Cobalt Point Motors on test at Chadwick Model Railway | 161.

Cobalt Point Motors come in three types. But what's the difference between, Classic Omega, IP Analog and IP Digital. Here at Chadwick Model Railway we test them out. No 161.
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[@ChadwickModelRailway]

The track-work in the fiddle yard is almost complete. Many thanks for bearing with me as this work has progressed in the background. It doesn’t make interesting content. So next time it’s track testing with various train configurations and couplings. Fingers crossed for reliability.

[@VespaT5]

Good news, I'm looking forward to seeing the layout again.

[@markstansfield4359]

Great to hear your going back to showing your layout after being nearly 6 months with out showing much. Look forward to it

[@quarryjunction-1969]

On my old layout I used the PM1 and PM2 solenoid point motors and agree they make a lot of noise. For new layout have ordered the first 6. Thanks Charlie for review sounds a much better plan

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

A good move, Jason, I’m sure you’ll be very satisfied. Regards, Charlie.

[@onnomulder9775]

Very helpful update Charlie!! Thanks for sharing! Cheers Onno.

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

You’re most welcome Onno. Regards Charlie

[@nickvellis9823]

Excellent review, Charlie. Thank you!

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

Thanks Nick, you’re most welcome. Regards Charlie

[@reconphil]

Another superb review! Your presentations are impeccible!

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

You’re too kind Phil. Regards Charlie

[@kevingreen6924]

thanks Charlie. however, i'm looking forward to getting back to the layout. and it's always a pleasure when you turn up on Friday evening.

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

You should enjoy the next video then Kevin it’s almost made especially for you! Regards Charlie

[@iansanderson2191]

Really helpful video, both for the spring removal and the review of the Cobalt motors. Thanks.

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

Thanks Ian, I’m so pleased that you found the video useful. Regards Charlie

[@willp358]

Brill as ever! Really interesting insight into the product. Thanks Charlie..

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

Thanks Will, I’m so pleased that you found it interesting.

[@marklittlejohn1457]

Excellent point motors Charlie thankyou for the tips and video

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

You’re most welcome Mark

[@gregoryhale2202]

Hi Charlie, an extremely interesting video full of easy to understand information, thanks for posting. Cheers Greg

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

I’m so pleased that you found it interesting Greg. Stay safe mate, regards Charlie

[@1BCamden]

Great review, honest and to the point

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

Thanks mate, I’m so pleased that you found it interesting. Regards Charlie

[@kitchenhamfarm]

great tutorial charlie probably get my granddaughter three years old to buy the point motors to get a proper life time warranty ...............tony

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

Now there’s a thought Tony. Regards Charlie

[@dave3301]

Thanks for Sharing, great show. Informative

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

Thanks Dave, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it mate. Regards Charlie

[@roystudds1944]

Really interesting video Charlie and some fascinating comments about the experience people have had with these products. Thanks for sharing. Roy.

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

Thanks Roy, I’m so pleased that you and many others found the video useful. Regards Charlie

[@CAPNMAC82]

Those are pretty slick bits of kit. Your description is clear and concise, too. A great video all around.

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

Thanks Captain Mac 82, regards Charlie

[@RonDennisMum]

Thank you Charlie. Love all your videos - have just ordered my first Cobalt iP point motor as a result of watching this one. Keep up the great work!

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

Thanks Ron, I do hope that it integrates well into your layout. Regards Charlie

[@jameshatfield1194]

Thanks Charlie I will have to watch that a few times for the wiring but a great video to learn from

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

Thanks James, I’m so pleased that you found it interesting mate. Regards Charlie

[@glenwood4228]

Hi Charlie, as usual a great video. When I'm ready to fit my pointsI will consider these options. I look foward to the other motor videos that has been mentioned so I am well informed. I look forward to videos in two weeks time. All the best.

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

Thanks Glen, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it. Regards Charlie

[@FBMRR]

thanks for the Demo... i do have a few of these Cobalt IP on my layout but never knew the difference.

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

I’m pleased you found it interesting mate. Regards Charlie

[@mels4796]

wonderful video

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

Thanks Mels (again)

[@mels1811]

Wonderful video

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

Thanks Mels, regards Charlie

[@markallen1951]

Great review Charlie!

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

Thanks Mark, regards Charlie

[@Kevin-mm5ix4dc7y]

Thanks Charlie, yet another excellent video and for taking the time to review and explaining why you went down the Tortoise route 👍

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

Thanks Kevin, I’m so pleased that you found it interesting mate. Regards Charlie

[@Southcoaster377]

Hi Charlie, Excellent video again - many thanks. I’m so glad you liked the iPDigital, having decided to use them on my layout.

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

Please remember David this was not a comparison between cobalts and tortoise. Just a review of cobalts. Regards Charlie

[@jeremyfullthorpe8275]

Thanks Charlie 👍 Another informative demonstration- keep up the excellent work with your “how to” videos. This has made me rethink what I am going to use for DCC point control.

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

Just getting away from solenoids is so much better.regards Charlie

[@jeremyfullthorpe8275]

@@ChadwickModelRailway Hi Charlie I have been following your channel for some time now and I wanted to ask which DC power supply you use for your DCC accessories. I know.that you are a digitrax user, however, I have decided to purchase the ESU command centre for DCC train running. In terms of accessory decoders, I believe that a you have stated on a previous video that your accessory decoders are fed of a separate Bus Wire OR Accessory Bus Wire? Am I correct in my understanding that you use a DC transformer (power supply) to achieve this? Am I correct in my understanding that you have an ‘old gauge master’ DC transformer (Power Supply) which you use to achieve this? Do you have any advice or tips regarding power supplies in this application, I believe that both Gaugemaster and DCC Concepts do manufacture Power Supply just wanted your thoughts on the matter? Best Wishes Jeremy

[@philiplimerick2794]

I purchased 12 Cobalt point motors in 2013. I,m not sure when they first came out but these were early analogue ones. I powered them with a Kent panel controls 12v supply. They started to give issues very quickly. All except one. they would go to there limit of travel and continue to click. As they failed I replaced them with Tortoise motors. I still kept the Cobalt motors, i didn't realise they had a life warranty. I was at the DCC Concepts stand at Warley 2022, I mentioned it and was told to email in. Which I did. I was asked to send them in to DCC Concepts. Which I did. 2 Days later I received 12 new motors!! That is customer service on a top level scale. I have friends who use these motors and was told they are so good and reliable. I am using these on my new layout. My sincerest thanks to Chris at DCC Concepts.

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

Yes, as you’ve discovered, those early point Motors, we’re at a poor build standard. It’s great that DCC Concepts. word. Regards, Charlie

[@StBlazeyModelWorld]

I found that to be very helpful Charlie. I shall be recommending one of those options to my client for their exhibition layout. Many thanks and, as always, take care and stay safe mate

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

Thanks Roger I’m so pleased that you found it interesting mate, stay safe buddy. Regards Charlie

[@graham33freeland59]

Very interesting video Charlie. First time I've saw a demonstration on those particular motors. Looks very flexible...I can see why more people are choosing that system...

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

Yes they are an interesting option Graham. Regards Charlie

[@srtgrayfrance]

Hi Charlie, another great video thanks. I don't model myself, but it's fun to watch others enjoy their hobby.

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

I’m so pleased that you find the channel entertaining mate. Regards Charlie

[@bobby01g]

Thanks Charlie you’re doing a fine job, looking forward to some layout video,s soon.

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

That’s the subject next time Bobby, Regards Charlie

[@jeffjones6107]

Enjoyed the video Charlie keep them coming 👍

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

Thanks Jeff, I’m so pleased that you did.

[@philbartlett7898]

As always Charlie, your easy presentation style is very useful to us. I have a few tortoises but cobalt is definitely a step up

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

I’m not too sure Phil, it was a review not a comparison. Regards Charlie

[@peterjhillier7659]

Excellent Video and Critique Charlie, those cobalt Units look just the Ticket. Thanks for sharing.

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

Any time Peter, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it mate. Regards Charlie

[@rjl110919581]

THANK YOU FOR SHARING VIDEO

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

You’re most welcome Robert. Regards Charlie

[@TheDaf95xf]

Evening Charlie. Another great review video we’ll presented 👍🏻 Hope you have a fantastic weekend and looking forward to seeing your next update on Chadwick 🤩 Cheers Stevie.

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

Thanks Stevie, enjoys yours too mate.

[@williamchurchill3174]

Thanks Charlie, great video I do agree with you that the IP analogue is the best one and it will be the perfect addition to my door sized OO tail chaser railway, as they are low profile and easy to add wires to and are very affordable and adaptive.

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

I’m so pleased that you found it interesting will. Regards Charlie

[@kevinlittlewood-tribe5443]

Hi Charlie, very interesting but am looking forward to seeing update on your layout. Thanks Kevin 👍

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

Next video is a build update if it all goes well Ian

[@donsharpe5786]

Thanks again Charlie. I am pleased that Cobalt remember that there are still us dinosaurs who l use DC. I like the fact that you can link in your signal with the point.

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

Yes an interesting advantage. Regards Charlie

[@TheSonofruss]

Hope everything is going well with your layout excited to see the second Helix finished so we can have continuous running

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

Next weeks video Will show some great progress on that front. Regards Charlie

[@derekloudon8731]

Another informative video Charlie, thanks. When I started planning my layout (I am on year 7 of a 3 year plan 😁) I did a serious survey of all types of pont motors. Being retired my funds are limited so Cobalt and Tortoise motors, although highly desirable, were not an option. Being a retired electronics engineer I am very lucky to be able to design and build various electronic gizmos for my layout. I settled for servo motors fitted to Dingo mounts driven by the ubiquitous Arduino. It works well but the downside was I spent an awful lot of time in the design phase (yes, I am a compulsive perfectionist twiddler 🤔)! I can now concentrate on the layout build --- mmm, perhaps I could just tweak that .......aaaaaaarg!!!

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

A great comment Derek, and very much appreciated. I feel your pain, regards Charlie

[@ngaugefouroaksstreetstatio6932]

Charlie, I have used 36 of these for 10 years, when Richard Johnson operated out of Perth he gave me another tip which i may use in the future. He said to avoid a train going through a point that was set against it he mentioned you could cut one side of the rail prior to the point and use one of the switches on the point motor to power that mini section. Then a train cannot travel through if the point is set against it.

[@jonathanlake6053]

Sounds like a great idea, thanks.

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

That sounds like a decent plan mate. Regards Charlie

[@alecwillis1073]

Useful tip

[@tomlawton7087]

Is this not the same as electro frog, but extended so the braking zone can stop the train before it fouls the points?

[@ChrisB-wl7ci]

@@tomlawton7087 Yes, just using one of the built in switches to power a small independent section of one side of the track prior to the point. Similar to using it for a frog but with a longer loco the point is already fouled.

[@davidspottiswoode3831]

Hi Charlie, thanks for this. I use Cobalts and I’ve learned a couple of new things I wish I’d known about some time ago! One little trick I found when inserting the armature wire is to push the sliding holder down to the bottom and it will hold it in place while you drive the screw in. 😊

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

Great advice David, many thanks.

[@Sorarse]

Very interesting to see the comparison and features of the various types. I haven't converted to DCC yet, but after research decided to go for servo style point motors. The advantages of these for me is that you can adjust the speed of operation, and you can adjust the travel end points independently. I find that this makes installation a lot easier, as it doesn't matter if you happen to mount one slightly off the centre of travel.

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

A fair point mate, and also so much cheaper. Regards Charlie

[@TATICMOOR]

Well Charlie, you have done it again with a lot of content in you film about Cobalt motors. Finishing off with a lot (x50) good points to give this film a thumbs up, LOL.

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

Thanks John, I’m so pleased that you found it interesting. Regards Charlie

[@philsrailway5910]

Hi Charlie. Anouther informative vid. Thanks for more info on the hobbie. There's so much that goes in 1 ear and out the other these days not a lot to stop it leaking.... Take care mate.... Phil

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

Thanks Phil, that’s very kind of you to say so. Regards Charlie

[@FormallyknownasE100]

Really great video. I'm between these and the mega points servo control currently with the merge mounts. I think I'll probably end up with both. I do like the ability with these to put them remote from the alpha based mimic panel. But the servos are cheaper and mega points do a nice realistic semaphore bounce. I can also use them for level crossing gates as well.

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

Good luck with which ever one you choose E100. Regards Charlie

[@bulleidboy1]

Hi Charlie - great video as usual. I have been using Cobalt iP Digitals now for about seven years and they work well. Mine are wired for both DCC and toggle switch operation (I never use the DCC switching method - it takes to long). Some Cobalts are wired to Dapol signals, and again work well. I would certainly recommend them.

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

That’s great news Barry, thanks for your input, regards Charlie

[@peterjackson-cheadleheath1182]

Hi Charlie A great little video, its interesting to read of the failure of the DCC(?) version from Bryan and others, although I think when I get round to buying point motors I think I still would choose these, just because of the range of options to work both signals and switiches off the same 'contact point' as it were. Thanks again.

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

They are certainly worth considering Peter.

[@tennesseeron1297]

Charlie: I continue to use INOX on my 3 rail O scale layout using Atlas 21st Century track with the blackened middle rail. Wonderful with a track cleaner. Great MTH DCS electrical conduction. Thanks!

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

That’s great news Ron, I’m so pleased that you found it a useful product. Regards, Charlie

[@davepoul8483]

great stuff as per Charlie.... just putting apoxy on my dcc plugs and decoders... stops wires pulling off....

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

That’s a little drastic Dave, regards Charlie

[@davepoul8483]

@@ChadwickModelRailway that could be true.. thing is i am converting about 18-20 locos to dcc from small stuff like J72 Bachmann's, to bigger Scotts, with Mainline and Hornby's as well. You have to cut away some of the chassis and isolate the motor, but you know this, and of course there are 2 or 3 types of split chassis... Hornby's are not so bad.. Any hoo it means lots of on and off and plug and unplugging. Also helps keep the wring tidy so bit of heat shrink up to the socket board then a drop of Alraldite to hold wires and helps with insulation as well and its kinda enjoyable.. i think it would be not as much fun to buy, unpack, put on track, program then watch the loco go round and round :) Am a bike mechanic by trade and fixing stuff is great..

[@fircombehallrailwayoogauge1430]

Another excellent demonstration. Comparing the cost of these against servo motors, I am satisfied with my choice of the latter. There are so many options available and what you already know is often best. 50 points Charlie! Wow! They are always a pain to fit and get working correctly - you have my sympathy sir!

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

I’m glad that you enjoyed the video even though your preference lies elsewhere. Regards Charlie

[@toots.007]

Great Video Charlie, I think you can also switch the DCC point motor using just one switch I started using this at first but I have now switched completely to computer control (Itrain). I have around 20 on my loft layout they work well. Bryn

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

Thanks Bryn, I’m pleased that you enjoyed it. Happy modelling. Regards Charlie

[@patrickhunt8644]

Hi Charlie. Another great video. My planned layout has nearly 100 point and half that number again of servo motors required for semaphore signals; no semaphores in the fiddle yard. I have gone down the ESU Switch Pilot Servo 3 route for a couple of reasons. You can add a separate AC or DC supply for the ESU unit and use the DCC input purely for control, thus saving a lot of DCC power, as well as being able to switch signal bounce mode on if controlling semaphores. In addition you can switch using DCC or switch just like the Cobalt. I did start to use ESU Switch Pilot Extension which have two relays per channel but have moved back to microswitches on the point motor module. I am using the Make It Miniature Linear Turnout Actuators which do not use a 'spring' wire but instead move a block linearly left and right directly under the point with a very short stub wire. However, another key point is cost. The Cobalt Digital comes in at £22-26 depending on the quantity purchased. The ESU and Make It Miniature combination is £16. So, a Cobalt Digital solution for my planned layout is £3,750 whilst the ESU/MIM solution costs around £2,400. Useful tip in the thread about isolating power using the spare switched output. Dead section would need to be at least the length of your longest locomotive. Look forward to seeing the track testing and how you have set up block power and block detection.

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

It sounds like you’ve made a sound decision Patrick, finances must always be brought into the equation. Hope you enjoy the next one, regards Charlie

[@briansimpson4293]

Hi Charlie, nice video, in my opinion these are the best slow action point motors on the market I have 15 IP digital point motors on my layout and all work great. I can change them thro my Dcc controller via the set address or manually using SPDT Switches they are very easy to install and set up, and no soldering required , also DCC after sales service is very good and helpful + life time gaurentee it's a no brainer.

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

Well there’s a recommendation, many thanks, regards Charlie

[@wally1022]

Great video Charlie. With the info you gave on this video I will be looking into the IP analogue against the tortoise brand and see which one is readily available here down under. Cheers

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

Please remember that it was a review not a comparison across brands.

[@kimstapleton3365]

Hi Charlie, As usual a very informative and entertaining video, please keep up the good work. One thing that you did not mention about the iPDigital motors is that they contain their own decoder, which means that you do not require the additional cost of a stationary accessory decoder like the Digitrax DS74 or DCC Concepts AD8FX. Just a thought mate. Cheers, Kim

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

A fair point Kim but I certainly mentioned the programming switch and the need to give it a digital address. Regards Charlie

[@bertbristow7172]

I bought a 6-pack of the older Classics about five years ago due to ongoing frustration with Fulgurex point motors. I fitted these about 20 years ago and must have had everyone of them apart multiple times. Most of them had the unbelievably unreliable 1950's switches replaced with mechanical electronics hobby shop items that have never failed. Now the worms are splitting so I began a rolling program of replacement. This vid would have been even more useful 5 years ago Charlie! What a pleasure it has been to install the Classics. My only issue has been the plunger cable clips can be a bit hit and miss but once in you are done. Because my panel was set up for Fulgurex, the switches are momentary DPDT so the current draw issue is not present. What it does mean is that panel indicator lights had to be rethought. I could rewire but my system works so will leave it. I have found the sticky pads are only up to the job for a couple of minutes so those screws need to go in rapidly whilst you lie awkwardly on your back, the worst part of the job. The adjustable fulcrum is an excellent idea.

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

I’m so pleased that you have achieved the satisfactory situation Burt. Point Motors have always been such a pain. Regards, Charlie.

[@bertbristow7172]

@@ChadwickModelRailway Thanks Charlie. The Fulgurex units have been the ultimate test of patience and root of much cursing. The revered long time guru of custom track building Norman Solomon endorsed them years ago and I went in boots and all. Clearly he never operated a layout that he installed them on. BTW, it still makes me smile that the first thing the well informed modeller has to do with Peco electrofrogs is rip the spring out and butcher the underside! Imagine buying a new car and being advised that changing the brake pads on arrival at home is the go? I’m a 7mm guy so that makes it necessary to remove the non prototipical “coffin” that hides the spring and replace the ugly overscale waxy plastic tie bar too. Not so much Streamline as clothes line?

[@neilcrawford8303]

I've used Cobalt IP analogue motors which I briefly powered using an H&M controller. They didn't like it with some point motors constantly oscillating. I contacted DCC Concepts and they were very helpful. They advised me that the power from a controller can have serious power fluctuations which can upset the point motor. The power fluctuations aren't visible on a volt meter, but show up on an oscilloscope. I took their advice and used a stabilised power supply (ex modem plug type power supply) and it solved the problem.

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

Great tip Neil, many thanks. Regards Charlie

[@brenthopley874]

Hi Charlie, reading through the entire thread here along with all the comments has been both interesting and informative. I've been helping a friend instal Colbalt point point motors between the main yard and the storage yard directly under it there being only 9in (225mm) between the two. So, installing them has been "challenging" for want of less appropriate words! While this would be the case for any point motor in this space, it was not so much in regards to final positioning as it was trying to connect the wires post installation to the point motors. The double sided pad (and having a handful of "spares" is very useful) made positioning relatively easy and using a template to pre-drill the screw holes worked a great for all but one of 32 screws - my bad here. What I did after point No3 was pre-connect the wires, position and fix the point motor then fed the point wiring loom (7 core lead) down to the master terminal board which came with its own challenges but that's another story. Unfortunately I had to change two wires over on one of the installed points and it took longer to do this than completely install three to four point motors. While I'm a Tortoise man myself, the Cobalt point motor does have the advantage of being smaller so will fit more conveniently into those tight locations - something to consider as I look at starting my first "home" based layout. Thanks as usual for the informative clip, but I too look forward to seeing some more work on the layout - is there really another helix? Best Regards from the other hemisphere...

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

Thanks for the very informative comment Brent. Yes there will be a second helix but next time I will reveal just how much has been going on, behind the scenes. Regards Charlie

[@davidberlanny3308]

Hi Charlie, very interesting video!! Always good to see the duet on the test bench!! Lots of great info in the comments as well. I was starting to wonder what kind of noise point changes make in real life and how quickly they move. I have a few Dublo solenoid points that one day will get put into operation. Obviously the Hornby Dublo is very dated by comparison to what you are doing. Nonetheless I find the enthusiasm for the hobby that you transmit is infectious and I always learn something. Good luck from Spain!!

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

That’s very kind of you to say so David. Stay safe mate, regards Charlie

[@dereknorth8192]

nice one charlie derek

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

Thanks Derek, I’m so pleased you found it interesting.

[@1701_FyldeFlyer]

Brilliant vid, Charlie. I contacted DCC Concepts about using IP analog or IP digital and unsurprisingly, they recommended the more expensive digital. DCC Concepts items can be obtained much cheaper from other 'reputable' model railway shops! What I liked about this vid is you made clear how to wire IP analog frog switching on a DCC layout but when accessories and point motors are dc powered. I know some people have had shorts with the frog switching because the accompanying leaflet didnt make this clear. Im torn betwen the DCC Concepts system and the Mega Points Controllers system. Basically, with DCC Concepts, the IP analog and digital handle switching, frog switching and fixing in place, all in one. With MPC, you have to buy servos, relays and board for frog switching and the fixing kit. All in all, this means there isnt much price difference between an IP analog \ digital and an MPC servo, board, relay and fixing kit etc. Essentially, DCC Concepts is built for DCC operation whereas MPC is built for DC but can have a DCC signal.

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

Interesting thoughts 1701, I remain a tortoise guy.

[@jaym2381]

I use 22AWG solid core hookup wire to connect them. You can just press it into the hole without having to work the lever with a small screwdriver.

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

Thanks Jay, regards Charlie

[@kevinmartin1065]

Great video and very useful information as ever. I have just got some of the IP version to use and all appears to be a fairly simple installation! I missed the bit about the 5 yearly inspections, that now has me worried about the lifetime guarantee I’d you don’t keep a service record🤔

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

I will seek clarification on this on Kevin.

[@richardbrighton7737]

Just jumping in here to reassure that the warranty is not conditional on the maintenance recommendation :)

[@tomlawton7087]

Charlie, is this a case for forward planning? By stripping down a (new) Cobalt, you can see where the gearbox is, and determine how easy it is to put a splash of lubricant into the gearbox. If this shows that it can be done without compromising the motor or EOT switches, then you could put a small hole to fit the specialist WD40 straw, and could add lubricant without removing and stripping down the assembly. To avoid long-term flooding, you could also have an overflow hole, to limit the excess lube. And use the correct specialist WD40; worth having a can and labelling it’s uses on the layout.

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

Taking advice from DCC Concepts., this lubrication is only advisory. You still have the lifetime warranty. It’s certainly something that I wouldn’t be doing. it’s so difficult to remove them in situ and they’re trying to re-thread the armature wire. Regards Charlie

[@tomlawton7087]

@@ChadwickModelRailway Charlie, if the holes are in the right place (by design), then you can inject the lube without removing the Cobalt.

[@jamesstuartjones2652]

Reply good l have IP points motors on my layout but didn’t know about controlling them with a switch l am going to try to install switches cheers Charlie

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

Good luck James, regards Charlie

[@vernongardner1958]

Hi Charlie, I'm building my first layout and elected to go Slow action point motors rather than solenoid and Cobalt Omega Classic. I like the fact they come pre-centred for fitting. However, I do find them quite noisy, well noisier than I was expecting although I do not have any reference of other motors. I have tried using different voltages and that seems to vary the speed and the noise, so it's worth experimenting a bit with that. Your comment about removing them for oiling is a good one. I had to remove one of the motors to do some remedial work on the point and found - the double sided pads don't like coming apart once stuch in place. Luckily I had a spare pad but you'll destroy the pad if / when you ever had to remove the motor - unless anyone knows a clever way to do it while keeping the pad in tack. Cheers....

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

An excellent point Vernon.

[@richardbrighton7737]

We have loads of spare pads ;-) ^RB DCCconcepts

[@martyn6792]

I was watching your latest video and this caught my eye, very interesting technology and the fact you can combine DCC and analogue ie have control panel control, would assume you could also use DCC to set routes on a complex layout and interlock signals etc Speaking of signals, a video on signalling would be interesting as well from a layout perspective, with different types, call on, ground etc as well as normal aspect signals

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

I know that Hattons have produced some useful videos on signals. Regards Charlie

[@christopher-2000]

awesome i use cobalt Digital point motors with levers on my model railway

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

Glad to hear of your success Christopher .

[@christopher-2000]

thank you charlie

[@davidcurrie8429]

Hi Charlie, Another interesting and informative video. This type of point motor certainly adds realistic operation but at the starting price of £17.95 it can add a massive cost to a larger layout. Regards, David.

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

I think servos are probably the best option for those operating on a budget, with the time available to fettle them properly. Regards Charlie

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

I think servos are probably the best option for those operating on a budget, with the time available to fettle them properly. Regards Charlie

[@RabidWombatz]

Awesomely to the point as usual Charlie. I have only one of these, purchased from DCC Concepts direct when I was poor, and they were in Naval Base, Perth. I’m rebuilding from scratch now and will use a range of point motors, all slow acting, and I plan to use push buttons (dcc concepts have very nice ones which include an LED). However, I wasn’t planning on using the point motor input. My understanding (I may be wrong ) is that if you use that input, the DCC system doesn’t know you’ve done it. For anything with automation it will not know that the position has changed. The solution I’m going to use for my panel is to utilise a digital input which then takes the signal and tells the matching digital address to change. I tailed it successfully on a couple of test points and will implement it fully on the new layout. If there is a better, easier way I’d love to know. DCC Train Automation provided my the basis of this approach.

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

Yes, RW, you are exactly right. It is vital that your control software is aware of the point changing. Regards Charlie

[@alanenfield984]

For what it’s worth, I have both on my layout and with simple switch controls I prefer the sound and smoothness of the tortoise. However, when I wanted to set up 6 routes into the TMD involving multiple point movements with a single push button to set a route, I couldn’t get the tortoise motors to work with a diode matrix (future video Charlie?). So I got 6 of the Cobalt Digital IP and they do work a treat. Nice that you can control them digitally to and also centre the wire if necessary all from the controller. Also no soldering of course.

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

An excellent comment Alan and most useful. Regards Charlie.

[@roba4297]

HI Charlie. With 24 hour coverage of the last 70 years (I'm 73 and saw it first in black and white) and with all due respect for a wonderful lady, I was dreading seeing an episode showing Royal Claret coaching stock. (I hope I don't get a couple of burly blokes with bulges under their armpits knocking at the door!!)

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

There’s quite enough coverage on the tele Rob. Regards Charlie

[@BillySugger1965]

Charlie, regarding not oiling your Cobalt point motors, you may well find that the lifetime guarantee depends on doing that. If I were selling items with a lifetime guarantee which required periodic maintenance, I wouldn’t be honouring that if maintenance neglect led to the failure. Just a thought there.

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

An interesting point B5375. Regards Charlie

[@doodlecoma]

as usual very informative and interesting, can i ask if you have ever done an episode explaning switches like the one you used toay, thanks,roy

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

No Roy, perhaps that might be useful material in a future video. It’s certainly something that I haven’t thought about. Regards Charlie.

[@pgcroc8484]

Hi Charlie. Regarding the removal of the spring from Peco Electrofrog points. I have been doing this for a while, (and using Tortoise point motors) I had cause to send some points back to Peco for repair and whilst chatting to a guy at Peco he said that the spring should not be removed! There are many videos out there showing the springs being removed. Makes me think about leaving the springs in on the next couple of points and see what happens. Keep up the good work. Cheers. Pete

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

That’s very interesting Pete. Could you email me with your findings? Regards Charlie

[@pgcroc8484]

@@ChadwickModelRailway Will do Charlie. May be a few weeks. Abroad at the moment. Pete

[@charlesemerson6763]

Still like a Tortoise. Been running those for 30yrs and never had a failure. I tried Cobalts when they first came out. The less said the better.

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

Interesting Charles, I certainly won’t be changing over.

[@peterrust3715]

Re:sticky pads. I agree with their retention, but l back them off to just a nip. This reduces noise.

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

Yes you make an excellent point there Peter. Regards Charlie

[@MalcolmCrabbe]

Excellent video Charlie. Mind you, 50 point motors at £22 a pop ! -That's some serious investment. I went cheap, used an Arduino Nano which plugs into my own design of daughter board to handle the 16 switches and 32 LEDs, with the points being controlled by my own tweaked 3d printed version of a linear motion servo motor. This is driven from a PCA9685 servo board all of which is documented on my channel and it will soon be fitted to the layout I'm currently building. Granted these DIY approaches lack the convenience of frog switching etc that the Colbalts and Tortoise motors offer all in one unit, but then you would expect that when spending over £1000 on a means to change all the points on a layout the size of Chadwick (hate to think how much has been spent on McKinley!!) I just want to add that I've been very impressed with your videoing skills on the recent McKinley videos, especially the ASMR videos featuring Ivana....Keep up the good work

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

I’m pleased you enjoyed the video Malcolm. My filming down at McKinley is very rewarding. I’m so pleased that you find it interesting. Regards Charlie

[@axelBr1]

I was going to say, can't you cheaply switch the electro-frog using a MOSFET, but while commenting elsewhere I saw that DCC switches the polarity of the rails, which would make the electronics quite complicated. A bunch of tiny relays should do the trick, although all costs money and more pins off your Arduino.

[@fjrsteve]

Hi Charlie, excellent review. I model in N scale and in my current layout I found that the size of the slow action motors was going to be very problematic. For example, I have a 4 track junction with crossovers at either end of a Peco double crossover. This means 4 point motors in a 2"x2" area at each end of the double crossover, or 12 motors in a 28" length for the whole junction! it was tight enough with the Peco/Seep solenoids. :) If I was modelling in a larger scale I would use servos for a more realistic change action and quietness of operation.

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

I feel your pain Steve, it’s not easy for N gauge modellers. Regards Charlie

[@alecwillis1073]

@@ChadwickModelRailway I am not an N Gauge modeller but I has a density of point work on one part my may layout and poor accessibility from under the baseboard. I mounted a couple of Cobalts away from the points and used point rodding (also from DCC) to control them. I also wonder whether adding the "horseshoe" half-loop in line with the rodding could solve some of the "accuracy" issues mentioned above i.e. set the Cobalt swing to be slight more than required and let the horse show take up the slack with the point blade hits the stock rail? I have not tried this but maybe a thought?

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

It’s certainly worth a try Alec.

[@nickhale2900]

I've just ripped all my cobalt out as I found some of them to be a tad noisy and I was never happy with the accuracy of the throw adjustment on an N gauge layout. I'm now in the process of installing servos along with MERG servo controller kits. A bit more time consuming as the kit components have to be soldered to the circuit board and a lot more wiring than a cobalt but the ability to accurately control the range and speed of throw makes all the effort worthwhile plus, of course, the cost is far less.

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

I feel your pain Nick, components suitable for N gauge are few and far between. Regards Charlie

[@netbis-marek-duda]

Nice video, thank you. To be honest, I like more your videos, when you do work on your layout. Will there be some soon? Thank you

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

Next time it’s your turn Marek. Regards Charlie

[@Rob-bl5ik]

Hi Charlie, great review of the DCC point motors, I started with these on my layout but had one fail and they are very noisy compared to the tortoise point motors.

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

Thanks Rob, which type was it? Regards Charlie

[@Rob-bl5ik]

@@ChadwickModelRailway DCC IP Digital had 12 in use for a year. With very little use, one failed it would over run and would hear the get cog jumping

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

Thanks for the feedback Rob.

[@dennisalsancak8488]

@@ChadwickModelRailway hi, just like to add. On our club layout we have tried both Tortoise and analogue Cobalt. We have found Tortoise to be more reliable, simpler to set up in that one can manually centre the motor. You need to power up the Cobalt as to try to manually move the unit it will break. We have had a number of failures of the Cobalt units and the lifetime guarantee has its limits.

[@josefbuckland]

Aww snap you beat me to it. I just started filming a video in this. I’ll scrap it and move onto building curved viaducts and the challenges that ensures not many people attempt it lol. FYI cobalt ip digital is the way I went. Stay safe

[@josefbuckland]

And you need some diffusers or some such on your overhead lights

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

Or more hair!

[@josefbuckland]

Oh another thing if you look at the cobalt pdf there are three pages about improving the peco point for this. Now I will do a video on this the advice given is beyond scaring people with the spring. I stuffed up a brand new peco point doing but the way the suspects. $50 down the drain and lesson learnt. So I get why some are super cautious.

[@josefbuckland]

@@ChadwickModelRailway lol I was going to say hat but I deleted it, seemed in appropriate. But I’m glad you took it in jest. You are an outstanding ambassador to the Hobby

[@KayDee73]

Hi Charlie. I chose Cobalt IP Analogue for my layout build and now wish I’d gone for Tortoise. The Cobalts are extremely noisy, fiddly to wire up, one was DOA and I don’t have much faith in the rest to be honest.

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

An interesting point Frank, I must confess all my installed ones are tortoise. Regards Charlie

[@Mitche01]

Good informative video Charlie, one care point I would advise, check if the life time guarantee is only up held if you follow the 5 year oil service requirement! Some companies are a stickler for that sort of caveat. Best regards, Simon.

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

I will question DCC Concepts and report back in the summer update. Regards Charlie

[@richardbrighton7737]

Just jumping in here to reassure that the warranty is not conditional on the maintenance recommendation :)

[@Mitche01]

@@richardbrighton7737 Hi Richard, thank you for the clarification. That is re-assuring and you should be commended for a true customer focused service/set of rules. Please do not think I had assumed you were doing that, just in my experience (I am an automotive senior engineer) small print can trip people up.

[@roundel52]

Great video as usual, Charlie. Pity you didn't try to install one using the sticky pad. I thought the same as you initially, but these pads are VERY sticky. I recently removed a few from an older layout (they'd been in place fot about 6 years) and whilst the screws came out easily, the pad was quite hard to remove. My new layout has replacement pads and I'm not bothering with the screws at all. Totally agree with your maintenance thoughts though. It's nice that we can maintain them, but once fitted, they're staying put. Feeding the wire through the hole after it has been cut to length in itself can be very difficult in itself.

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

Great comment John, many thanks.

[@steveedwards9957]

A solution for the activator wire would be to fit a new length and cut to size again.

[@HenrikScheel_]

I have 20+ IP model installed. Never had any issues. They do give a clean layout since they remove the need for a controller. Only downsize is they are a bit noisy.

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

Thanks Henrik, regards Charlie

[@stephenbromley2302]

I have 9 of the ip digital motors on my layout and they work great I still have about 8 Hornby surface point motors that still work fine and do the job but don’t look as pleasing sat on top of the layout in time I may change them for the ip digital.

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

I think that’s a sensible move Stephen. Regards Charlie

[@michaelh6064]

Thanks Charlie. Since starting my layout build about 12 years ago I had every intention of using Tortoise motors but was introduced to the Cobalt IP digital by my local retailer. I have since bought about 20 of them and love the fact they are DCC out of the box. I mainly control them from a JRMI PanelPro touchscreen laptop which works well and saves a lot of switch panel wiring! I have never pulled mine apart to oil them which may explain why the oldest ones are not working great. I have been planning on pulling them out and sending them off for warranty. I was curious to see if you did a cost comparison between the IP digital and your Tortoise with DCC digitrax interface?

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

An interesting comment Michael. No I was never going to do a comparison between those and tortoise at this stage. Regards Charlie

[@deeadam1649]

Brilliant video, perhaps for us oldies, could you advise alternatives to these, price versus operation, those that work with ECoS system, or similar with ability to program using eg the equivalent of an ECoS track schema. Just a thought. Love your vids.

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

I’m sorry Dee, but I don’t know how your system works. Any non-DCC point motor will need a stationary decoder of some description. Regards Charlie

[@ivovanzon164]

For anyone asking why the motor still needs power in the end positions... There are track systems that have full profile point blades that need constant pressure to keep them in position.

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

Thanks Ivo, great info. Regards Charlie

[@MickVK3ADD]

I have been using Cobalt point motors over the last 5 years and have found that the grease dries up over time and stalls the motor! Not sure if it's a current issue still but as you pointed out at 24:16 it's still in the manual.

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

It’s not something that comes up regularly Mick, but perhaps a five yearly cycle might be worthwhile. Regards, Charlie

[@paulreynolds1510]

I am helping someone to build there own dcc layout and I’ve just fitted 28 Point motors to the layout, and they’re easy and quick to fit

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

Clearly you’re having great success Paul. Regards Charlie

[@paulreynolds1510]

@@ChadwickModelRailway yep considering this is my first dip into the pool of DCC World Learning on the job, using a Z21 system

[@ianjeffery4773]

I like the idea of the IP Digital, but if they are powered from your DCC bus, then on a large layout that's a lot of power taken from your DCC feed. At least with the tortoise motors you can operate them from a separate power source.

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

That’s right Iain, ideally you would use a separate DCC power bus. Regards Charlie

[@alancope9962]

Great Video Charlie, I was going to go tortoise, but now I may re-think (Dcc of course)

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

I wouldn’t necessarily rethink it Alan, I never said that they were better. Regards Charlie

[@alancope9962]

@@ChadwickModelRailway Hahaha, ever the diplomat

[@grahamlawrance6173]

Excellent video, thank you. Points are often in pairs could you use one cobalt ip digital with the “position lever” you briefly displayed to operate both points?

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

I will get onto DCC Concepts for clarity Graham. Regards Charlie

[@EsotericArctos]

I had heard of Cobalt and wondered how they would compare to Tortoise. They seem to be a bit more economic to purchase. Thank you for an honest review. I always trust your opinion on things and I appreciate you bringing this honestly, even though they were supplied free to you. I think if you were making a new layout you could design it in a way where point maintenance could be integrated into design, kind of like point maintenance would be catered for in a real life railway. That said, I don't think it would be needed to replace oil on points. If a good oil is used from factory, it should outlast the usable life of most model railways.

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

I’m so pleased that you found interesting Brendan. However, please remember this was not a comparison between tortoise and cobalt. Regards Charlie

[@EsotericArctos]

@@ChadwickModelRailway I get it wasn't a comparison, but I can now watch it in conjunction with your earlier tortoise review and make a decision as the Cobalts are more economic 🙂

[@andrewdonald2770]

Hi Charlie thanks for a thorough review, always nice to here about function without a too much focus on the underlying technology. I can attest to the warranty provisions, I had to return one IP digital out of a batch of 12, must have slipped through QA. DCC concepts sent me a replacement as soon as they received the duff motor - and that is here in Aus. I have only ever used the Cobalt motors so I have no reference for noise. Are the cobalt motors noisier or more quiet than the Tortoise machines?

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

Great comment Andrew and much appreciated. Regards Charlie.

[@rtalbot87]

They are so big ! Surely smaller point motors are available

[@ChadwickModelRailway]

But not with such reliability and quietness. Regards Charlie