@thintandiara393]

I love your video👍 may i know for how long we can use the home jar, when is the time to replace the milk and the sugar in the home jar? Thank you🙏

[@CleanFoodLiving]

See the video description for home jar storage instructions. Scroll down near the bottom for the info👍🙂

[@chloer26835]

Very informative video, thanks for these many tips. I’m asking if add raw honey would compromise the milk kefir grains ? I don't want to add refined sugar, honey would be ideal but it has antibacterial properties. What do you think ?

[@fishpickles1377]

This is a great video, thank you. Going to try the water kefir with soymilk.

[@catherineozarko5480]

Great hair style! I enjoy your instruction videos. Thank you for such great presentation.

[@BodhiSoul22]

Great clarity & descriptive presentation! Luvd it ! 👌👏👏👏👏🏅🏅🏅

[@nataliawilson9477]

I have been making kefir from cow milk for years and never even thought of adding sugar to the milk. And it works just fine! Admittedly, I have never tried making any alternatives milks kefir, maybe those cannot be produce without added sugar. But milk kefir certainly can.

[@CleanFoodLiving]

Milk kefir can ferment without added sugar because the lactose in animal milk IS sugar. That's what the probiotics are feeding on, natural milk sugar. Plant milk does not contain lactose sugar nor any other type of sugar... which is why it has to be added.

[@nataliawilson9477]

​@@CleanFoodLiving This was precisely my point: lactose in the milk should be sufficient for the culture to grow so I don't understand the need to add any extra sugar (yes, I know very well that lactose IS sugar). So what is the point of doing that? Will it yield more kefir? It's not a criticism, a genuine question. I would try adding sugar if I knew what the advantage of it was...

[@CleanFoodLiving]

@@nataliawilson9477 I don't understand where you are coming from. No where in this video did I say to add sugar to cow's milk. No where in this plant milk video am I demonstrating using cow's milk for kefir making. The sugar is added in this video is to either nut milk, coconut milk or seed milk, not cow's milk. The milk kefir grains are stored in cow's milk and never did I say to add sugar to the cow's milk they are stored in. Perhaps something in this video was misunderstood. Please send me the specific time point in the video where you think I said to add sugar to cow's milk. 👍👍

[@ukurikiakas]

@@CleanFoodLivingI think she is missing the point, thinking that you’ve been adding the sugar to aid the milk kefir grains with fermentation, when in reality the sugar is added to aid the PLANT milk. The milk kefir grains just happen to be one of the options you can use.

[@farmerandadeleacres2726]

This is for making plant based kefir for people who do not want to have dairy. The plant milks will need some sugar because unlike cows milk, It doesn’t have the sugars needed to ferment. This video has nothing to do with anything about “Cows milk”

[@markaxt5492]

Very good teacher. Very thorough. Thank you.

[@dancepopchoreo9211]

How does dairy-free kefir compare with milk kefir in terms of probiotics? Which has more; milk or dairy-free?! Also, which of the non-dairy milks contain the most probiotics?! This would make a great video or two!! Keep making videos, your great!

[@kathyhill2642]

I am new to whole process. I have been buying it in the store and love drinking it. Three questions: 1 - does the process described above produce a thick kefir like I get in the store? 2 - is there a way to take this process further and make yogurt? I cannot have dairy but would like a "greek yogurt" type kefir to use in certain recipes. 3 - do you change the whole milk that the grains are returned to after each use? thanks for the video - it really helped me!

[@CleanFoodLiving]

HI there, 1. plant milks cannot produce thickness because there is no whey in them to separate out nor the protein casein. In homemade kefir, it is the casein and separating out the whey that makes dairy kefir thick. In store bought kefir, they add thickeners (the thickness is not naturally derived) Homemade kefir & commercial kefir are not the same (despite being sold as so). Watch my video on the difference here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/l2eQo4B-pZdphLc for thick homemade diary kefir, watch this video of mine on how: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pKW4gaKel6uWo80 2. Yogurt fermentation and kefir fermentation are not the same, not made the same... therefore - no. 3. I change it about every 7-9 days. Bests!😊

[@mariamorris954]

I recently found your videos and I love it!! Just made my first jar of Coconut milk kefir, all coming out as you said. Later on I will taste it🙏🏼 I can't have dairy nor lectins, so Coconut is a good choice for me, perhaps hauled hemp seeds too I have to research it Thank you !!

[@CleanFoodLiving]

Hope it turned out delicious!

[@victormattison8295]

Are there any store bought plant Kefir you would recommend that’s just as healthy?

[@superslimj8013]

Thank you, congratulations on another great video 👏🏽. I am going to try the (canned) coconut milk kefir with water kefir grains initially. I am going to use a raw honey/honeycomb product in place of sugar; any tips on the quantity to use for a successful 1st ferment? TIA 😊

[@holodeckdragon8876]

outstanding video. professional, detailed and clear. thank you!

[@steve62933]

I just Love your channel🤩So much information.

[@nirmalvats434]

Great video. Please tell me what u were adding in the mixture to make kefir. What do u call and where one can buy from

[@lisengel2498]

Very informative and inspiring 🙏🎵🤍🎶

[@bettysmith3667]

I make the kefir with milk grains as you suggested and suffered heartburn. I’m assuming it’s the yeast component and have kept the lid loose to minimize effervescence. Take small portions before, during or after a meal…same result. Can you recommend a solution? Love your channel!

[@CleanFoodLiving]

Goodness, sorry to hear that. I'd try switching milk type... from dairy to plant milk and see if you get the same result. I have a plant milk kefir video... still kefir, just a different substrate. The link for that video is in the video description 🙂

[@nikitaheggie7504]

I am so glad I found your video. I jew nothing about kefir and now have learnt everything I need to know to get started. And makes me excited 😊 just has a question. Can I use coconut milk (can) and hemp seeds together to make kefir milk?

[@CleanFoodLiving]

Yes you can! do any combo you wish... just follow the basic formula no mater which kind of milk medium you create👍🙂

[@conniebo7694]

Could you talk about kefir powder starters? I heard this works with those who don’t want to work with grains or don’t have time, I’ve tried a started powder with soy milk it has to be soy beans and just water, it worked well, other milk boxes I was told won’t work but I’m encouraged how you tried other boxed milks with the real grains

[@CleanFoodLiving]

Yes you can use powders instead... just keep in mind they are not the same fermented product (despite being called 'kefir starter') than kefir made with the grains. But if you don't have time, then it's absolutely better than nothing. For more info about the difference between the two, watch this other video of mine here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/l2eQo4B-pZdphLc

[@Jayashree0607]

Thanks mam.

[@1MSally1965]

I freeze both types for longer term storage. Mine would continue to multiply if I kept them in the fridge.

[@Conni12321]

thank you for ur sharing,i love coconut🙌

[@christophmeier7224]

Thank you so much for all your excellent vidéos on fermentation. Question : is there a reason you did not mention soy milk or can it be used to make kefir the same way you demonstrated with nut and seed milk ? Again thanks for your work Christoph

[@CleanFoodLiving]

Yes, you can do soy milk the same way as nut milk. I didn't mention it because homemade soy milk kefir does not taste good! It's very bitter😝 If you want to do soy milk, I recommend store bought boxed because they heavily process the soy to remove the natural bitter flavor so it tastes mild and smooth. But you can certainly make your own and see for yourself!😊🌸

[@lisengel2498]

Excellent and just what I have been looking for. Thank you for sharing ❤️🧡🩷

[@servantrose]

Hello, I hope you can answer me. I have done kefir before in coconut milk and I agree with everyhing you said esp. the canned being so creamy, but! I never added sugar and it did ferment, that natural yogurty smell and tang. However, I will say I never got effervense. Maybe that's why your grains loved it, it already has enough glucose in it?

[@CleanFoodLiving]

Yes, correct 👍🙂