"Close To Engage" by Nutnfancy

[@hickok45]

Great points; I hadn't seen this before. Thanks for reminding us of these things. Isn't it ironic that the "Gun Free Zones" can be the most dangerous zones in which to find yourself. Hickok45

[@johnbort2]

I will confirm some of what Nutnfancy says here. With regards to training as a Marine, when ambushed, the best thing to do is move/run into the fire, not away from it. Initially, as a young Marine, this seemed crazy. The more you consider it, it is the best option. 1)They are then worried about getting shot at , which will affect their marksmanship 2) when running away you are just a target with your back to the enemy. 3) Moving to the fire, you have a chance to shoot them and stop the danger. I always carry and so does my wife..hopefully, we never have to put this kind of thing to the test.

[@jmpriester]

I watch this video every few months to strengthen my resolve. Thanks Nutn!

[@mpccenturion]

I live in Canada. I still have carried something, for 35 years. Blades and baton. I live in a low crime area, but home invasions and bad stuff- wolves have become the norm here too. Thanks! This really reaffirms my philosophy for all those years.

[@WOLFPAINTBALL]

Very well said Nutn, but the enigma is if no one acted on a MILITARY base where these people are trained to deal with such situations, who the hell is going to do it in a civilian scenario??? i have in the past , but i have security experience, but SheepDogs are few and far between in the normal world, we need MORE

[@topgunbobby]

This video gave me chills. Every word spoken should be drilled into your head! You are an inspiration to fellow CC carriers! God Bless.

[@drewmahn]

The timing of this subject is UNREAL. I watched the Sheepdog post the night before Ft.Hood. Thanks for the videos, professionalism and forum. Keep it up!

[@texdad91]

Great video! Just a couple of months ago we had a shooter outside the courthouse in my hometown of Beaumont, TX. Although the shooter was on trial for felony child molestation, that didn't stop him from shooting multiple people before he could be stopped. However, no law abiding sheepdog would even have had a pocket knife since you get searched and disarmed upon entry to the courthouse. BTW, muggings are very common around here just outside of hospitals as well (another free fire zone).

[@bruechel]

If I had my Glock on me I'd like to think I'd run towards gunfire to save lives. But there is no way I'd charge a man with an assault rifle armed with nothing but courage and my fists. Of course I'd want to help people, but how could I possibly justify to my wife why I carelessly threw my life away with such a slim chance of making a difference? How could she justify to my 18 month old son when he gets older why his father isn't around to love him and care for him? I care for all people more than myself, but my family comes first every time. No question.

[@guitarplayabreh9445]

Depends on the situation, if i've got cover enough to get close, i'll take that chance, probably get killed anyway, why not do it trying to help people?

[@davidjanuszewski5020]

I've not heard of a stupid 'Sheepdog", brave , yes, but never stupid... The only time to charge, is when you know that you will be assaulted and there is no way out, then, everything you have inside must swell-up and an all out attack on the threat is demanded... If you are armed, then a armed response is applicable, not because you can, but, because it is the right thing to do... Chances are your in the Mall with your family, and all hell breaks loose, securing your family is first and foremost... Then and only then you should consider an attack on the perp...

[@joeroy8354]

I'm naturally protective person myself but and I hope my instincts can be controlled in certain citations bc I have a family also to take care of. I help anyone any time I can and I'm a easy going nice person but you mess with my loved ones the Pittbull comes out.

[@toynazi]

How can you justify saying "Assault Rifle"?

[@guitarplayabreh9445]

Keith Richards liver If you're assaulting someone with it, then I guess it's an assault rifle.

[@Jaasau]

Just got the paper work to carry concealed yesterday. It is something that I take very seriously. I am not a gun expert, but I hope to be able to become a sheepdog and help protect my fellow citizens. Turnaround is about 2 to 3 months up here in Maine however. Not counting the classes.

[@Nyquirk]

I have been denying that I'm a sheepdog but my intelligence and capability would be wasted if I bailed on having the courage to step up. This video inspired me to remember that we are all responsible for each other to an extent. I need to dedicate more to practice and this is a great argument to not get lazy.

[@echoesofthedead]

fantastic video. everyday, for 30 years I have carried a gun, and other types weapons for a living. and everyday I have wondered "what if?" it is a legitimate question to ask of myself. but I know I will always run toward the gunfire, and not away from it. some of my best friends are sheep...they would never step up. I will. because I adhere to the patrolman's credo, which in part says, "I will survive..." my wife will not think of me as having thrown away my life, but be proud of me for stepping up when others would not. the sacrifice is a personal one, but one I would, and will make-every time. and as always: semper fi, carry on!!

[@callunas]

Thank you nutnfancy, I watched this video about a year ago...just a few months ago my aunt who works at the bank as a teller was robbed at gunpoint in a "gun free" zone (and city...this is LA). Fortunately the robbers didn't kill anyone, but they did fire some shots in the direction of her! That is so scary that she ended up to quit her job. It is very sad that kind people are forced to obey a criminal's orders out of fear.

[@arkee71]

i think its important for sheepdogs to remember how much good it would have done in this situation to save possibly 10 people or more...think of the loss and damage done by the fallout by the loss of 10 goos people they are sons daughters fathers mothers uncles aunts granparents etc...i think its important to take this to heart what one madman can take from good families....ty for your time

[@bwtr203]

Almost always armed here weather it be in my personal life or in connection with my duties for my job, nobody would ever suspect unless they are a close friend or family member. High percentage of carry is the key. Always being prepared for the wolf! I also carry in most gun free zones under HR- 218. Awsome vid on this Nutn, TNP ROCKS!

[@Krzrk1man]

I am also 15, I carry a small SOG Flash I and Victorinox Swisschamp, mainly for utility however it gives me peace of mind that if the situation arises at least I have an option, hopefully it won't happen. And for you nutnfancy, words of wisdom, thank you. Your advice has allowed me to think about whether I should pursue this responsibility later in my life.

[@sickmak90]

Great video as usual. I myself carry daily and I also prepare physically and mentally for some sort of bad situation. Some people like to say we sheep dogs are paranoid, or we are looking for trouble...that isn't the case. The sheep will always rely on the sheep dog whenever a bad situation comes along. That is not the case, I just couldn't sit back and let people be harmed or killed.

[@ndileonardo]

NUTN right after the FT Hood attack my buddy who is SDPD and I were talking about how you just covered this. Thanks for putting these out.

[@cowboytgl]

Thumbs up 2 u! Been watching your review videos, finally sat down this morning and watched some of you "sheepdog" vids, we need more people like you in this country, not only "sheepdogs" but people with common sence to let the public know we are not "radicals" just becouse we carry guns and/or knives! I applaud you for the job you are doing, keep up the good work!

[@TheBadnewz79]

I carry a xds ccw. I'm actually going to get CLOSE TO ENGAGE tattooed on my arm, and hope that everyone who sees it asks thatI myself can spread this word. I'm very upset because I'm new to firearms and without time and money to purchase an assault riffle. I'm 33 and just catching up in life so I pray that some how some way I can get my hands on one before its too late. Thanks Nutnfancy for your honesty and point if views. I'm sure its helped thousands..

[@BrianJacobson]

They have confirmed that Munley took a round that passed through both legs and continued firing. Just something I thought you'd like to hear about Nutn.

[@chazzlehoff]

Great advice. I too work in an environment that I believe is a "free fire" zone. I would carry everyday everywhere at work if I did not believe that I would be threatened with retaliation from my superiors and terminated from my job.

[@kahvac]

Excellent Video ! I am a Sheepdog but I did not know the "charge or close to engage" philosophy. I'm just an average guy with no special skills on how to engage. I am however very knowlegable about gun use and safety. Your video will help to save lives. I can't thank you enough Fancy...

[@PaleHearse]

One thing I just realized..that at no point did you ever mention a belt. "Back in the day", we were given a class by Secret Service where they mentioned that a way to subdue even a large individual..was to remove an appropriately re-enforced belt... and after using your momentum to knock them off balance or down..quickly loop your belt around their neck and drag them with all your might towards the nearest door or item you can loop the belt around/through...go through the door..and close it.

[@Toophless1]

Once again, NutnFancy...very well put. Many of us think like this, but you have managed to put it into words. I have passed this video on to many.

[@mazeppa47]

The best thing I've heard on kill or not was from a marine I was privileged to draw as instructor in a defensive pistol class I attended. He said my job is to stop the threat. If that action results in the death of the aggressor, it's unintended, thus inconsequential to the purpose. What I got from that was don't go into it with the mindset to kill, but to do what it takes to stop the threat. It works for me.

[@KWAT6]

I like that he talks about diffusing the situation. I've often dealt with people who wanted to pick a fight by joking with them, and they'll just feel ridiculous and leave usually.

[@WhiteCavendish]

Another awesome and well thought out video. Every time I see news coverage of a mass shooting, I always think, "Why doesn't anyone admit that an armed civilian could have stopped this?" When I saw the recent murder of 3 RCMP officers in Moncton, NB, the video shot from the living room of one of the houses on that street sickened me. It sickened me not only because it was footage of three brave police officers being gunned down in the street, but because it showed that in that entire neighborhood, not ONE HOUSE had a gun in it, and if any did, nobody had the resolve and the courage to deploy that weapon and put the cop-murdering bastard down. They sat there like helpless sheep and watched it happen. When I saw that, it made me angry, and I said to myself, "It will be a cold day in Hell before I let some evil little shit murder three police officers in front of my house. He'll be getting a chest full of rifle rounds before he knows what hit him." I couldn't live with myself if I did anything less.

[@checkie4ever]

I respect you greatly for standing up and talking like this Nutnfancy!!! I'm little pessimist and think that most of the public is very apathetic towards anything today, but there's always someone in the crowd, who is ready to do what's necessary to stand in way of evil. There was many more of those in previous generations( WW II men) as it requires very unique individual that's selfless and does what's right, no matter the danger. Today's values are little different.....

[@jjbkk1]

I have recently made the decision to carry a concealed weapon....proper training and getting the permit.....enough said.....it is a good feeling.....I know I have made the right choice.......I subscribe to your videos......based on the education you provided helped me decide which weapon I will carry.....this video you made is right on......thank you. God bless our troops.

[@not8upwthit]

I'll always think of the sheep dogs on flight 93 on 9-11. They utilized what they had and it wasn't much, hot coffee, a serving cart and a LOT OF HEART.

[@DD2014]

Thank you Nutnfancy, you have inspired me to not only be more prepared in my daily life, but also to be a better person. I don't know how you do it but you seem to make people want to be better tactically and personally. If that is not a definition of a "sheepdog" I don't know what is.... Thanks for everything! ~Rob~

[@Blight_Knight]

Absoluetly right, Nutn.....I've been thinking these same things for years.....every since I became interested in the right to bear arms and self defense and did some research on it.....if everyone, especially politicians.....took the time to listen to what you had to say they would see that it makes logical sense and can't be denied. Awesome video, great series (Sheepdog Concept, Close to Engage, CC Protocol) and the Minuteman Concept

[@MrSandman619]

What is your thought about military installations being a gun free zone? Would you prefer open or conceal carry if we could carry on a military installion? My personal preference would be conceal, that way I could have weapon on hand when I go off installation in uniform.

[@rightsman123]

I love this video. One of my favs. We had a sheepdog CCW holder at the AZ shooting. He did not use his gun, but he and the 2 others are heroes in my opinion. Take care!

[@wolfranger13141]

Thank you Brother. At least one will tell the tale if it ever is called for again. That is a comfort for one who is long in the tooth. Be well. God speed and check your six.

[@BuggetNuster]

Likewise jakkd. Glad to have your commentary on this channel. We need more of it. These are serious issues that merit good healthy discussion. That will always be welcome here. Merry Christmas to you and yours.

[@SaftonYT]

One of my favorite vids from Nutn in a while. "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke) I thought that was fitting.

[@HatrXx78]

Batons are actually very handy. I have seen some that also have a taser in the end, but honestly a baton can be very useful in the hands of someone that needs to defend themselves.

[@mflo11]

I'm glad you posted this again after the Tucson Shootings. People need to see this and the fact that there was a CCW holder at the scene and he did not engage upset me. But, he has his reasons I guess. I know I would have engaged the perpetrator and at least tried to have taken him out.

[@jonathanroberts2275]

I have to say it takes a lot to keep my interest for 22:50 minutes and this guy has my full attention!

[@bsidenbend]

Thanks Nutnfancy for putting this together on the fly. Nice way to come home after a long shift on the road. You're right, this is going to happen again someplace, and people need to be prepared and have the mindset to survive and make a difference.

[@chugmugger]

I love how you go to your checklist for window of engagement there's multiple times I use this in my daily life for instance yesterday when I had a furnace fire and I was stuck in a crawl space of an attic there is certain things that I know to do from training and experience and something I have noticed in my personal life is that when danger arises you will find that most of your checklist has already been answered within 2 seconds of it happening also training is very for knowing what to do

[@spectator59]

Good video. I'd like to add that one key thing you need to realize that *your life is in danger too*, not just those around you; the life you save by closing to engage may well be your own. You could be shot running for cover as easily as while closing to engage. Also, for your opponent, hitting a moving target isn't easy, particularly under stress. A fatal shot is even less likely. By rushing him, *you have an advantage*.

[@KnightKiller1000]

I'm more like a ram than a sheepdog... I don't have gun or knife experience, but I have a mind to know what is going on around the world. I'll always have my eyes and ears on alert all the time with my phone in hand just incase... Thanks Nut for this info and I just wish that all Military have at least something to protect themselves so this won't happen again.

[@PhotoCaptured]

You sir hit close to home. Thank you for the encouraging words and further strengthening of my own resolve. Always ready. III%

[@ajohn1511]

Once again thank you Nutn. You have been a fantastic influence for me. I think you should do speaking engagements. Kimberly Munley is deserving of the Congressional Gold Medal in my opinion. I say we start a letter campaign to our Rep's and Senators demanding she receive it. Just a thought.

[@slayer3n1]

nutnfancy you have my teacher ever since i learned how to shoot. Keep up the good reviews. I live in a state where CCW is very rare; since the sheriff's department has so much control; but they don't seem to know that our state is been over run by gangs from the south.

[@Newbyrock23]

Tears to my eyes, friends died, innocents were hurt. The freedoms that we are "given" mean nothing when lives hang in the balance. For those who can stand up, do it not for just the ones who may and have died, but for future hidden warriors inspiration to stand for the lives of the people who dont need to lose theirs. Semper Fi, always.

[@robalan57]

What are your recommendations for going up against a shooter with body armor? My first thought is the head and neck are good targets. Maybe the arms and legs would also be good. What would be the best ammo? FMJ? 22 magnum?

[@KV_Aventuras]

TNP has been the genesis for a complete paradigm shift in the way I view my responsibilities for the safety of myself, my family and my countrymen. I want to thank nutnfancy for providing the tools and knowledge to equip me for the purpose described in this video. Finally, for the first time since 911, I can feel a sense of safety and purpose as an American.

[@unexpectedTrajectory]

If it's your day, die like a Viking. (Who knows, you might just live.) Thanks Nutn', these are some of your best videos yet. I know how emotional I got watching the movie Flight 93. I realize it was just actors trying to embody what really happened that day, but I was so filled with pride to see so many who were, day to day, "sheep" turn into sheepdogs in that hour of need.

[@ArmedCivilian556]

Absolutely 100% true to the point, we all need to find that courage of our for-fathers and employ it in our every day lives. Only than can we expect to see the America we all love. Keep rock-in Nutnfancy

[@jppcherokee]

Amen, brother, i see your heart, praise the Lord. My prayer is that your insight and information saves lives. And that it is inside the will of God to do so. Thank you. ( From New Zealand).

[@ConcealedCourier]

The Samurai would set 'zen triggers' to unleash thier craft, very much like your unlock codes. I did not see this video before my gunfight, but I did remember my research into samurai culture i.e hagakure, five rings, yagyu art of war and set those triggers when I became a concealed carrier. Ironically, I found that my 'unlock code' was actually the old football phrase for 4th down; my mind whispered as the 'banger pulled his gun up to me 'Go for it'. I am still amazed how fast I drew my G26.

[@martykean1967]

In addition to my previous post. I understand where nutnfancy is comming from and I 2nd his thoughts, but I just want everyone to think VERY hard before acting even if you only have seconds to do so. Becomming involved in something so tragic could backfire into an even worse situation for you and your loved ones if your injured or killed, or the people your intending to help. I'm glad your addressing this difficult subject nutnfancy! Someone has too!

[@PijusONLINE]

I share a similar experience. I would always carry everything I usually do back in school and my classmates as well as teachers knew perfectly well what kind of a background I come from, how responsible and polite I always was and am and had no problem with it. Even the anti-gunners to this day tell me they respect me for my strongly expressed and practised beliefs. Just between you and I, they tend to feel safer around me, not threatened.

[@mnyshrpknvs]

In Iowa, its next to impossible to get a CCW. I still carry a good knife. I collect them so I never have a shortage of selection. I have a Baton and plan on getting pepper spray as well. I'll just keep applying for my CCW. We are getting a new Sheriff so maybe that will help.

[@NoSavageNation]

Wow! What state is giving CCL in less than a month? In texas it's taking up to 7 months!

[@wilson686]

You're speaking to escalation of force, systematically in a situation. That is a great point to be made, and all CCW permit holders should understand what that principle entails. Thanks for another awesome vid nutn! Rock on dude

[@JoeB191145]

One point you missed. If charging barehanded, throw anything at hand, a cellphone or ladies purse, to distract the shooter, and follow it in, low and fast.

[@Sobspeed]

Just yesterday I went to "video" shooting range, where you can train various scenarios while shooting live ammo on kinda projection wall... I must say, that even I shoot at least decent, having no problems with draws, double taps and all that stuff - this was totaly different. No time on anything moving targets, multiple targets, innocent bystanders... If you have option for such a training go for it! It will open your eyes...! In the end I found myself shooting very agressively... :-D

[@240pixel]

being a sheepdog requires sharp mind brave heart and set of massive brass balls. Not everyone is lucky to be equipped like that. I am former weekend soldier from Eastern Europe. raised to fight from childhood. Since I grew up without a father I spent most of my summers in camps set by military and paramilitary organisations. Now I am about to move to USA. My sister lives there. I think first thing I am going to buy when I come is something like Glock 19 and carry it everywhere, I mean *everywhere* and that would be 99% to stop something like that from happening. Great video by the way. watching in like 4th time. Greetings from Europe

[@556poor7]

Welcome! we'd be glad to have you here.

[@240pixel]

+556poor thanks! I am so glad to hear it. I think I will join national guard if I am proven fit for duty.

[@mrflynn510]

Welcome, warrior.

[@wesleyshinto]

Thank you so much nutn, your the reason I bought my first knife a benchmade ascender; tanto variety. And you are the reason I carry that knife legally to class everyday.

[@deltasevenma7]

We have some crappy laws in my state (WI) that many are trying to fix. We do not have CCW, so my load out is usually a blade and pepper spray. Its getting to the point were I might just do it anyways. What is it going to take to get it through the protectionist's heads?

[@audiophile71]

Great vid Nutnfancy! I wish there were more people like you. I'm in CA so CCW is nearly out of the question, but I never leave the house without a knife and my Krav Maga. Zero Tolerance 0200 is on the way! Thanks as always for your service and spreading our Sheepdog virtues.

[@philipiano001]

NNF, I wonder if there is some kind of database where folks can look at the past case law on deadly force situations.?

[@Mr683465]

A quote from Adolf Hitler, 1935 "This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future."

[@maniacmatt1782]

I work in a federal gun free zone. I cannot carry at work because it is a federal crime to do so. It is also a place where an active shooter event is more likely to occur than most places, a high school. When out and about on the weekends with my wife, I conceal carry, and I feel safe. But at work, I feel like the law prevents me from keeping myself, my coworkers, and innocent students from being safe. I have thought about it a bunch of times. I would never want to be in that situation while armed, and I dread the though of it being unarmed. As a law abiding citizen, I won't break the law. So my firearm does not come into the school with me. But that won't stop some nutcase from doing it. I would feel better if we had armed police on site. But school district police have a pair of handcuffs and a walkie talkie. We are fucked if an active shooter event ever takes place hear. Police are about 5 minutes away. 5 minutes is an eternity when the carnage is happening.

[@briansmobile1]

Love the sheepdog concept. I support it 100% I'm a high percentage carrier

[@nutnfancy]

I have been trying to find out what hat that is for a freakin month. Its TacticalDoodle's hat and Nutn keeps forgetting to ask him.. -- Veri (Nutn's sister0

[@petersusia1]

Part 2 this allows you to identify yourself to a police officer as incapable of threat i also think it would help if as you distanced your self from your fire arms (disarmed) while you verbally notified arriving law enforcement officers (L.E.O) that you are not the shooter and if able provided the actual location of the shooter you are engaging.

[@WooleeBugger]

Its scary how much this means years down the road.

[@MrRubain]

Hay, Thanks for your videos... They have helped me a lot with my choices to buy! Do you have any information about the ' IWI Jericho 941 full length ( baby eagle)'? Buy or not...? Thx a lot !!!! (Rubain from Belgium)

[@ZombieTactics]

This video continues to deliver the goods, and serves as a cogent counter to those recommending inaction.

[@shakeyjoneslive]

I only wish that one of the teachers in Ct. would have watched this video, and would have been able to protect those kids from that crazed lunatic.

[@scuds03]

I'm not supposed to but I keep a X26 Taser in my backpack everytime I go to my college classes becasue I dont feel safe knowing the closest police officer or CCW is minutes away.

[@petersusia1]

Part 3 but those are just my initial thoughts on your comment. you asked a solid question. "How can we prevent that clash? How can we prevent friendlies from being seen as foes? " i think in reality theres only so much you can do. really enjoted the question

[@Mike1Hayes]

Another awesome video I plan to pass on to many friends/family. Keep up the good work sir.

[@Mevans86]

I know that 'active shooter' just refers to a person engaged in a shooting spree in public. I'd imagine that 'protocol' would dictate that you a) assess the situation, b) call it in over the radio, and then c) close to engage. I'd say that an 'active shooter protocol' is different from say a hostage situation protocol in that they are automatically cleared to engage with deadly force, rather than having to wait for authorisation. All conjecture.

[@kingpin39191]

Thank you so much for all of your great videos nutn. Very very informative. I'll continue to subscribe and learn. Please keep doing what you're doing man. Outstanding.

[@thumbsnap]

"The only thing necessary for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing." Edmund Burke.

[@Mar6979]

i gain SO much respect for you cuz of this...so much. Thank you! now i got some backup for a few guys that say "run"

[@TacOps1760]

What are your thoughts about the cowardly act (mass shooting) at the movie theater in Aurora Colorado?

[@TheJoycey989]

I use my head every day. A good mind has plenty of power. A fight can be settled almost every time with words not violence. But words don't open a bag of chips.

[@fredmandela]

In the US NCO's are enlisted members E-5 and up. Our warrant officers are only in the Army.

[@wolfgang8810]

I live in Florida. There is a permit processing center that recently opened and I was one of the first people through. I got my permit Mailed to me 4 business days after handing in my application.

[@550ParacordGuy]

there was a shooting at a mall near where i live today. more people were hurt from the stampede of fear away from the shooter then the shooter himself.

[@MichaelSivochas]

Yea, The things I carry almost everywhere and everytime are an OC pepperspray and a little fixedblade knife. Not so much penetration at distance as with a gun. But better than nothing. I agree with nutn' - a nonlethal tool and one for lethal defense is the best way to go...

[@chrisrox6249]

I had jury duty a couple of weeks ago and had to leave my Kahr cm9 in my truck due to metal detectors and I felt naked and helpless.

[@Elvirth24]

EXCELLENT video, one of the best nutnfancy vids I've seen since I started watching a few months back. I totally agree. Heroism isn't heroism for its own sake; it's people trying to save other people's lives, who aren't afraid to engage someone who is intent on murdering as many people as possible. Very good. A pity I'm too young to carry guns, much less concealed ones; but when I can, I believe I will. Keep it real, Nuntfancy!

[@AscendingParadigm]

Does anyone know of any cases where the heroes used illegally carried weapons to stop shooters on killing rampages?

[@JJswe93]

We had a case here in Sweden of this kind recently. A man named Per drove past a car standing on the highway, and stopped to check that everything was alright. When he approached the car he saw a man in the process of raping/killing an old woman. Per took a wrench from his car and hit the man in the head 2 times. Later at the trial of both of them, the rapist was given Suspended sentence while Per got 1 year in prison for assault. When I saw this I was really pissed of.

[@Littlejon126]

responding to bfelt - It's more complicated than you think. You get a call on the radio - shots fired, possible fatalities (god knows how many), in a cafeteria. You don't know if there are accomplices or not. No badges on the scene, you're the first responder, you're 2 miles away. Add lots of ADRENALINE. When you get there, you see two "civilians" that may similarly match description provided by radio exchanging fire from 20 feet away from each other. They're both wearing civilian clothing.

[@riflemanm16a2]

Something I read recently was about the Luby's Massacre in 1991. It actually spawned the modern "shall issue" ccw laws. So these things can work for gun owners; although, I wouldn't count on it.

[@nutnfancy]

"... I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God."

[@mnyshrpknvs]

Another great video worthy of everyone's eyes and ears. People can make a difference with how they choose to walk amongst their fellow man.

[@Vaughnlesterinoz]

Would you also advocate the training and learning of a physical skill like Krav Maga? It can be usefull for disarming a hostile and put the weapon in your hand. It also would help in hand to hand knife fighting.

[@madpunty8571]

"Tu ne cede malis, sed contra audentior ito" - Do not give in to evil, but procede ever more boldly against it.

[@Owondr]

I agree, you can't just do it willy nilly. My ERT training taught me that you always have to size up a situation first: Is it a rescue or a recovery? I think NFs exposure here may be indicitave of an emotional reaction to the Ft. Hood shooting. Nonetheless, he makes good points about free-fire zones not working. An ounce of prevention as they say. Sun Tzu was ordered by the Emporer to move his armies in a direction that would have destroyed them. He refused the edict and saved the kingdom.