GM 2.0/2.2/2.4L, Timing Chain Replacement, Cloyes 9-4201S & 9-4202S

🔥 This technical video from Cloyes covers the removal and installation of the timing drive system for General Motors 2.0/2.2/2.4L Ecotec engine.
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⛓ Part numbers related to this video are: 9-4201S, 9-4201SA, 9-4201SA1K3, 9-4201SA2K3, 9-4201SAVVT1, 9-4201SAVVT2, 9-4201SAWP, 9-4201SB1K3, 9-4201SB2K3, 9-4201SBWP, 9-4201SWP, 9-4201SX, 9-4202S, 9-4202SA, 9-4202SAX, 9-4202SX, 9-4201, 9-4202, 9-5375, 9-5381, 9-5382, 9-5383, 9-5384, 9-5385, 9-5386, 9-5467, 9-5481, 9-5496, 9-5803, S849, S850T, S851, S853, S855, VC106, VC107, VTS106, VTS107
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[@bjusticeforever]

FYI: I broke a tooth on BOTH new balance shaft sprockets using the 'drill bit method!' To anyone who had the same problem, I'd suggest wrapping the OLD balance sprocket chain around the sprocket and grabbing with a vise-grip to hold in place while removing/installing the sprocket. By using the old chain, you take the pressure off the single tooth and greatly reduce the likelihood of damaging the sprocket!

[@Cloyes01]

Very good advice. The punch/bit method will work, but you do risk breaking a tooth. If we film an updated video for this application, the method you described is the method we will recommend.

[@romanfedotov9434]

Glad i followed this advice. I cut the old chain in half and wrapped it around the balance shaft sprocket and let it bind up against the block. Worked perfect to break the balance shaft bolts loose, then i wrapped the chain around the other way, let it bind up against the block on the intake side and against a bolt boss on the exhaust side and i could torque the sprocket bolts to spec

[@bjusticeforever]

@@romanfedotov9434 Glad my advice panned out for you. It was REALLY upsetting when I broke not one, but BOTH of my new sprockets (and had to buy two more!) When the first one snapped, I thought it was my fault or the gear was of poor quality. The second one proved of the stupid idea of using a drill bit!

[@liberty4617]

@@romanfedotov9434 Yep i did this exact thing, ,the pin method just wasnt working

[@jeremybaxter3722]

Made everything simple as shit. I’ve down loads of timing belts but never a chain, and was pretty nervous going into it. This was an absolute gem of a video. 10/10. Glad the engine was out in the vid. Made everything super clear. Thanks

[@maxdamage8562]

It's too easy that way, and clean too. Cheating, I say.

[@billyjacque6940]

This is my second comment on this video, but I think it is worth saying. I, like many of you, had a really hard time getting the sprockets off on the balance shafts. In fact, I ended up dropping drill bits and punches into my oil pan (100% my fault- I should have stuffed a rag into the void leading to the oil pan). Anyhow, what I ended up doing (and it worked really well) is I took the old balance shaft chain, and cut it in half with a cutting wheel. From there, I draped the chain over the top of 1 of the sprockets, bunched one end of it and let it bind on the housing. This held the sprocket solid and allowed me to remove and reinstall the new one.

[@Burgerkinglover32]

Were you able to get your stuff put of the oil pan

[@billyjacque6940]

@@Burgerkinglover32 yeah- I think I had to drop the oil pan to get everything out

[@Burgerkinglover32]

@billyjacque6940 was it difficult did you do it on a lift or on the ground

[@GlacialErratic]

very impressed with the cost of the VVT kit and this tutorial. all aftermarket manufacturers need to take notice of Cloyes and follow their example. much appreciated!

[@LESLASLESLAS]

One thing I didn’t hear mentioned is if you’re doing this because the chain guide broke, make sure to drop the oil pan and clean out the oil pickup tube. I am in the process of doing one now and the oil pickup tube was completely jam packed with debris. Had I not done this I’m certain the motor would not have lasted more than 5 miles.

[@Cloyes01]

Very good point Jerrod. Thanks.

[@torres427]

Absolutely. With the engine removed from my ‘08 Cobalt, I took off the oil pan and the OIL PICKUP TUBE was packed with debris. There were metal pieces from the chain guide, and broken plastic guide pieces.

[@mikeroberts5646]

Exactly I,m doing this Job on a 2011 Buick Regal 2.4 mine was also jam packed I took this oil pan off at first to clean out the Metal particles and knew there was debris ,you have to also take the metal Stupid cover off and knock the Oil pickup tube out of its hole first before you even find out what’s in it,stupid design but so are all GM products A side note the upper chain guide was completely cut in Half,so if you hear any strange noise,take that Valve cover off to inspect

[@nutsandbolts7407]

That must've been the it seized on me..broken guide .. replaced chain n everything but didn't check the oil pan now I'm swapping the engine.... (Year later)

[@casemods]

Thanks for posting this. Going to do this. Does that tube just pop out?

[@williamthibault5545]

I love the cloyes timing videos. Used this one today on a customers car. They were quoted 16 hours for the job by the dealer, we did it in 6. I also used your video for the gm 3.6 in the GMC Acadia. Great videos 👍

[@mostlyuselessgarage]

You guys are legends, 5 years and you're still responding to comments! I just performed this job on an LE5 using the Cloyes kits and followed this guide. Thank you for the clear instructions and filming of each step.

[@leopoldhazelzet4796]

What a great tutorial you made by this, hats off!

[@paull4418]

This is such a better video than your previous one THANK YOU!! the last video said nothing about taking up the slack of the chain before triggering the tensioner which i believe is why i had slackness in my chain

[@JonathanDavid374]

Thanks for this video. I watched many KZbin videos on this procedure, but this is by far the best and most helpful.

[@savagesavant4964]

Very informative quick guide. Thx, Cloyes!

[@johnharris2417]

Thank You for producing this awesome video. Watched it twice and I am about done with the project. 2012 Terrain with 90k. I bought the complete Cloye kit for the balance shafts and camshafts along with new VVT sprockets. Everything fits like it should so far.

[@gilbertrangel3668]

Like to thank you guys for the great information! I just finished my first Eco timing chain and balance chain replacement on a 2013 Equinox. With your help I was able to get the job done right the first time. I've done some timing chain's before on older cars and got the much needed help from you on these newer engine's. These are a little bit more complex engine's. Thanks again!

[@archielouis2932]

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[@brodiemoshe9098]

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[@archielouis2932]

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[@archielouis2932]

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[@brodiemoshe9098]

@Archie Louis You are welcome =)

[@arthurtalmage4930]

Best assistance ever without college needed! Thank ya!

[@itsnotcomedy6523]

i just learned how to replace my water pump and timing chain for free thanks just saved me so much more money!!!

[@themachine7164]

Great information. Very valuable as well for Alfa Romeo 159 1,9 JTS engine. Engine is basically same - a GM engine.

[@vioransoldier9868]

Excellent walk-through, I'll be doing just that on my 07 G6. My first car may end up a success story.

[@rdylima9]

Thank you very much for your videos. I am just subscribed because they helped me to perfectly install my parts.

[@Mementomori458]

Amazing attention to detail

[@bjusticeforever]

Good video! Thorough...and thanks for taking time to answer the questions below!

[@Cloyes01]

Thank you!

[@bjusticeforever]

@@Cloyes01 Quick question: the video says to torque the balance shaft-to-sprocket bolt to 37 ft lbs. Is this correct?

[@Cloyes01]

@@bjusticeforever That is correct.

[@bjusticeforever]

@@Cloyes01 Then someone needs to build a tool other than a 5/32" punch to hold these balance-shaft sprockets. I've broken 3 trying to torque them to 37 ft. lbs!!

[@bromoenook356]

This is helpful I just need to find quality parts to install now I swear the last time I watched this it said nothing about the chain tensioner but now seeing it is awesome

[@oldblueshhrchannel1847]

Thank you for the reply, I will reopen the valve cover and front cover, investigate the possibility of an oil pressure problem.

[@johnoakes6771]

Great Demo, very helpful thanks

[@autoholicmedia4794]

Excellent video!

[@harrisyoung9946]

Thank you for posting the video, it is very helpful. I would recommend taking the time to set the engine to TDC and not just a downward stroke so that you can use the markings in the video should you accidentally let the cam or a balance shaft rotate. I am in the middle of the job on a 2.0 lnf turbo engine, and the balance shaft sprockets on mine do not break loose like they do in the video. Using a punch and a 3/8 drive ratchet my 5/32 punch broke from the pressure. A friend that runs a shop recommended using a small impact hoping the percussion would knock the bolt loose under less pressure, I used a titanium 5/32 dewalt drill bit this time, and with a small impact nothing broke loose, it only slowly warped the drill bit. I grabbed my larger impact to retry and broke the drill bit in half, bolt and sprockets are still on the balance shafts. Any advice would be appreciated

[@Cloyes01]

You can remove the shafts from the engine and clamp them in a vice, on the non-bearing surfaces, with a cloth to protect the shafts. That is really the only other option if you can't get the punch/drill bit method to work.

[@gregcarter3830]

Awesome Video! Thank you so much!

[@etothelij]

Follow up - had been in and out of my timing case 3 times since. Double checked everything. Made sure balance shaft sprockets were at 37ft lbs - the problem ended up being a DEFECTIVE balance chain tensioner. It had sprung, but after a decent amount of pressure, 15lbs orso, it retracted back into its turtle shell. My car has been down about 3 weeks because of this. Do you have a better quality control option? I wouldn't think a brand new tensioner in one of your kits would be defective, but low and behold. Double check all your tensioner and push as hard as you can after you spring it to make sure it does its job.

[@genaromr8417]

Excelente vídeo muy efectivo y mucha ilustración

[@trauto9554]

Awesome video. Very well explained. Very Quality products from this company. I have used many.

[@Industrial-Sewing-Consulting]

Very nice video.. thanks for your guidance.. I bought your pats and installed myself with the engine in the vehicle..

[@NikolaiVevenko]

I am looking to change the timing chain for 2.4 Chevy Equinox. Please, give me your e-mail, I have couple of questions with that. Thank you!

[@doubled1963]

Great video, keep it up. Cheers

[@plug007]

Great video. I plan to do one next week

[@silkyg3400]

Thanks for video much appreciated 🖒🖒

[@hedgepethracing9590]

These videos make shit like this possible.. THANKS !!

[@StreetLegend09]

Good video, especially showing how to get rid of the slack. Cloyes has awesome timing chain kits.

[@evanscj86]

Your video and time help me, I thank you

[@simonbf99]

thanks! helped me, alot with my saab 9-3ss

[@rkw3000]

On the 2009 2.2 VVT the exhaust cam wanted to rotate counter clockwise when the chain came off. The 24mm wrench kept it from moving as it rested agsinst the cowl. In the video it shows having to rotate the intake cam in order to get the sprocket on the exhaust cam. However in my case I had to rotate the exhaust cam clockwise to get it on, since I only had one 24mm wrench and it was locked on the exhaust cam. Another tip, when putting the crank pulley back on, you can torque it to the initial 74 ft lbs with a large screwdriver between the pulley and the housing. However to get the additional 75 degrees of rotation I chalked the bolt and pulley and then made a mark to where the bolt needed to rotate to for the extra 75 degrees. Then I used my 1400 ft lb impact gun to get it there. The cams I was able to do myself by hand.

[@nutsandbolts7407]

Good I needed to review...I'm swapping mine n thinking of keeping the old one to rebuild it....

[@sbhemi17]

Great video! Thanks!

[@rickl6697]

This video is a big help. I wish you had a video on replacing valve guide seals on the 2.2 ecotec. Wife's car smokes especially after idling a while at a traffic light or first start up.

[@Cloyes01]

Thanks. We only specialize in the timing components so you will just see timing content from us, but I understand. Change the PCV valve first if you haven't already, just to make sure that isn't the problem.

[@rickl6697]

@@Cloyes01 Thanks for the reply but there is no "conventional" pcv valve. There may be something built into the underside of the valve cover but haven't been able to find anything for sure and that would be an expensive guess. Thanks again, if I can solve this problem I'll probably be looking y'all up for the timing chain kitdls. Her car has been a great car(2003 Saturn Quad coupe) untill this smoking and has 171k miles and still looks brand new. Thanks again!

[@kj-zf8in]

Did this same job with OE parts back in March, noticed the kit had the 3rd design balance shaft chain included. When did the latest kit come out?

[@jacktastick]

Just got a brand new sprocket from cloyes, it has a broken tooth. Thanks guys!

[@keithfischer509]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@iWatchVideosAtHome]

I love doing chains on these 2.4s... so simple and easy, it's like they designed it knowing you have to replace em every 100k

[@Livnlikelarry]

🤣 they're so thoughtful

[@trueamerican7034]

I'm at 112,000, another 88,000 before replacement

[@redwahe2515]

I'm changing mine at 182,000 and at first I was stressed but now everything is falling into place

[@Matcatgwp]

Thanks for the video. I got balance and timing sets installed over weekend(2.2). starts up and has chain clatter. Drove about 1 mile, clatters under load but not coasting. Unceartain if chain tensioner functioning. Do I just remove it to see if its activated and try installing/ activating again ? And will it seat correctly without removing the front cover again? This is my first experience with this type of engine. Thanks

[@hungnguyen-bv6mk]

very good and clear cheers

[@ThePudgie123]

Great vid!!!

[@larrycheek9209]

Just watched the video and think it will help on this first time on this style engine. I did notice that no one has mentioned that if the original guides are broken or have misplaced parts you had better remove the oil pan and clean them out of the oil pickup tube screen. You will have a greater failure later.

[@henrygerrits1]

Agreed, i found a number of broken guide fragments and metal from damaged bolts in the oil pan

[@torres427]

Hello. Great video. I recently ordered the 9-4201S kit to install into my 2.2L L61 engine. I will also be changing the cap and bearings, the motor is on an engine stand. After Top-Dead-Center, do you suggest I start from the cap and bearings, then work my way to the 9-4201S timing chain installation? Thanks.

[@steveliedel]

Hello!! Let me start by saying, your videos are “SPOT ON”! Your step by step directions are easy to follow, & very thorough! I am nearly finished with a entire balance shaft, timing chain, & water pump job on a 2012 Malibu 2.4L. With the exception of the water pump, every other part installed, was “Cloyes” brand parts. Top quality parts also, I’d like to add!! I do have a question? As for the timing chain tensioner, is there a way I can verify that the tensioner is engaged, against the guide? I did what the video shows, as for activating it. But, it still seems to me that there is some slack in the timing chain. Is there a way I can verify, (for sure) that the tensioner is in its “activated” state? Any suggestions, would be greatly appreciated!! Thank you! Steve L.

[@loygates9358]

Very dam good video

[@ivansalcedo3883]

I've been dealing this problem with my Saturn ion 06 and u make it to simple. I don't have the engine out. I don't have a hoist. I'm going on two weeks without working. I need my car. These videos are helpful but show the what ifs too...

[@timothybryant2898]

I ordered the 9-4201SX set for a 2011 Chevy Equinox and the links of my chain do not look like the chain used in the video. My whole chain appears a lighter shade of gray with one light golden link and two darker black links. Is this the correct chain or did I wind up with a knockoff?

[@jerryturner252]

I've got an 07 HHR with 2.2. It currently has 308000 miles on it. Replaced alternator is the only thing I had to do on the engine. It still has the original clutch.

[@mftstrifelegit2786]

Better go buy some lottery tickets you're luck is about to Run out

[@shawncordeiro1150]

@@mftstrifelegit2786 what more do you expect of the motor if it dies tommorrow 308 is good enough

[@adamsgarage5119]

Just did this proceedure on my 2013 Buick Verano. Bought an AC Delco kit OEM. Before wjen you drove the car there was like a ticking rattling noise because the chain stretched and was causing P0014 code. Afterwards no check engine light and engine is running smooth again. THANK GOD, at first I thought it was a rod knock

[@psfanboy79]

Did u have to pull the engine?

[@psfanboy79]

I have same car, my parents gave it to me, the chain is bad shop said so I had them tow to my house, I’m just curious if ima have to pull the engine

[@adamsgarage5119]

@@psfanboy79 no! Its possible to do while it in the car. You do habe to lift the engine a little bit by removing the motor mount

[@psfanboy79]

@@adamsgarage5119 thanks! I just replaced vvt solonoids and unfortunately upon closer inspection of the old ones there were bits of metal shavings on the filter screens so I didn’t even bother turning it over. The chain n guides are definitely toast.

[@michael-qp9xd]

Hi - need new chain on my 2007 solstice with 2.0l turbo - with your replacement - was easy to remove power steering belt and main drive belt for ac and drive belt tensioner? Did have to drain oil? And u mention lifting engine up slightly - why needed? My solstice is rear drive so engine front cover behind fan so maybe i need to remove fan/radiator to get at front cover? How many hours approximately take u to do job? Thanks for any update here.

[@TRY81GETYOU]

Nice job

[@ericxiong7781]

Installing this past weekend. I triple check the timing marks and got the car to start. However, I’m with engine codes p0016 p0017 p228d p0089. I did not use the Cyoles timing chain sprocket because it had a circle mark at 4 o’clock. I did use the OEM sprocket.

[@SolidSkills54]

NICE VIDEO THANK'S

[@SuperMacGuy]

A few tips for anyone else doing this (my car is 08 Saturn Sky): You probably need a 3-jaw gear puller to remove the pulley. NOT the Y-shaped/peace sign style. No need to rent the gear puller set at the parts store, just buy a 3-jaw puller. I had to grind the 3 jaw teeth to fit precisely on the pulley. Once pulling, it was easy to get off. I used the old bolt as the pivot point. If you're doing a water pump replacement at the same time - the WP gear does fit in/out of the hole for the WP. To take off the WP pulley bolts, I made a bar with 2 holes to allow me to keep the WP from turning while loosening and installing those bolts. I used an alum bar with holes 1-5/8 apart on center, to put one bolt with a 3/4inch plastic spacer in the WP pulley threaded hole, and using the big WP bolt on the boss near it. Removing the cam gear on the crank required the 3-jaw puller, it's not easy to slip off/on by hand, there's a good amount of friction at the installed position. Removing the bolts from the balance shafts is a joke. I did not replace them as I bent my punch when I tried to loosen the bolt. Remember these parts have been going through thousands of heat cycles and everything can be stuck together. The video uses clean, demo-only engines. Not real life engines. Also, IMO, it's not required to replace every piece. The markings on the OE balance sprockets are marked but hard to see without good light. The main cam gear on the crank had plastic cushioner on it. There was a thin shim on the front of it that covered the part number and the timing mark dot, but it was so precisely fit it was hard to see until I took off the whole gear and touched the shim. In hindsight I might have been able to keep that gear honestly. The main chain for the cams likes to fall off the crank gear. Have a helper to keep it in place while you work. The balance shaft gear on the crank has a springy action to it so you can't try to turn the balance chain drivetrian after that's all in place. The vertical metal tensioner only seemed to fit into place from the top, not the bottom. Buy a plug/bolt replacement for the top vertical chain guide on the driver side so you don't have to fret about losing that top bolt taking it out of the big hole. Apparently it's prone to break. Most of the bolts are 89 inch-pounds but the GM book specifies 106 for some of the bolts actually. I ground a tiny slot mark on the outside of the main pulley to mark TOP and painted an arrow. Hopefully there's no "next time". Putting the main pulley back on doesn't require a special tool, just used the old bolt. I was able to push and wiggle the pulley on for an inch or so, then used the old bolt to press it down. Easy. I bought a flywheel holding tool on eBay for $15, easy to use in the starter hole. Tightening the crank bolt to 100Nm + 125 degrees required 2 passes on the degree bar, about 60 degrees each time, as there's not enough room IMO to go all at once. It's the most bolt tightening I've even done. You NEED a 24 inch or longer bar, I used a breaker bar, ie no ratcheting. The degree measure tool from the parts store is like $12.

[@DAZ_SR]

No gear puller required. Stick a pry bar in there and work it around, I’ve never had one not come off. Don’t be scared.

[@stephenr1999]

Thank you for this video, wish all KZbin videos were this good.

[@futbolmiami8368]

Thanks bro 👍🏾👊

[@Mike_Thompson]

Do any of the bolts under the timing cover require loctite? The chain guide bolts or sprockets?

[@jonathanminton2191]

I am looking at the kits online and notice in the picture of the CLOYES 94201SX there are 5 colored links 3 black and 2 yellow and the yellow links are on each side of one of the black links, so how would this chain align

[@Cloyes01]

The 2 yellow links surrounding the black link are marking it as the unique link. Align the black link between the yellows to the intake mark.

[@gk308-qo6ji]

Great video. However, using a punch or drill bit to hold the balance gears in place might work good on an engine stand but was nearly impossible in the tight space of my engine compartment in my 09 Pontiac G6. I did manage to remove both balance gear sprockets with a lot of grit and determination but could not get in a position to torque the bolts when installing and managed to break a tooth on the intake sprocket. Looking through the comments, I see that I wasn't the only one. When I get my replacement sprocket in a couple of days, I plan on re-installing the old chain, crank sprocket, chain guides and tensioner. Then stick a small wood wedge (or a penny) between the chain and the crank sprocket to keep it from turning while torquing the balance shaft bolts to 37 ft-lbs. Unless I hear of a better way, that's what I'm going to do. Now I wish that I left those sprockets in place. They were still in good shape.

[@Cloyes01]

That will work well. If we remade this video today we would recommend using the old chain to wrap the sprockets. Then you can allow the old chain to "bunch up" against the block or vice grip the old chain to get the bolts loosened or tightened.

[@marknguyen7559]

Good job

[@AlanSallee-ro3mw]

Do you have for the timing chain cover off because you’ve lost to change the water pump can you pick it back up in there and Cheyann put it back on

[@TerminatorSony]

well done!!!

[@bkj242]

Excellent video, probably the best one I've seen especially without all the horribly mixed of terrible music. How refreshing, a simple video that is extremely helpful. On the 2013 Equinox 2.4L, the engine mounting bracket is blocking access to the lower engine chain path and where the tensioners are located. If this mount/bracket is removed would the engine tend to drop or move? This appears to be a serious issue for guy in his garage with no lift. Thanks again great effort!!

[@mikethemechanic8853]

Yes the engine will want to drop some when it is removed. Use a jack under the oil pan to support the engine before removal. Find something flat and bigger than the jack head so the weight is distributed more, that way you don't damage the pan. When you raise the jack you only want a little pressure, stop when you see the engine move up a slight amount.

[@chewykarma]

Installed a Cloyes timing chain kit in a 2011 NOX in 2017 without benefit of this video, piecing together information from several sources. Anyone doing it now will have a much easier time, due to this video. The crank bolt deserves mention, however: Does Cloyes sell a new TTY crankshaft balancer retaining bolt? I do not see one mentioned in the kit, and you'll need one. (GM is extremely proud of theirs.) If memory serves, it tightens to 100 NM plus 125 degrees.

[@Cloyes01]

Thanks for the great review! Unfortunately we do not sell the balancer bolt. Great tip!

[@DevJB]

Dear Cloyes. Please update the "CLOYES 95381" Timing guide. The bolt hole wall tolerance is too thin. They rattle and break. I've contacted Cloyes numerous times with no reply about it. Cloyes should be the first to correct the 95381 Timing guide since Cloyes has the contract with GM. Thank you.

[@normanward9423]

Excellent

[@Ender_Wiggin03]

Any reason why my balance shaft gears are at 1:00 and 4:00 for intake and exhaust, with crank at 6:00, after replacing this chain after a water pump/timing chain swap, I have a low frequency vibration and can't figure out where it's coming from.

[@joseluislopez3060]

Exellent video

[@baileyd86]

I just replaced timing chain 3 guides and sprocket may car started and runs but it almost sounds like chain rubbing in the valve cover could this be related to the tensioner possibly it being out 2.4 2011 Malibu

[@themccaffery]

The factory service manual has higher torque values on some of the static guides on both the balance shaft and the cam chains.. just realized this after following the video.. 89in vs 139in kind of a big difference not so much the 89 vs 109 but still. I also noticed the bolts coming out of those guides had thread locker on them although the manual does not call for it either.

[@chasnu7212]

2011 terrain pulled the primary tensioner out noticed it might not have been activated as it pushed back suddently on removal, replaced it with a new one but happened to be faulty as i could not get it to activate,so i checked and put the old one back in since it seemed ok, activated it replaced the valve cover and my gas consumption and power are amazing now, any idea what happened here? I still have a rattle but seems to be less prominent on startups as before and less frequent, thinking of replacing the oil pressured tensioner today, what do you think? The chain links are solid no stretching has happened on the cam shaft chain as ican detect, Nelson Vienneau. Thanks for the great video you guys are amazing!

[@DAZ_SR]

Either the chain stretched, doubt it, or when you activated the tensioner the slack was on the intake side vs the exhaust side.

[@1DjYo]

Thank you.

[@brandonmeckle1632]

07 Malibu with a 2.2 I have removed cam sprocket and the chain is loose laying in there but it will not come right out the top like how you did it or the bottom like there is some type of shaft or part of block that it is wrapped around do you have any idea how to get it out

[@etothelij]

I've been having a hell of a time. 2006 chevy cobalt supercharged ecotec 2.0 lsj. Bought your balance shaft and timing chain kit, because it was about that time and my thermostat had just gone out. Anyway, I'm probably going to call your hotline tomorrow. Did everything listed, everything torqued to spec.Initially, I didnt spring the timing chain tensioner, after pulling it out, it had been released. My idle was fine on turn over, no engine codes (still no engine codes). Seemed a little heavier I n vibration on the jackstands, but I've got billet mounts, so I assumed the vibration was reverberation due to it still being on stands, it having solid engine mounts, and torque damper. Any revving while the tires are on the car, and I try vibrations like my car is going to fall apart. More vibration the higher the rpm goes. Also, at TDC in cylinder on the compression stroke, my 2 o'clock on the intake says exh, where my exh (firewall side), says int at the 10-11 o'clock position. Cam sprokets only go on one way..not that it should matter, but have you heard of camshaft sprokets being reversed from the dealership? I dont think I could possibly have the timing reversed 180 degrees, because it wouldn't start nicely, or at all, or would backfire from what I'm reading? Could you shine some Insight, or is there any chance that an under or over torqued anything in the timing cover could cause the vibration? Sorry for the novel, I'm all out of ideas. My father just got diagnosed with 4 weeks to live and this is my only vehicle. Please please any help you could give would be great.

[@Cloyes01]

Timing is set on this engine with #1 TDC on the exhaust stroke. That explains why your cam sprockets are 180 out on the compression stroke, it is perfectly normal. With the car running, and no codes, you have the engine in time. The vibrations could be caused by a balance shaft/shafts being out of time, but with the colored links aligned correctly with the marks on the sprockets there is nothing you can do wrong there. If you are confident that the marks were aligned then the solid engine mounts are more than likely the cause of the vibrations you are experiencing.

[@etothelij]

@@Cloyes01 if I didnt set the timing chain tensioner, the 32mm bolt, could that have caused my balance shaft chain to skip a few teeth on start up?

[@etothelij]

@@Cloyes01 because these arent new mounts, I've had them off the car several times, and back on, mounts torqued to spec. Or is it possible when changing balance shaft sprockets, if the pinch hold (where you catch the tooth to remove the sprocket with a punch or drill bit) slips when putting on a the new sprockets as long as you turn the balance shafts to their correct positions without completing the turn, assuming it slipped right on tighten, I'd move it counter clockwise back, against the direction it turned? OR, if I worked counter clock wise installing the balance shaft chain vs clockwise from your video and others I've seen could that be the culprit? Do I need to turn my motor over 180 degrees and then do the balance shaft chain,should I turn the crank clockwise for a full revolution, or 33 revolutions, to get the timing chain to match up on the marks on the initial install, and then line up the balance shaft chain links to the sprockets?

[@Cloyes01]

The balance shaft chain would not be affected by the primary chain tensioner. As long as you pulled the pin on the balance shaft tensioner then you will have no issues.

[@Cloyes01]

Turning the balance shafts independently will not matter at all, as long as the marks are properly aligned when the chain is installed. The sprockets have a "D" shaped back so they will only install on the shaft one way. If you want to reset the balance shaft timing you can rotate the engine back to the starting position (cam marks at 10 and 2 with the crank key at 12) then remove the balance shaft chain tensioner and guides. From there you can realign all the marks on the balance shaft system and reinstall the components. You will not need to disassemble any primary components, and keep in mind the colored chain links on the primary chain will not be aligned anymore.

[@davebarajas5308]

Hi Cloyes, thank you so much for this video. I will be ordering Cloyes timing chain kits for main and balance on my 2.4 Ecotec. Very clear cut instructions however I only want to verify one thing, I have the VVT version and the only step I'm thinking about is the one where the cam phaser holding tool was mentioned in the video. Can I substitute using the tool with just a plain wrench like shown in the video to hold the cams steady to install/uninstall the bolts? Or is there more that I am missing here? I don't want to damage the cam phasers. Any advice is much appreciated.

[@Cloyes01]

The camshaft holding tools are not required for the VVT equipped engines either. The same process of using the hex features on the camshaft can be used. The cam holding tools may make the job easier, but are not required, and you are not risking phaser damage by not using them.

[@davebarajas5308]

Great, Thank you so much for the response.

[@MohamedMohamed-go2si]

Good video. If the original timing chain guide is shattered, do I need to pull down the oil pan to clean debris.

[@Cloyes01]

I recommend doing so. You don't want parts of that old guide clogging the oil pump pickup.

[@OanhNguyen-vz6qs]

Very good!thank….

[@ericxiong7781]

Do you know another indication of the TDC in exhaust stoke? Haynes manual states marking on pulley and line mark in engine cover is TDC on compression. My arrows on the camshafts are 10 on intake 12 on intake. That’s the closest I can it to align to the arrows. I also did put a screw driver in cylinder number 1 to to TDC.

[@Cloyes01]

Sounds like you are close enough. The engine does not need to be at perfect TDC to set the timing. The chain sets the timing, as long as your links are all aligned properly to the sprockets, then it is in time.

[@DevJB]

Yes, I put a compression tester gauge on Cylinder 1 and I hand rotate the engine crank clockwise a few turns to find compression stroke, then I remove gauge from spark plug hole and I insert the screw driver and slowly turn crank clockwise micro amounts until I'm TDC, Now I know it's at TDC compression stroke. So, then I just turn the crank clockwise 1 more 360° turn clockwise, then I know this is TDC Cyl #1 exhaust stroke. (no compression on exhaust stroke TDC)

[@casemods]

Primary tensioner just keeps backing off. I can't pull it out. Any suggestions?

[@BadAssPedro1996]

Cloyes Gear & Products, Inc. I am doing my timing chain on my 2.2 ecotec and watched your video. This is a great video however I’m doing my timing chain because my old one snapped and bent the valves on cylinder 4. I installed new valves and am ready to do the timing but because my chain broke, what is the best way to get my cams on the exhaust stroke? I already have the bottom half at TDC, I just wanna know how to get my cams In time without piston to valve contact.

[@Cloyes01]

Move the crank so all the pistons are down slightly in the cylinders. You can then install the cam sprockets and move the marks to the approximate correct locations. Then you can take the sprocket back off and move the crank back to the starting point.

[@gamerkila57]

Ok i have everything broken down and i am trying to remove the balance shaft gears but they will not come off. I tried sticking a punch in the hole to keep the gear from moving but the bolt will not break aloose. Any suggestions ?

[@dnlmachine4287]

If you can reach it with an impact gun, CAREFULLY try a couple of SHORT bursts with the impact gun. If you dont have an impact gun, or cannot reach with the impact gun, use a breaker bar and sharply hit the end of it with a hammer. You need sudden sharp force to get the bolt to start moving. Stay gold.

[@lincolncereghin1603]

Hi there, great video. I have a 2011 Buick Regal 2.4L Eco Tech. I bought a timing kit from Cloyes and I followed your video with certainty that I had it correct. I had all points on each chain on the right tooth of each sprocket. But I did what you suggested not to do and that was that I had turned the crankshaft by hand to see if there was any interference/out of time. The issue I’m having is that I keep rotating the crank and the chain marks are not lining back up with the sprockets mark no matter how many times I turn it. Basically I’m wondering if those marks on the chain are for the initial timing and they won’t ever line up again or have I messed something up. And if I did mess it up is there anything you could suggest I did to do that? Your feed back is much appreciated. Thank you.

[@Cloyes01]

Those chain marks will only align once every so many turns. You may have to rotate over 100 times to get them to all line back up.

[@loganator78r]

I have a 2013 chevy malibu eco with the 2.4l ecotec luk. When I go onto your website for both cam phasers, I only see one. Do I use it for both intake and exhaust cams? Or do I have to source out the intake one from somewhere else

[@Cloyes01]

Some applications use 2 of the VC107 "exhaust" phasers instead of one VC106 and one VC107. Our data should be correct regarding your application. Just make sure what you remove matches what you install. If you want to confirm before ordering, you should be able to remove the valve cover and see if they match.

[@macardabirturk9380]

Thank you sir🙏🙏🙏

[@DAZ_SR]

Make sure your PCV orrifice, in the intake is clear if you don’t want oil leaks.

[@chriscrouch7819]

I ordered at kit from you all for a 2010 equinox and when I get the camshaft sprockets one with the unique color on the intake side and black on the exhaust and black on crank shaft and line the crank sprocket up with the timing mark my exhaust cam is setting between 11 and 12 o'clock and intake is setting close to 2 o'clock does that sound right

[@Cloyes01]

That sounds correct. As long as all three marks are aligned you have it right.

[@JoeyLovesTrains]

Thinking about buying your kit for my LE5 2.4L ecotec in my 2007 G6. Is the chain a different design compared to oem or are they both the same design? Just trying to get a feel or the difference between the 2

[@Cloyes01]

The chain we supply is a match to the OEM design.

[@ZacharyRomaker]

Where would I find a replacement bolt that would go in the left balance chain guide? Had one that snapped on me and am having trouble finding the bolt online. Any help would be appreciated.

[@rdylima9]

Hi I am having the same problem but it is with the right guide bolt. I am thinking of the junkyard, pep boys and this store called smith fastener company. I am just waiting for a ride so I can go there today.

[@ZacharyRomaker]

@@rdylima9 I actually found the item number and ordered one from GM Warehouse Parts, then I called my local chevy dealer and they happened to have exactly one in stock. paid like 3.10 plus 40 cent tax or something like that from the dealer. Got me a torque wrench so i didn't make the same mistake again. 2004 Cavalier 2 door with the 2.2 with 200,000 miles. Engine runs so smooth now compared to before. Got a spare bolt now also.

[@TheSCOTTEMUSIC]

So doing the turbo version with the cam sprockets without the locating lugs. Should we get sprockets (or at least try) with locating lugs? Or how can we re-install with those sprockets?

[@destruxxx]

It requires a camshaft lock set that fixes the cams into the correct positions.

[@tridongo1432]

Great video, but don't you need something holding the cams in place so that when you remove the sprockets and chain they don't move and screw up the timing? I've seen these blue or gold cam holders for this project for the Saab 9-3 but in the video I don't remember it mentioned. Thx.

[@Cloyes01]

They are not necessary, but can make the job easier. We do not use them during the video. The timing is set by the marked chain links aligning to the sprocket marks. If the cams move during disassembly, you will move the cams back when installing the new chain.

[@matthewpetersen4103]

​@@Cloyes01 Cloyes, the cam locks are necessary on a Saab if you are going to remove cam sprockets, and probably even if you don't. The sprockets are not keyed to the cam like a regular ecotech. They are just held by bolt tension. The cam sprockets also do not have timing marks on them. Blue locks are needed for the B207L (9-3 Linear little "t" engine, Gold is needed for the B207R big "T" engine. Trust me, I am putting one back together right now.

[@briansanchez1193]

Is it the same chains and brackets for vvt 2.2 and non vvt 2.2 and only the sprockets change? And is the timing process and marks the same on both?

[@Cloyes01]

Yes, this process works for the VVT equipped engines too. Everything is the same other than the camshaft sprockets.

[@kylesantomo9767]

What happen if I accidentally move the Balance shaft sprockets on disassemble and where do I find out how to fix my timing if it jumped. Thanks for all your help

[@Cloyes01]

You can just spin the balance shafts back to where they need to go so the sprocket marks and chain links align. The balance shafts do not connect to anything, so you can spin them freely. Same thing on the camshafts, however make sure the pistons are out of the way before rotating.

[@kylesantomo9767]

Thank you for your help. Much appreciated.

[@etchris]

Is it necessary to replace the harmonic balancer bolt with a new one

[@zHazzz]

When you remove all the guides and the balance shaft sprockets did you use a 10mm socket? Everything else was specified but not those. 3:53-4:51

[@DevJB]

Balance shaft sprocket bolts for 2.4L = 71 inch lb. + 30°. Balance shaft sprocket bolts for 2.2L = 37 ft lb. Balance shaft retaining bolts = 89 inch lb. Adjustable balance shaft chain guide bolts = 89 inch lb. Small balance shaft chain guide for 2004-2005 = 89 inch lb. Small balance shaft chain guide for 2006 and later = 132 inch lb. Upper balance shaft chain guide for 2004-2005 = 89inch lb. Upper balance shaft chain guide for 2006 and later = 132 inch lb. Timing primary chain tensioner 55 ft lb. -- Timing chain guides -- Adjustable timing chain guide bolts = 89 inch lb. Fixed timing chain guide bolts for 2004-2005 = 89 inch lb. Fixed timing chain guide bolts for 2006 and later = 132 inch lb. Upper timing chain guide bolts = 89 inch lb. Oil nozzle = 89 inch lb. Front guide access hole 10mm hex plug = 66 ft lb. Valve cover bolts = 89 inch lb. Valve cover ground step bolt = 89 inch lb. Water pump 'mount' bolts 18 ft lb. Water pump drain bolt = 15 ft lb. Timing cover water pump 'long' bolt = 18 ft lb. Timing cover perimeter bolts = 18 ft lb. Drivebelt tensioner bolt = 33 ft lb. Timing cover oil pump internal cover = 55 inch lb. Oil pump pressure relief valve = 30 ft lb.

[@davidtravale6237]

On my 09 2.4L Ecotec LE5 engine, the balance shaft bolts were 15mm.

[@andrewvirtue5048]

Everything was a 10mm bolt on my 03 cavalier, yes.

[@Roberto-gp3yx]

Do you guys have all that for a 2015 Chevy Malibu 2.5 non turbo ?