The BEST 3D printing material? Comparing PLA, PETG & ASA (ABS) - feat. PRUSAMENT by Josef Prusa

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@CNCKitchen
@CNCKitchen 5 жыл бұрын
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@rikdenbreejen5230
@rikdenbreejen5230 5 жыл бұрын
CNC Kitchen, this is a great video! Thank you, this is great and useful information. thank you for all of you great content it has been very helpful for me
@1234fishnet
@1234fishnet 5 жыл бұрын
Don't forget that PLA is not suitable for CPU coolers mounting plates. ;-) I love your videos. Thanks for sharing all the knowledge and please continue with your videos and with the Meltzone podcast too.
@squidcaps4308
@squidcaps4308 5 жыл бұрын
That filament roll doesn't use less material.. It has lots and lots of hexagonal walls.. If you flatten them all, it is just one flat plane about the thickness of normal filament roll.
@Bigjeffrey123
@Bigjeffrey123 5 жыл бұрын
16:00 Density "zu" strenght and stiffness 😂
@stefanweber4548
@stefanweber4548 5 жыл бұрын
Hallo Stefan, könntest du mal Biofusion von Extrudr testen?
@diebustergarage3257
@diebustergarage3257 4 жыл бұрын
why am i watching this at 3am, i don't even have a 3d printer.
@daarisbaaris
@daarisbaaris 4 жыл бұрын
Maybe it will come in usefull one day
@itsmesoitis4059
@itsmesoitis4059 4 жыл бұрын
01:47am 😁
@silentgaming9328
@silentgaming9328 4 жыл бұрын
@@colonelhacker3661 no
@silentgaming9328
@silentgaming9328 4 жыл бұрын
@@eduardo_Skywaller1032 unless you live in india that ender 3 is 230$
@silentgaming9328
@silentgaming9328 4 жыл бұрын
@@eduardo_Skywaller1032 aliexpress and bangood is banned in india and I was like 😱 when it got banned . It basically was banned to promote Indian products use but india doesn't manufacture 3d printers and so boom .
@BenWilson24
@BenWilson24 4 жыл бұрын
As an additive manufacturing engineer, I seriously love how well done the science is on this channel...
@Patrick_Cooper
@Patrick_Cooper 4 жыл бұрын
Additive Manufacturing Engineer? You mean you make Nestle Kwik Chocolate milk powder additive. At least that is what I wanted to be at 5 years old...
@BenWilson24
@BenWilson24 4 жыл бұрын
@@Patrick_Cooper haha I make metal parts for aerospace applications
@i.i.iiii.i.i
@i.i.iiii.i.i 4 жыл бұрын
@@BenWilson24 And the metal parts are used to stir milk and the nesquick additive together so that the astronauts can have hot chocolate in space, right?!
@BenWilson24
@BenWilson24 4 жыл бұрын
@@i.i.iiii.i.i Idk if it would pass as food-grade material, but I did print a friend a fancy inconel coffee tamper
@jgoodpaster9725
@jgoodpaster9725 4 жыл бұрын
Actually sounds awesome. I’ve wanted to get into AM for a career for awhile now. Not a lot of jobs that focus specifically on that
@LTMoore-yy1lm
@LTMoore-yy1lm 4 жыл бұрын
7:50 strength tests start. 11:25 stiffness test. 12:25 impact test. 13:20 temperature test
@edstar83
@edstar83 4 жыл бұрын
0:00 Epic Video starts
@eastskate639
@eastskate639 4 жыл бұрын
Anyone wants 3d print but their parent don't give
@graydon5497
@graydon5497 4 жыл бұрын
thank you
@yulesh5726
@yulesh5726 4 жыл бұрын
MVP right here
@Simon-nx1sc
@Simon-nx1sc 4 жыл бұрын
thanks
@ethanvink1710
@ethanvink1710 3 жыл бұрын
I tested PLA, ABS, and PETG for an engineering project last year. I found that PETG was the strongest, ABS was second, and PLA was significantly weaker. I think the design of the hooks is the main difference, where yours was open, and mine was closed. An open hook applies a torque on the material, which may lead to the difference results.
@rikkardo9359
@rikkardo9359 3 жыл бұрын
How you print it makes a huge difference. When printing hotter, the layer adhesion will increase drastically, especially with PETG
@leftaroundabout
@leftaroundabout 3 жыл бұрын
Makes sense: in the stiff PLA, most of the cross-section shares the tensile component of the bending force, and only the outer wall takes the compression. Whereas PETG and ABS yield more and thereby distribute the compression zone further inwards, which means the tensile load is more concentrated on the inner wall and thus has to withstand higher tensile stress despite same load. I'd say the open hook is a rather _more_ real-world-relevant test for static strength than pure tension though. PLA's stiffness means you can easier estimate how parts will behave under mixed-compressive loading, you don't need to worry about buckling etc. as much. OTOH, if your 3D-prints need to handle strong, purely tensile loads, you're doing something wrong in design - such tasks are much better given to wires / cables / ropes etc. The flip side is of course that the stiffness exacerbates PLA's brittleness. Definitely not the right material to expose to impacts. Not to mention high temperatures.
@Valery_1954
@Valery_1954 3 жыл бұрын
@@rikkardo9359 , At higher printing temperatures, PETG becomes brittle.
@rikkardo9359
@rikkardo9359 3 жыл бұрын
@@Valery_1954 I do not have that much experience with PETG. Thanks for the info
@digibluh
@digibluh 3 жыл бұрын
@@Valery_1954 definately not unless your printing too hot for the material and it's crystalizing.
@zipp4everyone263
@zipp4everyone263 3 жыл бұрын
Its true that stiffness does not equal strength, but its also very important to remember that tension stress isnt the only parameter that matters when doing strength testing. Id like to see you test all 5 pillars of mechanical stress: tension, compression, bending, shear, and torsion.
@JL2579
@JL2579 4 жыл бұрын
PLA would really be the best material - if the temperature resistance wouldn't render it unusable for most applications. (without annealing etc). You can't put it in a car, mount an eletric motor to it, leave it in the sun - its basically living in the shadows^^ . The toughness/strength etc. can usually be compensated by making the part bigger or reinforcing areas.
@elofgren1
@elofgren1 4 жыл бұрын
Ironically, I'm printing some load bearing parts that are literally going in a temperature-controlled closet. My PLA is like "Yes! This is my wheelhouse!"
@VentoGelado
@VentoGelado 4 жыл бұрын
But can PLA be exposed to the sun tho?
@DhruvGN8
@DhruvGN8 4 жыл бұрын
I don't think your car goes to 50 degrees CELSIUS. So it should be good enough for anything of that sort, excluding impact resistance. Edit: clearly I was wrong, sorry, I guess cars do get hot. Thanks to all the people who corrected me!
@JL2579
@JL2579 4 жыл бұрын
@@DhruvGN8 Cars go up to 70 degrees celsius when left in the sun in summer. And I am not talking about death valley, just normal German summer with 32 degrees celsius outside. Problem is the greenhouse effect within the car
@independentthought3390
@independentthought3390 4 жыл бұрын
​@@VentoGelado Yes it can be, uv light will not damage it significantly.
@arcreed13
@arcreed13 5 жыл бұрын
Would be very interested in seeing this test repeated with the prints having spent a significant time under a UV light
@gg-gn3re
@gg-gn3re 5 жыл бұрын
I can tell you 1 thing: rip PLA
@steffengr.5556
@steffengr.5556 5 жыл бұрын
What is a significant time? I have Wood PLA stuff outside in the garden since August last year. So far still looks good.
@gg-gn3re
@gg-gn3re 5 жыл бұрын
@@steffengr.5556 Wood PLA isn't fully PLA. straight PLA degrades here in the sun after like 8 months it starts to crack & be brittle.... Ofc we're at 9000ft above sea level. ABS has lasted forever and petg has so far been ok
@MaxQ10001
@MaxQ10001 5 жыл бұрын
We already know that PLA can't handle UV. No test needed. If you are going to put PLA printed parts outside in the sun, paint them :-)
@arcreed13
@arcreed13 5 жыл бұрын
Was more interested in the actual figures for ASA vs petg for tensile and deformation post uv
@MurphyTJ
@MurphyTJ 5 жыл бұрын
For me it's PETG all the big things. Easiest to print (always sticks perfectly to the build plate!) and is quite strong. For small items it's PLA because it has the best finish surface. ASA for high temps.
@vincenthernandez2242
@vincenthernandez2242 Ай бұрын
I've been researching what filament and style of printer would be best for building an automated hydroponic gardening system. It would need to be strong enough to hold several pounds of vegetation but also light and heat resistant. Would ASA in an enclosed printer be the best option?
@chemistt
@chemistt 5 жыл бұрын
I would add that the prusa spool design is also great if You want to dry filament....if the sides are solid then the bottom layers wont get that dry
@CNCKitchen
@CNCKitchen 5 жыл бұрын
Good point, though some argue that the perfect winding is bad for drying since it doesn't leave a lot of gaps. Can't really comment on the last point, though.
@chemistt
@chemistt 5 жыл бұрын
@@CNCKitchen me neither....Ive only observed that for same amount of drying time - spools with holes on the sides started degrading print much more layers later than ones that are solid
@Qwarzz
@Qwarzz 5 жыл бұрын
@@CNCKitchen I guess you could also argue the perfect winding will keep the filament inside the spool drier.
@bobcunningham6953
@bobcunningham6953 5 жыл бұрын
Part design techniques, infill techniques, slicing tweaks, filament selection, printer configuration, the list goes on. So many variables to consider! I'm quickly losing track of how best to get from an idea to a great print using my software tools, equipment and filaments. I'm thinking Stefan has provided enough information to not only generate a basic decision tree, but to provide surface plots of the trade-offs between choices at each level in that decision tree. I'm thinking he should collect his data and wisdom to author a book: "Engineering the 3D Printing Process for Consumer Printers and Filaments." I'd buy one!
@TimmyBlumberg
@TimmyBlumberg 4 жыл бұрын
I absolutely agree. That would be a fascinating read. However, I assume it would probably be more profitable for him to spend his time just creating videos like these.
@julians.2597
@julians.2597 3 жыл бұрын
He's putting the info out there, and apparently you're watching it. Just take notes😉. But seriously, take notes. You won't be able to remember the exact results in a week's time, all you'll be able to remember is the tier list you compiled to fit your applicarions. At least thats all I can remember. If you write it down, if in the future you're ever in doubt all you'll need to do is look into your notes, a sub one minute thing, instead of warhhing a 17 minute video you'll have to find first.
@tralfazy
@tralfazy 2 жыл бұрын
Book? What's that? When I need information I look it up on KZbin and other Internet sites. We have the information of the entire world at our fingertips. If I need information it needs it to be searchable, therefore digital. Books are something from the past as far as I am concerned. I've bought thousands of books in my lifetime but no more.
@maurotanure5973
@maurotanure5973 4 жыл бұрын
Here at Speedbird Aero, we are changing from PLA to PETG because of the temperatures in Brazil. On a sunny day, the PLA parts simply can't handle the temperature when the drone is outdoors. Amazing video, as always!
@mikerhinos
@mikerhinos 5 жыл бұрын
Discovered ASA recently, and now it's my favourite filament... If possible use an enclosure because of warping and layer adhesion, fan 20% max , but the best part is it can be smoothed with hot acetone vapour just like ABS. It gives you injected plastique look, with no layer visible at 0.2mm, at all...
@jimintaos
@jimintaos 5 жыл бұрын
Hmm. I may try that on my next filament order.
@rileyfenley522
@rileyfenley522 5 жыл бұрын
I have been seeing ASA pop up more and more. So I did some research and will definitely be getting some on my next filament order.
@DrDefimus
@DrDefimus 5 жыл бұрын
fan at 0% improves layer adhesion massively and helps a lot to prevent warping cracks in large prints
@karellen00
@karellen00 5 жыл бұрын
Also it's really easy to sand!
@ericray7173
@ericray7173 Ай бұрын
ASA is a revolution if your printer prints it well (the P1S is perfect).
@JamesMelton
@JamesMelton 3 жыл бұрын
I'm really grateful for you amd this channel. Being new to 3D printing, caring about the subjects of your content, but lacking the time to learn on my own, your contributions cannot be understated. Please keep up the fantastic work! You have made a huge impact on me already, and allowed me to produce amazing things!
@glennedwardpace3784
@glennedwardpace3784 5 жыл бұрын
From an aircraft design perspective, quadcopter or otherwise, ASAs lower density looks really attractive. I can print something 15 percent bigger for the same filament weighty, and design members and walls 15% thicker. Since stress usually acts on the outside skin of a part first, that 15% bigger makes a big difference to the ultimate strength
@Wernerrrrr
@Wernerrrrr 4 жыл бұрын
I think warping might be an issue. 3dLabprint did experiment with a low density PLA for non load bearing parts I saw in a video and they recommend it.
@CNCKitchen
@CNCKitchen 4 жыл бұрын
Video on that coming 😉
@seemlesslies
@seemlesslies 4 жыл бұрын
@@CNCKitchen While it's nice to use 3d printed parts for aircraft related things it's generally one of the worst materials in terms of it's strength to weight ratio especially when you consider alternative like wood or foam or composites. Weight is the enemy when you're making performance aircraft.
@inkz34
@inkz34 3 жыл бұрын
Hey, have you tested how ABS or resin prints perform in aircraft parts?
@mikaeljaakkola470
@mikaeljaakkola470 4 ай бұрын
@@seemlesslies
@GnuReligion
@GnuReligion 5 жыл бұрын
Certainly someone has used multiple extruders to create composite solids with interweaved materials. This may produce interesting strength test results. Nylon/ASA.
@danielschnaars6014
@danielschnaars6014 2 жыл бұрын
I'm going to watch this more than once. The first time was just pure enjoyment. The second time I realized I should have been taking notes. Will definitely be sharing this video with my students. Thanks!
@nonyabeeznuss304
@nonyabeeznuss304 3 жыл бұрын
This channel has become a go-to invaluable resource for my projects! Thank you for actually doing the science and not just being a glorified advertizer.
@LithophaneMaker
@LithophaneMaker 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your rigorous studies!
@radovanobal3842
@radovanobal3842 5 жыл бұрын
I use PETG for anything I use in the car and if there are parts that I expect to break and do not want flying parts all over the place. PLA+ for everything else. I do not have conditions to print ASA
@davemilke3110
@davemilke3110 4 жыл бұрын
I am ordering my first 3D printer. This video has been extraordinarily helpful for me in my expectation. Thanks, very(VERY) well done.
@chipschnarel6180
@chipschnarel6180 5 жыл бұрын
Another interesting dimension for your tests would be abrasion. Which materials would be best for uses like gears or shafts and bushings or cams? Do any of the materials self-lubricate as they wear? Your quantified analysis is very useful and unique in this hobby environment. Great job. Thank you. We are looking forward to more videos.
@BikerMage
@BikerMage 3 жыл бұрын
I used the sample PLA roll that came with my printer, then immediately switched to PETG. It's a bit tougher to dial in, but the thermal and UV resistance are good things in my opinion. And the warpage can be a good warning sign before complete failure, especially in printer parts. Oh, and small stringing can be easily burned off with a lighter.
@parrottm76262
@parrottm76262 5 жыл бұрын
Yet another very useful video w/data generally not covered elsewhere. So grateful for your efforts.
@jgarmer
@jgarmer 5 жыл бұрын
i use petg when i need part to flex a little without snapping like i printed some hooks to keep my shed doors open they needed to bend a little to allow the door to pass under then click down to hold in place when i try pla it just snapped even when i annealed them petg is still going stong. i also notice with many materials exposed to the hsrsh Florida sun petg seems to hold up very well to uv and barely fade its color. Pla can fade quite a bit in the full sun and dark colors like browns and black absorb enough infrared that they wurp badly but lighter colors can survive I print quite a bit of abs in an enclosure made of pvc and mylar blankets and it works quite well for taller print you have to be sure to Orient it so the heat from the bed can flow up the print evenly. if it traps heat the you can get layer issues. The mylar blankets can keep it around 38c in chamber with no problem. Great work on your research.
@86abaile
@86abaile 5 жыл бұрын
It seems I was mislead about the strength of PETG, now I'm struggling to think of a use I might have for it.
@MrWeaponlord
@MrWeaponlord 5 жыл бұрын
Same, now i'm thinking about ABS+ or ASA.
@kamilchodzynski9395
@kamilchodzynski9395 5 жыл бұрын
The same here. However I have the HDglass PETG and it seems to be stronger than PLA I have from the same company. I can really break it easier...I do not get it...
@alejandroperez5368
@alejandroperez5368 5 жыл бұрын
@@kamilchodzynski9395 Higher temperature resistance and it won't burst like PLA, so it is more durable.
@frankhovis
@frankhovis 5 жыл бұрын
I'm more surprised by how well PLA did in the strength test. No PLA I've used would stand any where near 73Kg on that pull test.
@kamilchodzynski9395
@kamilchodzynski9395 5 жыл бұрын
Exactly, as I said my PLA is far weaker than here presented. Either the Prusa PLA is super strong or PETG very weak unless the settings are special...
@vincentbarkley9121
@vincentbarkley9121 3 жыл бұрын
Terrific video, you answered all the questions I've been having surrounding filament materials. I love the test apparatus you built.
@kyleniedermeier6651
@kyleniedermeier6651 5 жыл бұрын
I appreciate your consistent testing! Thank you!
@CondensedComments
@CondensedComments 4 жыл бұрын
Stop! Don't leave this video! If you're like me and just want someone to say "x is the strongest filament," abandon that cause and watch this video! I did (at 2x speed) and can say it'll answer that question in the detail required that you didn't know was necessary! The tests and experiments contained herein were excellent. Maybe because the concept was new to me, the impact test astounded me at it's simplicity of design. I wasn't sure if this was an industry standard or his own invention but I knew that the results, regardless, were accurate. The 3 point test was scientifically exact and accurate as well. The thing I found interesting in regards to "x = best" was that each filament may serve better in different applications and you could potentially use different filaments in the same machine depending on what stress is where. Well done video. Subbed! Proverbs 27:17
@carrrebuilds5425
@carrrebuilds5425 3 жыл бұрын
Great information! Thank you for all the work you put into these tests! I just started using a 3D printer and have only used PLA. I plan to get some smaller spools of PETG and ABS soon to see how it works.
@shahafe2000
@shahafe2000 4 жыл бұрын
Great analysis, answered most of my concerns on choosing the right filament - as expected PLA is the best for 90% of use-cases
@SergiuszRoszczyk
@SergiuszRoszczyk 5 жыл бұрын
Great job, as always! I use PLA and PET-G. ASA and ABS are no go for me due to their potential threat to health. I mostly use PLA and support it with PET-G when bending instead of cracking or higher temperature is need (like in-car hooks). I also use flex 40D material as a thin supporting layer (ie to create soft surface on a hand watch mount) or absorb a bit of vibration (like mounting something to my electric scooter).
@HeroCP7
@HeroCP7 4 жыл бұрын
Doesn't all materials pose a health risk due to their fume emissions?
@abyteuser6297
@abyteuser6297 2 жыл бұрын
And microplastics
@petemoss7256
@petemoss7256 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Stefan, Your video helped me alot with my Antenna block project. I'm printing an antenna holder for the Ubiquiti UAP outdoor wifi antenna. I ended up going with ASA in my final choice due to it's impact strength (it needs to be hurricane-proof), and be wind and bird resistant (wind and birds would twist the antenna to where the wifi would be decreased significantly) ASA also has superior resistance to UV, but also Temperature, and I also needed it to bear hot and humid weather as well as moisture.
@TheOriginalGeekyNoob
@TheOriginalGeekyNoob 5 жыл бұрын
Really surprised to see PETG perform the way it did, its become my new go-to at present, though its tear as opposed to shear characteristic is desirable for the project I am working on. As you rightly say Stefan, there is no single ideal filament, only a "best for application".
@theoldhobbit3640
@theoldhobbit3640 4 жыл бұрын
As a total newcomer to the 3D printing hobby, this has been a really interesting lesson in the different qualities of different materials. I have been using standard PLA at about £20 per kilo from ERYONE and I find that it is a good all rounder and prints quite well. My idea of a good print may differ from others, but I am very happy with it. Thank you for taking the time to share your results with us.
@GraveUypo
@GraveUypo 3 жыл бұрын
i'm a cheapskate so i'll buy whatever is cheapest. never had trouble because of that, cheap ones are pretty good nowadays.
@BBFPV
@BBFPV 4 жыл бұрын
That is why it is called "Hooke's law"
@CNCKitchen
@CNCKitchen 4 жыл бұрын
That needs to make it on a T-Shirt.
@jerrypape5710
@jerrypape5710 4 жыл бұрын
That was the most awesome video about FDM materials I have ever seen. Your work is really meaningful.
@JasonZnack
@JasonZnack 5 жыл бұрын
Your test methodology seriously disadvantages the ASA layer adhesion. Using a bed slinger with fan on without a heater enclosure is worst case scenario for ASA. Would very much like to see a deeper look into ASA performance with it's unique requirements taken into consideration. It's a really high performance material when used correctly. UV resistance, high temp resistance, chemical resistance, impact resistance, less smell than ABS, and easier to print that polycarbonate.
@jarnold2000
@jarnold2000 5 жыл бұрын
J Z good comment - I have been trying to use the Prusament ASA this winter and haven’t been getting good results, especially with layer adhesion. Would also love to see some follow up on how to accommodate ASA with home 3D printers.
@JasonZnack
@JasonZnack 5 жыл бұрын
@@jarnold2000 I use a vented tent over my corexy. The heated bed is large and powerful and can keep the inside of the tent to about 40c which seems enough. 0 part cooling fan as well.
@Muffincaek
@Muffincaek 5 жыл бұрын
*repeats what Stephan says about ASA and doesn't notice the enclosure*
@dimitri877
@dimitri877 5 жыл бұрын
I use Devil Design uncolored ASA, and can't even print with it when the ambient temperature is under 30°C (bed adhesion/warping). I use a home made enclosure which is clad with insulated reflective foil, capable of reaching a toasty 65°C. When printed in a heated enclosure, I can't even bend similar parts by hand which snap with ease in PLA. Also part cooling is a no-go with ASA, even the hot-end fan can ruin the properties of ASA. The only downside I found (but may be fixable) is that ASA shrinks a lot more when cooling after printing, so holes and alignment keying can be a bit of a pain.
@jarnold2000
@jarnold2000 5 жыл бұрын
@@JasonZnack Very cool. I need to try to get to building an enclosure so some sort. Or at least wait until the weather warms up. :) Will try no cooling too.
@gaellafond6367
@gaellafond6367 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this review. Very useful as usual. To answer your question, I print mostly with PLA. It's easy and surprisingly good. I print with PETG when I need better heat resistance, such as parts for my printer or the ones that goes in the car.
@BelviGER
@BelviGER 5 жыл бұрын
I stick to PETG since it prints amazingly and is stable
@grantmartin6293
@grantmartin6293 Жыл бұрын
For someone just learning, this has been extremely informative. Thank you!
@jeffvader811
@jeffvader811 4 жыл бұрын
Love these videos. I've actually used PLA before to 3d print model rocket nozzles, and as long as the burn times were short it held up pretty well. I only saw about 1mm of erosion over a 1 second burn, since the nozzles were single use anyway this wasn't a problem. Might post the testing footage when I've got time to put together a video.
@KeplerEng
@KeplerEng Ай бұрын
Just a suggestion, I’m watching this video for a school project and would have loved a chart at the end summarizing all the data and values you got
@Butters69Channel
@Butters69Channel 5 жыл бұрын
I have made a lot of things for my daily life including some chainsaw parts. I use PETG for everything now after some of my PLA parts warped in my car on a sunny day. Lately I've been doing some more detailed work with overhangs and bridges. I miss PLA's no hassle printability.
@rusemers
@rusemers 3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant analysis with a balanced interpretation of the measured results.
@SuperMakeSomething
@SuperMakeSomething 5 жыл бұрын
Fantastic as always! Thank you for this information -- very useful and informative!
@admniyeokuyorsun...3044
@admniyeokuyorsun...3044 3 жыл бұрын
Materials engineer here, even thou the tests are not standard, they are pretty decent to compare the materials. I would prefer petg hands down for most applications. Petg is a very sweet spot of additive manufacturing filaments. It is watertight with 1.75 mm wall thickness, can handle temperatures up to 75-80 degrees, ductile at low strain rates, moderate fracture strength, moderate impact strength, stiffness is a bit low but when you get a wall thickness of around 3mm, its very stiff. It is a very sweet material to 3d print structural parts.
@jackking414
@jackking414 Жыл бұрын
why do you like it over asa?
@PCPointerDE
@PCPointerDE Жыл бұрын
Good comparison. But in reality, other parameters and the combination of various parameters are crucial. But for an overview it's a good comparison.
@jacobfalk4827
@jacobfalk4827 5 жыл бұрын
I like ABS because I can split difficult parts, print them separately, and then glue them together with ABS glue.
@grodtstudio
@grodtstudio 4 жыл бұрын
Try Aceton to glue...this Weld two parts direct.
@pr51
@pr51 4 жыл бұрын
Is ABS different to these three?
@connerstephen8334
@connerstephen8334 4 жыл бұрын
Fantastic Analysis! Summary at 14:09 Worth the full watch if you have the time.
@badasscop4459
@badasscop4459 4 жыл бұрын
That review deserves you getting paid my friend, a very detailed review, just wow. Look no further for desiding which filament is the best. 10 star review. 👍👍👍👍
@sidhintzsche6773
@sidhintzsche6773 3 жыл бұрын
Wow Stefan, ich kann nur sagen deine Videos haben wirklich eine durchgängige Profi Qualität! Die Mühe die du dir mir deinen Experimenten machst, da kommt hier kaum wer ran. Immer wieder sehr interessant! Ich hätte nicht erwartet dass PLA doch noch so gut abschneidet! (Hitze test mal außen vor xD)
@CNCKitchen
@CNCKitchen 3 жыл бұрын
Vielen Dank! Da bist Du nicht der Einzige, der PLA unterschätzt.
@anjanbabu3429
@anjanbabu3429 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for these experiments, they help me a lot in my own experiments. I've been using eSUN PLA+ for my 3D printed planes for a while now and they seem to perform better than the other materials like Flashforge & Wanhao filaments that I use. It'll be cool if you can compare the eSUN line up of materials experimentally, considering they're pretty inexpensive for the quality that I find in them. I use the PLA+ for fuselage parts & ABS+ for parts that may get hot like motor mounts. I do crude testing for stiffness by hanging weights on printed cantilevers & do drop tests for checking impact strength resistance.
@TsunauticusIV
@TsunauticusIV 4 жыл бұрын
Sounds odd but I have discovered that cleaning the filament before printing makes layer adhesion much better. Perhaps some sort of oils form during manufacturing? Not sure. I wipe mine with rubbing alcohol on a rag as I re-spool a new spool onto an empty spool. Give it a try. You’ll be surprised at the amount of gunk on the filament!
@maddus_
@maddus_ 4 жыл бұрын
I love how in the impact test that the ASA didn't even break all the way through
@NinjDS
@NinjDS 4 ай бұрын
If you want to skip the 5 minutes advertisment for his sponsor, jump to 5:31, you're not missing any information regarding the video title.
@avejst
@avejst 5 жыл бұрын
Great video as always I use PLA when it is a indoor item I use ASA when it is a outdoor item (and I love the surface of the prints :-) ) I use PETG when the item is a practical item, there you have some ware on the item. more stringing but very usabil oh and mostly from filament PM, i think there quality is in Pruca league. Thanks for sharing :-)
@gunmetalrook432
@gunmetalrook432 8 ай бұрын
Living in Florida, I default to PETG because of the heat. Nothing I make is regularly outdoors or in the car, but if power gets knocked out or I do forget something in the car I can rest easy knowing the heat won't warp it at all. However, revisiting this video several years later, I do see that I have discounted PLA too much. I will start using them more interchangeably, I greatly enjoy the ease of printing with PLA.
@attackemartin
@attackemartin 4 жыл бұрын
was listening to this video while doing other things. but then "for example, if you're crashing your quadcopter" was like awaking from a dream with instant focus :D
@dernicolas6281
@dernicolas6281 3 жыл бұрын
well done comparison. One of the few channels where it's not totally embarrassing how the words stiffnes and strength are used.
@spikekent
@spikekent 5 жыл бұрын
Very well presented and highly informative as always. Thanks Stefan. I mostly use PLA but for mechanical parts it's PETG all from @3dprintz. I do have other filaments for other projects too.
@JuliaC-sp5qk
@JuliaC-sp5qk 5 жыл бұрын
Yee 3dprintz filament is brilliant!
@hansihintersoos7581
@hansihintersoos7581 3 жыл бұрын
Steige grad beim 3D drucken ein, danke für das tolle Video Stefan! :)
@smashyrashy
@smashyrashy 3 жыл бұрын
Anyone else watching who doesn't even have a 3d printer😂😂
@ttp_007
@ttp_007 4 жыл бұрын
Dang, you are the real filament man!!! Thanks for taking the time to make the video!!! Subscribed!!!
@GraphiP
@GraphiP 5 жыл бұрын
I would love to see different types of PLA tested. (Using example I know about) Like Fiberlogy has Impact PLA (Claims to have up to 800% compared to regular PLA and 50% compared to ABS more impact strenght) and HD PLA (special for annealing) and regular PLA's. I wonder how different they really are when tested, is it just marketing or there is some truth there.
@michaelschaub
@michaelschaub 5 жыл бұрын
Usually fiber infused materials provide more strength along the layers, but the layer adhesion suffers. Making the weak point weaker and the strongest point stronger has very limited usecases.
@gabiold
@gabiold 5 жыл бұрын
Good tests! Finally you shown that PETG is probably the worst choice for machine parts, contrary to the common belief. As I print mostly functional parts (as opposed to design/art) I've read many material's datasheet and came to the same conclusion what your test show. I never really accepted the common mantra as "print in PETG, it is stronger".
@muchtall
@muchtall 5 жыл бұрын
What's up with the concrete paver stones underneath the printers? Are they being used as some sort of vibration dampener?
@CNCKitchen
@CNCKitchen 5 жыл бұрын
Yes and the foam also isolates the printer from the desk to avoid resonances. Seriously THE best and cheapest you can do for your printer!
@muchtall
@muchtall 5 жыл бұрын
@@CNCKitchen Smart! I'll have to give that a try!
@Duron1233
@Duron1233 5 жыл бұрын
And in addition to that, the stone serves as fire protection.
@doobedoobedo1
@doobedoobedo1 5 жыл бұрын
I can vouch for a paving slab + foam as a huge upgrade too. Prints are better, printer is quieter. The foam doesn't have to be thick, I cut up a cheap yoga mat.
@WaemYt
@WaemYt 3 жыл бұрын
ASA is uv stable and can withstand temperature upto about 100 degrees celsius which might be its biggest advantage. So it can be a good choice for outdoor project in the sun. The bad layer adhesion compered to PLA is a huge bummer because it limits the the design posibilities.
@CurJam87
@CurJam87 5 жыл бұрын
I would like to see some testing on some TPU hooks
@ZILLION4EVER
@ZILLION4EVER 5 жыл бұрын
look back in his videos, has already been done ;)
@CurJam87
@CurJam87 5 жыл бұрын
dr_BD I can’t seem to find it
@CNCKitchen
@CNCKitchen 5 жыл бұрын
Didn't test any TPU, yet.
@licensetodrive9930
@licensetodrive9930 5 жыл бұрын
Yes I'd also like to see some TPU hook tests, it's the perfect printable material for holding sport cams & some other things on quadcopters. Its resistance to heat makes it great to hold video transmitters without melting. Only once I've had a TPU part in a crash fail from the layers separating a little bit because it was 'wet' when printed. I just took a soldering iron and melted the seam back together. But now I dry all my filaments and store them in air tight tubs with silica gel beads, dry TPU prints look so good and are so strong.
@lauril1377
@lauril1377 4 жыл бұрын
I'm living in Nordic weather and minus degrees are normal during winter, down to -30C. I'd love to see you test these materials with cold temps also! Another point to add - impact strength of some plastics is increased when they have absorbed some water. I know this from RC hobby and propellers. Running them after winter, when they've dried out, they are very brittle. The trick is to put them into hot water and stay there for 12+ hours. So I hope you could take on cold test and hygroscopic (after printing) test of these materials.
@PurchenZuPoden
@PurchenZuPoden 5 жыл бұрын
What I have discovered with my BASF ASA filament is, that it degenerates the longer the material is in the hot nozzle. I improved the layer adhesion by printing my ASA parts as fast as possible. Have you tried different speeds for ASA, Stefan?
@dadsfriendlyrobotcompany
@dadsfriendlyrobotcompany 5 жыл бұрын
You might want to try a double walled enclosure for ABS/ASA. Or an insulated one. You can also make a heated one with a space heater, a duct, a fan and a controller to exhaust the heat to keep it at a constant temperature.
@digibluh
@digibluh 3 жыл бұрын
that enclosure was HUGE for the printer. it should of been way smaller. lol.
@YunFuriku
@YunFuriku 5 жыл бұрын
Personally I'm still sticking mostly to PLA due to being relatively new to printing. Expanding to more materials once I get more skilled :) PETG is interesting me at least.
@michaelschaub
@michaelschaub 5 жыл бұрын
Try it Today's PETG is super simple. Especially if you have a decent printer like the Prusa, standart settings do the trick. Press start and go to bed. No issue. Perfect surfaces, robust prints.
@moth.monster
@moth.monster 5 жыл бұрын
If you're printing PETG using Cura, make sure to up the temps to something around 240c for the hotend. If you have one where the PTFE tube goes into the hotend, you'll need to get an all metal one for it too. That would only apply with something like an Ender 3 though; the Prusa wouldn't need modifications... maybe to slicer settings thouhg.
@GraveUypo
@GraveUypo 3 жыл бұрын
@@moth.monster idk i'm priting petg with 225c and it seems to work better for my filament. increasing the temperature that much causes more stringing. the recommended range on the sticker of my roll is 220~240. although i did get a bit of underextrusion when i was printing with 0.32mm layers that ruined some practical prints.
@WindCatcherRC
@WindCatcherRC 5 жыл бұрын
I use PETG for parts I put into my RC plane kits that I sell. Once tuned, PETG prints very well with no stringing. The only issue I get sometimes is the blobbing on the end of the nozzle. Due to the blobs I only print one part at a time to avoid a drip which ruins the part. I have not used ASA and will consider doing some testing this spring. Thanks for another great video!!
@dunlop64
@dunlop64 4 жыл бұрын
Would love to see a nylon filament done in this
@Helz777
@Helz777 3 жыл бұрын
Uber fidly. You need to temperature and humidity control your filament - even while printing. Your printer needs to be in an enclosed heated area, and you need to use your spare hot end....
@iamD2
@iamD2 4 жыл бұрын
i use asa for fine prints, 0.4 ruby nozzle on a ultimaker 2+ ,235°, 100% cooling, bed temp 100° . never failed a print. on another printer i mainly use carbon fiber with 0.8 nozzle , 215° , bedheat 60°, its strong and heat resistant. all layers melt in eachother allmost wich is nice as end result.
@fkingride.5500
@fkingride.5500 4 жыл бұрын
8:29 why dont you make them solid ?
@ivanma8825
@ivanma8825 Жыл бұрын
Good job, you have done a look of work to produce this video. 👍👍
@WhamBamSystems
@WhamBamSystems 5 жыл бұрын
Great video, very informative, surprised that PLA was so much stronger than the others!
@stevehutchesson1321
@stevehutchesson1321 2 жыл бұрын
Useful testing and comparison. I am currently making GoPro parts with PETG made in Australia where I live and I am very pleased with the results. One quirk, I can sit alonside the machine while I am printing PETG and I cannot detect any odour at all. Using the VisionMiner adhesive on a Creality glass bed and I have no problems removing the finished parts after it cools down a bit.
@CulturalOak
@CulturalOak 4 жыл бұрын
You're here for 7:49
@dabit4840
@dabit4840 5 жыл бұрын
I prefer ASA for most (mechanical) parts. Very nice material to post process. Reaming holes, welding multiple parts together, smoothing, sanding.. All those operations are easier with ASA/ABS than PETG and PLA. I am using an enclosed build chamber for printing though. Recently I got some spools from Prusa, and I really like the way they handle quality management. As a side note: if the ABS of ASA filament is really dry, I hardly get emissions from them.
@krukhlis
@krukhlis 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you, great comparison. But based on my experience and your video -- the specific material brand/vendor matters. All the PLAs I have tried in Canada( beside the Wood PLA which is not regular PLA) are weaker than PETGs. Also, PETGs I've used are significantly more wear resistant than PLA. The spindle mount I have printed with PLA material for my CNC3020 500w spindle has cracked and passed away in ~4 months because of all mechanical impacts and vibration. The same mount printed in PETG works for ~1.5 years without any issues.
@HansBrodiAutomotive
@HansBrodiAutomotive 4 жыл бұрын
The quality of these videos is insanely good!
@chiraagbohra
@chiraagbohra 5 жыл бұрын
Such a good and educational video! Thanks a lot! I'll try imitating this :D.
@graham8854
@graham8854 11 ай бұрын
This was really useful information for someone new to 3d printing. Thank you.
@ameliabuns4058
@ameliabuns4058 5 жыл бұрын
If only peek wasn't so pricey. And easier to print lol. I wish u tested nylon and pc too!
@g_gaming2893
@g_gaming2893 15 күн бұрын
I probably watch this 2 times a year for the last 3 years lol
@LZNico
@LZNico 4 жыл бұрын
Results at 14:10
@jimintaos
@jimintaos 5 жыл бұрын
Somewhat new to 3d printing but have shifted from PLA to PETG because of the higher thermal resistance in the event I leave one of my prints in the car. I have not tried ABS or ASA yet. The one thing I really don't like about the PETG is the hard little globs that sometimes get jammed up in the print and either cause it to break free of the bed or cause the belt to skip and offset the layers from that point.
@lavachemist
@lavachemist 4 жыл бұрын
It's available on Amazon* *Sometimes
@stanf7371
@stanf7371 Ай бұрын
Great video. Don’t have a printer so this was great to get info on materials! Thank you
@blackbusiness7
@blackbusiness7 4 жыл бұрын
Charpy machine! That brings back memories from college. Also, I didn't see a pretty graph for the thermal test. (I was screen-shoting* each.)
@marceloandriolo819
@marceloandriolo819 Жыл бұрын
One of all the best videos about 3d printer materials, thanks for share
@dolkslab
@dolkslab 4 жыл бұрын
the original prusa® i3™ mk3™ made by Prusa® labs™ by Joseph™ Prusa® using PRUSAMENT™ by Prusa® Labs™ Approved by Joseph™ Prusa® Using original Prusa®Slicer™ by Joseph® Prusa™
@youtubevanced4900
@youtubevanced4900 4 жыл бұрын
Printed a monitor vesa mount today. Put a 27" monitor on it. 2 hours later the Mount snapped and the monitor fell into the camp chair and cushions I had setup just in case. I printed it in PLA. I printed it in an orientation that didn't require supports but it reduced the strength. It snapped between layers.
@teddysurf
@teddysurf 4 жыл бұрын
Jesus Christ I’m literally 4 minutes into this thing and he hasn’t gotten to the content yet... Update: scratch that 6 minutes and still hasn’t got to the content...
@jaym6988
@jaym6988 3 жыл бұрын
Well done for such a concise test, very helpful indeed.
@CNCKitchen
@CNCKitchen 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@andreamaralfaria4025
@andreamaralfaria4025 4 жыл бұрын
My chosen filament is ASA for outdoor applications. I produce Paintball equipments and the rigidity and outdoor specs, make it perfect! Hard to print for sure, just took me about 3 months to get it very good!
@jacobseay9035
@jacobseay9035 4 жыл бұрын
This is fantastic. Well executed and documented. As an engineer I really appreciate your methods. I have been using PLA+ which has a slightly higher softening temperature and am trying out PETG soon. I have issues with ABS/ASA because I live in a cold area and don't have an enclosure. I have had multiple prints fail because of bad layer adhesion with ABS.
@Crisisdarkness
@Crisisdarkness 2 жыл бұрын
I would recommend you make a closed space for your printer, you can support it with some glass sheets and some metal profiles, the key is not to lose temperature due to your icy environment
@AlexandreG
@AlexandreG Жыл бұрын
Bro, being an engineer doesn't make your appreciation for his methods any more valuable, I know it might be hard to grasp, but most engineers, and especially the pretenxious ones, are really shitty at knowing their stuff, trust me, I'm an engineer 😂
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