Clemson’s fall from the elite, the Pac-12’s rise & which fanbases should be concerned after Week 1

[@JoelKlattShow]

What are your thoughts on the Pac-12’s rise?

[@joshuagarner1654]

Who have they beaten?

[@southeastdaygo6193]

​@@joshuagarner1654 Who have you beaten in your college career from the couch

[@southeastdaygo6193]

It's interesting in the Pac 12s last season we might get the best football games on the way out! The QBs in the Pac 12 are insane and Cam Rising hasn't even played yet

[@stevemoserify]

Colorado winning at TCU was impressive but I'm not sure one impressive result means an entire conference is on the rise

[@manwithclass09]

Joel - it's one game into the season. Let's calm down. And - did you happen to see the tape on JJ McCarthy and the tight - tight windows he was throwing into... And the massive improvements in his footwork and the way he was always in command of the game? There was never any doubt in the game outcome and therefore JJ was benched the entire 4th quarter! He could have thrown for 400 yards if he had played! And I watched the Colorado game - Sanders looked great - he really did - but the TCU secondary had one blown coverage after another! Receivers were open by 10 to 15 yards! Still love your work Sir - but it is only one game in.......

[@JW-28]

Klatt is the CFB professor.

[@Boogey_Bucknut]

Facts!

[@lt.aldoraine9405]

The best ever !

[@jacobringenwald]

He does have that professor vibe, yeah

[@user-bh2hx5ew1z]

My Man Klatt def breaks down the game 📚

[@JohnRees3]

Klatt can’t even pronounce the worth both, without putting an L in the word…

[@jmoneysniper17]

I have 5 classes this semester:- Intermediate accounting Intro to tax Intro to marketing Managerial economics Intermediate CFB with Joel Klatt Also, mood check on Michigan fan base Joel?

[@akaWillyDawg]

Mood check on us? Lol they won a single game, solidly. There isn’t a lot you can say, good or bad.

[@chizzle5235]

Michigan had a pretty solid win considering they were missing their hc and oc/play caller. Also still determining some starters on o-line, some defensive starters didn’t play due to injury… Michigans biggest question mark right now is maybe kicker/special teams? Give any teams fan base that scenario, and I bet they would be pretty confident.

[@glaciers9393]

Good luck in intermediate 1&2. If you can get through those classes, rest of the degree is a cakewalk

[@Pally-Main]

Mood check on Michigan fanbase is…sleepy. To steal MGoBlog’s quote, we don’t just not play a good team until November, we don’t even play an *interesting* one until then. It’s going to be a lot of anxious waiting and overanalyzing past recent pain points for 2 games that really matter.

[@akaWillyDawg]

@@Pally-Main yeah, I’m just enjoying the east W and cheap tickets.

[@randykulesia4646]

If you fire a head coach AFTER a 10 win season then you deserve to suffer, sorry but it’s true. To go 10-2 or 10-3 in the modern college football landscape is still remarkable and an accomplishment

[@manyhatsentertainment8685]

Yeah UGA is an exception

[@JayBigDadyCy]

It depends. For the very top teams it's tough. You can win 10 games, but if you don't make/win your conference championship and beat your biggest rival, it's considered a bad year. For the average team 10 wins is amazing. For the top 10-12 teams you have to reach that next level year in and year out. Take Ohio State for example. I've talked to many of their fans and they felt like the fact that they didn't beat Michigan, didn't get to the conference championship, and lost in the playoffs, it was not a good year.

[@randykulesia4646]

@@JayBigDadyCy and that’s fair. With success comes added pressure. Or when you’re a storied program like Ohio State who in its entire history has never really had a bad era or bad decade per-say, it’s hard to ever have a “down” year cause the fan base has never experienced that….I just think that if we took the regular season at 12 games and you won 10 out of the 12 then I feel like it would be wrong to fire the coach when he won 98% of the games on that schedule ya know?

[@shahidmufti795]

In my view, Joel Klatt still one of the best college football analysts there is.

[@tigersharkdiver]

Same 100% he is the best in my opinion. Always fair and tells it like it is.

[@davyboy9397]

Josh Pate and Uncle Lou are far better

[@davematerson5309]

I really wish this was the year of the 12 team playoff. seemingly multiple great teams.

[@ld4974]

This year will end up like every year. 2-3 great teams(the season will determine), and none of the others will matter.

[@bryce_atkinson1598]

@@ld4974i rlly think nil is changing that

[@peterrodriguez3609]

​@bryce_atkinson1598 exactly, you know Alabama and Georgia will look dominant, FSU looks great, Michigan and Penn St look like they are gonna have a great season, whoever survives in the Pac 12 will be good and let's not forget ND with the new QB. With just those teams, we will see some really good teams left out.

[@ld4974]

@@bryce_atkinson1598 Actually, you may be right.

[@extremeuzer3]

Bruh we literally just finished 1 week of college ball, can we relax with the playoffs and just enjoy the regular season games we have coming up?

[@kapla2004]

Clemson had a good run. No one is great forever

[@bluelivesmatter719]

True but there are exceptions. See Alabama

[@kapla2004]

@@bluelivesmatter719 while technically true, Bama is never a good/fair reference point 😂

[@shameless1047]

@@bluelivesmatter719lol Alabama was straight trash for 11 years before saban got there… every blueblood has bad decades

[@bluelivesmatter719]

@@shameless1047 Struggled a bit but wouldn’t say straight trash. But Saban has remained consistent for 17 years. Name another that comes close in the modern era.

[@ianburns3358]

​@bluelivesmatter719 Alabama struggled before Nick Saban

[@dashawnthomas9333]

When u see what's happen to Clemson, what happened to Florida you appreciate What Saban has done at Alabama even more. He has been at the top for 15 yrs consistently.

[@svnti1239]

When Joel speaks, I listen

[@JJ-Toreddie]

Agreed, and I don't even watch sports anymore

[@benjaminhamilton1525]

Same BOOMER SOONER!!

[@copeboi7714]

Same! Go Blue!!!

[@benjaminhamilton1525]

@copeboi7714 do your thing big dog I love college football!🫡

[@leewilliams6354]

Why? He’s been wrong about almost everything. Not saying he’s wrong about this but he’s not been right much at all.

[@ThreadAndCircuses1]

Justin Field's deep pass to Chris Olave=Colt McCoy's injury vs Bama. Clemson is about to be 2010s-present Texas, running out of elite QB play. Sad to see.

[@michaeltabor2077]

Um that 2020 Clemson osu game was over at half time in 2019 Clemson loses to OSU 9/10 times that was probally the best team OSU has had this century reffs won that gains. I said this 2 years ago Clemson would drop & will a good team but not a nc contender again! Historically a fringe top 25 team 💯

[@gilbert8162]

@@michaeltabor2077 Your bias hate is showing.

[@gagechavez5473]

@@michaeltabor2077nah what lost Ohio state that game was dobbins getting injured tbh. Let’s not forget etienne made godly plays against that defense led by chase young lol

[@bullgravy6906]

A friend of mine, stout OU fan, gave a similar analysis of OU last year: this is the team (2022) OU has really been for a decade, just had Heisman QBs hiding it

[@TheDudeAbides337]

@@gilbert8162No sir. It’s all facts. 2018 is the last ring. ACC is garbage. Florida State hasn’t done squat, LSU is my team, they are garbage.

[@StanEscobar]

Joel Klatt needs way more airtime. I like this guy alot, and he's absolutely no BS

[@popeyesailorman911]

When Tony Eliot n Brent Venable left is when Clemson's Decline began RIP CLEMSON FOOTBALL ✌✌

[@allenkrentz2505]

I think we should just give Colorado the #1 spot till next year no need to have a College Playoff.....

[@evanlabonte4571]

“College football is a new frontier” aka it’s no longer about getting the degree and playing football in the past time. It is business only as everything else is becoming in America

[@jtbrown51]

Yup. And this is why I'm rapidly falling out of being a fan of college football. Why does everything in America wind up part of the corrupt managerial class? Doesn't it get old after a while?

[@dmdubb3129]

Because ppl were crying for years about them not getting paid, and now that they see the result, they’ve changed their mind

[@KillerBrees]

I haven’t heard any OU fans talking smack over that win. We know all too well.

[@soonerintexas.3845]

Realistic OU fans like myself aren't beating our chests about that win. We've seen this before lol...

[@TherealSlice]

Amen. Won't feel confident in the team until we're undefeated and beat Texas.

[@daviddill5405]

Bob Stoops finished 7 - 5 his first season with first year QB, Josh Huepel. OU lost by 3 in their bowl game. Oklahoma finished 6 - 7 and lost by 3 in the bowl game with first year QB, Dillon Gabriel. Oklahoma will surprise many this season!

[@Tijuanabill]

@@daviddill5405 If we are playing that game, both teams had lefty QBs, both teams beat Ark State...there is a ton of that stuff. But it means nothing unless we get that natty.

[@ballsthatclank]

SMU looked good in their win, not looking past them for a second.

[@simpleysims]

It's not just the QBs in the Pac12. It's the offensive corps for each team. The top 6 or 7 teams are deep at every skill position. It's always been a conference of skill positions. Cuz on the Westcoast, you get all these track athletes and alll they want to do is run in the sun lol. But it's not just the skill positions either. It's the coaching that enhances these offenses. This is a great group of coaches in the Pac12. Probably the best assembled since the Pac12 had Pete Carroll, Jim Harbaugh, Mike Belotti, Jeff Tedford, Rich Neuheisel, Chip Kelly, Dennis Erickson, etc.. now this conference has Lincoln Riley, Dan Lanning, Deion Sanders, Kyle Wittingham, Chip Kelly, Jonathan Smith* and Kalen Deboer*. Look those two names up if you're unfamiliar, that's why I put an asterisk. Those guys have accomplished careers well before being a head coach of their current teams

[@ilikehardplay]

It's going to be interesting when some of these good coaches from good weather, Western & West Coast schools start raiding the Midwest and Central Plains states for recruits and players in the transfer portal.....and can promise that they will be able to be seen by friends and family back home.

[@simpleysims]

@ilikehardplay this will be the recruiting pitch for a team like USC. I can assume Lincoln will say "how about it, you want to play in some good weather?" Can you imagine Jim Harbaugh trying to do the opposite telling a kid from LA, "you want to play in the cold?" Lol

[@ilikehardplay]

@@simpleysims "....telling a kid from LA, "you want to play in the cold?"" Coach Prime would do better with that pitch, by pointing to world-class skiing and snowboarding within easy driving distance...

[@emmanuelcazeau-wagnac9227]

The best in the business is Joel Klatt 💪🏿👌🏿

[@DuecePiece]

What happened with Clemson? They lost their "golden boy" Lawrence, same thing that happened when Tebow left Florida. The team puts too much emphasis on one player without thinking about a future replacement or recruiting properly

[@gagechavez5473]

To be fair there was only maybe two QBs that could replace the type of player Trevor Lawrence was. Caleb Williams and Bryce Young

[@benniewoods9514]

I think Michigan fans and base do that so much . I wonder do coaches do that same ignorant thing . They get caught up on a type . Looking at a athletes skill set and his abilities and motor are my main ingredient's. Especially speed and size. It's cattle 😆🤣😂

[@TheDudeAbides337]

Florida is garbage, so is Clemson. Sorry there is not parody. Georgia looks like the new kid on the block. It’s been Alabama since 2009. They’ve lost a few yes I’m aware, but always 10 win season. I’m not biased. I’m an LSU fan. They are pathetic as well.

[@hectorflores1544]

It just happens. Nothing last forever. If you win 2 national championships during your run you solidify a dynasty. You prove you’re not just a program that got lucky 1 year.

[@theread3480]

Both DJU and Klubnik were 5 star QB's out of highschool.

[@JayBigDadyCy]

That smirk on Joel's face when he says "let's talk about Colorado" 🤣🤣🤣 if they keep winning Joel is going to be insufferable, and I'm completely ok with it. He's alum and deserves to see gis team be great again.

[@randyrizzo_]

Meanwhile, Dj Uiagalelei had the game of his career, albeit against SJSU, but it'll be interesting to see his performance this year not with Clemson. OSU is a very good team.

[@JohnSmith-vy7ck]

Jonathan Smith is a really good coach. Even Oregon fans admit that. He’s just at his Alma so nobody pays attention to him as much as Dabo pays attention to himself.

[@Stevefrenchie]

The OSU offensive line is probably the best line in the country also. A pro-style QB in a pro-style system with a brick wall for an O line will no doubt start to thrive

[@stevenselleck5460]

Ohio State looked awful.. oh wait

[@calebleeson5662]

It’s only week 1 can only get better with time

[@davisjohnson7691]

Yeah, against SJSU. He also has maybe the best o-line in college football. 3 of the captains on that team are offensive linemen. That says all you need to know. They have multiple NFL starters on that line. DJ played great, but he had forever to throw, and his RB’s had holes you could drive an 18 wheeler through

[@darylaboyce]

Big10 is the deepest because USC, UCLA, Washington, and Oregon are now Big10 programs

[@JohnOdermott]

No, they don't become Big10 programs until next summer. We're all talkin' 2023 here.

[@CameraRay]

Clemson has not had a deep threat receivers these last two years. They won't win without another Ross, Williams, Higgins, Hopkins, or Watkins.🐯🐅

[@andrewmueller9986]

Clemson hasn't had elite WRs in 3 years, elite QBs in 2 years, and now they don't have elite DL either.

[@specstreaming6127]

Tee Higgins & Justyn Ross were the last of the really good Clemson receivers. Debo is so arrogant those receivers will go to Georgia, FSU now.

[@johnnywebb2351]

Totally agree with you 👍 💯

[@darthresch952]

No thank you! I’m so glad the season is back. Monday mornings are awesome again! Auditing the numbers for the weekend at work, I have my caffeine, a Belvita breakfast bar, and Joel Klatt’s review of football Saturday! It’s perfect.

[@Jon.A.Scholt]

Clemson is entering their Case McCoy - Jaxson Shipley era, after their Colt McCoy - Jordan Shipley era.

[@robertclark2240]

Perhaps losing Brent Venables was at least a minor factor?

[@Jerahzz]

100%

[@tarekmoustafa2126]

If the PAC-12 performs next game especially Utah and Oregon on the road, This will solidify their position as the hardest conference to win this season.

[@DangeRussAcountability]

I appreciate your unbiased opinion and takes on cDNA! I find myself enjoying your show I’ll subscribe as a thank you

[@thewillofd4417]

So glad college football is back and so glad your weekly recaps/discussions are back!

[@scottscottsdale7868]

Is Clemson 2023 like Michigan 2007? The thing to do is NOT to panic and hire the wrong head coach. Michigan was in the wilderness for a full decade.

[@rdaws73]

13+ years really

[@TheDudeAbides337]

2007 LSU claimed the championship. Nothing matters but rings.

[@chadd3299]

@@TheDudeAbides337you missed the assignment badly

[@rdaws73]

@@chadd3299 100% LOL

[@jamesbradford7888]

Clemsons rise came around the time teams that usually recruit the Carolinas and surrounding states really well fell of the face of the planet (Tennessee being the most prominent one). Now that some of those teams have began to pick up the pieces they’re not able to just pick and choose the talent like they used too at the beginning of the Dabo era.

[@carolinaKing864]

This is a point, that I don’t think some realize. Tennessee and FSU always recruited the Carolinas really well but when Clemson and actually South Carolina during the Spurrier, started coming up it changed everything. Spurrier leaving helped Clemson but now with Tennessee rising again and FSU getting it together, it effects them. Georgia is another one that hurts them. When Brent left, I knew this was all going to happen. He was the real reason for those titles, along with getting two generational talents at quarterbacks consecutively. The quarterbacks isn’t something that anyone has ever done and so that’s like hitting the lottery. They will continue to be good and win the ACC at times but national championships, nope.

[@nhardman]

Three years ago, if I were the #1 recruit and I would be guaranteed to start at any school, I would have went to Clemson. Today, I’d go to Georgia or Bama.

[@jamescampbell9533]

Clemson, like Miami, had a run but they aren’t Ohio State, Michigan, Alabama, USC, or Oklahoma class elite. You have to be close to the top for 50 plus years to be called elite.

[@TT-wu5zq]

Michigan?

[@jamescampbell9533]

@@TT-wu5zq yeah, Michigan. 11 nattys, most all time wins in Div. 1

[@Soonerricardo]

Great point. I would add Notre Dame and Penn State. Those are the 7 Elite blue-blood CFB programs.

[@jeoh93]

Clemson is headed exactly where Texas was headed. As a Texas fan, just my opinion: They need to let Dabo figure it out

[@TheDudeAbides337]

Texas 😂

[@SomeChink]

Dabo’s ego won’t let Dabo figure it out

[@diegoforlan2765]

I’m happy for Joel that Colorado has a respectable program again

[@prairiephan]

Respectable? Hardly.

[@jtbrown51]

Some things are more important than winning at all costs.

[@bryanachey8723]

I think Penn State will actually play to win this year vs Michigan and Ohio State. The last few seasons it seemed like they just wanted to stay in the game.

[@benniewoods9514]

UM utterly dismantle of last year's Penn state was poor QB play . Joel says Dante Moore a freshman is QB notable. Then so is Aller at PSU. So McCarthy, Aller , Taguviola, and I like Wisconsin's QB along with OSU QB' s . But after that , I agree with Klatt.

[@thomasschoolofrealestatell3395]

@@benniewoods9514 Michigan beat PSU last year across the OL and DL. The trenches matter most and Michigan absolutely crushed them

[@absalonpedraza1339]

​@@benniewoods9514I only see Allar, McCarthy and Tagovailoa being worthy. Everyone else are not worthy...

[@benniewoods9514]

@@absalonpedraza1339 yeah I don't disagree, but Klatt threw Dante Moore in the group of pac 12 QB talent as a freshman. So I threw in those Wisconsin and OSU QB's 😆

[@heartbreak25]

PSU was beating OSU for 3.5 quarters. Clifford just imploded. They were up on UM at halftime. Then the trenches imploded.

[@hugeblue]

9/6/23 - Joel .I'm a Clemson Fan & I painfully say 'You are right" about Dabo/ Clemson ! We will see as the year goes on ? Right now we are 0--3 ! Clemson has lost there last 3 Games!

[@1FootballGuy1002]

Joel is one of maybe 3 college football voices I respect. One of the few people that speaks with reasonable logic. Much respect

[@Ermatinger503]

PAC12 is super deep this season and I appreciate Klatt recognizing this and giving credit where credit is due. The PAC12 cannibalizes themselves on a regular basis. They also don’t play a lot of garbage games against FBS schools like the SEC teams do *cough… Alabama*. Do I think any of those teams are going to make the playoff? Probably not, but I do think the top 3 teams in the conference have a shot at beating anyone

[@jacobhayes8324]

People spoke about Dabo eventually returning to Bama and replacing Saban. For awhile I could see it. That is until I realized how stuck in his ways he could be. Saban has shown that you have to adapt to survive time and time again and that is the type coach we will need

[@neneshubby]

Agreed. I told My Wife last night that if Saban retired at the end of the season, I’d be on the phone to Deion Sanders the next day, that guy could sell a pork chop to a vegan.

[@pjpugh2526]

That’s what I’ve been saying to the Bama fans that wanted Dabo. Saran is great because he can adapt, if anything, I’d want Lane Kiffin or Deion Sanders

[@ThreadAndCircuses1]

Deion will be at Florida in 2025. Kiffin will replace Saban.@@neneshubby

[@neneshubby]

@@ThreadAndCircuses1 I doubt it. Kiffin has never proved to be a championship level coach. I respect him but he’s won nothing.

[@senpaiofsavage3072]

​@@pjpugh2526Glad to see someone else believe/say this. I've said ever since Kiffin left Alabama that I wanted him to replace Saban. Looking at what he has done with Ole Miss's limited resources (recruiting clout/NIL, etc). Imagine what Kiffin would do with Alabama's resources. It's scary if you think about it. Deion Sanders would also be able to accomplish this with a little more flair so both would be my first choices to replace the 🐐.

[@raymondespinoza420]

Man those execs at the top of the pac 12 gotta realize how dumb they are for letting those programs go especially Colorado buf good for the farewell season im excited fod this season

[@heartbreak25]

The schools presidents failed the PAC-12 but that's because they don't value athletics unfortunately. The irony is that they don't care about how great this year will be.

[@m.goodwin5735]

I've been thinking the same thing. How would you like to be the guy responsible for the collapse of this conference?

[@raymondespinoza420]

@@m.goodwin5735 they could've helped with a better deal somewhere to get their players more recognition they guy in charge of that failed

[@danielnoliveri4134]

Dabo stuck in his ways and I love it Clemson ain't got the athletes like they once had #GO NOLES

[@lt.aldoraine9405]

Take care of Keon for us - MSU fan 😭😭😭😭

[@danielnoliveri4134]

@@lt.aldoraine9405 we definitely will lol

[@darnellphantom8168]

Klatt the only media speaking facts on cfb

[@sprintstothebathroomdaily2429]

Pac 12 is a great product for tv. My dad isnt a football guy. Dude was glued to the tv for colorado and oregons games

[@JohnOdermott]

Two of the biggest reasons for the death of the Pac12 were 1) far too many viewers did not have access to the Pac12 network 2) most viewers didn't want to stay up way past midnight to watch the games. I agree, many of their games are fun to watch.

[@WITHBEN]

"Adapt or Die" words any business owner can live by

[@christopherrichardson1730]

Joel and Josh Pate are the only two college sports guys that give you reql perspective.

[@stormnegele463]

Josh Pate is delusional

[@leewilliams6354]

@@stormnegele463This show is by far the most inaccurate and that is just the truth. Not just on one or two programs but on several. Anyone can join 247 and read message boards. Then compile your own opinion and be just as accurate or in this case more accurate.

[@richardcuvilly9831]

100%. Everyone else is pure rubbish.

[@jcas98jc]

You forgot Greg McElroy

[@stormnegele463]

@@leewilliams6354 😢🥱🥱🥱

[@haroldwoodson7747]

Joel was spot on. This is coming from a Canes fan.

[@justinkeith1090]

Hands down you are THE best out there joel!

[@alexvanluit3231]

I don't personally believe the Pac-12 has a top 5 team right now, but you can't deny it's the most complete conference right now. Which is nice to see, after basically a decade of being irrelevant.

[@samknobeloch503]

Clemson fell from the elite tier in 2021. Now we have fallen from the ranks of the good.

[@MbTrojansurgeon]

One thing is certain-the PAC definitely has the most elite QB room in the nation…perhaps ever

[@brettlarson6923]

I'd love to hear your analysis of the status of quarterbacks in college football. It sure seems to me that there are twice as many high quality quarterbacks in college than I can remember before. From the immense talent in the PAC 12, to Michigan, Penn State, North Carolina, Florida State, LSU, Duke and many others. It appears that there may be 15 or more 1st round quality QBs in college football right now.

[@mixtapemessiah09]

USC got hammered by the NCAA and had a string of small elite recruiting classes. Depth issues, not failure to adapt. Kessler, Barkley, and Darnold have all been NFL starting QBs

[@Madbootdestruction]

Great stuff Joel #FightOn 🏈💖👍

[@chipsaunders5109]

The Texas-Clemson analogy is amazingly spot on

[@m.goodwin5735]

Fantastic analysis - I could listen all day. Thanks Joel. As a CU fan (I was in the stands when you put up 400+ on CSU in Denver in 2003) I'm particularly interested in Prime's effect on the sport. It's stunning how one guy can have such a profound impact on an entire sport in such a short period of time - the earth is shifting beneath our very feet. It should be a wild ride for the next few years - he's disrupting EVERYTHING. Keep up the great work.

[@lt.aldoraine9405]

I really can’t think of anyone who could have done this turnaround in a shorter amount of time than Deion. The recruiting for Colorado will definitely sky rocket.

[@wesleyowens4089]

So we're going to act like Lincoln Riley didn't do the pretty much the same thing last year. Or even mel Tucker a year before at Michigan State

[@prairiephan]

CU football is garbage. Always will be.

[@m.goodwin5735]

@@wesleyowens4089 Neither USC nor Michigan State were as far down in the depths of despair as CU. Riley brought an already good program up a couple of notches and Tucker got lucky with Kenneth Walker III. Neither situation compares to the rise from the ashes that CU has seen (so far).

[@robertsscott8249]

Clemson losing Brent Venables as Defensive Coach was huge. I like Dabo, but Venables was a huge part of Clemson’s success. “Defense wins championships”

[@christhompson3498]

Joel klatt & Rico knows the cfb duo we never knew we needed!!

[@Aminah6623]

Joel, you don't need to tell the Buffs to be prepared. They can't even wear red in the building.

[@heartbreak25]

PSU adapted. Paterno is forced out in 2011, severe sanctions in 2012, and win the B1G by 2016. Everyone thought it'd take 10 years to recover. It took less than 5.

[@Ferretbomber]

I'm a big Washington fan, graduated there but also went to CU a few years in the late '80s, so I agree that Pac12 is the deepest conference and has the best QB depth, but if I'm looking at the SEC I'd have to give it up for KJ Jefferson at Arkansas. That guy is a beast. Arkansas kicked a can around this week - like many big programs do - but their QB/RB duo is a problem. I think he may be the best QB in the SEC. If they had an OL or a couple dangerous receivers they'd be in business.

[@brianmack484]

After watching the first qtr of the Clemson game and was so confused why they didn’t run the ball way more!!

[@markprice5651]

Clemson had a great run of truly elite QBs...but after Trevor Lawrence, they have had less than average college QBs trying to run the offense. I am surprised with their success over the last 5-8 years that they haven't been able to recruit a really good one...but such is the way of college football these days.

[@davisjohnson7691]

DJ wasn’t bad. He’s clearly better then who they have now. They shouldn’t of run him off

[@theechoproject899]

can't win at an elite level anymore without good receivers. Just ask Alabama and Clemson, who went from championship front runners to barely surviving games they would usually crush people. Washington went through that same phase recently where they had a great defense, but receivers that dropped the ball like it was a hot potato.

[@markprice5651]

@@theechoproject899 Incorrect. UGA has won the last 2 Championships, and off of their 2022 and 2023 teams only 1 WR was drafted into the NFL (George Pickens 2022). WR's can be important, however having a top QB is what really matters.

[@peady64]

It's amazing after one loss, the season is over. I'll wait until at least mid-season before I make a conclusion on Clemson. These same "experts" claimed Colorado would be hammered by TCU...

[@robertcammon5969]

I'm glad DJ got out of there. Clemson was blaming DJ, instead of acknowledging that they didn't have the same talent. Trevor and Watson were talented and made up for the lack of coaching needed. DABO was feeling himself and never went out and got a legitimate QB developer or dynamic play caller. Can't live off of high schoolers when you are competing against transfers. Would you take DJ with a Sean Lewis as his coach? Shedur and Sean Lewis is probably the best combination outside of Lincoln and Caleb Williams.

[@Saberwolves84]

Coaches did not make DJ overthrow receivers or make bad reads

[@robertcammon5969]

@Matt101984 But they didn't develop his throws. He had a strong arm, but that was it. Coaching Qbs up means when QBs come in, they actually learn something. Not everyone can develop QBs. DJ never improved on reads and being able to make all the throws that QB need to. Is that a coaching thing??? Some coaches can do it, and some coaches can't. Again, most weak coaches blame the players.

[@JohnOdermott]

@@Saberwolves84 If the coaches didn't teach him how to make correct reads, then wasn't it the coaches fault?

[@Saberwolves84]

@@JohnOdermott by college you should be able to make reads so many excuses for him

[@ChadRFoltz]

To question his point about USC's schedule. Here are a few teams who play Power Five teams for their last nine games of the year. OSU Iowa Purdue...and then I quit looking because about half the teams I looked at played Power Five teams for their last 8 games. It's just kind of a silly point. The Pac-12 will eat itself out of the playoff, but that's only because most of the teams are bowl worthy. And there's several other teams with insanely difficult schedules, namely Arkansas and Florida, who I wanted to put on this list so badly.

[@mxl_reps_951]

Pac 12 has been deepest for many years everybody just now noticing it

[@Tijuanabill]

Clemson after Brent Venables is what Clemson was before Brent Venables. Point me to the big mystery. Why isn't this what was expected to happen?

[@smokey689]

Joel use to be my favorite!! He has let his emotions cloud his judgment.

[@kennethshaw626]

How about Jefferson of Arkansas ? He reminds me of Cam Newton? He is hard to tackle.

[@chalmermcwilliams6416]

Put this man on college game day!!

[@thomasnew8606]

College Game Day sucks. Keep Joel at Fox

[@pavelstrelchuk216]

Clemson isn’t recruiting as well because everyone else can pay players too, not just them and Alabama

[@academyofchampions1]

Joel Klatt is a BEAST!!!

[@prairiephan]

Because he talks?

[@academyofchampions1]

@@prairiephan he talks, you squawk

[@kingtide1947]

I think Dabo messed up when he showed fear for Ohio St. by ranking them out of the playoffs. His interviews after that, I felt the players saw his fear

[@pcgod8256]

When it comes to Clemson it is a lack of using the transfer portal

[@nealerickson8063]

Joel I really enjoy your show. I think your adapt or die point is huge!!! I'm gonna add something else. INNOVATION. "We gotta get better" or "We're gonna out work everybody else!" Those two montra's are so tired and worn out. Get better? You think the other teams are getting worse???? Most are getting better as well. Outwork? You think the other teams are sleeping all week before Sat game? Those two mantras will get you 6-6. Not doing those two gets you 0-12. No, coaches and leaders need to focus on one thing. HOW can we SCORE TD's ON EVERY POSSESION and HOW can defense and special teams score touchsdowns as well. INNOVATION is the key. This needs to he a coaches driving thoughts. Getting better and working harder are good tactics to get u 6-6. But SCORING MORE POINTS then the other team is what will get you 15-0. Waiting for the next innovative mind in college fball to move the game forward out of this exhausting cycle of getting better and working harder. Stop competing, start innovating, then start dominating....🎉

[@jaybell636]

"Evolve and adapt or die." That's true for any business. Ask Borders, Blockbuster, Sears, etc.

[@mr.davidenglish7563]

"All the sudden..." Dude is killing me with this. Chalk on blackboard.

[@benkenobi6582]

When Tennessee, UNC, South Carolina started recruiting better and Dabo refused to use the portal it was over

[@bradyengland8367]

Just my opinion but ive been saying Dabo is an overrated coach for years. He had Deshaun and Lawrence back to back and hasnt done much before or after those 2

[@TheFilmSpace1]

Colt McCoy was the man at Texas he’s was that good

[@jackpackage4278]

Dabo has no one to blame but Dabo. I actually hate Clemson but it still makes me a little sad anytime a powerhouse program nosedives.

[@thesmoothxperience]

The transfer portal can make an average team great( Colorado) and Clemson has been put on notice.

[@Necile2]

Clemson wasn't elite last year, but all you experts thought that somehow miraculously changed in the offseason.

[@jonronyak]

I'm fearful Ohio State is going down. However, its recruiting classes are still ranked in the top 5, if not, in the top 10. Ryan Day needs a new O Line coach 'cause the running game is not playing well. It shows when OSU is trying to score from the 5 yard line or closer.

[@Jerahzz]

If you think tOSU is “going down” because they had an ugly game against Indiana? 😂 You’re a delusional spoiled fan. You sound like an Oklahoma fan

[@calebleeson5662]

OSU might have an off year and not make the playoffs this year but theyer not in decline. It’s not like they lost to Duke or somethin

[@bentankersley2988]

Unfortunately, Clemson had multiple problems (speaking as a fan). 1. Dabo refuses to adapt like Klatt is saying. This definitely hurts because of the lack of talent and desire that would have come to Clemson. 2. Dabo said he made the DC and OC hire 15 minutes after the old coaches left. He hired in house and didn’t even seek to hire outside. That was a MISTAKE! Wes Goodwin is an unproven and frankly, awful, defensive coordinator. His schemes are ineffective. The offense is predictable. Swing pass swing pass swing pass, run run run run, swing pass. Clemon’s only playmaker is Will Shipley. The OC of 2018, Jeff Scott, knew how to call the plays. 3. Lack of Diversity! No, not the PC kind. Diversity with talent. No focus on downfield movement. They have Jake Brenningstool and Antonio Williams. They should be able to move the ball downfield more than spreading it out wide. Diversify your play calling!

[@rkaylor5769]

You’re my go-to on CFB. Great podcasts, JK.

[@Becauseimme]

Clemson shouldn’t have let DJ walk.

[@bzsoonerfan91]

Deion wins one game, he's the best? Dabo loses a few over a few years, all of a sudden he's done? Make it make sense!

[@macjames12]

Completely disagree on some of your Clemson points. Would love to talk about it sometime. Love the show. Cheers.

[@treystevenson9872]

I don’t see Colorado losing their first home game this season.

[@waltsears]

The development model isn’t gone. You still need it, but its not the only thing.

[@UncleRicoOSU]

Clemson is #5 on the 247 talent composite. Klubnik was the #1 QB in his class. DJ was #2. Lack of talent isn’t the issue. I’d look more to coaching and development.

[@vpoftoiletpapersales1202]

They don’t have any receivers.

[@michaelzinn1169]

New clock rules have been great for the sport! Anybody that things otherwise doesn't know anything about football. No more endless games that drag on for 4+ hrs so both teams are dead by the 4th quarter and the team with more depth has a massive unfair advantage. It's football again! Every play matters! Now fix the replay system.

[@OPGALAXY9999]

The average game length didn't change. They replace plays with commercials. Google it.

[@okrajoe]

I'm a Bama fan, but I wouldn't count Dabo out so soon.

[@jadarienfuller887]

Anytime you get blown our by duke it's over

[@nickvoelker7180]

Clemson looked a lot better with Brent Venables on staff. He left, and Clemson doesn't look like Clemson. Maybe it wasn't Dabo actually leading Clemson to success.

[@darnellrtr252]

Drake maye should go before Caleb Williams in the draft. IMO

[@samwagner9486]

As a clemson fan I’ll be the first to admit he’s not wrong

[@stedman8778]

The time to panic at LSU was when they hired Brian Kelly. 🤷🏾‍♂️