Reacting to JxmyHighroller Re-Making My NBA Goat Pyramid

[@orlastm]

I feel like clique values talent over anything else.

[@lilguccivert14]

Definitely

[@eeeeeee_13]

nah fr people like him, their goat lists would mostly just be people from this era

[@goatpower321]

@@eeeeeee_13exactly. He’s thinkin- oh who cares Scottie is the best perimeter defender of all time, get him out of here for the choker Chris Paul

[@-Nightingale]

@@goatpower321 He was shocked when Scottie went down a tier.

[@justnahayo8490]

@@eeeeeee_13fr😂😂

[@eliyarrows2456]

Kawhi is single handedly gonna have the most confusing and debated legacy when he retires. He’s gonna have similar accolades to guys in the top 15 but he’ll retire with less points and less steals than Thaddeus Young because of how little he plays. He’s not even on the top 250 scorers and here’s all the people drafted the same year as him with more career points: kyrie, kemba, klay Thompson, vucevic, jimmy butler, and Tobias harris. He has less points than these guys drafted years after him: middleton (2012), cj McCollum (2013), Wiggins (2014), KAT and Book (2015). Isaiah Thomas was drafted the same season as kawhi, only had around 4-5 season starting, maybe 8 or 9 seasons of rotation minutes, and is out of the league. He sits only 1500 points behind kawhi and averages 8ppg on his career compared to kawhis 20ppg 😂

[@Fearnot0428]

True asf

[@floccolarin5347]

That last part is so crazy

[@joshauhdiai1958]

Injuries suck. But when he’s on the court healthy, no one can stop him

[@Johnny-zs7ho]

*18 ppg

[@LoganNagol]

This so true. Thinking about it, no player has benefited from a single title run more than Kawhi. Like no one would ever say he top 75 without that 2019 title run, but that run almost boosted his seasons that came before that as well

[@brendanmaclean8236]

Bro clique singing the new Kanye song at the beginning is crazy 💀

[@justin9860]

Let's keep it pushing

[@TheManTheyCallJC]

I thought it was Legacy by Jay Z😭

[@VincenzoV]

@@TheManTheyCallJCit is lol

[@gayYoungThug]

All im saying It's not a bad song

[@NoVillz]

@@gayYoungThugof course the Karl malone @ would say that

[@ActuallyDrewTimme]

Clique we need you to make your own pyramid now

[@khaitranngoc4176]

It goes without saying, yes.

[@BOnYTB]

Man I just can’t fathom Clique wanting to really put a lot of time to make his own “pyramid” or whatever. GOAT list, whatever. So much different criteria in every list or anything similar. You post anything like this and it’s just gonna be people commenting their opinions on it all the time. Idk, it just seems to me that’s the opposite of what he’d wanna do 😂. Don’t even know how to explain further. Maybe he’d do something for fun messing around on stream, but nothing like this.

[@dylanhotrum7354]

@@BOnYTB if he thinks it's a fun idea yk he'll do it 😂

[@BOnYTB]

@@dylanhotrum7354 ya like I said if he wants to do it on stream w nothing else to do or w/e I could see it. I just can’t imagine him posting a whole YT video doing a GOAT pyramid that’s all.

[@dylanhotrum7354]

@@BOnYTB I mean this is quite literally a clips channel

[@MrGonve]

I agree in Chris Paul over John Stockton, of course. For Jokic, I'm pretty sure he will be there in 2 or 3 years if he plays like the 2 last seasons. And for Harden ... no, he's in the same case as Iverson, really good but so inconsistent.

[@supertaco197]

Agree

[@rohanghose8707]

Yeah but he was a lot better than Havlicek, and his competition was much greater. 8 teams just isn’t enough, and it diminishes his career.

[@DatFatThor]

@@rohanghose8707 8 teams means that all the talent is compacted into less teams, comp was better in comparison

[@SackVegasAnime]

@@rohanghose8707 If there was 8 teams now, every team in the league would have like 5 all star caliber players. What is this argument I always see. Less teams equal a higher density for talent.

[@thegreathutt]

@@SackVegasAnime but there was less overall talent available in the league.. and majority of that talent played for the celtics lol

[@visoy6877]

It's NOT about the different era they played. It's about what they were able to achieve DURING their era.

[@JordanJapan]

Not exactly lol

[@butterflybasics1688]

It literally says at the beginning his criteria...

[@Cr4tica1]

Clique reacting to Jimmy is the greatest duo ever

[@eliyarrows2456]

Bro definitely has notifications on for this channel at this point 😂 the video came out 2 hours ago and he’s already posted a 30 min reaction

[@xGatre]

Cp3 over Stockton really just for the Era clause, he even mentioned their defenses with Paul having 4 more all-defensive team

[@tylerlewis2766]

All defensive teams are a bit easier in this Era but yeah that Stockton comparison was a mess

[@trey8725]

@@tylerlewis2766 that’s complete bs

[@zackd9032]

@@tylerlewis2766 wtf are you talking about…

[@tylerlewis2766]

@@trey8725 90s and mid 2000s was the golden Era of NBA defenses lol. A majority of the league is soft on D now, less competition = easier to get on all defensive teams. I also don't see how Dwade is anything but 2nd team if he's lucky in the 90s

[@trey8725]

@@tylerlewis2766 that logic is dumb because wade madden most of his defense teams in the mid to late 2000’s

[@Alex-nh1hb]

Honestly I agree with Jimmy, Harden never succeeded in the playoffs, neither did cp3, and neither did Jokic. and this is a goat pyramid

[@thegreathutt]

so what about stockton, baylor and barkley?

[@saz19s8]

@@thegreathutt Stockton made two nba finals.

[@Alex-nh1hb]

@@thegreathutt Stockton also has the all-time assist record by a HUGE margin despite playing in a slower era. I don’t know much about Baylor though admittedly, other than some crazy stat lines.

[@bolbol1839]

@@saz19s8 cp3 made one, harden made one and both of them have far better stats especially harden and jokic has 2 mvps and when he won them his teammates were injured and the one year they were semi-healthy they made the wcf so bad argument

[@csanadhorvath]

But John Havlicek did? He was on a stacked team!! Come the fuck on...

[@da_boss1064]

I literally watched jimmy’s video less than an hour ago but here I am

[@anthonybird8735]

20 minutes into the video and you finally realise it's a top 30. NA education at it's finest

[@deepwaterrehab7685]

A GOAT list is not about talent. Every player in the NBA has talent. Being a top 30 player takes WAY more than just talent. Jokic, CP3 and Harden aren’t there yet.

[@yasirmohamed8451]

What do you mean yet

[@yasirmohamed8451]

Chris Paul and harden are over 30

[@deepwaterrehab7685]

@@yasirmohamed8451 they’re over 30 and they haven’t done enough to be top 30 players all time yet. 🤷🏻‍♂️ Jokic should have no problem getting there.

[@deepwaterrehab7685]

@@zackd9032 if you cry harder I’ll change my list

[@IgorPCabral]

Agree

[@tylerroe5175]

Jxmy: “I’m not heavily valuing longevity” *heavily values longevity*

[@dawsenchastain3466]

When you read his criteria it says that peak usually is more important than longevity, but it’s not always. And the only time he really valued longevity was for the Stockton VS CP debate, which is understandable (even tho i disagree as well) considering that Stockton has not 1, but 2 unbeatable nba records due to his longevity haha

[@reaper_is_unavailable]

as @@dawsenchastain3466 just said, plus a lot of the arguments attached to longevity that he made (I'm thinking of KD's jump) had to do with being good for long. Honestly, in a one-to-one skillset and peak argument I would take CP3 6/10 times over Stockton, but that nearly insurmountable assist record is goated for a reason, and while it is a longevity standard, it is a representative of Stockton being great at that aspect for a pretty long time, so literally because of that record, I would put Stockton slightly over CP3... (though, give CP3 a ring and there is no need for a debate) Jokic off the top 30 is lowkey troubling me.... I would like a debate between him and Barkley

[@AdonisKeef]

Y’all stupid some players peaks on their own hace longevity. That’s why lebron is #2

[@NRF787]

If you are using this to discredit Stockton, then remember that he was an 11-time All NBA team player, a 5-time all defensive team player, a two time league leader in steals, and he has 6 of the top ten highest assists per game seasons including 4 of the top five.

[@kittens-kun7671]

Nope.

[@pemp9606]

I think it's fair to not have Harden on there. If you have consistently choked in the playoffs for pretty much your whole career as a star, you can't be that far up in the ranking. If you didn't have a problem with A.I. being left off then you shouldn't have a problem with Harden being left off as well, they are about the same calibre of greatness.

[@GhostOfScarif]

I agree, AI TMac Harden all are the same, and I'm okay with all of them being off

[@fwaex404]

i mean to be fair bro had to play against 4 all stars on one team LMAO

[@imperium7846]

Harden is a greater talent than AI at their peaks

[@jollfamily4379]

Harden almost beat the greatest team of all time, AI lost to a top 10 team of all time in 5

[@pleaseenteraname69]

@@jollfamily4379 tbh you can’t really put that on AI. He was all alone with no one to back him up. Mutombo was out of his prime, all other stars were below all star caliber, and he had to deal with Kobe and Shaq Lakers and there was Tim Duncan Spurs plus a whole bunch of other teams. It was more like AI was carrying the Sixers all by himself and James did have CP3, Eric Gordon ETC. AI didn’t have a good team while harden did.

[@treyboy8732]

I love that every reaction to Jimmy's pyramid turns into a John Stockton slander video

[@3nim3nimabl3]

15:35 Jimmy valueing longevity over peak 😂

[@goodexecution7694]

Their peak is extremely close. I think the determining factor was longevity

[@shoukatsukai]

@@goodexecution7694 Their peak is not close. Stockton never was a serious contender for the MVP, while CP3 nearly won (and probably should have won) the MVP in his 3rd season. I highly disagree with Jimmy putting Stockton over CP3 if his criteria is Peak > Longevity. Stockton is like Nolan Ryan and Gaylord Perry: great counting stats, health, and consistency, but no definable peak. You can put Stock over CP3 in a different list, but Jimmy contradicted his own criteria.

[@Matt-dp7ze]

He’s valuing how long Stockton was at his peak

[@DashRendar]

So to address the Stockton vs Paul argument specifically, I think people are forgetting that Stockton holds the record for most assists and steals of all time. One of the criteria on the GOAT list was accomplishments. That's a hard one to beat.

[@zackd9032]

He literally said he was factoring peak > longevity. He admits cp3 had a better peak but still chose Stockton. HE HAS THAT RECORD OVER EVERY PG that record showcases durability that’s pure contradiction CP3 is the First and 1 of 2 PLAYERS WITH 20k points and 10K assists IN NBA HISTORY!! Other is lebron Thats HARD TO BEAT Chris paul has more all nba more all defensive more all star selections more steal champs and a better skillset in a better era . Lol jxmy contradicted his criteria across the board

[@DashRendar]

@@zackd9032 lol. I mean you're not wrong about him contradicting his own criteria every step of the way. I'm just saying, to isolate the case for Chris Paul going over John Stockton specifically...on the one hand, we're presented with the framework of "they have similar career numbers though CP3s are slightly better overall, all things considered"; but on the other, Stockton has two all-time records. Those records cross well-beyond a "peak vs longevity" argument (even though really that's a skills argument, which was one of the criteria). Those records are achievements, pure and simple. And they're not super close, either. CP has roughly 4,000 assists and I think roughly 600 steals to make up before he can take those records, and neither seem likely for him to do. I don't think that's being enough consideration, or that jxmy is getting enough credit on THAT particular call. Now, if CP3 wins a ring, then you HAVE to bump Stockton off the pyramid for him. I don't wanna hear no type of arguments if that happens. But for now, I think the argument to keep Stockton on and CP3 off (if we're not adding new people to the pyramid) is valid.

[@zackd9032]

@@DashRendar cp3 has to win a ring and Stockton doesn’t have one lol y’all are sad 😂😂😂

[@ethanrobinson9475]

nobody is forgetting that lol

[@DashRendar]

@@ethanrobinson9475 Then why did it not come up once?

[@akitoemery8651]

Stockton has two absurd accomplishments that can’t be ignored. No matter how much you hate him, the fact that he’s the all time leader by far in 2/5 major statistical categories guarantees him a spot in the top 30

[@devonhalford5522]

I’m fine with him being too 30 but for me he’s really like 35ish

[@zackd9032]

Awful take especially when HIS criteria was peak > longevity . Stockton played 20 years and was durable. According to HIS OWN LOGIC that shouldn’t have mattered

[@goodexecution7694]

@@zackd9032it literally says Peak is usually more important than longevity but “it’s not always the case”.

[@zackd9032]

@@goodexecution7694 HIS CRITERIA WAS PEAK >LONGEVITY SO YES IT IS ALWAYS THE CASE JOHN STOCKTON DOESNT HAVE A TOP 30 of all time skillset , peak , or resume stop this nonsense

[@chindaddyisdaddy]

@@zackd9032 watch the rules part of the video again.

[@Antisxy]

jimmy’s video has only been up for 2 hours man. this is feinding fr.

[@boof5928]

Showing love to Timmy D tells me you know basketball, that's why I be watching clique. 💯

[@000k-x5v]

Imo Tim Duncan gotta be tier 2

[@saz19s8]

Facts. He strongly meets all 4 criteria

[@bouseliki8292]

Duncan > Lebron

[@smockfn]

@@user-rj3pt1qm7k 2

[@dylanhotrum7354]

Clique was not paying attention today 😂

[@spookyspacekuck7885]

Clique hates older players and it really shows.

[@postverifiedlifestyle]

Older players aren’t as good.

[@spookyspacekuck7885]

​@@postverifiedlifestyle Great players would be great in any era. They would adapt to modern basketball and have modern medical advances.

[@VinJ17]

@@spookyspacekuck7885 that's not the point though, you're making an argument of yourself.

[@riquetc0060]

@@postverifiedlifestyle People that think like this make me sad. Can't we just enjoy the game of basketball without tearing down players just for the era they played in. Objectively yeah, players today are more skilled but there are areas of the game that has gotten worse compared to previous eras such as the mid range and post up game. The fact of the matter is, truly great players will dominate any era, they'll just adapt. There's no doubt in my mind that prime Hakeem could cook a modern defense with his collection of post moves and his signature dream shake.

[@VinJ17]

@@spookyspacekuck7885 literally just see how dumb that is, so when speaking about eras and "older players", its fcking hard and very stupid to do so, because if your argument is "they'd adapt to modern basketball and modern medical advances", do you think players of today's game wouldn't also adapt to the past basketball ways even though game hasn't changed that much, especially for the greater players of this generation LBJ, Curry, KD, Giannis, Kawhi. If you're going to argue fouling, bruh, these superstars dont even get as much calls.

[@orlastm]

I feel like clique didn't listen at the start of the vid. He said multiple times that he was only going to have 30 players on the list. Yet clique kept trying to add players past 30.

[@Domgtz03]

I'm sure that jimmy said that he was gonna choose 2 of the potential additions not all of them

[@JarrekAsF]

He did Clique just didn’t listen

[@mikebradlee]

*Jimmy specifies this pyramid is ultimately all based off his own opinion" *Clique towards the end of the video* "Nah man I disagree that's crazy" 🤣

[@CliqueClips]

Which would be me stating my opinion… 👁👃🏽👁

[@kevinmichielsen9045]

@@CliqueClips How outrageous of you! SHAME SHAME 🔔

[@Crystar500]

9:53 Elgin is wearing a Seattle jersey because he went to Seattle University for college

[@ChibiMalzahar]

the era thing says "if two players have identical resumes the edge goes to the more recent players" and he said stockton and paul had near identical resumes then immediately gave stockton the edge I dont understand it

[@potat0a1m26]

stockton played in the 90s and cp3 the 2010s, the year differential in the example was 40 years and only "an edge" jxmy probably didn't think the year difference was that significant

[@RealAaron317]

Barkley won MVP and took his team to the Finals the same year and would have won it if it wasn't for Jordan

[@taffacre261]

Stockton is the most underrated player in NBA history. His assists record and steals record are two records that will be very hard to beat. Jordan, Pippen, IT, and many more people of that era all say john Stockton was one of the hardest players to play against. Stockton is the only reason Karl Malone had the career he did.

[@jim-2194]

Yeah, I agree that talent-wise cp3 is better than Stockton, maybe even over Isiah Thomas. But he did not reach his full potential because of injuries and playoff disappearances. Despite that he is still a top 5 PG all time, but he didn't have a better career than stock, IT, or dwade so I agree with jxmy on this one

[@zackd9032]

He had a better career than all three lol

[@malickabdoul1301]

@@zackd9032 he did not have a better career than dwade stop it 😂

[@zackd9032]

@@malickabdoul1301 he did other than rings what does dwade have over cp3 … lol nothing

[@malickabdoul1301]

@@zackd9032 isn’t rings the biggest nba career achievement lol? Cp3 only has a better defensive career over dwade but wade didn’t disappear in the playoffs, he was in Kobe’s shadow for the longest time but the guy at 24 y/o carried shaq to a nba championship and was the best player in the 2011 finals how many 2-0 lead had cp3 blown? Regular seasons awards is good but playoff is when it matters

[@zackd9032]

@@malickabdoul1301 not arguing with you if you genuinely believe chris paul disappears in playoffs that’s a narrative casuals like to follow there’s no point of me replying . If that’s the greatest accomplishment why isnt bill russell in tier 1??? Why is he on a teir with players that are ringless . Chris Paul didn’t get to play with LEBRON FUCKING JAMES and chris bosh at the same time and a first team all nba shaq in a weak east.

[@monkeybusiness9424]

20:21 ngl Jokic over Baylor is a crazy assimilation of words put into a sentence

[@sinbandzz]

Jokic definitely better

[@dsbeats5657]

I would pick Jokić

[@bolbol1839]

Jokic has 2 mvps in a tougher era 🤷🏿‍♂️

[@gbtplayz3026]

Bro Stockton got the most assist and steals for a reason but some respect on bros name

[@jdub910]

Bro John Stockton gets so much hate from the younger generation and it is so annoying. Ya'll just ignore the fact that he's probably the 2nd greatest passer of all time, and was always a lockdown defender, while also leading in all time steals by a huge margin. He has 3,265 career steals and 2nd place only has 2,684. He also leads in all time assists. He has 15,806 assists while second place is only 12,091. He was named to 11 All-NBA teams and also hit some big time shots and was an underrated 3 point shooter.

[@-bacon_bacon-]

Jokic is up there now

[@KombatRacer]

Clique definitely overvaluing these newer players. What has Harden done for his TEAM? 0-27 is what I think of and Harden was a part of that. John Stockton would have a championship or 2 if he didn’t have to face the GOAT every time he made the Finals, while Chris Paul had to beat an AD-less Lakers, a fraud Jazz team, and a Kawhi-less Clippers to make his first Finals. Let’s not forget that Stockton’s assist record will likely never be broken. Jokic is just too young and has also has not had any serious team/playoff success.

[@dazgordon-hill2660]

BRUH!!! Same stat padding playoff choking injury prone floppers they clown are ALSO in the "GOAT" convo??

[@sethcherry1527]

I feel like Stockton is just one of those players that heavily divides fans. Some think he’s a top 3 pg of all time while some think he ain’t even top 10. In my opinion it’s not horrendous to have Stockton over Chris Paul

[@TheVictorroque]

Russell Westbrook not even in the honorable mention baffles me.

[@TheVictorroque]

Russ > Iverson, Cousy, Mikan, Pettit

[@SanFranFan30]

Jimmy rocking with John Havlicek in his top 30 is absolutely wild. Even David Robinson, Pippen, and Barkley don't really belong. Dwayne Wade is also at risk tbh.

[@Fearnot0428]

Nah dwade is solid . Third best sg of all time after MJ And Kobe I think he deserves top 30.

[@fearofsaturn]

if bill russell is in your top 5 havlicek has to be at least top 20 fr, ranking one high w/o the other makes zero sense

[@pickedbyderwin2363]

put some respect on David Robinson’s name

[@SanFranFan30]

@@pickedbyderwin2363 When were talking about guys in the top 30 we know they are all CRAZY good, it's a matter of parsing out who is good enough to be in that top 0.1% of every ball player ever.

[@Matt-dp7ze]

No way you just said that David Robinson doesn’t really belong on here

[@Matt-dp7ze]

2:52 if you’re moving Shaq Hakeem and Tim Duncan up to tier 2 and keeping tier 3 with only 3 guys then it defeats the whole purpose of the pyramid format.

[@backdoor385]

John Stockton the real point god y’all sleeping he literally put Karl Malone 2nd on the all time points list

[@shoukatsukai]

For a GOAT list, Stockton was never in contention for an MVP award for the entirety of his career. Hes probably the only guy on this GOAT list who is like that, and probably shouldn't be this high considering AI was kicked off of it.

[@backdoor385]

@@shoukatsukai ion think he deserves to be on the goat list but he rated higher than Chris Paul in my opinion

[@RealAaron317]

Was waiting for this video

[@shrekthenoob]

Elgin played for Seattle University, hence the jersey

[@saydowski7685]

James Harden is one of the best scorers of all time in the regular season, so for me a guy that averaged 36 ppg deserves a spot at least in tier 5

[@iremainunimpressed1589]

clique bro winning matters

[@anthonybird8735]

My man had to count instead of just doing 30-2... And then still got it wrong.

[@T.Gundham]

1. He didn't know it was 30 originally. 2. He did it correctly.

[@jaiden3149]

Hot takes: longevity>peak when considering legacy consistent excellence is > then short term goat status.era should be irrelevant from the 70s onward.and skill is also irrelevant the players with the deepest bag aren’t the best players their are many examples including Kyrie for example. The only things being considered should be accolades and stats you can choose what you value more but those are facts non subjective category and guaranteed things that happened

[@dan1elgamingyt521]

I always forget jokic is in his 20s, he just looks like he’s 40

[@stepanmuravyev894]

clique hating on the older generation for not having enough talent too funny 😭

[@Warriorsfan319]

Bro he is not hating on the old generation he almost made Hakeem go to tier 2 💀

[@AdonisKeef]

Your values include recency bias

[@the9thinning1]

Part of the reason why players in the past had lower numbers was because of the pace at the time. Take those 80s and 90s players from the era and put them in now, they'd be averaging much better stats than before, and similar to current stars

[@BOnYTB]

Yep it’s so hard to do something like this. If anyone wants a similar kinda “GOAT” type thing, check out Thinking Basketball’s podcast. He has a series called Top 40 Careers. Prolly the best I’ve heard or seen and he put a ridiculous amount of work in to it. Dude is insanely smart.

[@BOnYTB]

The episode with Reggie Miller and Harden is really good.

[@lucasrego3874]

Do u guys hate google? 😂 80s had higher pace than any era that came after it and 90s and 10s had pretty much the same pace

[@BOnYTB]

@@lucasrego3874 it’s really like 96-97 to like 06-07 prolly the lowest pace decade. Some nasty stuff going on there, including DET crushing LAL in 03-04 (DET fan) and they had a really nice run during that time with some disgusting scores lmao. Honestly 96-97 to like 11-12. 11-12 was the last pace in the 91.x area since. 03-04 was indeed disgusting for sure

[@Erick-ue6fh]

You really hurt your credibility when you start trying to make a case for James Harden, because no matter how good of a score he was harden is probably the worst defender on this list and that’s without me even looking at the list but the one time that I watch this video in fact, I’m willing to bet that James Harden is when all metrics are calculated one of the worst defensive players, in NBA history that played in a more years now if you wanted to remove somebody you should’ve been talking about Bill Walton because no matter how good his numbers were Bill Walton barely played professional basketball.

[@alexwitt2745]

Not even mentioning hardens playoff meltdowns

[@unspeakablyawesomebros3392]

this is incorrect, defence metrics would actually suggest that he is roughly neutral but he is certainly one of the poorer defenders among the guys on the goat pyramid. His choking in the playoffs is also way overblown, 29 8 and 7 on 58 percent efg is nothing to scoff at and is up there in terms of offensive performances.

[@Wpbcj]

I saw jimmy upload the video and I said in my head I know clique will react and waited.

[@RealAaron317]

same

[@shelovet0mmy]

I saw it, said the same thing, and still watched it 😂😂 and here i am again

[@moneymudassir]

Replace John Stockton with AI what are we doing 😂😂😂

[@DatFeature]

16:38 the answer to that question is simple this is the goat pyramid according to the mind of one James issac highroller

[@sillygosling351]

T4: Moses, garnett, nowitzki, Erving, antetokounmpo, durant, pippen, wade, thomas T5: havelicek, baylor, harden, robertson, Robinson, leonard, west, paul, iverson

[@visoy6877]

MJ is better than Lebron on both sides of the court! When you look at Jordans' just career and the way that he did things is just absolutely remarkable. In fact, the moment that Jordan got an All-star he never lost 2 games in a row. About domination, there's is no greater example than Jordan. He truly dominated the sport in every aspect. Jordan is also considered as the best 2-way player in the history of basketball. He's the only player in the history of sport that has 10 scoring titles and has 9 All-first Defensive teams and also a DPOY. There's no player that has ever played basketball that has that type of resume when you're talking about an argument of who was the most COMPLETE basketball player to ever play the game and no one comes close to Jordan. Then when you also factor in the fact that he was able to 3peat 2 times. You also factor in the fact he has the highest scoring average in regular season history in the NBA. He has also the highest scoring average in the playoffs even higher than Chamberlain. Then you also factor in his cultural impact, fear factor, the beauty of this basketball game. I don't think that Lebron getting that records. That's why the MVP trophy from now on will be called "The Michael Jordan Trophy".

[@ChrisWhitfield-f6w]

Wilt need to be on this list some of his records hasn't been broken yet for example his quintuple double top ten in categories of basketball history lead in mins fouls pts rebs blks asts stls enuff said

[@twisterduck1944]

LeBron with Jordan is wrong. MJ should be the peak and LeBron be the top. The 2 best ever to do it but 70% of people are taking MJ over LeBron.

[@SanFranFan30]

Jerry West was regularly getting cooked in the playoffs just like Harden how are they not on the same level.

[@jaded9234]

I think some of these picks are waiting on the player's career to mature and solidify. Like, how well will the career maintain? will the players peak end up bottoming out into a ridiculous low? This current era has the talent for several new entries.

[@nickh1627]

Yo this crazy I haven’t watch a jimmy video in months lol

[@williamillistrator2893]

17:00 its that Giannis is a champ and an mvp not close or runner up but i agree stockon needs to be off the list him being top in stls and assists carry him

[@timlett99]

Jimmy is right tbh. I can see an argument being made for CP3 over Stockton or whoever because he has the longevity of being really good but the just flat out bad playoff performances really hurt his case so I have no issue with that. If we're going purely off regular season games Jokic would be a lock but he’s also done nothing in the playoffs and still has a ways to go in his career so I don't think keeping him off is all that crazy. James Harden is an absolute pass for me,. The teams he "led" sucked in the playoffs because he did, he played absolutely no defense whatsoever in his career and is just too inconsistent to deserve a place as a top 30 player all time. Harden was too busy going to strip clubs with Lil Baby and this man Clique is comparing him to Scottie Pippen who's one of the best wing defenders all time, actually showed up in the playoffs and averaged 16/6/5/2/1 playing next to Michael Jordan lmao

[@nathanielgould5405]

clique oh I forgot about kawhi whispers I love kawhi

[@deelak2329]

Jokic already has a better career than everyone on tier 5 and 4

[@Warriorsfan319]

Debatable but ok

[@SanFranFan30]

We got a new term, his Peak is his Longevity.

[@holabae4817]

Isaiah Thomas had no longevity

[@kdburner8689]

22:20 "jordan had no competition"-🤓☝

[@EthanJJ98]

Harden not going anywhere in the playoffs in any team he’s been on kinda makes him being in the top 30 kinda impossible

[@grife3000]

With Wilt and Abdul-Jabbar having strong GOAT arguments, they have to be at least Tier 2.

[@riquetc0060]

Kareem is tier 2, and Wilt barely won anything. Everyone in tier 2 were parts of dynasties.

[@VinJ17]

Wilt has nothing for him besides his regular season stats, if thats the case. James Harden literally has a case for Tier 4 or 5, and even Russ would have a Tier 5 argument, simply cuz breaking Oscar's records year after year during 2013-2020.

[@Abdullah_Haruna]

Sure Kareem I can see, due to those three being the only ones in the GOAT conversation, but Wilt is THE stat padder

[@bolbol1839]

@@riquetc0060 so its his fault he wasn't part of a dynasty 💀 what 🤦🏿‍♂️he has some of the greatest stats and still 2 rings with probably the worst teams out of the top guys so hes definitely up there

[@bolbol1839]

@@VinJ17 Wilt averaged 25 23 and 5 in the playoffs,wtf do u mean he doesn't have stats in the playoffs,its just that they guarded him way more in the playoffs and he still has amazing stats that are better than Russel by far,put Wilt on Russels team and he has 11+ rings

[@fojemo1661]

Ughhhhh, he repeatedly said his pyramid is TOP 30. SO IF HE TOOK OUT 2 PLAYERS FROM THE ORIGINAL, MATHEMATICALLY, ADDING ALL THE 5 NEW ONES HE MENTIONED WON'T MAKE SENSE. And your own ranking was only based on one of Jimmy's criteria, which is skillset. Jimmy had 4 criteria. He clearly explained why Harden is not there, because of playoff success, which is part of accomplishments. While you talked trash about Pippen, who was the 2nd best player on a championship team, who fvcking won 6!!! I could go on.

[@dominiccacopardo5800]

I needa see your list I feel this is a very interesting way to rank players, top 30 is crazy but I think the list is a better than most.

[@aakh-sw1ls]

No Westbrook consideration even in the next 10?? Ik he sucks rn but he’s definitely around Stockton all time.

[@ZM145234974521E]

I think kawhi is overhyped because of his toronto chip, he should be talked about as one of the biggest what-if's rather than one of the best of all time. He didnt drag a team of bums to the finals like bron, and hasnt played more than 60 games a season since '17 due to injuries. His shot against the Sixers tho, is definitely one of the greatest of all time.

[@iremainunimpressed1589]

the kobe disrespect is insane 5 rings wake tf up

[@jaysonwithay2347]

Dr. J should be tier 3 ABA records should hold some weight

[@rigbyyy6195]

John Stockton was guarding plumbers

[@alexwitt2745]

Stockton was in the 80s and 90's what you mean?

[@asskjahaqqpatjhgb1]

Dumbest shit I’ve heard all day 90s was one of the toughest eras in nba history fym plumbers😭

[@rigbyyy6195]

@@alexwitt2745 I said what I said he ain’t guarding cp3 or any guard they just played tough back then but ok bud

[@rigbyyy6195]

@@asskjahaqqpatjhgb1 why did you delete your comment then 😂

[@alexwitt2745]

@@rigbyyy6195 sure it was a different style but saying players in either of those eras were plumbers is just wrong. They were definitely pros

[@imstephen]

can’t believe tracy mcgrady isn’t on here

[@aecflashbreaker]

AI and Harden are damn near the same so if you leave 1 out you leave the other out, no buts or ifs

[@bolbol1839]

Im sorry but AI is better,he led his team to the finals and beat a team that went 16-1 in the playoffs with a much worse team than Harden,his influence is also top 2 probably with Jordan cuz of how much he changed the game and players look up to him,he also plays better in the playoffs and shows up

[@aecflashbreaker]

influence does not advance you on the goat debate otherwise Steph should be top 3 players of all time also while Harden shits himself in the playoffs he does so much in the regular season also also this might surprise you but Harden also changes the game, look at how many players start flopping and doing stepbacks since his MVP season

[@bolbol1839]

@@aecflashbreaker playoffs count way more and influence plays a part forsure,stop it

[@unspeakablyawesomebros3392]

@@bolbol1839 stop it AI is maybe the most overrated player of all time. One flukey run, shot under 40 percent from the field, got past the 1st round 3 times in 15 years and shot his teams routinely out of playoffs. All metrics and number would suggest that Harden is way way better than AI and it ain't even close. Harden averaged 29 8 and 7 on 58 percent true shooting in his time in Houston which completely and utterly dwarf AI's stats for the same time period. AI was washed by 30 and didn't influence the game in anyways except his inefficient scoring. There isn't even a point of debate between these two tbh.

[@anthonybird8735]

Dude doesn't even watch the video... It's a top 30 and he's tryna add all 5 of the possible additions, he's moaning about James Harden but the video said Accomplishments were the biggest factor and Harden has no post season record at all.

[@airhead1218]

in my opinion, Kobe and TD should be in the same tier

[@ceciladams4882]

Fax

[@gjlipana881]

John stockton holds an unbeatable record in assists and steals though

[@EJxSB]

Bro is just stealing Jimmy's whole catalog

[@kubaswiton9030]

Jxmmy too critical to modern era? Or maybe young NBA fans like you, me and most of your viewers have bias towards the era that they witnessed with their own eyes?

[@manstrapp1446]

I Know Westbrook only has 1 mvp but mans was averaging a triple double for like 2-3 years straight, 😮

[@milagomez55]

Stockton all time steals and all time assists

[@jonathanlancha4618]

I aint never seen dwade be this dissrespected

[@ceciladams4882]

Fr 3rd best SG all time is not a tier 5

[@alexkarsten5567]

im just realizing that clique is a casual

[@carnek]

So basically now I won't watch the Jxmy video, I'm gonna wait to Clique reation... XD

[@BOnYTB]

If you guys want to hear something similar but with way more work put in (I love Jxmmy he’s amazing no hate at ALL) check out Thinking Basketball’s podcast. He has a series called Top 40 Careers. It’s amazing. I’m not affiliated with Thinking bball in any way lmao, this is not promo or anything that’s nuts. I really don’t even like the “GOAT” discussion at all tbh. Just saying it’s probably the best thing made about similar content. ✌️ bruh.

[@dliteoftheworld]

I’m not seeing the top 40 careers series when I look it up

[@nikolaytsakov5695]

Thinking basketball the 🐐!

[@BOnYTB]

@@dliteoftheworld Episode 141 is the first ep of the series. Says Sept 9th on my player. Then it goes straight to Oct 14th episode 151. 11 episodes. Every episode has Top 40 careers in the title. Hopefully you can find it.

[@BOnYTB]

@@dliteoftheworld oh also the top 40 careers series is only on his podcast. He does have a Greatest Peaks Series on YT though if you go to his channel and check playlists. They’re different though obviously, but both great. I’d highly recommend subbing to his YT and his podcast. He puts out a buncha pods. Dude is one of the best to do it.

[@kompeadix]

For me I would definetly would have put Jokic and Giannis into Tier 5 already. Harden und CP3 I wouldnt pick onto Tier 5, because of the Playoffs. If we would only talk about the reg season I even would put Russ in there aswell but the struggles in the post season shrinks their legacy. for kawhi i feel like he is playing so less in those last years that i nearly forgot him and thats why i am leaving him off aswell.

[@kompeadix]

@@do329 yeah sorry that english isnt my first language and that i fuckimg suck at writing ffs

[@Tyakilla2]

I felt the d wade disrespect was insane imo

[@rowyourboat4331]

harden is becoming underrated at this point

[@Matt-dp7ze]

Bro you definitely are overvaluing modern players in comparison to older ones

[@tometrickbrooks307]

Crazy how people have Larry bird, Magic Johnson, and Bill Russel over Steph curry

[@camron2357]

Crazy how people would have steph over magic and bird

[@Mouseinthewalls]

As much as I love Steph, I can’t take him over those three as of right now. Bill’s the only one you could possibly try to argue.

[@tometrickbrooks307]

@@camron2357 magic and bird had weaker comp, less longevity. Steph imo is a vastly better player than both

[@tometrickbrooks307]

@@Mouseinthewalls the fact he had to play against one of the greatest players in basketball history in everyone of his finals appearances except one, and he won 3 times is enough for me. Even taking out the KD ones, he’s still 1-1 against him. As soon as Jordan peaked, Even if Magic didn’t have aids, and Bird’s back worked, they weren’t sniffing another chip while Jordan was in the league

[@KalenAlmeida]

@@tometrickbrooks307 they had WEAKER COMP? WHAT????????

[@michaeltucker224]

In fact that could be your video Idea John Stockton vs cp3 career simulation

[@L251125]

Uhm... Important clarifiction: Greatest ≠ Best ≠ Most Talented

[@coolyboy475]

Cp3 over Stockton completey agree with Clique Jimmy's tripping

[@skalli2433]

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