How Asian Americans Became The Center Of The Affirmative Action Debate

By many standards, Michael Wang, 25, was the perfect student in high school. Wang graduated in the top 0.5 percent of his class with a 4.67 weighted GPA, near-perfect test scores and countless extracurriculars. When all of this resulted in rejections from his first choice-schools, he wondered what more he could’ve done, and then another thought crossed his mind - had he been rejected because he was Asian American? In October 2022, the Supreme Court will be hearing two cases to decide whether they will be ending the use of race in admissions across the country.
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How Asian Americans Became The Center Of The Affirmative Action Debate

[@yelandajones]

We never asked to be admitted because of our race, we just asked not be rejected because of it.

[@prettynerd4779]

Look at my post... 1st. Everyone who applies to these schools are qualified for the most part ( especially the minorities). 2. I said years ago what I said NOW.. ITs white students ( legacies) taking these slots and ASIANS KNOW IT but they dont ever go after them but after other minorities.. that is why I never respected their fight.. you are going for the easy target and not the real culprit.. its weak, pathetic, and not worthy of my respect. if Asians outscore everyone then why are these universities still predominately white? Lets be honest with ourselves! Also, Asians helped get rid of affirmative action thinking blacks and browns would fight it and we didnt. We didnt even care because its done very little for us and helped and guess what.. After Affirmative Action Asian enrollement has still not increased.. what does that tell you? But white enrollment has.. ROFL..

[@cjfl1962]

But Asians have the highest non-white admission rate in the USA. It sounds like you all were doing well with college admission. So why target Affirmative Action when the real issue was legacy policies in these schools which benefit mostly white student. To me, you all played the fool as you did not understand or appreciate the racist history of colleges in this country which was for centuries to block admission for anyone who was not white. The only thing that helped reduced that racist practice was the civil rights movement which AA was derived from.

[@aspensky5]

this!

[@prettynerd4779]

@@aspensky5 They hid my reply.. like I said it was white legacy students always taking these slots and not other minorities but Asians go for the low hanging fruit and dont address the real issue

[@jumboshrimps4498]

How did you know if you were rejected because of your race and not your performance though? And no, I'm not talking about during the time of segregation. BTW, Affirmative Action hurts Black students the most. Because now no one values your degree, we just don't talk about it openly.

[@qamzy90]

I think universities should start blind applications. It keeps it fair and while they are at it, they should also ban legacy advantages

[@qamzy90]

I should also clarify only economic background should be taken into account. An A+ from a rich student with 10 tutors and million easily funded extra curricular activities is not the same as an A+ from a poorer student at an underfunded school or working a full time job with no extra help

[@SuntaX10]

@@qamzy90 I agree 10000000000000%.

[@dalagamble3164]

I agree. I think no college shouldn’t even ask for race.

[@openranks4519]

Nope, more white kids with merit

[@KiaraLeeOfficial]

Currently what indications do colleges know the applicants race from? Do they ask the race in the application? And maybe from the last name and through interview? I genuinely don't know because i don't live in the US.

[@turkishdelight6032]

The fact that this young man went to such great lengths just to get his answer shows what he's made of. I hope he knows that he was going to succeed no matter where he went for college

[@ericjiang7986]

I have told so many people white people can definitely be discriminated, easiest example - The Jewish People were discriminately because Hitler said they occupied most of financial area. The Nazi said the Jews stole all of the money, that's basically affirmative action in Jewish form

[@incubus_the_man]

He will. It's just that not black students don't always get the same level of support from their institutions that's why affirmative action exists. Asians already make up a high percentage of the overall enrollment at ivy league schools anyway. This kid could make it just as easily if he went to a state university.

[@rongarcia2128]

He looks like Russell kid from "Up"

[@ellis7622]

@@Edt5814 I think you misunderstood them. They said non black students don’t get the same level of support from institutions that black students get.

[@forealz22]

@@incubus_the_man Are you saying it’s ok to discriminate against him because the colleges already have too many of his kind?

[@maybritt6457]

The other sad part about these cases is that it inadvertently pitches Asians against blacks, minority against minority.

[@maybritt6457]

@@Mic22795 you obviously didn’t understand my comment

[@rohith4966]

Coming from an Indian American who attended a Public Ivy, I'm more upset about the impact that legacy admissions has at these universities. This practice needs to end as it continues to have the largest impact on the applicant pool at "elite" universities.

[@rohith4966]

​@@annajohnson308 Public colleges and universities in the US that have comparable education quality to the Ivy League. There's around thirty of them. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Ivy

[@user-lvqk2wdp8sjn]

You're saying that so as not to get shouted and yelled at, and experience even more affirmative action.

[@harveylin3548]

What if I tell you the small % of legacy admissions are actually their real purpose, the others are just there to be salad dressings.

[@temujinkhan6326]

Then your colleges would have to double their fees because they would lose a lot of donations.

[@azzajack]

@@user-lvqk2wdp8sjn What are you talking about?

[@nameless2767]

This is what happens when you create a unequal system for admission, give one more points and less to another. The consequences are that, everyone feel discriminated.

[@earlwallace2015]

You are lying. It's either intentionally being done or ignorantly.

[@0xedb]

Will there ever be an "eqaul" system or has there ever been one? I'm sure the same documentary made for almost any other race.

[@papayabyoure2948]

the system of admission takes a wholesome approach. its just funny that by trying ti be fair you have a few people that are buthurt and then instead of trying to see orher avenues decide to blame black people. smh

[@janinebelleestrada7096]

@@earlwallace2015 it's deliberate and intentional

[@taxthesocialist2602]

Left-leaning people are often the most racist. Who needs the KKK when young leftietards want segregation and believe in racist notions?

[@user-lvqk2wdp8sjn]

They should perform one of those classical experiments where they submit different university applications with identical SAT scores, GPAs, Statements of Purpose, letters of recommendation, extra curricular activities, etc. The only differences would be the applicants' name, ticked off box and zip code.

[@lylelaney8270]

The thing is sometimes they were selected for the interview but rejected after. Like it was mentioned, personality during the interview matter so the interview could argue whatever because it is subjective.

[@YoYo-vp3qt]

University of British Columbia did an experiment years ago on job applications: exact same resume but white vs Asian names. Well, let’s just say the result was what we expected.

[@gracefool]

There's no need for such experiments when tthese universities are literally arguing in court for the ability to be racist.

[@magnasquids7864]

There are already studies that show discrimination exists.

[@johnnyboy7538]

@@lylelaney8270 exactly. Very good point but ofcourse the anti-affirmative action camp could care less.

[@lokkomotive8153]

America needs to make education equal in all public schools then. Money needs to be put in lower income community schools.

[@light126]

The American k 12 education system has already wasted a lot of money. Spending a lot of money does not equal to good results. In the past, they have spent the extra money on inner cities. It's just all wasted. Someone has to figure out how to spend money wisely.

[@alfredocornelio4329]

Public School Funding Per Student Averages 80% More Than Private Schools: According to the New York Times, one of the main reasons why public K-12 schools are reopening more slowly from Covid-19 lockdowns than private schools is because public schools generally have less money. Times reporter Claire Cain Miller makes this claim three times in a single article, but her assertion IS THE POLAR OPPOSITE OF REALITY and has been so FOR DECADES. Twenty-five years ago, the U.S. Department of Education (DOE) estimated that public K-12 schools spent an average of 43-52% more per student than private schools in the 1991-92 school year. Since then, DOE data shows that inflation-adjusted average spending per public school student has risen by 40%. Consistent with that DOE data, new research by Just Facts reveals that average public K-12 school funding per student is about 80% higher than private schools. Specifically, the latest DOE data shows that governments spent an average of $14,439 for every student enrolled in K-12 public schools in the 2016-17 school year. In comparison, Just Facts estimates that private schools spent an average of $8,039 per student in the same year. The figure for private school spending was determined by Just Facts with data from the DOE and U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis. All methodological details are provided in the footnotes located here, and all data and calculations are shown in this spreadsheet. Furthermore, DOE’s figure for public school spending per student doesn’t include the costs of state government administration, unfunded pension liabilities, and public worker post-employment benefits (like health insurance). In contrast, Just Facts’ figure for private schools is comprehensive and includes all spending by private consumers, nonprofit organizations, and governments. This means that the full public school funding advantage is greater than 80%. ( www.justfactsdaily.com/public-school-funding-per-student-averages-80-more-than-private-schools )

[@hoseashon8302]

The supreme court only banned the "race-based" affirmative action - Which is 100% the right decision. Race based affirmative action was so dumb when you think about it. Colin Powell's children and grandchildren getting further advantages over White student from a trailer park or Asian student from a family running a takeaway shop? Really? How was that EVER fair? This is the issue with the race based quotas - The quotas should be based on the "Socio economic" background if you really want to help those born into disadvantaged background.

[@KL-os2sr]

For-profit colleges are probably responsible for gatekeeping and gentrifying society

[@kel-in5gi]

not everyone knows how supposedly 'important' the SAT scores are

[@TomNook.]

"they're too clever for their own good" I've heard this said so many times about Asians. If we're going to go for affirmative action, let's have more Asians in media, film, journalism, sport. Let's force the NBA and NHL and NFL to have more Asians as part of quotas.

[@NotYowBusiness]

What does that “too clever for their own good” statement even mean? That Asians are too snarky?

[@trollingizlife2298]

If you don’t like affirmative action, you shouldn’t have come here. You’d be shown preference in your own country just like Black American slave descendant people and White American women are with affirmative action.

[@TomNook.]

It's just another illogical argument anti Asians i.e. racists use.

[@iROChakri]

@@brycegum_221 Yup he is. Pretty much like all BLMs pretty much triggered over the law enforcement punishing criminals 🤣

[@alvincyt]

@@brycegum_221 Shouldn't they be upset about unfair treatment?

[@cheesycheez]

Grew up in an Asian American neighborhood and saw this happen. There was this boy who was like, honestly one of the kindest people, super smart, great GPA, great with people, and constantly involved in school leadership. He even went on to do humanitarian things in 3rd world countries after graduation, and I always thought he had great leadership skills for someone at such a young age. I was really surprised to hear he got rejected from his top schools. However, another Asian American friend of mine who was on the lower percentile of grades in the IB program got into all those schools. She told me she felt bad because almost all the other IB kids got rejected from those schools, but she felt like it was because in her statement, she wrote about her overcoming cancer. The standards seem incredibly high using this system. That boy really should’ve also got in. And they always talk about how high performing Asian American students are, but they don’t talk about the other half of that statistic: that Asian Americans have the highest gap in wealth in the country. I think there’s something to that that’s correlated with what’s talked about in the video. Also, not to dox the original intent of this process of trying to prevent discrimination and acknowledge the discrepancy of privileges one race gets over another, but perhaps creating more resources to boost support and quality education for communities that have less access to it can help balance it out for other races that this policy was supposed to help. It’s a balancing act, and totally will take some time. I’m happy to see us learn from and want to move forward with better policies for everyone! Healthy discussion is a great step forward and so encouraging.

[@labadaba5088]

The one thing is that certain communities value certain things other than other communities and while divisive and uncomfortable to think about, it is quite true.

[@0xedb]

There's a at least a story like this in every community. I just find the argument lazy. I got rejected...I think a "Black" kid took my spot because of affirmative action. Which kid? Errm let me find the low ranking "Black" kid to blame. I bet you could also find low ranking Asian students in the school but hey...blame the "Black" kid.

[@Keirosqeen]

So in conclusion, be like you are miserable and ask for things. Be it a an acceptance letter, a scholarship, a job.

[@TomNook.]

America's loss. Hope he still ended up at a top company

[@papayabyoure2948]

I think you should check your data on the wealth gap by race.

[@omara9205]

A year later, this debate has aged like milk.

[@TiminSE]

😂

[@user-yx4pr6nh3t]

😅😅😂 Exactly

[@Joenzinator]

Why do you say that?

[@omara9205]

Because Asians are realizing that less and less are getting accepted in college, after the defeat of Affirmative Action. They can't blame anyone now. @@Joenzinator

[@quentelhill5074]

​@@Joenzinator became they ended affirmative action and still saying they cant get in college because of race

[@stevenvillarreal8970]

I had a friend who was Asian American and didn't get into Michigan even though he had the grades and the SAT scores. Another person in their grade had subpar grades, and SAT scores but got in due to the legacy enrollment procedures. Really sad, I don't even think he went to college based on that decision a few years ago.

[@jbooops9646]

I definitely think that legacy admissions policies and practices are way more detrimental to the higher ed system than affirmative action. If the first didn't exist, the need for the other could lessen substantially (my opinion, not based on research).

[@susanfudge1737]

Tons of great in-state, public schools. No excuses.

[@perennialbeachcomber.7518]

@stevenvillarreal8970 *That's why UCLA Prof Michael Chang says:* "There's an irony when it comes to Asian-American students: *Elimination of race-conscious admissions* *isn't necessarily[ going to increase their chances of gaining admission, and could ultimately hurt them."* ("How Asian Americans Became The Center Of The Affirmative Action Debate").

[@chickenfishhybrid44]

College admissions is not solely based on test scores and grades.

[@SaharaKnows]

Why do Asian America just assume college admission is about a test score and grades. How good were their essays and recommendations, did they have leadership and extracurriculars, it’s so much more and they seem to not be able to grasp this

[@TheRepty818]

People at the top are very good at pitting groups of the middle class against each other.

[@TheRedc0met]

This is intentional to keep the majority in power.

[@renanbautista6222]

I was so thrilled back in 1984 to be advised I was accepted to my community college.

[@jrsun]

I’m Asian American and what he said about employers not recognizing schools outside the Ivy League is kinda delusional, but I understand his point. Good work.

[@joanhuffman2166]

It depends on the kind of work you are looking for.

[@gmog7857]

99.9% of employers do not even ask what school you attended. You talentless test taking, cheating Asians are the ones obsessed about IVY LEAGUE education. They just made the biggest mistake in their lives. Tests will not be a factor and we shall see what they will do next, lazy test takers.......................

[@ghostbird92]

He's a student so he doesn't quite know how the world works yet, but yeah generally jobs don't care where you went to school

[@huyiling0522]

Agreed. I understand his feelings but I think this "employers not recognizing my school" is a little bit weird.

[@tomy4453]

@@ghostbird92 You're just ignorant about the world. Employers care but depending on the field, how much weight it plays vary. However, one thing for sure, if you want to get into the best firm/company, having an Ivy pedigree will open doors. If you disagree to make you feel better about yourself, then you're in denial.

[@SarahPullenShehadeh]

As an adult in the working world, let me tell all the students out there, 99% of employers don’t care where you got your degree. They care if you can do your job well. And college doesn’t really prepare you for a job. 75% of my job I learned on the job.

[@JamesCPark-qf5xd]

Interesting point ! I'm still in high school and I'll like to ask you how to get an interview with employers because I thought if you graduate from elite uni, it would be easier to get a job interview.

[@SarahPullenShehadeh]

@@JamesCPark-qf5xd the best way to get interviews is through relevant internships/ apprenticeships and networking. My first job out of grad school, I had applied to but didn’t hear anything back. Then when my academic advisor realized that she had gone to college with someone on the board and reached out to them on my behalf, I was able to get an interview and land the job. But I kept the job because I was hardworking and teachable.

[@abysswatcher4907]

I have to agree with you. When I first went out looking for an SDE job with my perfect GPA in a top CS school, I am not even half as competitive as somebody who has prior work experience. After merely 2 years, things take a 180 degrees turn and tons of companies/startups start to reach out to me voluntarily.

[@MrDoesntUpload001]

I agree, people are paying hundred of thousands just for the name of the Ivy League school in their résumé

[@simonluvan4684]

as a 10+ years HR executives, I can tell you this is so not true. Ivy degree matters tremendously, and you won't even get any interviews from prestigious firms otherwise

[@DarongQi]

"When we only consider Socioeconomic Status without considering race, what we see is a drop in the enrollment of underrepresented student populations, especially African American students." If it's not the socioeconomic disadvantage causing the disadvantage in admissions, then access to prestigious universities, and subsequently better economic opportunities, will never address the issue at hand. We need to understand the root cause of this issue to create a true solution.

[@tailong9548]

Then one could assuredly conclude that a 'true solution' was never the intent to begin with. Could there be a deeper drama here? Hmm, I wonder...

[@Shutdownoftheday]

Because AA does not even benefit these groups. Holistic admissions looks at test scores and other factors like the school they went to. American education isn’t the same all around. Many black people that attend these universities had to fight hard to overtime their disadvantages. Also a study from Georgetown law showed that Asians do not benefit from removing affirmative action because they benefit from it. They would have marginal gains due to them just simply accepting more high test score applicants

[@yt_nh9347]

Black people don't value education like asian people do. They like basketball and being in street gangs and crime

[@RBZ-1]

They played themselves. They led the charge in building their own trap. 😂

[@donaldlyons180]

So he was accepted into two Ivy League Universities but wants to know why he wasn’t accepted into Harvard, files a lawsuit, then decides to attend a non Ivy League institution. Am I missing something?

[@ivan6990]

I think he said his friends got into there. He got into none

[@donjuanbanks4552]

@@ivan6990 ok even still he got into one…

[@donaldlyons180]

@@ivan6990 ok thanks for the clarifying, he still accepted into one where most people don’t get into any

[@o_s_byron2319]

I see nothing wrong with holding yourself to the highest standard

[@sunitafisher4758]

@@o_s_byron2319 🌸 exactly, don’t settle for less than you deserve. You have to stand up for your rights or get left behind. I’m sick and tired of bigotry and I really hope US becomes more like Europe and accept people based on their abilities and treat people fairly

[@martin2184]

Black students make about 7% of the total population in these Ivy League schools. Most of them major in non stem courses. The probability of these Asians getting denied is still high. There won't be a significant change in the acceptance rate. In fact, it'll be a big win for the smart black kids who'll take pride in their accomplishments without being labeled as beneficiaries of the system.

[@buttofthejoke]

they are literally beneficiaries of this racist policy. The removal of SAT scores, or lower threshold to qualify by race, is textbook definition of racism. DEI was supposed to ensure that black people weren't getting rejected because of their race, now they are getting accepted because of their race.

[@titandarknight2698]

@@buttofthejoke "getting accepted because of their race.' Whoa WHoa mait. You have to prove that another student was addimited who was black, replacing this student. Don't accuse random students of being accepted based on "race", without definite proof

[@justetip]

*mate*

[@chowdhury_138]

Admission should have been done on merit point. a black students get 50% mark, get​ chance to admit in a university.on the other hand a asian students do not get admission into university inspite getting sufficent number. This is pure discrimination based on races clearly. DEI is introduced to implement diversity during Different era. Now this is misused by Black community. Which is extremely benefited the rich Black Community rather than marginalised Community. @@buttofthejoke

[@fancyflower3298]

A very small percentage of students are selected through affirmative action. Not everyone can attend the same top Ivy. You’re life isn’t over because Harvard isn’t on your resume.

[@mmb8210]

when you’re super materialistic, and your only focus is money and prestige then yeah your life is over if you don’t get into Harvard

[@mq-r3apz291]

@@mmb8210 I for sure give zero f's about prestiege since this is how they milk ur money. I'm a roboticist but college is broken and it makes desperate and passionate people pay innexcusable prices because of that mindset of really wanting to do good in this world. Instead I'll be an electrician where you actually get paid aas a student and I still get to do a form of engineering and I can still do robotics aside. I aint lettin greedy college board steal my money lol

[@betterworld2958]

There are so many successful people who do not attend Ivy Leagues- there is too much hype surrounded by it!!

[@biglee13m]

If you had to choose a college on my resume, wouldn't you want the most recognized one like... such as Harvard? but imagine being in a certain ethnic group is a penalty. Uh oh? sounds like racism!

[@Unleashed_Beasts]

​@@mmb8210 Asian family always take pride in their children education so it's still a thing for them to get into top school

[@philjenkins1138]

I love the excuse of affirmative action as if there aren’t other students who were accepted from family donors. How about cracking down on that

[@vibhuiyer6984]

Both affirmative action and legacy admission are awful since they deny meritocratic factors of admission and instead take factors such as race, family legacy, etc. I really hope that SCOTUS will overturn affirmative action

[@evileyez504]

because they dont actually care about that, they care about the few black or hispanics or think lesser of who get in.

[@CaseyBurnsInvesting]

How about cracking down on both?

[@justanoman6497]

Had the schools be financially constricted, admission by donation might be good for everyone. In that while the one who donated got in, the money thereof also enabled two other people from getting in (that is to say the total donation added three slots which the donor only takes one) But given how much endowment a lot of the universities have.... I'm rather uncertain about the actual effects. This might be a thing for some developing countries and not the US. And ofc, even if financial constrict is a matter of consideration, this would only apply to donations that are public and honest. Private donations (bribes) does not benefit anyone other than the involved parties.

[@trollingizlife2298]

You know White people primarily benefit from that, (35% of all Ivy League students are legacy, and that’s the easiest way of being accepted, lol) so they’re not going to come for it like something that would benefit Black people, Hispanic people, and women.

[@whosyourdaddy5719]

A merit-based, blind application is all u need. Erease the applicants' name, race, and address while making decisions on admission.

[@openranks4519]

Most applicants are white so they’d still be selected and minorities left out

[@mike9771]

If you do that, probably 50% of student body would be Asians… and they don’t want that I guess.

[@earlwallace2015]

You are lying. It's either intentionally being done or ignorantly.

[@sunitafisher4758]

@@earlwallace2015 🌸 you keep saying that randomly are you special needs ?

[@sunitafisher4758]

🌸 Azeroth I absolutely agree, it really should be based on their academic abilities

[@TheAkumaChan]

Someone once said to me, “You should apply to Yale, you are exactly the type of person they are looking for.” I just realized how sad it was that my response was, “I would if I wasn’t Asian.” As we can all expect, I didn’t even try to apply to any Ivy league schools, I just accepted I would be discriminated against. I never felt anger towards it, but it is unfortunate.

[@markusrose9667]

Why didn’t you feel angry? That’s why the discrimination continues - it’s accepted.

[@majedtaleb3944]

What boggles my mind is that Asians continue to vote Democrats after all what left have done to you guys. From college admission to hiding the facts of violent crime against you.

[@elangbam3115]

America is inherently racists against Asians period

[@sohkathatch4081]

@@markusrose9667 Thats the difference between Asian Americans and other races in America. Other races quick to fight back while majority Asian Americans feel like our voice barely matter or it never did. To many discrimination acrossed the U.S have proven this. On top of that our parent be like know your place because its not our homeland (even tho i / we was born here lol) to interfere with Americans politics or everyday lifestyle.

[@markusrose9667]

@@sohkathatch4081 well… maybe it’s not your parents homeland but it is your country. Asian-Americans make great Americans. I like to see Asian align more with whites, actually. They have some common interests like a more meritocratic education system and less crime.

[@scottlindner2725]

It is estimated that anywhere from 25 to 35% of admitted students at Ivy League schools come from a family with a legacy status. That's a major thing for educational institutions that accept fewer than 10 percent of the students who apply.(THAT'S THE REAL ISSUE)

[@Myraisins1]

Unless there is some way to make admissions blind there will always be problems. Human beings will always show preference to their own group first. That is why Affirmative Action was created in the first place. Legacy admissions should be done away with. In fact, the entire "Ivy League" lots of money for college and heavy college debt has become a huge trap for many. I think many of my ivy league student interns in the medical field realized such when I was the one teaching and training them despite the fact that I went to state and city colleges. If you live in any U.S. city you will be serviced by doctors, lawyers and other professionals, many of whom were not even trained in this country. I hope people wake up to this money grab scam.

[@bobweiram6321]

As a friend of mine, who was devastated to find out he wasn't accepted to Harvard, told me, "Even an unfinished Ivy League diploma is like a huge wind behind your sail." Yes, it's not cheap, but its network along with the prestige is what makes it worth the expense. A fancy degree from a top school gives you the presumption of being highly qualified, even if you're in fact you're well below average. It will also swing doors open that are normally closed to the vast majority, such as landing you the job simply because having you on board makes the employer look good. All that said, the real problem is America's disdain for education, its misanthropy along its false meritocracy. The country is going through a shrekification where like the movie Shrek, it's mythologies and egalitarian narratives are crumbling fast, revealing a hideous unequal, violent, and woefully ignorant society. To the rest of the world, America is now a charade, a pied piper of tall fairy tales.

[@chengliu872]

"Humans will always show preference for their own group first" Then why would Asian people be so successful? They have little power in the selection process.

[@missalicesmiles]

That's not true. Most, possibly even all, international doctors need to redo their medical residency in America. For lawyers, NY and CA tend to be the most lenient but other states have much stricter requirements for foreign lawyers to sit for the bar exam

[@jimmoriarty4530]

Reservation for a group of people is discrimination against another group of people

[@TheSiprianus]

Affirmative action and the welfare state IS REPARATION, those are not to 'prevent human affecting their preference to their own group'. Those were created to implement policy based on victimhood class, and in this case based on race, regardless of how much they actually been a victim or even are they actually a victim or not.

[@fvr12345]

I think we need to level the playing field from K-12. If every public school in the nation had the same funding and quality of education, then there wouldn’t be the need to artificially balance things out during college admissions. Students have put in so much work to get into the top universities and it’s unfair to deny them of something they’ve already earned.

[@0xedb]

Finally! Hearing something that sounds more like a solution.

[@CaseyBurnsInvesting]

So if people have the capacity to excel we shouldn’t allow them to have a better education? So we end up collectively dumber? Sounds like a horrible idea if we want to nurture the gifted population and remain innovative.

[@CaraMarie13]

Well as long as this country continues to make the quality of your education contingent on your zip code and who is paying more property taxes, kids who are attending those low funded schools are f$$$$. And because this is America, that's very unlikely to happen anytime soon.

[@fspight28]

@@CaseyBurnsInvesting they said of every public school had the same funding and quality of education, nothing in that suggest that opportunities will be taken away from bright students. Quite the contrary because it will allow more students who have potential to be reached.

[@rr-yw1on]

But the thing is, kids don't live in school, do they? They live with their parents, at home, and all kids have different socioeconomic backgrounds. Even if all public schools have the same quality, it does not ensure every kid will absorb the education at the same rate. Asians have a culture that very highly appreciates high education, that's why there's a lot of that doctor and engineer stereotype. In African American male culture, however, there's this notion that going to school is 'selling out', and being school smart has a negative connotation.

[@xoxliltina12xox]

As an expert college counselor, I have lots of questions here. There is no mention of the actual level of reflection, writing style, cohesiveness, etc of his overall application. It is very entitled to automatically assume you must have been rejected for your race, when in fact, I see a lot of students with top scores who do not know how to write about their experiences in an elegant way, do not have the typical personality that that school is looking for, etc. He says he got into 2 Ivys, but that was not enough? Most people get into none. Just because you are a smart student does not make you what these schools are looking for. It is the whole package, the ESSAYS, the interview, etc. Scores and grades are just to get you into the room, but there are so many other details here that were not mentioned. I would actually love to see his essays and see if they meet the standards of my students who have gotten into these schools, Asian or not. Also, I am a Harvard graduate, and personally, the best part of school was that there were people from all backgrounds. It didn't feel like there was one race dominant over another. Eliminating affirmative action would have changed that entire experience and REDUCED the intentional diversity.

[@edmundlee4087]

If you’re an “expert college counselor” then you should know what the central part of the complaint in this lawsuit is and yet you don’t. So let me educate you so you can continue to pretend to be an expert. Harvard uses a nebulous “personal rating” score to triage the initial 60,000 applications. This score is given before the alumni interviews, before anyone has met the applicant. Yet Asian American students get overwhelmingly lower scores compared to whites, Hispanics, and Blacks. As Justice Alito just said in the supreme court hearings, either 1. Asians are in fact less personable or 2. There’s something wrong in the process of how that score is given., I.e. racially discriminatory. Given how competitive it is, that one low score is enough to have that applicant removed from any further consideration for admission. This tool removes a large number of Asian applicants from the pool right away. This is racism. It’s unconstitutional as the Court will prove.

[@solareclipsedudefinale9026]

"That was not enough?" Not everyone goes for prestige. There could be various reasons that it makes it his dream college. Maybe the campus, maybe the alumni or on-campus connections, or maybe the food.

[@kaliawright3475]

Thank you for stating what needed to be said. It’s perplexing that the experts on college admissions, have never worked in college admissions! Thank you for shedding light on how this process works. Your rejection from an ivy league school first comes down to statistics. MOST STUDENTS GET REJECTED. The 4%-10% that are admitted go through a holistic review. To assume that your race is what got you rejected from the most selective schools in the world is arrogant and not based on any evidence at all. Colleges are not entitled to share with students how they selected their incoming class. Asian Americans are the largest represented race at all ivys/selective schools as well. What about that indicates discrimination???

[@kakesmonster90]

Your points are easily the most logical themes to point to for this "Asian bias."

[@MannerofMagi007]

Wouldn’t it be some ish if all of this was propagandized and lauded only for the same amount of Asian applicants to get in or less. Since they really believe getting rid of it instead of being included is the problem of course…

[@the.magic.catbus9459]

In my graduate cohort of 28 people there are 2 black people (including myself) and the rest are split 50/50 between white and Asian. It’s a STEM program. This is a well known university but not an Ivy League. There are NO latino students. And this cohort was created with affirmative action. I applied for this program 10yrs ago. You know what I didn’t do… go after the school for discrimination. I just worked on my portfolio… also as a Black person … I’ve been discriminated against more times than I can count! Now that I’m in the program I feel the need to prove that I deserve to be there! So I got a 4.0 my first semester. My second semester starts in the fall. Without affirmative action maybe the following cohorts will have zero black or Latino people in them.

[@davadh]

I'm honestly happy that there are people who care about getting into certain college and hold them to certain standards. I never cared about college in high school. I only went because my parents wanted it. I made it through college and even graduate school with good GPAs. I got a job outside of my degrees and I'm happy with it. I really just went to college to make my parents proud.

[@cocofluff]

Trust me, rich white kids are still getting into Harvard with weaker grades than black students. college admissions will NEVER JUST be about grades.

[@julial3325]

Maybe the application process should be anonymous so that the colleges have no idea what race and/or gender the applicant is

[@sano1062]

Now that Affirmative Action has been stuck down they have no one to blame but the legacy admission policies. Affirmative Action was beneficial to everyone except the original target demographic.

[@cjfl1962]

Why aren't they targeting Legacy programs? That's the real reason they are not getting in.

[@warlockgod66]

Cuz Asians know they wouldn't get white support if they went after the legacy/doner program they're only complain about Black Americans but not Mexicans/other POC getting into ivy League. it overturned but by 2027 only thing people will see is a higher percentage of white people entering ivy league and getting accepted then they are going to try to play as the victim claiming they didn't know this will happened cuz everybody keep throwing out California got rid of it Asian students students were up to 40 to 50% but the problem they don't understand is those wasn't ivy leagues. The ivy league's help get connections to Power/ rich people throughout the corporate world we'll keep the power and influence in one major group of people. Somehow Asian think the white people are willing to give up that power to let more of them into the ivy league

[@tomsuh1362]

You dont need to get a degree from the top school to be successful in the real world. if you are good , you will success in the real world no matter what.

[@cecilym8552]

So true. Being Asian American myself knowing people that went to the top schools and no name schools, it really doesn't matter. What matters really is job experience. Having two young kids myself, I could care less about if they go to top schools after seeing how successful my friends careers are with degrees from no name colleges.

[@MPPG663]

He's being dishonest. He wants to be able to say he got into fill in the blank school. It's about bragging rights. To not get in is a kick in the ego.

[@sssssssss111]

Well he got accepted into an Ivy league school but is angry because he didn’t get the name brand school that is worshipped by those around him (HARVARD, YALE)

[@violentquacking7342]

@@sssssssss111 For real, some people don't recognize how good they have it and love playing the victim. He got into 2 ivy league schools anyways. Affirmative action clearly isn't hurting them as much as he's making it out to be. It's like a rich person complaining about being taxed fairly but still being plenty rich afterwards and all the while.

[@chengliu872]

Sure, but having one helps immensely.

[@SaharaKnows]

The fact that he is so focused on grades and test scores lets me know other parts of his application were likely lacking like his essay, recommendations, leadership and extracurriculars. College admissions is about the whole package not a perfect score assembly line. His inherent prejudice in assuming any black student is automatically not as qualified as an Asian person demonstrates the kind of prejudice that led to the systemic discriminatory policies that policies like affirmative action were intended to correct.

[@user-ni6py2qv4q]

Lol that narrative. Just because he's focused on grades and scores doesn't mean he is subpar in other aspects. That narrative is just as delusional as "certain races have lower IQs".

[@mr.gigagod9736]

Great idea! let's solve racism by continuing to be Racist! Problem solved :)

[@AC-ih1dr]

@@mr.gigagod9736 and exactly how is it racist?

[@mr.gigagod9736]

@@AC-ih1dr They are openly solving the "problem" of black opression 65 years ago by screwing over asians (another opressed group.) This doesn't solve rascism, its makes it worse. It sends a message to Asian-Americans whispering that "I am different". Race cannot be controlled, no one chooses it, so its foolish to expect something from it. I see no Asian-Americans defending Affirmative action, why do you think this is? And in this very commnet section, There people litterally claiming that Asians are taking over the US and they are all working for the Chinese government. Policies like this are proof that people of color can be rascist.

[@alexyou3233]

@@AC-ih1dr Having every asian has -5 personality -5 leadership -5 courage before the interview is not racist! Sure bro.

[@TheGogetassj]

This is a very tough situation to solve. On one hand, we shouldn’t punish kids based on their ethnicity. You don’t get to choose your ethnicity. On the other hand, we know that there are many less fortunate kids who would be rockstars if they had given the same opportunity as the wealthier kids. Maybe instead of affirmative action based on race, we can make it based on social economic status? But I’m sure there will be people unhappy about that as well

[@violentquacking7342]

Well said. Moreover, there needs to be more resources given to people of lower socioeconomic statuses so that they have a chance before college admissions, before high school, etc. Better schools, more extracurricular activities offered in those schools and in the neighborhood which make children both well rounded for the sake of a balanced life and for the sake of college admissions in the future. That being said though, there's always going to be someone who has more and someone who has less - winners and losers - haves and have nots. So while we want to give everyone an equal shot, the fact of the matter is that it's impossible to give everyone a chance. So what happens then? I guess it becomes a matter of how can we give as many people as possible a fair shot? Moreover, how should fair be defined? Equal opportunity? Equal outcomes? It's tricky because no matter what approach we take, someone is bound to get the short end of the stick. With affirmative action, it's the asian americans. With standard systems that reward meritocracy, it's the latinos and african americans. Who gets hurt the least? What is best for society in the short term and long term? How do we measure that? Another thing to consider with opportunities given to underrepresented groups is the performance of those students once they GET IN to those schools. Some might not be able to keep up with the work load, making it pointless to have them attend a rigorous academic program. Moreover, they might not fit in socially either. So while they want to diversify campuses, it might be a disservice to anyone who isn't represented enough, especially in the beginning when it's still new.

[@xStarstargirlx]

I feel the same way. I'm Asian but my family is seriously not wealthy. I couldn't do after-school hours activities because I didn't have a ride home due to my parents working. I have a special-needs brother and I was basically his supervisor during all of my school years. I did not have health insurance throughout my childhood. But I did have a relatively good childhood - I didn't suffer a lot (like I had food every day), I had great friends, didn't have cancer/illness, etc. If I studied super well and got 4.0 gpa, maybe I could have the chance to apply to any ivy leagues but... I feel like I would likely be rejected anyways since I didn't have much of a "personality" (was just an easy-going person when I was in high school) or "personal hardship" to talk about (maybe the closest thing would be seeing my parents work a lot - but I feel like these colleges would have heard that a billion times already).

[@AndreiFantastic]

Asians get mad at that too because most of them aren’t poor

[@TheGogetassj]

@@AndreiFantasticwell that doesn’t matter. Wealth isn’t a protected class like race/ethnicity. Universities can continue to discriminate based on wealth for the sakes of fairness and I’m 100% for it

[@THEanovah]

@@AndreiFantastic Most Asians and most Asian countries were dirt poor just a few decades ago. They overcame poverty and achieved economic development through hard work and determination.

[@45876]

My daughter's high school has 80% Asian student and the only one got into Colombia this year is a Hispanic student who has below average GPA and no SAT score submitted. He himself was so surprised that he only applied because his Asian best friend applied.

[@reahsahpagel3354]

People don’t realize Asian people was still discriminating against during affirmative action. And them taking it away made it way worse for them lmfao.

[@Drownedinblood]

​@@reahsahpagel3354asian people against aa got duped. Too many thought that once AA was removed , a meritocracy would magically appear, just forgetting how racist and classiest the us is.

[@mitchemcallahan6668]

Need to understand getting into Ivy Leagues isn’t that big of a deal and you’re not special for getting rejected. You’re also not that special for being accepted bc they focus on legacy admits

[@NowAndToEternity]

equal opportunity not equal outcome. Universities want to make sure there is a diversity in graduates. But by doing that they have to discriminate against some races to make room for other races.

[@meowrx33]

if your biggest oppression is not going to harvard but you REALLY need to step back and take a look at yourself

[@ShawnCheah]

got rejected from all us unis too. But we have to make the best of what we have, thankfully the uk came in clutch.

[@ms.fortune2957]

My question is will you help students from diverse races and backgrounds or just Asians? I have a special love for Asians, especially the ones I consider like family to me, but I'm just curious. I know, I couldn't go to China and purchase any real estate due to my race, nor will I get a fair trade purchasing beauty supplies and products whole sale, because of my race. The fact that Asians dominate the manufacturers while discriminating against other races, only selling products for less to Asians while charging others races a much higher rate is unethical. This has stagnated other ethnic groups from generating revenue in their beauty business, the very industry they created, and play a significant role in it's continuous generation of capital. We must practice what we preach, while fighting for equality and justice. I would love more than anything for affirmative action to be implemented in these areas as well. This leaves Asians Well, I'm concluding that I'm a strong advocate for affirmative action and it's a shame that this world is still in a place where Acts are necessary to attempt keeping somewhat of a balance in equality in a land that is suppose to be free.

[@babyqueenxo]

Will YOU help students of Asian and other races or just Blacks? The rift happened because Asians were discriminated against to benefit Blacks. Black people were happy with that. If Black people fought legacy admissions along with Asians instead of exploiting us, we all could've had equality. I love Black people but some need to reflect on how they are contributing to others before being entitled.

[@irisrivas6603]

I don't understand why is this guy even complaining about? He got accepted to 2 ivy schools. He is offended because he wanted to be accepted in all of them! That is arrogant, to say the least. He wanted to break a record or what? That is the way it is. In life you don't always get what you want!! When you apply to colleges, It is rare if you are 100% accepted in all of the schools. Cocky!

[@suslarry7]

As an non American I continue to feel annoyed that people chose to immigrate there despite all the racial politics they have there. I mean there's lots of Asian countries with great opportunities. Sorry but I just don't understand why ppl are still so hooked on the American dream

[@_NoHandle_]

A 2019 study in the National Bureau of Economic Research, found that 43% of white students admitted to Harvard University were: 1) recruited athletes, 2) legacy students, 3) children of faculty and staff, or 4) on the dean’s interest list - applicants whose parents or relatives have donated to Harvard. The study also found that about 75% of the white students admitted from those four categories, labeled 'ALDCs' in the study, “would have been rejected if they had been treated as white non-ALDCs,” the study said. And yet, Asian Americans are fighting against Affirmative Action...???

[@CaseyBurnsInvesting]

Two things can be bad at the same time.

[@visvamkandadaisrinivasan5190]

@@CaseyBurnsInvesting Fair but I argue that we should tackle the most pressing problems and what S W points out is the best way to get more Asians into Ivies and generally elsewhere is to limit the acceptance legacy students, students of faculty and staff, etc just on those factors.

[@CaseyBurnsInvesting]

@@visvamkandadaisrinivasan5190 Why not do both? Why leave the other (also easy to solve) problem unsolved?

[@Numb_]

It's a right wing talking point and it's just used by them to score some brownie points and potentially swing them over.

[@theendurance]

@@Numb_ No, YOUR rhetoric is swinging people over to the right. When the left says "anyone that disagrees with the left-wing identity politics agenda is racist, bigoted, white supremacist, blah blah blah", this is what makes people want to leave the left and align with the right.

[@abdulsesay6241]

This seems a little like entitlement. Because you got good grades and applied to a school means you are entitled to go there? Besides it’s not like they don’t admit any Asian American or white students, that’s usually the majority of the school, so I’m not sure where the discrimination comes in.

[@theendurance]

it comes from the fact that blacks and latinos get into top schools with MUCH lower scores and GPAs than asians

[@EwYoureCringe]

Yes, even at UC Berkeley where they do not consider race (it is illegal bc they are public) there are still a lot of Asian and white students that blame affirmative action. I think these people are just spiteful and looking for someone else to blame. I also think that it is simply racism because Berkeley only makes up like 2% Black students and these people think it’s impossible that a Black person could make it on their own merritt. If you were flat out rejected and not even wait listed you were not going to get in any way. Sorry your friends got in and you didn’t, they just had stronger applications 🤷‍♀️

[@KeepinItRealAllDay]

who gets the job when you interview someone for a company? The most qualified candidate. The candidate that cares the most and works the hardest. Get it?

[@EwYoureCringe]

@@KeepinItRealAllDay not necessarily. Jobs also look at personality, how well you would fit into company culture, how strong you are of a leader, if you bring a perspective that’s going to be valuable to the company, etc. These are important qualities in the professional world, it’s not just numerical scores.

[@DebraJohnson]

@@KeepinItRealAllDay They hire based on elitism and connections at a lot of the top companies in America. You can have years of qualifications and be highly skilled but they will hire someone they have an affinity with.

[@advancetotabletop5328]

I’m in my 50’s, and discrimination against Asian Americans in UC schools was around over 30 years ago. That said, the best thing you can do for your kid is to encourage their entrepreneurship and (somehow) get them into the family business. All a college degree is is the the first step in working for someone else so they can make money.

[@DonnieChoi]

We can't all be entreprenuers. Roughly 90% work for someone or a corporation.

[@mn8931]

Wait! I got something even better, the best thing you can do for your kid is to get them to become a multi millionaire. Done

[@carollynt]

There are many people who are not suited to entrepreneurship.

[@carollynt]

There are many people who are not suited to entrepreneurship.

[@carollynt]

There are many people who are not suited to entrepreneurship.

[@LewisLiu-fc7eg]

I’m Chinese, I study in Oklahoma. Small college . A lot sad and bad experiences and I can’t say anything about it. Being Asian live in USA is very hard. But im glad im still alive. Life is always hard for me, but this is life. Keep positive and move on. I’m still in Oklahoma having my terrible life which is not bad. I’m not asking for anything. I just Wish you guys can find your favorite school ❤❤❤ Best wishes

[@divinekpl1]

Don't live in Oklahoma bro

[@LewisLiu-fc7eg]

@@divinekpl1 I paid a lot , i need study here for a while,i paid study fee and housing i can not just leave. no matter what i need to stay.

[@divinekpl1]

@@LewisLiu-fc7eg Sorry bro. There are good people in Oklahoma. Find them and befriend them.

[@QQ251647742]

Yeah people in Oklahoma are too conservative and not nice.

[@HauTran-sunfromsouth]

Then move back to CHINA. US/WESTERN IS RACIST TOWARDS TO ASIAN SPECIAL BLAK AMERICAN IS MOST BLOODY AGGRESSIVE RACIST HATEFUL TO ASIAN!! It sad alots CHINESE & ASIAN YOUNGFUL STUDENT GET BRAINWASHED BY US/WESTERN MEDIA & MOVIES. But after landing in Us/Western they’re facing racist hateful & true facts, different side & real face of West. Alots of Student & Youngful Adults sale everything & move to US/Cana/Uk because of US/Western brainwashed liars make them believe US/UK have best education & better systems, freedom & liberty But their country is FLOODY BY HOMELESS, DRUGGIES, THUGS, GUNPOINT ROBBERY, THRIVES & CRIMINAL, EVERYWHERE!! US/Western Gorvement & Media successful at brainwashed their people & young generation become crazy mental ignorant, blind hateful by racist & DUMB-DOWN!! Us is fails & falling so fast so bad. WHY NOT STUDY IN TOP CHINA UNIVERSITY OR TOP KOREA UNIVERSITY??

[@McDreamyn_mdphd]

What is the most "fulsome" extra-curricular activities? As an IVY alum, I will say that there is a difference in extra-curriculars to "check the box" and extra-curriculars that are indicative of you life's passion. Working in a food kitchen for the homeless for 2 months in your junior year doesn't cut it. The reason is that the committee will likely wonder a) why did it take this person so long to engage in this type of activity and b) are they REALLY going to make it their life's passion? IVY alums across the country are regularly asked to meet with prospective students as a way to show them what it is like to become a member of our alum community. We are there not only to support your education through financial donations, but also to provide valuable resources after graduation, akin to a social contract if you will. When someone questions the volume of extra-curriculars, it is more to do with how those work in concert to promote academic, social, and overall human development toward their ultimate goals in life, whatever those may be. It is also good to challenge yourself, to put yourself in an uncomfortable situation to see how you will react. I had a classmate who transferred from a very wealthy public school in MA (Newton) to a highly impoveraged and largely lower performing school with a high student poverty rate. He did this because he wanted to become a civil rights lawyer and this was the best way to really learn about the background and plight of those he wished to help. I am not saying every Asian is doing their extras just to 'check a box' on their common app. What I am saying is that there are many extremely smart individuals applying to these elite schools, and the margin for acceptance is very tight. White, non-hispanics compose about 40% of the applicants to Harvard college, and Asians comprise about 30%, and African Americans around 15%. However, Asians comprise just 7% of the US population. I'll ignore the world population because it is certainly much higher, but let's just look into the US first. If your race/ethnicity has a 4x greater submission rate to anything, it is likely that the rejection rate is also going to be far higher, percentage wise. Each IVY must balance the quality of the applicant against the proportion of applicants from a given socio-economic strata. Put another way, KY house member Massie (R-KY) earned entrance to MIT undergrad. You cannot tell me that the admission board did not consider his "country roots" in their decision? Of course they did. Was this fair, well it depends on what type of student body and cultural composition you are targeting. Having a well-rounded education means having students exposed from those from different walks of life, all with the common denominator that they have the same bottom line level of intellectual ability. So, just as they consider race/ethnicity in the admission process, they also consider many other factors. Unfortunately, this generation of applicants believe that you have to tell the most tear-jerking story to illustrate just how much you have overcome in life. Again, the committee can easily sniff this out and provide a well-deserved rejection letter. Off my soapbox....

[@Ray-zc9ln]

This! Is the problem. They’ve said it again and again that the issue with most Asian American applicants are their extra curricular activities.

[@davy209]

Did it ever occur to Asian students that, just maybe, legacy admissions is a huge reason why Asian admissions are being marginally rejected in colleges than affirmative action? Affirmative action practices are scrutinized and have more stricter standards, while legacy enrollments are the least scrutinized. Statistically, legacy admissions are the most likely group to grant admissions to those who do not meet the basic requirements. As an Asian American, it’s incredibly frustrating to watch Asian students fight against affirmative action, while also willfully ignoring legacy admissions, which puts Asian students at a greater disadvantage while benefiting affluent white students.

[@novadhd]

The kid gets accepted into two Ivies and still complains against discrimination. 🤣

[@moewilson4605]

Every application should simply be assigned a number, and admissions simply based on their marks and extracurricular activities.

[@AL-PAKA]

And if you dont support blm you wont be admitted.

[@chrisk2734]

That would hurt white kids. Ain't happening.

[@kaylabaker7141]

And essays and volunteer work, ideals that match the school etc

[@cmdrwinnie]

I'm at a tech company and I can confirm they don't even do background checks because everyone hires their friends...lol. America overall is a scam. Get your money!

[@Wu-gj2py]

If they go after affirmative action, they should go after legacies too

[@user-os7uv5bf9h]

But y’all don’t get it. The reason why they don’t go after legacies is because they want their kids to go to these schools as well. That’s literally what it is. They we taught to fight for this and so are their kids.

[@LiLi-cu9io]

Really sad that people are judged by race not by merits.

[@All-gp3tt]

Why ASIAN student with SAT of 1590 can't even accepted by an IVY league College and Black and Brown has those given privileges?

[@TomikaKelly]

Because Ivy Leagues care about more than just SAT scores...

[@cccspwn]

@@TomikaKelly Race shouldn't be a factor. Period. If you want more representation in these schools, be better.

[@All-gp3tt]

@@TomikaKelly So, what else is more important than Grade? Why Race is part of the selection criteria? 1400 can be selected due to Black and Brown? There is no justice.

[@All-gp3tt]

@@TomikaKelly If this is in a corporate world, these Companies can't compete and will bankrupt

[@alicechase9290]

I wrote a paper similar to this for my class assignment, idk if anyone wants to see it, or where I can post it, it's fairly understandable to the mast audience though, when I researched it I found out that not a lot of research have been done on these subjects compared to the African Americans, Hispanic population, even though the health barriers, language access, affirmative actions, are major issues for the Americans of Asian descent.

[@mountainman6172]

@@kju666 Well whatever other minorities communities champions, 99.8%, it trickles down and whatever law is passed it is usually broad that it covers all the communities that fall under the 'minority' group. From my research, Asian American (East Asians) are very selective and whatever issue that they protests they always make sure they get a satisfactory outcome for them and them only; rarely do you see any solidarity.

[@hillsongbest3818]

Can i read it. Perhaps create a link to the writing ?or i give u my email here?

[@alicechase9290]

@@hillsongbest3818 Yes!! Can you give me your email

[@elleszabo8655]

post it on medium! pls

[@EP-nk5wm]

I’d like to read your paper. Sounds interesting. Did you post it somewhere?

[@swlivinlegend]

how did this story never bring up legacy admissions or did I miss it

[@earlwallace2015]

That's being intentionally left out. America has never had an merit based system and it never will.

[@justinle998]

What are legacy admissions?

[@eightfoottallman]

@@justinle998 if someone's parents / grandparents went to this specific college, that means the person applying could get in due to that.

[@MPPG663]

He's not dumb. He knows criticizing a system that benefits blk/poc would be welcome by many. But, to criticize a system that overwhelmingly benefits yt people would make him a target and leave a stench on him for many years.

[@bensonfang1868]

there are other stories. This is bad too

[@alexisl9426]

America should just get rid of legacy enrolments.

[@gt4real377]

If I built a club with my friends and we make rules that benefit my friends that join ; then you come along and apply to my club , you want us to vote against ourselves?? Lol 😂😂😂😂😊😊😊😊😅😮😂😂😂😂😂

[@julias.271]

If this was really about fair admissions, they would also go after legacy admission.

[@user-vm4he3gk3c]

@@kju666 you’re not the brightest….. the kids that apply to ivy leagues basically have the same gpa and they literally do admit ppl based off their essays and extracurriculars

[@solareclipsedudefinale9026]

There are some people going against that

[@JB4C89]

He is allured by the prestige and is mad he didnt get in despite being the perfect student. Michael, you didnt get in period, its not because you are Asian. If this is overturned, this will REALLY reduce Uni/College enrollement for Black and LatinX students. It sounds like folks against this want to make this about them. He isn't being discriminated against.

[@towhitby1]

Black and LatinX just wouldn't get in anywhere if there wasn't affirmative action....

[@lesliekim253]

@@towhitby1 Quiet! You are now about to be called out as a racist!

[@cblw14]

Right. He needs to sit down.

[@EngineerFormidable]

Lol why do you need these crutches ? Are you saying black and Latinx can't make it on thier own ?

[@JB4C89]

@@EngineerFormidable Because historically (till this day) University and College was inaccessible to anyone who was not white male. Especially Ivy League schools, you should read up on it. The Civil Rights era PAVED the way for all minorities to gain access to better housing, education, jobs a better life. Its why folks love the US, you can do achieve anything here, but the silver lining is its founders and leaders are racist af. So yes those so called "crutches" you named help MANY people. Who wants to live a life without accepting help? No one can, especially if its a law that makes your right to receive it so you, your family and future generations can prosper.

[@jmaxsupreme3524]

I have literally never been asked what university I went to on a single job interview

[@nancyjanzen5676]

I have on every job. They wanted the names of my schools back to 1st grade.

[@cmdrwinnie]

I'm at a tech company and I can confirm they don't even do background checks because everyone hires their friends...lol. America overall is a scam. Get your money!

[@helloman3676]

That explains what kinds of job you're interview for 😂😂😂High level positions vs Entry levels

[@O_Canada]

Because its on your resume? 😂

[@iseeflowers]

Actually I have seen applications that wanted people from Ivy League or top school. Not that frequent but I have seen it before.

[@engineermom7604]

What about legacies, donors, or student athletes at Ivies?

[@CaraMarie13]

I wish they would do a video about why people are so obsessed with attending an ivy league school. Like i went to a community college and then a public school, till this day no employer has looked at my resume and said "you went to a community college, you aren't the right material". Like i get the prestige but it's what you make of your degree. Also, as long as public schools in this country continue to be funded the way they are, separating race from the equation is going to be very difficult, even impossible. Race is very correlated with social economic status in this country. In NYC at least, a poverty map and a demographics map showing the race and ethnicity will look so similar at first or second glance you would think they are mapping the same things. This issue should obviously be addressed but i would prefer a system that doesn't zone schools based on property taxes since home ownership is correlated to social economic status which is in then correlated with race. So if you don't understand that and just say it should be based on merits, you will find yourself in a loop.

[@minhquando100]

Well the obsession with an Ivy League university isn’t completely ridiculous. No, employers don’t really care that much about what school you went to, however, going to Ivy League schools open up more chances to make friends and network with people in the fields and industries you’re trying to get into. For example, at my school, George Mason University, most of our engineering and CS grads end up working at government contractors whereas at Stanford, CMU, and Harvard, the opportunities to connect with engineers from Google, Microsoft, etc are much more prevalent because a lot more of their alumnus work in those companies and some of those companies were even started by the alumnus of those schools. Now I’m sure engineering grads at GMU aren’t really complaining because government contractors do pay engineers pretty well compared to other professions, but it’s nowhere near the salaries that are offered by Silicon Valley tech companies and Wall Street high frequency trading firms. And tbh you can seriously make an argument that network effects are much more important to securing a job than your education.

[@CaraMarie13]

@@minhquando100 I agree that the clout from attending these schools is great but you can land a job in tech with no degree. And while the people who obtained any CS degree benefit from having professors and placement centers who can connect you with someone in a faang company, attending an Ivy league school school shouldn't be pushed as the only or best way to get those jobs or make those connections. And specifically when the students are 17 or 18 and see an ivy league education as superior to other forms of schooling. I remember when I was in community college feeling embarrassed and like i failed even though I decided to go there for financial reasons and had gotten into multiple private universities. Today i can look back and recognize that that single decision saved my financial life and introduced me to a large network of people.

[@suzygirl1843]

If you want crimes rates to drop and overall improvement of America, yes, social aspects of race factor in. Asians are smart and strategic and business orientated. Other than STEM why else enter college?

[@TwiinStar1224]

You went to a community college and public school, and I can tell you have more sense than a lot of people who went to those big name schools. I don't know you Cara Marie, but I like you!

[@harveylin3548]

Sorry to let you know, no employer has done that to you because the position you are applying to has no influence on such a questions as where you went to school. Try one day applying for a C-suite spot where one of the owner of the company came from an Ivy, let me know if your resume even gets pass HR regardless of your career accomplishment please.

[@moortekweb]

Looks like he just only had good scores so he expects them to hand him a seat for that and that’s the problem it’s just just academic scores. They look at more things. Just because you have a perfect score doesn’t guarantee you a seat.

[@bryan-rl9hd]

why are they in this headspace, that if you're not in an ivy, the world will end. Okay, so what if you didn't get in, apply to another school and guess what life continues.

[@patoises]

a fair system is one that only consider merit and the factors that can influence the achievement of merit (e.g. social economic historical background). Race should not be a factor

[@stevebren88]

And they should be fighting to equalize that at a high school level, in which the entry doesn't factor in later life applications ( no one puts down what highschool they went to as a positive factor when trying to get a job)

[@earlwallace2015]

You are lying. It's either intentionally being done or ignorantly.

[@tawanamufasa291]

. Comming from a bad backgorund but have having loads of potential is a real thing. A private school student can afford to do many extra circulars and private tutoring Where as somone from a poor backgorund may have to work extra jobs to make ends meet. Solely merit means people who traditionally come from poor backgrounds due to oppression and racism e.g black and Latinas are automatically disadvantaged

[@chengliu872]

@@stevebren88: race isn't a factor in high school so I don't see what you are talking about unless you are demanding equity as opposed to equality.

[@stevebren88]

@@chengliu872 literally the opposite of what I was saying.

[@wrvpgod2155]

So this man got into two ivies and still complained??? Yale has more than twice as many Asian people than Black people, despite Black people making up a much larger percentage of Americans and he’s still complaining? And most schools don’t even fat got in race when it comes to international student admissions…. Most international students are coming from Asia….

[@americanidiotinchief259]

Yes it could be 30 times as many asian than black, but if they still use race as consideration it's still unacceptable. And why do they give more opportunities to international students than to american ones?

[@delorbb2298]

I don’t get the immediate jump to “I didn’t get in so it’s about my being Asian”. Or “an unqualified black person took my place”. Sometimes you don’t get in because they didn’t want you.

[@SaharaKnows]

The inherent prejudice in assuming that just because they are black they were unqualified. Harvard is not letting in bums of the street. Black students admitted still have to have a strong GPA, high test scores, strong essays and recommendations.

[@friendforlife3321]

Welp, on a positive note at least we don’t have to hear the annual “I got rejected from Yale, I had a 4.7 GPA, speak three languages, and play the violin; it must be affirmative action” tweets. No excuses now. The four black students can no longer steal your spot at Yale.

[@lenforstell1139]

LMAO Yale is crap

[@god-son-love]

Equality is the fundamental value of this nation, at least it is what is taught in high school and written in the constitution. Unfortunately, Asian kids grew up knowing it's just a facade.

[@nothinglastsforever0000]

Selective equality for the benefits of a few.

[@TooHonest4_You]

Hmm funny you said that African Americans been saying the same thing for 100s of years in America. If it wasn’t for MLK for the 1964 civil rights act, Asians still would not been able to get citizenship

[@marcuswaters2566]

Got rejected Upenn grad school this year and then got accepted at Carnegie Mellon

[@pepperdayjackpac4521]

As an Asian American in college who didn't even bother to apply to an ivy league bc of money, I am genuinely confused about what I just watched. Ima have to google what affirmative action means

[@lilyflower5576]

Yeah this is messed up. they need to get rid of this

[@KN-eh2fh]

I think in the future no race question should be asked in the application. Just based on school performance and other academic related factors.

[@Mr.Lucess]

I agree 🙏🏻

[@melaninfuture]

This didn’t age well.

[@user-yx4pr6nh3t]

😅😅😅 Exactly

[@omara9205]

Like milk.

[@roadracerdave7645]

can someone fill me in on why this didn't age well? they banned affirmative action in 2024, right?

[@Codi892]

​@@roadracerdave7645 Because they didn't think about their names. The guy featured is Michael WANG! With or without Affirmative Action they already know he's Asian. Plus Affirmative Action was keeping the legacy students out. Now with AA gone the Ivies can still wait-list Jennifer Yang while C average legacy Jennifer York gets accepted.

[@thedog5k]

how?

[@validenough]

I heard in a news debate that Asians should get 200 points more than black students. How's that fair and equality?

[@user-zg9oo5bj4f]

Rejected from Harvard? Harvard gets 62,000 applications for 2,000 slots. Do you think you know why you were rejected from Harvard. Think about your SAT test scores. Only ten percent of applicants with perfect (1600) test scores were admitted. Ninety percent were rejected. Let me explain why. Parents who hire a company to write essays, letters of recommendation, for their precious little darlings. The ones who game the system and aren't discovered, they get the spots.

[@JetBlackBerry]

Having a 4.0 and playing the piano in hs doesn't make you smarter than someone with a 3.5 who maybe gave in to peer pressure. It just means you had no social life and don't stand out. You're not Harvard material.

[@gamerztacz6689]

The perfect comment, exactly!

[@buckodonnghaile4309]

@@gamerztacz6689 Still pretending you graduated high school eh? Better luck next time bucko.

[@solareclipsedudefinale9026]

Could you explain how someone who gave in to peer pressure makes them a qualified applicant? It is quite baffling that having a problem and talking about it somehow makes one more qualified than someone else who had the grit, passion, and dedication to spend plentiful hours on working hard, studying, and bettering their extracurricular skills, but may not have a story about their life obstacles. The 4.0 person could've spent a lot of time practicing piano and mastering repertoire, which shows their hardwork and dedication, skills very desirable in the industry, but it would all be downplayed because someone else mentioned something that makes their application "different". Sure, its "different", but different doesn't mean more qualified; the same way an application that doesn't have anything "unique" doesn't automatically make them a less qualified applicant.

[@Julie-qr9ow]

He got rejected by 2 ivies so he sued…. I can’t with rich kid entitlement.

[@SomeRandomHobo44]

Personally, i think there's two things to address: - in the beginning of the video, he talked about the worries of going to a school not many people have heard. It's not like if you don't get into Harvard then you're screwed from landing jobs... there are smart and dumb people at every school. - him getting into 2 ivies then not going to either (after him just talking about name recognition lol). he's wasted a lot of time picking this fight and getting others involved. could've used the time he's spent so far for something muuuch better...

[@sssssssss111]

And also got ACCEPTED into two! But those were too lowly for him. Harvard and Yale are the only ones that matter

[@bensonfang1868]

if a black student with similar profiles got accepted that is unfair

[@user-vm4he3gk3c]

@@bensonfang1868 y’all are so racist black ppl aren’t the only minority news flash all these kids have the same grades

[@astoldbychrisv9464]

@@bensonfang1868 Why did you only single out black people? If any race with the same profile got accepted, then it wouldn't be fair.

[@jackya6752]

He missed the point it’s not affirmative actions, it’s legacies and members who donate sums of money to the university who get in, hence white privilege students

[@sa34w]

Legacies fund for activities, affirmative action candidates are just charity cases lacking merit

[@jackya6752]

@@sa34w we can say the same thing about legacy students. They lack merit money only gets them in without any hard work

[@tommyjuneau6329]

My kid learned to read at 2

[@jacqueslee2592]

He got rejected because he was outcompeted by someone who is of the same race.

[@vikix981]

So you’re saying Asians should have their own pool just because of their race? They can’t be compared to everyone else just because he’s Asian?

[@soojoe]

Interesting video. There’s definitely no way to make this completely fair. Some applicants have advantages incoming to college and test scores definitely reflect it. Hopefully colleges can develop a way to make acceptance more fair or standardized.

[@cinnamonstar808]

the UNTOLD story here is that a ton of Asian students cheat. and the Universities know this "group cheating" goes on. the same way the Universities know wealthy parents pay off Admins to get them in school. = THE ISSUE HERE IS NOT COLLEGE ACCEPTANCE 3:41 it getting into his preference IVY league. as "smart as he is" he can shine in ANY university or community college. 👉🏽 👉🏾reputation over merit = is what he is asking for. when you have to work THAT HARD to get A's maybe you arent high IQ afterall. I got A's doodling and playing on my phone in class. Stereotypes are dangerous. which Asian country can he go in a "flex" like this. "smart asian students"sterotype DO NOT EXIST IN ASIAN COUNTRIES The same way "Im white and I said so " dont exist in Europe . right to the back of the line they go.🙂

[@jimmoriarty4530]

Reservation for a group of people is discrimination against another group of people

[@soojoe]

@@jimmoriarty4530 Do you think schools in the USA should give priority to USA students?

[@Zeegoner]

There is. Just because one child had a tutor and the other didn't, doesn't entitle the disadvantaged child admission into a higher-ranked school.

[@jimmoriarty4530]

@@Zeegoner if thats the case give free tutors to students who don't have such opportunity, not free admission to college at the expense of students who earned it with their hardwork

[@reignmkr64]

Wait? He was accepted to TWO ivy league schools!?! Wow. The ones that rejected him did a GREAT job recognizing he wasn't a good fit. What an ingrate!

[@lalida6432]

I applied to a school in the 1980s, back then, their attitude was just, 'we have enough Asians.' First lesson on what being Asian-American is. Brutal, but so. Nobody said 'maybe we shouldn't have quotas' because the African-Americans were benefiting.

[@tflg3257]

Black Americans only benefited the first decade the idea originated. After that it was totally hijacked by white women, "people of color" and black immigrants. All of you are lucky I'm not the lawyer in any of these cases, you would have to show me actual black Americans who benefited. Parasitic think tanks and parasitic nonprofits are who brings these lawsuits. And you all continue tiptoeing around the fact that certain schools will remain majority white, no matter what. That's why these cases don't amount to anything.

[@TomikaKelly]

White women benefit the most from AA. If they didn't accept you, it's likely they simply didn't want you.

[@wayneblack4085]

Whites aren’t going to let their Ivy League and southern schools look like their west coast schools where Asians are over represented 😂😂😂😂😂

[@SaharaKnows]

Brutal? You clearly weren’t paying attention in history class on the lessons on systemic discriminatory American policies that prevented qualified African Americans from going to certain colleges. Affirmative action was instituted to correct a systemic issue and should never have been expanded to include other “people of color” groups that didn’t have the same disadvantage levied against them. You aren’t automatically qualified because you are Asian and a black person isn’t automatically less qualified because they are black and to think that exposes you level of ignorance and is actually just as racist.

[@yeetian2774]

Let the grades talk instead of race

[@ctlspl]

How about not judging people by their race? How about judging people only by their abilities.

[@labadaba5088]

Well, progressive leftists are quite angry about that. See Critical Race Theory and white fragility and all that.

[@ctlspl]

@@labadaba5088 They are deeply racist.

[@iROChakri]

Already happened. The top schools were full of Yellow students, then White students, but very few Brown students and 2-3 Black students.

[@ctlspl]

@@iROChakri What’s wrong with that? Why should stupid people go to university anyway?

[@tawanamufasa291]

Comming from a bad backgorund but have having loads of potential is a real thing. A private school student can afford to do many extra circulars and private tutoring Where as somone from a poor backgorund may have to work extra jobs to make ends meet. Solely merit means people who traditionally come from poor backgrounds due to oppression and racism e.g black and Latinas are automatically disadvantaged

[@rav8149]

AA is as absurd as considering eye color for admissions

[@jamieson88]

It doesn’t make sense to solely blame Affirmative Action as the reason for his rejection and not a host of other factors, from donor status, athletics, legacy status, first generation, etc. To single out the Affirmative Action shows that this is not based on making the playing field fairer, but biasing it in favor of privileged people who only care about gaining admission to an Ivy League university. If Affirmative Action is in whole or part predicated upon racial identity in order to achieve formerly lacking (or banned) diversity, how does that squarely harm Asian student? Are spaces that go to underrepresented groups somehow supposed to go towards Asian students for some specific reason?

[@88ashjen]

I’m sorry the amount of Asian Americans who complain about AA but fail to realize legacy admissions are the problem. Checking a box to look diverse when it’s still no diverse is not your problem. The issue will still exist. Allowing all to have equality in programs and education without race will benefit society more than complaining about race and who benefits more than others.

[@lorenzomizushal3980]

this is called whataboutism. yeah maybe raise that issue next? why can't we fight both fights?

[@denisebycapricorn]

​@@lorenzomizushal3980😂😂 You are pathetic

[@antonias7637]

EVERY APPLICANT GET ASSIGNED A NUMBER. NO GENDER, NO RACE, NO WHATEVER CONSIDERATION. GET ADMITTED ON MERIT ONLY. LET THE RECORD SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES. PERIOD

[@misspiscesdreamz]

How do they rate an application? Do they give students points for each section?

[@teetime3421]

My Black son was a AP scholar, a national merit scholar, a PSAT scholar, had a GPA of 4.56, state champion in speech and debate, national finalist in speech and debate, while being from a single parent home with a mother who has a chronic disability that impacted his life significantly. He didn’t get into Harvard. Who should he blame!?!? Get over it!!! If anything, direct your actions towards legacy students who are very very underqualified, but still get into these elite universities because of their parent’s wealth. I guess it’s always easier to kick down!

[@friendforlife3321]

EXACTLY! THANK YOU

[@user-pu1iu7sc3y]

What you said is very true. However the main reason why Harvard lost the case is because statistically speaking, there were significant discrimination against Asian students. Not just one individual case, but in big picture. “In the Harvard admissions process, “race is a determinative tip for” a significant percent of “of all admitted African and Hispanic applicants.” For example, John Roberts, chief justice, mentioned that academically bottom 40 percent of black students had higher chance to get accepted into Harvard than academically top 10% of Asian students.

[@teetime3421]

@@user-pu1iu7sc3y That still doesn’t answer my question. Who should I blame? The bottom line is he was more than qualified to be admitted into Harvard, but he wasn’t. I’m sure there were many less qualified students who were admitted. Who should I blame?!?

[@user-pu1iu7sc3y]

@@teetime3421 i guess you could blame admissions office of Harvard.

[@teetime3421]

@@user-pu1iu7sc3y The big picture is under qualified students are admitted to Harvard every year, and many are not Black and Brown. It’s common knowledge that this lawsuit was funded by wealthy, white conservatives. Why would Asians allow themselves to be used to take away one of the very limited opportunities that Black and Brown people have? As I said before, my son was not admitted and I know other less qualified people of all races made the cut. Those are the breaks, it’s wrong to single out Black and Brown people and blame them.

[@tyronebost2743]

How many white kids did he outscore?? Nobody is saying but 75% of legacy students are average students. I’m not as smart as Mr. Wang but I’m smart enough to know that I can’t get into Harvard or Yale just because I’m black. I hope he’s smart up to know that if not, maybe he doesn’t belong there. Let’s stop fooling ourselves. There’s a lot of discrimination going on in these Ivy League schools and it’s not being done by Black people so please stop scapegoating them.

[@pedrofromrio645]

Ah, yes. Imagine how self righteous you have to be to tell Asian Americans that you know what is best for them.

[@jimbosley]

This is not really about who gets to attend college. It's more about who gets to attend eight or so universities that are considered the most prestigious by some fading print publication. I'm not sure what the answer is to this controversy but I am also not about to invest too much time worrying if some nerd has to go to UT Austin or UCLA instead of Harvard when everyone knows there is no real difference. Stop making someone's bourgeois fixation with name brands a national crisis.

[@jackjohnson4386]

+jimbosley Are you kidding? There's a huge difference. Not in the quality of education - that's the same. The difference is in connections and networking for jobs. Simply having the Harvard name on your resume is a big deal for jobs and graduate schools. Having access to Harvard alumni grants you all kinds of advantages in life. And if you're primarily concerned about yourself, think about how affirmative action affects the quality of the doctors who take care of YOU. When you go to the doctor, do you want the person who got into medical school on their own merit, or someone who got in simply because they are a woman, black, or latino (not saying all people in those groups got in via AA, but many did). Think about it - this issue does affect you in lots of ways.

[@lefromthecity]

Soooo, he still got into two ivy leagues…just not the ones he wanted. Just wondering if …anyone else caught that. Idk what to say about this yet, but I’m not understanding the lack of focus on legacy applicants that get a huge unfair advantage that affects all students’ access to these institutions.

[@codebrker24]

I caught that too, and did you catch that he was more interested in the cache of Harvard, so he "wouldn't have to explain himself"? The kid is delusional because he is always going to have to explain himself to someone sometime in his life.

[@cblw14]

Exactly.

[@lenawagenfuehr53]

His whole case falls apart on the basis of that fact. Poor me, got into an Ivy, but not the one I wanted! Cry me a river! His lack of ethics makes him pointing out systemic issues less credible.

[@meowrx33]

bro really said “where is my acceptances”… yeah, you just don’t belong at an ivy 💀

[@riku1neo]

While I think he means well, there is no way to make this process truly "fair." You would have to literally eliminate private schools, tutors, rich parents and plenty of other things that give some kids advantages over others. If you have a kid with a 4.0 and a 30 ACT with a surgeon father and stay at home mother and a kid with a 3.7 and a 28 ACT who worked a job in high school to support his single mother, volunteered at his church and has great personal skills who would you take? Some people make take the latter and give him a chance. Why is there something wrong with looking at the whole applicant?

[@user-mi1jv1ov5j]

Your comment is neither here nor there. The question you pose has NOTHING to do with the issue raised in the video. There is no way to make the process fair, I agree, but there are ways to make the process fairER and NOT RACIST. You're talking about life experiences and opportunities, which 100% impact how well a student does and definitely give some a leg-up. That's not related to the issue of race. A more apt scenario to pose would be if you had a kid with a 4.0 and a full mark ACT with great personal skills who was Asian vs. a kid with a 3.7 28 ACT and good personal skills but was non-asian, in which case admissions officers would unfairly admit the non-asian.

[@oscarrada7475]

I think personality and overall likability are valid as partial criteria - your demeanor says a lot about who you are and how you’ve been able to process all the societal effects surrounding you. It’s not just about grades and extra curricular activities - admissions require much more than just a ‘checklist’ that your robotically check off because your parents forced it upon you. Colleges want to know that there’s a well rounded individual coming to attend that will contribute to the community and culture as a whole. This kid in this video is clearly being pushed into this role due to the pressures of having a doctor as a dad.

[@chey6073]

Indeed! The same is true for job interviews. The statement at 6:17 combined with Michael’s fear about his employer not recognizing what college he went to makes me believe that he’s been taught all of the wrong things about how college preps you for success.

[@anabelsanchez4605]

A lot of people go to the top public university in their state and go to the ivys for post grad and do great. Imo the bachelors degree is the new high school diploma. Go public and then take on debt for post grad at a ivy if necessary.

[@edmundlee4087]

I love this answer and it may well be the most realistic and practical advice through all of these controversies.