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[@jubilee]

Hi Goodhumans! Thanks for watching this episode of Middle Ground. In this episode, we wanted to highlight the conflict and underlying tension between East Asian Americans and Black Americans, which is why the casting choices we made were focused on East Asians. We hope this conversation gave you a glimpse into a topic that isn't often discussed. We learned a lot from making it! Thanks as always for your support!

[@TKN_FORZE]

Do Black Americans vs African Americans or Indigenous latinos vs white latinos.

[@FriedrichBarb]

Your videos are only making more people racist overall, focusing on race so much is not productive, its genuinely brainwashing your audience into believing its still the 1950s But if your agenda is to make more people racist and embrace tribalism, then you're doing a excellent job

[@Simeautomatic100]

*Can we have a B.A.'s vs BP across the Diaspora (More particular, those who came here & live in the USA)????*

[@hallabajwa9325]

South Asians do exist jubilee

[@micahisbetter]

Goodhumans honestly I have never heard of that but I like the name😭✋🏽

[@user-qc1km4uw2s]

one time black kid called me - "whats up Jackie Chan" and I replied - "Not much Samuel L Jackson" and we became bros

[@musicworldnow365]

That is amazing, I wish we had more stories like yours in the media instead of one sided race baiting mess.

[@user-qc1km4uw2s]

@@musicworldnow365 I know a lot of black dudes. schools, army and in civie. I remember all their names. the ones on the news are just... a bit misguided. They save my ass, I save theirs. same stuff.

[@uyagraph]

Lol love this

[@venus7286]

You're sweet

[@jaakunaokami2981]

Did you two make a Rush Hour Movie Film?

[@DiannaMarie92]

The Asian man getting choked up understanding her pain really got to me.

[@MegumiHayashida]

Same

[@quinn4427]

@kranj doo ?? What does that have anything to do with her comment. The Asian man was getting emotion in the video because he acknowledges that asians are more privileged than black people and sees her pain.

[@MaybeLily1234]

A true empath

[@EKL_22]

Same and I really don't like to cry 😢

[@weiwenwwe2066]

More victim card coming their way

[@dannyy8619]

I just cant get past how bad the questions were for this one. To make it all about anti blackness among Asians and to not even remotely challenge anti Asian sentiments, biases among the black participants really represents the broader narrative of this country.

[@kitejohnson515]

Blsck people don’t have anti Asian sentiments they literally support all of their businesses so they can stomp on black when they make it

[@nemonymous89]

Yeah,America loves to ignore the lopsided direction of interracial violence in these segments.

[@alexcanning5383]

I agree but it’s only a 20 minute video.. it’s tough to delve into topics when it’s such a short video

[@morganjanaeee]

what do you mean

[@TKBell1970]

@@nemonymous89 Violence is inherently American. There are lots of ignorant people and they all should be highlighted. If you want to see a more “balanced” segment then create a more balanced segment.

[@21andyyc]

I'm Asian and I've had a black girlfriend, white girlfriend and Asian girlfriend. When I went to my black girlfriends house her brothers would make fun of me openly about being Asian but didn't have any negative intent. When I went to my white girlfriends house, her parents would be verbally nice but stare at me with disapproval. When I went to my Asian girlfriends house her parents would ask me how much money I make and if I can help their son get a job. Everyone has their stereotypes and are racist to some degree. Your viewpoints are shaped by the world around you and how you are treated by a certain group/race will shape how you interact with them and your feelings towards them.

[@dellabella3644]

A discussion between Africans and African Americans* would be great for a video! Edit: */ Black Americans

[@maleahj308]

That's a needed discussion

[@debraidehen]

Yesssssss from an African!

[@Isinforblood]

Facts fr

[@Peridium]

YES. This is not addressed enough.

[@Princess0ftheLight]

Yes, this is an issue that needs to be addressed. First generation African vs Continental African vs African Americans.

[@rizaaliyah]

People fail to recognize that Southeast and South Asians exist, whenever they hear “Asian” they think lighter skin, they think Korean, Japanese or Chinese.. Whenever i mention to someone that i’m Filipino, they go “so you’re not Asian?” like ??? Asia is not a monolith. In fact, it is incredibly diverse.

[@poojas7869]

YES!

[@Username-lt7lt]

It's because they're ignorant and have never listened in history class.

[@PyanY]

Yes!

[@dorkability]

I think future Jubilee videos need to differentiate between East Asians and South Asians. These are two completely different experiences. It's like saying Latinos and White Americans have a comparable experience just because they're both from the Americas.

[@sabrinamourah1647]

Exactly! Asia is huge but people always refer to those three countries when there are various ethnicities, all of them really unique.

[@karaeats8118]

Asians helped build this country . They built the Transcontinental Railroad and then were all murdered after completion. Every ethnicity has helped build this country not just one group.

[@tramarthomas6105]

What you're saying is true, duh, but that's unrelated to what she was talking about specifically

[@laurencameron3150]

They helped build it most likely from the money gained from slavery

[@noahn4564]

⁠@@laurencameron3150so? Wtf??? Asians were mistreated and overworked til their deaths literally. How does it matter that the money came from slavery? Asians didnt enslave black ppl or contribute in the slavery in any way.

[@porothashawarma2339]

@@laurencameron3150the Asians were the people that built the railroad . They were indentured labourers and their conditions were horrible , they were just free in name but in every other aspect they were slaves .

[@NoahLeicster1]

Definitely

[@LeonahMagalona]

Definitely agree with that phrase "Filipinos are the black people of Asia." Being a Filipino watching a lot of Korean TV shows, that's their perception of Filipinos that we are poor, uneducated and dark skinned. Love my morena skin tone and soooo proud of it.

[@ss-gv3tm]

No,you Filipinos are the most sweetest,kindest and hard working people out there🥺❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@yowinmymind]

loving the moreno/morena skin tone! as we should 💋

[@206guy5]

Stop acting like Filipinos are the only dark skins of Asia. Cambodians, Laotians, Burmese, Thais, Indonesians, Malays ets have dark skin.

[@sunN.Y]

Cambodians is the black of asia lol

[@206guy5]

@@sunN.Y facts lol.

[@jacooplax]

That 1 girl saying that East Asians have more of an advantage than South East Asians hit hard because we're not always perceived as smart and mostly only as laborers

[@MyStaryStaryNight]

Yeah the lighter asian hates the darker Asian and I'm southeast asian. It sad, because even asian are very segrated by color and class

[@tendou._7320]

@@MyStaryStaryNight Because in east Asia they find 'lighter skin' more beautiful, and dark skin ugly which is very sad.

[@awisepolarbear.3211]

@@tendou._7320 yup my family is like that they wanted me to get light skin.

[@crystaly7159]

@@MyStaryStaryNight STOP IT. i don't and I know a plenty who don't hate Southeast Asians. I'm Korean and it saddens me whenever I see southeast Asians saying stuff like that about East Asians. Have you ever been to East Asia? Ive been to SEA and have met various types of people. Had met both bad and good people but I don't generalize the whole SEAsian people as bad just cuz i almost got scammed, wrongly touched/groped, had people who constantly tried to sell me stuff. Ive made amazing local friends who welcomed me with their open arms, showed me around their country, invited me to their houses and showed generosity.

[@nicknatsvlishvili8343]

we west asians always get rejected lol

[@stuti9815]

can y’all do south asian americans vs east asian americans? i think that would be interesting...

[@thegent2258]

I’m trying to picture it and most comments would be “how do you feel when you’re the poster child of the asian continent”

[@pragyagupta6605]

South asians are racist af against east Asians and east asians heavily stereotype south asians. It would be interesting to see both the sides pointing fingers at each other.

[@laoyue5924]

And southeast asians

[@pragyagupta6605]

@@sawsawsuka k-ent and j-ent are quite popular all over the world. I'm an Indian, I'm myself quite into japanese and korean pop culture. But personally, I've come across a lot of narrow minded and vicious people who are quite racist towards East asians.. calling them c and r slurs, despite of being asians themselves. Some east asians still call Indians "curry munchers" and address us with that stereoypical mindset. It's been a high time now and asians (no matter what ethnicity) should all respect each others' cultures and beliefs.

[@unknownvv4924]

Yes!!!

[@wblue812]

As African Americans we need to start changing our culture and making it more healthier and start destroying the dysfunctional behavior within our own community's!

[@VintageFuture_]

As a black American we need to fix ourselves individually so we can make the country we're living in a better country.

[@RealKoolKid1]

@@Rajasekaran19948I’m sure you do because it confirms your racist bias!

[@mks9574]

East Asian racism is more widely accepted. Nowadays, many people agree that black stereotypes are bad, but when is comes to other minorities (Asians specifically), the stereotypes are more commonly expressed. I've heard a lot of teachers say "What happened to your Asian genes" and everyone in the class starts laughing. While in comparison, if a teacher said a stereotype about black people, it would probably end up with them getting fired. Black hate is more worldwide, however. Many people from other countries believe that black people are more dangerous and are scared of them due to a lot of the media they intake. What's interesting to me is that depending on where you are in Asia, black people can be seen as scary or super cool and people to look up to. Also, about the Model Minority: Any and all stereotypes are harmful. I personally don't like how that girl skipped over the negatives of that. Another thing, racism and colorism aren't the same thing!!!

[@London.g14]

I'm not Asian but I will say this; I feel there needs to be more representation when it comes to Asian-related topics. Indians, Sri Lankans, Filipinos, Indonesians, Malaysians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshi, Afghanistanis, Nepalese, Iraqis and Iranians are also Asians and are from the continent of Asia. I also noticed, when it comes to Asian related topics/discussions, I hardly see South Asian people (India, Pakistan and so on) being represented

[@camerynr8344]

i clicked on this video as a black girl who lives near a large community of south asians and is was a little surprised there wasn’t one.

[@voxschultz3958]

@@rndmusrnm2763 The Middle East is part of the continent of Asia, so yes.

[@Adam-xy4ny]

@@rndmusrnm2763 It is called west Asia lol, the Middle East is west Asia plus North Africa

[@singbin]

Even though we're all Asians but many Asians didn't claim India or Pakistan as Asian... lol

[@singbin]

@@rndmusrnm2763 Google existed for a reason.

[@neemasjourney1465]

Tony has such a heart and you can really see that he is trying to understand and be compassionate. It is just refreshing to see.

[@0shawhat]

That's def an example that we all should be! Be compassionate to understand each other's perspectives :)

[@RY-os9vw]

I love his heart!

[@Unknown16537]

He was so sweet 😭😭😭 bless his heart. I hope they can all become great friends after this

[@missshannonsunshine]

Right he was crying and I wanted to give him a hug

[@cosmeticaffairs7220]

He made me cry.

[@ittamm3818]

in mycountry, we have a national motto that says "unity in diversity" what this means is that even though we have different ethnicities, cultures, races, religions, and etc our nation is one unit.

[@meganaxeliar]

that isn’t a ‘nation’ then. a ‘nation’ is a land representative of an ethnic demographic. you simply live in a country/economic zone.

[@bubullibooooo9928]

@@meganaxeliar There are MANY non homogeneous countries/ nations.

[@meganaxeliar]

@@bubullibooooo9928 Countries, yes. Nations, no. A ‘nation’ is the land of an ethnic peoples. Often American politicians and all like to appropriate the term ‘nation’ to falsely allude to their country being more unified and ‘bound to them by blood’.

[@cheesecakeisgross4645]

There is no unity in diversity..

[@mayoiko]

yeah but then the muslims start to burn churches and the javanese be all racist to chinese people, also every muslim in our country hate the jews. my catholic friend was discriminated by muslims, and i have a lot of friends from NTT in my major and other major/faculties in our campus do look down on them simply because they look different. we do have idealistic national motto but that doesnt mean we are clean from racism or bigotry.

[@froggielady3204]

Wow. This was just, wow. The end where they are self reflecting gives me hope because this pretty much just proved that anyone of any color can be very racist to others and to their own race. That judging a book by it's cover is wrong.

[@jkkmane]

When that lady said Asians never been oppressed, she must not know the history of korea and Japan lol.

[@riz5303]

yeah, we are still even oppressed now

[@user-tq9vs6fc9u]

Yep another reason Asian American history needs to be taught in the US. We have entire generations of people not knowing that Asians have dealt with racism and oppression.

[@RS-on3lp]

And the history of Chinese Americans, which is brutal and silent. As a half Asian half white person, I read about it for the first time (because our schools teach us nothing about AAPI history) and I cried.

[@nikhilprem7998]

bruhhhh heard of some thing like yellow peril etc.. but that was for chinese

[@user-tq9vs6fc9u]

@@RS-on3lp I’m Asian American and learned more Asian American history from FACEBOOK than all of my years in school from elementary school to the end of HS combined. University was better but there is always more room to improve though.

[@akino5795]

In Asian cultures, colorism is a huge issue my parents would jokingly tell me to bleach my skin.

[@eyeyamjstn628]

Same lol, not as exaggerated as yours but people have told me that I’m dark but I’m light af in reality

[@samcruz7782]

same especially as a filipino

[@kg2002]

@@shegoblin4014 please don’t use God’s name in vain

[@shegoblin4014]

@@kg2002 ok sorry

[@iyang2341]

@@kg2002 stop gettin offended snowflake oh my god

[@veedge1]

@jubilee you guys really need to come to South Africa. The conversations that need to be heard from our perspective would shock a lot of people.

[@nikrose5229]

They dont care about South Africa. They only care about creating racial division in America

[@adaezeokafor2242]

Yes like the xenophobic mindset, alarming black on black crimes

[@Kendralovesskincare]

Tony I love you... Your heart is so kind, your empathetic and genuine. Your parents taught you well and I hope they are proud of the beautiful human they have contributed to this sometimes ugly world❤️

[@Jacobson42]

at least asians are not attacking elderly and raping and killing women like b-lacks. b-lacks are the one who are attacking us.

[@HI-hb5yf]

They should’ve thrown in two blasian one raised with their black family and the other raised by their Asian family

[@jbarral6509]

I would be in awe to see that

[@cristiany3285]

And I would have been the blasian

[@f.k6920]

No that would complicate things

[@sortaizzy]

Yes!! I was thinking that too!

[@alorhamahal]

Yes

[@mokatinker6142]

I would really like to see Indigenous Americans vs Black Americans

[@ClayMastah344]

Same! That’d be something to seen

[@JosephYZWang]

Native Americans vs White Conservatives or Evangelicals :P Edit: sry didn’t know “American Indian” wasn’t a thing

[@WhoCaresInc21]

@@JosephYZWang Oh god. I can already see the answers to the, "Americans are living on stolen land," question.

[@baileyelisejasperson8260]

That would be interesting. I am an Indigenous person, and my tribes had conflict with the African Americans in my area. It's because some of our people were forced to marry slaves, so some of the black people are sort of related to us. But they're not related enough that they fit the blood requirement.

[@brookdaniels8219]

@@baileyelisejasperson8260 also in some cases natives owned slaveszzzz

[@buttercup293]

Wow, Tony. You touched my heart. So empathetic and kind, always willing to listen and educate yourself.

[@shainahuntsberry6758]

The Black and Asian communities have so much more in common than what is realized and seeing this connection formed through this beautiful conversation is truly inspiring. Together, we can do more and build each other up. That duo is beyond powerful and I hope to see more of it:)

[@agustin2812]

Asians are much more racist than whites. the Chinese, Japanese and Hindus pff very racist.

[@pinheadlarry4538]

@@agustin2812 Blacks are more racist than everyone most anti-Asian hate crimes are committed by Black people

[@SkankHunt42isback]

Yup the asians own nice stuff, and the blacks own the asians stuff after they rob them.

[@Mylesknox]

@@pinheadlarry4538if black people were truly the most racist would they have fought for civil rights and immigration reform? Which paved the way for every non black person in America to even come? NO! The only thanks black people got was a spit in there face

[@sidogga1234]

White people will be scared when all minorities band together to suppress racial discrimination and white supremacy.

[@TheErsu]

Generalizing based on skin colour is bad, no matter who does it. No one should do it.

[@lighgblue2676]

I agree :)

[@yolandaperry86]

Exactly!

[@laurenpulley9855]

Exactly! I don’t mind the idea of two minority groups discussing their issues. But when they were saying like “Asian people keep to themselves” - that’s a huge generalisation. Like it’s not based on whether they’re Asian or not to act like this??

[@sesameshroom8768]

Exactly, there’s no such thing as ‘they can fight their own battles’ when it comes to things like this. You don’t get a pass for generalizing others if you are a victim

[@kukguroki4179]

And you’re the same kind of person to generalise whites

[@Cocolocomococrazy]

An East Asian vs. South Asian episode would be very interesting bc I don’t think a lot of people understand there is more to “Asian”.

[@ishwaaq191]

Yeah I’ve seen that in the U.S, Asians are considered to be East Asians, whereas in the U.K Asians are considered to be south East Asians . I think it’s to do with the population of South east and East Asians in the country

[@malachy2515]

@@ishwaaq191 Don't people in the UK think of South Asians first when they hear the term "Asian"? East Asian - China, Korea, Japan, Taiwan South East Asian - Indochina, Indonesia, Phillipines South Asian - Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, etc.

[@FrankiePacino]

Asian vs Japanese would be good too bring some of grandmas too would be must watch

[@raindrop3280]

@@malachy2515 We do, yeah. They're right in it likely being due to differing demographics, though. With that said, the US seems to do their demographics really weirdly and seems to just group Asians in together with no further breakdown, so I can't say for certain.

[@user-Void-Star]

You mean brown and yellow?

[@lazybum6387]

this is one of the most heart warming and eye opener middle ground episode that I've watched.

[@greencowtd]

Ya know, I’m glad I watched this. 1) I’m glad to see our two cultures finally having this discussion 2) I’m glad to be acknowledged as a black person that they are aware that their community does this and 3) I’m glad that no all Asians believe in disliking us

[@ademolaabu372]

They just being funny not racist cause they were the first great people of earth. These ones should go and ask there eldest people in their communities how they first made relationships with black people before caucasions.

[@rustysky81]

Most Asians dislike black people. And if I narrow it down then it will be African Americans. Now some of us know the difference between a black person and a megro. Unfortunately the African American diaspora is probably 30% black and 70% megro.

[@59Gretsch]

Get serious, these two “communities” or not talking or getting together this is simply a KZbin production. These two groups are as opposite as any two groups in the world, how can you find common ground?

[@Hannah-ur3ks]

A lot of the “good” stereotypes associated with Asian people does undermine the work and the person behind those stereotypes. Like, you’re good at math or so and so because you’re Asian not because you worked hard and dismisses the struggle behind the success. Often when I was younger a lot of the things I worked hard on was dismissed because I was Asian and was never given the help I needed. Either way stereotypes are bad and harmful.

[@hh-2839]

yeah. I think that's why she put it in quotes. it's like thats not a good stereotype but it's better than everyone assuming you're a thug or ghetto because those stereotypes are the ones that more often endanger you.

[@drunkenlilTIFFY1990]

Not really. Stereotypes aren’t always bad. It’s a defense for our minds. I’ve take. Sociology and it’s actually not entirely bad.

[@theunitedkingdom]

@@drunkenlilTIFFY1990 “Good” stereotypes have always harmed us.

[@FNAFCREW]

I feel like a lot of these comments are negative and just talking abt how one side was afraid to speak up blah blah blah but in reality the questions they asked were terrible they were basically asking like “who’s more oppressed” and when you ask stuff like that it’s only going to cause more division i think they should’ve asked more question and more things more so on the understanding side bcuz right now all i see in the comments are black and asians trying to state how the “other side” vise versa didn’t mention there problems enough and that’s where division gets created😐

[@Chill-mm4pn]

That's messed up, I remember reading a post on reddit from an asian guy with adhd. He talked about how his parents and other people expected him to do well in school just because he's asian eventhough his adhd makes it difficult. I have it as well so I can relate to him on that level.

[@demetrondotson6956]

I will always be triggered by another Black American being racist towards any race... Like We of all people should know how hurtful that is and we should always strive to never put anyone through that.

[@glennrhee6832]

Same and then I see other black people my age say crazy things about other people but lose their minds when they say something back

[@ajones2367]

it irks my nerves tbh

[@akuaik.100]

Same, it pisses me off so much

[@LeondreWilsono0o]

Thats why I hate Tiktok it's literally a place were black creators make hundreds off of insulting white people. It's disgusting.

[@taliaiaaiia]

@@LeondreWilsono0o Tiktok overall is disgusting. It promotes bad habits and it is just extremely unhealthy. But I hope people start becoming less gullible and less ignorant on that app. Majority of users on tiktok are those things and when that racist negativity is on peoples “fyp”s it spreads that gross mentality and makes people think it’s okay since a black creator/poc creator posted it. It’s terrible

[@candacedolls4048]

I love TONY. The compassion is so appreciated

[@ebonysharee]

One thing I know about Black folks is we patronize Asian businesses a lot. From food to hair...we don't shy away at ALL. I grew up in Seattle where there are so many different Asian restaurants. My aunt also worked in a Cantonese restaurant in St. Louis so, I even learned how to make Egg Foo Young too! It's really all about how you view the world around you and what you are willing to learn and teach. I am so happy with my upbringing because it taught me to respect other cultures that were different from me and embrace others. I think it is SO important to unify. They want to divide and conquer but it's up to us to reject that. *my two cents*

[@somebodyoulove]

This is beautiful. Still waiting on the Black American vs Immigrant Blacks / first generation African Americans episode.

[@Tron8147]

Don’t get me started on that!

[@abidanielson2747]

yesss i really want to see that episodes 🇪🇷

[@smartie3445]

Yesss, I need this

[@Princess0ftheLight]

Definitely! There’s a lot to unpack there.

[@Tron8147]

It’s so frustrating with my moms side from Jamaica and my dad from America.... yes we need this

[@JovanLatte]

PLEASE do black Americans and Africans! Seriously. That is so beyond over needed.

[@putent9623]

Im african so j can definitely clarify that african people do not in any way whatsoever agree with these black americans. Edit: just gonna add this in. Half of the people here saying "I'm africa and you do not speak for me" 1. Do you genuinely think I'm trying to make a broad statement. What do you think I was expecting people to actually leave a like on my comment, just randomly commented what I can almost guarantee is true and that's it. 2. You can't say "I live in africa" then also mention places like sudan. That's like calling your self an Asian just because you live in India (even though it's technically true). Also I'm hating the sass coming from you guys, it's the most passive aggressive crap I've seen in a while and its also cringe, like "omg gosshshshh you do not speak for me sister 👁️👄👁️"

[@yvankate2248]

Yesssss Am african and I REALLY wanna see this

[@zebibtekle4889]

@@GeronFletcher I was going to mention The Grapevine

[@zebibtekle4889]

​@@putent9623 you can't speak for all Africans. I'm a Black African and I agree with the Black American cast. Plus, how are you going to negate their experience?

[@chaizan9733]

How about african americans and africans period. It would be interesting to see arabs, amazighs, kurds brought into tge conversation as well.

[@indigobeauty1]

Glad we're having these mature conversations...Love my Asian people 🤍

[@marlenahood5350]

I'm somebody who loves East and South Asian culture- having some of it in my ancestry, too, though not appearing as such. I especially love Korean culture and I'm semi-fluent in Korean. I've always been told by my family members that Asian people feel uncomfortable around Black people. This video provides comfort within me.

[@xd-wk3hp]

reminder that asia isn’t just east asia... there’s south asia, south east asia, central asia, and western asia. edit: jubilee said in the comments below that this video was focused on east asian americans finding common ground with black americans.

[@dominicpersaud1155]

@Mr Doggo Lads Lol facts

[@dr.woozie7500]

This is an American thing. In the UK, “Asians” refer to South Asians from India, Pakistan, etc.

[@amirulazizol844]

southeast asia as well

[@xd-wk3hp]

@@dr.woozie7500 yeah that’s completely true, i was speaking from an american stance anyways😅

[@Sachin25279]

@@dr.woozie7500 ikr I’m an English-Indian person and when people over here say Asian they mean people from all of Asia, not a specific area

[@torilu3272]

i’m really disappointed that the conversation was almost fully about oppression vs. oppression rather than the similarities of our cultures. It also made me sad to see that neither side really talked about the historic sides to oppression that both races have faced. i love love love jubilee but as an asian american i didn’t feel represented in the slightest nor did i find the conversation productive.

[@therealmemalapane3491]

It's about them being allies not about their culture

[@millzz]

Fully agree. This whole conversation looks more like a game of "you oppressed me, you oppressed me too" instead of "WE'VE been oppressed as people of colour" and talking more about similar struggles and celebrations.

[@jiggzstarr]

I agree but I also think any discussion of racial tension is productive as it's so lacking in our culture and in the world overall.

[@jahsworld9456]

YESSS I completely agree I feel like with a lot of poc it’s a competition for them, like who was more oppressed and that is not the case that shouldn’t be the case and I feel like because of that it can create some animosity between two ethnic groups when it shouldn’t.

[@AndreTJones]

I somewhat agree. There’s a type of “Oppression Olympics”. Given the format of the show it was bound to result in the conversation. I think the ending was a lot better.

[@enchanted0583]

Great and honest conversation 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@aprilfarley6875]

I definitely believe this should be a topic that is continuously talked about. Growing up as a black American ive faced many instances of micro aggression and/or straight out racism everywhere I go. I am currently pursuing a degree in East Asian Languages , Literatures and cultures (Chinese) because I enjoy the culture and have a huge passion to teach English. One of my biggest aspirations was to bridge gaps. As I gradually meet successes , I get anxious. The fact that Racism is so heavy in China and being who I am , its hard having to prepare myself to be misunderstood and/or mistreated. In both communities, we have faced so many similar things and as I grow up , It is exhausting to have your skin become a misjudgement everywhere you go.

[@bridgetjoyce469]

Really. Try being a white American, they are bullied and jumped by non whites, in school, malls, any where. Bring raised from birth to hate a certain race is not promoting humanity

[@bleepblop9561]

Chinese person here and I greatly appreciate your effort in taking interest and learning about Chinese, genuinely. I hope you can study in peace despite the micro aggressions and racism cuz I really understand how bad it is there in China and it really hurts to see how misinformed and clueless China can be about poc

[@memrman8331]

Um….China is like the most racist place you can go, my family is from there, lets just say they aren’t very open minded

[@whisper2284]

That Asian guy is such a beautiful human being. I cried along with him. Humans hurt one another unnecessarily.

[@remedytee]

His emotions are real. He starts of by saying that he wasn't privileged because of the color of his skin, only to follow it up (next sentence) by saying that people tell him he's eloquent and intelligent... i would argue that at least some of it is based on merit and education

[@whisper2284]

@@remedytee I hear ya. Privilege is rarely so simple. For example Pretty privilege is based upon someone’s appearance being considered attractive by the greater society. Their beauty was bestowed upon them through DNA, good genes and a societal definition of beauty that is based on their proximity to a white standard. However, consistent exercise, good diet, hydration and consistent skin care regimen play a role in it as well. There are many factors at play, but the underlying fact is society defines attractiveness. Just like the United States created the Model Minority Myth which gave Asians the space to better their status after the 1965 Immigration Act. An Act that came about as a result of Black Americans fighting for Civil Rights. Asians also benefited from Affirmative Action, Small loans to Minorities, establishment of opportunity zones in inner city neighborhoods so Asians could open businesses and receive tax breaks, and a whole host of other programs that Blacks were denied but were put in place because Black Americans fought for them. It is unfortunate to see how many educated Asians don’t understand the history of their rise in the United States, and the important role that Black Americans played in their ascension.

[@remedytee]

@@whisper2284 You are right about beauty standards. I think all races are susceptible to this all over the world. Someone who is handsome will have different interactions (but prejudices too). Yes, we live in a Western society that has idealized beauty for thousands of years. E.g. Spartans, but in fact thoughout Greek and Roman culture. Not saying that all Westerns are attractive though. But apart from racial tendencies.. In the US people were sterilized up until the 60s (white people included) for not adhering to certain standards, so let's not take it personal 😅

[@remedytee]

@@whisper2284 About these beauty standards... it is kind of normal that those who resemble white people have a "better shot", it's still a society governed by the West. It has its flaws, but what do you suggest? To implement African institutions? Asian? About the rights evolution and the impact of African Americans... i have no knowledge about that. But I imagine the impact was substantial. Can't imagine Asians raising their voice (that's a joke, no pun intended... I'm from Asian descent myself) 😂

[@whisper2284]

@@remedytee it is normal for the group that has the greatest power to define beauty in their own image. What is not okay about it is when that power broker hides the history of how the standard was conceived. There is no denying that the western powers’ advanced military methods, and weapons, warfare tactics and technological innovations have allowed them to amass great fortunes and power. That is an amazing fait accompli and their triumphs and success deserve acknowledgement. Yet, there is the problematic side of western powers that distorts history through omission and telling an incomplete story about the world.. Great Civilizations far older than Europe and America are rising again and will force a shift in all standards including beauty. China is becoming a massive Power broker, and India is developing at a fast pace. Investment in Africa is increasing considering Africa holds almost 60% of the world’s natural wealth in resources. The power balance will restructure and those peoples will want the world to know about their Dynasties and histories. Westerners will be forced to tell the truth about the past due to social media or get left behind. The standard will change via globalization. We already see China’s impact on Africa, the Caribbean and Central America. China’s model is NOT colonization. It is INVESTMENT in Infrastructure and Business. The locals can see the immediate benefits when the Chinese arrive unlike the Europeans and Americans who come there to extract resources, cause civil unrest and leave those countries poor and in debt to them.

[@giacominaj5601]

Tony seems so kind and loving. It really says something by the way he choked up talking about black discrimination in the workplace-you can tell he cares.

[@WesleyC5771]

@Caleb DeCoteau Why do you feel that way?

[@WesleyC5771]

@Caleb DeCoteau okay but what does this have to do with Tony being a disappointment?

[@WesleyC5771]

@Caleb DeCoteau Well are you going to explain? I’m genuinely curious.

[@the_other_michael2]

@Caleb DeCoteau I have come across quite a few of your responses in this comment section. You seem to harbor a lot of resentment towards African Americans, I would really like to discuss why that is if you don't mind.

[@the_other_michael2]

@Caleb DeCoteau I googled and there were three main articles from 1997, 2010 and 2020. The 2010 article detailed the strenuous relationship between the African American community and the Asian community as the latter felt they were the target of to roberries from members of the former community. The police didn't feel it was racially motivated which frustrated the shop owners who felt their plight was falling on deaf ears. They also noted that due to the language barrier most shop owners weren't reporting the issues which only further exacerbated the issues. If this is the source of your resentment and frustration I completely understand. I just feel like if you color all black people with the same brush and refuse to interact with them you effectively hinder conversation about the issues. It's not all African Americans that are doing this, those that are, are clearly reprehensible and if you come into the conversation with your grievances and less insults you may very well find allyship in African Americans who would condemn the actions of those who are being prejudiced against your brethren. It is clear that African Americans can be prejudiced too and everyone should try to work together to be empathetic and understand each other. I am really keen to discuss your experiences, as I believe you may have been hurt by others and I would just like to extend an olive branch

[@user-tc6ng4tl3l]

Tony moved me to tears of joy and relief with his compassionate words. He inspired me to include compassion when discussing difficult topics.

[@user-bb6jr2ss2d]

I would love to see a debate between Black-Americans and Mexican-Americans because I also do notice a lot of tension between these two groups.

[@RoseEyed]

As a Black person with Asian family members these relationships fascinate me. Just important not to throw all of one group under the bus to the point we’re projecting negative things on individuals. Can’t wait to see the conversation! Update: Watching now. This is actually just as nuanced, well-rounded, and wholesome as I hoped it would be. I really do hope we can learn to come together en mass one day. We're SO MUCH stronger together than we are apart. Edit: Was NOT expecting this many likes y'all... Wow

[@AxxLAfriku]

HELP MY!!! My muscles are too big! I am a big tall man and my muscles are even BIGGER! I use them to get views but they HURT so much!!! Because they are heavy. Do you have any advice, dear rose

[@deepstariaenigmatica2601]

*twotter has joined the chat

[@kei7540]

@@AxxLAfriku Sucks for you buddy

[@gamejamxclan569]

@@AxxLAfriku ?

[@breadst1c772]

@Caleb DeCoteau why are asians targeting black ppl worldwide?

[@sjpark1991]

I kinda think a lot of “racist Asians” are generally older Asians (our parents generation) who grew up in their own Asian countries that have no diversity. Us younger generation understand diversity better. EDIT: To clarify, I'm talking about younger people here in the US, not asia. I was also talking about Korea, where i grew up until i was 11 or so

[@TheAgentOfDeath]

What do you mean by diversity? Typically boba liberal here.

[@ekoyal_gemu4446]

No they don't

[@hlpss92123]

Where are you from tho? Cuz at least in my country the majority of young people is till very ignorant and even unaware of the fact that they are being racist smh. I think we shouldn’t suggest that racists are generally older people even though some of them indeed are not quite used to or willing to accept different people and idea, I have actually met some old people that are very open-minded and acceptive. But I agree that the lack of diversity does have huge impact on the ignorance and racist behaviors of many Asians.

[@Sophie-ni8qm]

Tbh my parents and a lot of the people I know come from china and are first gen immigrants, but they are learning to be more acceptable. They're not perfect, but everyone has their flaws, but they're still learning and trying to become more accepting, despite having grown up in a less diverse environment.

[@whooah]

No. The younger people are racist too.

[@ZanyJr]

I do love the mini debates that are discussed in Jubilee's panels. It's nice to see majority topics are being agreed upon, but I also feel that not everything is discussed. Like University's acceptance rate by race, majority crime rates by population percentage, and etc. Perhaps inviting people (maybe Vince Dao) with different opinions, might spark more controversial conversations. This episode felt kind of shy about this topic and I was hoping that both sides would tackle more into the discussion. It would be great to see a redo of this video with more different diverse opinions.

[@dorianhendricks8730]

I love this conversation ❤️💯

[@siathakur5847]

As a South Asian living in America it's outstanding how many people don't even realize how racist they are to south asian and how normal it is for people to just think racism is okay towards south asians

[@tsumi_the_hapa4009]

This is so true the amount of scrutiny south east Asians go through for just existing is so gross. No one deserves to be descriminated against

[@tsumi_the_hapa4009]

And I'm sorry you have to go through what you go through when people think about asian they always think china, Korea, and Japan but never recognize countries like laos, Cambodia, and the Philippines

[@lanajohnson7401]

South Asians are not successful. Thats why. Poor countries do not get the same respect obviously

[@Jjhkljhhjj]

@@lanajohnson7401 the Indian immigrants are the most successful though. Indians make the most money out of every other ethnicity in the US, UK and Canada.

[@NotJoegoldberg]

@@lanajohnson7401 lol most indians living abroad especially in the US are super successful and wealthy but ok.

[@chihiroogino7464]

I appreciate Tony normalizing men getting emotional enough to shed a tear.

[@j0sh_u_a892]

Yes, I love it

[@singbin]

i love Tony sm.

[@sugaspice7684]

and also men supporting eachother expressing emotions when the other guy put his hand on his shoulder

[@nubbiewubbie7285]

The day my father cried in my presence was the day he stopped being my father.

[@tonikoku3518]

@@nubbiewubbie7285 huh

[@hydraelectricblue]

Oh this was an important one. Tye dye boy made me tear up. Also mind-blown when the one lady brought up that she knew she was viewed as a model minority but also pointed out that she knew she was being used by white people against black people. She’s playing chess not checkers. I loved the honesty in this.

[@So-what692]

Yes I wish more biracial people (blk/white mixture) could be this honest. Instead they project their emotions of not having “daddy” around and being raised by white women as a way of not feeling accepted by blk people yet in the same sentence claim they feel more accepted by blk people. most admit they were raised in predominantly white communities where they were treated and looked different than their peers and white family members. So why not express those same sentiments of not feeling accepted by the culture you are raised in. Instead they try to push acceptance onto blk people specifically blk women because they know there is a color hierarchy in the blk community…..

[@hydraelectricblue]

@@So-what692 I'm actually biracial and I agree 100%. My community has some major issues with anti blackness and colonizer mindsets. I'm embarrassed how we've been all over TikTok. I've seen white people more educated about white supremacy than some biracial people are and it's embarrassing. I use to be uneducated but I was younger. There's no excuse for someone past a certain age acting like that. I was adopted and raised by a white conservative family in the South. If I can educate myself out of that type of thinking that I was raised with, anyone can.

[@dariusbrown7870]

I believe she was used by the one family she mentioned in particular but I wouldn’t generalize and say she was used by “white people” as sort of collective.

[@vg7735]

Just a way for her to not take responsibility for her own actions. Blame whitey for manipulating you. Big bad whitey.

[@KreativeSoul]

Tony has a beautiful soul,I appreciate his vulnerability,honesty and consideration..he is what we need

[@camilleboudville3043]

As an Asian who has grown up in an Asian country, I have to agree with Tony. Racism is deeply embedded in many Asian cultures - colorism is alive and well in several countries, but I think there has been less of a drive to get rid of it. That being said, it is improving.

[@loulousworld92]

@@Ethiopianexposer if you don’t care why are you watching the video and why even bother to comment under Camilla‘s post.

[@manis8569]

India is fucked up with its colourism problems. When I was a kid and went to school there, even teachers would discriminate in class against the darker coloured kids.

[@UzairKhan-qd3xu]

well INDIA's cosmetic industry is filled with FAIRNESS CREAMS so that tells a lot!

[@fionagallagherapologist5968]

i think its rooted in white supremacy tbh :(

[@user-sq3ke5nz3l]

Colorism is rooted both in white supremacist hierarchies established through colonialism by Europeans, but also classism to some degree. The understanding of what race is is also very different from the US. Asians don’t adopt a collective pan-Asian identity before we move to a place where we are the minority.

[@sselemaNrM]

I would really ike to see African Americans and Africans. Would be really interesting to see cultural values and lifestyle differences!

[@AngelicTroubleMaker-LaVooDoo]

That is all over the internet especially on KZbin.

[@ThouRookie]

@@AngelicTroubleMaker-LaVooDoo but not with the same layout

[@brandonclark8395]

Definitely would be interesting

[@yeniheriyani6640]

African >>>>> african Americans

[@WestCoastTruth]

Now this da one!!!

[@RyanBirk]

I grew up moving around to multiple states over and over. One thing that I’ve learned from living in both predominately white And predominantly black is that I’ve never had anything but love from black people. The only people that’s ever singled me out or bullied me were white people (I’m half white) The part of this video where he talks about the compassion is spot on. Even in folks I’ve met who were from various walks of life (in the streets) there’s some type of love there (at least I’ve experienced it personally). There’s so much to be said. And the communities on both sides aren’t perfect. But conversations like this are excellent. What we all need to do is actually care enough to try to understand each other (as fellow human beings) If more people can begin to do that.. we will really start to see growth

[@lolblehXD]

Can you do Asian Males vs Asian Females? There's an internal animosity that needs to be discussed, i.e dating, social and self acceptance, public perception, as well as the identity insecurities that asian females project towards asian males.

[@Larry-nd7gv]

THIS

[@witchplease9695]

You can’t force people to date you. A lot of Black men hate Black women and we have no choice but to accept that.

[@lolblehXD]

@@witchplease9695 of course we cant force people to date us. But im not just talking about dating, im talking about other topics that i listed. Just to get a better understanding into why it is, and why projected towards others. Just more in depth

[@BonazaiGirl]

Ouch, this was cringe to watch as a black person. Don’t get me wrong, this was fairly civil and some issues were addressed, but not some of the more pressing issues. Neither side really got to the meat of the issue and seemed to have a game of “misery poker” rather than discuss each other’s plight or issues. And when the black representatives laughed and acknowledged they had joked about racism against Asians, I was disheartened. Hypocrisy at its finest. It really shows how much of growth we need to do as a people, because we’re not seeing the other side. I do hope we get a do-over with a new cast that can be more willing to discuss with one-another about racial struggles and issues.

[@frankbaldizan3410]

Literally was going too comment the same thing. Thank you, you said it much better than I would’ve

[@teddybear979]

The questions were kinda disappointing too

[@user-rd5kn6hz4b]

True

[@ginama3162]

Hello everyone, It's Regina from the video. One thing I want to point out is this video's main discussion is why the black community and Asian community are allies or are not allies, thus framing many of the questions and possibly the cast . Another thing I want to point out is the video is edited!!!!! We had a longer richer conversation, with more questions and more answers. Some answers were for other questions, cut off, not included, etc. okay :) Please keep that in mind while you are watching this "conversation", it doesn't necessarily reflect the actual or full conversation had. Also, we were six people that stepped out of our comfort zone and put ourselves in a room full of cameras, and tried to have an unprepared open conversation. We as a cast are planning to come together to address some top questions but keep in mind, we entered that room with the purpose not to have a battle Royale, and for those that was looking for that tic for tac experience, please search within yourself of am I looking at a bigger problem that has caused a breakdown of social relationship or am I just looking to take my frustrations out, which can lead to further breakdown. I will say one last thing on behalf of this great group I was with, is we are all real people with our own full experiences that a 20 minute edited shared space video couldn't do justice to explain. Before calling anyone a poor representation of anything or projecting what you believe to be the beliefs of anyone in the video, keep that in mind. Hugs and kisses and thanks for watching the video.

[@Regmuslima]

@@ginama3162 Thank you for commenting, as it was also a concern of mine. I'm glad to hear there was a richer conversation but a little disappointed that we couldn't see that fully represented here. If it's true you guys might be coming back then I look forward to the next conversation you have and hopefully it will be edited a little bit better or perhaps be longer since it seems 20 minutes is not enough for the audience, as shown by most of the comments in the comment section

[@dayvonnaking177]

When she was talking about immigrants I think she was totally correct like their is already this colorism in Asian countries so when they come here is and see actual black people they don’t want to be in the vicinity-of these people

[@dayvonnaking177]

@@kategibson4481 well am sorry that happened to you from a history standpoint the only reason why I think black people had a problem with Asian people is because of immigrant their was in an influx of Asian immigrants in the 50s-70s and when they got here their was a thing we’re you could only get here if you were valuable like a doctor or something you had to have skills so when they got here they stuck to their own and acted better also restaurant their were a lot of Asian food places opening and a lot of them didn’t welcome black people

[@Dave_of_Mordor]

@@dayvonnaking177 you're making this up for likes

[@dayvonnaking177]

@@Dave_of_Mordor no am not I learned this from experience and history

[@dayvonnaking177]

@@Dave_of_Mordor if you just look it up their was a ban for Asians only doctors and lawyers and so called valued people could come that’s why south Asians have a bigger wealth then any other minoritie group in America

[@Dave_of_Mordor]

@@dayvonnaking177 right...

[@daneaharrison5060]

This was a great conversation I personally never had an bad experiences with Asian people my bsf is Asian and her family is so welcoming and they even went to a blm protest with me

[@rajeshdevika8827]

What you did in return?

[@SoulaaniNani]

@@rajeshdevika8827 who are you to ask that question? quickly.

[@biqilee5420]

Asian from which country ? Chinese people are very racists

[@mariesmith7096]

I wish that brown/darker skinned South and South East Asians were involved in this conversation because I think that their experience is very different to the experience of East Asians. There is a lot of colourism and racism against South Asians is very normalised unfortunately :(

[@fionagallagherapologist5968]

i wish they spoke more about the racism against asians in the black community because it exists! they go through a lot of discrimination as well, it may not be as "huge" as anti-blackness in the asian community but its still present and should be talked about edit : i see a lot of debate in the comments about which issue is "bigger" and that is so insane to me because both issues are important and should be talked about. that is not to erase the horrific consequences of anti-blackness but my og comment was about THIS video in particular, and in this video they barely talked about racism against asian people in the black community which is aggravating because to solve an issue, every side must be heard.

[@Chaipuffai]

I totally agree! I live in one of the most racially segregated cities of my state, and if I actually pay attention to what others say, I can hear some African Americans make some really rude and discriminatory remarks towards their fellow Asian peers. However, the same goes from the Asians to the African Americans .

[@elainexiao8086]

same here! i wish linh brought up her encounter with a black man to the group-it felt like that tension didn't really get relieved for her. all of the black participants admitted to coming with stereotypes about the asian community (being a passive monolith that only cares about themselves), but i feel like they didn't really touch on that enough. Eg. bad driver is definitely NOT the worst of it, and there are many negative aspects to "positive" stereotypes too. I hate how the model minority myth has intentionally segregated minorities in this competition of who's more "white" or who's more oppressed, and I felt like the prompts jubilee gave kinda perpetuated this competition. i wish this was way longer and unedited because this is a SUPER important convo to have. would've loved to see more questions about media portrayal, colorism, affirmative action, etc!

[@heulwan]

I was waiting for this to be brought up in the discussion but it wasn't! As an Asian growing up with predominantly black friends and spending a lot of time in black communities, I experienced a lot of prejudice but this reverse situation is rarely talked about.

[@fionagallagherapologist5968]

Elaine Xiao omg yeah !! the white privilege thing bugged me too because its simply not true :/ its a bit like they were minimizing the discrimination that asian people face literally everyday

[@fionagallagherapologist5968]

Ami im so sorry you had to go through that :( we have to do better

[@spammusubi1607]

Several other people have pointed this out already but Jubilee- why didn’t you guys include more South Asian voices??? If you’re gonna do one on Asians then you need to include a variety of us.

[@PyanY]

Exactly!!! South east asians! South asians! East asians! People gotta know how small of a bubble asians have been categorized in!

[@Anonymous-xm7rf]

Everyone needs to like this!

[@singergal07]

I wanna see a south Asian one next :(

[@Maxmillion77]

americans can't tell the difference that's why

[@bonappetit7522]

I mean the girl behind the camera sounds South Asian

[@tymikac9468]

Such a refreshing conversation

[@PaigePlates]

At 17:30 This girl really said I don’t think Asian’s experience as much racism because they are a smaller group of people in a smaller minority. Girl that by definition makes them more of a minority because there’s less of them. A smaller minority is more of a minority hahahaha

[@siiiiiuu7]

Seriously. This whole thing was just one big butt-kissing, groveling session. Our horrific experiences as minorities don't count. Please like us and accept us. Pffft bye.

[@pdx13]

literallly @paige

[@wiseguy240Winston]

They weren't experiencing much racism as black ppl till the pandemic.

[@siiiiiuu7]

@@wiseguy240Winston Comments like this only reveal great ignorance about the struggles of groups outside your own. It costs nothing to be quiet 🤷🏽‍♀

[@staninsertkpopgroup1181]

I dislike that when the term "Asian" is used it's mainly referring to east Asians

[@littleboots9800]

In the UK when you say Asian mostly ppl would assume you meant Indian, pakistani, Bangladeshi etc. You would clarify if you meant Chinese or Malaysian or whatever.

[@Andy-zm8bq]

yeah its usually south-east/east asian, when they refer to asian. But i think the reason behind it is that south asians and east/southeast asia are just so different. But yeah they should've just specified in the title as east/south-east asian.

[@littleboots9800]

@Melaucity yeah, its cos indians, Pakistanis etc make up the bulk of our Asian population I guess. In Australia they use the term like in the US because they have so many more Chinese/ Malaysians/Philippino Asians.

[@taforacho5693]

This !! Like why couldn’t they invite any southern Asians such as Indians?

[@Andy-zm8bq]

@@taforacho5693 Maybe because east asians/southeast asians are a lot more similar in terms of culture/looks than south asia.

[@colorfulcodes]

Dang I feel so fortunate. I'm a black girl in tech and Asian people have been the main one's rooting for me and helping me get opportunities. More than my own tbh. This was an amazing discussion that needed to be had thank you 🙏🏾 Edit: 11 hours later I come back to this comment and people are using my experience to discuss politics and invalidate the woman's own experience. 🤢 Embarrassing. 😔 There are ignorant people in every race. I've experienced prejudiced commentary from every race, even growing up in NY tbh. However in my years in tech and finally employed I've realized those willing to help me most did not look like me at all. Which was actually surprising 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@determined919]

Yeah but black people are SOOO oppressed right?

[@e.e9596]

@@determined919 What purpose does your comment serve?

[@Musicalgirl02]

@@e.e9596 exactly. unnecessary as hell.

[@arigold3099]

Gotta love that affirmative action amirite???😆

[@haylienbeauty2380]

@@determined919 what is ths white dude doing here this isnt even about you dummy

[@naomimosby5575]

Tony is such a sweetheart I’m on the verge of tears

[@Chi_06]

I love all races, I don’t care how you look as long as you have blood in your body. You’re a human being and deserve all the love and respect.

[@YN-wo8rd]

1:00. This is wrong. The “good” stereotypes aren’t good. Asians are considered good at school, so whenever an Asian does bad on a test or something, we all get laughed at because we are supposed to be the smart ones. Also, south Asians are called dirty A LOT! I am Indian and people call me dirty for eating with my hands. I didn’t realize someone could be SO ignorant.

[@soupysoupp]

yes, thank you! i’m an asian american too and although it might feel nice once or twice to be considered smart, it’s also a VERY high expectation that we are held too CONSTANTLY. And the second i don’t understand something or my grades aren’t perfect, i feel like a failure for not keeping up with those stereotypes.

[@gerardorocha247]

I agree. The “good” stereotypes are also harmful. Many Asians have their merits undermined because of their race. People assume an Asian is smart because of race, rather than the person’s discipline, hard work and determination meanwhile they just happen to be asian.

[@aubriawalker8107]

i Totally get what you are saying!!!! But I think they mean that they rather be stereotyped as “smart” rather than being a “thug” because you can potentially lose your life for being stereotyped as that i.e police brutality, racial profiling

[@beatrixkiddos6672]

What you’re saying is 100% valid but I think they meant “good” in the sense that Asians are stereotyped more positively than black Americans. So for example, black Americans are stereotyped as lazy, loud, ghetto, etc. While Asians are usually stereotyped as smart, hard working, etc. It doesn’t mean the stereotypes hurt any less or that Asians don’t feel the same way as black people do when they are stereotyped. They are just as hurtful. But, I think the point is, regardless of the stereotypes both ethnicities face, Asians are generally viewed more positively in white america than black people are (hence the model minority idea). Again, this does not discount their experiences or diminishes the amount of oppression and racism Asians have experienced for centuries.

[@bloodmoneyhistory6845]

@@beatrixkiddos6672 exactly

[@jenttn1121]

I was incredibly disappointed by this discussion. The Black American perspective of Asian Americans here is the reason why Asian Americans need more representation. Asian American communities are complex, just like black communities. The values of Asian Americans differ with generation, age, country of origin, reason for immigration, and the area in America in which they settled. This could've been an educational discussion on the Asian American experience that is long overdue, but it fell flat.

[@Joseph-zd7kg]

I couldn't agree with you more

[@thevipblink8571]

👏👏👏

[@glowcat5691]

true, I wanted to see both sides of perspective. Love this vid do, shows us minorities have to stick together

[@keniku]

Yes, I agree Jubilee should have opened the discussion enough to talk about the oppressive history Asians have also suffered. However, the biggest issue they needed to address here was the legitimate privilege East Asians tend to have over the Black community. We, too, need to check our privilege to open the conversation. Maybe Jubilee will ask these necessary questions next time!

[@singbin]

oh, boo hoo. keep crying...

[@Jenaeworld]

Great conversation

[@kev4850]

This video needed some Southeast Asian candidates. I live in California and growing up, a lot of southeast asian (mostly Cambodian and Laotian) kids grew up in poor poverty affected communities that consisted of both Latino/African Americans. I was one of those kids, and most of the times, the asians were the minorities in those neighborhoods, so we dealt with a lot more hatred than the other groups probably did within the community. Take some gangs like TRG and Asian Boys for example. Those gangs were only created because the asians that migrated into these communities needed to protect themselves from the violence that was happening so often to them.

[@s9ka972]

South Asians too specifically Indians

[@moriahhamilton7436]

This Asian guy was so honest and unfiltered. I'm proud

[@ronalddeleon3991]

I love how he recognized our compassion as black people despite how we are portrayed we are very giving and hospitable people who would give the shirt off our backs.

[@moriahhamilton7436]

@@ronalddeleon3991 I agree, the black community wholeheartedly appreciates acknowledgement and truth

[@jamilmccall6553]

Great stuff

[@Hboogie182]

He's a libtard. He thinks he got to where he's at because he has white privileges. The dude discredits himself and throws out all of his merits.

[@davidsilverfield835]

Yup

[@mew7661]

I'd love to see something between African Americans and Black British people.

[@scarlao]

I was about to comment the same! I wanna be on Middle Ground as a Black Brit

[@cocoajames5]

most black british people are mostly from africa. so i believe that it should be africans that were born in europe/africa. my aunt is british-nigerian

[@scarlao]

@@cocoajames5: that is not true. Most Black British people are from the Windrush Generation and generations that followed so most British people are Caribbean.

[@cocoajames5]

@@scarlao well most black british in the media are mostly from sub saharan africa. i'm not saying that other groups of black people don't exist in britain, i'm just saying the ones that are most common.

[@cocoajames5]

@@scarlao and as you know africa was colonized by europeans so that's why some countries may speak french or portuguese. it's like lagos nigeria. there's a city in portugal called lagos too. the portuguese colonized that part and named the city lagos. that's what my mom told me

[@telishiajackson]

I loved this discussion

[@erickthomas6133]

Asian here. There are some parts of this discussion I agree with, but of course there’s some that I very much don’t. These videos are tough because three people can’t really represent everyone and they especially can’t when they agree so much. I didn’t really see a lot of ideas really being challenged, which I think is also an important part of this discussion. Great video though, this hits a lot of important topics.

[@Anonymous-um3im]

We really need a African American and Hispanic talk. I feel that there’s been a lot of tension between us recently but there’s always been that black and brown unity at the same time too.

[@ep4801]

This one!

[@f0repl4y]

Why is there little to no tension between Hispanics and Asians?

[@_itsdelya_]

@@f0repl4y because of colourism, some ppl apart of the hispanic community are full on racists to darker ppl (including to black hispanics)

[@Anonymous-um3im]

@@_itsdelya_ ummm not really…. I’m Mexican and we ain’t really racist we just have stereotypes like for example one that is very common is that “black people are aggressive” But we ain’t racist Mexico has many different type of skin tones.

[@Anonymous-um3im]

@@_itsdelya_ or wait I think I may have misunderstood your comment are you talking about how Asians think towards Hispanics ?

[@amarireeves4336]

They really didn’t talk about Asian racism and the impact on Asians being a “model minority” gives along with the Feminization of Asian men in TV movies and everyday life. As well as the fetishization of Asians.

[@phenitagomes1292]

Perhaps a different kind of episode. Right

[@acegikm]

I've been meeting some of the best single men ever, since I realized Asian men will often be single because of stereotypes against them. Most single men of other races I meet have other issues that keep them from dating longterm. So I've been meeting Asian men online, and haven't been disappointed. A lot of awesome Black women and Asian men are only single due to silly stereotypes.

[@lozer93gurl]

As a black person, I also wish they talked about the pressure the “model minority” stereotype puts on Asian Americans. They should do a separate video on that and the other two.

[@user-tt6be2zx3h]

those two are VITAL in understanding the asian struggle.. esp asian males..

[@FieryJuniper]

"Model citizens" are we victims suddenly? No people! We earned that respect for working our asses off without a moment to question. People if you want to stop racism, then stop talking about it and put on some pants have some backbone.

[@MarcusAlexandr_]

The Asian guy was dope af!!! Really like his perspective his awareness and his humility. Totally invited to the cookout

[@user-sz6wu6rt3r]

This video deeply touched me 🥲🥹

[@TianZhaoHeavenlyFortune]

Hey Regina, if you can see this - I'm a tech worker too, I'm sorry you experienced that. I would NEVER ever say such things to a black coworker. I actually love the tech industry because I personally think the tech industry is way more inclusive than most other industries or at least tries to be. Regardless - I hope you don't leave the tech industry because of your negative experiences - the tech industry needs more diversity and just know that I'm an ally and have faith that there are more allies in the tech industry than foes.

[@basedabdu8653]

The tech industry in Israel needs more diversity

[@poopy2382]

It's really comforting to hear that. I'm sure if she sees this it'll give her some hope too.

[@joblessboy7030]

@@basedabdu8653 That Asian Spoke as if Blacks aren’t racist....I’m Asian and I see blacks discriminate Asians all the time. Double standards!

[@mochak8563]

@@joblessboy7030 “blacks” um yeah no that’s derogatory

[@basedabdu8653]

@@joblessboy7030 I understand. I just think that Israel needs more diversity. They should bring in millions of Ethiopians into Israel permanently

[@alixreu]

A discussion between Black Americans and Native Americans would be really insightful. Especially in regards to BLM. There is this really interesting article by CNN on how Native Americans are the forgotten minority in police shootings.

[@candancelazily8693]

Thank you, this needs to happen Natives get ignored

[@tylerknight9830]

i would say forgotten minority is a off-white phrase for this. BLM doesn't say that other minorities aren't being killed it's just highlighting the cases and instances where African Americans have tried to highlight what they view as injustice.

[@hopelesslyoptimistic8231]

Every race gets shot by the police why talk about natives when we haven’t even talked about the white people being shot.

[@candancelazily8693]

@@hopelesslyoptimistic8231 White people mention White people getting shot, but its usually used negatively of course every race gets shot but people want to focus on what race gets killed the most But I want to focus on Natives because they are ignored or forgotten But lets also mention everybody else like you said

[@termlimits4congressx306]

It's true but the native Americans own the casino industry where I'm from. And they have they're own areas can hunt and fish exclusively. It's just different

[@yvonneskoczek6152]

I love this channel. These videos are amazing

[@Ni-xx2lv]

loved this! & tony is the sweetest soul ever

[@blakelip3]

Middle Ground: Black Americans vs Africans we have lots of baggage to unpack within our own community

[@FlowerTower]

Black Americans ARE African Americans. Wtf?

[@blakelip3]

@@FlowerTower people in the comments don’t think so it must be a difference somewhere

[@blakelip3]

@@FlowerTower the discussion between Africans and black Americans need to be had

[@FlowerTower]

@@blakelip3 Uh... African Americans are descended from transatlantic slavery. African American and black American are interchangable. African American DOES NOT refer to african booty scratchers who just moved to America last year. Y'all still African - say that. Say, "I'm Cameroonian." or whatever tf you are. Y'all have no identity so you be pressed AF to steal the identity of the supreme black folks. Please find some culture.

[@HAPPILYANTALIE]

@@FlowerTower were not African in the sense we don’t know our culture there’s a difference

[@rainbowcity911]

i have said this many times and i will say it again. we can not compare apples and oranges. doing the oppression olympics will get us no where. race is very diverse and has so many factors such as nationality, class, gender, sexuality, religion, we cant generalize each others races either. what we should do is listen to each others stories.

[@Daniloetcetera]

Very good point made.

[@neverbackdown1918]

Um, what? First off, race doesn’t technically exist. Second, “race” has nothing to do with any of that. It’s simply skin color. What you’re talking about is ethnicity. This is why Hispanic/Latino are considered ethnicities, but not races.

[@tru2daci]

@@neverbackdown1918 clown🤡

[@mr.monocle4812]

@@neverbackdown1918 Can you elaborate on that?

[@neverbackdown1918]

@@mr.monocle4812 just look up the definitions. Race vs ethnicity. Ethnicity has to do with culture. Race just has to do with skin color. Sure, that makes us look different, but all humans are on average 99.9% similar. Why not eye color, height, or hair color? Skin color is just the most obvious. Also, Africa in itself has more genetic diversity than the rest of the world COMBINED, yet most Africans are black. Why is that? Because skin color isn’t some significant thing. Just to give an example, an Asian and a white person would probably be more genetically similar than two people from two different tribes in sub Saharan Africa. There is also speculation that the Toba super volcano catastrophe 70,000 years ago completely decimated human life to 10000 total survivors. If this is the case, then all nearly 8 billion people are descendants of these 10000. So yeah, we may look very different to someone else, but we aren’t that much different genetically. I’m not saying that we aren’t unique or different as human beings. Of course we are. However, the differences are not as significant as they seem. Two rats may look IDENTICAL to humans, but they could have more genetic variation than any two humans on earth. We are humans so we can easily pick up on human differences. We are also innately tribalistic. We are going to want to be with and protect those that look more like us. Whether you are aware of it or not, we always judge and put people into categories. That’s just how we are.

[@iloveAUTUMNdays]

This is now one of my favorite episodes ❤

[@khaosleigon504]

After watching this (and in my feelings after this conversation with tears of happiness) I really wanna say Asians are really dope people and I hope we can definitely come together as a people to love and learn from each other because us blacks and Asians are so much alike 😊

[@YayaToure1247]

They have no similarities what so ever not even a single similarity

[@cheriehughes5660]

When Tony started crying and talking about how Asians still get the benefit of the doubt despite their racism it broke my heart.

[@songxia735]

Cherie Hughes It's pretty embarrassing tbh. Crying over such a small matter.

[@user-pm9pw6cj4c]

@@songxia735 some people are more sensitive than others. There's no "crying too much" about these things

[@MsFiyi]

@@songxia735 You just full-on displayed your lack of empathy

[@ajones2367]

@@songxia735 it's small to YOU but that really touched me as a black person that he recognized that and genuinely cared.

[@caterine4604]

LOOOLLLL I personnally found it very unnecessary that he would cry on camera like that.

[@lexil.1170]

as an american, i feel like most americans ive met have referred to asians as only being east asian... like come on there’s india, russia, iran, myanmar, the philippines, turkey, and so much more

[@zahrasaghir8657]

turkey is European/Middle Eastern and yes Iran is in Asia but many would argue it's middle eastern it even shows up anywhere on google. The Middle East isn't exactly a continent but a region.

[@MizanQistina]

@@zahrasaghir8657 Middle East is Asia

[@blackvelvet6165]

@@zahrasaghir8657 We're still Asian tho

[@quirkiebean793]

@@MizanQistina Its Afro-Eurasian. It says so. Iran is considered Asian, Turkey is considered more European, and the areas more inland on the peninsula is known as Afro-Eurasian. Egypt is considered African. This isn't me denying anything, its fact.

[@lexil.1170]

lmao i meant east asia*

[@1sinister80]

This a very balanced panel they have similar jobs and experiences. Listen to how one side talks and the other talks. I hear Victom mentality coming from one side.

[@IWANNALAFFF]

This was great to see ❤️

[@RS-on3lp]

There is no such thing as a “good” stereotype. Whenever there is a stereotype, there is negativity and hate. For example: Asian people being “smart”. This does three things. 1. Discredits the amount of work Asian individuals put in to study and go through in order to gain individual intelligence. As well as put stress on those who do not fit the stereotype. 2. As Linh said, it implies that other minorities are bad, 3. In both saying that Asians are naturally smart and that other minorities are unintelligent, it creates this idea that only white individuals work hard for their own intelligence. Feeding into the concept of white superiority. “Good” stereotypes benefit nobody.

[@wc7575]

I agree, but the stereotype does end up with Asians getting more opportunities.

[@RS-on3lp]

@@wc7575 I am aware of that, but we shouldn’t be excusing any kinds of stereotyping just because someone thinks it’s better for those in that race. When in reality the benefits are shading all of the negativity and prejudice resulting from said stereotype.

[@ironmantis25]

@@wc7575 No, getting high grades and being well-educated end up getting Asians more opportunities, the model minority stereotype is used to box Asians into a pre-defined role and trap us there. There are no good stereotypes.

[@xxnotmon939]

@@ironmantis25 do you know the stereotype of that is being held against us? Now we are being limited in where we can go college to because of apparently since we’re “smarter”, we can find other colleges and jobs easier. It would’ve work if only not many college do this.

[@loretoku4246]

@@colinshen7944 i will have to strongly disagree. being asian does not lower your chance of getting into college. in almost every ivy league university, the proportion of asians in schools like harvard is higher than their percentage of the population in cambridge, massachusetts. in many cases, asians make up the highest representation in these schools, only second to white people. asians are not penalized for the model minority rhetoric. your claim is inaccurate. in addition, many other minority groups also work hard. asians do not work harder than black people or hispanic people. no one is penalized for belonging to any group. in any case, while generally harmful to everyone, the model minority rhetoric does not negatively impact asian presence in colleges. in most cases, it does the opposite.

[@janelm7645]

i’m a little disappointed in these questions implicitly centering around the oppression of the Black community. of course, we should ALWAYS be talking about how we can further support the Black community, and there’s no question that Black people have experienced more oppression in American History than Asians, and there is a huge problem of Anti-Blackness within the Asian American community. but Asian Americans have their own history of oppression in this country that is just as valid, and those struggles so often get blown off or over looked. racism against Asians is one of the few kinds of blatant racism that is still so socially acceptable and normalized. hell, most of the Black people in this video don’t even realize it. that wasnt highlighted or talked about the way it deserves to be, the way that it really needs to be.

[@rowena0723]

Completely agree with you. A lot of covert racism in this video.

[@janelm7645]

@@rowena0723 SO much. the Black folks in this video made generalizations about Asians way too easily here, and didn’t even question themselves.

[@ghog4792]

@@janelm7645 speaking facts

[@cloudy.jpg.]

She said we go the good stereotype 🙄is annoying as an Asian American it’s a bit rude

[@cairawilliams93]

You just all lives mattered this video...... I didn't need to get to the but to know you were going to shoot down everything Black in this video. When someone says something then says but that is a contradiction to everything just stated. You said a lot of fluff then negated all of it to satiate the agenda that obviously asians are the TRUE victims here.

[@Army-ly6ly]

Tony you have such a pure heart😢❤

[@DJ71867]

Great convos

[@flipperboy2754]

Y’all should do African American VS Hispanic/Latin Americans.

[@JupiterKnight]

ASIAN MASTER RACE OVER BLACKS

[@josephgarcia3284]

@@JupiterKnight no tf

[@jmrmtch1138]

Why, Hispanics and blacks are cool

[@harperwhite8570]

@@jmrmtch1138 yes and no we have some stuff to work out

[@jen_greatguys2721]

@@jmrmtch1138 as a 1st generation latinx/hispanic, we were mostly taught to judge people base on nationality, color of their skin then race bc we come in all shade of the rainbow. that being said, i remember growing up, we would speak spanish when were around people who doesnt look like us or sound like us. but then u have people from Haiti and DR and PR and central america who were also affected by the slave trade but no one doesn’t see or want to know that bc of the influence on american history and culture. Hispanic had the end of the stick during the civil rights movement bc no one talks about our culture and the influence that we did to help other minorities during that time period. Hell we have ignorant people in the community that doesn’t want to get out of that mindset of “i work my ass off here the ‘legal’ way so why cant u?” knowing why or go “dont hang out with them bc they’ll group us up”

[@rgbb9502]

The "good" stereotype is so frustrating because our success gets downplayed and our failure gets exaggerated just because we're asian

[@vindric8330]

Yeah...

[@blackbullsquad6272]

I'm black and my best friend is like a pure genius in biology, because she want to be a Doctor and people come and say OH YOUR GOOD BECAUSE YOUR ASIAN, not because she has dream that she want to fulfill a dream

[@vindric8330]

@@blackbullsquad6272 that's so rude of them. They should give your Asian friend a credit of hardwork.

[@blackbullsquad6272]

@@vindric8330 I know is so annoying because her dream is to make people happy and save them. But for them is like your asian obviously you're going to be a doctor like WOW. This kids don't even know what they want to do but they have to mock somebody that has a plan.

[@Dakarai_Knight]

As a black person i have explained this to my community a lot that a "good" stereotype is still harmful.

[@GothBae]

i love that he was able to acknowledge the racism so deeply rooted in the asian community. alot tend to deny the fact that it exists or that they themselves have participated in complacency. He is the voice they try to hide and i respect that so much. Its wonderful to have these conversations of acknowledging all perspectives

[@matthewliu6987]

Black people commit 280x more violent crime to Asians than Asians do to blacks. Educate yourself.

[@symoneprice798]

@@Jokingboy-mm3isyou’re a part of the problem.

[@Jacobson42]

@@symoneprice798 at least asians are not attacking elderly and raping and killing women like b-lacks. b-lacks are the one who are attacking us.

[@Jacobson42]

at least asians are not attacking elderly and raping and killing women like b-lacks. b-lacks are the one who are attacking us.

[@Jokingboy-mm3is]

@@symoneprice798 you’re the problem dummy learn your facts or shut ip