"I Have A 8% Win Rate In Iron 4 RN and It's Demoralizing" -- My Response

[@dominicmaluski7076]

One thing about warding and map awareness, I used to ward constantly, but I was never looking at the map so it didn't help much. I've found now that I look at the map much more often, I'll notice when we have no vision and WANT to ward because I can't see anything. I feel like telling people to ward doesn't help the underlying issue which is map awareness. If you build map awareness, you'll want to ward though

[@geli95us]

And the underlying issue of lack of map awareness is bad threat assessment, if you feel threatened you'll want to look at the map, if you look at the map you'll realize that you don't have vision and thus feel unsafe, which will make you want to ward to increase safety

[@soul0172]

wards help others too

[@unremorse]

if your team doesn't lay vision, take the enemy champions that you can see on the map, and then make a guess based on what objectives are up, wavestates and probability of champions that you can/can't challenge in each lane

[@Connor-iu1xc]

Simply... Ward for yourself, pull the shitters to you. Then.... Dont die = win games.

[@mathijsfrank9268]

Is no one gonna talk about how a rabbit ate tristana's keyboard cable....

[@tylertenreiro4045]

18:02

[@mindlessducc]

damn

[@JacobTheSunPreacher]

The same happened to me, but instead of the kb cable it was my notebook charger cable.

[@ailst]

I can relate hard. I also have 2 rabbits. The one I most recently adopted found ways to circumvent my cable-security. By pushing away boxes and squeezing through narrow passages. While my keyboard-cable is safe, he killed the Internet connection twice. I now have barred the access to the cable and it's running over my door instead of along the floor. And yes, one of the times it happened while I was playing lol.

[@L9nexah]

@@ailst LMAO literally the same happened to me, I also have 2 rabbits and they ate the internet cable multiple times

[@ImKioto97]

I saw someone mentioning this reddit post yesterday and I thought "This would make a good Coach Curtis video". And of course, the next day coach delivers, as always

[@GubbiGap]

Hope they link the video to them or that this video in some way reaches them

[@hairykraken3541]

getting flashbanged by white mode reddit

[@HamsterPants522]

Physical damage from the white light, and psychic damage from it being reddit. GG

[@brunomacias460]

are you the guy that comments on runeterra twitter with this same profile

[@Matt-de7ro]

Just came back to play League after years and I noticed that even "silver" players nowadays seem to know some concepts that used to be "intermediate" 3-4y ago. In terms of mechanics, it seems the gap really increases after Esmeralda though...

[@crollo_songs]

Yea I thinks after the gipsy girl and Quasimodo the level of mechanical plays has increased a lot

[@thirtyseven8284]

@@crollo_songs😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@eight8muzik]

Esmeralda

[@eight8muzik]

​@@crollo_songs😂😂😂😂

[@goticogordo]

It’s weird because players are much worse now, but it’s because we have more players and more elos, I do believe the avarage player know more given the information around, but league was much harder to climb before, I peaked challenger on season 9 but was master (grand master when it released) since season 5till season 10, and I stoped playing on 2020 and came back at the end of last year, like, I feel that climbing now is just so easy, no promos, a lot of elos, like, master tier players before are pretty much what challenger is, I was passing by masters and it was like playing with and vs play players back then, it’s like people know the basics but the rest they are just brain dead at

[@fool9]

"Confirmation bias" was the term you were looking for

[@Gloriankithsanus]

In fact, I think he meant selective perception. Confirmation bias is the broad overall term for a lot of smaller things that play into it. "I am bronze" is not really a preconception which you could have a confirmation bias for. It's the result of selective perception from playing and ignoring your bad plays.

[@tails5388]

no. Confirmation bias is starting with a conclusion and only looking evidence that promotes that conclusion instead of looking at all the evidence available and making a reasonable decision. He was likely talking about "Positive associate" bias. Where we tend to remember or focus on positive traits and experiences over negative ones. Like ignoring red flags in an abusive relationship because they are nice *sometimes* for example.

[@jt2aw15]

you're a better person than me, to take the story seriously after they reveal they are playing on a second account

[@DlCKWALLACE]

What does that matter? Lots of people have multiple accounts. I have two myself.

[@setajucizbun7073]

it was clear "I can tell youre an iron 4 because the way you move" is a bunch of spoon fed bs for the audience. He doesn't see sht xD

[@JoshDoes]

@@setajucizbun7073 You can tell actually.

[@setajucizbun7073]

@@JoshDoes that he is iron or not iron?

[@haiimcookie]

idk if after playing 100 games I'd still be iron 4. I probably wouldn't but I made that post just because I was upset at the way things were going w me and I want to improve.

[@louc.6735]

i think oop would even benefit from never playing ranked again if they're not looking to main league of legends. this is a game you have to constantly stay on top of. that's why i quit playing ranked: i didn't want to constantly focus on getting better. I just wanted to have fun and play once in a while.

[@Gloriankithsanus]

These people then feel like playing is pointless. At least from my personal experience.

[@louc.6735]

@@Gloriankithsanus it kinda is. Unless you get high enough to make money off this game, there's really zero reason to play it. You could be building real skills instead, or going outside, or learning new things. If you're below challenger or don't have a successful youtube channel, there is no point to the game. Play to have fun. If you're not enjoying it, stop.

[@Ellviirah]

It's refreshing how helpful this video is to a new/iron player with specific and practical things this player can work on. It's not always easy to review your games and see where you went wrong, for example where he thought there was nothing he could do about the Brand gank, when most of it was not seeing him show up on the map and not reacting to it properly. This game can be overwhelming, very toxic and demoralising when people flame you for not playing perfectly. Thank you for not shaming him for being iron and giving decent advice for him to make improvements to his gameplay 😊

[@gnaronetrick]

"Confirmation bias" - favoring the information that supports what you already believe.

[@awesomebroification]

Hearing Coach Curtis say "weed edible" is the highlight of this video for me

[@scarl2t]

lmao

[@anii3611]

Yeah it felt maybe a little too specific...😅

[@youvegoattobekittenme6908]

I thought it was funny as well

[@nfefx]

@@anii3611 He did say right before he might have been 'havin a beer the other night' too lol.

[@Ruined_JG]

the part about normals is very relatable, im a d1 jungler and play normals with friends pretty frequently, i will lose to bronze players off role, while drinking and having fun and will get genuinely egod by them in chat.

[@marcuslavery7234]

Never rock a high elo border in normals, makeone mistake and your team instantly gives up.

[@papiertje2261]

Players have gotten better in general too man. I've been platinum one season, back then I even met Ocelote in one of my ranked games, most other seasons I ended up in gold. This season I even touched Iron 1. What I realized is even in Iron 1 people aren't so bad, they know how to play their character and they cs really well. Could be I've gotten older, I'm 39 now, and lost my quick reflexes. So yea, I can really understand how people end up in Iron 4.

[@Gloriankithsanus]

You don't need reflexes. As he says in the video, league is a game of anticipation - most of the time you know what's going to happen - the moment you get surprised, is the moment your personal game knowledge was lacking. People who are iron just really don't play enough with intention. Or not frequent enough to begin with. Which is totally fine.

[@reosin2536]

@@Gloriankithsanusyou dont get it. At laning i can concentrate barely on cs and enemy movement simultaneously. Adding smth more like minimap/mana/level progress overflows the brain. More older i get less stuff my brain can process.

[@Tcgmaster808]

"burden of knowledge" brooo i had this with a lot of real life related stuff when watching too much content without applying it. this can really mess you up mentally and physically, i try not to watch too much stuff about things that are really important to me

[@smappa849]

I main jungle, but have had my laning phase both mid and top periodically. For me it was such a red flag when annie goes for Kennen Kennen Kennen when they have 1100 gold and NEED to base asap. If their focus was 90% on the wave and just dumped W R on it at multiple points and pressed B they would have a 500% bigger chance to win that game. And he can fix these things, he is not hopeless at all, as long as he gets that chip off his shoulder about ranks and stuff. I remember your video which I hate to bring up, when you played in bronze to demonstrate the points we could say this Annie needs to work on. As you said yourself later, it doesn't mean anything when a competent player goes smurfing and does it, BUT this kind of demonstration really hits it home big time. Since it's a genuine iron player, again, no insult to Alex, it shows the things needing fixing, and you commenting it as a coach in the background does the job beautifully. I think we can use more of this kind of content when you feel like it, since open minded and curious people across the ladder might need just this message and a relatable case study to watch with your explanation in the background. Much ❤ for this, Big Curtis W video.

[@skylerashe]

There was a skillcapped video that probably added the most consistency to my gameplay over anything else and that video was the how to recall like a challenger or something like that. Getting a good reset is such a major fundamental part of the game I have to remember about when I leave my aram cave and do some ranked. Learning how to get good recalls without tp also made me appreciate having tp so much more. I've been playing jhin and brand adc this season and I always take tp on brand so any unfortunate bot fiesta isn't and instant game loser. But yeah making sure to crash a big wave for a cheater recall and then not letting your opponents get a good recall is winning lane 101 for me these days. Different matchups make things different every game of course but crashing that wave to make sure they lose minions and you don't is majorly important. Toplane will teach you quickly what a good death is when you get dove for a 1v1 but the wave you lose is so big that you never recover. Your opponent in that case took a great death in order to set you behind.

[@Vortex_Tornado]

That tip for practicing CS under tower by placing an enemy dummy in your base in practice tool is super helpful

[@optamis1989]

I'm just into the video and I know the feeling. Years ago in season 6 I went on a 86 game lose streak. I literally could not win a game. I just got in a super negative feedback loop. Fortunately I broke out of it. But yea, losing a ton sucks.

[@96Logan]

Great stuff, Curtis. Your philosophy on the game and podcast with Nathan has given me a new vigor for league of legends. I have played league casually off and on since season 3. I got emerald last year in flex with friends and really want to try my hand at solo/duo. The last time I played solo/duo was season 5 probably.

[@Le-sos]

something similar happend to me in valorant once, got an 18% wr over 65 games, deranked from d1 to gold 3 and kept going up and down ever since hitting d2 some weeks ago and going back to p2 yesterday really feel this guy

[@3N-85]

i saw this post yesterday and genuinely felt sad for them

[@Roman-ib8qn]

8% in iron has to be like hospital diff

[@williammeincke9071]

Its a joke a team got like 14% 4v5 and it should be higher in lower elo

[@i-i7722]

The second account works because of the tanked MMR of the main account. There are players who are completely new, dont even know what items are or do, just played 1 champ and rank and get directly to bronze-silver (I know several of those, including my 2nd account easy silver when I knew nothing about the game). It works. If you play long enough then you get to Iron where your gameplay really is. So the second account is a consolation for most new players.

[@lennyauspacken]

He has played 13 games. With this small sample size, the rank doesnt mean a lot. Its more of a vague indicator

[@jacksonferretti3159]

Its great you mention that... i play mostly norms... and when people look up my rank in game they flame me for being iron... i ignore it mostly, but im like i played 20 games lol... i enjoy league for the most part and tbh id rather play with a 5 stack or play in amateur leagues like when ESDL was around... it then feels more like a pick up basketball game then some ultra troll ego fiesta

[@lennyauspacken]

@@jacksonferretti3159 people will find any reason to flame. mostly i play without chat at all. And when i have turned it on, i mute faster then my shadow

[@krekk2751]

AND THATS WHERE THE VIDEO SHOULDVE ENDED LOL. this "coach curtis" is a goddamn fad and an embarassing clown. lol. The person needs to play his 500games and then he can ask why hes in iron. this video is garbage and advice is garbage.

[@siemaneczko6326]

Bro didn't give up and started climbing. He is iron 2 rn 49 lp. Gj and gl in your journey!!!

[@jimadler2430]

the umm at 20:23 with it being on the screen 1 second later is crazy. curtis iron 4 confirmed?

[@jakebustillos9]

before i even watch, 12 games is not ENOUGH play 100 then we can talk.. gl OP

[@garagavia]

Does Coach Curtis not know about dark mode?

[@KingprosBr]

i'm not sure if he have an account

[@eight8muzik]

People without dark mode are legit psychopaths

[@Shabadoobalikeameeboop]

light mode clears "dark mode"

[@zaine7715]

@@eight8muzik Dark mode is worse for your vision long term.

[@sololegit]

Thanks for another great video, Coach! Hope to be able to join MLA one day if I can!

[@minorproject4368]

One with your analogy. There are no new players, hence dying in NA and EU (I mean for ranked play). Simple fix: If someone is afk for 15 minutes, it terminates the game. Always have +ev double or closer to double compared to -ev. At least Dimond always rewards playing. Now with Vanguard punish players who are sorting (easier said than done) or hard inting. (Yes, there are more things to do, but this is the best way to let new players get in and stick with ranked. All popular games do this like Fortnight, CS, etc.)

[@zydeko]

so what happens if ive played a ton of video games and have over 100 games in ranked just started playing 3 or 4 weeks ago but im stuck in iron still, like ive been stuck around iron 3 and 4 and can't seem to get out bc its either i throw the game or my teammates do there's never a game where we all play equally good, it just feels like i can't improve at all even tho i know im playing better, i look at other ppl in iron and they have some sort of actual problem holding them back but for me i can't tell why im not able to climb, i did go on a win streak recently so maybe i'll be out soon but still i feel like an outlier like im the worst player in the whole world bc ive been iron4 0lp so much and its truly demoralizing

[@BMania666]

Regarding people thinking they are better than they are. The problem with a game like league is that it's very easy to recognize when your doing something good, but impossible seeing when youre doing something bad (except maybe deaths). There are a million things you can do that is bad but how would u know if u dont have a lot of experience playing the game?

[@eight8muzik]

I think I'm worse than I am. 😂

[@samkwabena3200]

I love the idea of reference points for each champion! Any way for me to find out what they would be for the champs I play? Zoe and Camille for example

[@DanikonLUK]

title had me laughing my mf ass off

[@somasaasaa4850]

I feel humiliated because I don’t actually know how brand q works or Kennem for that matter and I’ve been in emerald

[@numbertj4730]

Lol I thought I was alone in not knowing this stuff and I was only gold 1. It's crazy how much there is to know, and so much of it is just so boring to learn from their wiki page.

[@skeley6776]

Just get Gamepass for a month for 1€/$ and cancel after and connect it to ur Riot acc. Simply play every champ once in a norm and look up builds on UGG master+ euw.

[@alexanderrobrecht6452]

@@numbertj4730 I felt the same as you two, but once I've started to try out more champions (especially those, that I find really frustrating to play against) I've learned so much! If you know at least roughly how a champ is played you can outplay them so much easier. I'm only a low bronze player but I still feel like I can call upon a lot of buried information about champs, even if I havent seen or played them in ages :D

[@numbertj4730]

@@alexanderrobrecht6452 Yeah, learning that stuff is really useful, but at the certain point after you've memorized what most of the champions do it starts to feel more like homework than like a game. I love learning about nearly every game I play, but one of the reasons I've quit league now is that it makes learning really annoying. You have to play so many matches just to test out a new build, and spend time reading the essay-length ability descriptions of every new champion that comes out.

[@alexanderrobrecht6452]

@@numbertj4730 Yeah, I know what you mean. Maybe it's been easier to me, since I've played for almost ten years now. At somw point you've played so many match ups, that you just... know stuff. Not in detail, but roughly. But I also recognize, that not every person has that kind of love and time for the game. ALSO I am fortunate enough to have a really great group of five people (myself included) with whom I can play at least 2 - 3 Times a week, which makes League really fun to me.

[@CIaude]

cant believe curtis made this whole video just to cope with the fact that a silver owned him in norms 😥

[@MrCooterHunter]

I actually think there is a lot of stuff high ELO players are out of touch with. I was trying to take ranked seriously. my account is lvl 283 and i've played a significant amount of league. At least a few years. I struggled to get out of iron and i'm pretty hard stuck bronze 4. My buddy said my MMR is fucky and said i should make a new account. My new account i trained it up to 30, played my privisonals, was placed in silver 4 and i'm about to hit gold. I do SIGNIFICANTLY better in these silver1-gold 4 lobbies than the iron 1-bronze 4 lobbies. My team feeds like crazy in the iron/bronze lobbies. on my bronze 4 account, i would have to play at a plat + level in order to carry how bad my team mates are on average.

[@GatsuRage]

THIS... iron/bronze boils down to how good can u carry ur team or get carried by, is not about learning the game and playing ur role as u should is literally u better carry the S#!TOUT of this game and pray ur other team mates don't feed or int constantly which happens 7 out of 10 games in bottom tier elo. Sure there are legit new players who deserve to be in iron but there's also lots of vet players who do know how to play the game and often get called out to be "smurfing" just cos can't climb and hard stuck in low elo for one reason or another. I should also start a brand new acc and get better placement but why should I have to do that? I wanna play in my main and only account that I've been playing for years riot should fix this crap but they will never cos they rather have ppl creating more accounts.

[@tristan6773]

curtis what are your thoughts on the infamous NEACE’s approach to coaching low elo?

[@saloscontent]

approach? since when? he quit for long time ago

[@lllforgelll2421]

I've got an old first account that is in iron land and it's rough lately. Gold games on my brother's account I've pilfered are much easier. It just seems like a slooooooooow climb out in those iron games - need to carry pretty much every time AND get lucky with teammates you get.

[@awesomeonejess]

My First 700 games were bronze 5. I am NOT good at league. but I never gave up and peaked 3 LP away from diamond in season 9. considered that good enough and haven't really try-harded ranked since. which sucks cause deep in my heart im sad I never actually got diamond.

[@Gloriankithsanus]

I've never even been plat. Pretty sure only playing like 30 games a season is the main reason for that. Usually I get placed in silver and play myself to gold. That's the standard I hold for myself xD

[@marcuslavery7234]

I started playing in season 9, I was iron 4, unironically, for 40 games that season playing kindred jungle and like 20 other champs for 1 or 2 games. Next two seasons hardstuck bronze playing adc then midlane. Last season got to masers 100 lp after 2 years of two tricking Gwen and Irelia. It's not weird to be iron and bronze for quite some time if you have no gaming background, I still don't know what kennel passive is BTW.

[@awesomeonejess]

@@marcuslavery7234 ah yes. irelia, and old irelia :P

[@marcuslavery7234]

@awesomeonejess It took me ages to figure out what you meant, I've no idea how you managed to pick up on that, I meant last season, it has since been 2 years, slightly less, started playing Gwen a month or so after release, Also I say two tricking it was 85% Gwen in tank meta that got me their, if neither of those things are what you meant then I'm just confused 😕.

[@awesomeonejess]

@@marcuslavery7234 Gwen plays a lot like pre-rework irelia. :)

[@nashambenyisrael7689]

lol I just got out of iron and I swear it wasn’t this hard to get out back in the day. It’s crazy, I’ve been having success but! There’s always that ticking time bomb when you’re in a game with people that are using champs they don’t know what they’re doing.

[@Gloriankithsanus]

Guess it kind of depends what role and champ you're playing. I played toplane mordekaiser in Iron IV up to Bronze IV and I swear it was literally impossible to lose games at times. The amount of people who just don't know that morde is like next to unbeatable in a 1v1 on lv1 is astonishing. Even more amazing when they fight you again on a 2lvl lead right when they come back from base only to die again, making me start with a 650 gold lead and 2 level lead. You're very quickly so dramatically ahead that you can 1v4 their team at their inhib tower at min15 if necessary. You obviously can't do stuff like that on leona support.

[@AninhasMonteiro]

the flashbang is real

[@dael901]

I have just created a new account YT account and subscribed again. I am evil, stop laughing!

[@TheReaIHoneybadger]

19:48 Annie wards and the immediately leans the opposite side of the lane from the ward 🤷‍♂️ I’d judge, but I’ve probably done the same 🥲

[@Dronacharya-ki6mx]

My guess is that he's not going to be interested in doing this work because he's just "casually playing," not realizing that means that he's an iron 4 ladder player.

[@tristan6773]

tbh with this guy, the ranked system is a lot better now with bots. I don’t find any in my games so players are all going lower because bots filled those iron spots mostly

[@joaocatini2674]

midlane low elo micro guide pls

[@Gloriankithsanus]

learn what the champions do, learn the different ranges between you and your opposing champion and then start baiting their abilities by stepping into their range and dodging preemptively. Nothing else matters until you can do that.

[@darkskyxgames]

Somebody knows the tool he is using to draw?

[@Typhlan]

It's called 'epic pen'

[@sobreaver]

Demoralized for loosing in a game, not impossible, but you gotta keep things in perspective, life is more than a game

[@AshSaper]

I feel that half of what u said contradicts what u said on the BBC podcast.. From what i understood if he is Iron, they shouldn't be that much emphasis even on the champ specific things - its just supposed to be 'your iron - stop playing ranked, and just have fun and play different champs and role, and next time u que up, it should be when u playing at least with bronze players consistently in norms, and ur queing is in bronze lobbys'.. Idk, thats what i understood from the BBC episode.. Just a confused Iron (4) player 🥴

[@MeestLoL]

You should put your browser on dark mode

[@Marrtinike19]

What do you do tho when your overall kda is 4-1 and every second game you will have 1-2 turbo feeding lanes going 0-12?

[@saloscontent]

dont blame others. look at your pov and fix your issues.

[@Marrtinike19]

@@saloscontent so my overall kda of 4-1 is not good enough? Got it, dam, its just all me huh

[@0__Vector]

@@Marrtinike19 you're not translating your lead to a win so yes. Maybe youre overfocusing on kills or not dying. Also every second game has to be an exaggeration. either way that's such a hard blanket statement to even answer without seeing actual games to look at.

[@Zombiesbum]

There is also a chunk of smurfs in iron 4. I mean there's a meta of certain players putting their accounts there on purpose. And the system doesn't detect them; And why would it when Riot doesn't even play their own game to know of these issues. The point is; it's like playing any new account. You're going to run into players that are on their 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc account. You aren't actually playing at Iron 4 despite being Iron 4. The reality is the rank system in these games are extremely flawed, and in this game in particular. One season the system will favour duo queuing. Another season the champions you enjoy/play are sub-par (or the counters have been buffed), Or maybe the roles you play have less impact, etc, etc. Fact is that the ranked system isn't really an indication of skill (I mean it is and isn't), it's more of an indication that you follow the current flavour of Riots BS balance. Hell, if you want to increase your win rate, dodge every Red team game and play only Blue side. That automatically improves your rating (not by much, but a fraction of an increase can be enough to climb). And the fact the riot hasn't fixed that shows how they really give a shit about competitiveness, especially when champions are balanced for pro-play and not balanced for the 99.9% of players that actually make the company money. /rant

[@geli95us]

This comment is a giant red flag, you're focusing on factors outside your control when it's perfectly possible to improve your situation using just the things you do have control over. Also, you're making a lot of faulty assumptions, riot doesn't balance champions around pro-play, they mostly balance them around the elo at which they are strongest, they don't want simple champions to run rampant in low elo just so those champions can have a 50% winrate at challenger, and vice-versa. Role impact doesn't matter for climb, it makes it faster, sure, but it doesn't affect the maximum rank you can achieve, the reason is that in your games, every role is matched except your own, for example, if 90% of games were won based on who has the best toplaner, you'd auto-win 45% percent of games and auto-lose 45% of games, so they balance out, in the end, the only thing that matters is your performance compared to your counterpart. Any tricks that improve your rank won't take you very far at all, say that dodging some games gets you from 50% to 51% winrate, what happens? you go up a division, the games become harder and that 51% becomes 50% again, almost no change at all, other than wasting time dodging games. The difference is meta is more of the same thing, playing a 52% champion can maybe net you a few divisions, but having to learn a new champion each time the meta changes means you're better off developing mastery with one champion even if they are not the strongest, there are a lot of challenger players who otp sub-optimal picks, so it's obviously possible.

[@Zombiesbum]

@@geli95us I don't think you understand my main point of view: Anyone who doesn't see ranked for what it is; A fucking joke, are in fact not very bright. Nobody cares about your rank. It's not an achievement. It's a waste of time. And even more of a waste of time when it's not designed properly. That being said. I will refute your argument that riot balances around all elos. Champions that are problem champions in the competitive scene are usually gutted into the ground until Riot decides to rework them. But that's rarely done for champions that are a problem in lower ranks and are non-competitive champions in proplay. It's happened time and time again. I mean look at Sivir and a lesser extent Janna. Both very strong with a team and coordination. But they are on the weaker side for solo Q carrying. What part of that is "balancing for other elos"? Janna has been so nerfed over the years that she does literally no damage anymore, meanwhile Riots lovechild Karma can and does annihilate lanes. You're also missing the point about role imbalance. If jungler and support have the most impact in the game, then logically you should play those roles to carry and win the game. You're kidding yourself if you really think all roles are equal, and "they don't matter". Games are won based on impact on the lobby, not based on whether you win or lose your island game, please don't get that mixed up. You could be playing a champion all the time that does extremely well in lane, but doesn't scale or team fight effectively. Warwick top is an example of this. He's generally a champion to side-line team fights or push (ironically his passive is yet to be fixed to actually work against towers, meanwhile Vayne top gets love and attention (while warwick has more bugs in his kit than vayne has skills)). And your argument of learning new champions isn't really a valid argument. If you don't know the champions of the meta, then you're not really equipped to beat them in lane (as you seem to imply just beating them wins you more games). I will grant you that JUST winning your lane (and doing nothing else with it) at lower elo brackets is probably enough to climb. But then again, if you're in iron I'm pretty sure you can just turn up to lane and that increases your odds of winning. But that's more to do with enemy players quitting rather than you having an impact on the actual game. You didn't make that player quit. Just as you can't make others tilt, only nudge them in hopes they do. But then, is that really being better at the game? Or just being good at annoying other players? At that point you're not really playing league. You're playing the ladder. The take away from all of this is that Riot doesn't understand their own game. They keep releasing new content before fixing bugs of champions that are years old. So to sit there are pretend like their ranked system isn't broken/unbalanced is peek ignorance. That's the biggest red flag here.

[@soul0172]

​@@Zombiesbumleague of legends has by far the most accurate ranked system in such an obvious way. Every little delusional thing you type is an attempt to save your ego man

[@Zombiesbum]

@@soul0172 Okay, how is it then? You want to be passive aggressive, but bring no evidence or argument when you make a sweeping statement. Maybe check your own ego at the door there buddy.

[@cccbbbaaa110]

Wrong, smurfs put in queue with other smurfs. They also start in silver mmr. Real iron players will never see them

[@User-pu3lc]

Make a new account and refresh the mmr. I find it hard to believe someone is that bad for that long. You get into low iron and it’s all content smurfs and account leveling companies wrecking games.

[@L0sdef]

This video should have been called coulda woulda shoulda--

[@MrMarfsthotarmy]

I don't think that the confirmation bias thing is as true as some people think ngl. I feel like it has more to do with league being a team game where everything you do effects the team for better or for worse meaning that a lot can go wrong whether you play well or not. You just have to try and make eniugh good decisions to balance it out. Many times I've lost matches where one lane got fed and could 1v5 the rest of the team. In situations like that, you just gotta chalk it up to the game. Unfortunately that happens a lot in low elo and depending on the champs you play, you may not be able to make up for someone doing bad.

[@joshuaharris2245]

It's probably MORE true than some people think. I promise you, for every "mistake" you see your teammate doing that drives you crazy wondering how they can be in the same elo as you, you're doing a similar level mistake 20+ times without noticing. But you'll either say "ah shit" and then move on and never think about it again, or think "i rarely do that, its ok", or just straight up not notice you did it. We as humans REALLY don't like admitting to this. I'm well aware of the phenomenon, and know its true. And yet I *still* get defensive about it. So just nature of the beast. It's a much bigger deal than you think.

[@dirtmerchantlc324]

22:20 Sorry if this sounds mean but. . . If you get into a fight for your life and FORGET to use summoner spells, there is something seriously wrong with the way you are thinking in this game. They have cool downs that are 3-5 times longer than your R ability! This means they are 3-5 times MORE IMPORTANT lol. If you wouldn't forget to use your R in a fight, you surely shouldn't be forgetting to use summoner spells. . . I do know people in Iron 4 that main Kayle and constantly forget to use their R to save people or themselves. I suggest getting more familiar with the key binds and spending a LOT of time in bot matches to get comfortable piloting the characters. Good luck!

[@geli95us]

Looks like a mental stack problem to me, they are so overwhelmed that they forget to do some things, I'd argue that it's only a symptom and not a root cause, once they get comfortable piloting their character, know what all champions do, etc. their mental stack will be much more freed up and they'll stop forgetting to use abilities

[@papiertje2261]

btw he's not using smartcast, that'll make your life easier.

[@Jay-vu6ng]

People fail to understand how mobas have evolved... if you played like that guy in season 1 you wouldve been an average elo player rofl. Not bottom tier... the same happened in dota2. I remember years ago when i had like 4500mmr on dota2. I bet if i went back to it today id get stomped in 3k

[@ellisdee6069]

They all smurfing on iron , as a new player cant stand there. Do not play leuge!.

[@025Jacob]

only 13 games played, no wonder they're are still in iron. you need hundreds of games to climb to silver from that point

[@aa1greg]

Im pretty sure i could afk at wolves for 100 games and get a better than 8% winrate in iron 4, that wr requires effort

[@xavi25pt]

I disagree with taking teleport over ignite, you said it's easier for lane but I see it the other way around, because teleport it's harder to use it well and understand how to use it, I see teleport has adding complexity since it requires a better fundamental understanding of wave states and reset timers. In my experience when I was gold I tried to recreate and copy other mid layers who would take teleport, but then failed to know how to use it well, on the other hand ignite I see it as the easiest spell to use. Let me know what you think

[@krekk2751]

your disagreement is meaningless. it's wrong. don't ever give advice.

[@jaketerpening3284]

Teleport lets you basically "cheat" a reset. If you don't have a good understanding of when to reset, you can instead just farm for an amount of gold, then use the teleport to get back to lane without losing many minions. Don't try to think of it as, "do I have to use teleport here?" Just think of it as a way to make an important purchase or refresh you resources safely.

[@pilapila183]

Yeah I’m gonna trust the challenger’s advice over yours

[@Jason-jk3tn]

lol @ redditors giving advice on wave management and abusing ability cooldowns for this iron 4 player averaging 10 deaths and 4cspm

[@cjlafleur7585]

I genuinely thought you had to be trolling to be in iron, much less iron 4. Are we sure this post isn't a troll or a meme? I think you might have taken the bait.

[@omegaminoseer4539]

The main issue is that the account can be verified as Iron, as seen in the video. If the dude is trolling, then that's more of a mark of the other 9 people actually IN Iron with him. More than likely, he isn't and the post is 100% genuine. His mental is garbage. I was 50 games hardstuck in Iron before I thought I was an Iron player. Now I'm Upper Gold/Low Plat.

[@TheXxemarosaxx]

I can start a fresh account and get plat all day in like 50 games but my main decayed from plat to silver elo after 2 years of no play and it’s a nightmare on my main but fresh accounts are a joke

[@inksword6029]

hand leveled or bought accounts?

[@TheXxemarosaxx]

@@inksword6029 always level myself because I will normally spend a few bucks just to buy 1-2 champs I main

[@notieming]

I would like to see you to play 500 games on your stuck silver account and then 500 games on a new account and see how the ranks match up. That’s how you really know if it’s the account, the system or just you.

[@TheXxemarosaxx]

@@notieming no need I got my account back up to play with about 300 games. I used to stream my games D1 but I don’t play enough games for that anymore. I’m just saying it’s way harder to win games in lower elo people are that unaware of the game.

[@inksword6029]

@@notieming who has the time to do that for a game that isnt even fun

[@numbertj4730]

I'm gonna be honest. I peaked gold 1, but at no point have I ever known what every champion in the game does. I don't think a lot of challenger players fully realize how massive the number of games required for that is. You just don't see some champions, like Azir, Ryze, and Gragas often enough. Plus memorizing the new champions' abilities before they got nerfed was pretty exhausting.

[@emprahsfinest7092]

Yeah pretty much only people who play league for a living can know every champ.

[@ESGymNo2]

confirmation or survivor bias

[@gamerkev30]

Just stop playing this game, I have never hit gold playing League over years; literally any other game with ranked ladders I hit gold/platinum equivalents easily; League is rigged.

[@doesntmatter2017]

Making it a but complicated. Just give them 200 games in a month and talk about it after that

[@RocoPwnage]

Do you think it's worth doing an in-depth 30 minute review when this is someone that barely plays the game and is quite literally crying over nothing? Even the post title, "I have 8% winrate" when he had like 10 games played total is insane. It's like if someone was completely new to piano and was complaining they can't play the Moonlight Sonata after 2 days of practice. Yeah no shit you can't. The only actionable advice you can give imo is "you're being delusional, just play the game" but I'm curious what you think.

[@ricardorodriguez8497]

Well. Half of all players are silver or below. I am gonna guess, then, that this contains info relevant to more players than anything more complex considering silver mid layers still can't execute basic concepts correctly...that's why they're silver!

[@geli95us]

This video serves several purposes, it's not just for that player, anyone who is silver or below can take useful information from this. Plus, it serves as advertisement for curtis' coaching service, "here's what you can expect if you join the mla"

[@GeekEtSeduisant]

Honestly he doesnt have an Iron level from my perspective. I think he is slightly above the level of his rank, but this rank is so chaotic that the level gap is not high enough to make the difference

[@عليمولايونعمالمولى]

he might have a bad mental even though he might have bronze skills or maybe low silver

[@DannyJava]

This is false. He plays like I played when I was level 15-20 just starting to play the game in 2014 with no prior MOBA experience.

[@عليمولايونعمالمولى]

@@DannyJava but his gameplay doesn't seem to be iron 4 gameplay or iron in general, maybe it's because they made it easier to hit iron...

[@GodHandFemto]

@@عليمولايونعمالمولى It's easy to look better than you are when you're playing in as low of an elo as Iron where a lot of your mistakes go unpunished and you can look kinda okay despite doing nothing properly. Once they play against higher level enemies, like Bronze or low Silver, those kind of mistakes get punished harder and it becomes very obvious they belong in Iron.

[@lestonclark2398]

he is iron im iron and wished i was facing someone like him in lane..lol hes confusing what league is years ago like i did i didnt know why im iron because before i quit 3 years ago and came back i was a gold player now im bouncing between iron and bronze guys in iron talking about prio splitting map freezing waves its surprising actually... the players are better now so much info now, they not freezing properly but the fact they attempting it when they know they have an advantage rather than just shoving it shows how player skill in the game as a whole improved

[@xayphoo]

ngl the whole thing looks like fake and content farming this guy knows what he is doing creating a post uploading a video and it gets 26k clicks cause people wonder how tf u get iron 4 and then 1 day later he posts another video seems kinda weird to me

[@haiimcookie]

I genuinely couldn't care about the views from a single video. I was just trying to ask for help, excepting a few redditors to respond, and my post randomly blowing up. Sorry that I made a reddit post asking for help bc I was genuinely demoralized from losing like every single one of my ranked games except for 1 lmao . I've gotten a lot of help thankfully though and I feel like I'm on the right path now ❤️

[@SerVuS23]

8% wr in iron Like if youre human youre at least 50% in lowest possible rank. So bro has No monitor No keyboard No mouse No h*ands No br*in After playing this game FOR 10 years and watching some high elo players and in my masters/gm lobbies ppl are literally griefing like playing without monitor or mini map. To get diamond IN 2024 you literally jkust need keyboard, mouse and monitor xd Like its not a flame even bro has played 2 years and he wasnt even playing the game he was like i click play pick champ and i dont even know what i am playing what i am clicking and why i am doing this for 2 years. Its like being a cashier for 2 years and still cant open a cash register by himself XDD EDIT NAH I DIDNT EVEN WATCHED THE REPLAY AND BRO CANT BRE*THE AS ANNIE

[@TexasRedOutlaw]

Heya, I was d2 literally last split with 55% winrate, this split i went in and tried my absolute hardest and now I'm plat 1, 25% winrate with 60 games played The ranked system is a joke, don't take it seriously like this idiot coach tells you to, it really does not matter at all, unless you are gods given gift to the game the only thing that improves your rank is time played, to achieve diamond 2 I had to be jobless and played 600/700 games, anything but that amount of time commitment and you are up to the whims of the RNG teammate poker card game that is ranked.

[@messwithhelpy]

even iron's buy smurf/boost to leave that shit rank....the game is dead AF

[@GTGF_REAL]

There is no reality where this is legit. The guy is trolling.

[@CollectorVX]

In iron you are not learning league, you are learning how to play a real time video game on a computer. Theres no shame in that. Ppl should manage their expectations and not get defensive over whatever they think is their "skill". Also casual gamers need to get told that League is not a game where time necessarily correlates to any progress. The gameplay loop is literally 30 mins - its closer to irl "pvp" sports than to campaign shooters, mmorpgs or round based strategy

[@cccbbbaaa110]

Definite a bait post. He could afk and do nothing and still achieve 50% wr in iron 4

[@tefazDK]

I disagree. I've play it on and off (often with months long breaks), and i get to low gold pretty easily everytime. Been to platinum once. i would also have been ok in high silver. So you can absolutely play it casually. When i do play I have fun, so i wouldn't consider it time waste at all.

[@GubbiGap]

I think it depends on how long you've played overall and how long the breaks are as well. Like 2 years of on and off play isn't that long time and I don't think we don't know how long the breaks were for this person.

[@byleexs1991]

Humble bragging

[@theunwanted37]

I agree with you that you can be a casual player and not be in iron 4. But I think Coach Curtis was more saying you can't play League casually and also complain about your rank. It's like only going to the gym for a couple weeks in January each year and complaining about not being able to bench 100 pounds. Yes, some people might have that as their natural strength baseline and can do it but that ties into what Coach was saying about the gaming background. If you were complaining about being in low gold when you think you're an emerald player Coach would probably say the same thing to you as he's saying to Alexis.

[@ntap8668]

All people are diffrent, maybe you are just better at mmo games and can play it on and off for fun

[@BouncingTribbles]

The key was "improving", this person was feeling self conscious about playing casually and not improving.

[@عليمولايونعمالمولى]

talon guide please!

[@inksword6029]

dont play him mid play him jungle lol

[@عليمولايونعمالمولى]

@@inksword6029 why? his wr mid is higher and I'm a midlaner I'm not just gonna switch to jg and learn the role

[@shironeko2781]

For you to be hardstuck iron 4 with 8% wr for years you should have a hard mental or physical disability

[@shironeko2781]

Even my 7 yo nephew is silver 2

[@slapwalker]

He's not hardstuck, he only played 13 games lmao

[@videnz2664]

8% winrate just can't be real just think about it that would mean u win 8 games out of a 100 like who in the right mind believes that? aren't there even people that showed how hard it is to even get to iron 4? even if they trolled and inted the game away it's super difficult and you want to tell me u have a 8% winrate in iron 4 even tho u actually try to win? but I want to say its ok to be iron 4

[@throughtheendlessinertia1915]

A WEED EDIBLE XD

[@NightridingDoom]

I disagree with the soloq not being an on and off game. However, the point I disagree to is the timeframe. playing once every week or every other week is actually good for consistency. It allows you to experience the world and retain the information you gained much better, than straight out spamming league games every day. At one point, you will enter information overload and then confirmation bias, selective bias and all the other issues that stop you from retaining information, both good and bad, is going to get hampered. Soloq, is a lot more on and off than we would like to think.

[@karakaaa3371]

Mathematically, if smurfs are common enough then it's possible to be stuck because there are 4 vs 5 randoms which means the chance of a smurf on the opposing team is higher. I don't think this is actually the case in league but "you can always climb" is not necessarily always true.

[@Josher2-n1w]

Iron smurfs are uncommon and are typically some of the more expensive smurfs to get. This largely shouldn't prevent climbing

[@vroomzoom4206]

Smurfs aren't that common

[@adamschmidt4671]

you're assuming that the ranking system doesn't work. For an individual game, absolutely the chance of there being a smurf on the enemy team is higher, however smurf accounts very quickly get moved to align with the skill of the player, therefore we can assume that for an average game all 10 players in the game have a true skill level in line with their rank.

[@zabrac1566]

Despite the stigma regarding smurfs, League of Legends has an incredibly aggressive matchmaking system and very very quickly places smurfs in higher mmr games despite their account rank being lower. When playing through bronze and silver the amount of noticeable smurfs was astonishing low and the ones that felt like they were smurfs played more like they were low plat or mid gold, often throwing their leads and losing games despite being ahead. For me personally, it's only in plat games where I've started encountering the truly disgusting smurfs that are very clearly smurfing. I assume it's because of the very aggressive matchmaking where a smurf who plays in anything below platinum will be placed in plat mmr incredibly quickly before again being boosted up if they continue to stomp. Naturally this is all anecdotal and just my own experience.

[@minutemanfl]

"he"... This is like a female like for sure. "Alexis"

[@ZadenWoW]

The truth is that this account is simply too fucked to play on, even if this player improved by a lot and got to 52% WR the MMR is too fucked and the players hes playing with will literally be all trolls / smurfs / griefing players. He is kinda forced to make a new account imo.

[@johnkirk1772]

I have that issue...been playing league for 7 years with a 4 year break in-between and was bronze every season I played with recent demotion to iron...I dropped hard into iron 3 within a week from demoting to iron 1 and its taken months to climb back to bronze 4 with the amount of trolls & smurfs down there - my mmr is legit fucked, I lose more lp than I gain in bronze 4 but at least there aren't that many smurfs in bronze games compared to iron 3

[@dannyyous]

Yeah I played casually forever but always stuck silver to gold. On a whim decided to make a new account made it to diamond in less than a week…

[@Noctis-lg7xp]

Got the pattern of falling into bronze 4 and then climbing into silver with 70-80% win rate just to stabilise around silver 4-3 with coinflip match making. It really comes down to perspective since some players 'see' things that others do not to help them climb ig... Ik it's a me problem too but this sucks iwl.

[@jacksonmagas9698]

20 games played "gg accounts too fucked go next"

[@ZadenWoW]

@@jacksonmagas9698 bro it's iron 4 .... 0 games played its still fucked. Nobody in iron is interested in playing a real game let alone getting 10 real humans in the game 🤣

[@fluid3007]

SELL THE ACCOUNT ITS WORTH LOADS!

[@inksword6029]

i have to rant somehwere lmfao, idk why midlane feels so miserable recently, its like its toplane 2.0, its only the gross kind of mages or adcs being picked, just counterpick for days or afk brain farming lanes, it feels like playing a melee ad that isnt yone is a waste of time unless you have the ideal draft, wonder if i should just change my champion pool to champs i dont like playing at all just to be able to compete

[@daffyuser]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/m2rMo5KLe9GCerM selective memory due to confirmation bias, we subconsciously seek interpretations of reality that are favourable to us, and reject info that isn't

[@BigKadeemFan]

Bro has the dumbest takes out of nowhere all the time. You’re playing league of legends, the game where literally everyone uses multiple accounts for multiple purposes and literally no one that has played the game for a long time runs ranked on the original account they created, but it’s suspect that they play on more than one account? 💀

[@zandiskoul]

LoL is a casual game for actual gamers. This game is slow and does not require muscle memory... lmao. It is litterally 10x slower than path of exile and maybe 30x slower than startcraft 2... LMFAO😂😂

[@bagboybrown]

league is older than 98% of these clowns who play it.

[@craigferge4702]

IQ diff

[@bruhmoment6493]

Contrary to popular belief, Iron players are not actually terrible at the game. it's just that everyone else is a lot better.

[@ryanharris7891]

I'm a new player myself, I once went on a massive loss streak and dropped to Iron 2 (I was trying to learn new champion like an idiot) I swapped to my main champion and won something like 11 games straight got back to Bronze 4 before losing that win streak in the first game back in bronze haha.

[@skeley6776]

I think u misspelled Emerald lol

[@lobobanguela6349]

This particular line is pretty entertaining. "The rank system doesn't lie." Well, it sure doesn't, but it sure can and will f you up quite a bit in the matchmaking.

[@nynthes]

equally likely to fuck up the enemy too. You are the only common factor

[@lobobanguela6349]

@nynthes Yeah, and this common factor is always the top damage on every game. Yet, most times, the enemy team has more players that do similar damage while I'm generally stuck with an adc that does 9k damage on a 33 minutes game. But hey, you're right. The matchmaking system on league of legends is pure perfection.

[@nynthes]

@@lobobanguela6349 Same as i said previously, its equally likely to happen to the enemy. You are the only common factor.

[@lobobanguela6349]

@@nynthes Like I said previously, that's your take on believing the matchmaking system.

[@nynthes]

@@lobobanguela6349 What exactly do you not believe about it? Do you think they're targetting you specifically?

[@DanarkKing]

learning every champ is why this game is not for casual players. it's really a 9-5 job to play in competitive.

[@SaSo-mk6yh]

I found it fun in my younger days so it did not take that long but I understand the notion.

[@znbooorable]

Lesgooooo

[@MaraJoshWana]

People should also realise that they shouldnt even attempt ranked until like 2 years of playing solidly. Not even faker went straight to ranked.

[@ToxicCone]

real i have literally played normals on a heroic shroom dose

[@wrlck4841]

I played plat diamond jungle on LSD for 24 hours