CM Punk, Young Bucks altercation following Punk media scrum comments: Wrestling Observer Radio

Bryan and Dave discuss CM Punk's comments during the AEW All Out media scrum and what they know of the altercation between Punk and The Young Bucks that took place following the comments. [September 5, 2022]
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[@bsmith35]

"Punk was mad at me today" - that means he is mad at you forever by the way - just so Bryan knows this.

[@Kratosx23]

The C in CM stands for Cornette.

[@superdaygh]

Haha that's for sure he can't let a single thing go

[@hagipilo5017]

CM "Never forget never forgive" PUNK. jezus christ what a giant baby. dude makes millions of dollars is world champ and calls out the EVP's right in front of TK?!

[@axelerhate9705]

@@hagipilo5017 if everyone tells bs about him of course hes gonna get mad

[@sebastiendorion4742]

That is so true 😅

[@CarterPresentsComics]

If you watch the Scrum, Jericho whispered something to Tony, what you could hear Jericho say is "Some shit went down."

[@KairosObj]

Work perhaps?

[@robertmarshall5997]

I went back and watched and didn't see anything like that

[@steveperez7758]

Yes I saw him whispering in TK ear I just didn't know what he said. It's hard to tell what is a work and what is real with Aew.

[@1Smooth1]

I listened and Tony asked Jericho “Hey are you going to be around?” and Jericho responded “yes” and Tony replied “I’ll call or text you later”. Probably to get together for dinner or drinks. Or a few lines of COKE. I’m guessing COKE! lol 😂

[@letsssgooo4618]

Not hard at all lol

[@dus10Bish0p]

"Now i'm getting on a ridiculous tangent." We're used to it, Dave.

[@aerialpenn8849]

Ridiculous Tangent is Dave's middle name

[@WilliamMightyRed]

@@aerialpenn8849 I always thought "YeahwellsolikeyouknowImeanyouknow" was his middle name...

[@cletussmithiv2788]

Watch your mouth

[@frontrunners4391]

@@WilliamMightyRed Lmmfao he drives me insane with that shit

[@Robbins996]

The irony being he stayed on topic more than usual

[@ashleyramage6958]

People kept saying they wanted the real CM Punk. Well they got him now

[@NL-fg6it]

and it’s brilliant. Someone to call out the clowns.

[@th3seek3r60]

We just needed a year on the road to have him as bitter as he is

[@conormcgregor8451]

@@NL-fg6it that’s what i’m saying this is the reason everyone loved punk but it seems wrestling has changed and a bunch of people are soft and get there feelings hurt over stuff that doesn’t involve them.

[@welowee7610]

Well, they got really high PPV buys and great ratings. I said it’s good man

[@jamesmiller5331]

@@conormcgregor8451 I have finally figured out the fandom. The insufferable aew fans that will jump all over you for even the slightest criticism. Turns out they're actually BTE fans first and foremost and now watch them actively root against their own company's drawing power because one of the talents crossed their little group of bisexual clowns. The people you would have found 10 years ago attending a brony convention have now moved to wrestling and this is what we got.

[@WillReacts]

"Now I'm getting off on a ridiculous tangent"...like that has ever stopped you before Dave lmfao

[@chriskay1449]

Well, at least he admitted it this time.

[@donkeysaurusrex7881]

Dave’s rambling stories are part of the channel’s charm.

[@killakurt6211]

Most self aware Dave has ever been

[@CMBell1985]

And he was cogent and relevant. Not a tangent at all!

[@jonathanmays8203]

I commented the same thing before I saw your comment 😂😂😂😂

[@chuckycheesechucky]

Meltzer is the reason that KZbin videos have a 1.5x speed feature.

[@dailydoseofleftpill3458]

couldn't agree more

[@Azav312]

Total sperg. I don't have the patience to listen at normal speed

[@duckmercy11]

Lol, I just played this at 1.5, although that was to save data on my mobile plan.

[@chrispoelive8376]

I just found that feature right now 😯

[@jrob7176]

I play all my videos at 2x

[@MoxyOh]

"It was hard to tell who he was talking about". No, it wasn't.

[@MoxyOh]

Like the scrum segment was obviously a work. So one of two things is true: These two are in on the storyline or they are such consumate ass-kissers that they're incapable of objectively covering anything.

[@vortex_1336]

Right? Like obviously he was talking about the Bucks. Like who else would he be referring to? Cody is gone and Omega was out at the time. Bucks are the only other EVP's.

[@exiaR2x78]

It was so obvious its about the bucks haha

[@johnm140]

The Hardly Boyz

[@migueldelarosa2121]

The Cucamonga kids.

[@inuenndo_]

A Wrestling journalist/insider with absolutely no bias just said “ He can’t be talking about the Young Bucks” lol

[@ame871022]

Facts

[@Yourmumbitch]

Punk told the truth he works with children gymnasts who don't know shit about wrestling JIM Cornette called all of this months ago, CM PUnk is right the bucks are jealous egotistical children trying to sabotage CM Punks run in the company

[@cooljammer00]

But it was specifically in the context of calling out "guys who haven't been anywhere or done anything". He's saying he can't be talking about the Bucks because the Bucks of all people in the company have done maybe the most. There's no company without them.

[@drchtct]

Well factually it can‘t be the Bucks

[@michaelfarrow5817]

The Bucks built the company and the scene from which it came. Without them being the guys who helped people get paid on the Indies, there's no Elite. No Elite, no AEW. He's riding their coattails. He earns what he earns off the back of what they did. No All Out, no AEW, Phil goes grovelling back to WWE. And for what? Fuck it, fire hi..

[@phoenix0401]

If this is anything close to real, Cody is the smartest man in wrestling.

[@jaybee4288]

Cody foresaw this. There’s an Interview long before there was any sound of trouble saying that the elite guys would get jealous of the ex wwe guys and vice versa. He saw it months before.

[@keithm11112]

Cody was the one holding it all together. He knew it was going to drop out at the bottom when he left. Punk is like gasoline on a fire

[@Luigi12687]

Cody is a clown

[@EliC09]

@@Luigi12687 he got out of AEW before shit hit the fan, so no. He’s not a clown (this coming from a guy that highly dislikes Cody)

[@silxix2599]

Cody has his own Ego, he booked himself as First TNT Champion... The Bucks just stuck behind Hangman, but nobody knows Colt Cabana better than CM PunK. Colt Cabana had to be fired, cause he's a dirt sheet rumor maker...

[@Gcool243]

None of the talent should be EVPs. It’s really that simple

[@jesuszamora6949]

They shouldn't be running the game division either. Omega taking FTR out of the game (if it ever comes out) is inexcusable.

[@juselara02]

Man I cannot agree more. Active wrestlers in power positions is the worst idea ever

[@ethanbradley2089]

Thought it was stupid since the rally in Jacksonville.

[@billywashere6965]

@@jesuszamora6949 Except he didn't? They're going to be part of the RoH DLC since they're RoH champions.

[@0pyrophosphate0]

@@billywashere6965 But they've been with the company for over 2 years. How are they not already factored into the base roster?

[@bipolarminddroppings]

"He cant be talking about the Young Bucks" I think you'll find he can.

[@RyanDMoore]

The Young Bucks fucking suck, I don't know why these guys blow them so much.

[@dogsbreakfast4952]

Well they’ve accomplished more then punk has so that wouldn’t make sense

[@tundraboy6498]

@@dogsbreakfast4952 Generation Me never won anything

[@rikcartman3874]

How?

[@musicjnky1982]

@@dogsbreakfast4952 mark

[@muscleinktv5093]

All we need now is Jim Cornette to rock up as punks manager 😂

[@thewindozer]

I can see that happening now that would be best for business Tony you need to hire that man

[@muscleinktv5093]

@@thewindozer I doubt bucks and kenny would let it happen but it would be 🔥🔥🔥

[@rentoptional1524]

Jim wouldn't do it for all the money on earth.

[@allforgreatness9883]

Jim doesnt want to work In AEW he said this many times already.

[@muscleinktv5093]

@@rentoptional1524 he’s worked for much worse, for much less in the past so wouldn’t be so sure about that

[@MrTambourineMan.]

I don’t know what’s going on, but this is so entertaining. I’ve spent a good eight hours on AEW today

[@baseballno3214]

Yea they’ve got me the most interested I’ve been in like a year so it’s definitely working

[@aaronlauretani8921]

What's happening is that Tony Khan is no Vince McMahon - A.K.A. his wrestlers aren't afraid of being punished by him.

[@phoenixmodellingphotography]

@@aaronlauretani8921 And us fans are reaping the benefits! 👌

[@SYMShutYoMouth]

If this doesn’t end up being a work, and the Elite leave you guys will look goofy as fuck.

[@aaronlauretani8921]

@@phoenixmodellingphotography For now...I don't think we'll be feeling that way if Punk refuses to work with certain guys or confuses fans by burying other babyfaces in promos even when it isn't part of a storyline that leads to any payoff. That just hurts the product eventually.

[@ToddSmith23]

It is unbelievable how much Dave and Bryan defend these EVPs

[@stevenweathers2989]

Is it really tho? I’ve followed the coverage, as I’m sure most have, and to see their reflex was to defend the elite was really on brand isn’t it?

[@dogred431]

Sounds to me like this is what AEW wanted Punk for. Wall to wall coverage in every wrestling publication. He has built about a year's worth of feuds in one press conference. Tony is on record saying he thinks Cornette has some valid points, and it's no surprise they seem to be leaning into that to make a story out of it. Punk heavily hinted almost everything Cornette has said. There is money in feuds that appear genuine. Punk has built hype almost on a level of the original WWE pipe bomb.

[@MoxyOh]

I wasn't sure at first til two things: He called them like a bunch of nobody's playing with their friends in Reseda...something Cornette says verbatim all the time...and the way he was eating directly into the microphone the whole time. That was such a "heel" mannerism to throw into the promo...just...chewing directly into the microphone and talking with his mouth full the entire time? Great touch.

[@axelerhate9705]

Could be. The fact Tony was oblivious to all this because he didnt had his phone is one of the lamest excuses ever

[@badhousemedia6983]

Punk and Khan are equally pathetic for different reasons.

[@mrchonk316]

I'm not sure this is the way to do it. i don't think it's a work and to me it's just going to piss people off in the end with one side leaving wether that be Punk or the Bucks/Omega

[@gammasmash1924]

​@@badhousemedia6983 Well that's that then. 😂🤣😂

[@RyanDMoore]

The scrum was fucking great. Meth'd out TK, pissed off Punk, fuck yeah.

[@AntLox]

Kahn has the last cooked batch of that Walter White for sure.

[@Suspect333]

not been around many people who get high im assuming... TK is just a passionate af dude.

[@gregthegroove]

LOOOOOL Fucking brilliant. I’ve been saying he’s been drugged out of his mind for months now. I’ve also said he’s so coked out, I believe some girls or girls have probably robbed ones hundreds of thousands of dollars by now.

[@murdockfiles9406]

Meth is a sleepy drug, cocaine is the adrenaline rush

[@Suspect333]

@@murdockfiles9406 lol meth ain't no sleepy drug fam

[@ashwinramesh583]

Bro……Jim Cornette is gonna have a field day about this……I can’t wait for that 😂😂😂😂😂

[@shuvrodev601]

Man he said same thing punk said 2 weeks ago

[@BabysitterSky]

Right? I can't wait for the out of touch 70 year old to yell about how "this ain't rasslin!!!!" He never does that so it'll be refreshing.

[@stuartoreilly2019]

Yeah, when I saw Punk start shooting I just envisioned the smile on Corny's face 😂

[@ashwinramesh583]

@@BabysitterSky this ain’t wrestling mate….I’m not a wwe fan either….but punk disrespected his boss in front of the world….I actually feel sorry for Tony…. I hate the elite but you could be professional and settle whatever issues you have backstage in front of Tony….not do this shit and keep interrupting your CEO at a press and pretty much bury the whole company…..Vince or hunter would have just fired anyone who would pull such a stunt….and I doubt cena or Roman would do something like that

[@BabysitterSky]

@@ashwinramesh583 Very true statement

[@TerrelLism]

Remember when Brandon Cutler got pissy at JR on the twitters over a comment JR made about everyone so obviously standing in the same spot for a long time waiting to catch a tope suicida? That was someone in the Elite's orbit mad at a man giving advise for improving optics on TV. Cutler took aim at a man who signed some of pro wrestling's biggest stars. Right or wrong, we currently have a version of the Klique in AEW and most of them are from the west coast. It is what it is. People can be pissed at Punk for airing it out but he isn't the first nor will be the last in the business to air some shit out.

[@kirkpatrikballares3291]

yeah, I think this is whats happening, theres an obvious divide in the company and AEW should consider changing up the power structure or at least let the talent talk and sort themselves out with supervision of course.

[@kirkpatrikballares3291]

@@renderinghues true, its always peppered in multi-men matches and its mostly unconvincing in most matches.

[@Basillikos]

This doesn't make sense because Cutler was immediately pressured to delete that tweet and he was removed from that match as punishment. Right afterwards is also when they changed his gimmick from D&D master to obnoxious Elite goon.

[@MachtPlays]

You know the Bucks & Kenny recently have been some of the only guys to do that spot correctly. The Bucks against (maybe in the triple threat?) we’re on the outside, Nick runs over and moves Matt out of the way to a different area, then the other team launches a tope and hits them. Kenny recently just moved against Ospreay, looked dead at the camera, and said “you think I was just going to stand there?!”

[@JakeK3339]

@@renderinghues Agreed. & I'm right there with you - Guys like Ospreay and Fenix are a delight to watch. But yeah, the standing spots are ridiculous, and sometimes like say on AEW PPVs we might see them not just 3-4 times a night, but 3-4x a MATCH. Especially during certain Young Bucks matches or a match with 2-3 highflyers... Those long-spots need to go, they just look so setup & fake that it makes me cringe.

[@jonathanmays8203]

Dave:"Now I'm getting off on a tangent." Me:"We are used to that Dave." 😂😂😂😂

[@HkFinn83]

‘He can’t be talking about the Young Bucks!’ 😂😂

[@NL-fg6it]

I laughed so hard

[@dogsbreakfast4952]

Why?

[@zigga967]

@@dogsbreakfast4952 lol, Dave has a MAN CRUSH on those guys.

[@mikeuc16]

Bryan and Dave are such a joke lol

[@dx2327]

These two always set the narrative the young bucks want.

[@warrensloan3467]

You have one side that plays nice to everybody’s face and just does passive aggressive stuff when no one is looking, and another that is constantly looking for a fight over real and imagined slights everywhere he goes. This was inevitable. I just find it amusing that anyone can find one side to be blameless in this whole thing.

[@ItsWhizi]

Oh thank god I’m not alone. Thank you for the reasonable take that used an ounce of forethought.

[@minorking1121]

Yeah I mean even if none of the The Elite actually said a word to anyone about it you know Punk would still have had this bubbling anger inside him just because he knows that they are friends with Colt and would know they don't like him. He's so ready to be pissed at people. Anyone he saw laugh at one of Colt's jokes backstage he'd make his enemy.

[@stoozdee]

@@mastermoose8390 except for the part when they say no side is blameless.

[@michaelfarrow5817]

This was inevitable because CM Punk has always been a complete cunt. Genuinely, it goes back years. It might be a personality disorder but he's only nice when he has to be or when you're paying for his autograph. This can't be fixed by making everybody sit down. A decision has to be made and the obvious one is to get the strap off Punk and get him off TV by 2023.

[@JustinTheGreat]

@Crazy Eights perfect theme for his lack of an AEW run.

[@djzigg3284]

Dave can't be this delusional. He knows exactly who he was talking about.

[@jthom0027]

Dave carries water for the Bucks so he will continue to work as their PR firm until they leave

[@BainesMkII]

Dave has long ignored things he doesn't want to acknowledge, unless you pin him down and force it. Just listen to, well, most of the Bryan and Dave clips available on KZbin...

[@jesuszamora6949]

Dave is cheerleading the Bucks and Omega. Not even AEW - those guys. If Tony came to his senses and booted those twits, Dave would ride him twice as hard as Jim.

[@DoozieDoodle]

@@jesuszamora6949 Dude AEW is not firing the Bucks and especially not Kenny, Kenny has nothing to do with this but also these are top talents of the company you're talking about.

[@jesuszamora6949]

@@DoozieDoodle And that is the demise of AEW. But the point stands - Dave's a fan of those three, not AEW.

[@ltothemagain]

“You don’t try to middle your top baby face”. These stupid guys think we are in Reseda”. Dave Meltzer: Punk can’t possibly be talking about the Young Bucks.

[@nfortin24]

I mean... Punk DID say "If you have a problem with me come to me"... perhaps the Bucks just said "Okay, we will"?

[@bileductable]

Yah and then they slapped their thighs loudly in disapproval

[@phoenixmodellingphotography]

@@bileductable Shades of Scott Hall's working kicks in shoot fights lmao

[@badaboom2321]

My 9 year old cousin can beat the shit out of both bucks with one hand

[@Matt-cr4vv]

If they did walk up to him after it I would have a lot more respect for them.

[@srirams2227]

@@bileductable You're talking about AEW, they can slap their thighs all they want and you pay money to watch them so they are doing a pretty good job, shoot or not.

[@ilovehotbbq5307]

I'm not even sure wtf is a work or a shoot anymore. Goddamn if it ain't fascinating regardless

[@drobinson-uo7ic]

Yep bottom line is it's got everybody talking.

[@dngn4774]

There's no way Meltzer, Alvarez, Tony Khan, The Bucks, Omega, and Page could ever make a work this convincing. None of them have that level of restraint.

[@nwo2cool]

If it's was real, TK would've fired Ace Steel and probably suspended Punk. I don't think TK have the guts to fired Punk. Steel should be breaking up the fight, not joining the fight.

[@jordank5328]

I wonder if the Bucks throw superkicks when they're fighting behind the scenes

[@Christopher-dd1ph]

🤣😂🤣😂🤣

[@MainEventDul]

I think they slap their thighs when they do it too 🤔🤔

[@mprice6683]

The Young Bucks and Kenny Omega will have CM Punk fighting Haku in a street fight next week, biting encouraged.

[@nwo2cool]

I heard Punk and Ace Steel went Double Dragon on the Bucks and Omega.

[@mr.estadity4562]

Tony Khan should ask Eric Bischoff what happens when you let talent do whatever they want and act however they want. Look at what happened to WCW. If Tony Khan doesn't take control, things are not going to end well for AEW.

[@turtlehead2]

So he can manage an NFL locker room but not a fake fighting one? 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@jeepernj99]

When has Tony managed an NFL locker room? 💁‍♂️

[@baileybadass2235]

@@turtlehead2 he doesn’t manage the jaguars locker room though

[@abdulmueed5819]

tony is a little child playing GM mode on a knockoff version of a WWE 2k game. Just watch him during punk's interview. He just sat there and let punk air the proverbial dirty laundry in front of the whole world. And you could tell that punk knew full well that whatever he chose to say, tony would not step in and shut him up or at least redirect the questions/conversation. This is why he should just do what he does with his American Football and REAL football teams and let people who know what the hell they're doing and can actually command the respect of the locker room handle things. Grow up Tony! Stop playing at being a boss and just hire a damn booker and talent relations guy.

[@JakeK3339]

@@turtlehead2 IDK what info you got but Tony doesn't have shit to do with the Jags locker room and if he does... The Jags literally just had the most locker room issues last year with Urban Meyer as HC - he literally kicked a player and called out racial derogatory terms to others, the Jags players said they never felt like a team all of last season - So if you're giving him credit for that, you sound uninformed.

[@vladdebrancovan7011]

it was really clear who CM Punk was really mad at... this is the most dishonest response ever to what actually happened... he looked both of you right in the eyes and you said nothing... you both had a moment that every reporter or journalist dreams of and you both did nothing.

[@JM-fr5ge]

They’re scared of not being invited back by Khan

[@jonjohnson1978.]

It's because they've no journalistic integrity...any other sport field the journalist would press for more

[@vladdebrancovan7011]

@@jonjohnson1978. that what I mean by an opportunity that every reporter or journalist wait for… any real one would press CM Punk with more question and to elaborate or clarify what he meant… they said more after the fact and preferred hearsay over actually doing their jobs … anyone having any sympathy for them obviously has no envy to actually look at the readily available footage… they are without a doubt dirtsheets.

[@vladdebrancovan7011]

@@PanelVulture speaking under your breath is not standing your ground … if it was so false he would have yelled it out instead of being as vocal As a church mouse.

[@ResistingDeath]

Being a "nice" owner in this business doesn't work. Otherwise people will take advantage of your kindness. Now we know why Vince was hated so much. He was hated, but he also commanded respect.

[@InternetSlumlord]

Vince was the nicest boss. What other boss would pay off cops to keep you out of prison for murder and turn a blind eye to molesting ring boys?

[@mervstash3692]

100% just like any good boss would do. You're there to make money, not friends.

[@doddsino]

You can be a nice boss, but you can also be a fair boss. Typically people hate their boss when their boss holds them accountable to their work. Yes, there are bad bosses, who are jerks for petty reasons, but in most cases those people don't last in those positions long.

[@doddsino]

@@mervstash3692 Agreed 100% Just like what I would tell my employees; It's good for the customer. It's good for the company. It's good for you.

[@The_OneManCrowd]

@@mervstash3692 Well said.

[@BWalker9313]

Funny how Meltzer will openly bash Cornette for his comments about the Reseda guys but when Punk sits right in front of Dave and bashes them, Dave had NOTHING to say.

[@Ultra_Light_Beam]

Listen to the spin in this conversation. It’s fascinating to hear these two ack like they weren’t shit stirring. When the “journalists“ become part of the story, you ain’t doing the job right.

[@steviemacc2745]

Oh the SPIN IS IN FULL EFFECT!!!💯🤣

[@saief3213]

nah, punk is an egotistical prick. If you aren't on his side he'll be pissed at you.

[@natew1639]

All Friends Wrestling wasn't a bad thing, he said.

[@jamesmiller5331]

These two are the biggest jokes and "wrestling journalism" and that's saying a *lot* LOL My absolute favorite part of the scrum was Punk calling out Alvarez "you mad at me?" I would say that I wished I could have seen Alvarez face at that moment but I already know what it was, sitting back with that smug smile on his face trying to pretend he's a journalist when he's nothing but a cheerleader, a rumor mongerer, and the mouthpiece for the worst elements of aew as a company.

[@saief3213]

@@jamesmiller5331 Alvarez would kill punk in a shoot fight lol considering his jiu jitsu background, but so would half the AEW locker room in all fairness

[@naturalbornthriller9025]

EVPs that couldn’t manage a Target is what he said, and yes it was in reference to the Bucks.

[@Christopher-dd1ph]

i love the bucks, but when they were running their own storylines it was literal trash. so yea that statement is literally true.

[@heltongomez8865]

@@Christopher-dd1ph When was that? what storylines were trash? I'm just curious that's all

[@ziamarie]

Did the bucks work at Target at some point? I only ask because i remember Brit Baker always bringing up when Tony Schiavone used to work at Starbucks lol

[@John_Souls]

WCW Speedrun by Tony Khan (World Record, Glitchless)

[@CustosCustodum]

Glitchless - how come the lights keeping going out all the time then?

[@donkeysaurusrex7881]

@@CustosCustodum Get back to us when Tony Khan stares at a wall for 13 seconds and sis immediately teleported to bankruptcy court.

[@charlottemarsh2202]

...

[@geneparmesan8108]

I fucking love this. @SummoningSalt

[@Reedinho]

I can never clown my wife for watching her reality drama, because this is some TEA!

[@mprice6683]

The Real Housewives of CM PUNK's AEW.

[@JohnnyFive1991]

Tony literally checked his phone before Jericho got to the scrum

[@CardShopReality]

Exactly, several other KZbin posters missed that.

[@wuztron]

As a fan of everyone involved in this mess, I find it all highly entertaining. It's like I'm back in my early twenties working back-of-house at Red Robin.

[@floorboss]

Ya mean the Kitchen? "Back-of-house" ..

[@wuztron]

@@floorboss The kitchen is included in BOH for sure. But there's a lot more that goes on in a restaurant than just cooking food.

[@brysoncherry9884]

@@floorboss Says the guy with the name floor boss. Irony much?

[@floorboss]

@@brysoncherry9884 Somebody really uncreative sounds jealous. Hmmm.

[@floorboss]

@@wuztron I aint talking about food. Or where it's cooked. "The Kitchen" refers to in-house workers only area.

[@TheLaidBackDrummer]

Dave, you always go on tangents 🤣 And once Punk hates you, it lasts forever. Just so you know Alvarez.

[@NickWolfOakland]

Wanna know a surefire way of proving you’re either young and/or didn’t actually watch WCW back in the day? - Keep saying, “This is just like 1999-2000 era WCW.” No, it isn’t.

[@bls8959]

Sounds like it is backstage maybe worse

[@shaytanszenith887]

BLS, You have no idea what you are talking about.

[@Martijn_Steinpatz]

Indeed, just read Death of WCW and come back to us

[@davisbowe8668]

For real. Literally everyone on r/SquaredCirlce last night were like "tHiS iS jUSt LiKe 2000s wCw". Like, no it wasn't, stfu.

[@PhinneusPrune]

In 1999 - 2000 era WCW. There was politicking in the back. Nash was made Booker. He put his guys over. Then Vince Russo came in and blurred the lines. He had his younger talent he wanted over. So he pushed guys like Billy Kidman, Jeff Jarrett, Vampiro etc ... but the guys in the back were happy to see Hogan, Sting, Hall and Nash on the card even though they never got opportunities to be at the top of the card. Why? Even the buried talent knew and respected the fact the Hogan's and the Nash's and the Stings drew money. And when these PPVs sell out. It meant more money in their pockets. It seems the AEW talent don't respect those who came before that are there to draw the crowds and viewers that in the end make them money. They think they are the draw when in reality ... they are not. Proof being the ratings drops while Punk was out nursing his foot.

[@ourladyofguadalupebotanica6732]

When wrestling gets real - the best times.

[@dood32432]

Decent report but Dave completely whiffed on the "guys don't want to listen to me" bit. He (Punk) referred specifically to Hangman doing an outside interview where he said he "doesn't listen to advice". He also referred to the "backstage wisdom", mentioning Dean Malenko and Jerry Lynn and said he like (sarcastically) to see Hangman tell Terry Funk "I don't need to listen to you."

[@eiephants]

This. ^

[@RedDawnRocker]

It's not just Page, if you listen to past interviews you hear the same idiocy from Omega (especially concerning Harley Race). I can't speak 100% on the Bucks but back during their "Generation Me" days in TNA I kind of recall seeing ioutside nterviews with them saying the same. If their attitude is the same these days it's easy to see someone who does, in fact, have a sense of tradition like Punk or FTR have problems with them.

[@jesuszamora6949]

Expecting Dave not to twist things to make Omega and the bucks look good is like expecting Fox News not to be Republican propaganda. The possibility is non-existent.

[@joshkiepper7102]

U read way to much into relax kid

[@drobinson-uo7ic]

Punk wasn't just burying guys, he was taking up for the veterans in the back and how they should be listened to. He was burying some guys while standing up for others.

[@thegent8916]

I'll tell you who suffered most from Phil's tirade, and it's MJF. His return was eclipsed by what occurred after the event.

[@KC-vx5wo]

payback for mjf overshadowing wardlow's big moment months ago. mjf/punk are tru pro wrestlers.

[@brysoncherry9884]

@@KC-vx5wo Just like punks win was eclipsed? Pick and choose to suit yourself.

[@wrestlingp]

MJF is that hard working guy with a top ethic who will never get a look in against those shithouses at the top. It's the "Elite's" company, their name on the brand and they'll damn well suffocate it if they please.

[@TheAc550]

Punk had all the dirt sheets in attendance at the scrum shook. Well deserved, hope this happens more often. Pull a wedgie on all of them one by one for stirring bs.

[@shaytanszenith887]

Wrestling journalism is a plague, My friend. I was gonna stop watching wrestling so many times because of the dirt sheets moving the fans like puppets.

[@donnymoney4222]

@@shaytanszenith887 its weird i like reading them but i absolutely hate HATE HATE their effect on booking... they fucked over rybacks push with their crap

[@TheJSexton24]

It’s like they have their own little world and live in a fake reality like if the Observer said it’s truth these puppets repeat these opinions as they’re facts and it’s mind numbing like these nerds bury legends like Nash and Sid Vicious but praise Omega and “Work Rate Wrestlers”

[@sudduthm2]

Kinda funny to see people decrying wrestling "dirt sheets" as the scourge of the industry on....a wrestling dirt sheet KZbin channel. Punk is pretty clearly stirring shit in the locker room that some people do not like, and we've all been hanging on every new detail for the last half a day. So maybe the the dirt sheets aren't as bad as you think they are

[@TheJSexton24]

@@sudduthm2 oh stop it yet it’s ok for the observer fans to shit on WWE all day everyday but they continue to watch and click on videos about WWE and spew constant negativity about a company they hate so much they can’t stop watching

[@hypnotics7886]

Someone should probably remind Dave that the ‘All Friends Wrestling’ tag is a pejorative. The tag was due to the EVP’s hiring their friends rather than the best people for the promotion when it started out.

[@redtube8667]

It's genuinely funny when people pull shit out of their ass to bash successful people

[@billywashere6965]

Sure, at least there wasn't armageddon in the locker room, though.

[@TheUrban1]

1 year on and it only gets better 🤣

[@Y2Jared]

The comment that bothered me personally the most is how some young talent are not sitting down and listening to some of the best minds wrestling has to offer. If you don’t wanna learn and you aren’t getting better, they should be let go.

[@TerrelLism]

I know somewhere Hangman said he's the type to like to fail so he can truly learn from mistakes and get better. Bryan and Regal were hosting in ring lessons before he got hurt. Jade and Velvet took park and Jade saw some improvement. I think what Hangman said was a little blown up. But Regal and Bryan made it a point to say there ring practices are open to whoever wants to be there at 11am at the arena. No phones. old school. SOME show up.

[@saief3213]

Didn’t he say it was just hangman not talking advice?

[@strider4]

It was that dumbass Hagman. Pretty sure the part about MJF was a work but I can't be certain anymore

[@NOTORIOUSGUN1]

@@TerrelLism here’s the issue with that. You only take in so much of your mistakes other mistakes will go unchecked. You need those great minds. You need the advice they’ll give you so you can grow and become a better version of yourself. That’s what Adam fails to understand.

[@pamelqtaylor8335]

This is why I scratched my head at people like William regal leaving WwE ( to go to aew) the man is a walking encyclopedia of knowledge on what to do/ not to do (along with mark Henry, Paul wright, sting,Chris jericho all of who worked at wcw) and in this current situation would be willing to circle the wagon around tony and offer good advice which is needed right now

[@Vegaman2024]

This is very simple. The EVP’s and Hangman were the focus of AEW and now they are not. The WWE signings (not just Punk) have stolen their thunder and they are upset.

[@kyril98741]

The problem is Punk throwing name without providing a proof just like the rumor of him making Colt Cabana lose his job. He was the ones that start talking about it publicly and now he doing the same to the evp. The way I see it, punk when heel and targeted the evp and AEW hardcore fan that has good memories about PWG. I feel like he was piss at Omega promo the first night that said aew will continue to provide match of every variety and said aew is not for tribute match.

[@Thurmanatr16]

Yep, finally someone nailed the exact issue. Tony created a problem with his expensive new toys versus his cheaper old ones.

[@8thaccount535]

FTR has totally outperformed the Bucks.

[@guslima1130]

How they are upset?? Why?? Punk is literally swinging jabs in the air like the drunk uncle at christmas trying to ruin everyone's party by his own. All this situation started out of a microscopical issue that he turned into complete chaos by himself. If this is not a work, he's just a complete manchild with his head tucked up his ass.

[@aspectra]

The same thing happened in WCW, where they held back young talent for too long. The Bucks and Omega also aren't much younger than Hogan/Hall/Nash at the point their joined WCW. By the time they started pushing younger talent like Benoit and Booker T to the main card, it was already too late. It's not late for AEW, but this is definitely a teaching moment. The Bucks have been reluctant to let FTR go over, even though they are having their best year on record. There are also plenty of younger up and comers like MJF who look like promising main eventers. AEW has the recipe for success, they just need to not be their own worst enemies.

[@MDPDisBoy]

So he was mad bc y’all was reporting that he got Cobana fired or reassigned elsewhere. So now y’all come and report that he may try to get the Young Bucks fired 😂😅 instigation at its finest

[@jthom0027]

All while the Bucks and Omega are doing their best to sully Punk's name and possibly get him fired. These stories and the way they are reported on are examples of why our media is fucking horrible. It was so obvious that the "elite" were the ones leaking the stories about Punk wanting to leave a few weeks ago yet I don't see them getting criticized like Punk is. The 'elite' are bigger locker room cancers than Punk could ever be.

[@MidnightPodcast]

It started with Cody. It's all starting to really become apparent now.

[@aaronlauretani8921]

Some people thought Cody was a fool to leave. Now, he's probably going to become a world champ over there while AEW's stars eat each other.

[@rameenakb]

I really wonder what happened between Cody and the Elite even more now.

[@gregthegroove]

Bro…I wish I could find what I wrote when Cody left. I said what if Cody knows backstage stuff we don’t know that will come out eventually? Can you believe this?

[@coke8045]

@@rameenakb It's an interesting dynamic. Cody is far too professional to cause conflict so the whole situation was radio silence. Punk isn't afraid of conflict however, and it's all combusting in a very major way. I like the Elite as wrestlers, but it appears to me them as powerful people in the company politically is a recipe for disaster.

[@ResistingDeath]

@@gregthegroove Thank you Captain Obvious.

[@perry4799]

I really dug Jaime Hayter tonight and was happy to see the crowd give her the respect she deserves. The tag titles match was really great too. It's a shame nobodies talking about that and instead the company wants to highlight Punk and his never-ending BS over "that young talent".

[@TheRealRollerCodster]

Dude! Best comment here! Simple, and correct. I knew once punk came in he was gonna take all the spots that the guys who have been working their asses off deserve. I just hope MJF finally takes the title away from him for good. Old man needs to let the real talent shine. He should have never beaten hangman. It should have been MJF.

[@colinkillian9265]

Nobody cares about the women wrestlers.. They're just used to keep up with the diversity demands..

[@herringstheseries]

Punk was asked questions. He answered.

[@ItsWhizi]

@@colinkillian9265 only in aew. Pretending The Man character wasn’t the most popular thing in wwe for a long while is just disingenuous

[@TerrelLism]

Some1 DID leak that CM Punk got Colt Cabana reassigned to ROH and Tony Khan had to say that wasn't the case. So who leaked that lie? The wrestling media picked it up and ran with it. Cornette has been cooking The Elite for years but yall are mad at Punk? There's two sides to every story. Hobbs got the win a lot of people wanted at All Out. Hobbs was one of the first people Punk worked with and he praised Punk for his assistance and advice backstage. Both sides have there supporters, but I see many interviews with talent praising TK and other vets backstage and it's never The Elite! One things for sure, controversy creates cash and people will tune in like they did they past two weeks.

[@jedsithor]

@The Baddestman Punk says it's not the case and Khan says it's not the case. Whether or not you believe them is up to you but let's take Punk out of the equation for a moment. Was Cabana actually doing anything of note in AEW? No. He wasn't in line for any kind of big push even before Punk got there. So purely from the point of view of managing rosters it makes absolute sense to move him to ROH.

[@JakeK3339]

To your point about talent praising TK and other vets - I notice the same thing - I do believe there's a side of the AEW locker room that sees "The Elite" guys merely as jackoffs who only help themselves and their friends & then I think there's another side of the AEW locker room that is pissed off or jealous that ex-WWE guys are getting both more TV time or more pay. The rest of the locker room is indifferent and just does their job. But I see that as two major sides colliding moving forward.

[@herringstheseries]

If you want to see how much love The Elite get, all you gotta do is watch current episodes of BTE and see how many AEW wrestlers outside a select few, no longer appear on that show.

[@XainEisenhart]

Bryan and Dave are friends with the Bucks, so of course they're gonna pin everything 100% on the Punk just like the Bucks, I mean their super secret sources in AEW, tell them.

[@hectic105]

The first stories to do with Cabana also said that it was the Young Bucks who supposedly “saved” Cabanas career…

[@DisasterMaggot]

The drama backstage entertaining people more than the product is an awful sign. TK looks weak right now, questionable leadership is not exactly going to get advertisers excited.

[@youngbreezy5859]

"The Backstage Drama" is being use to capture everyone's attention. And it's clearly working 🤣

[@macgruberyahfrigginturds7044]

@@youngbreezy5859 this is the dumbest logic from any mark ever.......

[@williamfurdyn5334]

@@youngbreezy5859 yeah but if the drama is real it could hurt AEW more as a whole

[@allforgreatness9883]

@@youngbreezy5859 yeah there is no payoff for this stupid shit tony looks soft and punk is a cancer everywhere he has been.

[@michaelbacon4746]

Omg Dave is a joke...... Lost his tongue at the scrum and then defends the young bucks when Nick's name was 100% said

[@m8datmoney837]

He's on AEW payroll

[@srirams2227]

He said Nick, not Nick Jackson. It's hard for you to realise but there could be 2 Nicks in the 2nd biggest wrestling company in the world.

[@rriggs6547]

@@srirams2227 Comarato?

[@michaelbacon4746]

@@srirams2227 how many other evp's are called Nick? Yeah none so STFU

[@caligulalauren9071]

You guys are tight roping between being mark journalists and biased instigators

[@m8datmoney837]

Because they work for AEW

[@drobinson-uo7ic]

@@m8datmoney837 yeah, they have interviewed Tony Khan several times it's clear they are biased shills for AEW.

[@notgonnapay]

@@m8datmoney837 you mean they work for the Young Bucks.

[@IzinTheBzin]

What did they say wrong, idiot

[@m8datmoney837]

@@notgonnapay lol same shit different name

[@herringstheseries]

Remember when everyone was talking about Seth and Riddle’s shoot promo? Not anymore.

[@MrTeamGuy]

Not really, when was that?

[@animedrawer69]

He was talking about Hangman who went on record and said he didn't need to listen to older wrestlers advice.

[@MachtPlays]

Tbh he doesn’t need to. I’m sure he still would depending on who says it.

[@herringstheseries]

@@MachtPlays It was Jim Ross, Billy Gunn and Arn.

[@chernobylhobo7793]

What these older guys don't understand is that maybe all their advice isn't actually worth listening to. Wrestling is a constantly evolving artform. Sure there are plenty of things to learn from previous generations of artists, but you also have to be willing to throw some of that away and embrace what you're ready to offer. Sometimes these older guys give out of touch advice and the younger dudes don't take it. Just look at how JR tried to convince TK that Orange Cassidy wasn't going to work. Then he went on to become one of their most over wrestlers and biggest merch movers. Being experienced doesn't mean you always know what's best.

[@bryanthornton5533]

It’s a narrow minded point of view to disregard the advice of the people who toured 345 days a year multiple times a week by a rental car getting paid shit- these guys did that so the next generation had an easier time. These guys are irreplaceable and have forgotten more about wrestling than these EVP cunts have ever known.

[@3DBrawlChannel]

@@chernobylhobo7793 I stopped reading the moment I saw the word "artform." Some Kenny Omega ballet school stuff right there

[@georgebeamer]

They really need a PPV called "Civil War"

[@billywashere6965]

Punk and his gang versus the Elite?

[@CannedHam2479]

Punk also said that MJF is very talented during the scrum. He was clearly working when he called MJF a pr*ck

[@nox7282]

He can be both. The terms aren’t mutually exclusive.

[@CannedHam2479]

@@nox7282 Punk wouldnt be putting over MJFs talent if he legit thinks MJF is a pr*ck..When Punk is upset with someone, those two terms ARE mutually exclusive...Notice how he didnt put over Adam Pages or the Young Bucks talent?

[@markrobinson9394]

@@nox7282 Regardless, Punk wouldn’t be working with MJF in a 5-month program if he didn’t enjoy working with him.

[@chriskay1449]

LOL another delusional mark trying to claim it is a work.

[@marcot9289]

This isn't Punk's fault, he only reacted, Hangman started when he cut that unnecessary promo on put. If the EVP's did or didn't something about it I don't know.

[@deedeethedog05]

I rewatched that hangman promo recently and dude, you have to want that to be referencing Cabana to get that out of it. It's a serious reach

[@Skipee]

punk is a goddamn child and should solve this stuff behind closed doors.

[@ripum853]

​@@deedeethedog05 exactly, it's intentionally vague, and wasn't going to cost any money unless Punk would've let it, which would've been on him and nit Page.

[@marcot9289]

@@deedeethedog05 Cabana wasn't appearing on TV, Dark Order wasn't getting TV time, Angels contract wasn't renewed. All that happend people blamed Punk for that and Hang cut that promo. Us fans, didn't knew he was referring to Colt, but the backstage knew and people started to talk about

[@deedeethedog05]

@@marcot9289 like I said, that's a serious reach. You're reaching and punk is reaching.

[@TheDarknight3x]

The older you get, the more you understand why some bosses are rough around the edges, not looking for friends, and don't take any nonsense. People start to take advantage of your friendliness and will ruin your entire company just to feed their ego.

[@joker-sh5hv]

Really disappointed in punk, but TK needs to make a stand here.

[@dangerousdays2052]

@@joker-sh5hv TK is a mark like MJF said.

[@dangerousdays2052]

@@woiku NO one cares about CM Karen. He's universally hated. He's backstage cancer and is the reason AEW can't beat Raw in the ratings anymore. Ponk's simps are just as bad, look in the mirror.

[@dangerousdays2052]

@@woiku Not true. AEW didn't beat WWE in the ratings even once after Ponk was hired, lol. The ratings are down, the buy rates are down, and the TV deal is in big trouble. You're not even a real wrestling fan, just a Ponk fanboy. AEW is dying, lol.

[@silxix2599]

@@joker-sh5hv Punk been through so much shit cause of Colt Cabana, that he didn't want more shit. Colt is a dirt sheet wrestler. Punk went out to explain the why of his differences with Hangman. And Punk didn't like that EVPs sided with Hangman or Colt or both to some extent unknown...

[@apjapki]

CM Punk: The kids won't listen to me about how to turn controversy into business. Also CM Punk: If you mention Colt Cabana I will fight you then refuse to work with you.

[@hectic105]

Who is he refusing to work with? Cabana? Because that’s more than just controversy. Besides that, this is all a perfect example of using controversy to garner interest so far.

[@apjapki]

@@hectic105 Nobody asked him to work with Cabana. He went off script to challenge Hangman on tv (to make him look like a coward when he wasn't scheduled to come out) but the speculation is he won't work Hangman to make good on what he said on TV (He pretty much said that on the show, while off script).

[@apjapki]

@@hectic105 Smarks who were going to watch anyway read about press conferences. Nothing from a press scrum affects buy rates.

[@manojvangala2109]

if Page had spoken to him and had explained what he might be doing, he might have been cool with it (or maybe not). Going off-script is where he got pissed cause it completely swerved the angle in a way that didn't make any sense other than to the super hardcores who know about the drama.

[@apjapki]

@@manojvangala2109 While I think most people have heard of Punk & Colt from the Pipe Bomb, I don't entirely disagree with what you said. Would have been better if Hangman did as you said. With that said, Wrestlers have referenced taboo subjects in promos since wrestling has been a thing and can say sorry and make amends or get punished. What Punk did would get pretty much anyone else fired. It's unheard of. It's WCW stuff.

[@TerrySilverhand]

This kind of really makes me kind of in awe at how Vince was able to build the WWE to what it has become because Tony Khan is now finding out how hard it is to build a business and deal with all these egos and philosophies

[@shivajones108]

He's dealt with NFL football players. Same difference

[@johnm140]

Tony is also a weak spaced out dork so it's not surprising. You can't run a business trying to be friends with all the wrestlers.

[@ResistingDeath]

@@shivajones108 You don't know to what extend and to what success he has dealt with that.

[@rriggs6547]

Interesting how there were some issues over booking and place on the card but nothing in the locker room until Punk showed up. Tony handled lots of egos just fine in soccer, football, and wrestling. Punk just happens to be a toxic jerk. The sooner he is cut the sooner the company can heal and then grow again.

[@TheFinishedArticle]

@@rriggs6547 The coaches handle the players in football not the son of the owner.

[@myfavedits71]

Cody was so smart leaving the company

[@terryalan4590]

He also didn’t get along with the evp’s, get it yet?

[@TheCheat420]

"There was a melee." Oh so everybody made up and played Smash Bros together. That's great!

[@Jackaljkljkl]

Punk was Fox and the Bucks played Pichu

[@xYourHero27x]

There's reports that Brian and Dave pissed themselves when Punk spoke to them.

[@ResistingDeath]

I can vouch for these reports. Multiple sources can confirm.

[@Jack91790]

They always smell like that.

[@aerialpenn8849]

@@Jack91790 I agree. The smell comes with old age.

[@ShahPhilLeotardo]

I bet Dave was mad having to sit in front of Punk and listen to him dissing his boyfriends.🤣

[@naseefzarif1576]

It's proof that how important Cody was for AEW. He was one of the founders and always behaved professionally and with his departure, AEW is becoming more toxic backstage. I wonder what happened between Cody and The Elite.

[@rriggs6547]

Cody and the Elite have both said they are still friends and are on good terms. The unprofessionalism only started once Punk showed up.

[@RavenGlenn]

@@rriggs6547 And yet all the dirt sheets were talking about a sizable rift between Cody and The Elite.

[@jedsithor]

@@rriggs6547 But it wasn't Punk who started being unprofessional. It started with Hangman and then Punk did his promo receipt and then the Bucks talked shit and finally Punk exploded at the scrum. Should he have? Probably not. But Punk is always going to speak his mind.

[@andrewmachado6988]

I think maybe it’s possible Cody saw all this stuff happening around him and decided to jump ship before the shit hit the fan.

[@mode_7]

I like Page, but I hold the EVP’s responsible for Cody leaving and now they’ve turned to Punk. Time for them to go back to being regular wrestlers.

[@CBiddy2001]

Tony did have his phone on him. He texted Jericho prior to him coming out.

[@anasshahid224]

This CM Punk, the Elite issue is getting heated big time 👏👏👏🔥

[@robertcrist5747]

No wonder REAL FAN'S Listen to Cornette?

[@vrixmorr]

Damn when Punk returned I doubted if it was too late for him. If he could make me care about wrestling again. All my doubts got cleared today. He wrestled a great match and then some

[@jasonh.2439]

TK has to remind people he's the boss and stop letting his employees walk all over him.

[@OllieByGolly]

That's exactly what Punk was trying to get him to do. If you payed attention to what he said, Punk wants Tony and AEW to succeed. The EVPs want their comedy acrobat buddies to succeed (putting them over, of course).

[@rriggs6547]

@@OllieByGolly My take is Tony should fire Punk for his unprofessional attitude and causing a toxic work environment. He may be a huge draw, but if the place goes to crap because of him it isn't worth it.

[@jasonh.2439]

@@OllieByGolly It's not Punk's job to teach TK how to run a company. TK is a grown ass man and the guy that writes the checks, he should be checking Punk for airing all this dirty laundry and making sure this doesn't continue.

[@jonjohnson1978.]

@@jasonh.2439 he shoud of checked hangman and made it clear he was out of line, page had his say now punk has, irony being punk was mad at them for going to the dirtsheets n they go right back after the bucks punk confrontation post presser 🤣

[@chriskay1449]

@@jasonh.2439 But Tony doesn't care. Tony may look like a grown ass man, but he is still a child because he has never had to do anything for himself as daddy did everything for him. He is a mark that wants to be buddies with the talent then find cameras to tell the world how great he is. He has no clue how to run a business or act like an adult.

[@mikem.7921]

Tony Khan is getting walked on walked over and made to look like a jabroni

[@goodolbrad3]

He legit sat there and did nothing while Punk buried the whole company.

[@dngn4774]

@@goodolbrad3 No, he made it very clear he had specific issues with one kliq in particular. Not the whole company.

[@kennythetrend3688]

I think Punk is more old school which is why there is so much friction with him and certain people at AEW backstage. I'm currently training as a wrestler, and while I haven't seen any backstage altercations, I have met wrestlers who have different mentalities of how wrestling works. For example, Acid Jaz was trained at Windy City Wrestling, same place CM Punk was trained. He is WAY more stiff in the ring than any other wrestler I've met in the ring so far. Some people like getting chopped like me, others will threaten to punch you in the face if you even ATTEMPT a chop.

[@Christopher-dd1ph]

its almost like DIFFERENT PEOPLE DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY. thats not a wrestling thing or an "old school" thing bud.

[@SkipMDMan]

Get rid of the Bucks, they offer nothing in the way of possibly increasing the AEW audience. Punk told the truth and unless they ganged up on him he wouldn't have any issue taking out any Buck at any time.

[@nielgregory108]

Yeah, they only STARTED the whole thing. They are not important. WOW!!!

[@abdullahmirsinge3908]

So apparently CM Punk is being the New Hulk Hogan

[@8thaccount535]

Yeah, he's popular and draws money.

[@stacymirba1433]

Tony Khan looked absolutely absurd sitting there doing nothing. Looked nothing like a leader and instead just a complete joke. It was embarrassing to witness the owner of the company sit like a child in fear. I think it was Bruce Prichard who said it best, "he's your problem now." What's sad is, Tony Khan was warned this would happen. People have known for years that this guy is a complete asshole. All I could think of was Cody Rhodes being frustrated that he couldn't get "Punk money" and now he's gone and boy does he look like the smart one now.

[@drobinson-uo7ic]

Punk is their biggest star. Period. Omega and the Bucks' EVP title doesn't give them any clout over him, they've never worked at his level.

[@rriggs6547]

And if you biggest star causes issues with most of the rest of the coworkers, then you get rid of him/her. Punk isn't worth the trouble and will do more harm than good in the long run.

[@RavenGlenn]

@@rriggs6547 The Elite and their buddies aren't "most of the rest" of the roster.

[@scoodaninee_9925]

Bruh punk being theyre biggest star ain’t saying much 😭 y’all be saying that like he Cena or the rock or sum ask you’re neighbors if they know punk and see what they say

[@voxextremos22]

Punk was right about everything

[@chrisradzion2148]

I tend to agree with the view guys like Cornette have had- from the start of this company, Omega and the Bucks have had their distinct vision for the company. It’s a fairly narrow one that only allows for limited growth, and has relied heavily on a stale WWE product. When they decided to grow, bring in new talent, Omega and the Bucks weren’t exactly on board; Cody Rhodes was, and it was after they brought in a lot of big names that Cody left. I used to think Cody was against what they had been doing, and that’s why he left… until he went to WWE. Now I suspect Cody was in support of the expansion, and when he saw the early backstage pushback by “The Elite”, it played a big part in him jumping ship. His vision was just different from the others, and he didn’t want to be involved, especially in a managerial role because he saw the writing on the wall. And now, notice how after he left, things have broken down; I think Cody did a lot more behind the scenes, booking and handling talent than we knew.

[@theboykent]

i died when he said he went over there just to say “hi” 💀⚰️

[@Shisui5752]

Complete bullshit! 😂

[@vortex_1336]

Tony Khan really needs to crack down on that roster. Like he just let's them walk all over him.

[@forgottenmma3694]

Swerve and Punk.

[@Christopher-dd1ph]

da fuck is he gonna do lmfao. he's a fucking MARK. he LITERALLY does not possess the balls to do something. all he could do is pay them more money if they promise to play nice. thats his only hope.

[@horrorstew3577]

You had it comin Bryan 😂

[@PhinneusPrune]

Here is the gist of it. CM Punk is angry because a story got out he got Colt Cabana pushed off the roster into ROH. He blames the leaks on Adam Page and the Young Bucks. I believe he had nothing to do with it. Colt Cabana wasn't used much before Punk came in. Why? He isn't a major star. He is an Indie darling who was made for indie shows in high school gyms. He is a dark match type of guy. That has nothing to do with CM Punk. It is entirely Colt Cabana's doing. As for the Young Bucks as EVPs. They need to go. Their interests are their own and for their friends. Not for the betterment of AEW. Tony Kahn should have realized this when Cody Rhodes jumped ship. If the Young Bucks want to leave if they get demoted. Let them go. They still have the best tag team in Wrestling with FTR. The very team the Young Bucks seem hell bent on burying in my opinion.

[@turboturkey]

amen fuck the bucks

[@VIRAX200394]

I can see that after Cody Rhodes left, backstage has been really "convoluted" in AEW. Maybe he was the guy who controlled the waters in the company. Tony needs a guy like Cody in backstage to improve work environment.

[@thesinnombre615]

He did and you can clearly see it.

[@NL-fg6it]

He was always a professional and put people over at the right time… unlike the Bucks

[@CannedHam2479]

Cody controlled NADA. He bailed because Tony started stripping EVPs of their power in Oct 2021

[@duckmercy11]

No, Cody was isolated and stayed on his luxury bus w/ Brandi.

[@chriskay1449]

@@duckmercy11 Wrong. It was well known that Cody was the one that would soothe egos when disagreements happened,

[@NorthBourne]

😂😂😂 Funny thing is punk is going to headline wm next year Aew only has mjf The day he leaves , that company is fucked

[@platinumpagoda3079]

THIS aged so poorly😂. Glass man Punk is done for.

[@SwitchbladesVideos]

Loved Punk for 15 years, I'm 36, I've been there through his best days, but the second I heard the words he said about Page who has a heart of GOLD, my heart sank and I am done with the guy.

[@pamelqtaylor8335]

Didn’t watch his initial rise at WwE but after this I am now ready for him to lose the title to MJF and leave this company. He embarrassed himself and makes me feel like a fool for throwing support behind him all these years reading his legal hijinks, and poor treatment from his previous employer

[@SwitchbladesVideos]

@@pamelqtaylor8335 I've had BAD falling outs with friends before but saying in a room full of journalists that even your worst enemy shares a bank account with his mother is LOW. But it's the Hangman stuff that got me... I'm a total AEW mark but also annoyed at TK for not doing a thing to defend anyone, no other large promoter would have sat there and looked small time beside talent like that, disappointed by both, Punk can go back to obscurity with his dog.

[@pamelqtaylor8335]

@@SwitchbladesVideos agreed.

[@thewindozer]

Thanks for telling me you're a weak sjw like hangman LOL man you guys are pathetic you want to be a cowboy go watch Clint Eastwood movies that's a real man not what you see in today

[@_.El._]

3 things may happen 1.) Situation gets fixed 2) CM Punk walks out 3.) Omega and Bucks walk out

[@liquidfox4743]

If tony lets omega and the bucks walk over punk, hes a fool. Punk needs aew, aew dont need punk. They were doing fine without him

[@OllieByGolly]

@@liquidfox4743 You mean like how the rantings drop like a rock whenever Punk isn't on screen? Yeah.... AEW doesn't need him at all!

[@rriggs6547]

@@OllieByGolly AEW was slowly but steadily growing before Punk and Danielson. Yes they brought in a lot of people in the short run. But I think Punk has shown that, just like in ROH and WWE, he is toxic and creates issues. Will AEW take a hit? Yes, in the short term. But I think it will make them stronger in the long run.

[@jedsithor]

@@rriggs6547 He didn't create this issue though.

[@Kratosx23]

​​@@liquidfox4743 Other way around. Uncle Phil can sit on the couch and do nothing for the rest of his life. AEW needs him badly. Kennys return lost them 200,000 viewers, lmao. Omega and the Bucks are worthless to this company, they're no names that nobody recognizes who think their antics on a small KZbin show make them as big as Brock and Roman.

[@chadwebb1345]

The scrum showed why Cody was ousted. California and Japanese politics.

[@hyperchord]

Can you elaborate on this?

[@xiaural2]

I never thought wrestling would get as crazy as it was in the attitude era again. But here we are guys

[@kaycexxx9156]

Why does no one mention that Punk said he’d never job for Hangman?

[@billywashere6965]

Shades od HBK and Bret Hart. Funny because Hangman never said that publicly about working with anyone.

[@CannedHam2479]

All Friends Wrestling has turned into All ENEMIES Wrestling. Thats the way wrestling should be

[@Shisui5752]

Are you really cheering for a toxic work environment? Wtf is wrong with you? 😐

[@srirams2227]

All Elite Wrestling. Always been AEW, never AFW LOL

[@rameenakb]

The Nick Punk mentioned was Nick Hausman, not Nick Jackson lmao Alvarez

[@seankinsellasean]

Nope it was nick dismore, the brains of the operation

[@gefnuppland4810]

Whether it's a work or not, people should not forget how pale TK is when this whole thing happened. His face is usually fairly animated, but it did something more this time.

[@bb-gc2tx]

wtf are you talking about? you take notes on tk facial expressions ? lol you smarks are weird

[@jackhughes7637]

Cm punk is the best thing that's happened to this stuck in the mud company. His match was the best match of the night and him going off on the EVPs and every journalist was gold. The guy has been working everyone for weeks. It's never ending, he's taking you all for a ride and the moment he leaves wrestling everyone is going to be bored again.

[@frederickeusebio5153]

It's not as if Kenny is coding the game. We're talking about Yukes working with THQ. They don't need Kenny to make a wrestling game.

[@mervstash3692]

lol that's why it's taking so long. He's just graduated beginner C++

[@billywashere6965]

Yeah it annoys me when people say "Kenny is developing the game", no, he's not! He's consulting with Yukes. Or "Kenny had FTR removed because he's friends with the Bucks!" that's not how that works. Yukes has to get a sign-off from the legal department that has to go through business management (which includes Tony Khan) in order to add/remove anyone from the game, whether it be to likeness issues, copyright, music, or branding. Kenny can't add or take anyone out of the game if he tried, he has ZERO power in that regard because he isn't developing anything, and has no say over the legal/copyright elements.

[@mervstash3692]

@@billywashere6965 no argument there. It is turning into a bit of a white elephant though. The 10 million budget has blown right out. Apparently it's over 80 now. Maybe wasn't the best idea to go down this path of starting their own gaming division.

[@billywashere6965]

@@mervstash3692 No, it isn't. It was never $80 million; the division caps at $10. $80 million is the entire ANNUAL revenue that AEW brings in; the game put them in the red for ONE quarter. That literally makes it mathematically impossible for them to have blown $80 million on the game (besides, no AAA company spends that much money on game development anymore unless it's Rockstar. You can't even fit $80 million expenditure into a two-year dev cycle). It's frustrating people keep regurgitating that falsehood.

[@mervstash3692]

​@@billywashere6965 think you might want to check that again mate. 10 mil was the initial investment. Might not be 80 now (like I said, "Apparently" & I also think that is probably false), but it's definitely way more than 10 as TK himself has publicly stated a few times when it's doubled, tripled etc. You have to consider that it's not the same financial model vs doing it with 2k for example. AEW has made their own gaming division from scratch, but using Yukes as the developer. It's public knowledge there are all sorts of issues between the 2 parties, loads of delays, blown out costs, as well as many undisclosed costs. There is no way all the development & distribution falls under 10 million.

[@7tommygh924]

The world needs more people like CM Punk tell the truth in your face like it is

[@jaredbrady5566]

The longer Bryan and Dave talked the more I think it's a work haha

[@HakunonMatata]

GWS.

[@tlm6021]

It's only obvious

[@jaredbrady5566]

Regardless, its been great for them. It's all everyone is talking about.

[@Hawk369-z1x]

"It's hard to tell who he was talking about.... because he went after people that 'never did anything in the business.'. It couldn't have been the Young Bucks!?" Um yeah I think it was the Young Bucks

[@EliC09]

@The Baddestman it could also be the bucks and omega, as they have done basically nothing outside of Japan

[@silxix2599]

He just had a difference with Hangman, cause Hangman refused to listen to his advice, and it Rub both the wrong way. Colt Cabana surely went out with the gossip. Who Punk has reasons to hate...

[@dhoyt4377]

Im 100% sure that part was about colt. Who by the way... hasnt done jack shit in wrestling

[@silxix2599]

@@dhoyt4377 Colt Cabana put Punk through lots of shit right after Punk had a lawsuit vs WWE. I think it was do to his mistreated staph infection...

[@carlosr6462]

@@silxix2599 Hangman's interview about not listening to advices was way before Punk signed. They have Lynn, Malenko, JR but the elite guys don't listen to them because they think they know everything already. It's not a surprise that Punk was upset with Bryan and Dave, these guys praise everything the young cucks do and it's pretty evident they are giving them false information to creatr a narrative in this biased channel.

[@Superior_uno]

Jr has said he’s tried giving people advice and he can tell they don’t wanna hear it. They don’t look him in the eye and seem uninterested.

[@DeathofaNINJA]

Punk never fails at entertaining me and I love him for it. ❤