Clone wars: Neve 1073 vs Stam Audio 1073!

[@Zarabozo]

12:56 Generally, we buy clones not because we don't want the original. We buy them because we can't afford the original.

[@justinupchurch1773]

You have to use the one with the Sowter output transformers.. gives it a lot more low end, which this seems to be missing. Also, you’re playing way too long before switching the pre, like honestly

[@Halfstar3]

The Neve sounds cleaner and more modern. The Stam has that grainy, imperfect sound that in comparison on individual instruments people would say sounds worse. That's because modern components were used for the updated Neves, older, more "imperfect" components were used in Stam to deliberately recreate the dirty sound of the originals. The Stam 1073 sowter transformers have since been updated to be even closer to the originals apparently.

[@SirRodney4Ever]

Not sure if my ears are deceiving me but the Neve 1073 sounds thicker and fuller.

[@stupendousmusic4190]

Nice demo 👏🏻 I've never tried the Stam, but I have done a side-by-side of the NEVE snd the BAE. There's nothing wrong with either of them. If you heard them on playback, you probably couldn't hear a difference; however, when comparing side-by-side, the BAE is ever so slightly more open. On a personal note, I prefer the 1066 over the 1073.

[@theredfaceofficial]

The Neve sounds so much better IMHO, the lows are rich and warm, the Stam sounds thinner! Actually I found the low mids thinner on all examples with the Stam. Neve wins for me!!!

[@joshuastam7704]

This is the first prototype I made, very old, the new Stam with the Sowter LO1166 replica is much thicker. I have been making those for a few years. Thickness is not up to the manufacturer but the output transformer.

[@JohnBrownemonuments]

The stam is more focused on the upper end of the mids vs the neve on the lower end, the Stam is also tighter sounding to my ears so I think it would work better on metal guitars vs the neve.

[@hawkeshiphop]

Your ending conclusion about the lacking low end and low mids on your voice is why I’ve been having such a hard time picking a clone🤦‍♂️ I do rap vocals & have never been able to achieve that “weighted full bodied vocal that you feel in your chest” with plugins alone. So really hoping there’s a 1073 clone out there for $1000 or less that will help me achieve this 🤞🏼 Any feedback would be greatly appreciated!

[@EDAR96]

Those mayones guitars are something else, they look comfortable and sleek

[@PariahVSGear]

3:33...ARE YOU LISTENING AL MU'MIN? Ya fuck.

[@caminglis53]

Love your videos and the mix you did at AMS was killer👏👌 Hey have you been able to get the fat saturated sound from driving the output transformer of the 1073 DPA ? I haven’t had to much luck so far

[@brandonreihana]

Dope comparison. The Neve sounds incredible! Keep up the killer work

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[@bakeralec2377]

@Brodie Holden Instablaster :)

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[@bakeralec2377]

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[@matrixmodulator]

are theses p-rails pickups?

[@simonbezek6382]

6:50 that riff and sound is epic!

[@MagicMario_09]

Hi mate, thanks for putting out this video, I think I have options, but one question, is your J48 wired to the 1073DPA's Line In interface? If I just want to get sound coloring without mic amplification, how do I do that?

[@stevenhall7596]

Which version of the Stam is this? I know he’s changed transformers over the years.

[@JohnBrownemonuments]

Steven Hall non sowter, I’ve heard that those get the unit even closer.

[@levijessegonzalez3629]

@@JohnBrownemonuments you mean sowter gets the unit closer or non sowter gets the unit closer?

[@oibraizolebulla]

The STAM sounds good for the cost..no doubt. But it doesn't cut it for me as a 'NEVE'.

[@heythere6983]

When it comes to the smaller stam 1073-5 compared to the bigger one, what would the time difference be?

[@epg2501]

Have you compared the BAE at all?

[@BrewerShettles]

Great Musician!!!

[@stephenchow5161]

the neve has more top end detail. the stam sounds a little blurred in comparison. listened through my avantone monitors

[@RUGBYmusic]

Thanks for making this John! I have a Sowter mod 1073 on backorder (been waiting about a year now... Brazil's lockdown hasn't helped...) I'm still really excited to get it because I don't have the neve budget but man... the real thing is kinda on another level isn't it? I did think the Neve on distorted guitar had a little too much low mids but the top is also different and is really special on the Neve. Sounds compressed and mixed it is incredible. I've used the 1073lb before but must say I think it's possible the 1073DPA sounds even better.

[@fernandoobregon3359]

I had to call my bank a report them. And they instantly sent it the next day. And asking me to remove the claim. I did once i recieved it like my bank said. I ordered the SA-87 mic.

[@anthonyrock5039]

How is the Stam now?

[@RUGBYmusic]

@@anthonyrock5039 I had to wait like 2 years which is really too long. Things should be a little better now since we are out of the pandemic. Sound wise it is really nice. The sowters have a little less 2-6k bite than the carnhill ones do. My only reference for that is from Stam’s own audio examples. It’s gooey fat, and slow in the best way possible. I’ve been using it a lot for vocals. Sometimes I wish it had a tiny bit more bite (2-6k) on synths and stuff it can be a little bit too fat sometimes. But yes it’s huge sounding and you can tell the difference when you are going through it!

[@jamjestrysiek]

The only thing I would maybe add would be the sound without any of the preamps at the beginning as the reference. :) They sound different. It would be interesting to hear the difference in the mix as well :)

[@CLaw-tb5gg]

Having never used one in person I always wonder how much of a difference these sort of things even make to the sound vs. going straight into a reasonably high-quality audio interface. I struggle to believe even if it does make a difference it's worth three grand, especially considering any difference is probably obliterated as soon as it's in a mix.

[@minecraftjedi033more3]

when you have low quality preamps you dont get as much headroom as you would when you buy a highend preamp which to me at least is very important as it allows you to be more dynamic, or just louder in genral. High end preamps also tend to require less eq in the mix, and specifically the 1073 have a really nice airy sound which would otherwise have to be done using an eq (my favourite for air eqing Maag Eq4 or 2). You have to decide for yourself if its worth it, but if you're going to use only an interface i'd recommend an audient one, because they have pretty nice preamps in them at a reasonable price.

[@CLaw-tb5gg]

@@minecraftjedi033more3 Sure, but if you've got a good-quality audio interface then noise isn't going to be much of an issue anyway. I've got an Apollo Twin Duo, and I fail to believe in purely fidelity/noise floor/etc. something like this or even a Neve is going to be any improvement.

[@minecraftjedi033more3]

C. Law i mean its entirely up to you to decide if its worth it. Also if you really want to figure out for yourself ive heard sound pure lets you demo some of their products, but im not sure about how that works right now because of the pandemic.

[@CLaw-tb5gg]

@@minecraftjedi033more3 I've come to the conclusion it really isn't. To be fair I've never used a hardware 1073, but I've used plenty of software emulations that people with a lot of experience have claimed is, at least on moderate settings, indistinguishable from the real thing. I've run blind tests on other people and generally people really don't seem to be able to hear any difference (there *is* a difference, mainly in the low end, but it's extremely subtle and generally not at all audible in a mix). Fancy preamps made much, much more sense in the days when their purpose was to actually literally be your preamp in your desk, rather than using it as something to colour the sound going into a super-clean preamp like we all have in our interfaces. Because then it was a straight choice between good preamp or shitty preamp. Nowadays.. yeah. Unless you're going the dawless all-hardware route I think you're getting extremely little bang for your buck buying a Neve, and should just get a good audio interface and EQ/comp plugins for far, far less money.

[@minecraftjedi033more3]

C. Law yeah i cant say the plugin or anything is bad as ive never really gotten a chance to try out the uad plugin, but ive heard a lot of ab testing and i seem to always be able to find a difference and obviously theres a huge difference between a final hardware mix and a plugin mix (i do have access to bx plugins but through plugin alliance not ua), but really as long as you have a summing mixer plugins wont be a bad option to use. In short words a summing mixer mixes down several tracks outside of the software adding more headroom and a bit of hardware coloration though that varies between units. If I want to only use plugins i would use at least this, because it really is amazing.

[@TheFloatingBartender]

What’s the red box under the speakers, with the two inputs and what looks like a screen?

[@JohnBrownemonuments]

Ritchie J Antelope Audio Amari mastering converters, which I haven’t actually used yet - waiting for something to arrive!

[@thebrainrecordingstudios8976]

The AMS neve sounds small and too clean compared to an actual OG 1073 or clones like the Brent Averill The Stam sounds nothing like an OG 1073

[@joshuastam7704]

My 1073 sounds identical to all my vintage 1073's. This one does not have the Sowter 1777 on it.

[@witnessthewrath8061]

Does your Stam have Sowter or carnhilll outputs?

[@phanosevangelou597]

I couldn’t listen to guitar on the Stam

[@metalfather8139]

Only a few interfaces bypass the built in pre amps when you use an external pre..so your expensive pre goes through the cheep one ..

[@JohnBrownemonuments]

The Antelope Orion doesn’t have any built in preamps.

[@TheFloatingBartender]

I’m actually amazing how much of a differences there is.

[@JohnBrownemonuments]

Ritchie J both sound great, just different!

[@TheDjfranco100]

In a parallel universe, john is a great bass player like Nolly

[@prodchronic]

I think john tracks the bass or at least has for the past albums, could be wrong.

[@TheDjfranco100]

@@prodchronic that's truth!

[@JohnBrownemonuments]

Chronic Delta yup, played bass on Gnosis, Amanuensis and about 80% of phronesis. I just went total blank when I pressed record.