Peter van Inwagen - Debating God's Existence

[@jazzrus9499]

It's one thing to have beliefs that you acknowledge go beyond evidence. It's quite another thing to have such beliefs and then maintain that you know for a fact that those beliefs are true.

[@mrshankerbillletmein491]

What we think we know I would say are beliefs. I believe the universe began I cant say I know.

[@CriticalThinker02]

I agree.

[@JamarvLarue-newstar]

God is you ❤❤❤❤❤

[@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC]

*"It's one thing to have beliefs that you acknowledge go beyond evidence. It's quite another thing to have such beliefs and then maintain that you know for a fact that those beliefs are true."* ... Brian Greene is just as faithful to his belief in String Theory as a theist is in his belief in God. Anyone presenting a theory should be presenting it as if it were the gospel. Otherwise, why should anyone listen to it?

[@ronhudson3730]

I believe my beliefs are true. Proof, you ask? Good luck.

[@Soli_Deo_Gloria_.]

How do you verifiably test your senses that are testing for verifiabilty ?

[@simonhibbs887]

Through action in the world. We’re not just impotent observers.

[@Ajsirb24]

Your conscience is more real than anything you perceive with it.

[@CSTBFO_jad]

Repeated testing.

[@djtrevmarkettalk7623]

This wasn’t a debate about the existence of God. It was a debate about whether or not it is OK to believe in God, in the absence of any evidence.

[@codymarch164]

Depends on how smart you are. What do you think ALL THIS IS - a property of science?

[@NeilReynolds-hg9gh]

​@@codymarch164Are you suggesting that atheists are thick and ignorant? If that's the case, I would say you need to reevaluate your reasoning.

[@theomnisthour6400]

It's funny how many low consciousness NPC souls think their absence of evidence trumps the experience of more conscious players in the game of souls

[@aiya5777]

What does the proof of God look like anyway?

[@nassax7741]

Atheist will believe in an infinite multiverse with zero evidence. They yet still have to account for morality, consciousness, evidence for evolution, fine tuning of the universe, even Charles darwin died an agnostic

[@browngreen933]

Yes, religion can make any claim it wants that contradicts science. We call that myth and superstition.

[@jacqueslucas8616]

Exactly!

[@MrJKJKJK1974]

And wrong.

[@MrJKJKJK1974]

@publicdomainglasspebble9700 Utter nonsense. They are, by definition, polar opposites. Religion = belief without evidence. Science = evidence without belief. Science has corrected numerous religions in numerous ways and numerous times, please name one single time religion has corrected science.

[@sunyata4974]

People are making a category mistake. Science and religion are dealing with the same fundamental substance of the universe. They have the same laws, which can be derived logically. They complement each other. Everything comes from this substance. Multiplicity is an illusion. This substance can't be created or destroyed. Science and the major religions agree on this.

[@MrJKJKJK1974]

Everything you've stated is incorrect. Religion = belief without evidence. Science = evidence without belief. They are iterally polar opposites, they in no way compliment each other. There is nothing logical about any religions.

[@MrJKJKJK1974]

Religion = belief without evidence. Science = evidence without belief. They are polar opposites. Enemies. Don't try to conflate the two with your desperate woo woo nonsense. Religion is anything but logical, according to science.

[@micheldisclafani2343]

The most obvious thing in this world is the presence of an inexplicable God hiding in every quantic atom of everybody and everything. I feel it in me, in my heart. I consider childish and presumptuous most religions and sacred books. At 86 our reality and eternity is found in a small poem that I composed over fifty years ago. It goes like this: ETERNITY, I have been the sky and I have been the sea, I have been the wind and I have been the tree. This is how I know that I was, that I am and that when I die, my quantic atoms will live in thousands of bodies for thousands of years. Our reality and the reality of everything in the universe is an exchange of life and death that in the eternity makes us part of everything. Thank you for reading. Michel Di Sclafani 86 years old.

[@igcll]

There is no such thing as a "quantum atom" lol

[@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC]

@@igcll *"There is no such thing as a "quantum atom" lol"* ... Atoms are absolutely considered fundamental quantum entities.

[@igcll]

@@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC All atoms are quantum by nature, so saying 'quantum atom' is like saying 'wet water,' it implies there could be non-quantum atoms, which isn’t a thing. nice try tho xd

[@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC]

@@igcll *"All atoms are quantum by nature, so saying 'quantum atom' is like saying 'wet water,' it implies there could be non-quantum atoms, which isn’t a thing. nice try tho xd"* ... Then you should have replied that the phrase "quantum atoms" is redundant rather than claim there is no such thing.

[@igcll]

@@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC lol, you’re the one who treated 'quantum atom' like it might be a real term, so don’t blame me for pointing out it’s meaningless. this convo exists because of you 🤷‍♂

[@piruz3243]

This was a debate about the debate about the existence of God.

[@richblacklock]

Infinity issue implies impossibility of knowing. Maybe all we can reasonably say is that we’re part of it all.

[@brianlebreton7011]

The title sounds like an mis-titled question. God is existence or Existence is God for He says, I Am the I Am”. It’s like asking, does existence exist? Very circular.

[@codymarch164]

People get caught in either the snare of material science(irrational relativity dogma) or religion(tradition without critical thinking). The superior ones are philosophers and study metaphysics. Philosophy is a lifestyle - not a course.

[@MrJKJKJK1974]

Philosophy is pointless, worthless BS, which is why it's not even considered a science. Don't waste your life, whether you think it has 'style' or not.

[@thomabow8949]

What is "irrational relativity dogma"?

[@MrJKJKJK1974]

@@thomabow8949 It's a philosopher's way of trying to demean science in favour of philosophy. It's laughable.

[@thomabow8949]

@@MrJKJKJK1974 It struck me more as apologetics trying to play the philosopher

[@MrJKJKJK1974]

@@thomabow8949 Either way it's incorrect and dumb.

[@tarekabdelrahman2194]

Science leads to major contraction as thermodynamics states the impossibility of self existence, while universe already exists. Science models such paradox and resolves it by suggesting that the power creating universe is from outside of the universe. Hence, we have no means to describe such creator but to believe his existence.

[@MrJKJKJK1974]

No, science simply states we just don't know how the universe came to be. No god/s or subsequent beliefs required.

[@tarekabdelrahman2194]

@@MrJKJKJK1974it means basically that we don’t know. But if we are interested to analyse further we cannot conclude the non existence of GOD. Science proves that it is and will be incapable of explaining creation. The non consistency is based on universal laws.

[@MrJKJKJK1974]

@@tarekabdelrahman2194 The absence of any evidence is sufficient to conclude no god/s exist. Science is the only way we will ever uncover the truth, if we ever do.

[@MrJKJKJK1974]

@@tarekabdelrahman2194 Science can't yet answer those questions, there's nothing to say it won't ever happen. Inserting a god only complicates matters unnecessarily, which is why the 'god of the gaps' concept fails. Science is reality.

[@MrJKJKJK1974]

@@tarekabdelrahman2194 Completely wrong. Occams razor excludes the unnecessary insertion of god/s into the equation. Science tells us there is no evidence for god/s so there's no reason to think they exist. Science may or may not uncover the explanation behind the universe but, again, no god/s required.

[@asyetundetermined]

Things I never find myself debating the existence of: things that actually exist.

[@asyetundetermined]

@ we know stars exist, we observe evolution occurring, we use particle accelerators to observe behavior of fundamental physical phenomena, we know weapons exist. Not one of these things is like using your imagination about an invisible entity with unknowable qualities. The string of characters “g-o-d” do not even map to anything in human experience and therefore a completely incoherent concept. Rationalize all you need for the benefit of your own comfort, but please don’t expect others to play along in your imaginary sandbox.

[@infinitygame18]

IN TERMS OF CONCIOUSNESS SYSTEM GOD IS THE SYNCRONISER OF KNOWLEDGE BETWEEN MIND BRAIN AND ULTIMATE ALL LEVEL CONCIOUSNESS SYSTEMS, WE CALL IT A SHIVA, THE ONE WHO MEDITATE AND KNOW THE BEST ART OF MEDITATION IS THE ONE WHO GIVE THE EXISTENCE THE BEST SYNCHRONIZATION AND REALITY REWARDS IT IN THE WAY OF RECOGNIZING ITS WORK IN MANY WAYS, AND ULTIMATE SYNCRONISER IS GOD FOR REST IN ANY SYSTEM OR PLACE

[@djsarg7451]

Hebrews 11:3 By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible. Only the God of the Bible operates outside of the time and space dimensions we are in. So it must be the God of the Bible. Biblical Hebrew has a smaller vocabulary than English. In biblical Hebrew, there is no word for universe. Instead, the Hebrew phrase that is translated “the heavens and the earth” is used to refer to the universe-the entirety of physical reality. The phrase is used thirteen times in the Old Testament, always referring to all matter, energy, space, and time in the universe. We now know that event was 13.787 ±0.020 billion years. This has been checked, proven and measured with many tools and they all agree. It is not just space that came to be 13.787 billion years ago, but time also. The universe is finite and expanding. Just as the Bible stated thousands of years ago. To deny the existence of a Creator is an error. The theory of general relativity: the universe began at a “singularity” (Big Bang) where all matter, energy, space, and time came into existence at an infinitely small point and expanded outward from there. Space-time Theorems recognizes the union of space and time. General relativity has been proven to be true. The universe has mass, and the universe is expanding. Thus the universe had a singularity/Big Bang/beginning. The Bible is the only Holly Book to tell us the universe is expanding. Jer. 51:15 as it is the Word of God. Only Holy Book to say the universe had a beginning. Only Holy Book to say the Time had a beginning (2 Timothy 1:9). The Bible, a old book, got it all correct ! Proof it is God’s Word.

[@willoweverose]

I've been following this channel for over five years, starting during my journey of spiritual awakening and my constant search for truth driven by curiosity. This year, I became a Christian, and I'm so glad to see more content about God on this channel. Indeed, the deeper we explore, the more everything points to God. I hope more people come to know that we are lovingly created by God, who came to earth as Jesus Christ and sacrificed Himself for humanity.

[@MrJKJKJK1974]

I'm very sorry for your loss.

[@oaktreet4335]

@@MrJKJKJK1974 But, boy oh boy, what a gain. Net gain = gain - loss >> 0. Cheers.

[@MrJKJKJK1974]

@@oaktreet4335 I don't think of self-delusion as a gain, especially given the dire consequences of belief to the world outside of the believers imagination. Cheers

[@stopworrying8850]

Give me an evidence of God?

[@theydisintegrate]

​@@stopworrying8850you can see God by imagining your original face before you were born

[@JamarvLarue-newstar]

❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@tomlee2651]

Well, if God/gods exist... Well, if God/gods exist, then we wouldn't need to be debating His/Theirs existence now, would we?

[@aiya5777]

solipsism has joined the chat Boltzmann's brain has also joined the chat are you sure you're not just another botlzman's brain?

[@aiya5777]

literally anything could be a debate, including your Own brain

[@MrJKJKJK1974]

@@aiya5777 @tomlee2651 is right though.

[@ohhellno8759]

There’s no reason to think that…

[@Ekam-Sat]

There's only God...

[@MrJKJKJK1974]

Prove it

[@evaadam3635]

..we are all gods in a small way because our souls are free splits of the Holy Spirit... ...there is God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost... we are represented as God the Son...

[@MrJKJKJK1974]

@@evaadam3635 There's no such thing as a soul, or a spirit or even your god. Please try to see past your indoctrinated belief, it's not real or true.

[@evaadam3635]

​@@MrJKJKJK1974..your lost soul was not sent here to know but to have faith, because it was losing faith in God's love that you fell from Heaven and now on earth for a chance of salvation through regaining your faith without knowing God...

[@MrJKJKJK1974]

@@halcyon2864 Sure, seek and you will find, the oldest con in the book. You had a god shaped hole, you filled it with belief, that adds no validity to that belief and it's not 'spiritual' outside of your own imagination. I have no such need.

[@paulbrocklehurst2346]

Okay perhaps we shouldn't go quite as far as assuming that a god of some sort or another _doesn't_ exist but we don't need to when there's no good reason to imagine that any god _does_ exist so why not acknowledge that all god claims are about as valid as mermaid claims none of which can be out & out _known_ to be fictional, but _so what_ if they can't when no mermaid or god can be shown _to_ exist? Extraordinary claims _demand_ extraordinary evidence. _No_ exceptions!

[@georgegrubbs2966]

God is Nature is You.

[@ronhudson3730]

Want proof of God’s existence and why it’s OK to believe in God? Listen to Freebird by Lynyrd Skynrd. That didn’t come from nowhere. That’s not a product of emergence. That’s a work of energetic genius, that came from the very essence of its composers and the musicians who played it. The feeling it engenders in the mind of the listener is absolute proof of what makes us so very special, proof of what moves the soul of all but the hardest hearted.

[@MrJKJKJK1974]

A song is created by physics. Souls don't exist. Actual evidence of god/s still required.

[@simonhibbs887]

I had a colleague about 20 years ago who joined an evangelical church here in London. He breathlessly told me how when it started the church group only had a handful of members, none of them wealthy, but somehow they had wised enough money to build a fabulous place of worship, and this was proof of a miracle because it was impossible for a small group like that to raise so much money so quickly. I looked it up and the group was an offshoot of a US church that had funded the whole thing. People who believe in miracles will see miracles. Just look at the comments by a Muslim that pop up here now and then linking to miraculous conversion testimonies. People do have these experiences and they're real to them.

[@tedgrant2]

We are still trying to prove the god of Israel exists ! Let's just say, he does exist and that's the end of it.

[@jacqueslucas8616]

Say what??? Science can’t look at the question if god exists?

[@thomasridley8675]

Every such spiritual belief is obviously total nonsense... ...except for the one they happen to believe in. 🙄 Its quite fitting that "Power Corrupts" would come up at the end. 😁😁

[@gregsmith80]

Without fail, religious people labor under the false assumption that their beliefs are valid. I vote a certain way because given what I know about a certain person or policy, I judge it to be in-line with what I want in life. It isn't some arbitrary whim, and it is possible for a person to have wrong political beliefs precisely because they are *not* thinking rationally about a topic. A belief in god doesn't just "go beyond the evidence", nor is it some inert opinion. All religion is, at best, unfalsifiable and a ridiculous delusion at worst.

[@mattcorregan4760]

Or you could say that religion (Christianity in my case) is an inference to the best explanation based on evidence available in the world.

[@MrJKJKJK1974]

@@mattcorregan4760 There is no evidence to support any of the thousands of religions. If there were any evidence for any of them, belief would not be required and we would all worship the same god/s. All evidence is scientific, therefore, only a scientific explanation has evidence to support it. All the books, like your bible, the koran etc., are just baseless claims.

[@evaadam3635]

​@@MrJKJKJK1974.. it is not a matter of knowing, but a matter of what rational sensible belief to choose to explain our unknown origin for lack of knowledge of the truth.... ...and because your "Awareness with Freedom to Choose or Not to Choose to Believe in Spiritual GOD" can not be a natural property of physical matter enslaved by natural laws, it is more than enough evidence to show that faith in a Supernatural SOURCE is the only sane belief to explain our unknown origin...

[@evaadam3635]

..faith or belief can hit the truth in seconds while it can take science for centuries to claim truth while another century to debunk their claimed truth... ...by the way, faith in the existence of a Loving GOD has never been debunked yet while Science' Bigbang and Evolution can not even pass the sanity test, definitely total falsehoods..

[@MrJKJKJK1974]

@@evaadam3635 "it is not a matter of knowing, but a matter of what rational sensible belief to choose to explain our unknown origin" - so you think it's "rational and sensible" to ignore all the evidence, which confirms our known origin due to evolution, in favour of "beief" in an ignorant book written thousands of years ago by goat herders? That's your reasoning?

[@Jerbrown]

Agnosticism seems the most reasonable position. I don't know why some denigrate it as a cop out.

[@CriticalThinker02]

Given the complexity and fine tuning of the universe, life, and consciousness that came about ex nihilo, I don’t understand how one could reasonably conclude that they can’t know.

[@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC]

*"Agnosticism seems the most reasonable position. I don't know why some denigrate it as a cop out."* ... It's a "fence-sitter ideology" that doesn't add anything to the debate. It's like asking someone which team will win the Super Bowl, and the reply is, _'Well, either team could manage to pull it off, ya know?"_

[@Jerbrown]

@@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC For me, it's pushing into the fence, trying to break through with all I have, but recognizing there are limits to human conception. One can remain curious, yet have the humility to confess one's limits.

[@MrJKJKJK1974]

Agnosticism specifically deals with knowledge. As no-one knows, everyone should be agnostic, logically speaking. There are those who claim to know, one way or the other. There are very sound physics/mathematics/logical reasons why a god/gods doesn't/don't exist, but none that I've heard to suggest it/they do exist. It's one of the many reasons I'm atheist.

[@Jerbrown]

@@CriticalThinker02 you are referring to the watchmaker fallacy, right? It’s a circular argument.

[@rameshdubey7077]

God need not be all good, or all knowing or even caring..

[@bdnnijs192]

That's part of the problem. "God" can be anything and thus is nothing

[@kimsahl8555]

Debate God's no-existence.

[@Jerbrown]

Great Rembrandt metaphor 👍

[@MrJKJKJK1974]

Neither of these so called 'experts' understand even the very basics, such as the significant difference between being atheist and being agnostic, and that someone can be both simultaneously. Anyway, this is just more 'god of the gaps', pointless wishful thinking.

[@oaktreet4335]

Wrong (again)

[@MrJKJKJK1974]

@@oaktreet4335 Do please explain (I know you can't, troll)

[@evaadam3635]

..either way, both atheists and agnostics ends in the same state, hell, for failing to have faith in a loving GOD

[@MrJKJKJK1974]

@@evaadam3635 Your hell doesn't exist either, don't be silly.

[@evaadam3635]

@@MrJKJKJK1974 hell is a cold dark emptiness - an absence of GOD's grace...so, you are correct, hell is nothingness, which means it is not an existence but an absence of existence... so, when your lost soul returns to state of cold dark emptiness, your lost soul is the only one that exists in nothingness, freezing for eternity...

[@aosidh]

Russell's teapot, anyone?

[@simonhibbs887]

Down with teapot deniers. Especially those spaghetti monster believers.

[@masoudvaghei2473]

God and religions are man-made concepts. However, it is okay to believe in whatever makes you happy, as long as it does not hurt anyone and you don’t force your beliefs on others and try to fool and take advantage of them for financial and political reasons. Scientific believes and theological believes are fundamentally different. The former drives the advancement of humanity, while the latter serves to provide meaning, comfort, and moral guidance - though it can also be misused to control or divide. History is a good teacher, showing how these concepts have been used both to unite and, more often, to manipulate societies.

[@evaadam3635]

...the loving heavenly light that the sincere faithfuls received, to understand the unknown GOD much better, whose interpretations and misinterpretations has led to the development of many religions, were not man-made concepts....

[@codymarch164]

The idea a man has of God is a concept, but not God in principle, that Primordial Cause, aka the Cause of all causes, that which you come from. Now, if you say God in principle is a concept, then you are not real. I now must ask, are you real or just a figment of my imagination? If you happen to truly be real, then you must and without doubt have a Cause, and that Cause can not be just a concept - for even concepts are dependent upon a Cause.

[@evaadam3635]

@@codymarch164 not all idea a man of God is just a man-made concept, but many are interpretations, perfect or imperfect, of the heavenly light they received that is not a man-made concept....

[@masoudvaghei2473]

@@codymarch164 before I answer you, you must define “real”.

[@codymarch164]

​@@masoudvaghei2473 real is that which is not transient, not ephemeral, not mutable, not subject to phenomena, participates not in time and is the substrata of all phenomena, is the father of all phenomena, the very source of all beings, source of all essence, the very power of all harmony, relation, efficiency, and is that which extends to the furthest and lowest of things such a grass, granting goodness and life and sustenance to all things, granting a direction for many things to go back to their source, and as all things go back to their source do they become more perfect, becoming more in tune with harmony and nature, seeing the oneness of all as all things of plurality, difference and variety recognize they participate in the same life, same cosmos, therefore things different have a commonality therefore are alike having sameness, likeness and similarity, this being the principle of harmony that is the oneness of what's "real" for there can only be one real, one without a second and is the Truth of truth, that very spirit in man. For if I were to call what's phenomenal as real, acknowledging such as transient, short lasting, and entirely interdependent upon other things of phenomena for it's sustenance, I would have to use another term, and modify it so to represent this Primordial Cause, the Cause of all cause, that which is unbegotten, at rest, pure energy, the very intellect and intelligence of all things and of thought and thinking. It follows reason itself in acknowledging this Primordial Cause as real and rather phenomena that is dependent on this substrata, and interdependent on other things in phenomena, as the mirage or what's ultimately unreal - the essence and substance and energy is all phenomena is real, but the objects, things, names and forms are only modifications of this substrata substance or energy.

[@LuuLuong-bn8iy]

😅😂😂😂😂

[@maylingng4107]

There is no evidence that the biblical Jesus ever existed. The bible claims that Jesus was seen and heard by many thousands of people. Can you name a single EYEWITNESS (outside the lies in the bible, which was assembled in 325 CE) who mentions one word about a Jesus in his writing?

[@tamayaytam]

Hard to say ether adjactive proves that there is no god. If there is, Then where is he when i mispronounce the sh.t.

[@tinakopson8501]

God. A one-time mortal, next higher than Lord God ruler over all the people on earth, and in the lower heavens, for a season. Lord God. A one-time mortal, next higher than Lord, ruler over part of the people on earth and the lower heavens, for a season. Lord. A one-time mortal, ruler over part of the people on earth for a season. God said: I am, as any other spirit of the dead, a one-time man upon the earth, thy elder brother of tens of thousands of years' experience. Distinguish, then, that the twain God and The Creator are not the same one. No more is thy God than what thou shalt be in time to come, and all angels, the Gods and Lords and generals and captains and chiefs in heaven are but the brothers and sisters of mortals and the spirits of the dead; and none of these, however exalted, can create Life or Motion or an Individual or Person. These are from The Great Spirit, The Creator.

[@MrJKJKJK1974]

Step away from the crack pipe...

[@fortuner123]

Don't tell me that god is/is not omnipresent, etc, unless you can show me where you got your information from. You see, if you are privy to the info, then let us all into your secret. No, sir, it is all conjecture in your brain. You have no bloody idea what you are talking about.

[@heresa_notion_6831]

Existence proofs are pretty easy; given something from nothing is impossible, there has to have always been something that eventually allowed us to exist (so by construction, therefore God, but not an agent-omni one, necessarily). What theists need to do, imo, is come up with an analogous logical proof that sentience is something impossible to get to from a non-sentient starting point. I think most conventional scientists claim that's exactly what happened (i.e., sentience evolved from non-sentience). I don't know, maybe Chris Langan knows how to prove an analogous something-from-nothing argument about sentience. I know he's a bit of an "enfant terrible" in these discussions, but he seems at least as competitive as the people I've been seeing lately on this topic.

[@MrJKJKJK1974]

Something from nothing is not proven impossible. Also, the universe could have always existed, no god/s required.

[@simonhibbs887]

We can say there is a reason the universe exists, but do we have any justification for saying this reason is god? We’d need to distinguish what calling such a thing god adds over just calling it the reason the universe exists, and justify that addition.

[@heresa_notion_6831]

If you believe something from nothing is (actually) possible, then why not believe God? The proof (by construction) also says something "always existed". It just doesn't say anything about that "de facto" God being sentient. As for the second reply, the reply to that is "functionalism" (God is what God does), and/or you're just arguing over a label. The "agent-omni" God is never asserted.

[@MrJKJKJK1974]

@@heresa_notion_6831 You're turning an old agument on its head. If a theist claims their god is eternal the atheist points out that, if they accept that premise, the universe could be eternal, then we apply Occams razor. The reason not to believe in any god/s, is because there is no reason to believe in anything at all. Belief, by definition, means 'no evidence for'. A theist believes only because they have been indoctrinated. We are all born atheist.

[@evaadam3635]

​@@MrJKJKJK1974 ..your Physics is about physical causes and physical effects, and NOT about Nothing causing physical effects.... your concocted theory is making your Material Science a total JOKE, flashing Physics down into the toilet bowl...

[@davidmccoy6888]

Just another apologist spewing confusion to prove god.

[@stewartkilleen675]

You clearly don't understand what's he's talking about.

[@MrJKJKJK1974]

@@stewartkilleen675 I'd say they've summed it up perfectly. What do you think has been missed here?

[@Ajsirb24]

I recommend listening to and reading David Bentley Hart. His arguments for God are much more coherent than the arguments against God.

[@MrJKJKJK1974]

@@Ajsirb24 There are no arguments for god/s. If you think you have one, please do share.

[@Ajsirb24]

@MrJKJKJK1974 A good argument for an intelligent designer is that matter can not be created nor destroyed. Therefore, the universe could not have existed unless someone brought it into being.

[@mtshasta4195]

Word salad....

[@andreasplosky8516]

We might just as well debate the existence of elves, pixies and smurfs.

[@evaadam3635]

we are all free to believe anything for any reason, good sensible reason or stoopid reason... sadly, you had chosen the latter...

[@andreasplosky8516]

@@evaadam3635 I don't think your ability to read comments is very well-developed. Don't tell me you don't believe in Smurfs! Everybody knows deep down in their heart that Smurfs exist.

[@konstantinos777]

1. You believe in God 2. (automatically) You believe in Good and Evil 3. (automatically) You believe you are Good 4. You believe that people who don't share your belief in God, may be Evil 5. Satan is after your a$$ Peter, why should I accept as absolute truth, the possibly worst idea human brains ever came up with?

[@dominicvijayanand1971]

NO GOD, NO GOOD, THE GOOD WHICH NEVER DIES OUT OF THIS WORLD NO MATTER HOW HARD THIS WORLD TIERS TO KILL ALL OF GOOD ONCE AND FOR ALL. BUT GOOD SURVIVES ALL ODDS AT ALL TIMES. IT'S EASY TO BE BAD THAN GOOD, STILL WE ALL EVEN THE BAD LIKE GOOD.

[@FishHeadSalad]

" IT'S EASY TO BE BAD THAN GOOD..." (I think you mean "easier" to be bad than good) You might think it is easier to try to beat someone to death than it is to call 911 when you found someone on the street who was almost beaten to death, but I am pretty sure that the majority of people would disagree with you.

[@orupita]

BECAUSE GOD... YES... EXIST... ALL = IS , ISNT AND BOTH. AND NO HUMAN CAN GO AGAINST THIS.

[@MrJKJKJK1974]

No human can understand what you've written.

[@brucethegoose691]

God is a Goose.

[@kalewintermute28]

Actually it's a trinity. The Gander, the gosling and the holy goosed.

[@LuuLuong-bn8iy]

you making a goosebumps 😅😂😂😂

[@ianmatthew5824]

Yet another "let's muddy the water" video

[@peterz53]

"He?" Don't invoke science. Invoke reason. This man seems to have arrived at a conclusion and is struggling to argue his way to it. Very poor discussion.

[@Trevor_Green]

Holy mental gymnastics this guy is trying to maneuver to talk in circles. There is some really flawed logic here. Try again bud

[@keithwalmsley1830]

I'm an atheist, thank God!!!! 🤣

[@igcll]

Atheism 💀

[@oaktreet4335]

Don't worry, given time you will see the error of your ways. 🤣🤣

[@MrJKJKJK1974]

@@oaktreet4335 Don't worry, your god not existing also means your hell doesn't exist either.

[@igcll]

@@oaktreet4335Theism🤡

[@oaktreet4335]

@@MrJKJKJK1974 🤣🤣

[@martinrobart3135]

I find his arguments “for” incredibly weak. He never adequately addresses a reasonable CAUSE to believe there’s a god other than citing believing beyond evidence and then trying to create some relativism with politics and science. Neanderthal fragments in DNA are not “beliefs” but fact. We have no DNA fragments for a god, sadly. That is therefore a belief. And again, I ask, prompted by what cause?

[@evaadam3635]

..your non-physical soul, which is your true being, has no DNA...

[@thomabow8949]

@@evaadam3635 I think the non-physical soul has a spiritual form of DNA. This was divinely revealed to me. Do you want to contest this?

[@evaadam3635]

@@thomabow8949 Neanderthal DNA is not spiritual DNA...

[@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC]

I think the atheists and theists both have it wrong. Existence is not a totally benign, purposeless endeavor nor is it completely orchestrated by an omnipotent designer. I argue there is a *specific degree of intelligence* embedded into the fabric of "Existence." It's a *minimum amount* of intelligence that's required to facilitate the organization and evolution of structure. ... Nothing more; nothing less. In fact, it's presence within structure is so "minimal" that we can't tell whether the universe is random or scripted, ... thus, we end up with the "fine tuning" debate.

[@igcll]

Sounds speculative 👍

[@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC]

*"Sounds speculative"* ... As opposed to positing the existence of God or claiming that it's all just random? You don't think those sound speculative?

[@MrJKJKJK1974]

So, in your opinion then, did god create man or did man create god?

[@igcll]

@@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC Nice strawman, lol. I never said I believe in God or that everything is random-both sound just as speculative. Maybe don’t jump to conclusions next time? 👍

[@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC]

​@@MrJKJKJK1974 *"So, in your opinion then, did god create man or did man create god?"* ... That's a very interesting question! I posit that "Existence" has been evolving over the past 14 billion years from the most rudimentary form of intelligence that's logically possible to the current, high-level intelligence we call a _self-aware consciousness._ "Conceivability" comes right along with a self-aware consciousness, and it was our exploration of the highest possible level(s) of conceivability that ultimately produced the construct we now call "God." We cannot conceive anything that can supplant an all-powerful God, so God has become the "highest possible level of conceivability" ... thanks to us! However, "Existence" first had to "evolve" to a much higher level (humans) to where this "highest possible level of conceivability" could take place, ... so technically it could go either way. *Example:* If you think of "Existence" as God, and God evolved into humans over a 14-billion-year period, ... then God created humans. However, if you think that since "we" came up with the God construct and then retroactively assigned it to "Existence" (which had no clue that this would even happen) ... then humans created God. It all depends on your perspective.

[@LogicStandsBeforeGod]

Anyone who thinks that Allah or God does not exists, please feel free to watch these two videos. Below are two vtitles.

[@LogicStandsBeforeGod]

"Derrick Feinman How Islam Found Me: My Conversion to Islam"

[@LogicStandsBeforeGod]

"After Combat - The Story of a Marine's conversion to Islam"

[@MrJKJKJK1974]

I'll watch them, once you've provided sufficient evidence in support of your chosen flavour of god/s.

[@LogicStandsBeforeGod]

@@MrJKJKJK1974 You can ping me, when you finished watching these above videos.

[@MrJKJKJK1974]

@@LogicStandsBeforeGod I won't watch those videos unless I think there is good reason to. Your 'god exists' claim isn't sufficient.

[@douglascampbell66]

Boring

[@tadmorrison]

Absolute pablum. All you have to do is show the existence of an unembodied mind. Using the physical world to prove or disprove the supernatural is nonsense.