Close encounter with cyclist gets me thinking!

I take a ride from the Route 59 Cafe near Skipton to the village of Helmsley near the North York Moors. In this part 1 I narrowly avoid a speeding cyclist on the wrong side of the road and discuss whether cyclists should be registered

[@saltaireorangebicyclechopp8555]

Anything, be it tax, registration, insurance, helmets, anything that discourages the simple, healthy, safe and societal beneficial activity of cycling is a bad thing.

[@thebingleywheeler]

Not that safe anymore

[@saltaireorangebicyclechopp8555]

@@thebingleywheeler cycling is one of the safest modes of transport per mile travelled, not safe is a common misconception, it's safer than being a pedestrian.

[@peterdane9138]

Electric scooters are the real pain. No insurance, no training and no protective clothing. Blasting down pavements etc.

[@craighumphreys9482]

Click bait bingo. How much damage is a bike doing to a road? If cyclists were required to pay excise duty it would be £000. as its based on emissions This doesn't pay for roads anyway, general and council tax does which most are paying anyway. Yes I am a cyclist and also a driver, I have had many more near misses with cars and motorbikes on the wrong side of the road after driving 40 years . Get up at 4am to go out for a ride as don't want to knocked over by speeding drivers in narrow lanes. Cycled to get to work for over 30 years to earn a wage and used to hear the same rubbish back then. There are people who cycle now because they cannot afford a car or motorbike, it should be made easier for people, not harder by swamping people in paperwork.

[@WainwrightWalksWiaLocalLad]

Sorry I'm a cyclist, your arguments have more holes than a string vest. It's a common hobby horse for people who are no longer able to to ride a bike....bear in mind I've had a brain haemorrhage, a brain tumor and in approaching 67😲. Im still able through stubbornness and determination I'm able to ride my bicycles up to 60miles. I also ride a motorbike, drive my sports car and a normal hatchback, have driven trucks and believe me it's not cyclists that are the problem. The drivers who really p##s me off are the suv/4x4 drivers, generally no idea of the size of them down narrow lanes... unable to use reverse..and an entitled attitude which makes them feel oh so special. Where do the electric car drivers/owners fit in with your proposed utopia... they don't pay emissions duty but weigh literally tons destroying our roads and clogging our lanes. My advice is never reinforce a stereotype... I noticed in a previous video there's a Honda CRV on your drive 🤔

[@Ritte13]

Well said sir

[@Andy_Bat]

SUV drivers, cyclists, horseback riders and pedestrians etc, let’s accept that there are good and bad examples in all types.

[@dancarter2963]

Electric vehicles owners have to start paying road tax from April next year. It was in the last budget.

[@thebingleywheeler]

@wainwrightwalks…whilst I admire your tenacity and determination to overcome adversity my friend i believe that my argument is perfectly coherent…..it doesn’t have holes in it just because you disagree. I’m not sure what you are trying to infer regarding my wife’s Honda CRV….we live a mile up the side of a steep valley and we adopt rescue dogs so a larger vehicle with 4 wheel drive is essential. I find it ironic that you assert it as unwise to re enforce stereotypes then go on to do just that with your 4x4 references…..

[@mashm6866]

You will find Wainwritewalks that as of April 2025 ALL EV vehicles will pay VED regardless of when they were purchased. £10 in the first year, then £190 per year thereafter. I sincerely hope you will accept bicycle tax/insurance as willingly as you want to impose on others. I am a retired Driving Instructor, and drive a car, and ride a motorcycle.

[@johnobrien3469]

The argument that cyclists don’t pay road tax is just ignorant one. I’m a cyclist and also have 3 other road vehicles (2 motorbikes and 1 car), that I pay road tax on. So come-on don’t use that silly argument to criticise road cyclists!

[@Teuchteronabike]

So specially designed cycle paths for use by cyclists only should be paid for by non cycling road users. Come on.

[@thebingleywheeler]

An argument is not “silly” just because you don’t agree with it 😎👍🏻 BTW…I’m a cyclist too 👍🏻

[@Teuchteronabike]

@HW-kf7hi That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Roads were, and still are, built with pavements as part of the infrastructure. Cycle lanes are a much more recent innovation which, in many cases, removes part of the road for cyclists exclusive use. The alteration of roads costs money in real terms and indirectly costs due to travel disruption during that work. Of course cyclists should be expected to pay for that.

[@thebingleywheeler]

@HW-kf7hi when was the last time you saw a pedestrian doing 40mph? 😂

[@thebingleywheeler]

@Teuchteronabike exactly 👍🏻

[@robwilkguitar4458]

I personally don't agree with any form of tax on cycling, policing is the issue or, more to the point, the lack of it. Our roads have become a free for all where some road users show a lack of respect. We all pay our fair share of taxes and should therefore learn to respect all road user's, following our code of practice as set out in the highway code would be a good starting point with more police presence. We all make mistakes whilst riding and driving so a little tolerance wouldn't go a miss either. Rant over, I really like your new bike and hope you have many happy hours riding it. Keep the videos coming and ride safe.

[@mariog4707]

I’m both a keen motorcyclist and cyclist and the last thing any of us need is more legislation. Specific to this “incident” after looking at the footage several times my take on it is the cyclist was well on his side of the road and doing nothing wrong. The motorcycle was off line in the middle of the road and startled having seen the cyclist late and needing to take avoiding action. The cyclist was going fast down hill yes, but no more so than a motorcycle would have been coming in the opposite direction.

[@thebingleywheeler]

The problem is GoPro footage never gives a good perspective. At the apex of the bend he was way over on the other side of the road and his rapid change back to the near side appeared panicked. As for going no faster than a motorcycle well that’s the whole point….the motorcyclist pays tax, insurance, registration and in many cases an MoT. The cyclist pays nothing….

[@mariog4707]

@@thebingleywheeler I don’t see the subject of tax and fees being the issue here. I drive my car, ride my motorbikes and ride my bicycles in a way that hopefully keeps me and others safe. I don’t see how taxing me to ride my bicycles is going to change the way I ride it. If as you say the cyclist was riding in a dangerous manner then you’ve every right to be annoyed but I also witness many car and motorcycle users driving in a dangerous way as well. Driving behaviour and driving fees don’t appear to be directly connected and I for one don’t want to see any additional taxes levied on anything.

[@thebingleywheeler]

@mariog4707 no connection between driver behaviour and legislation? Are you kidding?

[@mariog4707]

@@thebingleywheeler well that’s a different argument now. Legislation covering driver/rider (included bicycles) behaviour is effective as you say and I’m certainly not against that. We agree. However your argument appeared to be a concern simply about who pays to use the roads rather than how they use them - “The cyclist pays nothing…”

[@LifetimeBiker]

@@thebingleywheeler Hi , As I am not in your part of the world I am curious , Is there no keep left rule for cyclists in England ?

[@joshuathomas8529]

The problem with pedal bikes is that they don't have to abide buy the same rules as the rest of vehicles. Last year we had two fatalities in Idaho where a motorcycle and a pedal bike crossed paths unexpectedly. Both instances were the fault of the pedal bike rider. The one which I know the most details about happened because the pedal bike rider who was riding along the side of a strait stretch of road decide to do a U-turn. The bike rider did not see the motorcycle and was T-boned sending the bike rider to the graveyard and the motorcycle rider to the hospital. I am a believer that the schools should at the elementary level teach kids the rules of the road, and I am not against requiring bikes to have to have mirrors like motorcycles.

[@reldwob22]

"pedal bikes is that they don't have to abide buy the same rules as the rest of vehicles". They do in the UK.

[@joshuathomas8529]

@@reldwob22 In the United States they don't have to signal (though it is encouraged) They don't have to stop for stop signs, they can ride on sidewalks or roads. They can basically act as a pedestrian or a motor vehicle. If a motor vehicle hits a pedal bike, it is treated the same as hitting a pedestrian in most cases unless there is video.

[@reldwob22]

@@joshuathomas8529 That is asking for trouble. Are there differences in state and federal laws?

[@joshuathomas8529]

@@reldwob22 Laws can vary from state to state but they are usually the same when it comes to rules of the road. The feds really don't have anything to do with pedal bikes or motorcycles as far as how they are to be operated or rules of the road. The feds usually just concern themselves with safety of manufacture. I believe the feds do make sure that state laws don't differ so much as to make driving in Idaho totally different as to say driving in Utah. Some states may have safety laws about whether or not you have to have a helmet, but they generally let pedal bikes do what they want. E-bikes are a hole different game, how they are treated is becoming a legal headache. If I owned a E-bike I would do a lot of homework before riding it in my state or any other state.

[@thesilverfoxtravels6653]

Morning Dave, perfect day for a ride. Silver Fox Travels did indeed make an appearance albeit fleetingly at 50 seconds in going the other way…! 🤣 I’d agree with you regarding cyclists having at least third party insurance. And as a parent I would have gladly paid the premiums to cover my kids had such a thing existed back then. 👍

[@chrisrice983]

That particular cyclist may have been a bit to far to the centre of the road,he may have been avoiding a pot hole, hard to see, but you were also to far to the right, what if that had been a van or something larger who would you of blamed then? You had ridden past dozens of cyclist a group of which you passed very close to because of oncoming traffic and probably a lack of concentration due making sure it’s good “footage” I’ll never understand the anger towards a group of people just because they ride a bike, sure they do stupid things, but so do all road users, if a car jumps a red light the consequences are far greater than if a cyclist does, but that’s there decision all be it a very stupid one! But let’s tax and legislate more against the cyclists!! I have been subscribed to your channel since you had the Honda Crosstourer and have enjoyed your content, but putting cyclists in the title is just click bait, but hey ho you have to keep the pennies rolling in right? I know you won’t give a toss but I have unsubscribed, but not to worry you’ll soon get lots more, just put “cyclist” in the title.

[@Andy_Bat]

Maybe the cyclist not the bike should be registered and wear a hi viz jacket with their ‘number plate’ printed on and a little pocket for their insurance certificate.

[@chrisbrownbill3150]

Hi Dave, you seem to have a thing for cyclists, did you look at your road position when the cyclist came down the hill? Would you legislate all cyclists? As a father of 4 I encouraged my children to play out including cycling, had I had to pay taxes, registration and tax etc I probably wouldn't have let them play out on bikes. Finally, I've watched the section of video several tieetat approximately the 10.15point and your positioning was a little worrying. I still enjoy your videos and would not dream of being rude. It would be another source of very limited income, and again something the police would probably do little about.

[@martinlloyd7563]

Have to agree there on all counts.

[@johnratcliffe4105]

Chris.. A cyclist, if using the road is just as capable of causing carnage or some form of major incident.. If they are guilty of causing this and don't have some form of liability insurance ( 3rd party at least) who pays for the resulting aftermath/ damage/ injuries? When it comes to Cycles ( using the road) Road tax - NO.....3rd party liability insurance - YES also reg plate or some form of ID registration..😉

[@reldwob22]

@@johnratcliffe4105 "is just as capable of causing carnage or some form of major incident". Seriously? As a car, van, lorry or even motorbike? Need to think that statment through a bit....

[@thebingleywheeler]

As with other aspects of life it wouldn’t apply to children

[@simonchilli2088]

@@johnratcliffe4105 The ID could be that of the bicycle which is similar to the VIN on motor vehicles. A benefit would be that it would then be on the national cycle database which all cyclists can register their cycles on in case of theft at the moment.

[@LifetimeBiker]

Hmmmm , Well I initially agreed with your idea on cyclists , I then considered another possibility , Instead of giving already over controlling governments another revenue cash cow could we do the complete opposite , Remove all liability for other road users in regard to cyclists and make the cyclist fully responsible for their own safety and any damage they and their bikes may cause to other registered road users. Could that perhaps help remove the self entitled behaviour and arrogance often shown to other road users by many cyclists. I remember as a child learning to ride my first push bike my Dad taught me , "Look out for motor vehicles they can mess up your whole day , The drivers are concentrating on driving and may not see you immediately." Although , I do think a bad taste lycra tax could be a good thing ! 🤔😂 Anyway , Just a thought , No doubt many will disagree.

[@johnratcliffe4105]

Brilliant... Especially the Lycra tax...😉👍

[@Mikethebike721]

Totally disagree with you about cyclists. Cycling is a wonderful and healthy way to get about and probably contributes to the health and wellbeing of a large number of people in this country. My wife and I both cycle, my sons cycle and many of my friends cycle. They produce no emissions, and leave no trace. However, all of these people drive cars and some including myself ride motorcycles. Suggesting that they pay tax and insurance on top of what they already pay is completely absurd and would kill cycling. All because you and others find it a little inconvenient to share the road with other two wheelers. Why not force pedestrians who cross the road to pay for their bit of the road and obtain insurance in case they cause an accident whilst crossing. Take a look at how the Dutch or Danes deal with the issue by completely separating motor vehicles from cyclists. That works. BTW as someone else pointed out you were not completely faultless in your little encounter with the cyclist doing ‘40’ miles per hour. Having said that, I really enjoy your channel!

[@kwakithailand]

"Produce no emissions, leave no trace" Leftists' propaganda works well, indeed 🤷

[@Ritte13]

You were on the wrong side of the road…….crying before you’re hurt 😢

[@brockett]

Cycling should be as free as walking and not subject to licencing or tax. Some people, whatever they do in life, are selfish to the point of stupidity. Once they are required to be licenced, taxed and insured they will behave as if it is their right, by virtue of having paid the price to continue to be even more stupid. Uncle Ned ,cycling to his allotment, is not in the same category and should not be subject to the same impediments. However, everyone should have public liability cover in case, by any action, they give rise to another person's loss.

[@Ainsworth-Rider]

Morning TBW 😊 always a pleasure meeting you and I enjoyed our chat at the 59. You missed Foxy by seconds, perfect timing 😅

[@thebingleywheeler]

Good to see you James 😎

[@reldwob22]

Has regulating motorists ensured excellent driving standards? You notice the 10% of selfish cyclists, not the 90% of law abiding ones. If you want to make roads safer for all users' the focus must be on driving standards which cause far more (and far more dangerous) issues than cyclists.

[@thebingleywheeler]

Regulating motorists has definitely helped maintain good driving standards….there will always be exceptions

[@PaulBroughton-Alleyne]

Oh dear, what a can of worms! I disagree with your comments but it’s a free speech society and we are all entitled to our opinions. From a tax viewpoint, one of the basic principles is that any tax should be efficient. That is, easy to collect and raises more revenue than it cost to raise it. I think a tax on cyclists would increase all of out tax bills. It would not be efficient or workable.

[@MOTOUK1]

The Dutch do cycling right and all have cycle lanes taking them out of harms way from cars and general traffic. I am not a lover of cyclist tbh, especially when there is more than one and they ride two abreast. Madness on B roads coming round bends and nearly hitting them. Hope you had a good bank holiday weekend and picked out the sunny bits. Glad you’re enjoying the bike. 👍

[@borderlands6606]

Never ride faster than you can see.

[@saltaireorangebicyclechopp8555]

There are often sound, sensible, safety reasons why riders choose to ride two abreast, non cyclists are all too often oblivious to these situations.

[@MOTOUK1]

@@saltaireorangebicyclechopp8555I don’t see any safety reason for riding two abreast on a B road with corners and faster moving traffic coming round them. If you have a safety reason speak up, it’s just daft imo 😁

[@saltaireorangebicyclechopp8555]

@@MOTOUK1 Point proven. In the Dales B roads, space is tight, bends are sharp, cyclists are far higher up than drivers. They can see far more. With an impatient driver behind them, and spotting a potential hazard in the distance, one not visible to a driver. They might wish that driver to remain behind them, if he doesn't and takes the opportunity to overtake them and meets an unexpected hazard, the driver won't hit the hazard but veer away from it...... towards the cyclists space.

[@thebingleywheeler]

@saltaireorangebicyclechopp8555 lots of comments from experienced cyclists on here agreeing with the video….your rationale for riding two abreast does not stand up to scrutiny….apart from anything else you are citing an infrequent convergence of circumstances to justify your position. Cyclists riding two or more abreast and refusing to move into line to allow a perfectly safe overtake is becoming increasingly common and contributes towards frustrations and resentment which adds to overall levels of danger for all road users.

[@ogasi1798]

ABSOLUTEY NOT ! Sorry for the caps but this is a line in the sand and people need to stop approaching it

[@chrispomphrett4283]

No point drawing a line in the sand.....cyclists would just ride over it and keep going....😅

[@ogasi1798]

@@chrispomphrett4283 🤣🤣

[@edwardsenesac]

I think the point is regulating e-bikes that go 40 mph with no rules or training in place. They injure people on sidewalks and such without apology.

[@Peakwanderer]

Some lovely scenery Dave thank you, and a topic that gets you good viewer interaction which must be good for your channel 😊

[@riderramblings]

I am a great believer in "the perpetrator pays". If the cyclist causes an accident, that cyclist must pay for *_all_* the damages, costs and out of pocket expenses. If they don't have insurance, they are going to be poor for a (long) while.

[@PDCRed]

Presumably you believe old people crossing the road to the village shop should be insured?They’d have to be if you are going to force them to have to cover the costs of an accident. They might be the perpetrator after all. Your logic means the roads would need to be a legally prohibited area to everyone who didn’t have adequate insurance. Everyone.

[@kevin30b90]

Arguably the "perpetrator" is the person with the greatest responsibility and in the natural order of thing that's the person on the biggest machine i.e. the motorcyclist.

[@davidskaggs9914]

We don't see many bicycles on South Texas roads. People fear for their lives as there are not many bike lanes or bike paths dedicated for them. I reckon their would be many more if their were safe bike paths. UTRGV area does have more bike lanes but likely due to influence of the University.

[@gazman3568]

Get your bike up to Geoff at Hilltop motorcycles at Hinckley. ECU rewrite . More grunt more mpg and no more jerky throttle to comply with EU emissions bollox. . Every bike owned for last ten years is the first mod done and mates bikes as well.

[@alantheloneranger]

Many people use the argument that bicycles shouldn't be on the road because they don't pay road tax. A lot of cars don't pay road tax either so should they not be on the road

[@thebingleywheeler]

Correct….they shouldn’t

[@philipfieldhouse9229]

Totally agree with you regarding cyclists. People claim they produce zero emissions.....perhaps but they do increase road emissions by backing up traffic causing tailbacks and dangerous road situations. They must also have some form of identifiable registration marking making them traceable after breaking road traffic laws. Not saying they should pay a lot but they must be made to invest in road safety and laws as well as insurance.

[@motoexploration4169]

Here in the USA, there are more and more cities that use tax money to squeeze in a bicycle lane. In my area, the local government even went to the extent of putting in a special textured surface for the bicycle lane. It has obviously reduced the width of the car lane for a vehicle that does not pay any road tax. Additionally, there are many cyclists out there who like to ride on the line of their lane; so, half of their bodies are jutting out into the car lane; thus, reducing the car lane further. This confuses newer drivers and the inexperienced drivers would come to a stop or slow down to a dead slow speed because they do not know how to manage a cyclists with half of their body in the car lane and it creates a traffic jam. Regulation is needed and re-education of the local government is also needed.

[@peterwillis4239]

I am a motorcyclist and a cyclist (not a racing cyclist!) and I completely agree with you. If I cause an accident on my cycle due to my stupidity or I damage property or injure someone, I am liable to make appropriate amends to the parties concerned and as such I need to be insured even if it's just to fight a case against me of which I was not to blame. Surely you need to cover yourself especially as the roads these days have never been busier. This is my opinion only, as a road cyclist of 50+ years. N.B. A recent news item has said that causing death or serious injury by dangerous or careless cycling is set to become an offence. I assume as with any other road vehicle.

[@VRRonny]

Mind you, cyclist have no suspension what so ever, and 8 kg pressure on their tires, so with every pothole and bumps they get massive inpact and suffer much more from bad road conditions, and have even fewer protection when having accidents.

[@LongDarkTeatimeOfTheSoul]

You should know that roads are payed for from general taxation. Anyone who pays any tax pays towards roads. Most of those cyclists also most likely have a car & paying VED. Its likely that they’re in a club or organisation which will cover insurance. As for registration, thats just a daft idea, i mean, in this case, his ‘license plate’ would, like a motorbike, be on the rear, so, in this case, unidentifiable should you wish to raise a dangerous riding complaint. Cycling is the last free transportation. Leave it. They’re not all lycra clad loonies.

[@barrydaly7174]

Ohh you've hit a raw nerve there TBW.! ... A new added scourge is eclectic bikes . I had one "Herbert" wheelieing past me in a 40mph road full of speed cameras. So I go over 40 get 3 points and £100 for the privilege, he stays anonymous laughing his nuts off. Something indeed needs to be done.

[@ogasi1798]

Tbf you could do the same and take the same risk as the user - you don't out of choice. He/she is saying enough is enough to the rules after rules after rules while you are abiding - don't hate those that play the game differently to you.

[@barrydaly7174]

@@ogasi1798 Did you read the bit about speed cameras? I have a registered vehicle. There's Playing the "game" and there's taking the piss.

[@ogasi1798]

@@barrydaly7174 I said let them take the risks, it's up to them to face the consequences if they get caught, same with you and me. Screaming for them to be legislated against by criminal gvts isn't going to stop them doing what they're doing, nor help you/me/others .

[@barrydaly7174]

@@ogasi1798 "Anarchy in the UK..A!" Seriously the whole point is they can find me not them. So would you recommend everyone with a motor vehicle take off or hide their number plates then everything is equalised with unregistered vehicles?

[@davidellis5964]

I do agree cyclist should have some form of insurance and training. Most use the road sensible but some don't, riding three or four abreast and holding up the traffic ! they dont give a sh"t some of them. I am cyclist and motorbike owner and its not alway the cyclist fault, I have been cut up nearly squashed by an HGV. For this reason I don't ride bicycles anymore to bloody dangerous.

[@andrewhayes4246]

Bad fueling is a major consideration when buying a bike for me. All the remaps and booster plugs improve it but richen the mixture to where it needs to be which harms the economy. If Royal Enfield can get their 650's to work as euro 5's why can't they all?

[@FATBOY692011]

Road tax abolished 1936 or 37. Everyone that pays tax pays for the roads. A bicycle is not a 'mechanically propelled vehicle' for the purposes of taxation or the Road Traffic Act, you of course know this. You talk about road positioning of the cyclist, however on a previous video you didn't position yourself properly exiting a mini roundabout and rode pretty much to the right of the painted circle. If you're going to pick holes in others be prepared for the same back. Poor lane discipline causes all sorts of issues. Drivers in lane 3 doing 65 and not pulling into lane 2 or 1 impeding traffic flow cause all sorts of issues and frustrations. You mention road tax, licence plates and insurance. The one most important thing you missed is training. The roads today are far too dangerous, in my opinion, without some form of compulsory training for cyclists. Maybe motorised traffic and cycling should be properly segregated too in an effort to lessen conflict.

[@martintaylor5879]

It's 2024 you can buy bikes for 5 to 10k wheelie past speed cameras etc , but that said tax and insurance is very necessary I had a Scott racing bike many years ago and gave up it's more dangerous than having a Motorbike, I saw many accidents and some of them with my own stupidity and arrogance..they are now 2-3 abreast causing chaos and it needs addressing 😮

[@ewanburnett3956]

Treat yourself to a stan-stick it was popular in the 90s like a short tube with a rubber feral on each end, you put in under the swing arm on opposite side to the side stand and it lifted the back wheel a tad for ease of chain cleaning 👍🏻👍🏻

[@PDCRed]

Should pedestrians be regulated. Should runners be regulated. Should old people crossing the road be regulated. Should children riding through their village to their friend’s house be regulated?….. NO If the basic premise (as inferred by a few messages already) is that anyone causing an incident on the roads, through irresponsibility or otherwise, should be legally covered then EVERYONE should be prevented from entering the road area unless they have adequate insurance. This means an elderly person is not legally allowed to cross the road to use the village shop or meet a friend unless they can find the money for insurance. Children cannot cross the road to school. Ludicrous.

[@Robin-iv1kc]

Folly? = rolly

[@roscodog441]

Cyclists and road tax is a no from me ( never thought I'd say that) but the sense of entitlement from some Cyclists should be clamped down on, being made to stick to speed limits, not riding two abreast on busy roads, and using cycle lanes where available, none of these as far as I'm aware are enforceable at this time, but i do enjoy your musings while riding in God's own countryside and all the beautiful scenery keep up the good work 😊

[@johnstonstewart9683]

Agreed, I had a few close encounters with irresponsible cyclists this weekend in the borders and Northumberland .

[@brianperry]

A couple of days ago l approached traffic light controlled Road Works... l stop at the Red Light, as required ...however two Lyra clad guys just rode straight through with not a care in the world..Then they wonder why other road users get 'pissed off' at this blatant disregard of road traffic regulations....l agree with you they should be made more accountable.. like all other road users.

[@cousinjack2841]

First of all a Chinese bike on the channel and now daring to question the lofty status of perpetually offended cyclists; living life on the edge mate! Couldn't agree more; legislation; registration and regulation long overdue.

[@ianhughesroyalenfield]

Morning Dave. Unsure about making them pay a road tax, jeez they would think they owned the road then…….but I do think the “peloton” we often see on narrow lanes, should be banned. The “club” riders out to make life a misery for other road users, pulling to the wrong side of the road, making it impossible to safely overtake, riding 3/4 abreast etc. We (other road users), are expected to bow down to them, allowing 1.5m when passing, yet when we are stationary (maybe at traffic lights), they undertake up the inside, with inches to spare. Then when we come to try and pass them “again”, if we don’t fully give them room, we get abuse. I could go on, but many of them appear to leave their brains at home 🤬, common sense goes out of the window, and they are spoiling for a fight ! Agree they should have some form of insurance 👍

[@Ainsworth-Rider]

Morning Ian 😊 yes insurance is definitely needed and should be compulsory 🤨

[@ianhughesroyalenfield]

@@Ainsworth-Ridernice to see you making a guest appearance 😎

[@Grumpy-ub1vz]

I agree with you they should pay some form of insurance. They should also abide by the law and not ride through red traffic lights. Cyclists have as much right on the rad but must abide by the law.

[@JLo1960]

Morning Dave is regarding the fuelling on your bike, have you considered a Boosterplug?. Made by a chap in Denmark it's a plug and play device which fools the ECU into thinking the bike is cold which causes the ECU to enrich the fuel by six percent. It only works at idle and low speed. Once you get above a certain amount of revs it shuts off. I fitted one to my old RT and it made a huge difference in slow speed manoeuvres. Great video as usual by the way. Take care.

[@thebingleywheeler]

Cheers I’ll take a look at that

[@clayfarnet970]

What problems were you having with your RT? I’m assuming a bmw rt? The problem I have with mine is when I blip the throttle. It hesitates…and kind of burps. I did a throttle body sync , but didn’t help with that issue. Does the booster plug help eliminate that? It drives me crazy when rev matching. Thanks!

[@JLo1960]

​@@clayfarnet970My RT is an 1100. When I bought it four years ago it lurched dreadfully on and off the throttle at slow speeds, IE corners, roundabouts etc. I had the throttle bodies cleaned and synced which helped a little. I was on the point of selling it when I read a review of the Boosterplug. I figured for the sake of £120 I'd give it a try. Easy to attach to the air filter sensor and the bike is transformed, no more lurching, smooth pick up from a closed throttle and a steady idle. Have a look online at independent reviews, the vast majority of people who have fitted them say they are very happy with the difference in how their bike runs. As an aside I have no affiliation with the Boosterplug company, I just found it worked for my bike. All the best, ride safe my friend.

[@JLo1960]

Yeah my bike is a BMW R1100RT. When I bought it four years ago it lurched dreadfully on a light throttle, ie going into slow speed corners and roundabouts. I cleaned the throttle bodies and synced them which only helped a little. Saw reviews for Boosterplug and thought I'd give it a try. Bike was transformed and is lovely to ride now. Have a look on their website and also independent reviews. I have no affiliation with the company, just giving my views on how it worked for my bike. Ride safe.

[@nigelsride]

Have to agree with you about the cyclist, in the cotswolds I constantly see them riding 3 abreast, running red lights, pulling out without looking. Insurance is a must, road tax, and some sort of registration. I'm sorry not all cyclists are the same but I don't come across many. Only yesterday 3 of them when straight through a red light causing other vehicles to swerve and break hard. Rant over, love the bike 👍👍

[@zedcharlie]

That's a coincidence. I saw cars going through red lights too. People are the problem.

[@nigelsride]

Yep your correct in that

[@zedcharlie]

Maybe it's me getting old but it seems to get worse every year. A lot of stressed people on the road. ​@@nigelsride

[@nigelsride]

I'm the same sometimes its a chore, everyone rushing to get somewhere quickly. Kinds of spoils the ride sometimes.

[@thebingleywheeler]

@zedcharlie But you can trace a car but not a bike

[@lake76]

Cyclist's where I live are panful, sry cyclist's but with tourist traffic, people not capable of driving at the speed limit should not be driving, so slow drivers mixed with 2 abreast bikes on very windy country roads leads to massive tailbacks, which means Local people who Work here have issues getting anywhere on time. (That's probably gonna set a few off) I love my quickshifter, even around the village where I live is seamless, low speed if just as good as gunning it, helps no end with my thumb arthritis not pulling in clutch every single time.

[@mred7030]

i have more than one motorbike and a car and they all have to be road taxed but i can only use one vehicle at a time , tax me once !

[@stuartm3oep835]

What about those of us who ride bicycles and have 4 taxed, insured and MOT'd vehicles at home. .. oh and one is zero VED.

[@thebingleywheeler]

@stuartm3oep835 if you can manage 4 you can manage 5 surely

[@stuartm3oep835]

@@thebingleywheeler Okay so the cyclist in question has got himself some insurance (he may have that already) the DVLA have been burdened by having to intoduce an expensive system to collect Vehicle excise duty from him which is lets say zero cost to the end user. Before that however the DVLA have implemted a huge exercise to document and register millions of bicycles, the owners of which may have up to 10 bikes in their possession, the logistics of coming up with a number plate design that can be fitted to all types of bicycles has been introduced at huge cost to the tax payer and also said owners of bicycles. So now the cyclist you met has all that in place, what difference does all that make to your meeting in the middle of the road? Also a lot have said sod it and I'll give up cycling and go out in my car or on my motorbike instead, so instead of groups of cyclists you've now got long lines of groups of cars or motorbikes to contend with instead.

[@thebingleywheeler]

No not buying that argument for one minute my friend 👍🏻

[@slappyfz1s402]

Even though I agree with you it will not make any difference even if you regulate cyclists with insurance etc. If the cyclist had collided with you he would be seen as the victim as cyclists are classed as more vulnerable than a motorcyclist, and you would have been blamed for the incident. Saying that, there should be some sort of regulation for cyclists that use roads and that should include compulsory third party insurance, easily seen cycle registration mark, head protection and some basic training before they are allowed to use public areas.

[@acelectricalsecurity]

I think there isn't a cat in hells chance, how would it be enforced, what about little kids on their bikes do they need to be insured and taxed. If a scheme were to happen it would kill the cycle industry. What about horses, they are a real pain, why do they need to go on a road, they belong in fields, not to mention the crap they leave over the road, the riders don't pick that up in a plastic bag. Are they insured, if you have a coming together with one of those it ain't going to be pretty.

[@gregstretton8584]

I think cyclists should be made to have the same standards and laws that other road users need to comply with, they are a road using vehicle the same as all others.

[@rodneybarcus2233]

Yes to all three points on cyclists. Sometimes while riding or driving I come across a cyclists taking up the hole road holding up traffic creating a hazard. Sure they have every right to be out but not to be a nuisance.

[@Bazza47]

What's this chain thing you speak of 😂 totally agree with your heated grips/gloves conclusion. If you ride in winter heated grips only warm the palms of your hands while your fingers and backs of you hands are cold due to the wind chill. As a general observation the main cyclist offenders always seem to be men on road/racing bikes, especially when they're in a lycra Pelton when general common sense, obeying the highway code and consideration for others seems to go out of the window.

[@thebingleywheeler]

Spot on Bazza

[@sergentcolon1]

I’m not for cyclists paying road tax but I am for cycles being registered and showing a number plate so any cyclist breaking the law can be identified which at present can’t happen.

[@kevindarkstar]

Hi there Dave, just a quick question on the MT 800, given that it uses a version of the ktm 790 engine which appears to have a lot of people in the forums talking about excessive cam wear and issues with them, are you at all concerned about the engine in the CF Moto or are you being optimistic and hopefull that this issue has been resolved by cfmoto over the ktm version, just wondering what your thoughts are on this area 👍🏻

[@thebingleywheeler]

Hi Kevin no I don’t get concerned as the forums are never representative of the bulk of experience….nobody ever posts on a forum that they don’t have any problems. And with a 4 year warranty I have sufficient peace of mind 😎👍🏻

[@kevindarkstar]

@@thebingleywheeler Mmm that's a point, well it will be very interesting to see how it works out for you as time progresses with the bike, best of luck with it 🤞🏻😉

[@maskedavenger2578]

I believe all bicycles should have a number plate ,or be chipped to ping their identity . Also fitted with proper front & rear lights , plus bell or horn . All riders at age 10 should hold a cycling proficiency certificate & hold 3 rd party insurance as a minimum . Only small children’s bicycles & trikes should be allowed on public pedestrian areas & sidewalks . Back in the day , we did cycling proficiency training after school in the school yard at my primary school ,& took a cycling proficiency test , & awarded a badge , certificate and a sticker for our bicycles ,when we passed our test . This also I believe stood me in good stead , later on when I progressed to riding motorcycles as a learner rider . I reckon all primary schools should organise for their students to do cycling proficiency schemes , I think this would improve riding & driving on our roads , it certainly wouldn’t do it any harm . 👍

[@ewanburnett3956]

Correct about the cyclists as well. Another good video 👍🏻👍🏻

[@throttle_up]

I do not think that this specific kind of regulation is necessary for cyclists. What about minors? Will they be banned from riding bicycles because they cannot be held legally responsible to enter into an insurance contract? Sure, you could say a legal guardian would be responsible, but I feel by and large most cyclists' behaviour doesn't warrant this. However, I read with shock that the police do not consider cyclists to be bound by the speed limits, and indeed the table of limits in the Highway Code does not mention them. This kind of legal disparity definitiely needs to change. Cyclists are road users and must be bound by the same rules as all the others. I believe there is also a specific offense of racing on the public highway, and that would include time trialling. And if you are merely using the highway to train for such an event, that is of secondary importance to the safety of yourself and others, and the offenses of driving without due care and attention, careless driving, dangerous driving, et al, must apply.

[@thebingleywheeler]

A lot of legislation is restricted according to age so it would be straightforward to exclude minors from any such provisions. The Road Traffic Act legislates for “ Motor Vehicles” (defined as a “mechanically propelled vehicle intended or adapted for use on a road”) since pedal cycles escape this definition they also escape all the legislation including speeding. A recent case where a cyclist collided with and killed a pedestrian resulted with a charge of “wanton and furious riding” from the Offences Against the Person Act of 1861 as no other charge was available. This is why there needs to be more regulation imo

[@andrewdyson4255]

Morning Dave, I’m not against cyclists but it’s always the odd one that is the pain as in all cases I’m afraid. The irresponsible ones give all the rest bad press as with motorcycle riders too. So I’ll sit on the fence on that one, BUT if you want to get me wound up just mention the folk on these pedestrian controlled vehicles that the old folk use. Round here with the age demographic that it is the pavements are akin to the M62 on most days especially if it’s sunny. No insurance or training, most riders can’t see or use them properly. I know I’m very close to the age when these things may have to be considered but if anything needs legislation it’s those. Keep death off the roads just drive on the pavement ( rant over) have a good day old chap.

[@Splodge4514]

I agree but instead of road tax, so to speak. I think they should pay a nuisance tax, a causing an inconvenience tax and then the ones who think they are completing the Tour de France every weekend and bank holiday should pay as much as a very large HGV tax. Then we have the go pro brigade who are just out looking to cause trouble. They should be caught and jailed for life lmao. 😂 but on serious note times have changed. Cyclists need insurance, need identification and the road traffic act needs to be amended to include them for the purposes of responsibility for causing accidents, damage and committing offences. Cyclists have to move with the times just like the rest of us. The roads are busy and congested enough without cyclists causing more problems. I am a keen cyclist but who firmly believes that we share the roads, not own them! 😂

[@thebingleywheeler]

Perfectly put sir 😊👍🏻

[@johnratcliffe4105]

Dave . I drive for a living., that is, I've done buses, coaches and Class 1 LGV's - just when you think you've ' seen it all they do something else to surprise you. A lot of cyclists ( not all) already have this 'holier than thou' attitude on the road, and the more recent changes in legislation just exacerbates this.. In particular, I'm aiming at the recent ish ruling that bigger vehicle takes the majority of the blame in the event of an incident.. Sorry, but that is absolute horses**t, because they know that someone else is likely to take most of the blame, especially in the event of 'Balance of probability ' It just encourages ignorance and bad behavior/ habits ( as if they need it) Uber/Just Eat delivery riders Just as guilty as any other-Earphones in( not listening )staring at Google maps on their handlebars(not watching )drifting off pavements without looking behind,swerving round parked vehicles and obstructions - same. Flying through various types of pedestrian crossings, without waiting for priority and usually at the last second, and apparently, us sensible folk, can't do this about it and can't say that. So what do these people have to lose legally by being this way? The chances of a reprimand are almost zero. Current legislation almost encourages it.. You could apply this to any type of criminality too. As a result, bad behavior cant be challenged by the general public, and on the occasion a Patrol car or better still Traffic car witness this sort of thing, they choose to look the other way as its not a priority to them .. (I see it almost every day) And we wonder why society in general is going down the plughole.. If you use the roads on something that has wheels or mechanical propulsion or both, as a minimum, folk should have to do a CBT type competence course, have a Reg plate, or be registered in some way, and have some form of liability insurance, 3rd party as a minimum.. Cyclists are just as capable of causing a major incident as other road users, and who pays for the aftermath if they have no liability insurance? Rant over- ive got a headache.. Bet you have now .😝👍

[@paulclarke1233]

Hi bingley wheeler, I fully a greey that cyclist need to pay road fund tax and insureance as car and moter bikes and as you say that cause ware and tear to roads and when they knock some one down they need to pay and if they bump it cars or moter bike s and cause damage they need to pay if it's there fault and as you say the tax needs to be fair for that vercal and insureance

[@Peakwanderer]

VED will of course be zero, even my petrol car is VED free.

[@clive4741]

I ride those exact same roads that you use, what about the increased emissions that the Mamil's cause by forcing motor vehicles to queue behind them at slow speeds for miles, when they all ride in packs and 4 abreast ? I'd call it an arrogance tax !

[@Peakwanderer]

Middle aged men in leathers always makes me smile.

[@clive4741]

@@Peakwanderer 🤣

[@thebingleywheeler]

@clive4741 Well said sir

[@leswatson8563]

Several years ago I saw one of them men in lycra hit a car as it stopped at the traffic lights. How he screamed and shouted about his buckled front wheel? Yet he rear ended a car? Guess it takes all types 🤣🤣🤣

[@lestersmyth692]

A damned nuisance for sure which needs better controls in place.

[@benkelly2190]

I cycle myself (non Lycra mountain bike) and am quite embarrassed, by some cyclists! Yes the Bradly Wiggins’s, wannabes. Nothing worse than a fat arse, in Lycra, bobbing about in your eyeline! When they ride side by side, on a busy road with a line of traffic, behind them. Pure selfish! Half the problem is drivers, who don’t have the confidence to overtake.

[@stephenmiller8058]

Cyclist cause traffic jams. Vehicles especially hgv get held up doing 2mpg instead of 8 plus mpg. Therefore cyclist cause more pollution and not very green at all

[@stuartm3oep835]

This laughable comment seems fimilar, have you said it before? Oh and have you never seen queues of lorries and cars before?

[@stephenmiller8058]

As l am on the road as my living alot of hold ups on A roads guess what's at the front. A cyclist or two. I have no problem with people using cycles only the tight short idiots. You try overtaking when weighing 45 tons

[@Peakwanderer]

@@stephenmiller8058 Wouldn't that make you overloaded? You haven't answered my question about being held up by other traffic? you know big queues of cars and lorries. Oh and I ride in jeans or normal shorts and very occasionally lycra, why does what I wear affect your attitude towards me? Conversely I do appreciate that there are times when I hold traffic up, I'll always do my best to minimise any delay and always thank drivers as they pass as acknowledgement that I'm aware I held them up and appreciate their consideration for me. I do of course also often get held up in towns by cars and lorries but appreciate everyone is just as entitled as me to be using the roads. I own and drive two cars a motorhome and several motorbikes.

[@lexico69]

Road maintenance is paid for by council tax. Excise duty is payed on emissions. How do you insure a child on a bike.

[@thebingleywheeler]

1. Not all of it 2. No it’s “scaled” according to emissions….no reason why it can’t be extended or some other duty levied on cycles 3. The same way you insure your dog

[@blacksmithsligo]

I don't think cyclists should be taxed or need insurance. We need to bare in mind that a bicycle is a cheap form transport open to all. It gives kids their first taste of independents, and for me as a youngster on a yts scheme, meant I could afford to get to work. However, there seam to be no interest from the government in informing cyclists of their responsibilities. In fact it feels like the total opposite. Government need to start a public information campaign informing cyclists of their obligations and responsible cycling.

[@johnratcliffe4105]

So who pays and how if a cyclist causes a major incident, if they have no form of liability insurance?.

[@blacksmithsligo]

@@johnratcliffe4105 who pays if a pedestrian courses a major accident? Not every eventuality in life can be covered and we need to create balance.

[@kevin30b90]

Liability rests with whomever has the biggest vehicle as they have the ability to cause the most damage. If that's you, then embrace the responsibility and act accordingly.

[@thebingleywheeler]

@kevin30b90 not quite correct….the Highway Code creates a hierarchy which prioritises more vulnerable road users but it doesn’t mean that culpability lies with larger vehicles where a smaller one is clearly at fault 👍🏻

[@johnratcliffe4105]

@@kevin30b90 Cyclists and other road users have a history of doing certain things that , no matter how cautious you are, you cannot defend against..Are you saying everyone else should be responsible for that? Being in a bigger vehicle makes you more vulnerable to this as you cannot stop or evade as efficiently as smaller vehicles.. Like everyone else, a cyclist has a responsibility to themselves and everyone else just like other road users. Your comment suggests that all other vehicles should take responsibility for cyclists failings. We will always do our best to react and avoid as best we can, allbeit while swearing. But its no guarantee, if they break road traffic law and get hurt, or worse, its no- one elses fault but their own. That demonstrates the importance of road sense and awareness training.

[@cthulhurising4860]

Nope, cycling should remain a low cost & accessible transport & excercise option for all road users, without adding legislation & impediments. In fairness, motorcyclists don't have the greatest reputation for obeying traffic laws & there are those who would ban us from the roads also. I'm all for improvement in safety measures, but having bicycle insurance would not achieve anything meaningful except provide the government yet another way to extract revenue

[@mikeanderson6055]

A couple of things there mate, motor vehicles pay emissions tax not road tax. Roads are paid for through general taxation so all road users pay for roads. A lot of cyclists have insurance through membership of British Cycling. To be fair to the cyclist there you might have a look at your own road positioning on that corner. Obviously a popular road with cyclists. I ride bicycles, motorcycles, drive, tow a caravan and work as a delivery driver so in general I would say there are a lot of irresponsible ROAD USERS we all have a right to be on the roads and enjoy them. Love the videos by the way.

[@johnratcliffe4105]

He was left of centre, which is within legal road positioning.. Ok where possible, ideally you should be as far over to the left as possible on a right hander, but not at the risk of potholes, debris, punctures etc...We don't really know what he may have been avoiding. Ok, the cyclist may have needed to avoid the same, but if you have to go right of the 'centre line', you give way to and do not infringe on oncoming traffic. It doesn't need to be any more complicated than that, its basic road traffic law..

[@mikeanderson6055]

My comment re. Road positioning was an attempt to address Dave's comment "the cyclist got that completely wrong". I don't think Dave got his positioning completely right. In fact the cyclist appears to have had a good view and was able to take avoiding action. I'm not judging just commenting as requested.😊 Live and learn eh? @@johnratcliffe4105

[@gazman3568]

I ride mostly rural country lanes where I live as main roads are boring. Either on my motorcycles or bicycles. I have had numerous occasions over the years of lycra clad tossers, clubs from out of area whom think our rural lanes belong to them, riding in groups in pairs on twisty lanes 6ft wide at most and using whole lane two abreast and I blind bends mean family's walking dogs, kids on bikes, lovely lasses on horses and huge tractors may be round that bend. So ride accordingly. Do not expect to have had two nearly head on crashes with said lycra arsehole's riding in pairs going far faster than me on blind bends on their racing bicycles. I was doing about 12 mph at most on bicycle once and literally had to go onto verge to avoid head on collision, second time on Yam T7 and crawling round bend and just backed throttle off as thought why should I have to brake as on my side of road as the group panicked and tried to get onto their side of road without knocking other riders off. I came across a lass walking her dogs in our village whom had to drag herself and her dogs onto verge to escape a group as they past me at speed. We both agreed that we hope the next bend has a huge tractor n trailer coming their way. No wonder we cyclists are hated.

[@MrB1967]

Responsible cyclists do usually have insurance. Anyone in the CTC is covered. Same with horses - I think you'll find most riders have some form of insurance. As for road tax, that's nonsense mate, sorry. A 8kg bicycle does zero damage to the roads. Not to mention that, most cyclists already pay "road tax" (that hasn't actually been a thing since the 1920s) because they have cars, motorbikes etc.. and still the roads crumble. UK roads are as we know garbage. Just had a week in France, saw one pothole in ten days and 1500 miles. As for visually identifiable, again definitely not. Maybe that's the old copper coming out there? What about pedestrians? Should they be visibly identifiable too? Or electric scooters 🙄

[@clayfarnet970]

It’s all a SCAM! The real discussion should be, how much of our road use taxes…gas taxes, hidden “road” taxes are actually used to fund our roads and bridges? Judging by the roads in my area, I’d say 10% at most. Just wait for our governments to declare “a war on roads.” That’s when you know we’re really F@#k§d.

[@mikeocallaghan8892]

Crikey - are real bag of worms opened up here!!! I ride both a motor and pedal cycle. The former was able to progress after the invention of the latter. They are in fact related. That location is a National Park. I ride my bicycle in that location and that specific decline has a poor road surface on the near side which forces a cyclists towards the centre of that road. Having said that due to the steepness of the descent a bicycle can travel at a fast rate of knots and 40mph is more than likely. I wouldn’t ride my motorbike on that particular road as I know the potential dangers due to poor vision as it is a continuous bend on a steep decline shared by many walkers, cyclists and the odd horse - not to mention a plethora of car drivers. I’ve even witnessed car and caravan such is the beauty of satnavs!!! As for tax, insurance and licence. It’s not going to happen. I have insurance which only costs me £30 for the year third party. And tax- what would that be based upon??? Certainly not emissions, or damage to the roads. Pedestrians have as much right to use that road as motorists - should they be taxed?? Just as cyclists may be an annoyance to you so motorcyclists may be an annoyance to other road users. We have to be tolerant. The truth is that our roads struggled to cope with all the demands placed upon them - far too many users of all descriptions. Please note that you passed many cyclists before this one caused concern and only then were your heckles raised. The National Parks would prefer all visitors to leave their motorised vehicles beyond the reaches of such Parks and travel by either public transport or foot. Now we don’t want that do we. So when entering such parks proceed with extreme caution because you will encounter an abundance of bicycles, walkers and some horse riders - not to mention farm vehicles. I can say with certainty having ridden a bicycle dozens and dozens of times within that exact location that motorcyclists are very rare due to the fact that it is a rather tricky road to negotiate.

[@thebingleywheeler]

@mikeocallaghan8892 I’m a cyclist too so no partisanship here. I suggest a registration fee to cover the admin costs of matching a particular bike to a particular owner (adults only of course). And certainly third party insurance cover (I believe that these provisions will come along before too long in parallel with the creation of statutory cycling offences as there is a campaign group lobbying government following the death of an elderly pedestrian hit by a cyclist. Such legislation would be of little use without a registration system allowing for offenders to be traced….so I think there is a good chance it will come) Finally after 40 years of motorcycling and even more of cycling, it’s become very apparent that cyclists have a massively bigger impact than walkers, horses or farm vehicles. All fine (as you say they have as much right to use the roads as other vehicles) but they can’t have it for free…sorry

[@Grumpy-Goblin]

I think cyclists have become a menace in recent years. I'm fine with them sharing the roads and I'm not sure about registration and insurance because how would you enforce it? What about kids on bicycles? I do, however, think they should be policed more than they are and held accountable for irresponsible and dangerous riding. I see too many thinking the laws don't apply to them.

[@chrisweeks6973]

I used to live in the middle of Sherbooke Forest, in the Dandenong Ranges, to the east of Melbourne. We would get a lot of tourists of a weekend; we referred to them as 'terrorists,' as they either wanted to do 3 mph whilst gazing at the scenery or 300 mph around the corners. Either way, they were bloody dangerous. If I had to out of a weekend, the only time I felt safe was when I had 20 tonnes of fire-truck underneath me! Re cyclists and paying tax etc, I take your point about their need to behave responsibly, but would you impose that legal and financial requirement on the 7-year-old child who gets their first bicycle? The subject is certainly a can of worms, as the number of comments here show!

[@davew-jk5te]

We do need a debate on this subject at government level as cycling has evolved over the years with newer technology including E bikes. I am a cyclist motorcyclist car and retired truck and coach driver. Every drive/riderr of ANY vehicle be it bike car or whatever needs to take responsibility, there are many things that could be done to make EVERYONE safer but you can't please everyone and crucially what would it cost to implement? Would it be a vote winner or loser at the polls? .

[@leighcoulson2148]

I'm a very keen motorcyclist and cyclist. Road Tax for cyclists - Absolutely not 😠.

[@davidtait7407]

After that last comment,.. I think you should tax cyclists for their attitude 😀. Life is so much fun , this comment comes to you from an ex cyclist Been on a motorcycle for nearly 40 years and always found good consideration by other road users. Being a realist everyday you experience a couple of complete Bells!! on all forms of transportation at any given time😩

[@davebarclay4429]

I don't have any strong views about cyclists paying road tax but cyclists should have compulsory third party insurance and be subject to the same legal regime as drivers when it comes to careless or dangerous riding. It is beyond outrageous that a speeding cyclist can kill an elderly woman in Regents Park and walk away scot free. (Google the name Hilda Griffiths if you think I'm making that up).

[@49googie]

Could i ask what are the very comfortable looking gloves you are wearing ?

[@thebingleywheeler]

EBay second hand job 😎

[@Teuchteronabike]

Considering the amount of money being invested to make cycle lanes it seems logical that cyclists should contribute. I would also agree that they should have insurance and some sort of identifier. Having had my car hit by a cyclist who rode off leaving me to claim my own insurance, pay the excess and have increased premiums is grossly unreasonable.

[@rickh8380]

Beautiful day for a ride Dave. Thanks for taking me along. English back roads are pretty narrow as it is. I don't know how you do it. Here in the States the roads are usually wide enough. Some roads even have dedicated lanes for cyclist. One of these days he might not make it at those speeds. Sad. Take care bud and loving that CF Moto. Cheers

[@graemetaylor629]

does this purchase mean you might be doing some touring Dave?

[@thebingleywheeler]

Hopefully Graeme 😎👍🏻

[@nicholasjarrold8649]

Beautiful ride out as usual certainly weather at its best looking forward to part two take care

[@davidtait7407]

Dave you are “ Lord of the hornet nest stirrers “. I love it, don’t ever stop being you fantastic 👍

[@thebingleywheeler]

Cheers David 😎

[@tonyplant2337]

The cyclist was travelling too fast for the road conditions. Damp road under trees, sharp bend, if he had to stop quickly (livestock or people in the road) he would have slid off and possibly hit oncoming traffic. Forget road tex etc, implement the same system as Australia Rego. Cycle is registered to you at your address, you pay a fee say £20 and receive a tag which you attach to the bike. The £20 annual fee includes third party insurance. If the bike gets nicked the Police can scan the tag and return it to the owner. If the owner rides like the clown in this video the Police can scan the tag and have a chat. Any vehicle using the road should have, at a minimum third party insurance, motor vehicles without insurance get seized and crushed!! Before everyone starts with the "I already pay too much" a quality bike costs thousands, if you can afford the bike then paying £20 per year should be no issue.

[@thebingleywheeler]

That’s a cracking idea Tony cheers buddy 👍🏻

[@Peakwanderer]

Wow was that it! Other road users are legislated but that doesn't stop them from doing stupid things does it, when you talk about quick-shifters you even allude to riders pushing the envelope. and while we're being critical where's the thanks for giving way to you at 3:37 ? I thought Yorkshire folk were friendly.

[@thebingleywheeler]

Well first off that car did not appear to be giving way it just looked “stopped” to me. As can be clearly seen from my other videos I always “thank” other road users who afford me a courtesy so it’s rather unfair to make a generalisation about not being “friendly”. Secondly your claim that other road users being legislated for doesn’t stop them doing stupid things….so presumably if we scrapped all the laws relating to motor vehicles there would be no change in behaviour….seriously?? Of course laws restrict bad driver behaviour the evidence is clear there. Regarding “pushing the envelope” we clearly have a different understanding of its meaning. Thank you for your comments though 👍🏻

[@Peakwanderer]

@@thebingleywheeler My point was that despite being legislated some people still do stupid things, I wasn't suggesting we scrap legislation and make it a free for all. So that follows that even if as you are advocating cyclists are legislated there will still be some who do stupid things regardless. I saw a cyclist and motorcyclist occupying the middle of a narrow road and both moving to accomodate each other. My quip about not giving a thank you was I guess in retaliation to what I consider an unwarranted rant, an emotional response on my part sorry, althought I have noted similar lots of times but never been emotionally triggered to point them out, perhaps I'm just too nice and expect others to be as considerate as me.

[@thebingleywheeler]

@Peakwanderer surely a concern that cyclists behaviour should be codified in some way the better to make the roads safer for everybody is hardly an unwarranted rant….all I ever seek to do is to articulate a position and to give a rationale based on many years experience of dealing with road traffic matters professionally. I’m sorry that you felt that it was a “rant”…..nobody else seems to have taken it that way even those who take a different position on the subject (which of course they are perfectly entitled to do). Ride safe my friend 👍🏻

[@Peakwanderer]

@@thebingleywheeler Sorry rant is harsh, I'm quite emotive at times. A test of some description yes, registration VED and insurance no. I've 9 bikes so that would be a nightmare. Although I like many others I have 3rd party insurance via Cycling UK. Surely the highway code already covers how cyclists should behave. There's way too much negativety currently being directed at cyclists from all angles and it is definitely impacting on how people behave around me out on the roads.

[@zedcharlie]

You could apply same logic to pedestrians.

[@thebingleywheeler]

Not seen one doing 40mph lately 🤣

[@zedcharlie]

@@thebingleywheeler I have very long legs. Still only get about 5 max though.

[@duncancleverley6366]

Cyclists should definitely have insurance. If the tradesman who comes to my home has to have public liability insurance then cyclists should definitely have it for the road. Looking forward to more rides on the CF Moto.. surprised it doesn’t have a centre stand as standard but then again Triumph no longer fit one to the T120 as standard either.. everything seems to be an optional extra now.

[@cbrider726]

!00% agree . We all tax our cars and bikes .We all have to pass a test unlike cyclist . One biggie for me is when we run a red light we get fined and points on our licence . Yet a cyclist can do what ever the hell he wants and with no repercussions ???? hows that right ??? The laws or our roads needs to be looked at and urgently . Great stream .Thanks 👍👍👍

[@ianhalliwell8604]

I couldn't agree more regarding cyclists there a law onto themselves and of course if that cyclist had run into your good self who'd be forking out for the damages, why you of course, even though you weren't to blame. That in my book is a disgrace.

[@colperry3399]

Dave was not on the wrong side of the road, if you look closely he did move a touch to compensate for the camber of the road changing.

[@stevesanelli90]

Damn those crazy Lycra wearing pansies. If they chose to cycle on the road & not in dedicated bicycle lanes, then user pays. Bugger them. I’m more interested in the fabulous 800MT & your future modifications! If fueling is an issue, Australia developed an EFI map specific for Global CFMoto 800MT. Hopefully, your bike received this update? If not, check with your dealer & contact CFMoto Global. This new update significantly reduces a snatching throttle & hesitation. Please check this out. Cheers TBW⭐️

[@thebingleywheeler]

Cheers Steve I’ll check that out

[@alancoath]

It's not just road users. I've lost count of the number of times I've nearly been wiped out by a cyclist speeding along our so-called pedestrianised High Street. I could be lying on the floor with a broken hip or something with no chance of compensation and, with no means of identification, the cyclist could just ride away scot-free. I don't agree with road tax but they need at least to display some sort of registration number.

[@thebingleywheeler]

Well said sir

[@richardfews2113]

Hi Dave,I road cycle as well as biking.I would have no problem in paying third party insurance.If I get hit off by a car then I'd be after them like a shot via their insurance so it makes sense that when cycling if I cause an accident or damage I should provide the same protection/ assurance and also be covered.A cyclist was so say hit off by my daughter when she turned left; they were undertaking in a cycle lane.She signalled but couldn't prove it :the cyclist must have been going so fast as a result of the damage to the car. He said she didn't signal and claimed via one of those "wheres there's a blame there's a claim sols" - it was something like £30 + as a result of dentistry ,loss of earnings....he got off and walk away at the time and said he was fine.Safe riding

[@richardfews2113]

£30k

[@thebingleywheeler]

An excellent example there Richard

[@richardfews2113]

​@@thebingleywheelerjust out of interest I got a quote for £1m pub liability cover; £17pa... ( Just an idea ,how about reviewing Andy's bike ?)

[@thebingleywheeler]

@richardfews2113 he has given me an open invitation to do so which I hope to take up soon buddy 👍🏻

[@johnheaney414]

I totally agree with you on cyclists

[@stevecoppin4278]

Good Morning Dave , I have to agree with you 100% , I live on the main road through my village & i have nearly been hit twice stepping out of my front door onto the path by cyclists going hell for leather & if you say anything to them you just get a mouth full of abuse , anyway take care & ride safe

[@PDCRed]

If a careless jogger ran into you would you call for the same for them?

[@thebingleywheeler]

Cheers Steve all the best

[@mashm6866]

Absolutely cyclists should be insured. They now hide behind the new rules of tiered responsibility, and use it to cover all forms of dangerous and inconsiderate riding. The number of times they baulk traffic riding three and four abreast shows their complete contempt for others, and in most cases, they haven't got a clue that anybody is behind them. And before the wokies kick off, there are cyclists who do act responsibly who maybe could help by having a word in the shell likes of the others.

[@kevindarkstar]

12:01 while I agree with you on the 3rd party liability for cycles I don't agree with the road tax, because as a people we all are screwed enough, in fact way over fair amount, especially when our government waste huge amounts of our money on bullshit and themselves, cycles have virtually zero effect on the roads in a physical sense, both in size and weight, so as most people who cycle pay huge amounts of tax in all the other areas of their life and probably own cars too I see no reason to get them to pay so called 'road tax' IMHO 😊 👍🏻