Carnivora - In a World With Cats, How Do Dogs Survive?

[@ClintsReptiles]

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[@Wolfie54545]

You didn’t do extinct families, but I think it’s relevant to mention that out of the 6 groups of animals to develop Saber-Teeth, 3 of them are in Feliformia. Edit: If you did go over the extinct Nimravidae and Barbourofelidae, cats wouldn’t appear as “hagfish” as they did in the video.

[@HassanMohamed-rm1cb]

Hey Clint Laidlaw, Why don't you get to think of a suggestion and creating a KZbin Videos all about the 🐺🦊🐶🐕🦮🐕‍🦺🐩Canine Group (Wild Dogs And Domestic Dogs)🐺🦊🐶🐕🦮🐕‍🦺🐩 on the next Clint's Reptiles on the next Saturday coming up next?!⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️👍👍👍👍👍

[@HassanMohamed-rm1cb]

Hey Clint Laidlaw, Why don't you get to think of a suggestion and creating a KZbin Videos all about the 🦁🐯🐅🐆🐈🐈‍⬛🐱Feline Group 🦁(Wild Cats, Big Cats, And Saber Toothed Cats) 🐯🐅🐆🐈🐈‍⬛🐱, on the next Clint's Reptiles on the next Saturday coming up next?!⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️👍👍👍👍👍

[@Wolfie54545]

@@HassanMohamed-rm1cbI will be harshly judging this to make sure he gets it correct. There will be no “clouded leopards are saber toothed cats” when I’m around. I will also be closely watching to see if he gets Saber Toothed cats correct. Doing a Phylogeny of cats would be difficult because he’d have to go over Pseudaelurus-Grade cats.

[@kennethmullen-qe9hg]

You had me rollin' (down the street stokin' niche trolls) this episode lol! Maybe the funniest video I've seen from you! Really cranked that JOKE DIAL up to eleven, today, my friend! Some good chivznet! Definitely am looking forward to the other half of it! :o)

[@laurawright719]

1:30 to quote Casual Geographic, "An herbivore is only as vegetarian as it's options"

[@1mrcow143]

Casual Geographic is awesome

[@ClintsReptiles]

That's a good way of putting it.

[@benad3576]

@@ClintsReptiles I would love to see you react to that guy. Casual Geographic has some good videos on all kinds of cats that roar and cats that purr

[@cuddlecows]

Very true. Diets a spectrum. And that's coming from a strict vegan who is an animal nerd. Horses be sucking up mice sometimes. 😂😂 That video still haunts me. 😂😂

[@zombiedoggie2732]

I wonder what'd happen if Casual Geographic and Clint's Reptiles team up for a video?

[@TheGesterr]

NO WAY CLINT JUST SAID "WHAT'S UP MY NICHES" LMAOOOO

[@AngryKnees]

the sheer caucasity

[@larachaplauske8818]

Beat me to it.​@@AngryKnees

[@ShaneWalta]

I choked when I heard that 😂

[@alicecain4851]

Yeah... I totally died!😂😂😂

[@lingus1382]

I love Clint. Truly a great educator and entertainer lmao

[@xion1629]

"What's up my niches!" Needs to be the next piece of merch 😂

[@ClintsReptiles]

That would be so niche!

[@nicolegoodew1547]

​@@ClintsReptiles 🤣 nice

[@qlum]

What's up my hagfish of niches!

[@Nick-Nasty]

And they diversified all of that hizzy!

[@sirrickthe2nd583]

I'd buy it

[@anniecampbell3170]

instead of saying civets look like stretched out cats we should be saying cats look like compressed civets

[@AdrianneJH]

I subscribed. Gimme my kitty video. Got sucked in by amphibian compare/contrasts and then hagfish but I think evolution was what originally brought me here months ago. And now I'm looking forward to kitties Sorry it took me so long to realize I wasn't subscribed. Your videos are great

[@Wolfie54545]

Wait until you see Nimravids and Barbourofelids.

[@khoahthong4434]

Ya. I want people to say that other animals are the breaking apart of a platypus instead of the platypus being a combination of other animals.

[@kyachdistent1301]

Only civets are nicer.

[@davemccage7918]

Ummm…. Snake-Cat?

[@hanshotfirst686]

15:22 Clint: Nobody calls multiple meerkats MeerKitties.... Me: Until now!

[@therongjr]

Thus it has been resolved!

[@ClintsReptiles]

Let the movement begin!

[@js66613]

My thoughts exactly!

[@Helgatwb]

This 😂

[@TravellingTortuga]

I will always say Mongeese.

[@Thats_Cam04]

Honestly clint i love the longer phylogeny videos, I actually understand it when you explain everything

[@pixiesouter9461]

"what's up my niches" caught me so off guard I nearly spat out my quiche 😂😂😂😂 Clint. You owe me a quiche.

[@KimJuaniLLy1]

I wasnt ready 😂

[@munafruit]

i choked on my crumpet we deserve compensation

[@Khunai.]

I had walked into the other room with my headset on and stopped what I was doing to come back in, rewind, and make sure I heard that right 😂

[@Taschenschieber]

I hope you pronounce "quiche" like "kwitch"

[@pixiesouter9461]

@@Taschenschieber I will now.

[@Timelost_Techpriest]

Housecats are kind of a fascinating case. The relationship between humans and cats is one of the most purely mutualist in the anthrosphere. Humans gain pest control, the cats, while people usually think they gain food, actually gain the security of being admitted into the territory of the most aggressively territorial vertebrate on the planet, while historically neither really gave up anything. Food isn't really an issue for housecats, they're supreme generalist small predators and finding prey really isn't that much of a problem for them, but having the things that prey on them held at bay by the almost Hymenopteran territorial aggression that H. Sapiens manifest in larger groups is an _immense_ benefit.

[@LS-xy7zt]

That's an amazing take I'd never considered. I'd always heard/assumed that as agriculture developed, rodents came for the grain stores and cats came for the rodents, then just stuck around. But there undeniably is an advantage of being in the good graces of a territorial, aggressive, and capable species. Cats deal with the vermin that we're too big to effectively handle, and we deal with vermin big enough to threaten both of us.

[@leilavalens3617]

Dogs may be Man’s best friend, but cats are Man’s coolest neighbor.

[@latieplolo]

In the regions where cats originally "domesticated" themselves, there's an even better reason for us to appreciate their company. I'd have a huge love of any animal that kept scorpions and venomous snakes away from the places where my children play

[@Nutmeg142]

They are also one of the largest invasive species in the world.

[@ptorq]

@@Nutmeg142 Cats or humans? An argument could be made for either.

[@Epicness54]

"If you're going to be killed and eaten by a mammal it's probably one of these guys" Sir I do not see Hippos here.

[@ClintsReptiles]

"And eaten". But even still. I didn't think hippos would beat this entire clade.

[@Epicness54]

@@ClintsReptiles do hippos not eat the people that they kill? I would assume an animal like a hippo likely isn’t very picky

[@MumrikDK]

They're mainly herbivores, but very territorial and quite aggressive. Beyond attacking boats that get close, they apparently raid farms and end up fighting humans for the crops.

[@astrinymris9953]

He did only say "probably". 😆

[@TiggerIsMyCat]

Nope, Hippo will 100% kill you, but it won't eat you. Pure herbivores. They kill you because they're extremely territorial and aggressive, and they can. Hippos are like FINISH HIM. They look at you and see no hunger, but hatred. They absolutely WANT you dead. They'll kill you to get you out of their space, and probably save your body for the crocodiles, who WILL eat a body floating in the water. Just stay out of the river. 😂

[@jleer6178]

Keep 'Em Seperated... and there goes a nice mouthful of coffee right out my nose. God love a geek! LOL!

[@F_ERAL]

Glad I'm not the only one. 🤙

[@jleer6178]

@@F_ERAL 🤙

[@liambohl]

This is the third place I've heard that line in as many days

[@jleer6178]

@@liambohl And we all know your only hobby, besides imitating coprilytes, is to harass random people on social media. Not gonna spoil my day.

[@paulaccuardi9071]

Come out and play

[@Hi_Im_Akward]

That clip of the tiger attacking the man on the elephant is absolute nightmare fuel.

[@thewerewolfofwaggawagga8818]

you should see the one of a tiger chasing a guy on a motorbike

[@rickh3714]

​@@thewerewolfofwaggawagga8818 Saw that a day or two back. A YT short I think from Thailand? Terrifying. People should also remember a certain pugilist MikeT hugging a large tiger & what it did to someone else ( less pugilistically proportioned ?) some time later! Not that even Mr Tyson could have stood much of a chance if it had turned on him back then.

[@Frostfern94]

Absolutely

[@bb1111116]

Yes, terrifying. Reminds me of the tiger attack in the movie, Apocalypse Now. Incredible animals which deserve fear, respect and preservation.

[@trenaareen1216]

There's an entire wikipedia article on man-eating tigers. Tigers give no fucks. They eat what they want. Weirdly they also end up being quite friendly when tamed though? Especially compared with the other big cats, the tigers tend to be very affectionate and sweet in captivity.

[@Olivescat]

"The hagfishes of mongooses" is a quote i want embroidered on my bathroom wall

[@genlisae]

Got to the part where Clint said Felidae are intelligent, turned to my cats and said "Hear that? You are supposed to be smart," and one of them promptly licked the door.

[@hereticFox716]

I can not imagine a more perfect situation of events

[@2ndAmendmenttillIDie]

😂

[@lenon3579ify]

It is actually trying to play dumb. They understood you and proceeded to do exactly something that you would find dumb.

[@sephikong8323]

Cats' intelligence is wild, they can act like the most clueless of dimwits then all of a sudden surprise you by figuring out stuff they have no business to whilst you were not looking. I'm sure them being dumb is just a ploy so that we lower our guard (that or they need to give their braincells a few days to recharge after every smart action)

[@thiemokellner1893]

It just outsmarted you, as ... you didn't get the point in licking the door. Don't blame it for being smarter than me. 😂

[@sparkyfister]

You are my Saturday morning cartoons.

[@machematix]

I'm 38 and I watch Clint on Saturday mornings in bed and get excited. I just have black coffee instead of cereal.

[@rantingrodent416]

I enjoy the fact that these videos always consist of something like 10-15% roasting of morphology, by air time.

[@usonumabeach300]

I love that I'm getting etymology lessons from a biologist. This is why Clint is a treasure. Sincerely, an English major

[@imlivinlikelarry6672]

I have a question Niche is viewed as an unadapted borrowing from French (this is just what Google says), meaning it hasn't been conformed to the target language of English Wouldn't this mean that the initial pronunciation of "nitch" *was* incorrect and should have been "neesh"? Obviously now it isn't incorrect As an example, schadenfreude is an unadapted borrowing from German, and in English it's still pronounced like the German word

[@pixiesouter9461]

@@imlivinlikelarry6672 technically both would be considered correct in English, as when borrowing words from other languages it was common to "anglosize" (pretty sure I'm spelling that wrong 😂) them. So, either would work.

[@Lowlandlord]

If it was an etymology lesson he would have taught us that English got the word "niche" from French, and that it would have sounded different from how he says it in both languages at the time, and that French got it from other Romance languages and it's ultimate origin was Latin, nidus, which also didn't sound like the way he says it. Love Clint, but what he gave was an explanation for his pronunciation, he did not touch on the etymology of the word, and his argument for how it was historically pronounced in English is without a solid foundation.

[@objective_psychology]

@@imlivinlikelarry6672 It is morphologically adapted though. So the only sense in which it's unadapted would be the pronunciation, in which case /niʃ/ is a more recent unadapted borrowing event

[@objective_psychology]

@@Lowlandlord “got it from other Romance languages” LOL, you mean inherited it from its ancestors. What does that have to do with anything though?

[@nataschavisser573]

A group of my friends went camping once and we had a carrot cake. A piece of cake was left on the plate and a civit started approaching it like it was stalking prey. It was so cute - its little ears, the serious way it was stalking the cake etc. - we were all cooing. Then suddenly it barred its teeth and jumped on the cake, claws out. It was the only real life jump scare I have ever had. Edit: now I don't know if it was a civit or not. It was in the Western Cape and it was a little mongoose-cat thing with round ears and spots.

[@fixedwithglue]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genet_(animal) :) , an amazing animal, a rare find in the western cape, consider your very self lucky :)

[@emri4454]

Clint your passion and enthusiasm not only for educating people, but especially when talking about animals. I always love seeing a new video from you, every time I learn something new and that's pretty neat

[@sarahsander785]

A really cool thing about hyenas is the fact, that there are African villages that throw out their leftovers to attract Hyaenas to the outskirts. The hyaenas in turn hold lions and especially leopards at bay, keeping the village safe.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

Hyenas are indeed the dogs of the cats. Even their relationship with humans is much like the early dog-human relationship.

[@cathleenc6943]

"This is a panda! It's a bear. And this is a panda! It's not a bear." That was so funny I had to run it back twice just to watch it again, I was laughing so hard! 😂🤣😂🤣

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

And they look like their relatives, racoons and weasels, much more than like bears. It's like if you cross a racoon with a fix.

[@redhotdevilwoman03]

Oh Clint. The Offspring reference made me spit out my drink. And the outtakes are so funny too. love love love from Canada

[@bananatassium7009]

"What's up my niches!" was so jarring coming from clint that i can't help but respect it

[@averyvanderlouw1193]

I remember interning at a zoo when I was in highschool and whenever people would ask me about “black panthers” I’d have to prepare myself to explain “that could basically mean any big cat that’s melanistic”. People generally weren’t too happy with that explanation

[@Wolfie54545]

Wait until you tell them Cougars and Cheetahs aren’t big cats but Clouded Leopards are.

[@malkomalkavian]

What was the question?

[@Frostfern94]

Yeah, it is interesting to try and explain

[@MaximRecoil]

“that could basically mean any big cat that’s melanistic”. It means a melanistic leopard or jaguar. No other melanistic big cats (panthera genus) have ever been documented.

[@Mick116]

@12:19, “What’s up my niches”. OMG. Instant cringe, and instant like. Well done, sir. Well done.

[@ClintsReptiles]

The bifecta!

[@alicemilton8756]

So much information in this one! I like that each opposite side produced an animal that became an excellent house pet 🐶🐱

[@AlmightyRawks]

About seven years ago I visited the Natural History Museum in London, but in my attempt to escape large groups of school children (please kids, learn all there is! It's just very noisey for me

[@piers_bellman]

that's my favourite museum in the world!

[@thygrrr]

Hyenas and Dogs: "You can run, but you can't hide." Cheetahs: "You can't run."

[@nicolegoodew1547]

Clint: No one calles them Merekitties Me: I am now 😂

[@ClintsReptiles]

My work here is done!

[@thanatonyxmoura]

Carnivora is probably my favorite order of mammals. I'm so excited to see an episode on them!

[@mittenstheninja626]

I read the comments so I saw the “what’s up my niches” coming but that delivery still made me guffaw. Will have to work that into daily conversation somehow

[@egg_bun_]

SAME

[@SonLucasX]

I'm from Brazil 🇧🇷 and when I saw this video here on the channel I immediately thought about Jaguarundi, I thought "this isn't a fossa" but I still had doubts

[@Malvikins]

The eyelids of all French speakers watching this video: *twiche* Also super excited for all the carnivoran content! Looking forward to the caniforms!

[@LS-xy7zt]

*tweesh*

[@toubi4316]

I have met some extremely friendly cats, like one who would meow incessantly until they got petted.

[@andressigalat602]

Yeah, my niece had one of those. She always referred to her as "my catdog". 😄

[@retsaMinnavoiG]

Yeh they're a rarity but I've seen cats straight up playing fetch, swimming, going for walks with the owner (not on a leash) etc. etc I guess with the right genetics and enough environmental pressure you can see how they're similar.

[@Poifoprill]

I looove cats and your videos that are formatted this way where you show the phylogenetic tree of different animals are my absolute favorite videos of yours! Which means I've probably watched this video 6 times these 10 days since you posted this. This is so much fun! And oh do I feel like the biggest nerd after writing this comment... proud nerd!

[@awsgeneral]

"What's up my niches! And they diversified all over that hizzy" oof

[@trenaareen1216]

You will not find whiter white people than Utah white people. Maybe with the exception of the midwest??

[@JiviteshBakshi]

i thought he would say something else after wassup my ni-

[@Joe-Przybranowski]

This guy is really a great science communicator. Always fun, always packed full of information I didn't know. Love this channel.

[@carschmn]

I’m listening to this while feeding my household caniformae and my feliformae.

[@pkre707]

I absolutely love that this channel has pivoted more towards taxonomy and biology. This is the good stuff, keep it up!

[@lurientheenjoyer6711]

I love this channel, I love your vids, I could binge watch the whole phylogeny playlist every day, but even I felt kinda baited by the two part thing

[@sephirothjc]

Between 'what's up my niches' and quoting The Offspring, Clint is becoming my new favorite youtuber.

[@telepopepic]

Wonderful! As usual, your enthusiasm is infectious and your content is spot on.

[@vernonfridy8416]

9:40 The range of the Striped Hyena very much extends into Asia, as far east as India. 13:45 In fact, in practically all media in which I’ve come across Fossa fossana (a confusing scientific name, I might add) with the exception of Wikipedia, its name is not “Malagasy Civet”, but “Fanaloka”.

[@indyreno2933]

Similarly, "feripaka" is now the correct name for Nandinia binotata, "zorilla" is the correct name for all in the genus Ictonyx, "muishund" is the correct name for Poecilogale albinucha, "shulang" is the correct name for Vormela peregusna, "huro" is the correct name for Lyncodon patagonicus, and "vontsira" is the correct name for all in the subfamily Galidiinae.

[@azurelegends2696]

I’ve seen a few separate sites give Fossa fossana the common name Malagasy Civet. Animal Diversity Web is probably the most notable. I mean so many animals have multiple common names that are, and can be, used interchangeably. I mean Malagasy Civet isn’t even the only common usage name for Fossa fossana that has civet in it.

[@indyreno2933]

@azurelegends2696, except because there are no civets and mongooses in Madagascar, Fossa fossana is more correctly referred to as a "fanaloka" and "vontsira" is the correct name for all members of the subfamily Galidiinae, the fanaloka (Fossa fossana) is not a civet because it is not part of the family Viverridae and vontsiras (subfamily Galidiinae) are not mongooses because they are not part of the family Herpestidae.

[@azurelegends2696]

@@indyreno2933 “Correctness” when it comes to common names is an interesting subject. There aren’t the same parameters or level of rigidity for common names that there are for scientific names. Common names don’t have to be unique or show the actual relationship between species. Common names just originate from common usage, and calling something a “Malagasy Civet” doesn’t mean that it is truly a civet either. It can just mean that the animal is visually similar to a civet but is from Madagascar. I don’t think that a standard of correctness for common names should be heavily enforced when scientific names already exist.

[@azurelegends2696]

@@indyreno2933 What you are saying is undeniably true. I am just saying that not all common names make phylogenetic sense.

[@bigchungus6853]

12:19 what's up my niches timestamp

[@inspiredcolours]

Omg Sumatran tigers are one of my all time favourite animals! Please please do a deep dive video into the felidae fam and give them a shout out, they need more love ❤

[@CaptainH8322]

I have wanted this exact video for so long. Thank you!! THANK YOUUUUU!!

[@Blaikser]

Learning that my favorite animal my Punk Kittens (Skunks) are actually more Canine than Feline is kind of crazy to me after all this time calling them kittens, I love learning about life!

[@LS-xy7zt]

Time to start calling them Punk Puppies?

[@krishnagardiner5272]

clint we are so excited when we see your videos. thank you for teaching me about phylogeny

[@wolfman2.055]

Clint , only three of the four hyenas are exclusively found in Africa. Striped hyenas are found in parts of Asia and the Middle East too

[@needfoolthings]

The Middle East is a part of Asia.

[@Grutmaw]

YES! I've been waiting for this video, thanks Clint!

[@lilyayora]

The mystery cat is 100% a Jaguarundi. The muzzle is making a clear downward curve, where the fossa's would be longer and pointed slightly upwards. The fossa also has a very large, almost dog- like nose and more prominent eyes. Finally, the pelvis of the fossa, as well as the shoulders, seem to point downwards a little, forming a curve, where the jaguarundi would be a little more .. well.. cat-shaped, as this animal is. Including the coat color, I'm inclined towards jaguarundi.

[@curtism-w6b]

Panda: I'm a bear ... I'm not a bear ... wait, I'm a bear again! Yay?

[@Khunai.]

Lmao, I appreciated your Offspring joke there at the end 😂

[@daigbogu]

3 things: this was NOT too long! I fully believe we've been domesticated by cats when my kitty (adult cat, but has all the trappings of babies that us humans cant get enough of) runs to lay in front of me to "attack" me with her cuteness... and finally, your cheerful pronouncement that you are probably wrong, was a breath of fresh air and should be embraced by all people!

[@greensteve9307]

Not only that, but it's possible that early wheat/barley agriculture would not have been successful without cats to keep down rodent populations.

[@brfisher1123]

I think that the clades Canidae (dogs), Mustelidae (weasels) and the Felidae (cats) all deserve to get their own individual phylogeny videos especially the cats! It's also funny how dogs are actually the "hagfish" of the Caniformia clade considering that it was clearly named after them! 😂😂

[@indyreno2933]

Actually, there is no most basal extant family of the suborders Caniformia or Feliformia, both are actually split into infraorders, with the infraorders of Caniformia being Cynopsia and Galopsia and the infraorders of Feliformia being Aeluropsia and Crocutopsia, the Cynopsia infraorder is split into the parvorders Eufissipedia and Pinnipedia with the former being further split into the superfamilies Canoidea and Ursoidea and the latter being further split into the superfamilies Phocoidea and Otarioidea, within the Eufissipedia parvorder, the Canoidea superfamily contains the dogs of the extant family Canidae and their closest extinct relatives the parictids, which constitute the family Parictidae, whereas the Ursoidea superfamily contains the extant families Ursidae (Bears) and Ailuropodidae (Giant Panda and Fossil Relatives) and the extinct families Hemicyonidae and Ursavidae, within the Pinnipedia parvorder, the Phocoidea superfamily contains the extant families Phocidae (Seals) and Cystophoridae (Hooded Seal and Elephant Seals), whereas the Otarioidea superfamily contains the extant families Otariidae (Sea Lions and Fur Seals) and Odobenidae (Walrus and Fossil Relatives), the Galopsia infraorder is split into the superfamilies Procyonoidea and Musteloidea, the former is constituted by the extant families Mephitidae (Skunks and Stink Badgers), Procyonidae (Raccoons and Bassarisks), Ailuridae (Red Panda and Fossil Relatives), and Nasuidae (Coatis, Kinkajou, Olingos, and Olinguito) and the latter is split into the families Melidae (Badgers), Mustelidae (Weasels, Ferrets, and Minks), Lutridae (Otters), and Ictonychidae (Zorillas, Muishund, Shulang, Huro, Grisons, Wolverine, Tayra, and Martens), both superfamilies are very different and not closely related, which is why the Galopsia infraorder is also split into the parvorders Mesopalmata for the superfamily Procyonoidea and fossil taxa more closely related to procyonoids than to musteloids and Parapalmata for the superfamily Musteloidea and fossil taxa more closely related to musteloids than to procyonoids, the Aeluropsia infraorder contains the extinct superfamily Dinictidoidea and the extant superfamily Feloidea, the Dinictidoidea superfamily includes the extinct families Hoplophoneidae and Dinictididae while the Feloidea superfamily contains the cats of the extant family Felidae and their closest extinct relatives of the family Barbourofelidae, which makes cats the only extant family of both the superfamily Feloidea and the infraorder Aeluropsia following the extinctions of the taxa Barbourofelidae and Dinictidoidea, and the Crocutopsia infraorder contains all of the more superficially caniform-like feliforms and is split into the superfamilies Hyaenoidea and Viverroidea, the Hyaenoidea superfamily contains the extant families Protelidae (Aardwolf and Fossil Relatives) and Hyaenidae (Hyenas) and the extinct families Lophocyonidae and Percrocutidae while the Viverroidea superfamily contains the extant families Nandiniidae (Feripaka and Fossil Relatives), Prionodontidae (Linsangs and Fossil Relatives), Poianidae (Oyans and Fossil Relatives), Genettidae (Genets and Fossil Relatives), Viverridae (Civets), Herpestidae (Mongooses), and Eupleridae (Malagasy Carnivorans) and the extinct family Palaeogalidae, the extinct carnivoran families Amphicyonidae and Nimravidae are the most basal families of the suborders Caniformia and Feliformia respectively and do not fall under any of their respective infraorders.

[@indyreno2933]

@TheLeopardSeal-kq4fx, no it is not.

[@brfisher1123]

@@indyreno2933 Did you not see the phylogeny of the caniforms he had on the screen? It showed that the Canids (dogs) are actually the least related among all caniforms with all of the other caniforms being more closely related to each other than to dogs themselves.

[@indyreno2933]

@brfisher1123, the phylogeny is incorrect and outdated, none of the extant families of carnivorans are the most basal of the two suborders, instead, carnivorans are split into four infraorders, which are Cynopsia, Galopsia, Aeluropsia, and Crocutopsia, the Cynopsia infraorder is split into the parvorders Eufissipedia and Pinnipedia with the former being further split into the superfamilies Canoidea and Ursoidea and the latter being further split into the superfamilies Phocoidea and Otarioidea, within the Eufissipedia parvorder, the Canoidea superfamily contains the dogs of the extant family Canidae and their closest extinct relatives the parictids, which constitute the family Parictidae, whereas the Ursoidea superfamily contains the extant families Ursidae (Bears) and Ailuropodidae (Giant Panda and Fossil Relatives) and the extinct families Hemicyonidae and Ursavidae, within the Pinnipedia parvorder, the Phocoidea superfamily contains the extant families Phocidae (Seals) and Cystophoridae (Hooded Seal and Elephant Seals), whereas the Otarioidea superfamily contains the extant families Otariidae (Sea Lions and Fur Seals) and Odobenidae (Walrus and Fossil Relatives), the Galopsia infraorder is split into the superfamilies Procyonoidea and Musteloidea, the former is constituted by the extant families Mephitidae (Skunks and Stink Badgers), Procyonidae (Raccoons and Bassarisks), Ailuridae (Red Panda and Fossil Relatives), and Nasuidae (Coatis, Kinkajou, Olingos, and Olinguito) and the latter is split into the families Melidae (Badgers), Mustelidae (Weasels, Ferrets, and Minks), Lutridae (Otters), and Ictonychidae (Zorillas, Muishund, Shulang, Huro, Grisons, Wolverine, Tayra, and Martens), both superfamilies are very different and not closely related, which is why the Galopsia infraorder is also split into the parvorders Mesopalmata for the superfamily Procyonoidea and fossil taxa more closely related to procyonoids than to musteloids and Parapalmata for the superfamily Musteloidea and fossil taxa more closely related to musteloids than to procyonoids, the Aeluropsia infraorder contains the extinct superfamily Dinictidoidea and the extant superfamily Feloidea, the Dinictidoidea superfamily includes the extinct families Hoplophoneidae and Dinictididae while the Feloidea superfamily contains the cats of the extant family Felidae and their closest extinct relatives of the family Barbourofelidae, which makes cats the only extant family of both the superfamily Feloidea and the infraorder Aeluropsia following the extinctions of the taxa Barbourofelidae and Dinictidoidea, and the Crocutopsia infraorder contains all of the more superficially caniform-like feliforms and is split into the superfamilies Hyaenoidea and Viverroidea, the Hyaenoidea superfamily contains the extant families Protelidae (Aardwolf and Fossil Relatives) and Hyaenidae (Hyenas) and the extinct families Lophocyonidae and Percrocutidae while the Viverroidea superfamily contains the extant families Nandiniidae (Feripaka and Fossil Relatives), Prionodontidae (Linsangs and Fossil Relatives), Poianidae (Oyans and Fossil Relatives), Genettidae (Genets and Fossil Relatives), Viverridae (Civets), Herpestidae (Mongooses), and Eupleridae (Malagasy Carnivorans) and the extinct family Palaeogalidae, the extinct carnivoran families Amphicyonidae and Nimravidae are the most basal families of the suborders Caniformia and Feliformia respectively and do not fall under any of their respective infraorders, this is similar to the order Artiodactyla (Even-Toed Hoofed Mammals) being divided into only two suborders based on their diet and upper jaw structure, Selenodontia (Herbivorous Artiodactyls) for the families Tragulidae (Chevrotains), Hydropotidae (Yoyongs and Fossil Relatives), Moschidae (Kasturis and Fossil Relatives), Giraffidae (Giraffes and Okapi), Antilocapridae (Pronghorn), Cervidae (Deer), Bovidae (Bovids), and Camelidae (Camels) and Bunodontia (Omnivorous Artiodactyls) for the families Tayassuidae (Peccaries), Suidae (Pigs), and Hippopotamidae (Hippos) and the order Rodentia (Rodents) is divided into only three suborders based mostly on jaw musculature, Caviomorpha (Cavy-Like Rodents) for the families Ctenodactylidae (Gundis), Diatomyidae (Laotian Rockrat), Petromuridae (Dassie Rat), Thryonomyidae (Cane Rats), Bathyergidae (Molerats), Hystricidae (Old World Porcupines), Octodontidae (Degus and South American Rockrats), Echimyidae (Spiny Rats), Abrocomidae (Chinchilla Rats and Viscacha Rats), Chinchillidae (Chinchillas and Viscachas), Erethizontidae (New World Porcupines), Ctenomyidae (Tuco-Tucos), Capromyidae (Hutias), Myocastoridae (Nutria, Punares, and Guiaras), Dinomyidae (Pacarana and Fossil Relatives), Cuniculidae (Pacas), Dasyproctidae (Agoutis and Acouchis), and Caviidae (Cavies), Sciuromorpha (Squirrel-Like Rodents) for the families Aplodontiidae (Mountain Beaver and Fossil Relatives), Gliridae (Dormice), Zenkerellidae (Flightless Anomalures), Anomaluridae (Flying Anomalures), Pedetidae (Springhares), Sciuridae (Squirrels), Castoridae (Beavers), Geomyidae (Gophers), Heteromyidae (Pocket Mice, Kangaroo Rats, and Kangaroo Mice), and Myomorpha (Mouse-Like Rodents) for the families Platacanthomyidae (Lasiures), Spalacidae (Kopatels, Zokors, Bamboo Rats, and Grawes), Dipodidae (Jerboas), Calomyscidae (Calomyscuses), Cricetidae (Hamsters, Lemmings, Muskrats, and Voles), Zapodidae (Jumping Mice and Birch Mice), Sigmodontidae (New World Mice and Rats), Muridae (Old World Mice and Rats), Gerbillidae (Gerbils, Jirds, Sand Rats, Link Rat, Spiny Mice, Brush-Furred Rats, and Rudd’s Mouse), Cricetomyidae (Pouched Rats, African Rock Mice, Climbing Mice, Fat Mice, Gerbil Mouse, Delany’s Mouse, Nikolaus’s Mouse, White-Tailed Rat, Karoo Mouse, Togo Mouse, Vlei Rats, Groove-Toothed Rats, Whistling Rats, and Maned Rat), and Nesomyidae (Malagasy Rodents).

[@brfisher1123]

@@indyreno2933 We'll see when Clint covers the caniforms but I'm going to take Clint's word on it being an actual zoologist and evolutionary biologist rather than some regular person on KZbin. Now, I'm not trying to insult you I'm just saying I'm just going to go with what Clint says when he covers the Caniforms being an expert on this stuff. I'll believe you if he shows the phylogeny that supports your claim.

[@felixhenson9926]

"They were like 'what's up my niches, and they diversified all over that izzy!" 😂

[@alecradtke]

That clip of the tiger attack puts into perspective why conservation of what species we cherish isn’t exactly as big in the areas the species actually live

[@ZumaZoom07]

Yup. First world issue

[@PaleosTime]

Oddly enough, India (where the clip is from) for the most part respect tigers immensely and have been exemplary in restoring their numbers over the past few decades. Tigers hold a high place in many Indian cultures. Obviously there are still challenges but the outlook for large wildlife in India is not as bleak as many other places.

[@butterfliesinmybrain]

Nonsense

[@alecradtke]

I’m sure many do, but there r a BIOLLIION jammed in about a third of the place .

[@alecradtke]

People not tigers … lol

[@labyrinthofcats]

i would lose my MIND if you did a video on the felidae!! i am autistic and cats are my special interest so id love love love that, you share information in such a digestible way without thinning it out

[@shig.bitz.3205]

This is an awesome video! Though I will dispute your pronunciation of 'niche', as it is originally a latin word, which was adopted into French and then adopted into English. A lot of the time we don't change the pronunciation when we adopt words from French, like croissant or baguette. But then again, you're speaking US English, which does use quite different pronunciation and spelling to English. Either way, really enjoyed the video as always

[@nariu7times328]

You make Saturday mornings awesome, thank you!

[@williedavis9465]

I'm sorry but the plural of mongoose is polygeese.

[@FlintSparkedStudios]

This should have more likes

[@corvins_cash]

Your videos bring me so much joy. Thank you for your channel and letting me scratch that learning itch, even as an adult with a career that has nothing to do with biology or zoology.

[@canis2020]

Why is Clint so devilishly happy about "if you're going to get eaten by x group its going to be from these guys" initiate broad smile

[@snowgirl3522]

10:17 ive only ever said neesh but this stock photo has me seriously reconsidering things. i cant be this bereted gentleman

[@Wolfie54545]

Just started watching but I will be watching closely to see if you get cats correct. Clint: There is a cat that functions close to a Hyena. Homotherium: Ayyyy-! Clint: Cheetah. Homotherium:

[@eric2500]

Homotherium: quit your lion!

[@KittyLover2619]

I would love to watch a video of you talking about all of the species of wild cats!! I love cats!! ❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@Billy.Bacsko]

"They diversified all over that hizzy" 😂

[@unmeltabledjdkrnrjdjsnd9317]

This has become one of my favorite KZbin channels. Love the upbeat vibe

[@carschmn]

15:23 they really should be called merekitties.

[@robynsnest8668]

Thank you for saying it!! @19:55 I have been saying it for years and being serious as i do so. Well done. Really surprised you didn't bring up the North American Cheetah and why the Pronghorn is so needlessly fast.

[@HarryisI]

07:40 No idea why but using pensive Clint as the human standard for size comparison got a good chuckle out of me

[@TJtheHuman]

Can we just appreciate how the first 60 seconds are very engaging and scientifically informative!

[@falcolf]

The jaguarundi's closest relative is its cousin the cougar/puma, which shares the crown of being the biggest kitty that can purr with their next closest relative, the cheetah! Big cats (Panthera) canNOT purr and can roar instead (but what is a roar but a very gruff meow? Similarly, the small cats - yes, even cougars and cheetahs - canNOT roar. Intact females will yowl piercingly loudly when they are in heat and keep you up all night long however as they cry out for boyfriends.

[@indyreno2933]

Big cats are not defined by the genus Panthera, they are actually defined by the tribe Pantherini as a whole, you seem to forget that cheetahs (genus Acinonyx), pumas (Puma concolor), jaguarundis (Herpailurus yagouaroundi), and bohebaos (genus Neofelis) are big cats, also, the tiger, ounce, and jaguar do not belong to the Panthera genus anymore because they are all more closely related to the bohebaos (genus Neofelis) than they are to the leopard and lion, the ounce and tiger both now constitute the genus Uncia while the jaguar is the only surviving member of the genus Jaguarius, leaving the leopard and lion as the only two extant members of the Panthera genus.

[@Wolfie54545]

@@indyreno2933 None of this is true. “Big cat” are the subfamily Pantherinae, which only includes Panthera and Neofelis (Clouded Leopards) alive. Cougars, Cheetahs, and Herpailurus are all in the subfamily Felinae. They are small cats. Also no, Panthera includes Lions, Tigers, Leopards, Snow Leopards, and Jaguars. None of those other Genera have been valid in decades. You have spread misinformation on every single comment you reply to.

[@indyreno2933]

@Wolfie54545, also, there is no such thing as a snow leopard, the correct name for Uncia uncia is "ounce" and there are no such things as "clouded leopards", the correct name for species in the genus Neofelis is "bohebao", Panthera pardus is the only cat that is truly called a leopard.

[@iapetusmccool]

​​​@@indyreno2933of course "snow leopards" exist. That's just the common name for _P. uncia._ You can't just declare that a common name is wrong or doesn't exist. That's not how common names work. And I can't find any source for you claim that tigers have been moved from _Panthera_ to _Uncia._ Just the reverse (snow leopards moving to _Panthera_ ).

[@indyreno2933]

@iapetusmccool, there are now twenty extant genera of cats, also, the word "leopard" refers exclusively to Panthera pardus, therefore there are no such things as either a snow leopard or a clouded leopard, Uncia uncia is more correctly referred to as an "ounce", while members of the genus Neofelis are more correctly referred to as "bohebaos", this is because ounces and bohebaos are not leopards, the Panthera genus now only includes the leopard and lion, while the tiger and ounce are both moved to the genus Uncia and the jaguar is treated as the only extant member of the genus Jaguarius, both genera are more closely related to bohebaos (genus Neofelis) than they are to Panthera, with Jaguarius being the sister genus to the bohebaos (genus Neofelis), therefore, there are now twenty extant genera of cats.

[@kriswTmom]

23 and a 1/2 minutes of pure awesomeness generously sprinkled with humor. Love it. And looking forward to the next couple 👍 ❤️❤️

[@5tnblnkt]

Canines are generally smarter and way more effective at working in groups that felines are (lions do work in groups yeah, but they are the only ones and not nearly as effective as wild dogs that live in the same ecosystem) , that's mainly why.

[@Wolfie54545]

Did you just say Canids are smarter than Felids? I don’t think that can be said. Cats are overpowered. They used to be much more the top predators when the Machairdonts were still around.

[@5tnblnkt]

@@Wolfie54545 I'm not saying felines are dumb by any means, because they certainly aren't, but yes, most canids are smarter than felines. That's basically how they can thrive in the same echosystem as bigger felids, that's why Dohles can live near tigers and hold their ground as species there and even having a higher percentage at catching prey than leopards and tigers on mostly the same prey. They are not OP at almost anything but smarts and teamplay and using both together.

[@5tnblnkt]

@@Wolfie54545 that's also why most predators actually fear us when they can easily kill us 1v1, we are way smarter, we use guns and stuff to compensante being underpowered on everything but stamina and brains

[@Vexinsight]

Social interaction elevates the intellect of some species. For example, even if not as successful as canines. No other feline is more intelligent than a lion, and anyone who knows the tactics that lions know how to employ knows this, unlike their relatives, they go beyond just ambushing, this is their difference.

[@zeff8820]

Well, domestic cats can also live in group

[@dynamoterror7077]

Another absolutely amazing and hilarious clade overview video! One small thing I noticed though, when talking about Hyenas you stated that all extant hyenas live in Africa, however Striped Hyenas also live in southern and Western Asia and a little bit of southeastern Europe.

[@Fahrenheit4051]

Actually, Chiroptera is the clade containing most carnivorous mammal species. Technically correct, which is the best kind of correct.

[@ClintsReptiles]

I agree with your point.

[@Fahrenheit4051]

😀

[@tulliusexmisc2191]

Mammalia is the clade containing the most carnivorous mammals. Even more technically, and therefore even bester.

[@Fahrenheit4051]

@@tulliusexmisc2191 You win!

[@mauzawa]

YESSS my boy is giving a zoology class about dogs and cats, this is my lucky day!! I can't believe I missed this when it was posted! D:

[@taco4242]

I am a factory worker. But one could call me the Hag Fish of factory workers.

[@kathleenedwards8472]

Thank you all for the work you put into these videos! All of you! ❤

[@juniormynos9457]

Watching the chart, I noticed the carniformia has members that took to the sea. So why didn't Feliformia do the same?

[@restlessparadox1953]

the "Whats up my niches" joke was so funny and i love how excited you were to deliver it LOL T__T

[@PhinClio]

A Caniform video later this month? That's tomorrow!

[@ladykoiwolfe]

Aye, there's not much month left.

[@philsonofcoul5025]

Very creative video topic. These comparison videos that deep dive into families of life are great!

[@mikeclarke952]

"WHAT'S UP MY NICHES!" OMG that's so good.

[@xmagx]

Hilarious and entertaining. 👏 👏 thanks for the great content.

[@areallyshortbrontothere]

CARNIVORANS LETSGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[@TamagoSenshi]

Definitely a jaguarundi. Also, red pandas have been really fun to study, especially behavioural observations. They're quite cat-like, especially captive red pandas that have direct interactions with their keepers. The way they watch each other also carries that feline awkwardness of "What's going on over there?" Sleeping and eating habits too

[@carsonianthegreat4672]

I’ve always pronounced niche as “nitch” when it’s a noun and “neesh” when it’s an adjective.

[@blackkittycat15]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who does this.

[@thiemokellner1893]

Many thanks. Contagious enthusiasm and a right dose of humour of the right wavelength.

[@belablanck]

The striped hyena still lives in Asia

[@miquelescribanoivars5049]

It used to range in to Southeastern Europe in historic times, AFAIK.

[@inuendo6365]

Yeah he got it slightly wrong. He was referring to the larger "cave hyenas" but they didn't die out until their preferred megafauna prey species became scarce. Wolves never became "top dog" until AFTER the big hyenas died out, filling in the niche when Eurasia favored smaller, lighter builds. It just so happens that was around the time hominids took over Eurasia too.

[@Oyster_Man]

Always love your work. Kudos to Clint and the team!

[@inuendo6365]

Slight correction on caniforms taking over Eurasia; bone crushing hyenas and other large predators died off when megafauna prey species became scarce, not when smaller N. American predators came in. Wolves of the time never became "top dog" until hominids swept through Eurasia. Smaller caniforms just happened to be in the right place when Eurasia favored smaller animals. Even Gray Wolves "filled in" where Dire "Wolves" died out AFTER the megafauna became scarce, not before.

[@toeornottoe4951]

At about 9:35 Clint says Hyenas are found only in Africa, however the striped Hyena’s range while partly in Africa also includes a large part of the Middle East even as far as Iran, Pakistan, and Northern India. Great video though I love your channel ^-^.

[@susieleehorton6398]

When he said "WHATS UP MY NICHES" I choked on my drink 😭😭😭🤣

[@CowologistPhD]

As a biologist, I love these videos SO MUCH. I would love a video just on all the different species of cat, but would also love one on all the different kinds of mustelid. Cat biology is what got me into animal nutrition/physiology as a field, I remember my companion animal professor talking about how cats have such unique nutritional requirements that it was my big "lightbulb moment" in undergrad and now I do comparative mammal nutrition/energetics/physiology research for a living, with a bit of a specialty in nitrogen metabolism. And it can all be traced back to my professor talking about how cats have additional amino acid requirements compared to other mammals. Just so fascinating, and to quote the nutritionist JP McNamara, "owning a pet cat is like owning a pet formula 1 race car". Ferrets have even more niche requirements than cats, to be fair, but ferrets are also less common than cats and them being a bit unusual is maybe a bit more expected. But when I give talks to schools and go in about just how weird cats are from a metabolic/nutrition sense, students get so excited and fascinated. I work with herbivores now, but cats have a special place in my heart both for being amazing pets and so weird metabolically. Thanks for such an amazing video!

[@wizardblizzardgaming4460]

Quite ironic that red "pandas" are more closely related pinnipeds than to true bears lol

[@otterylexa4499]

We learned in the bear video that red pandas are the original pandas.

[@indyreno2933]

Actually, both bears and pinnipeds are more closely related to dogs than they are to the red panda.

[@wizardblizzardgaming4460]

@@indyreno2933 no, that's incorrect. Pinnipeds are the Sister group of Musteloidea (which the red panda belongs). The Sister group of Pinnipeds and Musteloidea are the true bears and hemicyonidae. And since Musteloidea and Pinnipeds shared a common ancestor more recently than true bears and canids, which means that Musteloidea are more closely related to Pinnipeds than to the other clades of Caniformes. Canids and Bears are basically the hagfish to Musteloidea.

[@indyreno2933]

@wizardblizzardgaming4460, nope, none of the extant families of carnivorans are the most basal within their two suborders, instead, carnivorans are now officially split into four infraorders based on morphology and morphology alone, which are the infraorders Cynopsia, Galopsia, Aeluropsia, and Crocutopsia, the Cynopsia infraorder is split into the parvorders Eufissipedia and Pinnipedia with the former being further split into the superfamilies Canoidea and Ursoidea and the latter being further split into the superfamilies Phocoidea and Otarioidea, within the Eufissipedia parvorder, the Canoidea superfamily contains the dogs of the extant family Canidae and their closest extinct relatives the parictids, which constitute the family Parictidae, whereas the Ursoidea superfamily contains the extant families Ursidae (Bears) and Ailuropodidae (Giant Panda and Fossil Relatives) and the extinct families Hemicyonidae and Ursavidae, within the Pinnipedia parvorder, the Phocoidea superfamily contains the extant families Phocidae (Seals) and Cystophoridae (Hooded Seal and Elephant Seals), whereas the Otarioidea superfamily contains the extant families Otariidae (Sea Lions and Fur Seals) and Odobenidae (Walrus and Fossil Relatives), the Galopsia infraorder is split into the superfamilies Procyonoidea and Musteloidea, the former is constituted by the extant families Mephitidae (Skunks and Stink Badgers), Procyonidae (Raccoons and Bassarisks), Ailuridae (Red Panda and Fossil Relatives), and Nasuidae (Coatis, Kinkajou, Olingos, and Olinguito) and the latter is split into the families Melidae (Badgers), Mustelidae (Weasels, Ferrets, and Minks), Lutridae (Otters), and Ictonychidae (Zorillas, Muishund, Shulang, Huro, Grisons, Wolverine, Tayra, and Martens), both superfamilies are very different and not closely related, which is why the Galopsia infraorder is also split into the parvorders Mesopalmata for the superfamily Procyonoidea and fossil taxa more closely related to procyonoids than to musteloids and Parapalmata for the superfamily Musteloidea and fossil taxa more closely related to musteloids than to procyonoids, the Aeluropsia infraorder contains the extinct superfamily Dinictidoidea and the extant superfamily Feloidea, the Dinictidoidea superfamily includes the extinct families Hoplophoneidae and Dinictididae while the Feloidea superfamily contains the cats of the extant family Felidae and their closest extinct relatives of the family Barbourofelidae, which makes cats the only extant family of both the superfamily Feloidea and the infraorder Aeluropsia following the extinctions of the taxa Barbourofelidae and Dinictidoidea, and the Crocutopsia infraorder contains all of the more superficially caniform-like feliforms and is split into the superfamilies Hyaenoidea and Viverroidea, the Hyaenoidea superfamily contains the extant families Protelidae (Aardwolf and Fossil Relatives) and Hyaenidae (Hyenas) and the extinct families Lophocyonidae and Percrocutidae while the Viverroidea superfamily contains the extant families Nandiniidae (Feripaka and Fossil Relatives), Prionodontidae (Linsangs and Fossil Relatives), Poianidae (Oyans and Fossil Relatives), Genettidae (Genets and Fossil Relatives), Viverridae (Civets), Herpestidae (Mongooses), and Eupleridae (Malagasy Carnivorans) and the extinct family Palaeogalidae, the extinct carnivoran families Amphicyonidae and Nimravidae are the most basal families of the suborders Caniformia and Feliformia respectively and do not fall under any of their respective infraorders.

[@wizardblizzardgaming4460]

You can't do a phylogeny on morphology alone, since convergent evolution can result in very similair morphology. Genetic data does also support the phylogeny that I previously explained. I also couldn't find any sources or papers that supports your claim.

[@IanM-id8or]

Looking forward to the next video. This one was so cool

[@crackerjack9320]

We are the knights who say "niches"!

[@jordanstephenson6953]

The The Offspring reference made my day Clint, thank you! 😂