Gorillas Are Monkeys, and So Are You! You Can't Evolve Out of a Clade.

Are you saying that we came from monkeys? Oh, no, it's much worse, I'm saying that we might be monkeys! This can't be right, can it? Well let's take a look at all of the primates and how they are related to see if we can get to the bottom of this mystery.
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[@saxoman1]

I loved this and could have listened for hours longer of you going off on this topic! You have such an amazing/logical/energetic way of breaking things down! For example, lesser teachers would have jumped right to "Simiiformes not being able to make vitamin C is due to their common ancestry", but not you! You give us the mystery and logically walk us to the, by the end, obvious conclusion. You present the mystery (shared vitamin C deficiency), propose "simplest" solution(common ancestry), challenge that solution (just because it's the simplest solution doesn't make it correct), present a test that MUST be true if the proposed solution IS correct (the mutation that breaks vitamin C production MUST BE THE SAME in all members of the clade), pass the test (it is the same), come to a conclusion that is more than just "the most likely solution" but in fact is the ONLY SOLUTION that actually PREDICTS the otherwise improbable condition (shared gene break)! That kind of diligent, almost story-like breakdown is INCREDIBLY enlightening and beneficial to the learning process and I am better for having gone through it than just "be given the answer". Don't know how I've failed to subscribe up to this point (because you have many wonderful videos like this, but shorter), but NOW I'm subscribed! I'd also love more long form vids like this! Cheers!

[@ClintsReptiles]

Wow, that was one of the most illustrative and encouraging pieces of feedback I have received. Thank you for spending the time to tell me that.

[@saxoman1]

@@ClintsReptiles No problem! You're the one who did the work and composed this wonderful explanation and put it into video format! And btw I stand corrected! I had overlooked that you have quite a few videos of this length and even longer! Also, I like both the longer and shorter formats tbc! Hoping for that Hominidae deep dive!

[@shigeminotoge4514]

Yes! I absolutely _adore_ Clint's teaching style. He doesn't just sit you down and tell you _that_ something works; he tells you the _how_ and the _why_ (and when relevant, the _when,_ _where,_ and possibly even the _who_ ) so that you come out not _knowing_ a thing, but _understanding_ it. I wish I had teachers like him when I was in school; I would have actually enjoyed it.

[@tonyritter4919]

Same. I could nerd out listening to the level of intellect 24/7, especially your delivery. Your passion and love for these topics shine.

[@aberdeenkiko]

@@ClintsReptiles You were too politically correct, for the video that you´ve posted above. When actually, Chimps are only 77% the same has Hominids. While Gorillas are 81% the same as Hominids; due to some ancient hybridization with their own version of Hominids, called Parentotropus. Being that Hominids, descend from Gibbons, that are about 87% the same as the Ikiminus, that are the first real Hominids, that still look a lot like a full time, walking Gibbon. Both Parentotropus and Ikiminus, still exist on planet Earth. In a very low number. And well hidden and protected by the G.L.A. Against the unreliable tendency for genocide, from the Humans, from nowadays planet Earth.

[@azurehanyo]

“…ask yourself the age-old question: am I in Madagascar?” That had me laughing almost as much as “the easiest way to distinguish between an American black bear and an Asian black bear is by knowing which continent you’re on”.

[@alveolate]

but sometimes... poachers export...

[@AD-tj4jc]

San Diego.

[@madhokte]

I want both of these quotes on shirts

[@talec_arashi]

"But is it Madagascar 1, 2 or 3?"

[@MattMcIrvin]

None of the lemurs I've ever met were in Madagascar!

[@jwnomad]

I may be a monkey fish, but at least I'm not a butterfly crustacean

[@LDrosophila]

best comment

[@Nomad-sw4uy]

Personally I fancy myself more of a reptile bird.

[@whiteegretx]

​@@Nomad-sw4uy- like a hanky panky duck?

[@languageresources2314]

Hanky-Panky Ducks sounds like an official scientific term. I'll take it

[@jakegarvin7634]

Fucking Molluscs

[@Dingus_Khaan]

We can never return to monke... We never even left.

[@cesaralcaraz819]

Exactly.

[@yamiyomizuki]

there is no net to return to where you have always been

[@bleep0004]

Return to trees ig

[@MrDj232]

To be fair to the end credits scene, I can't imagine better proof that humans are monkeys than mailing poop to someone you dislike.

[@mMeFlora]

oh thats 100% something other monkeys would do if they had access to human postal service

[@Wingedshadowwolf]

My thought exactly!🤣🤣

[@shigeminotoge4514]

IKR? _classic_ monkey stuff right there.

[@J-_-]

I see I wasn't alone in that thought.

[@hellomate639]

Apes are large monkeys without tails. Humans are apes. Humans are large land monkeys without tails.

[@tonydai782]

“Can you be specific” Clint was literally being as specific as possible, I genuinely don’t comprehend what that committee member’s point was other than just plain ignorance.

[@Roozyj]

I guess he just didn't want to be a monkey, which is kinda silly because monkeys are cute

[@Ratciclefan]

Not even plain ignorance, more like willing ignorance.

[@hraefn1821]

scientists are ironically some of the most closed minded of all people. The danger arrives when someone forgets that science is not about policing hard coded laws and regulations but in fact is supposed to simply be a system to categorize and understand that which we do not understand. If you come to a conclusion using the scientific method that is then proved false, the next step is to alter the erroneous conclusion, accounting for new data and evidence. After all if we knew everything, science would not exist. Sadly, particularly when pride and arrogance are involved, a close minded scientist will insist his views are correct even when irrefutable physical evidence to the contrary is dumped in his lap. This mindset is the largest reason behind the stagnation of many areas of scientific study. (*Cough cough*AquaticApeTheory*cough cough*)

[@Alex-js5lg]

"You should be more specific" = "pick a lower clade because I don't like this."

[@HweolRidda]

Maybe he didn't like the circular argument. What does monkey mean and is it a word that has anything to do with evolutionary relationships?

[@napalmnacey]

Thanks for this. My smart-ass daughter keeps "correcting" me when I tell my cat that she doesn't want the fruit I cut up to eat sometimes because it's "monkey food" (as opposed to cat food). I pointed out to her that even if we weren't monkeys specifically, it IS food that monkeys would eat. But now I can say we ARE monkeys. Because my daughter is a pedant, and while I'm proud of her pedantry, I want her to be a correct pedant.

[@bartolomeothesatyr]

The world needs more moms like you!

[@s7bfreeman]

And a correctly pedantic monkey.

[@Rumda.]

Humans like building nests so much we build nests inside our nests and somtimes nests on that too.

[@BarbieDreamDungeon]

Build house. Build bed. Build pillow fort. Eat banana.

[@radikaldesignz]

Nestception

[@Jaybee6428]

A bed on my bed an extra pillow on my head 😅

[@ttthttpd]

​@@radikaldesignz "Nested" already means "inception" (in the meme sense). So it's "nested nests"

[@sociallysatanic]

it's nests all the way down

[@dplocksmith91]

So in other words, there is no need to return to monke. We are still monke, and we will always be monke.

[@atimidbirb]

Blessed comment

[@brain_tonic]

Your wisdom is boundless.

[@The_Mav]

Reject monke, we will always be fishe.

[@glorygloryholeallelujah]

I’d rather be a banana slug….

[@albatross4920]

The true monke was the friendships we made along the way

[@Gamerkat10]

"Nothing's more hanky-panky than a bonobo. Except ducks. They're screwed up."

[@Netheferious]

PTSD Triggered

[@karmataurus6009]

This is my biggest pet peeve when it comes to zoology. I've actually written feedback to some of my local zoos, the Toledo and especially Detroit Zoo, asking them to adjust their signage as at the gorilla exhibit, they have a giant sign about how apes are definitely not monkeys, and makes references to apes and especially man being 'higher' animals as opposed to monkeys and especially lemurs being 'lower' animals, which doesn't give a great vibe. No response yet but hopefully we can get some changes.

[@ClintsReptiles]

Let me know if it changes! Keep fighting the good fight! Thank you for supporting our channel :)

[@Exquailibur]

Yeah that is why you get people who are so insistent that apes are not monkeys, its like most people call them monkeys but people who think they know stuff say they arent but people who really know primatology have to break it to them. Its like how toads are a type of frog or tortoises are a type of turtle, apes are a type of monkey and I just so happen to be a very derived ape and therefore monkey. But I mean we thought aye ayes were rodents so its not like we are the only weird primate out there.

[@Marlerc11]

So not everyone speaks phylogenetics. If you look up the word "animal" in some dictionaries it states that it is any organism belonging to the taxonomic kingdom "animalia" and I've seen it written that this is explicitly not including humans. I don't agree with this definition per se, but my point is that words are defined by a consensus of people and if people want a word to define all simiiformes, excluding hominoidea, and they want that word to be "monkey" ,then shouldn't they be able to use that word? Most of these scientific names make little sense to the group as a whole anyways (as can be seen when extinct lineages are pieced together and rearranged) so I see little issue in arguing that "we are all fish" when clearly the we could use a more layman's term to differentiate me from my guppy.

[@HerrFlachpfeife]

They also need to fix the signs that say whales and dolphins aren't fish.🤓

[@catpoke9557]

​@@ExquailiburPeople also think sea lions aren't seals and dolphins aren't whales. What I'm realizing is taxonomy is usually a lot more intuitive than people think. Usually, if it seems like something shares a clade, it does.

[@barbarusbloodshed6347]

35 minutes of Clint going "I'M RIGHT!!!" I love it.

[@Leyrann]

And he managed to do it without ever being annoying about it! That is a very rare gift indeed. Usually if people make a video to rant about some idiot, the video suffers in quality, but not here.

[@EpicMathTime]

This is the best video I've ever seen, so good, it's not even a video anymore. It evolved right outta the clade.

[@ClintsReptiles]

😳

[@homoergausster]

hello fellow math and primate lover, I'm in agreement

[@buttgut]

I think AI Clint had a good point when he said "banifnrnsna raguli fontons"

[@MJWPub]

I'm not sure we need AI Clint, having AI seems unnecessarily confusing. It is not like Real Clint is ever going to get tired of talking about clades! 🤣

[@letsplaysvonaja1714]

Diversifiii

[@KAZVorpal]

@@MJWPub But eventually, AI Clint will learn the difference between Linnaean taxonomy and cladistics, whereas Clint seems to refuse to.

[@HornWorm8]

@@KAZVorpal I just asked ChatGPT if humans are monkeys. This was the response, "Yes, from a strictly phylogenetic and cladistic perspective, it is correct to say that humans are a type of monkey. This perspective considers all descendants of the last common ancestor of what we traditionally call monkeys (both New World and Old World monkeys) to be part of the same clade, which includes apes and, consequently, humans. To clarify: Cladistics: Cladistics is a method of classification based on common ancestry, and it groups organisms into clades that include an ancestor and all its descendants. If monkeys are defined as the descendants of the last common ancestor of New World monkeys (Platyrrhini) and Old World monkeys (Cercopithecoidea), then apes (Hominoidea), which include humans, are also part of this clade. Traditional Classification: Traditionally, "monkeys" are used to refer to non-ape primates. Apes and humans are typically separated from monkeys in common language and traditional taxonomy. Phylogenetic Relationship: Phylogenetically, apes and Old World monkeys share a more recent common ancestor with each other than either does with New World monkeys. Thus, under a strict cladistic definition, apes (including humans) are a subset of the larger monkey clade. Therefore, while traditionally and colloquially, humans are not referred to as monkeys, from a cladistic and evolutionary biology standpoint, it is accurate to say that humans are monkeys. This acknowledges our place within the broader primate clade that includes both apes and monkeys." Did AI get it right?

[@bartolomeothesatyr]

​@@KAZVorpal Rejecting the usefulness and currency of traditional Linnaean taxonomy in favor of exclusively cladistic taxonomy is a far cry from failing to understand the difference between the two. Traditional Linnaean taxonomy classifies organisms based on superficial phenotypology -- in other words, vibes -- as opposed to empirically demonstrable genetic relationships, and Clint is absolutely correct to reject a "vibes-based" approach to biology when we have more useful paradigms.

[@GregoryJohnson-l1g]

Every time I've had this argument online the "humans aren't monkeys" argument has basically boiled down to "humans aren't monkeys because I really don't want to admit that they are"

[@shigeminotoge4514]

It's like people somehow think they're "better" than any of our extant relatives. I mean, sure, we're better at being US, but that's about where that ends. We'd make TERRIBLE bonobos. Imagine just sleeping around with anyone you wanted, any time regardless of se- hmm... on second thought. Sign me up to become a bonobo!

[@paolocarl.8205]

and usually the ones that don't wanna admit it are the most monkey-like of us

[@jacobesterson]

@@shigeminotoge4514 "we're better at being US, but that's about where that ends." This is a comically vast oversimplification. A bonobo is very well adapted to the environments in which bonobos generally live while humans are capable of living pretty much anywhere on the planet for extended periods of time, hunting whales on the open ocean, sleeping at 90° angle inclines while hundreds of feet up a mountain, circumnavigating the entire planet in less than 24 hours, flying to the moon mostly for the sake of vanity, and communicating with eachother across thousands of miles via invisible waves of energy. Even just from a foodchain standpoint no other creature can compete. We're not just apex predators, we're *the* apex. Are we better at being bonobos than bonobos? No. Are we better at almost everything else outside of their specific niche? Most certainly. ...We're still monkeys though.

[@glenecollins]

Monkey is a paraphyletic group solved 🤪

[@binnsy6879]

​@@jacobesterson That's not because Homo sapiens is a "better" or "more evolved" species though. That's because we've got thousands of years of societal and technological progress behind us. You probably wouldn't last a month in any natural environment without technology. A modern human without society and technology is as useless and ineffectual as an ant without a colony or a bee without a hive. We have essentially become eusocial monkeys.

[@samrovito3694]

A 30+ minute in-depth analysis telling a committee member exactly why they’re wrong and how their incorrect opinions had a measurable negative impact on the life of their dissertation student is the pinnacle of pre-doctoral achievement.

[@eriathdien]

"The Pinnacle of Creation: Gorillas"... I laughed my non-existing vitamin-C-lacking tail off!!!

[@Tybold63]

Well, as far as i know they don't make wars like chimps and humans so in that sense they have higher moral values and "better". And a baby gorilla is arguably more cute than a human baby imho 🙃.

[@im_m3]

​​@@Tybold63so Gorillaz is just better than humans

[@falcolf]

@@Tybold63Baby gorillas definitely sport superior cuteness! And silverbacks are pretty handsome dudes.

[@robinmatz6686]

Also Gorillas are huge, the biggest extant primates, so id argue they are the definition of Great Apes

[@robinmatz6686]

Also Gorillas are huge, the biggest extant primates, so id argue they are the definition of Great Apes

[@scabbynack]

"They could have evolved to not have a head!" filed under 'things Clint said in the shower after that dissertation presentation' 🤣

[@jedimasterajlee9983]

Good to know that Dullahans are, indeed, still monkeys!

[@_zurr]

@@jedimasterajlee9983 Dullahans do have heads though, just not on their neck lol.

[@IXSigmaXI]

"there were no monkeys in Madagascar until we showed up" -- what did we like bring monkeys with us? oh wait

[@ClintsReptiles]

😉

[@biblicallyaccuratecockroach]

"Ducks are screwed up" that joke works on several levels 😂😂😂 And I love that you put gorillas at the end of the diagram 😂 humans are unique and special but not THAT special, and we need to get off that egotistic pedestal.

[@craigtevis1241]

True since they are literally screwed up.

[@spracketskooch]

I don't know, man. Evolving general intelligence and self-aware consciousness seems pretty special, seeing as the different species of human, and possibly some hominids, are the only species to ever evolve it. At least as far as we know. If we make it to another planet, we'll again be the only known organisms to do so.

[@mstalcup]

I don't know man. Gorillas got all that fur.@@spracketskooch

[@Kehy_ThisNameWasAlreadyTaken]

@@spracketskooch Nah we already know several earth species with general intelligence and self-awareness. Orca (and a few other dolphin species), crows and corvids, chimps and some others. We really aren't that special, and if we do make it to another planet, then all we've got is that we THINK we're the first to do so

[@spracketskooch]

​@@Kehy_ThisNameWasAlreadyTaken Hmmm, I can't prove this, but it seems to me like there's an extra layer or two to human consciousness that isn't possessed by other primates, maybe by dolphins. The best way I can put is we're aware that we're self-aware. We can observe the internal observer. Something I'm not sure any other extant animal can do. I also don't think that other animals have true general intelligence. They're still specialized in their thought patterns. Like, I suspect an orca cannot understand several layers of abstraction or metaphor. Of course, I could be wildly wrong. These are just observations I've made. We probably need to actually understand the minute workings or consciousness before I can make any solid claims, but the same goes for everyone else.

[@heyy13]

The passive-aggressive condecending sarcasm running its way through this whole thing had me giggling the whole time. I love it! haha

[@xekis]

AI Clint is just Clint who is dead inside. Actual Clint is much more passionate.

[@icewink7100]

As a biology major in college, at least half of my social interactions involve me explaining the implications of phylogenetics. “Did you know that humans are a type of fish?” “Did you know that trees aren’t real?” 10/10 experience.

[@hebedite4865]

then trying to explain that mushrooms aren't a type of fungus but rather just a means to pass on their genetics and it's like you just gave a dissertation and it's only noon lol

[@4pelokananasov992]

Don't. Cry. I'm just a fish!

[@TheVerendus]

Trying to explain to people that species don't really exist and are just one snapshot in a looooong timeline of evolutionary changes is... difficult. It is very hard for some people to grasp how long millions of years is and how many generations and mutations occur in that time.

[@icewink7100]

@@TheVerendus I’ve found that Ring Species are the easiest way to explain the problem of defining species. But yeah, a lot of people don’t get it.

[@unkind6070]

Human are apes

[@Corvus31]

That is quite embarrassing for that committee member.

[@KateeAngel]

He sounds like a fundie. Yikes

[@biblicallyaccuratecockroach]

​@@KateeAngelIt does beg the question what a creationist was doing there. I doubt he just got lost on the way to his cult compound.

[@KateeAngel]

​@@biblicallyaccuratecockroach maybe he wasn't one. But he sounded like one

[@gtothereal]

@@biblicallyaccuratecockroachalright calm down lol

[@Andrey.Ivanov]

​​​@@KateeAngelTo me it just sounded like someone who is not fond of the cladistic taxonomy and instead continues to use the traditional linnaean classification where paraphyletic groups are excusable. Basically he likely believes that apes have evolved different enough from other monkeys that it justifies them not being monkeys anymore. Obviously this way of thinking doesn't help you at all when you try to look at the bigger picture of evolution and understand the relationships, but some oldschool professors still use this system, probably because it was what they were initially taught and they simply don't what to change their entire way of looking at phylogeny.

[@jhbbunch]

I saw a photo of a hairless chimp. Had to look at it for a second or two to make sense of what it actually was. Cause it looked scarily human.

[@andyjay729]

I wonder if chimps think we look like freakish seemingly rainbow-colored versions of themselves.

[@jamiepender6667]

I know which chimp you speak of and he absolutely looked very human like but…JACKED. Like kangaroo jacked. It just goes to show we have evolved but we lost a lot of the cool stuff that chimps and gorillas can do lol. I’m not being scientifically accurate here, but the fact that their babies can hold on to them tight enough to be carried around w no hands from mom is incredible.

[@zsan157]

@@jamiepender6667That’s true, but look on the bright side there’s also a lot of cool stuff we can do that chimps and gorillas can’t, like run marathons, throw stuff really far, and of course type these comments on KZbin 😂 also side note you’d be surprised how good our babies actually are at clinging to things, my baby cousin can already hold herself onto someone without any help

[@BennyKleykens]

Foreshadowing -> “YOU CAN'T EVOLVE OUT OF A CLADE". I want that on a T-shirt! Epic "Tongue in cheekery" going on there 😂😂😂

[@ClintsReptiles]

It might just need to happen!

[@_senseiteki_]

100% buying merch that says that 😂

[@eyesotherworldly]

​@@ClintsReptilesDespite all my rage, you still can't evolve out of a clade 🎶

[@juliansthoughts5641]

you know what? same!

[@nostalji93]

@@ClintsReptiles Why are Neaderthals not considered humans (a different species) when we successfully interbred with them?

[@JCtheMusicMan_]

Best PhD thesis ever! “You might be a monkey’s uncle.” 🤣❤

[@aki-senkinn]

In my experience people who deny us being monkeys are also who deny us being animals at all. We didn't just evolve out of a clade, we packed up and left the whole kingdom of animalia.

[@FrozEnbyWolf150-b9t]

There's a lot of belief in human exceptionalism at work. People want to believe humans are special, and exempt from the rules that govern all other living things. However, as Gutsick Gibbon pointed out, humans only differ from other animals by a matter of degrees, not category. It would be hubris to think otherwise.

[@OhhCrapGuy]

"humans aren't monkeys" - creationists "humans are monkeys" - people who understand evolution "humans aren't monkeys, they're apes" - people who start learning evolutionary history "humans are apes and apes are monkeys, so humans are monkeys" - people who understand cladistics

[@kwanarchive]

Creationists are more like "evolution says humans are monkeys and that offends me, so evolution is wrong."

[@dr.archaeopteryx5512]

"humans aren't monkeys, humans are monkeys" - ChatGPT

[@RSAgility]

It always leads back to monke.

[@m0x910]

Not surprised you all mischaracterised Creationists: Humans are humans always have been and always will be.

[@dr.archaeopteryx5512]

@@m0x910Creationists: "A matchbox is a matchbox (as it is a matchbox) and has always been a matchbox (while being a matchbox) and will always be a matchbox (as long as it remains a matchbox), and also I do not believe that a matchbox is a type of container" That's what y'all sound like to us 😔 And I mean sure maybe God is both real and just really invested in gaslighting most of humanity; but like, that seems like kind of a needless dick move for someone that powerful, ya know? Then again I guess if this guy was responsible for Parasitoid Wasps I can understand why he'd be like this; tho I understand far less why anybody would consider him someone worth following. Can we just agree that if God is real, he's a fun bumbly fallible grandpa type who's only trying his best instead of Azathoth drunk on bronze age Abusive Daddy vibes, and chill out, please? 😔

[@CommieHunter7]

Sounds like that PHD guy was specifically opposed to the conclusion, and thus fought the question.

[@ClintsReptiles]

That's how it looks to me as well.

[@night927]

@@ClintsReptiles as muslim i dont belive you at all any one how speck about that why god mack us like that we did not come from animels

[@correlolelo]

​@@night927if God exists he made us to be monkeys, deal with it

[@tristanridley1601]

The question was so clear though. *IF* monkeys are a monophylatic group. If! He could have just said "but they're not" in his head every five seconds instead of what he did. :(

[@EebstertheGreat]

@@tristanridley1601 Yeah, he could have just said something like, "maybe in French, all _Simiiformes_ are called 'singes,' but in English, we call some of them monkeys and some of them apes, and that's OK. They can still all be simians." There should be no dispute whatsoever that apes are crown monkeys, but it's not wholly unreasonable to argue that "monkey" on its own needn't be a clade. Like, it would be bizarre if someone argued "winged animal" had to be a clade, and therefore all bilaterians are winged animals. Personally, I think it makes way more sense to say that apes are a type of monkey (which was historically what we did anyway before misguided zoologists started "correcting" people), but there is room for argument. And that dude in the audience wasn't making it.

[@idkthatxool749]

This was delightful, not that all your content isn’t delightful, but the snark verging on nervous breakdown vibe is my favorite face on you.

[@revol2933]

34:39 Ladies and gentlemen, Clint has officially evolved out of his clade. Henceforth he & all of his descendants will be known to science as "trains"

[@aracelylopezpsyd5794]

😂😂😂

[@frogsinpants]

He may have evolved into trains, but he can't evolve out of being human. That's the whole point of the video. This is, however, great news for the trains-humanist agenda.

[@nitev4407]

I firmly believe that Clint will absolutely loose his mind whenever he is able to go to the Philippines (Bohol in particular) and is able to encounter a Tarsier... They're just so stinkin' cute!!!

[@hebedite4865]

they make my cuteness aggression go bananas

[@delphicdescant]

@@hebedite4865 That sounds like something a monkey would say.

[@amaureaLua]

Tarsiers have absurdly large eyes relative to their head size! Does any animal have a higher fraction of their head volume taken up by eyes? I know some insects beat them when it comes to *surface area* (e.g. love bugs males: ur.amaurea.net/lovebug_eye_meme.png), but compound eyes don't go as deep into the heads as the camera eyes of vertebrates.

[@unf3z4nt]

They're creepy looking.

[@jaimemartinez8963]

I am in my third year in college studying zoology and I was so proud of myself for understanding all the terminology and the way you came to the conclusion. And I'm going to have to apologize to all the people that I have corrected when they say call the great apes "monkeys"

[@tristanridley1601]

Apes are only monkeys if monkeys are a clade. Most people claim they're not, or rather a shared label assigned to two clades. From a linguistic perspective, the redundancy of the word primate would encourage us to keep apes separate and modify one of the monkey clades to have a slightly different name. Clint's dissertation said "IF monkeys are a monophyletic group". So... Just say they aren't instead. I don't disagree, just think both perspectives are valid.

[@Royce133c]

@@tristanridley1601the idea that apes are not monkeya while still considering cercopithecoidea and the platyrrhini as monkeys is not valid and incorrect according to evolutionary biology.

[@Royce133c]

Because all of the groups have a common ancestor, and the apes cannot evolve out of a clade, the clade classification is correct here because monophyletic groups are the most valid grouping of evolution

[@Minemuscle]

“Now, lemur means ghost.” Well, you learn something new everyday.

[@elpito9326]

Yeah, the ghosts of your ancestors, in Ancient Latin culture

[@Marlerc11]

Does that mean all of lemurs descendants are also ghosts?

[@Stu161]

@@Marlerc11can't evolve out of being a ghost, everyone knows that 😂

[@markwynne725]

I've just looked up why a Latin name for ghosts got attached to Lemurs. Pretty randomly, Linnaeus gave them it because they "walk around at night"

[@AwesometownUSA]

ahhh!

[@Macaco_Laser]

Some people are so obsessed with humans being different and superior to animals that they forget that humans are animals too, we are monkeys, and that's ok.

[@AlienInvader]

we are superior. either we're made in the image. or superiority and inferiority, good and evil are human concepts imposed on an uncaring universe. either way, the concepts themselves only exist because we do. find me something else smarter than like, a 6 year old, and maybe we'd have to revisit it... but as it is now, all that mumbo jumbo only exists as defined by and in relationship to humanity.

[@uruloki2758]

Did you even watch the video?

[@KanyeTheGayFish69]

I is monke

[@bustavonnutz]

No we're not.

[@Macaco_Laser]

@@uruloki2758 of course, I loved it. I'm saying it for the people who say humans are not monkeys.

[@666Maeglin]

As a biology highschool teacher I always told my student : "You are all worms!!!! and so I am, let me explain" to start my class about cladistics.

[@jaketinsley1987]

One day you'll have to account for you ignorance as well as you misleading hundreds of kids every year. What will you excuse be?

[@grine6966]

@@jaketinsley1987 How do you know he his ignorant? And if you are wrong what will your excuse be?

[@OceanusHelios]

@@jaketinsley1987 At least he doesn't have to account for his ignorance every single day by continually and nauseatingly propping up a story from the bronze age about talking bushes, talking snakes, and a bunch of other absurdities like a stupid flood story. I've still seen no convincing evidence that those stupid stories were nothing more than tall tales. Accountability you say? Account for your claims first.

[@alicecain4851]

Clint, this was a difficult thing for you to stand on your principles to get across scientifically. I think you did an amazing job. Going to school and taking all of the classes and everything else you studied to get your doctorate and having to fight for your stance, which you know is right. I'm sorry you lost an entire year. Thank you for sharing this information with us. I know how upset it is for many people to understand that we are definitely on the same family tree as monkeys, no matter how much - or little - separates us from each other.

[@ominous-omnipresent-they]

​@@crichard1815 That's because humans are the only animals to possess language.

[@drothicyaaresh6915]

​@@ominous-omnipresent-theydefinitely not correct. Many other animals communicate through sounds, gestures, and body language, including monkeys and the most well known aquatic mammals.

[@ominous-omnipresent-they]

​@@drothicyaaresh6915 None of which communicate via a developed language. A structured form of communication exclusive to humans.

[@presidentbutterpudding4025]

the science denial rooted so heavily into our society is genuinely repulsive

[@ominous-omnipresent-they]

​@@crichard1815 Because not everyone possesses the same level of communication skills. I don't recall deleting any posts.

[@viettrinh2730]

The aye-aye face 11:20 when eating the grub is incredibly cute though

[@Pootie_Tang]

I'm a monkey, I love banana and fear cats and hawks. %100 true

[@Pootie_Tang]

Why are you people liking this?

[@skaldlouiscyphre2453]

@@Pootie_Tang Because they also love banana and fear cats and hawks.

[@Pootie_Tang]

@@skaldlouiscyphre2453 sounds like it's 100% true

[@Julio-it1pl]

Banana go hard tho

[@Pootie_Tang]

@@Julio-it1pl word

[@shysquatch_72]

I think it would be cool to do a phylogeny video to answer the age old question “what came first the chicken or the egg?”, and why in fact the egg came first

[@peterstangl8295]

and it's not even a hard question because of that obvious fact

[@peterstangl8295]

it could work as an april fools video though

[@cj719521]

Amniotes, not even the first eggs, came so much earlier than dinosaurs, and the chicken is a very late dinosaur. So simple. Would probably still make a rad video.

[@BarbieDreamDungeon]

I hate arguing with people about that cause they never listen, I have to say over and over "the animal that made the first chicken egg wasn't a chicken, because the first chicken was formed inside the egg" I go on and on about mutations but no one ever gets it

[@tjarkschweizer]

​@@BarbieDreamDungeon Except there was no first chicken. Evolution is too gradual for that.

[@Dreamcass]

I dare a marine biology grad student to argue in their dissertation defense that whales are fish.

[@ClintsReptiles]

I would happily do it.

[@Nmethyltransferase]

Zoologist: "Humans aren't monkeys." Me: "Lovely! So, how much time needs to elapse before we stop being mammals? Vertebrates? Animals?"

[@MrDj232]

You joke, but if humans evolved to no longer have vertebrae would we still count as vertebrates? Obviously Clint's position is that you never evolve out of a clade, but this clade is specifically named for a trait that all members possess. Losing that trait would make it much harder to call us vertebrates despite the common ancestor.

[@ultimatevexation8782]

@@giovannigutierrez6916 or you could in theory transfer your consciousness into a different vessel. if ever a technology or process is discovered in the future. you will be cutting ties with your ancestor by that point. you have now left the monkey family

[@somethingforsenro]

​@@ultimatevexation8782 or… it's just a vertebrate mind in an invertebrate body

[@Mcrawf21]

@@MrDj232 Look at tunicates. They are chordates, but evolved away their notochords. They are more closely related to you and me than they are to lancelets, which are also chordates.

[@somethingforsenro]

​@@MrDj232 hagfish are vertebrates that don't have vertebrae

[@ModernSurvivalSense]

I think I just watched the most passive-aggressive youtube video in the entire history of youtube. 🤣 Great info, as always! 😄👍

[@jeremyjacobite7630]

Excellent video as always, Clint. You remind me of my brilliant, hilarious professor at Nashville Community College Mr. Green who studied under Dr. Pigliucci at UT Knoxville as a herpetologist. Keep up the great work. My five kids love your content.

[@JesusMartinez-rr2ry]

I love that along with the tapping of an aye-aye, you also included "Hakuna Matata" as one of the scariest sounds for a grub to hear.

[@wtm7899ify]

I didn't realize that I could find evolutionary biology any more interesting than I already did. Your enthusiasm is something special. Nobody makes learning as enjoyable as you do.

[@taylortheturtle]

It's true. 😢

[@ChunkOcoal]

This has got to be the most informative video I’ve ever watched on any topic. Great job Clint!

[@jordonking2579]

"You can't evolve out of a clade" is fighting to be the new "mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell"

[@HoboBrute]

Years of Phylogeny videos, and we now know why: Clint put in hundreds of hours of work producing these to Dunk on someone with weird hangups regarding Humans being monkeys Absolutely amazing

[@eric2500]

*new t and sweatshirt logo: Ask yourself the age old question "Am I in Madagascar?" *

[@josephd.5524]

We are definitely monkeys and a five minute trip to any Walmart will prove it.

[@tjh44961]

I don't go to Walmart. The "people" there scare me. They don't wear enough clothing.

[@YochevedDesigns]

Any police bodycam footage will verify.

[@DzinkyDzink]

Why would you dissrespect minimum wage employees that way? 😂

[@falcolf]

Especially with how we immediately get distracted with treats like oreos the moment that we step in the door!

[@tapewerm6716]

@@falcolfNot to mention shiny objects!

[@REIDAE]

so youre telling me, we dont need to return to monke because we are already monke

[@lobban2]

We behave monke so this checks out.

[@JaredQueiroz]

so we're already there all along, I don't need to work so hard anymore

[@cesaralcaraz819]

Yes, we’ve always been monke.

[@vincentpanicucci9118]

Oho oho ah ah ah ah

[@bloxymobile7838]

This is the most effort I’ve ever seen anyone go through in order to make a single point.

[@Ilikebeenz123]

I hope that committee member watches this lol

[@roddo1955]

That committee member is definitely watching this.

[@rogeriopenna9014]

@@roddo1955 that certainty seems to indicate its you

[@roddo1955]

@@rogeriopenna9014 who? Me? I err...I'm.. uh.. I...ahem. w-what makes you say that? ....did someone say something? Because I am definitely not that committee member. I swear! 😉

[@infinitestare]

@@roddo1955 I am Obama

[@roddo1955]

@@infinitestare hello Mr. President! How's Michelle?

[@elapid_skeptic]

32:20 You went there with the ducks. And I’m here to say - I understood that very screwed up joke, good sir. 😂

[@sparkle1596]

yeah i laughed out loud loll

[@prismaticc_abyss]

Bro that professor's points made me furious, how can somebody that dense be in such a position?

[@ClintsReptiles]

It was shocking to hear them again. I didn't remember them being as bad as they were.

[@tyrawr4394]

That was real?! I thought it was just a re-enactment

[@ezlo90]

Clint and Forrest Valkai talking about evolution, would be the best crossover in the KZbin verse.

[@TheMilkMan8008]

You need to throw in Erika as well.

[@Dustinmilk3921]

​@@TheMilkMan8008 I love Gutsick Gibbon

[@pierreblignaut5859]

@@TheMilkMan8008 Erika is cool, but Forrest and Clint both have this kinda manic excitement when they talk.

[@TheMilkMan8008]

@@pierreblignaut5859 so does Erika. She's done videos with Forrest and call in shows with him. She just isn't as bubbly of a person.

[@vansnakenstein5149]

Or Clint and Aron Ra, who has some amazing phylogeny videos.

[@DaydreamingRatMan]

The entire Aye-Aye section had me CACKLING. Had to pause the video with how hard I laughed when “but why be they crazy clint?”

[@creativedesignation7880]

"Do we need to verify this with AI" is an incredibly funny sentence to me. You could just aswell try to "verify" things by rolling a few dice.

[@owenb19]

that clip was so hard to watch. you were being SO specific about what you meant by monkeys and it was like you were talking to a brick wall

[@roddo1955]

I hate when people realise they don't understand the question and then just start stonewalling because they are afraid to look stupid. A simple: "can you break the question down for me? Ah OK, I understand what you're proposing, now. Go ahead, Im listening"

[@azhdarchidae66]

am i alone here in thinking his confusion wasnt all that wrong, and could have been cleared up with a simple namedropping of the scientific name of the "monkey clade"?

[@lbow5479]

@@azhdarchidae66 No, I agree. Asking for more clarity in the presentation of your argument is understandable and if you can't communicate your thesis clearly that's kinda on you. His tone of voice could've been less judgmental, I suppose, and maybe there was more to the situation than that one interaction that led to 'ruining a year of Clint's life'.

[@PastaMachine2077]

I appreciate seeing a clip from your dissertation. Your demeaner during your videos is always so confident and self assured, it's good to see you pacing nervously in front of that committee. Makes you feel so much more relatable. If I wind up going for a doctorate at some point it'll help me feel less nervous to know that people like you were in the same position as me.

[@KalebPeters99]

Awesome video, this distinction had always confused me, glad to have it cleared up 🙏

[@andrewscoppetta4944]

Clint: “…because that’s the way that monophyly works.” *mic drop* Nice 🤜🏻 It must feel good to get that off your chest after all this time

[@barneylaurance1865]

...but the word monkey does not generally refer to any monophyletic group.

[@isaacbruner65]

​@@barneylaurance1865words can have multiple meanings. In common usage, monkey refers to all primates of the given lineage apart from apes. But in a phylogenetic usage, if it is to have any meaning at all it MUST include apes.

[@ambisinisterr5735]

Great video Clint! I think this is finally the video I can share with people I know that, for some reason, will accept evolution but exclude humans from animals and apes while somehow accepting that humans are mammals. You did a wonderful job laying out the logic that gets us there without any derision which is so rare and hard to achieve in these discussions. Thank you!

[@fueeegooo]

This is the most illustrative, informative and entertaining REVANGE video I've ever seen in any platform 😂

[@Kakashiownsyou]

There is a very dope line reading by Venom in the 90’s Spider-Man cartoon about all the generations of life since the beginning of time, “ALL WITH A SINGLE GOAL: TO. *SSSSUURRRRVIIIIIVE*” It would make a rad cut-in is all lol. That show ruled and the Venom arc was, of course, its best season

[@windhelmguard5295]

well it's to survive long enough to shag, but i get you.

[@whjk83921]

FYI, because you included the guy's voice, people, if they are motivated enough can figure out his identity. You may want to consider uploading an altered version of his voice if you really care to anonymize him. So you got your phd delayed by this one guy on your committee being 'not wanting to believe' a logical deduction from definitions? That... is a bummer... What a story... Wish me luck not encountering similar resistance in my phd. As always, thanks for a great video. You are a gem.

[@bullsbarry]

There are competing views on phylogeny and this is one of the "hot zones" between them.

[@presidentbutterpudding4025]

@@bullsbarry you mean science deniers are upset at the idea that humans are monkeys. science denial has become an ever-present threat in every level of society

[@monicagillick7734]

I wish I could afford to support you if for no other reason than to listen to the rant you referred to. I LOVE this video, it was absolutely beautiful! Thank you so much for creating this series, I always love learning and you are quite educational. I also adore your personality and humor. That's what keeps me coming back for more! This is quality 'television' !

[@darkwynggryph]

I think the question “are humans monkeys?” is only controversial because of the weird fur-less apes developing one heck of a superiority complex over time 🤷🏽‍♀️ (Edited because my dumb simian brain switched the monkey-human question around as I was typing 🤣)

[@Rx2equalsRR]

Agreed, though i do feel the need to mention humans being monkeys and monkeys being humans is not the same thing, all humans are monkeys and some monkeys are humans but not all monkeys are humans

[@darkwynggryph]

@@Rx2equalsRR I just noticed I switched the monkey-human thing around when typing 😅

[@Rx2equalsRR]

@@darkwynggryph I suspected that was what happened, happens to the best of us

[@Codeexcited]

I don't really agree. I think that you can resolve the Simiiformes clade either by saying that all Simians are monkeys or by saying that Platyrrhini are Simians but not monkeys. And since we have the word Simians why not use it?

[@vikingskuld]

Sorry we don't have a common ancestor with apes. There is bo proof of it.

[@YochevedDesigns]

Hey hey we're the Monkees! I gotta say, that the Skeletor dance was the most random thing I've seen in just about EVER.

[@chickenfist1554]

"bUt iF wE cAmE fRoM mOnKeYs, wHy aRe tHeRe sTiLl mOnKeYs?" 😆

[@angeloalvarez5520]

They're so ignorant they ask questions like that instead of trying to understand

[@beclouise8686]

Oh Clint. The sass in this video! Love it. Ayes ayes and tarsiers have a soft spot in my heart. Who doesn't love a little scrunchy gremlin like that?! Also in full support of a lemurs video! I had no idea they diversified like that! Makes me wonder how far they might have gone when I compare them to Australia's unique fauna 😊

[@thylascene]

The skrunkliest of creatures :)

[@bricehinkle1672]

You read my mind Clint. I was looking through the phylogeny of primates on wikipedia literally 2 days ago

[@TheMilkMan8008]

We evolved from a common ancestor. Monkeys fall into two groups, the Old World monkeys and the New World monkeys. Apes and Old World monkeys are more closely related to one another than either is to New World monkeys. There are similarly Great Apes, Chimps, Gorillas, Orangutans and Humans, as well as the Lesser Apes, Gibbons. The last common ancestor of a chimp or gibbon and a baboon or macaque would have struck an observer as an Old World monkey but would not have belonged to any modern "monkey" genus or species. "Monkey” is not a scientific term. In science, there are rules that govern what things are. This is called taxonomy. Evolution works via a population adapting over time to better fit environmental pressures. It's not a cat becoming a dog. In biology, you never outgrow your ancestors. You are what your ancestors were. You can never leave your order, only further specialize. So you belong to the taxonomic groups that your ancestors belong to, and if two species belong to a taxonomic group, then their last common ancestor must also belong to that group. This is called a nested hierarchy. "Monkey” violates the rules of taxonomy as it exludes some members of its order, that being primates. Apes are excluded here, and that is a violation. In science, we use the term “simian” to refer to this proper group instead. “simiiforme” essentially means all monkeys, including the apes, beaucse they must be included according to the rules of taxonomy. Apes evolved from earlier simiiformes. So, according to taxonomy, apes are simiiformes. Since “simian” is the scientific term for “monkey”, you could informally say that apes are monkeys. If we trace back generations between humans and chimps until we reach our common ancestor, that animal was an ape, not any modern species, but it was absolutely an ape. Humans absolutely evolved from apes. Humans and our fellow apes share a common ancestor, and that exact same pattern works with apes and monkeys. If you trace back generations between apes and monkeys until you reach our common ancestor, that creature was a "monkey." It was not a monkey of any current species, but it was absolutely a monkey. Apes absolutely evolved from monkeys. Apes and monkeys share a common ancestor. If you trace back generations of monkeys and lemurs until you reach a common ancestor, that creature probably didn’t look enough like a lemur to be considered a lemur. It looked much more like a treeshrew and was likely similar to the plesiadapiforms. So this pattern does change to some degree, but looks only play a small part in identifying a creature. So when we look back on the line of descent, it goes like this. You have basal primates like plesiadapiforms split into haplorhines and strepsirrhines. Strepsirrhines continue to do their own thing and further specialize in their own way. Haplorhines split into simiiformes(Monkeys and Apes) and tarsiiformes(Tarsiers). Tarsiiformes continue to do their own thing and split into their own specialized groups. Basal simiiformes end up in different ecosystems, and due to different pressures, they split into platyrrhines(the New World Monkeys) and catarrhines. The New World Monkeys continue to do their own thing and further specialize in their own way. The basal catarrhines end up in different ecosystems, and due to different pressures, they split into cercopithecoidea(the Old World Monkeys) and hominoidea(Apes). Hominoidea then further split into hylobatidae(Lesser Apes) or Gibbons and hominidae(Great apes). Gibbons are like our third cousins. The hominids split into homininae(African Apes) and ponginae(Asian Apes), which is what would later become Gigantopithecus and Orangutans who are like our second cousins. Homininae split into Gorillini, which is what would become Gorillas, who are the next to split and like our first cousins and hominini. Hominini would would beocme the ancestor of Humans and our siblings, the Panins(Chimps and Bonobos). Sahelanthropus tchadensis is what we currently believe to be the last common ancestor we shared with Panins 6-7 million years ago. It lived at the right time, it had the right characteristics, and it lived in the African Rift Valley when it would be split. This is what would cause the split into Panins and our line. They would become ardipithecines, australopithecines, paranthropines, and homo among other things. Within our common ancestor with the panins, A change in the environment leads to one group to stay in the dense jungle habitat, and another group who ends up in an environment shifting into a savanna which would later be known as the East African Rift Valley. Those of our ancestor who stayed in the jungle clung to their arboreal lifestyle and further specialized and did their own thing for a while until they ended up as modern Chimps and Bonobos. Those of our ancestors who were forced into a shifting savanna clung to arboreal life as long as they could as we see by a slowly shifting pelvis and loss of opposable toes, and would eventually be obligate bipeds who have no choice but to stay on the ground with little to no trees. Those who could walk and run better on the ground survived and passed on their genes. Over time, we would specialize further and further from Australopithecines to basal members of the Genus Homo and finally to modern Humans. All of the groups I listed here have their own further specializations and modern extant species. This is JUST me focusing on humans, so I won't explain the other groups' lineage.

[@TheMilkMan8008]

When I hear people say they are not animals or apes, I like to say this. Well, you, I assume, at least, are alive. And being alive, you can only fit into a few categories. You have a lot of cells, and those cells have membrane bound organelles and nuclei, which rules out Archaea and Bacteria right away. You also don't have cell walls, and I'm CERTAIN you can't photosynthesize, so Plant is out of the question as well. Your body isn't constructed of a filamentous network, and you don't reproduce by spores or budding, so Fungi goes out of the window. That only leaves one option. Animals. Humans are animals. What kind of animals are we? Well, we lactate, and we have hair, so that makes us mammals. What kind of mammals are we? We have these fingernails and these crazy thumbs so, almost certain that we are primates. What kind of primates are we? Well, we have really, really good shoulder joints and no tails, so we are apes. Humans are great apes. Put simply, humans are animals. We move too much to plants, and we are too big to be bacteria. I can put it more complex, though. We are Eukaryotes, organisms made of one or more nucleated cells with their nuclei inside a nuclear envelope. We are Animals as we can't produce our own energy, utilize oxygen, sexual reproduction, and have cell membranes instead of cell walls. We are Chordates because we have nerve chords and a post ventral heart. We are Vertebrates because our spinal chord is protected by our vertebrae. We are Mammals because we are covered in body hair, females of our species can produce milk, we have a four chambered heart and three ear bones. We are Eutherians because we have a bellybutton, indicative of our ability to give birth to live young. We are Primates as we have large brains relative to our body size, we have dexterous hands, highly flexible shoulders, and binocular color vision. We are Haplorhines because we can't syntheze our own vitamin c, we have dry noses rather than wet, and we also don't have split lips, although we do have the remnants of one. We are Simiiformes, anthropoid primates with complex social systems with which we communicate with others, we have unique structures with regard to our hind feet, teeth, orbits, and a larger brain to body ratio. We are Catarrhinis as we have nostrils pointing down, we have a 2-1-2-3 dental format, and we lack prehensile tails. We are also Hominids as we have a Y5 shaped molar pattern, even more reduced caudal vertebrae, and an increased ability for bipedality. Now we reach Hominines. Hominins use tools, we all have a proto culture in which we teach tool use to our young, we all have these long gestational periods of 8-9 months and long parental care periods to nurture our big brains. We are, of course, the genus Homo, and we are the species Sapien. I could explain all of these in far more detail as they are all defined by large suites of characteristics, but I think you get the point. We are animals, specifically apes.

[@TheMilkMan8008]

In every taxonomic level, we have suites of characteristics, as you explained here. The Domain Eukarya is defined by large cells, a true nucleus, and membrane bound organelles, among other things. In taxonomy, the levels of life are: Domain Kingdom Phylum Class Order Family Genus Species All animals follow this, but it's slightly different for different types of life. Humans are: Domain- Eukarya Kingdom- Animalia Phylum- Chordata Class- Mammalia Order- Primate Family- Hominidae Genus- Homo Species- sapien There are various other levels within these levels. You have Super, Sub, Parv, and Infra, which are the most common you'll see. There are also Clades and Tribes. Primates, for example, have two extant Suborders, Haplorhini and Strepsirrhini. We are Haplorhines. Within the Suborder Haplorhini, we have two Infraorders, Tarsiiformes and Simiiformes. We are Simiiformes. All of these levels have lists of characteristics that define them. I recommend a video by Gutsick Gibbon where she walks you through how Nested Hierarchies work for anybody curious about this in more detail.

[@TheMilkMan8008]

Fish are a good example for this. What are the types of fish? Well, you have to start with the rest of their taxonomy first. All fish are: Domain- Eukarya Kingdom- Animalia Phylum- Chordata Subphylum- Vertebrata Now we hit a split. Some vertebrates have jaws, and others don't. Jawless fish such as lamprey and hagfish are in the Infraphylum- Agnatha. They then split into their own individual Class, Order, Family, Genus and Species from there. The other branch is vertebrates with jaws. These are in the Infraphylum- Gnathostomata. From Gnathostomata, there is another split. You have the Class- Chondrichthyes, which are cartilaginous fish such as sharks, rays, skates, sawfish, and chimaeras, which all then split into their own individual Order, Family, Genus and Species' from there. You also have the Superclass- Osteichthyes, which are bony fish. Within Osteichthyes, you have a split into two more Classes. Class- Actinopterygians, ray finned fish which are most fish today you'll think of, and Class- Sarcopterygians, lobe finned fish. An example of ray finned fish is clownfish, and an example of lobe finned fish is lungfish. Each of these then split into their own individual Order, Family, Genus and Species' from there. So, as said, all fish are: Domain- Eukarya Kingdom- Animalia Phylum- Chordata Subphylum- Vertebrata A cartilaginous fish such as a sand tiger shark is: Domain- Eukarya Kingdom- Animalia Phylum- Chordata Class- Chondrichthyes Order- Lamniformes Family- Odontaspididae Genus- Carcharias Species: taurus A ray finned fish like the ocellaris clownfish is: Domain- Eukarya Kingdom- Animalia Phylum- Chordata Class- Actinopterygii Order- Perciformes Family- Pomacentridae Genus- Amphiprion Species: ocellaris And a lobe finned fish like a Queensland lungfish is: Domain- Eukarya Kingdom- Animalia Phylum- Chordata Class- Sarcopterygii Order- Ceratodontiformes Family- Neoceratodontidae Genus- Neoceratodus Species: forsteri Notice how they are all still in the Kingdom of Animalia. Similarly, insects are also animals. Anything that is in the Domain Eucarya, but not a Fungi, Plant, or Protist is a... Animal!

[@JohnEng1994]

We are also technically fish. It would also be informal, but it is fun to say. Sarcopterygian would be the correct term, I believe

[@davidcopplestone6266]

Clint has started strong this month. I can't wait for next week's video.

[@robinredbeard]

Well...I have been known to correct people who call apes "monkeys", so, perhaps, I should avoid doing that from now on. I really, REALLY appreciate a thoughtful, logical presentation of an idea. Thanks so very much!!

[@thatpandaz6094]

Now you can correct people who say apes are not monkeys

[@robinredbeard]

😆👍

[@brooksrownd2275]

Depends on how the term "monkey" is defined. I don't think most of us have thought it was meant to be so expansive that it described an entire lineage.

[@tristanridley1601]

Monkeys is the label attached to two closely related clades which are also related to apes. Or they are the clade that includes apes (making simians a totally redundant word). Both perspectives are reasonable.

[@robinredbeard]

@@tristanridley1601 It really is about perspective, we're all fish too. That helps get a certain idea across, but is uninformative when trying to look at other relationships.

[@AbhiN_1289]

A cercopithecoid snatched my glasses in India. I love Rhesus Monkeys. I got it back, but we had to buy a snack for it to trade.

[@Kaeracter]

Excluding the overtly funny Who Would Win and Halloween Skeleton videos, this was one of the funniest videos you've made, team Clint! I laughed out loud several times, chuckling at the various digs and chides and outright jokes in this one. Good job all. Wonderful!

[@nathankerns6501]

This is probably my favorite video on all of KZbin. I have learned so much and had fun doing it! 👍👍

[@luisa.acevedo3326]

Fun thing about the Aye Aye, primates and rodents belong to the Euarchontoglires that is a clade and a superorder of mammals, the living members of which belong to one of the five following groups: rodents, lagomorphs, treeshrews, primates, and colugos.

[@DJFracus]

Why did you specify the Aye Aye then say a fact that applies to any primate?

[@zainab58]

The first thing you notice about tarsiers is ... ... that they’re f$$$ing *adorable*.

[@Taraeth]

Fun fact, in Germany we have made this much easier. Because the translation of the word ape is "Affe". The translation for the word monkey is also "Affe". We simply do not distinguish, so we know that we are Affen and monkeys and apes are Affen. Maybe you should've just started talking German to your professor.

[@mastabas]

Video should be titled "In which Clint finally gets the last laugh"

[@gambitaku6179]

Frieza gonna be wildin when he sees this video 😂

[@PrimetimeBJJ]

"Stupid monkey" - Frieza probably

[@Aleiza_49]

"Side pipes like a Dodge Viper." 😂 I love this channel.

[@gambitaku6179]

"Reject humanity return to monke" ❌️ "Reject Monke return to monke" ✅️

[@benjaminscullion7624]

I can't understand why this channel doesn't have millions of subscribers. Clint makes my day.

[@benjaminscullion7624]

Rather absurdly, I admit, I very much appreciated getting the Clint stamp of approval on my original post. And while I doubt that Clint is combing through the comments section personally, I am grateful that one of the crew saw fit to like my post. Keep up the excellent work! (On the videos, comments be damned)

[@nobody.of.importance]

I feel like you and Forrest Valkai would get along great. Ya both have a very excited and exuberant presentation style and I love it.

[@artifalse]

BECAUSE WHY HAVE I BEEN THINKING THIS SINCE I DISCOVERED THIS CHANNEL

[@GustavSvard]

I've tried to get ChatGPT to agree a very similar point: If there is a clade called Fish that include all what we usually call fishes, back to the last common ancestor for that whole group, and all the descendents of that last common ancestor - then a dolphin is a fish. ChatGPT just won't concede this is true caldistically.

[@psxtuneservice]

That is interesting

[@Codeexcited]

Why not just say that there is no clade "fish" because fish is not a technical word. It's the same thing as is tomato a fruit. Botanical fruit =/= culinary fruit, and culinary vegetable just = a non woody plant part botanically.

[@mandowarrior123]

​@@Codeexcitedif I concede tomatoes are a culinary vegetable, I still win the fruit on pizza debate because olives are fruit. And italians put pear on their pizza. Vegetable includes all plants though. Vegetable/animal/mineral situation.

[@mystra13]

You had me laughing way more than usual with this vid! If I ever had any doubt humans were related to monkeys it was completely smashed upon finding one of my uncle's hospital baby pictures. In general I think 90% of new borns resemble monkeys in some way but it's astonishing how some just look like one completely.

[@EG-hy9mv]

Lmao your poor uncle

[@EG-hy9mv]

Lmao your poor uncle

[@mystra13]

@@EG-hy9mv Oh yeah, my cousins and I have him h3ll over it. 🤣

[@sydhenderson6753]

Slightly before they start looking like little Winston Churchills.

[@MattMcIrvin]

corollary: monkeys look like Winston Churchill

[@gordonmorris6359]

It's a well known fact that the clade of the animals includes the ants, the scorpions, the crickets, the fish, the blowfish, the eagles, seagulls, crows, yardbirds, horses, government mule, whitesnake, stray cats, pussycats, the gorillaz, the monkees, the beatles, T. Rex, and they all made great music.

[@Max88188]

Pretty sure Bob is my uncle

[@Max88188]

Now my joke sucks. Thanks title change

[@supportiveduck]

@@Max88188 at least bobs your uncle

[@tjh44961]

Mine, too.

[@rexzillinsky1706]

All my uncles are Bobs

[@andressigalat602]

And I'm a monkeys uncle. Two very cute and smart monkeys, in fact.

[@fauwckspause]

Laughing at how you say we need vitamin c while I happen to be eating a tangerine lmao

[@perkytxgirl]

All of these argument start because people mix common names with Phylogenetic clades. They argue that “mammals are fish or there are no fish”. Well, no. Fish is a perfectly good common English word but it is NOT a scientific clade. (tetrapods are in a clad that includes things we definitely call fish, sure). No one is trying to put cuddlefish or crayfish in the same clade as vertebrates just because they have “fish” in their common names. The same goes for tree. There is not a Phylogenetic clade of trees but it a perfectly good English word that we understand. Maybe monkey isn’t really a scientific word either. I didn’t know until this video just how distantly “new world monkeys” where from “old world monkeys.” I’m not sure I get why people care so much but I’m well aware that just putting humans in the same clade as great apes was controversial in its time (not that long ago really!) so I can’t say I’m surprised that people don’t want to group humans with monkeys. It is very obvious that whatever we call the most recent common ancestor of old world monkeys and apes (a simiiform), it would have looked more like a ‘monkey’ than an ape. Duh.

[@MireVale]

Ray, when someone asks you if you’re a monkey you say.. YES!!

[@julianbrelsford]

The "one year of your life" quote from Princess Bride was stinkin rad🤩😂

[@ZeMarkKrazee]

Thank you for taking the time to create this video. It’s amazing the level of pushback that people seem to have for labeling humans as monkeys. I honestly don’t understand it. Some people react quite aggressively to it as well haha. I’ve had many arguments going step-by-step, just like you, proving humans must be monkeys. 👍🏻

[@panthony1525]

Can we see a video on Otters, and just because, a video on humans too, on how handleable they are, how much would it cost to keep one, the up-keep, all the usual pre-requisites.

[@mackerelle9789]

There's a human video already! It was a Father's Day one within the last 3 years or so.

[@joeyk9441]

​@@mackerelle9789yeah, and I can confirm, human children are the worst pet mammals.

[@necromanticer169]

"They're 'screwed' up. 😃" That's a sick joke 😂