AEW has closed its Punk/Elite investigation, and it's a sad situation: Wrestling Observer Radio

[@maxcady360]

Two things can be true at once: - Punk should've kept his cool during the scrum and addressed the rumors at another time; - Khan should've drawn a line in the sand with the EVPs and Hangman Page, as well as address the Colt Cabana rumors;

[@MyChannel-ol1zz]

You’re asking too much of people to understand that.

[@ArcanaEric]

@PUFB Why not? Mr. McMahon was the most successful heel character in history, and he literally ran the whole company. As long as you put business before your own ego, you can make it work.

[@joeyskywalker1322]

@PUFB The Elite since late 2019 to early 2020 have only been EVPs by name they have no real power

[@joeyskywalker1322]

@@ArcanaEric Vince was a on screen character he wasn’t a wrestler it’s definitely a conflict of interests not to mention Vince wasn’t a mark

[@ArcanaEric]

@@joeyskywalker1322 Vince literally made himself the world champion and was the main villain of his own promotion for years, what are you smoking? lol. The entire main event of Wrestlemania 2000 revolved around Vince and his family fighting one another. Vince wrestled multiple times on PPV, including Mania. Did you even watch the Attitude Era my dude?

[@haydenlawless3248]

The difference between MMA and pro wrestling is you have to look after the other person in the ring. If you don’t trust the other person to do that you don’t work together. Simple as.

[@robbymarton74]

👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 How old are you? 😒

[@nebulous798]

@@robbymarton74 What did they say that you took issue with? Its true, Professional Wrestling is a two men dance, to do any high risk spots you have to trust the other person has your back. Or you just saw 'MMA' and immediately started typing?

[@carlosr6462]

there're multiple cases of guys that hated each other but still work with each other in the ring, it's call being a professional...

[@user-cx9gq2ud6t]

@@carlosr6462 edge and Matt hardy is a perfect example

[@paha4209]

I would rather say the difference to MMA or Boxing is that the people who have beef don´t see eachother on a weekly basis backstage like it is likely the case in wrestling.

[@vonryan5248]

Even after all of this the answer is maturity. Maturity can fix this. Even after the fight, realizing you were wrong and forgiveness, maturity could fix it. Putting what's best before your ego, all parties, could fix this. As a fan I hope they do

[@pooldead7712]

Punk has always caused trouble where ever he has gone, punk gone is whats best

[@chero666]

Wrestling has a long history of temper tantrums and immaturity, sadly

[@kyril98741]

They already try to fix this after hangman done that promo before Don. Punk was petty enough to go to public space and humiliated Hangman and the Elite. You need both side to be mature and you can see why aew only bringing back the elite.

[@blablablaa14]

CM Punk is not a mature person

[@vonryan5248]

I get that Punk is not mature nor humble, I hope he gets there.

[@JacobH2112]

I love the fact Dave said 'I didn't interrupt him' then checks himself and says maybe he did 😂😂

[@jaccblikky8977]

A rare time where he's held himself accountable

[@michaelsinger4638]

As a CM Punk fan for years, I can say that Phil Brooks is his own worst enemy. AEW rolled out the red carpet for him. Heck All Out was Punk’s crowning moment. And yet the guy STILL could not be happy and made the entire company look bad in public, intentionally. At this point, he is more trouble than he’s worth and I hate saying that. But it’s true.

[@kyril98741]

They even made stupid decisions to do stupid squash match and try to get Punk to become ultimate Chicago babyface.

[@jamiejones8521]

The not so elite made him look bad for several months taking shots on BTE.

[@Haiirofox]

Your Dad needs help.

[@gjcfp36]

I don't think he meant to make the company look bad, he just couldn't control himself. Which is arguably worse and why as a Punk fanboy I can understand them not bringing him back. The dude just clearly has almost no self-control. How do you put a guy like that on live TV again??

[@ParvezKhan-jg8gj]

Don't forget the hangman page's promo This is where everything has started.

[@PlushPenguinPal]

My dad is a huge CM Punk fan and he’s freaking out right now. When Punk lost the title on Dynamite my dad threw the remote at our TV and now there’s a giant crack in the glass. 50” OLED TV pretty much ruined over a pro wrestling match.

[@scesfizia]

Your dad sounds likes a moron. I hope you didn’t inherit his iq.

[@wingsofdomesticthreats]

Smh i know that feeling far too well, broken many flatscreens with my fists.

[@sangan3202]

what a mark

[@TheEDSguy]

@@wingsofdomesticthreats I hope you’re speaking as Wings rn lololol😂

[@quentinkaasa47]

Lol That reminds me of when The Rock ended Punk's historic title reign at the 2013 Rumble. There was a news story about an old man who had his liquor store broken into and he was robbed. When he was being interviewed about it, the old man said he was more upset about The Rock beating Punk for the World title.

[@Bruv234]

This will be a great Dark Side of the Ring episode

[@TheSilentHeel]

Nah, I don’t think there’s enough there. It would be a pretty weak episode imo because no one is really gonna talk.

[@raytimpson3361]

It is really like night and day with Dave being on video versus audio only.

[@johnwetmore9559]

When he’s on audio he’s probably also working on other stuff and that’s why he rambles.

[@BlackWind-rx5il]

The recurring theme of this whole mess, whether It's Hangman line or the allegations of the Elite spreading rumors about him, is Colt Cabana. I think that's the point, I think it's still all about this obsessive grudge Punk has with Cabana, this perceived betrayal by a friend he never got over and everything that relates to It infuriates Punk in an unhealthy and maybe patological way. Think about it, both Kingston and MJF said much worse worked shoot stuff in their feuds people could believe to be true. Kingston screamed at Punk that nobody wanted him there. MJF questioned if Punk was ever capable of being a top star in the first place, saying he was always second in WWE to guys like Cena and Triple H because he wasn't as good. But they also hinted at Punk being secretly a bad guy in disguise. When I watched Hangman's promo I thought It was exactly the same kind of worked shoot stuff they were saying and part of this recurring theme of "Is Punk just pretending to be a nice guy and will he turn heel and reveal himself eventually?". Except I actually thought Hangman was the tamer of the three. Why would Punk get so angry to bring it up 3 months later and be three times as unprofessional as Hangman was, publicly ruining a character AEW invested in for three years. And why would he be so angry to do that tirade at hte scrum, which managed to be damaging to both himself, as he truly looked like a mad man, and the company, who he buried in different ways? And when you consider It all started from forcefully looking for a way to bring up Colt Cabana himself during the scrum and keep referring to him while being in complete denial about it, saying he didn't care about him and in the same breath mocking him for sharing a bank account with his mother, that's really all It comes down to. Punk is obsessed and paranoid about this situation to the point of becoming completely irrational about it.

[@jackhughes7637]

I think you're missing the fact that Hangman didn't run it by Punk. Kingston and MJF talked everything through with Punk. That's the difference.

[@9087ac]

💯

[@BlackWind-rx5il]

@@jackhughes7637 I didn't miss it. I don't think It was right from Hangman either. I just don't think Punk's reaction to it is "proportional" to what Hangman did. Punk says it's a matter of professionalism, then turns around and acts twice as unprofessional as him. He says it's about a shoot comment ruining his image, yet Hangman's line Is fare less effettive in that reguard than many worked shoot lines by Kingston or MJF that were green lit by him. He says "he's trying to run a business", while proceeding to piss on that business by saying the management is bad, the talents are bad and make It to the top of AEW doesn't really count as "doing anything in the wrestling business". Punk was irrational and inconsistent all throughout. It's all "do as I say not as I do". And It all stemms from the Colt Cabana thing. Hangman's comment was about him, the Elite rumors were about Punk wanting Cabana out of AEW, the whole tirade at the scrum revolved around Cabana. It's clear as the light of day.

[@East10Outpost]

Well said. It's strange to me too. Rather or not hangman cleared it with punk, what he said was VERY subtle and only known to punk. Punk made it known to the world when he pulled his stunt. Honestly I was over the moon punk was coming back, but he's proved to just be a spoiled brat. Hard pass

[@FrozenSurf]

@@jackhughes7637 oh boo hoo. Poor punk. He needs to grow up

[@Geekdom101]

Good stuff Garrett!

[@starbreaker269]

Didn't expect to see you geekdom

[@AndersonTenecela]

Geekdom!!??

[@BirdGang6]

“You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain”

[@DuvalCounty95]

I'm really gonna miss seeing the Punker in AEW. This would make a great episode of Dark side of the ring though.

[@UncleDeadly76]

Can't wait for punk to tell his side of this story on the jim cornette podcast lol 🤣🤣🤣

[@yazr1712]

Lmao at Dave making it super clear he wasn't his usual interrupting self with Brett. Can't wait to see it lol

[@blablablaa14]

I think a lot of people are gonna ease off of Dave when they see how swole he is

[@nebulous798]

this made me lol

[@saief3213]

Years holding that microphone up

[@bigdaddyroy5382]

Why so he can try to work you? Just cause he's jacked up on shit doesn't mean he knows what he's doing. Goldberg vs jericho is a prime example Goldberg got taken down by jericho 20 yrs ago almost not when Goldberg is in his 50s

[@nickhughes8179]

Blablablaa Steroids are a hell of a drug. One of Dave’s arms is bigger than both Cucamonga kids combined.

[@lexorcism]

@@bigdaddyroy5382 Woosh

[@Syfcobra8549]

All this debacle has only person to blame... Tony Khan! Tony could have prevented this months ago but he allowed this because " it makes good wrestling if the wrestlers hate each other in real life"(words he said when asked about heat between Baker and Thunder)

[@imfreviews]

You are totally correct. Too bad Tony only knows the words, not what they really mean.

[@SeanStrife]

In defense of Thunder Rosa and Britt Baker, they're also professional enough to put their personal issues aside to put on the best product they can. That's something Punk just wasn't able to do.

[@twodogsandstuff]

All of this could have been avoided had TK been the boss and steered that media scrum away from the tirade. He sat there making stupid faces while punk buried the company. If TK would have interrupted and said something like: "Hey, we are getting off topic, we just had a great ppv and a great main event. Lets focus on that." And if Punk ignored him and continued anyway then he would be in the position to just fire him. I like Punk and its a shame everything went the way it did.

[@imfreviews]

@@SeanStrife You could be right, but we don't know what he did or didn't try to do. Dave himself says that there were rumblings, and clearly Tony did little or nothing about it. Punk is in a position where he doesn't need the job and could speak out - how many others are there who maybe aren't so fortunate?

[@joeyskywalker1322]

@@imfreviews Punk got heat in AEW once Colt stop being featured on AEW and that just happened to be around the time Punk came to AEW Tony khan was actually gonna release Colt but the AEW locker room went to bat for him and TK sent him to ROH instead

[@TVindustries5000]

i wonder what would have happened if the rumor of punk being why colt wasnt on AEW didnt get reported on. Would page have cut that promo? would Punk found it in himself do go down the road he did mentally. Would things culminated to this point or would things have lasted longer? But for the Observer and youtube channels, its worked out great, gave them something they could milk money out of for all its worth. So atleast its not a sad situation for Dave. "you can make money off it"

[@GreyLeo]

Nope it wouldn't have more than likely cause we know elite made it up cause how else would we know that Nick Jackson "Saved" Colts job? Also TK should be blamed because after Hangman cut that promo and said "I'm not worried about getting into trouble in the back." TK should of said as soon as Hangman made his non drawing money behind to the back after you match with Punk you're gonna raise his hand and you will be suspended for a month with no pay. Also I believe if Cody was still there this wouldn't of happened the way it did

[@BainesMkII]

Even if it wasn't this particular trigger, something would eventually have happened with Punk. "Locker room cancer" isn't limited to a single event, and Punk has a history of making enemies seemingly everywhere he goes.

[@SplitGoose]

@@BainesMkII Who said he was a cancer. Because tons of the guys backstage loved Punk. He was a major force of good for the youth going forward. Now all they have are the Elite unfortunately. Hopefully Daniel Bryan steps way up into a locker room leader role. But why should he. He has a family to dedicate himself to instead. Welcome to the fall of AEW. Maybe it'll last as long as Impacts fall lol

[@Matt-cr4vv]

I think something would’ve eventually happened anyways. I think Punks time in AEW really blasted a light on the fact that he is almost impossible to please. After listening to his podcast with Colt back in the day I totally understood his issues regarding his injuries and travel. But the issue he had with his placement and wrestlemania etc just came off to me like someone who got 85% of what they wanted and decided that because they didn’t get all of it that their entire time was a waste and horrible. And seeing how things went with AEW firmed that up for me. Look at his time in AEW as a whole. He came in and got the treatment of the top star from day 1 (which I agree he deserved). He gets a light schedule like everybody there does. He likely was being paid millions of dollars. Even when he got hurt he came back in the same spot he was in and immediately won the world title back and unfortunately got hurt right away. But even with all of that good that happened he chose to use his spotlight to tear down a ton of people in the company. Even without the post scrum fight his choice of how to be in the scrum would’ve taken all of the focus off the show and any success it had and instead focus on everything negative that he chose to say. Even if you agreed with the stuff he had an issue with such as hangman’s promo just consider the fact that he waited months to air it publicly. He easily could’ve squashed that behind the scenes in that time but chose not to. To me that says that whether it was this or something else he would’ve eventually found some issue.

[@SplitGoose]

@@BainesMkII I don't want to be THAT guy. But you only named Jericho and we all know Jericho is just looking out for himself and his spot.

[@doug2731]

Shocked hearing Dave and Bryan shit on Punk every day. Not even the Jaws of Life could separate their mouths from swallowing Kenny and the Young Bucks.

[@majinbluuu]

Pot meet kettle

[@jamesmiller5331]

Swallow being the operative word.

[@rezlifeent]

I refuse to believe Brandon Cutler didn't have his camera during the brawl and there is a video somewhere.

[@chasekozak7206]

I’m speculating that TK had everyone delete the footage of what happened. No one has looked good in this situation. Punk came off a miserable SOB with a fractured ego while the Elite has came off for marks for themselves as EVPs and there inner circle of friends. All parties need to go.

[@scottferguson3842]

You know Tony isnt going to allow The Elite to come out on live TV and bury Punk. But, I'm sure there will be plenty of jabs on BTE.

[@zlanath]

@@scottferguson3842 if BTE actually comes back, it's kinda jumped the shark now....

[@DisasterMaggot]

Hopefully TK stops playing favorites now because that is part of what got this mess started. Then again Sammy is STILL getting screen time even though he consistently behaves like a child.

[@JC-ok4yx]

Punk seems like he goes out if his way to be a jerk. It’s not the first time he’s had beef with multiple people. What gets me is the part of the scrum where he said if people have a problem to come see him, then he gets mad when they come to see him. I get he’s probably pissed that he was injured again. He’s probably mad that they barged in. He convinced himself that everyone is out to get him. Instead of him talking to them, he just assumed they’re the ones with the problem, not him. Well clearly that’s not the case. Either way, I stopped watching AEW when punk was on for my own reasons weeks before this incident. Now that he’s gone I watch again.

[@ryanjacobson2508]

If you constantly are beefing with other people wherever you go then you are the problem.

[@Matt-cr4vv]

A big factor for me is how long he let the issues fester instead of handling them. The promo he was mad about happened around 3 months prior to the scrum. If he had followed his own standard of going to the person you have a problem with and talking about it he had 3 months to talk to those guys and get it taken care of behind closed doors professionally. He didn’t do that and let it fester for months and then blasted in publicly. And evidently he didn’t even bother to figure out if they’d even done what he accused them of. Because all of the journalists have said that they never heard the stories from the Bucks like he claimed. Maybe they all covered for them but when this stuff happens in multiple places you just have to narrow it down to the common factor, which is him.

[@johnnyfootlong1772]

there were literally zero negative stories about Punk until the elite started spreading rumors about him in the lockerrom, infact everything was extremely positive. How would you react if your BOSSES started false rumors about you in your work place?

[@JC-ok4yx]

@@johnnyfootlong1772 Zero? He got in fights in RoH. Got into it with people in WWE. He has had "issues" with people everywhere he goes. Also, there is zero evidence it was the Bucks who were talking to Meltzer about the backstage rumors. For all we know it could have been Evil Uno, a referee, or even a tech guy in the back. The only person who has said the Bucks were causing issues is Punk, even though they've denied it, Dave has specifically said it wasn't them as well. So why do we automatically believe him? The truth is we don't know and we can't assume. Either way, he said that if they have a problem they should go to him, but based on the things we DO know, like what he said publicly at the scrum, it seems to me like he was the one with the problem.

[@Marcellus-ro4ko]

But also at the same time, people can’t handle honesty and the truth. Most people in corporate jobs often put on a fake smile and kiss ass to get what they want and that’s the whole truth about. Nobody except Punk really has the balls to tell it how it is and speak up when he’s not happy with something.

[@terrycooper1647]

Sometimes listening to Dave is physically painful

[@kevinwinkler1326]

One of the best Returns of all Time is ruined. Such a Shame. It's so sad.

[@christophermarriott1681]

His return wasn't ruined. CM Punk ruined his run.

[@juliolopez6289]

@@christophermarriott1681 Shit talking children helped push that along though.

[@nickhughes8179]

No, the Elite couldn’t handle that Punks segments drew 1.025-1.4 million while their goofy cosplay crap would dwindle that audience down to 750,000-875,000. Punk exposed the Elite for the phonies and delusional twits they truly are.

[@juliolopez6289]

@@nickhughes8179 Stop Nick when he's telling lies!

[@ps3Rambo21]

Blame page and the elite for being jealous of punk.

[@ChaseSchleich]

We'll definitely hear all sides of this story one day. It isn't going to happen while everyone is still active wrestlers, especially in AEW, but once the Bucks, Kenny, Page, and Punk are all retired and/or out of the company, they'll tell the whole story, just like Bret and Shawn did. As for Cody, I think he had similar issues to Punk. He didn't like how the Bucks and Kenny were doing things, but I think he was going to stay and work through it until he got the offer from WWE which was probably higher than what Tony was willing to offer a guy who could never be world champion and never be truly be the main event. Cody really hurt his value in AEW with that world title stipulation. The big offer from WWE and his issues with the Elite got him to leave. It looked like he tried to mend fences a little on his way out with that press release where he mentioned the Elite, but I don't think they'll ever be close again. Even Kenny kind of buried Cody when he was on Observer Radio after Cody left. There was definitely some issues there.

[@momohwak8686]

We dont care what type of man in CM Punk. We just love what he does in Camera. Bring Back CM Punk that will be the Right Move for AEW. Because the 3 Idiots wana be Comedian EVPs cant do anything about Ratings. Tony Should take a Leadership and Balance the Two Forces.

[@TheJSexton24]

Man I can’t wait to see if 200K viewers leave again when they return

[@DontAdoreYou]

Facts

[@christophermarriott1681]

Shut up. AEW doesn't need CM Punk.

[@jackhughes7637]

@@christophermarriott1681 AEW needs life support. Their biggest rating was episode 1.

[@Drfrostybrew]

It’s nice finally having Dave on video. 👍

[@Psycho5275]

I'm never going to get used to it

[@dc4ever967]

Not really his face looks like a brick house

[@Hwyegeheoey]

He sure is a eye candy

[@thencb41]

He finally cleared an area in house to set up the camera.

[@KentaObscuro]

@@thencb41 I was about to say the rest of his house looks like an episode of Hoarders

[@QuackMamba34]

You couldn't live with your own failure. Where did that bring you? Back to me Triple H to CM Punk

[@Suspect333]

Triple H isn't that stupid.

[@TheJSexton24]

Failure = 5 million for about 20 matches and drew the most money in company history….yea

[@christophermarriott1681]

Triple H couldn't live with his own failure of getting his NXT Black and Gold brand get put out of its own misery. Sit down.

[@QuackMamba34]

@@christophermarriott1681 I was sitting down when I commented this.

[@Syfcobra8549]

Lmao Punk would rather die than go back to WWE Look at how he talks about Cabana and he was a former friend,WWE and Triple H "almost killed him" and they fired him the day he got married so imagine the anger he has towards them

[@dgrblue4162]

Can Tony continue with The Elite as EVPs?

[@subzero9113]

Thats the questi8n. Also the Elite put themselves in the position of confronting Punk. This was how it would have ended regardless. EVP speaks for itself regardless.

[@Ermac_______________________69]

Hopefully not, they should hire qualified people with years of experience in those specific roles not pro wrestlers winging it.

[@nefilim5800]

I guess is pretty clear that they were EVPs in name only, they all lost a lot of their creative impute way before Cody left (one the reasons he left probrably).

[@ooo_Kim_Chi_ooo]

@@subzero9113 Here is the thing. They are EVP's and theyn went to confront him with AEW Legal. This is exactly what they should be doing as executives.

[@ryansollom2171]

I don’t see how

[@goleafsgo332000]

It seems like a lot of people didn’t want anything to do with Punk. That’s very shocking to hear. It’s the equivalent of meeting your childhood hero and you wish you never met him. I will lose all respect for Punk if he goes back to WWE. Just my opinion.

[@SplitGoose]

Why would you? He's likely grow up since his time there. Triple H seems more likely to play ball with Punk. I think Punk, Cody and Roman will make a huge difference in the product

[@goleafsgo332000]

@@SplitGoose People talk. WWE Probably have word on what really happened in AEW. Why would they want that in their company? Too much negativity is bad for a work environment.

[@SplitGoose]

@@goleafsgo332000 You're acting like you know what happened lol. You point is invalid if that's your whole argument

[@finnbalor8021]

It’s just so sad how this situation gets escalated and feelings are sore. AEW I think will be fine but I hate how this has turned out for Punk and how he put himself in this position

[@caligulalauren9071]

He put himself in this when evp’s spread rumors to dirtsheets and hangman gets personal? Was he supposed to just eat the disrespect and move on while the elite fan base shit on him for a lie?

[@DWMCrasher98]

@@caligulalauren9071 Dude, we don't even know if The Elite even did it or not. It's literally he said/we said bullcrap. For all we know, Punk might've just thought it was them and they didn't even do anything

[@kingslayer2999]

Fu*k The Elite nothing but immature Ego maniacs who only care about protecting there spot and Burying guys like FTR and they couldn't handle it when a Legit Draw came into the company. CM Punk took a stand to there BS and they couldn't handle a Rebel and a Outlier on there roster. I Hope CM Punk chants start up and follow the Elite when they return. Seriously all this trouble over Adam Page opening his mouth and crying over a Jobber like Colt Cabana. AEW is done the company is a Clown Show Circus and in the span of 3 years has embarrassed itself worse than TNA ever did also Omega and the Bucks shouldn't have been EVPS in the first place so something like this was always bound to happen. Screw AEW and Clueless Money Mark Tony Khan.

[@DWMCrasher98]

@@kingslayer2999 you're not a clown.. You're the entire circus. Peace

[@kingslayer2999]

@@DWMCrasher98 Elite MARK!!!

[@RCAllen-jy9ds]

The prophecy of Eddie Kingston comes to completion.

[@thisguysays1081]

Turns out both Moxley and Kingston were right. "CM Punk: Fragile mind, fragile body, fragile ego."

[@TVindustries5000]

"the fans have the right to know" basically feels like "why didnt you give me the scoop for the Observer buddy." I dont necessarily *need* to know, interested to know but not NEED. these wrestlers' lives arent pertinent info to my daily life But Dave NEEDS to know because its part of his business. I just feel Dave trying to spin it another way just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

[@aromega10]

Jericho rightfully called CM Punk a cancer for the locker room.

[@mintberrycrunch2530]

Jericho continues to grab as much power as possible

[@majinbluuu]

@@mintberrycrunch2530 Lol, Jericho helped build the company. He's actually practicing what he preaches in getting the younger guys over. He's more than proven his worth to AEW. Don't let your bias amplify your ignorance.

[@jackhughes7637]

@@majinbluuu Build??? Their biggest rating was the first ever episode in 2019 and his segments are usually the least watched every week. The guy doesn't like the fact that he's a joke nowadays and cm punk is still taken seriously as a main eventer.

[@RavenGlenn]

@@majinbluuu What young guys has Jericho gotten over in AEW? He creates factions where he remains the star and has all the attention. Hell his current factioned killed the momentum of everyone in it so he could be the guy again.

[@carlosr6462]

Jericho is a cancer to the content of the show.

[@AkamoriRivals]

I used to be a huge Punk fan, but his attitude just proves to be toxic no matter where he goes. Like, even if some of this falls on the Elite, why does this stuff always gravitate to him? He is the common denominator in every problem that arises.

[@m_k574]

Bro, that's the attitude we love about CM Punk, he is the voice of voiceless.

[@bumblefoot5]

@@m_k574 He is made of glass and a child .

[@Sickillj]

Its pretty much a given when you sign Punk, Tony must of understood what he was getting into, when he signed him. How could anyone think that getting punk onboard ,wouldnt come with some kind of drama.

[@jackhughes7637]

That's what happens when you take an opinionated person with a backbone and drop him in a toxic environment where nobody wants to question why certain things are done.

[@pigsoftheindustry]

he's not the common denominator, colt cabana is. Tony would rather have colt and the evp's than punk, so buyout talks...

[@TheJSexton24]

Dave tell us how that story of punk getting cabana fired got in the observer??? Who told you this and why????

[@DontAdoreYou]

His best friends who’s he been defending through the whole investigation

[@TheJSexton24]

@@DontAdoreYou yeah I know just think it’s funny how they don’t talk about one of the main reasons all this happened

[@hiddensword9387]

8:45 Tony did say they were suspended until further notice. Dave trying to baby face himself now because he didn't get the blood he wanted. Also, the fans were so cliquish and triggered over this whole thing and the press conference that it made it hard to make an angle out of it. All those whinging fans would have just found something to moan about. Sigh

[@jesuszamora6949]

Yep. The indie Marks that make up most, if not all, of AEW's fan base were mad because Punk wasn't kneeling to the gymnasts. They loved him shitting on WWE, but as soon as it turned toward AEW, that tune sure changed.

[@skill14]

What an embarrassment. What a disgrace. What a waste of money, a loss of future money and great tv. A stain on AEW that will never go away.

[@TheOJObserver]

11:10 CM Punk is the Draymond Green of wrestling

[@stacymirba1433]

Dave: I didn't interrupt him. Me: I don't believe you.

[@jesterr7133]

I think the Liger/Graham match was Starrcade '91. That was the first wrestling event I ever watched live.

[@goomba9645]

My thing out of this was how punk was the world champion at put everyone’s livelihood at risk. As much as people want to be tribal 2 major companies is good for the business it’s good for the wrestlers. WWE can’t put EVERYONE on tv and some AEW wrestlers would never be looked at by WWE. So when punk went and did the scrum and said what he said and made the owner look pathetic. It really did make the company look really bad. Thank god for Mox and the rest for keeping it interesting. But to see this man jeopardize peoples jobs over ego and not think is a big deal is awful.

[@tommurrayGTR]

No. He highlighted that there was good and bad in the company. He also highlighted that the owner was not taking charge so he was being forced to take care of things. End of the day, had Tony taken care of the mess Punk would have went home that night and no fight would have happened. Instead it festered for weeks/months until the return/PPV and afterwards Punk blew his lid. He didn't jeopardise anybody else's livelihood any more so than the Bucks/Omega/Page did his. Page went out, and in one interview turned the opinion on the top babyface over a rumour. That was apparently not on the script, THAT is messing with Punks wrestling character, that is messing with the company and that's making Tony look bad because he has Wrestlers on live TV going off script on his top star. So... if you're going down the self righteous rabbit hole, you had better look at the other guys who helped the situation get to where it got/is.

[@jesuszamora6949]

@@tommurrayGTR All true. Unfortunately, it's going to fall on deaf ears, especially here on The AEW Observer.

[@BishopM1]

21:51 Page started it ALL. Tf do you mean he didn’t say a word? Sure he didn’t after it all stems from him

[@mikey77750]

I will always be a CM Punk fan, sad that this occurred. I doubt he will wrestle again. Great memories of him always.

[@denisegerard2188]

get rid of cmpunk and we are no watching aew anymore.if all of us that want punk back they will loose money. WWE is getting better now

[@youcantalwaysgetwhatyouwan8419]

@@denisegerard2188 gotta be honest, I agree. The bloodline storyline alone has engaged me more than post punk aew has.

[@SplitGoose]

@@youcantalwaysgetwhatyouwan8419 Doesn't help that TK is a worse booker now than he was before. I believe that Cody MUST have been responsible for all the good. AEW is an overbloated WWE lite

[@jesuszamora6949]

@@SplitGoose TNA Lite, more like. And yeah, lots of the problems in booking seem to have begun around the time of the backstage shit... Which will continue, of course, as Sammy Guevara is one of the good ol' boys.

[@dilbagjhuty5806]

I can’t see the video version of the podcast on the wrestling observer website it’s still audio for me. Why is that?

[@Jordan-el9he]

I still don’t understand why there’s a thought of “They owe us an answer!” It’s just like any other company when questions are asked; for better or worse, no company truly deserves to answer any questions unless you’re a shareholder. If you’re “press” or a fan, no we’re truly not entitled to an answer by the company (especially when there’s the probability of legal things happening).

[@MinusFiveStars_]

My thought exactly

[@ellenripley4640]

It is all a work to set up a Kenny Omega vs. Larry the Dog feud

[@BirdGang6]

Isn’t the chairs match between Nick Jackson and Ace Steel on the same card?

[@DavidH1]

One aspect of this that is never mentioned is Punk's likely frustration with how the Bucks did not do what was best for business and drop the titles to FTR at All Out. You would have had a real co-main event, the biggest tag match in AEW history and all of wrestling in many years for all the titles. They could have built that all summer instead of just having the rush build for the main event. Instead the Bucks dropped the belts without even getting pinned and then tanked Punk's ratings each week with their six man main events with Kenny. Meanwhile, FTR had nothing to do again on an AEW ppv when they were white hot all summer. That is part of the reason Punk said while he is trying to sell ppv's, the Elite EVP's couldn't manage a Target.

[@gnvtwhp1218]

Punk: Hbk, we're both alike. We don't drink. We don't do drugs..... Hbk" ...we both lost our smile.😎 Punk:😕 Wow. THAT'S WHAT THAT FEELS LIKE🤯🤯🤯🤯

[@elberno4243]

Its a work. There is no footage, no photos, no charges being pressed. TK could terminate Punk's contract, if he attacked an EVP. Its all just the hype machine, while the big star is injured!

[@hezekiahramirez6965]

Yes, everything is a work. Sasha and Naomi are secretly still working with WWE, Owen Hart has been hiding in Vince’s house for two decades, Punk wasn’t injured, Shawn and Bret loved each other and Montreal was an act, Ric Flair was working with Jim Herd when he took the world title belt to the WWF, Vince and Ted Turner were always working together, Droz was never really injured, Angle never broke his neck, and Vince is actually still with WWE. The investigation was a sham. Nothing ever happens and you can’t ever believe anything no matter how much evidence there is. This is very intelligent and you’re a critical thinker

[@elberno4243]

@@hezekiahramirez6965 wasn't Sasha & Naomi's return already confirmed? Owen is dead. Stop believing everything! In wrestling, there is always someone pulling the strings and this is hilarious to them... And me😂😂😂

[@elberno4243]

@@hezekiahramirez6965 Montreal was a work. If I'm wrong on that, then we all need to question the morality of buying WWE produce

[@charleshill3802]

This is the antithesis of Bret/Vince: TK did everything in his power to keep Punk happy. He put the belt on him prior to him leaving, instead of screwing him out of it. If anything, Punk was Shawn Michaels and gave himself the Bret Hart ending.

[@mr.whisper3338]

It's really a shame that it got to this point. Worse is they didn't try to make money from it. Shame on everyone involved. Grow up and realize adults make compromises for the benefit of the fans and the business as a whole.

[@Kev7035]

The guy lacks self-control, and is so unhinged and unpredictable, that he would go on a press conference to bury the company, just bc you want your little mjf vs punk match doesn't mean he should be allowed on national tv with a mic in his hand after what he did, also, the guy is injured again, and most likely won't be fit to compete until february, wtf are they supposed to do with him then?

[@SeanStrife]

If the parties can't at least cooperate, the end result is gonna suck, and that's all on Punk.

[@mr.whisper3338]

@@SeanStrife This is far from just Punk's fault.

[@mattmaverick3602]

This feels like a situation where everyone involved looks bad and seems like they were in the wrong in some way.

[@caligulalauren9071]

I disagree. The aew fans are only going to hate punk. Hangman is still loved and promoted as If he never violated punk to begin this. When the evp’s come back, they will be cheered and loved. Ftr and maybe 4 other guys care about punk. He was outnumbered from the get go. The company has elite in the name.

[@Charles-qw5ug]

@@caligulalauren9071 I agree and disagree with you. True hangman didn’t get punished but he is not as popular now I think fans are seeing when he works with real stars he’s just not very good. And when the elite come back I think the cm punk chants are going to drive them mad. And I see ftr getting buried and all the other talent that were in vocal support of punk getting buried also.

[@mattmaverick3602]

@@Charles-qw5ug I imagine that will be political suicide if they do that to FTR because then the impression will be that The Elite book AEW to get themselves over and anyone that disagrees with them will be buried. I'd like to think that they'd be smart enough to realize that, but we'll see.

[@SeanStrife]

@@Charles-qw5ug I don't think there's going to be CM Punk chants at this point.

[@Charles-qw5ug]

@@SeanStrife now that people know for sure punk ain’t coming back I’m pretty sure when the elite come out it’s going to happen. I no it hasn’t happened yet and time will tell.

[@gabekardashian]

I’m going to miss Punk. Everything he was involved in felt epic and real. I don’t see myself watching for much longer

[@Superior_uno]

Best stuff on the show. All logical. Made sense. Nothing silly

[@misterbrocoli]

Lmfao

[@jesuszamora6949]

At this point, MJF's departure is inevitable. He's the only top star left in that miserable company that cares about his craft. The rest have either left (Punk) or been marginalized (Wardlow, Hobbs).

[@MikesCabbages]

2 mins in and he still hasn't said anything how do ppl say this is the number one source

[@zachscott5420]

I just like picturing punk reading all the comments and watching dynamite every week going. “Jericho couldn’t draw a dime, MJF peaked, FTR only got over cause I wrestled dax, if they let me back I’m gonna fight hangman first day,”

[@Am0ment0fB]

Wow over half hour of absolutely saying nothing. Ha.

[@xjet15]

It’s your fault Dave for printing a single source story from your friends. If you are going to write a story about someone maybe you should reach out to that person for comment and get their side of the story. Dave Meltzer is responsible for this mess as well.

[@SeanStrife]

Except The Elite haven't been in contact with Meltzer in years. Punk, meanwhile, his camp was in constant contact with Dave throughout the whole investigation.

[@xjet15]

You are so naive. I bet you eat glue thinking it’s ice cream.

[@buddabudda]

Punk has always been a pouty crybaby and this was bound to happen, but now where does AEW find itself? With a clique full of idiot clowns who are going to prevent AEW from ever getting beyond the point where it is, now. In the end, this was really all Tony's fault.

[@christophermarriott1681]

Dumbest shit I've heard today. AEW doesn't need CM Punk. Get off the drugs.

[@buddabudda]

@@christophermarriott1681 Not what I said, little buddy. Learn to read words

[@fizzyfuzz5878]

I don't know why WWE would want him. Not only are fans starting to see through him, but it seems inevitable this'd happen in WWE too.

[@hezekiahramirez6965]

Because it would boost the stock price. It’s not long term but it never is. They want to sell the company so they want to pump up the stock and dump it as soon as possible

[@jesuszamora6949]

He's hyper talented. Yes, he has an attitude, but as guys like Hogan or Shawn prove, you can get away with a LOT if you're a generational talent.

[@meavid]

Tony Khan needs to be the BOSS, not some money MARK.

[@christophermarriott1681]

You need to shut up and be a mark.

[@meavid]

@@christophermarriott1681 Better me than Tony!

[@dpmilligan4487]

I used to want this situation to end as a work but now that its irreconcilable i can live that the fact that one party stays and one goes Anyone arguing that business should continue to insist should remember that these wrestlers have no issue with money and that these issues they hold are personal Don't force these parties to involve themselves with each other anymore because they do not choose to

[@_.El._]

Funny thing is if they turned it into a work everything would’ve come off as just one big massive work.

[@Superior_uno]

If it draws money who cares ?

[@_.El._]

@@Superior_uno right but I was more on the fact that if turned into a work, ppl and everyone would’ve just thought the scrum was a work all along.

[@cyb]

AEW needs these challenges to happen(along with HHH taking talents back) in order to grow

[@jesuszamora6949]

HHH taking the talents back will help WWE grow, certainly. AEW isn't going to get bigger, however, because the money mark would rather play with his indie friends than run a business.

[@LuisReyes-pb4dt]

AEW is a high end indie promotion where the owner let's certain wrestlers dictate what goes on .

[@TimMullins2]

It doesn't seem as if AEW will ever grow and that it's actually reached his peak and will come back to where they were. With Tony, and his choice to have wrestlers as evp's, the company will always be centered around a clique of indie level wrestlers. It's like a good ole boys club, aka all friends wrestling. The only thing left for AEW, now that the casual fans are leaving the product, is for them to somehow someway drive away their 750k die hard fans. That is more likely than the company "growing."

[@jesuszamora6949]

@@TimMullins2 Exactly. They've reached their peak. There was a shot to grow, if Tony grew a spine and sided with Punk over the Cucamonga Kliq, but it's clear that chance is gone. They're becoming even more indie and silly now that the only adult who was there to do something OTHER than bilk the money mark is gone, it's all downhill from here. The likely ends for AEW? Either someone snaps their neck doing something completely unnecessary on national TV, or Shahid pulls Tony's allowance away like Dixie's daddy did to her.

[@KennethCam]

Another 30 minutes of Dave rambling.

[@geneanthony3421]

Not sure how this drug on so long, 5 weeks? Not a murder investigation. Should have probably been handled within a week.

[@ingloriousmax]

Think it was like 8, next ppv is already in 3 weeks. I agree waaaaaay too long.

[@pooldead7712]

Legal issues that's why

[@chriskay1449]

Legal issues. Those always take a lot of time when you have lawyers on both sides + AEW's legal department.

[@Kev7035]

Leave it up to gene on his couch to tell you how long an investigation should have lasted, some of you are really dumb

[@RavenGlenn]

"Legal issues" isnt a valid excuse. If I walked into someone's office at work and they got up and assaulted me while I had the head of legal standing next to me? I would not be suspended for getting assaulted.

[@pinkribbonskies5731]

Phil Brooks just can't get out of his own way. gonna be a dark few years ahead for him

[@jesuszamora6949]

I don't know how. He has the company by the balls and can either ride out his contract or take a big ass bag of money and return to acting and comic books. Hell, if rumors of HHH being interested are true, Punk can have quite the triumphant return, or he can go to NJPW and at least be surrounded by professionals instead of gossipping children.

[@GillBoldberg]

I’m not the biggest Punk fan but I would still like to hear his side. Either way he’s laughing all the way to the bank. He gets to sit home and collect millions while AEW continues to struggle to pull an audience.

[@unknown-gp6gw]

Having the picture now behind the idiotic words adds so much

[@hezekiahramirez6965]

Sometimes Dave does come off as a mark. Vince SAYS he does what the fans want. He’s done it. Yes. But he’s also resisted A LOT. A lot. Sometimes Vince did the right thing. Sometimes he didn’t. I don’t know how someone would deny that with a straight face

[@TheSilverPhoenix100]

Agreed, and there are also times that Vince not listening to the fans was the right call as lets not kid ourselves, wrestling fans dont have a fucking clue what we actually want and we would have a revolving door of top guys with no one getting over if a company did everything we wanted

[@sorryimnutty9642]

How anybody could wanna support or work with Punk is crazy, he has literally caused issues in every lockerroom hes ever been in, He Has had beef with some of the nicest wrestlers ever such as Kevin Owens, Hangman page, AJ Styles for no reason so how anybody could think hes not a problem is insane

[@san12X]

At the end of the day its a lose- lose situation: -We as fans are back to square one as Punk is out of the wrestling business and we are uncertain if he will ever return. -Aew loses its biggest star which is obviously bad for business. -The elite don't look good with rumours of them pushing Cody away behind his back and now the whole Punk situation. The focus all this time should have been growing the AEW brand, but all this drama has stunted its growth. So everyone is worse off, except for maybe WWE.

[@WeeGeeX]

I hope, still, they find a way to make their money and build their brand off of punk. Ultra heel "i never dropped my title" punk vs MJF in february and then he works on roh or something away from the elite locker room

[@live4themoment94]

This channel is so bias its hard to tell what's genuine or what's an agenda. Everyone saying Punk is to blame and yet Hangman gets title shots, Elite is being promoted back, Ace gets fired, and his dog gets injured. All the while not one damn peep about Punk unless its peoples "opinions" of what they think. People really wonder why he doesn't want to work it out. It's whatever. Punk spoke his mind, put every fraud in that company on notice and gets plotted against to get him out of there because others couldn't stand how popular he is. Here's an idea, get over and be unique and stop catering to a niche audience otherwise shut the hell up and get over your diva selves. I wonder who the next scape goat will be after Punk is gone and the locker room dissension still occurs.

[@petejackson4094]

I wish they , mostly Dave would let the other guy get his thought and points across and stop interrupting

[@AndersonTenecela]

So Meltzer admitted he has contact with Adam Page

[@bluebaron6858]

Disappointing that Punk doesn't want to "work" it out.

[@armandorivera9606]

Damn Dave ramble’s and rambles about the same shit over and over 😂

[@chernobylhobo7793]

Punk screwed Punk. He couldn't be the bigger man and let his issues with Hangman and the Elite take a backseat to his role in AEW. Instead he generated the single biggest PR disaster in AEW's history and torched his own career in the process. Even you thought Hangman and the Elite could have handled things better CM Punk was clearly the one who escalated the situation to this point. He was completely unprofessional and if I were Tony I wouldn't bring him back either.

[@Simouno]

I am convinced and nobody can change my mind that what triggered Punk is the injury, knowing that he would be out for a long time once again and that probably will never sniff the title scene in the future because he is injury prone and old and everybody in the locker room hates him he probably thought that it was time to burn the bridge with AEW and start over elsewhere by unleashing on every single top asset of the company. Remember that he not only shoot on the elite, but also on MJF and Kingston saying that Tony Khan forced him to work to every single jerk there was out there that had it out for him. CM Punk knew that he was done in AEW and used the scrum to bury the EVPS and emasculate the owner on his way out

[@scottferguson3842]

Agreed that he was frustrated from the injury at the scrum. I guess time will tell in regards to what The Elite did or didn't do to Punk during his time there.

[@johnnyfootlong1772]

What type of investigation does not interview every single witness and participant? What kind of legal professional does not do everything they can to prevent the confrontation to protect the company?

[@ishmael802]

CM Punks charde has finally fade away. Ppl see through his bs

[@nickhughes8179]

Everybody also now sees the Elite for the political phonies they are too. Cosplay Vanilla Midget Kliq complete with whining to the boss about your coworkers and only working with your friends. Just like the Cucamonga kids’ idol HBK.

[@MIKEPSYCHE]

CMP = CTE

[@coke8045]

Punk walked out on WWE on his terms. He's always had it his way in that regard. I really think he thought he was untouchable, bigger than AEW, and could get away with anything. It's taken way too long to get there, but surely he's been taken down to size and taught a lesson.

[@jamiejones8521]

Lmfao no he’s not. We get you’re a big AEW fan but don’t spouts lies.

[@TheJSexton24]

And he’s still 10x more over than omega bucks and page

[@coke8045]

@@jamiejones8521 Keep coping with the fact you're WWE cultist bro

[@DontAdoreYou]

@@TheJSexton24 and 10x a bigger draw

[@jamiejones8521]

@@coke8045 how’s he been taken down to size lol he’s brought in record views and record gates for AEW, unlike the elite who were consistently dropping viewers when they were on screens. Don’t let your love of kenny omega and the young bucks cloud your judgement. I use to love stone cold like you love the elite mate we all go through that stage. Mine was just when I was a kid, and not a sad virgin like you.

[@SeanMurrellRTS]

As a fan of AEW this is very sad because I'm invested in everyone here. I grew tired of WWE not long after Punk was gone and I never really went back except for the occasional look. I purchased my first Wrestle Kingdom because Jericho and Omega. I began following The Elite and ROH including Cody. When Cody left I was sad but happy for him because the door was always open and it appeared he was living his dream. Punk was at one time very happy in AEW. This should have been worked out and I'm still hoping despite all of this that dreams could come true. But I'm still a fan of AEW and despite what some people say I think AEW is really doing well right now without The Elite or Punk on the card. I'm excited for The Elite coming back as well, but they were already doing good. I'd been even more excited if some how this works out despite what we are hearing. But the only person that can make that happen is Punk because the ball is in his court now. It's not up to the locker room and it's not up to The Elite. People can reach out to him but the one person that has to do the most is Punk if we ever see him in AEW again.

[@michaelhubbard4989]

Im with you on that.

[@rockcatinc.4814]

Everything you wrote is exactly how I feel/felt. Sad all around I guess.

[@SeanMurrellRTS]

@@rockcatinc.4814 Hopefully there is still a chance to salvage it. I don't think he's a bad guy, but perhaps overly passionate.

[@rockcatinc.4814]

@@SeanMurrellRTS I am holding out hope. Maybe they can settle this and come to an agreement so all can coexist.

[@nzstump0152]

punk had every right to believe that 8 people entering his locker room after the media scrum were looking for a fight, he was injured beat up and the only other people on his side there, was a small dog and his friends injured wife

[@srh3323]

Jim cornette was right about you

[@hellboy30098]

To let you know how casual wrestling is to not marks I told my friend CM Punk is probably out of the company He responded with: "Why?"

[@BlackWind-rx5il]

The wrestling internet community doesn't ever stop to consider certain things. Like for example....think about the most viewed, most famous channels that talk about wrestling....how many views do they get on their videos? For a few thousand to a hundred thousand mostly. How many people watch Dynamite? Almost a million. How many people watch RAW and SmackDown? From a 1.6 to 2.2 millions most times. The overlapping is not that huge. But it's not like everybody that is on the internet are marks and those who are not who watch the shows are casuals who don't know how wrestling works. There a LOT of people that know exactly how wrestling works and have opinions and stuff but don't go on the internet to speak about It. Because they don't want to, they don't feel like they need to, or quite simply, they don't have time to, because maybe they're older, they have work and families. The vocal fans on the internet are a fraction of the general wrestling fandom. Dividing it into just casuals and marks is just simplistic and not realistic.

[@UnitedWarGamers]

Don't bother watching this, they don't go into any details of the storys. The headline is all you need to know.

[@UnitedWarGamers]

@Art School Reject happy to help, then he talks about Vince and Bert falling out in 1997.

[@timdurgan]

If everyone (inc Jericho who is the nicest, coolest guy ever) hates you, maybe it is actually your fault.

[@AndrewVera23]

Jericho nice and cool lmao.

[@MrRBX]

@@AndrewVera23 right lol

[@thedoobieshrew0244]

Smiling faces

[@carlosr6462]

hahahaha jericho the nicest and coolest? hahahaha

[@MoreBrush]

Release an apology letter and move on with your lives and business. Is the locker room that shaken up after a scuffle Lmao.. Punk should be back by now because of politics has been kicked out. Scuffles can happen often so what's the big deal?? Move on ffs. Tony Khan lost the plot. I'll watch something else.

[@Moe_GC94]

I have an honest question. Just if this is different or if they should have taken the same approach: Back when Shawn Michaels and Bret hart had that backstage fight were they literally HATED each other - WWF back then still had them wrestle and kept Personal and Professional matters seperately. Because both guys knew the business meant more than their feelings. (I think you will never like working with everyone in your workplace, that's a fact. And some may argue that sometimes you have to do what is best for business instead of for your own ego). Should they just have let this get settled peacefully backstage, so maybe keep punk and the elite separate from each other and just go out there and perform individually? Because the reason for my comparison here is, Shawn Michaels was to his own admittion - a d**k to nearly everyone backstage back in the 90's. But he was one of their biggest draws nonetheless so they kept him around for business purposes. Wouldn't it have been a better move to keep punk around because He was one of the biggest draws in the business for AEW right now? Or are those entirely different Situations? Asking the Real experts here, i just made that comparison in my head... maybe i am totally wrong i just want to know.

[@aromega10]

CM Punk screwed CM Punk.

[@nickhughes8179]

Tony Khan screwed Tony Khan Coming soon Dave Meltzer screwed Dave Meltzer

[@atodamadre3197]

If Dave ages by one year for every "ya know" he says in this clip, how old is he?

[@jackhughes7637]

About as old as he looks

[@stevekrueger8386]

185 😂😂

[@MinusFiveStars_]

Dead

[@TheFrontzClub]

its sad how pathetic this has all gotten this will go down as one of the biggest black eyes in aew history and the fact that they couldnt get past their egos and make money NONE of these involved can EVER say they love this business and want to make money in this business and ANYONE says they don't want to work with CM Punk are saying hey i don't like making money i only care about myself screw the business

[@Em3ga]

But Punk hurt their feefees. He was just suppose to let them losers talk shit about him. "Elites" got alligator mouths with humingbird asses, writing checks that they ass can't cash.

[@TheFrontzClub]

@@Em3ga we don't know what is true or not when it comes to people talking about CM Punk everything imo started happening after ACE Steel joined AEW earlier this year i think ace got into punks ear someone "leaked" rumors of the bucks and hangman going to the dirt sheets to blame punk for cabana's situation even tho tk was letting him go no matter what and it all snowballed and then punk vented and he's suppose to be the bad guy

[@I-Ki-Gai]

I know backstage details on events are popular and interesting but grown men being upset because they couldn’t get the scoop on some gossip on an altercation is nasty.

[@dpolenz79]

What was the point of this video? Not a single point was made outside of not finishing a single thought in a sentence before jumping into three more topics and not finishing those thoughts either.

[@DeathofaNINJA]

Silence is golden (CM Punk) and insecurities speak loud (EVPs and Jericho)

[@SeanStrife]

Except Punk was the one who was in back and forth contact with Dave Meltzer while the EVPs stayed quiet during the whole investigation. Dave himself confirmed this.

[@DeathofaNINJA]

@@SeanStrife I'm not looking for Dave's confirmation on anything concerning the EVPs I'm afraid. He's too connected to them personally for me to take that seriously.

[@MinusFiveStars_]

lol

[@kaysiepena3520]

​@@SeanStrife 🧢

[@SeanStrife]

@@kaysiepena3520 I mean... Dave himself LITERALLY said that on the forums. Don't overdose on copium there.

[@shawnredmond8402]

CM puke ruined his career for no reason.

[@gmwarsaw]

It's going to be punk vs Roman or punk vs Kenny, both are the biggest matches that can be made in 2023...

[@scottferguson3842]

Punk vs Kenny in a ladder match in LV in 2023... But, instead of a belt, briefcase or chip hanging over the ring it will be Larry. In a roomy, humane cage of course.

[@bigdaddyroy5382]

Dave takes 0 responsibility for being part of the problem. Sheet writers don't belong backstage or in the know.

[@Syfcobra8549]

Ikr hes such a coward