Can You Come Back From Losing a Battle??! Mac Lethal - "Tom MacDonald Is a Nazi (2024 diss)"

[@MacLethal]

Don’t type Emily Willis into your search bar! 😂

[@CliffBeatsOfficial]

Man I didn’t know… then I knew 😂

[@greenbay123100]

the goat in the house

[@idkhonesty-78]

as a kdot fanboy hardcore fan seeing tom compere himself to kdot nearly made me die of laughter. this dude tom ain’t even in the top 1 million rappers of all time 😂.

[@mikeb5067]

Stop typing packman, Rachael maddow and the view into yours

[@crook8468]

@maclethal this🤘 was needed

[@MatthewLFarris]

Just for reference - Mac came from the scribble jam era. If they legit battled in a KOTD type setting, Tom is done for. Macs got underground accolades far past KZbin. I ain’t even listen to dude much since probably 09 but history can’t be erased

[@LVANMUSIC]

💯 truth.

[@cadeezell]

Tom already beat Mac Lethal like 4 years ago

[@MatthewLFarris]

@@cadeezell Yes, but that’s not Mac at his best, and it was a written track battle. Face to face, off the top with improvisation and memorization is a completely different beast. That’s why Canibus got shredded when he stepped into the ring

[@SLAKING717]

And was very good at battle raps, 2003 scribble jam winner and was in the finals another two times he'll smoke Tom in a regular rap battle

[@cadeezell]

@@MatthewLFarris right. Still lost a diss battle he started with a sneak twitter diss he tried to backtrack when called out for it 4 years ago. Then comes out of the aether with a "Toms a Nazi" diss and losing again. Don't care how good his freestyle battle rap off the top of the head is, this is a diss battle. The actual beast he keeps starting, and losing.

[@destinbourgeois632]

Have you looked at Tom MacDonalds comment section. It is all "i hate rap but i love toms music 🥹"

[@AndyDavidson-tg4un]

I'm so gunna troll that comment section!

[@danig2029]

You're not wrong.

[@TabbyWithMittens]

Oh yeah and they always bring up their ages or what they do in it XD

[@skeletonmandiecastcollector]

I’m 120 years old man and I only listen to country music but I’m a huge Tom Macdonald fan and his music sounds good. 😂 lol I’m just going based off what kind of comments I’ve seen in the section from his music videos when it comes to Gen x and boomers in the comments and I’m a fan of Tom and Mac. So many bots in the comments or are they ????🤔🤷🧐?

[@potatosordfighter666]

I say this unironically, Tom MacDonald is my dads favourite rapper. My dad just turned 60.

[@justinguy73]

The diss to Mac Lethal in God Mode is this bar - “The last time I battled the man that I trampled lost his career and then had a divorce That wasn't fair, homie got torched, I feel the weight, like I'm carryin' around a corpse”

[@eazy2hate]

He knows now!!! At least 100 people already explained this before you even commented 😂😂😂 you could have saved time if u would have just read comments for u wasted time 😂😂😂

[@hisbean]

HOW is that a "diss"? It's expressing REGRET for what took place, and what happened to Mac because of it.

[@mindsgaming9856]

He trampled Tom so much the dude dissed him, tapping on shoulders and running like a poser 😅💀

[@dominic150]

@@mindsgaming9856keep telling yourself that 😂

[@lividreview8106]

A corpse that is still selling show tickets. Where’s Tom’s tour list? Lmao😂

[@thetalantonx]

19:55 - And Mac Lethal *did* tour with Swifty McVay of D12 down in Australia.

[@DarrylSmith1968]

D12 disbanded is 2018 , six years ago what has Mac done sense then ?

[@jasonrichardson1999]

​@@DarrylSmith1968he's flipping houses and him and his wife didn't get divorced so

[@parker12c]

@@jasonrichardson1999 You mean smoking crack and doing corny YT stuff

[@ethanatk]

God Mode: “I remember back when I was the only political rapper, what the hell happened? All the sudden, everyone who never gave a damn got political and started rappin' *Tragic, I should be flattered, man, I created the genre they practically jackin'* ”

[@TheCynicalAutist]

I always interpreted that line to mean more that he was political in a way that wasn't "mainstream" or common for the genre. You certainly didn't get a lot of right wing rap before people like Tom started releasing songs. On it's own that is indeed quite dismissive, though.

[@reno_flow]

In case you didn’t know, ctrl+f lets you search for words/phrases on the page. Could be useful for scenarios like when you were searching through the lyrics for god mode since you seemed to remember some of the words from the line.

[@realunrealmike]

All I was thinking when he was scrolling around 😂

[@CliffBeatsOfficial]

Thank you!!

[@weebotaku9200]

​@@CliffBeatsOfficialremember kids. Thorn stars always handle and get pricked. 😅

[@nickpoly48]

if your on mac computer it’s command+f

[@DS87878]

“Research! … I have Emily Willis in my search bar, that’s great…” 😂😂😂

[@scythe4277]

“the last dude I battled got a divorce, homie got torched, I feel the weight like I’m carrying around a corpse” that’s paraphrased, but basically those were the lines that dissed Mac

[@Chris12987]

I didn’t see your comment. Yeah that’s what a was thinking too

[@ShaneP32960]

Tom it shit only racists listens too

[@richardchastain9332]

Sure triggered dave right?

[@ElementalTJ]

Feels the weight like he feels bad about it, eh?

[@pricemitchell-o3m]

That wasn’t a diss. Lmfao

[@RideTheSkies]

better than any diss put out so far by both of these mid rappers. he's spittin with the "I don't normally listen to rap" bars. when I peep a Tom video, I always see those

[@buckeyefangirl]

Rap fans like him also. Hater

[@SunflowerNik]

​@buckeyefangirl ehhh more like rap fans who do reaction videos on KZbin.I have never heard a Tom Mcdonald song in real life lol

[@jameswright172]

They both bring something different to the table, fam. I'm a fan of both. And you're killing these reactions bro,and I respect what you deliver day in and day out

[@spikethefoxdragon941]

The diss is for the career ended and lost marriage line in God Mode, even tho Macs career and marriage never ended from being dissed or even ended at all.

[@elcutie1410]

"I probably ran across her name on Instagram" boi dont lie we all guilty of it 😂😂😂

[@seanshanahan7142]

Personally as a 90’s rap fan I don’t know either artist but for my first listen to Mac Lethal I liked it. I’d like to see a response and hear more.

[@Theautisticfoxx]

-Here ya go Cliff: "But I don’t care who’s coming at me I swore that I wouldn’t do disses no more The last time I battled the man that I trampled lost his career and then had a divorce That wasn’t fair, homie got torched I feel the weight like I’m carrying around a corpse" I believe this was the line you were talking about lol-

[@robingames2002]

Tom McDonald really looking like Stan

[@thomaswillis357]

Any bets on how soon Mac lethal will be dropping his album?

[@S.A.M.O.]

Mac Lethal don't drop album. He imitates other rappers and thinks that's the move.

[@mcfardu20]

You act as if he wasn't mentioned in God Mode?

[@The1SSGrant]

⁠@@mcfardu20no… none of us are. It just wasn’t a diss. It’s common for artists to call out Tom before dropping something because their videos get clicks when they say his name… this is also mentioned in God Mode and other songs Tom has done. That’s what the commenter is referencing. Also, because Mac sounds like he wants attention.

[@thomaswillis357]

@@The1SSGrant could not have said it better myself.

[@Todrick451]

@@mcfardu20 he was referenced... not mentioned.

[@davidcoffman5990]

Hey Cliff the line you are looking for is "The last time I battled the man that I trampled lost his career and then had a divorce That wasn't fair, homie got torched, I feel the weight, like I'm carryin' around a corpse"

[@decryptorknight]

The diss was the verse in Godmode where Tom said something about "the last guy I battled I ruined his career and made him get a divorce" etc (Not much of a diss when it comes to rap but the history between the two and it being not true it what inflamed this whole thing). Lethal took this as a sneak diss because Tom was using this as an excuse not to have to battle another rappers and it's not true. Lethal didn't get divorced he's still with his wife and doing fine and was doing the family thing and his own thing, and the original battle ended with Tom winning but Lethal and friends "claims there was going to be a rebuttal but he just wasn't passionate about the beef at the time and decided to let it go". Then the two of them worked it out and became friends until Godmode came out and Tom unfollowed Lethal on IG and he took that as a backstabbing sneak diss to him.

[@Phanzkd]

don't sleep on Mac Lethal, he is a tested battle rapper. I remember the scribble jam days, apparently not all do.

[@sherylmccollum895]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@pyroishere]

I hadn't liked Mac Lethal for years, but, it was a good diss track....Great reaction Cliff!

[@scythe4277]

he did it because Tom referenced their battle in the song God mode….. duh

[@The1SSGrant]

Referenced and dissed are different things. This was an overblown response and definitely sounds like Mac wants beef again

[@austins9950]

@@The1SSGranti think it’s fair cause tom mentioned mac’s divorce like he had something to do with that. which is fucked. if he had just referenced the battle alone idt mac would have any reason to say anything

[@alanlacosse8850]

​@@The1SSGrantno its called a sneak diss. Gonna say he doesn't want beef anymore then diss in a fake empathetic passive aggressive way and take credit for a divorce. Anyone with common sense saw that for what it really was

[@ronaldlogan9682]

Way to grasp at straws😂

[@MansterBear]

@@austins9950it’s sounds to me like Mac has been thinking, writing, and rewriting this for years and finally found a shred of a reason to put it out. This is better than his first, and he’s got some facts, but it just seems likes he’s been fuming, building it up for years, and the smallest thing happens and he just explodes.

[@S.A.M.O.]

No one has heard anything from Mac Lethal in a long time bro...not just you.

[@jimmylarge1148]

He was just on tour and also he still married.

[@Carmine3125377jr]

Yeah that part. Wtf dude tom said he wasn't gonna do more diss tracks because the last guy lost his career now he comes back swinging three years later

[@ShaneP32960]

Tom it shit only racists listens too

[@seangotti3]

​@@Carmine3125377jrso?

[@chrissargent2721]

​@@Carmine3125377jr 3 years later he's irrelevant

[@ragthorn6757]

Don't let this distract you from the leaked ll cool j and Em song. Goes fucking haaaaard

[@DR-ge8hp]

where it atttttttttttt

[@SuperDman51]

That track is fire!! Wonder if LL is about to drop a new album.

[@michaelsaylor4903]

​@@DR-ge8hp all over the internet. Google is ur best friend

[@AdhdBpdPtsstism]

Stop promoting leaks. Did none of you see the documentary?

[@michaelsaylor4903]

@BKeen1683 nobody cares. They should put their songs in a more safe place then

[@Lightwalker71]

Really sounds like Mac Lethal has something coming out, I mean he dropped so many names that he could fill a Phone book. and then he made sure he sent a copy of his diss to every person that does "rap responses".

[@jdyzy]

This is better than Tom's last diss in my opinion by a lot. Tom has better production for sure. I can see why this triggered Mac. You talk about a man you squashed it with in DM's and and then bring him up as a carcass on your track and you just warmed the paddles and revived that beef. I don't think Tom will respond.

[@solarblitz4524]

The Tom fan boys are out in numbers lmao

[@MarvRoberts]

'The last time I battled, the man that I trampled lost his career and then had a divorce. It wasn't fair. Homie got torched. I feel the weight like I'm carrying around a corpse.'

[@MrColoskyj]

Anybody who thinks this isn't a diss is a goofball

[@Jonathan2342]

Maybe God mode line “the man that I trampled lost his career and had a divorce”? Only thing I can think of.

[@kingxdatruth0998]

Same that’s the thing tho.. I don’t really find that a diss towards him? It’s more like their beef had bigger problems outside of their music

[@jessebailey5962]

​@@kingxdatruth0998or you would look for an excuse for anyone you follow because you're a joke of a person. You base you're whole identity around a white Canadian rapper.

[@jessebailey5962]

​@@kingxdatruth0998your mom was xan ho.

[@sunshynff]

​@@kingxdatruth0998 .... Maybe not a diss, but it's pretty arrogant of Tom to assume their beef was what caused Mac's divorce or stepping away from putting music out on YT, from what I understand he made a nice chunk of money, and never quit doing live gigs here n there, was just tired of the game and YT. So for Tom to say he ruined his career and marriage in Rap God, and as an excuse not to respond to Church, means it's either a diss, or he knows he's lying, either way it deserved to be addressed by Mac, 1 year, 5 years or 20 years later, don't matter to me.

[@hisbean]

@@sunshynff After the last time, it took Mac a month or so, to give a final response. Tom NEVER said he was the WHOLE reason for Macs marital issues. He just felt like the things he said, ADDED to the issues. Also, Tom said AFTER THE MAC BATTLE, YEARS AGO, that he would NEVER do it again. To think it's because he's afraid of lyin Ryan, is pretty damn arrogant. Tom has been minding his own business, doing his own thing, NOT bringing up drama, yet all these other men, can't stop thinking about him. and Nova. Their jealousy is embarrassing.

[@basementmadetapes]

If u can’t see how Tom McDonald disrespects hip hop history u not paying attention

[@basementmadetapes]

@ghostkicker54 he says in godmode that he remembers when he was the only political rapper. That is some basic, basic ignorance. Like, hip hop has always been about recognizing those who came before. Hip hop has always had political rappers. From the first fucking song, my dude. How the hell he miss all the rappers before him that were and still are putting out political music? That’s one. Two. He does that song race war. He droppin n-bombs. That was stupid af. Like, for a guy already tagged for cultural appropriation, who is performing traditionally and primarily black art, he is a guest in the house, and probably unwanted. But dropping racial slurs is corny af and disrespects the place he occupies in hip hop. It is ignorant and racist and promotes that kind of ignorance among his fan base. 3. He has zero authenticity. It’s all kayfabe w this dude. Fake American saying shit he don’t believe in cuz he know he can hustle to an ignorant and predominantly white audience. This is vanilla ice all over again. Vanilla Ice was bounced out of hip hop cuz he was a fraud and didn’t know how move as a white person in the cultural. The only difference is, Tom McDonald has the internet and social media to bypass authenticity checks 4 that song white boy profoundly misrepresents or misunderstands racism and it is laughable that he would compare his piddly experience to ppl who gone thru and go thru some real shit. It’s wild af for him to use rap to complain about some mid level white stress at most in a context of racism. More ignorance, more disrespect

[@WilliamMatthews-yu1hf]

Yea bruh let’s hear it I’m genuinely curious

[@basementmadetapes]

@@WilliamMatthews-yu1hf Tom McDonald claiming he the first political rapper? That’s ignorant af. Meaning he ain’t schooled. Hip hop has always been about paying up respects to those who came before. He don’t do that. Ffs, hip hop’s origins ARE political. It was politics that took music classes out of the inner cities. It was politics that killed art in schools, that didn’t replace instruments. And school was the primary source of exposure to the tools of music. But that lack created space for innovations. They made their own music despite what the powers that be said and did. That’s one 2. Hip hop is steeped in black culture, liberationism and black empowerment. That doesn’t mean u have to be black to participate of course, because hip hop is about skill. But rapping his dog-whistling white supremacy bs is why none of the legends care to f*ck w him if they even know his name.

[@WilliamMatthews-yu1hf]

@@basementmadetapes The initial curiosity was about your reasoning on how he disrespected hip hop history and your response was due to his being the first political rapper claim with a shorter seemingly less motivated paragraph on his views on the “Straight White Male” and the prejudice within todays society? The first one I can see your reasoning for feeling some disrespect. I’ll admit I’m a fan of Tom but that truly was ignorant of him to say. One could also say he did it…disrespectfully on purpose? Push some people’s buttons? Most likely yes and yes I can agree on your first explanation however your second one is complete bull and incredibly ignorant on your part bringing race into a frickin music related argument. Seriously dude? He’s never claimed to be a white supremacist to begin with and you just flip flopped your point by saying it’s steeped in black culture but you don’t have to be black to participate it’s about skill? He skillfully raps about his demographic and how it’s vainly perceived in society. Sorry can’t see the disrespect from him there but I do see some somewhere.

[@basementmadetapes]

@@WilliamMatthews-yu1hf he doesn’t have to claim that. White supremacy is not about his identity nor his claims at all. Most white supremacists would claim to be such. He might not actively think in terms of basic racial hatred, but he espouses ideas sympatico w white supremacy. He caters to white fears. He’s a reactionary. There’s a reason why white conservatives love this dude and it ain’t about the bars just. It’s about his justifications, his list of complaints And u must be so far removed yourself from the music to think that the cultures all forms of music are rendered irrelevant or are somehow inappropriate to address. Tom MacDonald’s whole schtick is being that white dude. Of course me bringing it up is relevant. U talk about demographic like it’s some aspect of the music irrespective of politic or meaning. Demographics are a means of understanding who to sell to, it’s a market term. His market is white conservatives complaining about their lot in life and acting like they don’t know how any of it happened. Now maybe that’s an uncharitable view of them and him but how many of the “I’m a thousand and I hate rap but I love Tom” also come from that camp? Ultimately hip hop is about skill. But u can miss me when u try make it source-less or like it’s history isn’t part of its DNA. Eminem understands that. For Tom, who seems to be a bit obsessed w Em, it seems he missed the biggest part of it too

[@chriscrowarts4886]

He heard Tom Macdonald say that he will never diss again and saw an opportunity to attack him with no backlash

[@luckisalady1]

YUP. He tempted him so would love to see another slam dunk!!!! Do you really think Tom wasn't trollin'? LOL

[@4gave1]

Exactly...pathetic when you think about it.

[@yeetskeet691]

@@4gave1 claims he won't diss again and yet throws a sneak diss at Mac. /shrug

[@4gave1]

@@yeetskeet691 that wasn't a diss.

[@yeetskeet691]

@@4gave1 talking about someone's personal life on a song is pretty disrespectful. But you can justify it however you want to ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@MansterBear]

Last time he took the high road? Mac lied and said Tom dissed his daughter when Tom didn’t, then Mac started talking about Nova being and all that. And surprise… Mac is going with the SJW insults. “Oh youre racist! Nazi!” I think even the wokists are done with the “everyone I don’t like is a nazi”. This song just comes off as the inevitable explosion of pent up anger off Tom killing him in their first beef. He was right about the political rap. Obviously Tom didn’t create the genre. But the rest of it just seems like he’s been fuming for years and now is just lashing out. If it was only about the God Mode line, this is way overkill. It’s 99% about the original smacking he got, and after 5 years of writing and rewriting this + Tom saying he’s not dissing anymore, he finally found a shred of a reason to throw his tantrum.

[@steveseiler478]

I think he meant he went the funny route and didn't go super personal! Just my thoughts tho

[@Nazyairsengikar]

Actually yes tom really did the other guys did culture rap.

[@Nazyairsengikar]

​@@steveseiler478Mac was way personal.

[@Modifiedtaco]

Cope harder little guy, your buddy Tom got destroyed by logic.

[@kimbrown1352]

Yea calling a dude a nazi tp pander to woke folk or cuz you up in ue feels...sure call that logic. Tom wont respond for same reason em rarely responds. Too big, too busy and doesn't wanna give the attention. Ignoring mac is the worst diss possible. Same with upchurch..how did it go for him??

[@abadazadytgaming7200]

Its called acknowledgement, tom never acknowledges the political rappers before him.

[@rbonnifet]

Because he doesn’t care about hiphop like that.

[@lochnessspeedwerkz6557]

​@@rbonnifet exactly why hip hop doesnt gaf about him.

[@hisbean]

@@lochnessspeedwerkz6557 And he doesn't give a shit if they do. Tom has NEVER said that NO ONE has done political rap before. However, name ANYONE *at least in recent time* that is as well known, for doing political rap. Not just a few songs, here or there, eitherl

[@jessicarichter6436]

@@hisbeanstop speaking on his behalf your making him look worse. If Tom doesn’t gaf about hiphop culture he shouldn’t be in it.

[@Clawed9]

@@jessicarichter6436 this guy is clearly Tom's fan. He posted the same silly rebuttal in other comments here. "Tom has NEVER said" oh, he implied. It can be inferred from the lyrics. He heavily hinted at it. He wrote bars that conveyed this meaning between the lines. But he never said it explicitly.

[@MansterBear]

This is like you embarrassed your cousin at a family event and then 5 years later he shows up to Christmas and blows up your car 😂

[@jtramelli5464]

well, tries to blow up your car but doesn't know how to so he just stand there and yells at the car "come on blow up...."

[@MistrialTrump]

It's a shit diss of nothing ness

[@sunshynff]

No this like your punk little cousin ran his mouth and insulted you at family event 5yrs ago, but because of his age and outta respect for the family matriarch, Grandmamma Mae, and her home, you gave him a pass and went on about your life. Then your little cousin for the next 5yrs keeps puttin your name in his mouth, and misunderstanding your kindness as him getting one over on ya, and you finally had enough. Facts don't care about yo feelings, sorry.

[@sunshynff]

@@MistrialTrump 😂🤣😂 Oh how the people will bathe in flow of HOG tears today, not even a couple comments in and the weak excuses and back peddling have already started, this is like Christmas in June!!!

[@317Beastmode]

​@@MistrialTrumpthis is a shit diss? This was VERY disrespectful 😂😂😂

[@NotJustAhouse]

I started watching you when you did the Mac lethal reaction and I did not know your channel just started so I've been watching you since the beginning

[@aaronmascarenas9668]

The song was dropped like a month ago and it took that long for Mac to say the same shit he said 5 years ago............. must be tight for money.......

[@hisbean]

2 months ago actually. Just makes it worse.

[@sharper68]

Making money while spitting bars is what these guys do .

[@DrunkinMonkey]

Tom brought up in God Mode and said he ended his career and then mentioned his divorce.

[@chriscrowarts4886]

He also said he won’t diss again so max lethal saw this as a way of no backlash,

[@alanlacosse8850]

​@@chriscrowarts4886actually Tom saw that as no backlash. I don't want beef anymore but let me diss you in a fake empathetic passive aggressive way on the way out

[@JLCra87]

He said 2 words about him and didn't even mention him by name lol. Mac Lethal is pretty freaking sensitive.

[@chriscrowarts4886]

@@alanlacosse8850 bro a diss is being disrespectful attacking someone in a track, he states a factual statement there’s a difference between statements and dissed buddy, go educate yourself and return

[@chriscrowarts4886]

@@JLCra87 facts, and apparently facts are disses now fucking goofy ,

[@slimblitz56]

I don’t know if the personal stuff is true. But that Tom guy is trash on the mic. Idk one song in which he shows real skill.

[@matthewpshostak]

ill help you there - 'sorry'

[@slimblitz56]

@@matthewpshostak thank you for giving me a song. I’ll check it out

[@jtramelli5464]

@@slimblitz56 then you have never listened to to him at all, the dude is very skilled, great flow, rhyme schemes, including multi symbol Rhyming, double and triple entendre.... you might not like what he raps about, but to say he lacks skill is just stupid

[@jtramelli5464]

@@matthewpshostak this house, no response

[@slimblitz56]

@@jtramelli5464 name a song in which he’s exhibiting these skills? All I’ve ever heard was the same flow with those same hooks. I never hear a real hip hop beats. Has he flowed on a boom bap?

[@christianwalters1013]

This is what Mac Lethal was referring to "The last time I battled the man that I trampled lost his career and then had a divorce That wasn't fair, homie got torched, I feel the weight, like I'm carryin' around a corpse Still no deals, still no team, still just little old me Still makin' fun of the whole industry, still rap on my own beats"

[@hisbean]

Yes explaining WHY he won't do individual disses, and expressing regret for the last time he did.

[@christianwalters1013]

@@hisbean exactly, it wasn’t a direct diss towards Mac Lethal. It just took him 5 years to respond. Yes he had some nice jabs and bars but at the end of the day Mac Lethal lost his reputation and viewers 5 years ago. Then he thinks that this quote is in reference to dissing him.

[@trollsoficoverwindung1945]

The part that Macs says about Mc D. creating a genre; "I remember back when I was the only political rapper What the hell happened? All the sudden everyone who never gave a damn Got political and started rappin' Tragic, I should be flattered, man I created the genre they practically jackin' " And the part that Macs talks about Mc D. talking about his battles with him and his divorce; "The last time I battled the man that I trampled Lost his career and then had a divorce That wasn't fair, homie got torched I feel the weight like I'm carryin' around a corpse"

[@damadhattahttv]

he wasnt insinuating he created it he was the only political rapper of this generation until he blew up then more people followed. never did he say he created political rap.

[@basedplants]

@@damadhattahttv "[Tom] was the only political rapper of this generation" Jesus, I knew Tom MacDonald fans were trash people, I didn't realize they were this ignorant. Run the Jewels, done in one.

[@GoldenAK42089]

The Kendrick vs drake beef was back n forth at first and still ongoing, but Kendrick/ drake beef gonna progress in the future.. I’m not gonna interrupt either sides information on each other for the 2nd round

[@jearrellyates5612]

I honestly believe that the only reason MacLethal did this is because Tom said that he wouldn’t diss anyone again. So MacLethal figured he’d get the last word in.

[@alvatrous]

Or because toms fans are insufferable garbage and harass him any time his name comes up. Lowest Iq group ive ever seen and probably finds tom and his whole schtick as obnoxious as the rest of us not in his stupid little cult and decided to speak up on it. Some one had to say it glad it was him. Mac makes excellent art btw if you actually listen to his albums.

[@multard]

That's exactly what I thought.

[@RasheedsChair]

Hot Take: You can like both Tom and Mac. Listen to Mac Lethal’s Irish Goodbye Album. It’s awesome.

[@MrBeav1982]

It's still in my rotation tbh. I think all his sideshow raps made people look at him as less of an artist.

[@carmenhuyser808]

This really shouldn't be a hot take but here we are 😮‍💨

[@SLIM_SHADY313]

He said he created the Genre if political rap in his song GOD MODE _I CREATED THE GENRE YALL PRACTICALLY JACKED IT"

[@lukecrossley]

it's just so silly, rap has been political from its inception - songs like NWA 'f*** the police' or ice t's 'colors', kendrick's to pimp a butterfly, etc. rap has always discussed racism, police brutality, the reagan crack era, etc. to say he invented political rap is so stupid and ignorant of the rich history of the genre and really disrespects so many artists that came before him

[@lochnessspeedwerkz6557]

​@@lukecrossley He just decided to ride the maga/conspiracy gravy train.

[@KillerChickn]

​@@lukecrossley That's not really political. Tom raps about political sides and talking points from the media and social media. I wouldn't say he invented it and neither did he, he said practically.

[@hisbean]

At what other point in time in rap, did people consider there to be a "political genre"? YES, people did SOME political songs, here and there, but when did anyone do it so consistently, and from so many angles?

[@truthaus6840]

"I created the genre they practically jacked it. " Fair point from Mac. Overall its cheesy mac, but cred for stepping up again. This time, Nova, emotional damage. I want to see a beef with Webby, about ?, but Webby is worthy of time. @KillerChickn

[@Iyiouseismouse]

I’m a 600 year old vampire and all music makes me want to drink blood. Tom’s music though… makes me want to drink blood 🩸

[@MrJBracewell]

"The last time I battled the man that I trampled Lost his career and then had a divorce That wasn't fair, homie got torched" That was the diss.

[@nannyogtha]

Dude sounds like the Bloodhound Gang, the way he raps.

[@squeasel09]

What are you trying to say? Bloodhound Gang is funny af

[@187blacmagic]

So does Tom. Lol

[@blakecarroll8275]

I can't help but feel like Mac is only doing this to become relevant again. Most of his song is either untrue or filler. It sounds good, but there isnt that much substance. Also this is coming from a long time Mac fan. His song 'angel of death' is in my top 30 rap songs ever

[@MrBeav1982]

That song was a banger and Tech is a monster.

[@dutchking7293]

Dav's money is running out, if Tom is smart he just ignores him like he did with Church...

[@yannmorsli904]

I don't know who this Mc Lethal is and I don't have to. All I know is that he is lethal to himself. We should be able to make a distinction between a real diss that calls for a response, and something that is more a cry for help and prayers. It I were Tom, I would ask people to pray for this guy because he needs it. Anyone that goes to that length of disrespecting your girlfriend, your parents in such a nasty way... Is someone who is in pain and should gets mental help or reach out to God. From whatever angle that you look at it, it's a reach to call Tom's verse a diss. And even if it was a sneak diss, what we heard in this track is a man that has been in pain for 5 years. As I said, the simple fact that he went to that length of disrespecting his girlfriend and even his parents, tells you all you need to know about where he is mentally... And it's not a good place. I think that any rapper who gets dissed by using their family in such a way, are entitled to annihilate the guy and try to destroy his career like Kendrick is doing, or pray for the guy as he needs more help than anything else, in the case of Lethal.

[@PuffyPandaOG]

The number of times I've heard Cliff say, "I wasn't even on KZbin when this went down" is hilarious. Tom got roasted with this one.

[@briang6815]

As a Tom fan, I actually found this to be a decent diss. It was definitely way better than the Single White Female rap or any of the Upchurch disses or any of these other guys that have been going after Tom this year. I doubt Tom will respond though. I didn't mind Mac Lethal Sucks Pt2 though which many people seemed to have skipped over.

[@ZeIose]

Well, he did have 5 years to perfect it.

[@billymayberry2348]

"You make music for people who stormed the capital " chefs kiss 😂😂

[@michaelshirhall1831]

You really think the demographic with the most hunters and gun owners stormed the Capitol WITHOUT guns? Da fuq?

[@billymayberry2348]

@michaelshirhall1831 Ohh, I see. You subscribe to conspiracy theories surrounding the events of that day. I believe the people who are being prosecuted and convicted are the people who stormed the capital . They went from Trump rally to the capital. They also hid explosives nearby 🙄

[@Samurai_Stoner]

​@michaelshirhall1831 are you seriously denying this, there's video 😂

[@michaelshirhall1831]

@Samurai_Stoner video of fbi agents riling up the unarmed crowd. NOT 1 gun was used that day other than a shared racist black dude shooting a unarmed white woman. You want real Maga people who on average own 4 guns to show up? We will and the military would be behind us as 86% vote red.

[@michaelshirhall1831]

@@Samurai_Stoner video of what? Not of anyone using a gun on Jan 6th. Not 1.

[@hetomaru66]

Tom fans are SOOOOO MAD . TOM GOT COOKED ON THIS! ❤‍🔥❤‍🔥❤‍🔥

[@leeroyjenkins791]

Aww mac fans get one win and think they model is a good rapper lmao

[@timsunny5949]

Yea it was definitely a 4 year slow cook😂but have to wait for Tom’s response just keep in mind he can take his time, up to 4 years 😂

[@timsunny5949]

@@leeroyjenkins791 Mac thinks he’s lethal injection now😂

[@hetomaru66]

@@timsunny5949 4 years and still SMOKED HIS ASS lol BRO GOT MURDERED on this track. DEMOLISHED.

[@hetomaru66]

@@leeroyjenkins791 bro got SMOKEDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[@ENCOUNTERZERO7]

Tom wont respond cause he still hasn't responded to Upchurch who has a way larger reach than Mac does when it comes to numbers. The only reason I could see him respond is the shots at Nova and then everyone and their mom would jump on that ship to push Toms buttons so I would say their wouldn't be a response. If there is it will be something along the lines of trying to make a career revival. I find it odd the timing of this comes right off the heels of Church ,Tom, Adam, and Mesus having issues. I could be wrong but something feels off about this.

[@JeffMyers409]

Tom did say he created political rap on God Mode. “I remember back when I was the only political rapper, what the hell happened? All the sudden, everyone who never gave a damn got political and started rappin' Tragic, I should be flattered, man, I created the genre they practically jackin'”

[@alexlashley9883]

I was a wrestler,I wore Spandex, you were a customer, you did Xanax.....

[@squeasel09]

Tom was an addict too tho...

[@antbox1992]

@@squeasel09 Yeah but Tom overcame his addictions, then got Famous, Mac Lethal became famous, then became an addict. the latter is much worse

[@squeasel09]

@antbox1992 the point is that bar is hypocrisy. If he understands the struggle, don't use it as ammo. That's a weak minded thing to do

[@ShaneP32960]

Tom it shit only racists listens too

[@jessebailey5962]

​@@antbox1992wow you're a certified nut hugger

[@MentionedBefore]

Tim "Ground Zero Snowflake" McDonalds needs to read any book ever, seriously. Also love the Immortal Technique shout-outs, always

[@RollMeOne_Kenobi]

Mac is corny af, but at least this track is listenable. Better than Upskirt's bs anyway😂

[@__-bo7li]

That's a fact. Mac is at least showing Ryan how it's done, but he's not a good enough rapper to emulate this. But they're both counting on the fact that Tom said he don't do disses anymore. Upskirt won't even deal with Flawd, and now he's got Mezus and Adam Calhoun calling his shit.

[@RollMeOne_Kenobi]

@@__-bo7li I honestly would've expected it to be the other way around. Church with the savage diss and Mac with the corny one, because that's what we've seen in the past lol 2024 is a weird fucking year so far😂

[@inigomontoya4032]

Can we not talk about how the cliffhanger diss track ending is the most unique way to set up the knockout punch? Dude just took the belt back.

[@michellelewis7665]

I think he was saying that back when he started doing his political thing, no one else was doing then...now I'm not exactly deep into hip hop and rap but I don't recall hearing any political stuff around the time Tom started his. Correct me on that, please.

[@G3nsis1]

He disses nova more than him . Sounds like he wants to battle her more than Tom. Over reaction to a diss that was a 1/10 though

[@Neopumper666]

Sounds like he is jealous of Tom and secretly wants nova lmao Mac so Salty he got no one

[@DevonXlee]

I'm here for a Nova rap battle 😅👀

[@G3nsis1]

@@DevonXlee that would be the best diss ever lol but she does help him write so

[@BPDProductions-fd9fe]

Nova would destroy him

[@hisbean]

@@G3nsis1 She helps Tom on hooks, which he has admitted too. There is no problem with them working together. They are both writers/artists/musicians, so it makes sense to bounce ideas off each other.

[@Shelly-je9wr]

I hope Tom doesn’t respond. Sounds like Mac is looking for a little love. Would someone please give him a cuddle!!

[@FirstChronus]

Sounds like Mac is looking for reason to commit suicide

[@moharproductions]

Fuck tom bro ahaha Half is fans are legit 50-80 year old white ladies that hate rap ahhaha

[@amypace1027]

Not if he was the last man on earth. 😂

[@koldendaffer3809]

I messaged tom last night about this diss. He just laughed and said happy fathers day

[@stingerNWO]

Lol

[@terrellthegoat5919]

Bra I had Tom winning the battle last time and it's forsure true Mac dissed online. Tom dissed in a battle, Mac responded, Tom responded Mac responded with a closer saying he wasn't dissing anymore. Everyone took Tom's side. Ok that chapter closed. And we ALL KNOW TOM took shots at Mac on that 9min song. We All Know that. Everyone snickered. Now Mac wanna defend himself don't get biased and act like idk what he talking about... That's jus not fair.... Bra this was actually fire, a good diss and let's see what happens but don't go trying to shape the narrative please. I'm not saying that's what's going on right this moment but let's not take it there please please. This definitely deserves the respect of the community... Shout to Mac for coming with the bars. Man really redeemed himself

[@hisbean]

He did NOT "take shots". He was explaining to those who don't know/refuse to listen, WHY he said he won't do disses anymore. He is expressing remorse, for what took place. He is standing on his word, that he said YEARS AGO, and NOT doing direct attacks on people. Did he respond to things being said about him him? Yes, Did he do it in a way to just tear others down? No.

[@kyliepashley5847]

@cliffbeats do you think that Tom's reaction may have been the love song to Nova, "Ghost"? Nova really copped it in this song, so maybe that played into Tom making that song for Nova?

[@TomJuddJr]

He figured out that he can just this Tom MacDonald every 5 years and get a paycheck

[@Kadra_Sky]

I mean Mac Lethal even deleted his original diss... in 2023 years later....

[@robeshd6536]

Probably because the beef was "squashed"

[@rodenrren2]

@@robeshd6536yeah that was a cheap shot after squashing it

[@titotrevino2151]

​@rodenrren2 tom brought him up in god mode so tom started this shit again 🤣

[@hisbean]

@@titotrevino2151 Tom NEVER said Mac's name, used that situation to explain WHY he won't do disses, and expressed regret for what happened, with Mac. Go ahead though, and keep pretending he was "dissing" Mac. Why'd it take Mac 2 months, to find ghost writers, to help him with this?

[@Shes_Just_As_Bored_As_Me]

And.....

[@kristalsky3538]

He heard the line in god mode about him and got salty

[@ShaneP32960]

Tom it shit only racists listens too

[@alleycatbookfiend2453]

It sounds like he is more jealous of Nova. On the other hand, she is the only female he knows about in tom's life apparently personal. If you going rap battle with another rapper, you have to mention them more than 50 percent of the whole diss. Please focus on the opponent, or else it destroys the whole diss. Also, you need receipts for claims.

[@Real_Backwoodz_Logan]

Sorry cliff much as I respect you this was a waist of time. Tbh Mac lethal says he is sick of Tom shitting on hiphop but Mac don’t know shit about rap/hiphop 😂

[@brytsness]

"The internet in love with beef, they want rappers at war But I don't care who's comin' at me I swore that I wouldn't do disses no more The last time I battled the man that I trampled Lost his career and then had a divorce That wasn't fair, homie got torched I feel the weight like I'm carryin' around a corpse" God Mode Verse 3

[@zeekmatthews680]

I thought he read pass it and I tuck it as Expiration why he he diss Upchurch and I know someone people saed he diss mac but was not shore because divorce line what I know mac was married.

[@ozwaltreacts4709]

I was wondering the other day where Mac Lethal went. I'm glad to see him back swinging like this. This was a dope diss track.

[@dazza1156]

The "Everyone is hate is a n*zi" argument? Yeah Mac Lethal already lost and i haven't heard a single bar yet.

[@Darkstar_Dayne]

Tom MacDonald makes music for 70 years old racist white ladies stop making him a big deal

[@chriztmas2431]

9:55 In the first minute of Tom's god mode his says he created it, the same song that he references ending Lethal career and marriage

[@aye5kay]

Didn't know this was still a beef. Good share. How come you didn't bring up text search and type "divorce"? It would have shown in the first 3rd of the lyrics.

[@harstar12345]

The last time I battled the man that I trampled lost his career and then had a divorce That wasn't fair, homie got torched, I feel the weight, like I'm carryin' around a corpse

[@ShaneP32960]

Tom it shit only racists listens too

[@sherlocksvp5537]

You can tell some of Tom's fans are here by how they dont understand anything in this song

[@mingbotlarue5694]

Seriously

[@Samurai_Stoner]

Lol facts

[@Your_Average_Gamer_Fabo]

Mac lethal trying to pay that alimony

[@sharper68]

Like it, nice to see tom called out as a goof he is. A rapper for those who hate rap ..

[@SchizoSkillz]

An episode of BLACKED, a XXX series. That shit was cold. Made Nova sound like Beyotche.

[@juliannanightingale6760]

I'm not bringing up the lyrics myself but I do remember Tom saying something around the lines that he's not dissing anyone anymore because the last person he dissed ended up divorced and broken or something like that and never was about to make a come back after he basically went after him if I remember correctly and yes, I do believe it was on God Mode.

[@ryantheman5710]

Lol Tom is #2 riveling with Em 🤪 Mac just dipped when tom slaughtered him. Now he is coming back with some crap lol I wanna see tom destroy him again.

[@micvic83]

Tom McDonald is ass cheeks. 😂😂😂. Corny on all accounts. Canadians taking losses lately for culture vulturing

[@MrDonCoyote]

Mac Lethal is so corny and cringe. Says he's tired of hearing Tom. But then why is he living rent free in your head, Mac? Mac lost as soon as he called Tom a nazi. I mean, are we children now? Good on Tom for backing out of this one and being the bigger person.

[@cnevares5]

Here's the thing, if the whole squashing shit is true and you turn around and sneak diss that person, then yea X person should respond to start a new "drama" and speak your shit. Lethal spoke his shit. With that being said, what did Tom say that really got under Lethals skin as a sneak diss?

[@The1SSGrant]

Well that’s just it, Tom didn’t diss Mac, he merely mentioned him (and not by name) as a way of saying that he’s done with battles. Mentioning the fact that Mac had a divorce is not a diss, it’s just a fact and Mac overreacted.

[@sieglindeeilserv8799]

@@The1SSGrant You are being disingenuous, he heavily implied the divorce was due to him, as well as Mac's "career ending". Trying to weasel out of a diss by using technicalities is weak sauce. Tom could easily have used other words to get the same ideas across, something about he didn't like the harm those battles could potentially cause and whatnot, but instead used an example he knew all his fans knew was about Mac.

[@hisbean]

@@sieglindeeilserv8799 Tom stated what happened, and WHY he won't do direct disses again. He has stated for years, he feels bad for what happened. He said he did not like what it did to him, or how it made Mac look. If you think him showing remorse, is a diss, then you aren't very smart.

[@thetalantonx]

17:41 - Yeah, it's the "not quite my tempo" and throwing a cymbal which actually is a decent bar considering he used Caesar and Brutus as well as whiplash from the unexpected betrayal as a symbol.

[@Heys5-19]

First off I think he had AI write this for him and nothing in here even compares to the Chris Benoit line

[@W4ll_fl0w3r]

All he had to do was call tom and tom would have clarified... this was beyond unnecessary and that level of disrespect for nova ... heĺl no

[@carlsanders2766]

Tom: I swear I won't do diss tracks anymore, I still feel like shit after the last one. Dave: Oh, goody, 5 years later this is my chance to say some more nasty shit about your girlfriend unprovoked and really show how dumb I am talking about his fans too! I'll give him that the beat he bought for this one sounded better and the flow wasn't as corny as the last one.

[@Jonathan2342]

I kind of feel you are giving Mac too much credit. He rhymed rackafella with rockafella and half of his dissed are directed at his fans. I don’t think Tom needs to respond.

[@toxicbreez4277]

You're clearly in denial, he fckn cooked corn on the cob Macdonald

[@brainsqueezereactions]

I love Cliff beats but something feels off on this one ... low and behold Mac Lethal in the comments too 👀👀👀 This track was a mess and sounded very desperate

[@mikkomusic93]

Black Rainbow by Mac Lethal is straight 🔥

[@georgesnelling8024]

He means got his popularity from political raps not that no other rappers talked politics. Political rap as a section, or niche, of rap is different than putting politics in a rap.

[@leebrunk4390]

I’m no Tom Macdonald fan, but the bait and murk job he did on that Mac Lethal cornball was a chef’s kiss. He doesn’t even need to respond to this desperate cry for attention.

[@424stormygirl]

I can't imagine HOG asking you to react to this . Crazy.

[@infinitematter.]

Em never mentioned Tom , but Royce did mention him in a song

[@ShaneP32960]

No he didn’t

[@infinitematter.]

@@ShaneP32960 sure did and put a 🔥 under an IG post regarding a different subject

[@infinitematter.]

“Tell Thomas MacDonald we don't agree with his views But we approve of his honesty” - Royce from Greed

[@thats1fatgruntxbl]

​@@ShaneP32960my man you might want to go look up his song "Greed" before you continue to make a fool out of yourself.

[@hankugly6800]

Tom said in God mode “I remember when I was the only political rapper” or something like that.

[@isaacsiedentop2821]

Was that line in God Mode Tom throwing Mac a bone? Is Mac about to drop a record? I havent heard the name Mac Lethal in awhile, maybe this can revive Mac Lethal's career? Mac can spit, hopefully he can monetize this situation.

[@thomasdrnec4783]

I think Mac snapped back because he doesn't take it lightly being randomly tread on- especially if he thought the beef was over.

[@davidbradshaw2293]

He just trollin, needs a payday to pay for “ All the properties he’s been buying “

[@dominic150]

Apartments be getting expensive. 😂

[@jenb8299]

I had the weirdest interaction with a Tom fan last night. He said Mac Lethal claimed Em punched him back in the day. Lol. Dude go to bed.

[@MythronVET63]

Halfway through the video I forgot he was talking about Tom MacDonald kzbin.infoacy7z7hIbC4?si=I0pTWcjQPsQwDc9_