Cleaning House In A Mid Mobile - F-4EJ Phantom II

[@mustafahamidzada1869]

1:10 straight up opening with violations man probably the funniest war thunder youtuber by far keep it up

[@generalbub.]

that one got a snort out of me ngl

[@ahyesiamacarnerd1656]

I grinded the entire Japanese air tech tree in 2 weeks this thing prints sl 2 bases per match and in downtiers you can just beat the shit out of everyone

[@murci981]

Thinking about buying it. How exactly should I play it?

[@ahyesiamacarnerd1656]

@@murci981 do bombruns

[@doud623]

Buying it tmr aswell it’s like the F4E so I know, take 24 500lb bombs drop 12 per base and after you got 2 bases either go for kills or return to base and bomb again

[@koocoocroc1235]

@@doud623 No. Use rockets, they are lighter.

[@friesingcold]

Too late! I already bought it and ground out the Japanese tech tree! It wasn’t that bad actually, it was a monster in a down tier

[@miquelescribanoivars5049]

Between Danger Zone and Apex Predators I flown 30+ matches on the F-4EJ (got a free talisman on it about a year and a half ago) and got only ONE downtier. I guess it will get better with 12.0 but still.

[@PyroBlonde7777]

@@miquelescribanoivars5049 were you in a squad? That usually makes the uptiers constant. Plus all the people buying 11.0 prems now lol.

[@miquelescribanoivars5049]

@@PyroBlonde7777 Nope, I play solo, this was when 11.3 was top br, though.

[@PyroBlonde7777]

@Miquel Escribano Ivars things should be easier after the br decompression. But with the new 11.0 prems filling lobbies, I doubt we'll see as many down tiers. It was nice when the average US prem at top tier was 10.3. Created a nice barrier from 10.7-11.3

[@miquelescribanoivars5049]

@@PyroBlonde7777 I know abused it to hell and back on the SMT ;)

[@gumerk.7721]

"We almost kiss our friendly but he's not my homie so I'm not gonna be kissing him goodnight"- Defyn 2023

[@goodname6102]

Start from aim7d in war thunder, the sparrows all equip with Doppler filter. Therefore, as long as enemy not dodging properly(f pole) and you keep the lock (even on the chaff), the missile still can find the target. Early rader missiles like r3r and aim9c those don't have Doppler filter one tap of chaff is enough to defeat them.

[@ohlala5681]

iTs ThE SiDeLobEs

[@goodname6102]

@@ohlala5681 from what I see, sidelobe can’t explain aim9c, you can defeat it with a single chaff with slightly off angle. While you can’t fool aim7e2.

[@goodname6102]

@@ohlala5681 furthermore, just from the video, 7:58 the radar still locked on the chaff, but the missile aim7e went straight to the enemy plane. So the radar was not guiding the missile, otherwise it should go to the chaff if you were launching a missile without Doppler filter like aim9c, the missile itself knew what and where its target was.

[@goodname6102]

@@ohlala5681 Long story short, sparrows are semi-active, the missile locks the target and guides itself. And since they have Doppler filter(speed gate), they can hit the targets that aren’t f pole and chaff.

[@solreaver83]

With chaff and flares especially against the better missiles the countermeasures really need to get between you the defender and the missile or enemy plane (for radar) to pull the attention away. In the example in your video he didn't turn so his flares were left behind and you and your missile had an unobstructed path to the plane. Had he been flying more away from you the flares chaff would have been between you both and likely have worked

[@ach3909]

Not entirely. One match I had an F1C-200 in front of my F-4J at around 2.5km (and he's pulling away) at around 300m altitude. Out of IR missiles and had 2x7F's left. Couldn't get a PD lock so flew even lower to get a lock on normal TRK mode and fired. He dumped flares and chaff, predictably my radar locked onto the chaff(being non PD lock) but unusually the missile still went for him. Really unusual since we were both so low that the radar screen was full of ground clutter fuzz yet it still somehow worked. At that point the chaff was truly between me and him, now I know it's a 7F and not a 7E so maybe the 7F just has better chaff resistance!? (if you can call it that) than a 7E.

[@RedTail1-1]

That’s just how the Sparrows work. Any SARH missile. So long as your radar is locked onto the chaff after being locked to the aircraft the Sparrow will still go for the aircraft. It’s “Semi” Active Radar Homing. Meaning it works in tandem with your radar but can’t fully track on it’s own. So long as you don’t break the lock the Sparrow will track. Most people don’t know it can do that so as soon as they see chaff locked they break the lock to relock the enemy. It also works with every other SARH missile in the game. R23/24, Skyflash, and the goddamn R27ER that should not have been added to the game yet.

[@locksneedfartn]

9:30 Syrian lead turn moment

[@randomportuguese473]

Hey Defyn! Just got the f14 and i see im having a bad time with the radar(modes...). It would be amazing if the near Future you made a video about radar and tips. Keep up the amazing work♥️

[@Sandycheeks6699]

Check out Tim's Variety, he did a video on the F-14 and its radar modes when it first came out. It honestly really helped me learn the ropes.

[@randomportuguese473]

@@Sandycheeks6699 thx dude

[@friesingcold]

The ability for certain radar missiles to track despite the radar tracking chaff is realistic, most high performance radar missiles have a “speed gate” basically because the missile knows its tracking a moving target, it ignores slow moving returns unless the returns are similar to the plane, think of it like MTI radar, it’s not actually pulse Doppler, but it is functionally similar (in game). Against certain pulse doppler radars, chaff does in fact work, as the enemy jet approaches the notch, chaff becomes more and more effective, because of how the closing rate approaches 0.

[@friesingcold]

Some missiles, like the Aim-7M, Skyflash, Aspide, and several others, have true pulse Doppler compatibly, with their inverse Mono-pulse seekers. As far as I know the seeker type differences aren’t modeled in game yet.

[@ollilaine6763]

@@friesingcold Inverse monopulse seekers won't be modeled as of now because there is literally nothing they could add. Irl they had better accuracy but in-game all missiles have 100% accuracy and they are immune to simple jamming techniques but ECM isn't in the game.

[@2BsWraith]

I understand its probably bad, but I like it, and i think thats what matters, it seems effective enough in capable hands anyways.

[@rifkys8356]

I love those bass boosted sonic boom sfx, sounds like a vine boom sfx

[@_GODSFIGHTER]

6:00 i love how you compare missiles to like an office person 😂

[@derritter3873]

What are your thoughts on the new br changes coming soon? I know the small decompression will be nice, but idk about the EJ Kai being 11.7. No more F-5C killing. Sure the loadout and radar is good, but a gen 3 jet is still a gen 3, and now vs all the gen 4s is gonna hurt. I hope it gets guided munitions one day so I can do more in grb.

[@TURQOlSE]

SU-25 didn’t get a change and I’m livid

[@wilsonlee4658]

its terrible lmao.like i saw the br changes and im like heck yes finally the ej kai can be competitive somewhat and then i saw it also went up the 11.7 and im like.....WHATS A PHANTOM DOING AT 11.7 LMAO

[@thyunholysinner5389]

@@TURQOlSEshouldn’t be surprised it’s a Russian made game

[@aratay3117]

@@Bobspineable No uptier that thing further

[@derritter3873]

@@Bobspineable Just aim at things without flares. Just for Japan, you got 3 different sabres (8.7-9.0), the T-2 (9.7), the F-1 (10.3) and the F-104J (10.7). All without flares you could easily kill. It’s still kinda dumb having sabres vs the Su-25. Mid-50s vs mid-80s tech is quite the gap.

[@andyeulu828]

I have buy the machine too grind my last top tier jets on Japan and i like the Phantom. The Plane is a Missle and Bomb Truck i kill many Basis with the Bombs and i make a loot of Money. For the Air VS Air Cpmbat i use my EJ Kai Phantom =D. The ADTW my first focus is Bomb the Base and then i try to make Air to Air Combat. And i like the EJ Kai so much i know is not agiel like an F-16 but i think is a good Plane.

[@HighjeX_]

One of the trains of all time

[@jaek_898]

They take 1.8 seconds to start tracking at all and 4.5 to fully "wake up", once I started focusing on firing them from far enough away to give them 5 seconds I started getting a lot more kills with them.

[@eesangWT]

2:25 F-16A is def better than the EJ Kai but I currently find the EJ Kai more fun to play. Two extra missiles and the better high-speed instantaneous turn for last-second notching feels more... interactive?

[@specialman6004]

F-16 isn’t gonna be better because it doesn’t have the missile capability that the F-4EJ KAI has. This is why the F-14 is still top dog because it has more missiles and it’s a decent plane. also F-16 rn is absolutely a brick

[@eesangWT]

@@specialman6004 F-16's limiter in War Thunder is unfinished and I hope Gaijin fixes it soon. It can pull 11G at the deck with min fuel but can barely pull 8 G with max fuel above 4km altitude. Not being able to pull even 9 G at +4km is painful when the EJ Kai can sustain 12 G for an entire 90° turn.

[@specialman6004]

@@eesangWT it’s not gonna be fixed because the F-16 is a two circle turn fighter, not really meta.

[@theverminator8048]

Yeah i love the f-16 irl but they are not that fun to play in game

[@NCSiebertdesign]

@@specialman6004 Mmmm, my current death is around 60 and made over 300 kills with f-16 in air RB. It's not a good jet?

[@jigsawalwayswins8636]

I play it, like its a cracked out A4 skyhawk. Gaus on the center bottom and full missle loadout. 28 second turn time with an extra gun aint bad at all

[@ivanshishkov4473]

also about the missiles, i dont know which have this feature and which dont, but basically if a missile loses radar lock it just flies to the last calculated position, therefore if you keep moving forward you will fly right into its path

[@lamborgatti-4783]

Thing i loved when i was using the f4e,hell 2 years ago when it was the f4e and the mig21 smt the f4e was king but even now in a down tier is slams,radar isnt great but my god everytime i loose lock the missile would 9-10 times still hit the target,in the f4j ir f14 they just turn hard in a different direction almost like its making it impossible for it to get anywhere near the enemy after it looses lock

[@carlomendoza6173]

With the latest update Japan has an F-16 now, so I guess it's pretty worth it

[@ziggecigarr6150]

That is the only reason I grind Japan

[@carlomendoza6173]

@@ziggecigarr6150 for real man, I got the Japanese F-16 maxed out and it's really worth it

[@Azidic]

What are your thoughts on the J7e? Do you think it's competitivenes will increase after the BR changes?

[@ChloeTheMarxistFxg]

The big problem with J-7E is the repair cost.

[@claverse5478]

@@ChloeTheMarxistFxg it's a good plane so the repair cost is understandable

[@ghostofthecommentsection]

"If you get downtiered to 11.3"

[@sentinelxcix2526]

Any chance you’ll revisit the JA37C once the BR changes go through? I got the J35XS after selling the event tornado and I’m getting close to it (already have the AJ37)

[@zedbarrett9376]

That video has some hilarious commentary haha

[@LaminarTurbulence]

One thing: this is one of the few rank 7 premiums that doesn't have a fucked SL multiplier.

[@makeshifthappiness1869]

So it's worth for silver grinding?

[@LaminarTurbulence]

@@makeshifthappiness1869 No, just for silver grinding there are cheaper planes at lower BRs with similar sl multipliers and more favourable match making.

[@BBFCvids]

I think its a decent way to grind the Japanese tree, vs the JASDF sabre There is still upgrade potential with the EJ Kai, and while the future additions are limited its worth grinding out if you do like China etc If you main USA or Russia then grinding Japan is less important

[@Zenitchik_130]

It should be Kai to start with

[@vuphan3605]

Could you try flying out the F-3 Demon anytime soon?

[@BOSs-1313]

That plane sucks so bad

[@CyberBot17]

maybe buying the premium japanese sabre might make more sense for a slower, cheaper and slightly less painful grind that will buy you time until Japan gets the F-2 or something idk I'm talking out my ass rn i don't know how much it will take for the F-2 to be added or how much advanced it is to the F-16s right now

[@theRealests]

I played the tech tree variant when top tier was 11.3 and this thing was/is atrocious to play. The 9Ps are mid as mid and the 7Es dont really work. The radar is in fact, very mid and flight oerformance wise it is terrifyingly mid.

[@besty453]

that's so satisfying to hear sonic booms

[@sharkk127]

Um almost tempted to by this cause I love f4s, but considering my experience trying to spade the f4e I don't think I would want to buy this thing, I would rather wait for the f4e in dcs

[@giga_migga]

4:04 "Huh first time"

[@bennyohara2357]

I wish i had watched this video before buying this thing

[@fidelismiles7439]

damn is it that bad?

[@deckpogi2680]

been checking this and the UK one which is even worth getting for?

[@jackriley3340]

bought 7 for me and all my friends because you told me so

[@dieplijojo_9234]

Can you make a video on dealing with the SU-11, because honestly I have no idea on how to fight them effectively

[@ivanshishkov4473]

I really dont know how the naming of these planese work. Soviet planes for example mean that more letters=better performance

[@stefanknauer7180]

Crazy how within 11 months the meta has entirely changed. You hardly find anyone above 500m, even at 10.0... Also facing F-16 and MiG-29 every single match now...

[@Dbars19]

ummm with all the new BR changes the Sea harrier is going to fucking slap.

[@yoloactual6975]

whats the keybind to make my radar do a little search circle that nabs the target in the scope like that? My only radar bind i know that locks a target is "Lock Radar/IRST on Target" and 99% of the time i hit it, it does nothing let alone lock on to the correct target

[@makeshifthappiness1869]

Oh you're talking about radar missiles. I deleted my other comment as I misunderstood and thought you meant lock on missiles in general. Your radar ones don't lock cause you need to use like 3 different keybinds for that. There's one that allows you to switch the radar modes. And one that let's you cycle through the targets displayed on your radar. You gotta cycle to the target you wanna fire at once they've shown on your radar and it will put that little green box around them. Then you still have to "lock air to air missile" on top of that and keep them locked on until the missile hits.

[@Crembaw]

So you wanna leave the “AIM-9Bs” on? No 9Gs?

[@mavor101]

Downtier in this thing is literally just people taking full bomb loads grinding.. 100% seal clubbing

[@monkeybrains911]

What is the best premium to grind out an f16 then?

[@stevepidge]

Mirage 2000c guns only. Can you get an ace?? Would love to see you try it!!

[@natsukazeai3707]

could you make a video about EJ-kai for the next patch?

[@fearlesspanda8564]

50% off for f15 grind do it?

[@XnarozX]

just bomb with it, you will vs 12.0 every game, downtier is very rare (everyone is playing f4s)

[@XnarozX]

bombing is good consistent sl and rp (its modifier is very good)

[@sim6446]

the premium A5C grinders are some of the weirdest fucking specimen ive ever seen in this game some of them have to be bots

[@matythebunny]

no idea how they're planning on leaving this at 11.0 while moving the F-4J(UK) to 10.7. not much difference, but the F-4J(UK) won't be flying against 4th gens

[@justmonika4340]

F-4J(UK) isn't moving, its the German F4F moving down which is fair since it doesn't have any sparrows and only 4 AIM-9Js

[@fate3071]

@@justmonika4340 I definitely would have preferred giving the F-4F it's historical AIM-9L's over a BR decrease.

[@Zoider_]

@@fate3071 ill take bullying 9.7s over 9ls any day

[@fate3071]

@@Zoider_ still gonna get bullied by F-14's and Mig-23's

[@Zoider_]

@@fate3071 Actually no 10.7 sees like 8/10 games at a downtier

[@illusiv8781]

Well uh too late I bought when it came out, the reason… well it’s was a black phantom 😓

[@mochabear88]

gg

[@bobdole6768]

11.0 isn't bad with a 12.0 cap, a lot better than 11.3 british phantoms, do you think its better than the f4e (it doesn't have PD or agile eagle so i guess it is worse)?

[@miquelescribanoivars5049]

Its worse on all metrics, same radar, no AE, no DF Sparrow.

[@aleski6506]

@@miquelescribanoivars5049 and for ground battles, no mavericks or guided bombs on the EJ

[@miquelescribanoivars5049]

@@aleski6506 Yep, forgot about mudmoving.

[@theoriginalcornisgood2.0]

A lot better then 11.3 British phantom ah? You okay or not? It's even fucking worst and with the new BR depression doesn't help shit at all you know ah. At least the British plane has better fucking radar.

[@miquelescribanoivars5049]

@@theoriginalcornisgood2.0 I think you reply to the wrong guy

[@melle9155]

Surprised this wasn't just put at 10.7 to start

[@miquelescribanoivars5049]

This is Japan, they have a F-104 without countermeasures and wing pylon AIM-9's (so x4 AIM-9P max) at that br.

[@mamons_2339]

Kissahomie

[@the_jingo]

you think this's worst? then you've never played f4f late

[@6._d._.a._.n_.9]

Please…need……prop..video…..

[@norway3062]

Play the yak 15p

[@dakotahondalock5621]

The Doof does as the Doof wishes

[@gabrielabreu5200]

At least the f4f in going down to 10.7, it might be competitive there, but i still think the mig 21 mf is a better fighter

[@AWACSHOUND]

Honestly the F-4E and EJ (Not Kai) should just be put at 10.7 with the F-4Failure

[@lukasier4215]

don't buy it, matchmaker is broken 12.0 every game

[@GreGoEDS]

A yes japanese planes, gaijin LOVES japanese planes, theyre NOT uptiered at all, and are COMPLETELY BALANCED especialy at 6.0 ( I R O N Y )

[@theironwolf1871]

Trying to intercept 288s in uptiered zeroes is a bitch lol

[@CaptainRasco]

@@theironwolf1871 ... why are you intercepting bombers in a zero

[@Tom-jw7ii]

@@CaptainRascoI mean what else can you do at 6.0?

[@theoriginalcornisgood2.0]

The techtree version of this plane made me an even worst person then what the stock top tier MBT with heat fs did. So I bought the premium version of the plane since I want to grind the F-4EJ Kai faster and when another top tier plane gets added for Japan. Even the premium version makes me a worst person but it didn't break my SL. Only my ewallet. Now all I do is bomb 2 bases, insult Mig 29s that can't shoot down F-16s leaving it all to me in which I usually die. A Mig 29 and American F-16 attempted to bomb a base I was going for and I was infrount of both of them. They both tried to TK me but it didn't worked. So I sent two AIM-9Ps and tked both of them and now I am chat banned for 15 days since they both reported me because I was saying things about their mother's, insulting which country the both came from, spoke in Chinese, Bahasa and English all in one chat in there DM. I'm a very sane player due to top tier (:

[@No1harris_98]

I feel like the phantom is such a repetitive copy paste aircraft at this point.

[@suzybean13]

Just get the ml instead

[@altair3232]

dear lord, still jets? bloody hell, play them more and you will develop yourself "skill issue"

[@Amexel]

hi

[@ggggggghg499]

Play the F-4C

[@AWACSHOUND]

9:35 Average A-5C player

[@desperatetogetsomehoes]

Lucky for this thing that Gaijin's matchmaking is shit